Speaker 1: Welcome to this league. I'm cutting in the world of
Speaker 1: twenty four NBA News. Just dude, you lose. Chris Haines,
Speaker 1: did go time, Mark Stein, diet show Time, Chris Haines
Speaker 1: and march Stein. This liague uncutting is underway and on fire.
Speaker 1: This should be a good one. Yes, indeed on fire
Speaker 1: tonight with this episode we got mann Stein. We got
Speaker 1: a special guest today. I mean I hit him up
Speaker 1: last minute. I hit him up because he he was
Speaker 1: just bestowed upon a great honor, a great i'll call
Speaker 1: a legendary honor, and I want to get his um.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to hear his thoughts on what it's
Speaker 1: like to be in this role that he's gonna take
Speaker 1: up on an All Star weekend Salt Lake City. It's
Speaker 1: our guy, our guy. I look, man, this my first
Speaker 1: year cover in the league. He was in the locker room,
Speaker 1: the Portland Trail Blasser's locker room, so he was I
Speaker 1: was a rookie. He was a van at that time,
Speaker 1: and now he's a rookie in his role that he's in.
Speaker 1: You're not wearing the big suits no more, though you
Speaker 1: got Taylor and nobody the other then Jay Crossover himself,
Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford, who is now a colleague of us in
Speaker 1: the media side and the colleague of mine with TNT
Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford, and he just congratulations, brother, you will be
Speaker 1: a judge for the Slam Dunk Contest this coming up weekend.
Speaker 1: Man Chris starn I couldn't believe when I was asked
Speaker 1: to be a judge because I can barely dunk. I
Speaker 1: may have ten dunks in my career. I said, y'all,
Speaker 1: sure you want me to judges contest, but I may
Speaker 1: give a fresh perspective because those guys, they can all
Speaker 1: all the other judges can do every dunk imaginable. So
Speaker 1: you know, I'm being awesome the stuff over since I'm excited. Well,
Speaker 1: you are a student of the game, an unquestioned student
Speaker 1: of the game, so I'm sure that's why you are
Speaker 1: doing it. But it's funny, Chris said, legendary honor. It's
Speaker 1: also a legendary burden. Now, I have only judged one
Speaker 1: dunk contest in my life. It was a G League
Speaker 1: dunk contest at this showcase. But you know, on your
Speaker 1: last on the Tuesday night TNT show, you and Shat
Speaker 1: kind of got into a little bit because Shack was
Speaker 1: saying miss dunks, he automatically grades down. While I think
Speaker 1: I was from the Shack school. I graded these guys
Speaker 1: so hard and people were booing me. I was like
Speaker 1: the most hated judge in the history. And this was only,
Speaker 1: you know, the G League Showcase. So all eyes are
Speaker 1: gonna be on you. Are you ready for this? You
Speaker 1: know what? It took some some arm twisting, but my son,
Speaker 1: my twelve year old son JJ and my son Eric,
Speaker 1: they were like, Dad, you gotta do this. So I said,
Speaker 1: you're right, this is legendary. I've seen so many dunk contests,
Speaker 1: from the Dominique Jordan to the Vince car in two
Speaker 1: thousand doing the Windmills to the Elbow in the Rim,
Speaker 1: to the Kobe Bryants to Jared Riders and Zach Levine
Speaker 1: Eric Gordon showdown. So I've seen so many, and I'm
Speaker 1: excited about being apartment for sure. I'm not I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'd be as hard on the on the
Speaker 1: talent as you were Stein, but I'm definitely excited. Now, Jamal,
Speaker 1: let's take me through this process right now. Man. So
Speaker 1: as we record right now, this is Wednesday night, the
Speaker 1: Slam Dunk Contest is Saturday. What is your preparation for
Speaker 1: an event like this? What are you gonna be doing
Speaker 1: to get yourself geared up and to prepare? And I
Speaker 1: want to know about like, how are you going to
Speaker 1: evaluate when it's time? Yeah, I'm I'm going back and
Speaker 1: watch some old videos obviously, and just see things that
Speaker 1: I may have missed, certain dumps, you know, because you
Speaker 1: want you want originality, you want stuff that's fresh, right,
Speaker 1: So you want to give these guys to reward them
Speaker 1: for that. I don't want to get away all the secrets,
Speaker 1: but it may be something that comes a little different
Speaker 1: that I think the fans may like as far as
Speaker 1: how the judgment's going and how things are kind of
Speaker 1: looked at. So that should be something to look out for.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not gonna be like Stein and Shock.
Speaker 1: They're from the old school. I'm from the old school,
Speaker 1: but I got a new school labor as well, So
Speaker 1: I will mix the two together and hopefully as Dumbo
Speaker 1: part comes out right. Oh look, I have serious respect
Speaker 1: for anyone who enters the contest at this point because
Speaker 1: it is it is a thankless job. Everybody wants it
Speaker 1: to be as good as Aaron Gordon versus Zach Lavine
Speaker 1: or some of the old school battles like you mentioned.
Speaker 1: Mean at my my my freshman year in high school
Speaker 1: was the year the NBA brought the Slam Dunk Contest
Speaker 1: back nineteen eighty four, Larry Nance, Doctor Jay. Like at
Speaker 1: my school, there was nothing bigger than All Stars Saturday
Speaker 1: and the Dunk Contest. It was the number for my
Speaker 1: group of friends. It was the number one night of
Speaker 1: the school year. And but at this point, we've i mean,
Speaker 1: we haven't away seen every time. I mean, it's I
Speaker 1: I feel for these guys because they're like, we want
Speaker 1: them to do things that are humanly impossible. Yes, they
Speaker 1: have to jump over like they have to bring out
Speaker 1: a mock fake uh empire state building, their space, need
Speaker 1: to jump over that for us to be like, oh
Speaker 1: that was nice, right, Like we've seen so much stuff
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's gonna be a challenge for all
Speaker 1: of them. But I'm gonna tip my hat to him,
Speaker 1: and hopefully you know, I'm not can't give any ideas
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna judge, but I'm hopefully inspired him in
Speaker 1: some ways and hopefully you know, Harold minor and Carl Blow.
Speaker 1: You saw Carl Blows coming out, so it should be especial.
Speaker 1: That's right now, Jamal. Also, for those who don't know, uh,
Speaker 1: there are four participants in this year's Slam Dunk Contest
Speaker 1: Jericho Sounds from the Knicks, Matt mcclough who just signed
Speaker 1: with the Sixers but he was in the G League,
Speaker 1: Trey Murphy the third New Orleans, and Kenyan Martin Junior
Speaker 1: with Houston. Now, since these names have surface, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, there's been some what's the word
Speaker 1: I should use, uh, people saying that they're not interesting
Speaker 1: in watching these guys play because it's not watching these
Speaker 1: guys before I should say, because it's not the big names.
Speaker 1: Have you been able to see some of these parts? Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm to be honest with you, of
Speaker 1: all the four guys, I saw some dunks from Trey
Speaker 1: Murphy and of course Kei Martin he's been dunking ever
Speaker 1: since he got in the league. But that's that's only
Speaker 1: two I'm really familiar with as far as like knowing
Speaker 1: what they're capable of doing. Like, have you seen enough
Speaker 1: of these four guys to know what they're capable of
Speaker 1: doing this. Decided, Yes, I've seen not all four. I've
Speaker 1: seen actually I believe three of the four and I
Speaker 1: haven't seen I'm gonna say who it is, but there's
Speaker 1: one I haven't seen as much, and talking to some people,
Speaker 1: he could be an early favorite. You know, so I
Speaker 1: know you, I know what you're talking about, but go ahead,
Speaker 1: up in his bag. So I'm excited about this because,
Speaker 1: like Shack said yesterday, and like signing a little to
Speaker 1: Saturday Nights everything, that's when you make your name. That's
Speaker 1: when people who don't know much about you learn about you.
Speaker 1: They learn your story. Maybe remember Kenny Skywalker. More people
Speaker 1: start and Deep Brown pucked up his shoes and more
Speaker 1: people start their story and their journey after those. Aaron
Speaker 1: Stansbury in Indiana, we wouldn't have even have known him
Speaker 1: as an NBA player in those days, but he was
Speaker 1: a dunk contest fixture. Was it the Statue of Liberty
Speaker 1: with dunk? Did he have? He had one of those,
Speaker 1: one of those dunks that were ye time. So he
Speaker 1: always learned about those guys and even the guys that
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want it. You learned when Doug West was
Speaker 1: in it before and guys like that. So I'm excited
Speaker 1: about it. Like I said, it's an unbelievable honor. Unbelievable
Speaker 1: you ever judge, if you ever judged the dunk contest
Speaker 1: at any at any level. No, Stein, I actually reft.
Speaker 1: I think my lashing the league, I reft to practice.
Speaker 1: I wanted to kill those guys. They were complaining so much.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm never doing as kids. Yeah, I'm in
Speaker 1: the hot seat. I'm in the hot seat now, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. So you you mentioned earlier, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a little mixture of new school old school what you're judging.
Speaker 1: You can't come in save. You can't come in Sawve
Speaker 1: because people know you to be in a nice guy.
Speaker 1: I'm in guys, but when it comes to basketball or
Speaker 1: anything related with that, I take it serious. Now I'm
Speaker 1: not coming in, but I'm not coming in with the
Speaker 1: iron fifty either. It's gonna be somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 1: But it all depends. The dunk can be something like yo,
Speaker 1: I know how difficult that is as well, so it
Speaker 1: mail get a higher score. But my question is gonna
Speaker 1: be if somebody misses eight dunks a lot. Nate Robertson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: am I gonna give him that that that love on
Speaker 1: that knife dunker. I'm gonna say, you know what, we've
Speaker 1: seen it eight times you should have made at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are the dunks that like, it's a fifty dunk,
Speaker 1: but it took you five, six, seven attempts to get
Speaker 1: to it. And then everybody knows the dunk you're trying
Speaker 1: to execute already, you know what I mean, Like, there's
Speaker 1: no there's nothing to Yeah, there's nothing to the imagination
Speaker 1: at that point. So that's that's what I was like,
Speaker 1: And that's that's what And I wish that all judges,
Speaker 1: and I guess that's the unique thing about it. I
Speaker 1: wish all judges could be on the same page and
Speaker 1: judge that way. Like if you if all you guys say, okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to duck points for missing or four ducks
Speaker 1: in the road before before you start exactly, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody be on the same page. But I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like that. But yeah, and then Jamal,
Speaker 1: are you going so you just knowing? I know you
Speaker 1: don't know everything right now, but some of these dunks,
Speaker 1: you really have to look at the replay before you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to see everything they did right, Yeah, and I man
Speaker 1: missed something, so you're absolutely right. I'm gonna look at
Speaker 1: the replay. But I'm telling you I'm gonna be I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be firm but fair. I'na be firm over Shack
Speaker 1: slash Steine. I feel like Stein's leading towards Shack on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, I don't. It's not often that
Speaker 1: I agree with the big man, but on this one, Like,
Speaker 1: to me, if you the minute you miss one dunk,
Speaker 1: like you've lost me. And it's pretty ironic for someone
Speaker 1: five nine to say that, who couldn't dunk without a ladder?
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm sorry, Like, if you try to dunk,
Speaker 1: I expect you to make it right. I agree, I
Speaker 1: agree so them all. There's again, there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of pushback on the dunk contest, people saying, man, maybe
Speaker 1: they should go through a hiatus because the big players,
Speaker 1: the big stars, aren't participating. And these are guys that
Speaker 1: most you know, most NBA fans probably wouldn't know about.
Speaker 1: What's your taking? When did you start seeing the trend?
Speaker 1: Because you were playing, when you saw the trend of
Speaker 1: stars participating to non stars participate, and do you think
Speaker 1: the dunk contest can be rejuvenated. I think for these
Speaker 1: guys and everybody coming afterwards. I feel like this is
Speaker 1: opportunity because people are already going into it, like Yellow
Speaker 1: Dunk Contest. It is missing some stars, it's missing a
Speaker 1: little bit of that flavor. This is an opportunity to
Speaker 1: bring it back. I felt like it was heading that way,
Speaker 1: and then you had guys like Zach Lavin and Eric
Speaker 1: Gordon have that classic showdown where people are interested in
Speaker 1: the dunk contests again. You know, the opportunity for these guys.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at it going into it positively, Like
Speaker 1: you know what, you guys have an opportunity to bring
Speaker 1: this back because it's kind of been frowned upon a
Speaker 1: little bit for a while as soon as the stars
Speaker 1: stopped being in Like imagine Lebron and Kobe and these
Speaker 1: guys at their peak, the peak of their power is
Speaker 1: getting these dunk contests, and that that right there alone
Speaker 1: brings a whole nother fan base. It kind of brings
Speaker 1: the world to watch it. So you know, we don't
Speaker 1: have that right now at the moment, so we have
Speaker 1: to do it. Collectively. I mean, you understand the player
Speaker 1: mentality much better than we ever will, so you know,
Speaker 1: just give me your honest take here. I always thought
Speaker 1: there are so many sponsors in this league. If somebody
Speaker 1: put a real a million dollars winner, take off to
Speaker 1: whatever the number is. But just if somebody put a
Speaker 1: crazy number for the dunk contest, would not work. Maybe
Speaker 1: not for Lebron, but wouldn't wouldn't not get stars to
Speaker 1: do it if it was just a seven figure prize.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. But now the way the money's going,
Speaker 1: I don't even know. If a million will say ten million,
Speaker 1: ten million dollars, everybody out there. I mean, you'll have
Speaker 1: everybody out there at that point. If you go five
Speaker 1: ten million dollars for dunk contests, you have guys who
Speaker 1: ain't dunk in years coming out of retirement and try
Speaker 1: and get that. I think that's what needs to happen.
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. They have to kind of
Speaker 1: up it, and if we get sponsors in it and
Speaker 1: then the dunk contest to be at its peak. How
Speaker 1: many times did you participate in the three point contests? None?
Speaker 1: I actually got invited that right, Yeah? None, I got
Speaker 1: invited one time, and I actually got invited for the
Speaker 1: Skills Challenge as well. But I said, if I make
Speaker 1: an All Star game, I'll do everything. But I would
Speaker 1: have gotten dunk contest. I can't even dunk. I had
Speaker 1: two dunks and pulled up lane. But I wanted to go.
Speaker 1: I want to have a reason to go, you know,
Speaker 1: and not just go to do the other stuff. So
Speaker 1: this is my first off ever. Are you so you've
Speaker 1: never been to an All Star Weekend ever? I always
Speaker 1: promised myself I would never go just a party, so
Speaker 1: this is my first one. Wow, I didn't know that, Joe.
Speaker 1: How is it being on the media side of the fence.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you since you've kind of launched into
Speaker 1: all this stuff. All When I hear the name Jamal Crawford,
Speaker 1: I think of two things. He loves blackberries as much
Speaker 1: as me. Even though I got to give him some
Speaker 1: grief for finally giving him putting his aside, thank God,
Speaker 1: and he On Dirk Navitsky's final home game, Jamal Crawford
Speaker 1: sash add and threw up a fifty burger. In Dirk's
Speaker 1: last game, man eyes on me. I had to go
Speaker 1: out with a bang. The funny party is. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that was gonna be in Dirk's last game. That
Speaker 1: was it was. It was believe. I remember having Chris
Speaker 1: come on back with us, Man, I didn't know you
Speaker 1: thought will be You thought it would be one persons
Speaker 1: last game. Both be all hey, I said, were all
Speaker 1: here for burp? They said, oh, we hed for dirt
Speaker 1: in you But no, it was unbelievable. I had ball boys,
Speaker 1: don't get the cameras in my phone out the locker room.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to to take that in because the
Speaker 1: city that day was so electric. It was like they
Speaker 1: knew and they wanted to thank him, And it was
Speaker 1: like even waking up for shoot around, the city was electric.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. And to have that kind of
Speaker 1: game and have Dirk win, I would have no other
Speaker 1: way with him winning that particular game, but having that
Speaker 1: kind of imprint in the game and him mentioning me
Speaker 1: in the speech, and he gave me a jersey that night,
Speaker 1: like it was the perfect send off for both of us.
Speaker 1: What did he say to you after? Do you remember
Speaker 1: he said on the mic? He said, yeah, Jamal trying
Speaker 1: to steal my shoulder night like he tried to steal
Speaker 1: my should to night and I kind of and the
Speaker 1: fans star booing. I kind of grabbed a towel and
Speaker 1: covering my face and laugh. It was all fun. It
Speaker 1: was it was really cool. And on the jersey put
Speaker 1: to Jay Smooth, which is really cool. So he's he's
Speaker 1: unbelievable guy. He doesn't get talked about enough for being
Speaker 1: as great as he was as a player. So it's okay, though,
Speaker 1: if we call you a media member, now you're good
Speaker 1: with that? Uh media member? Forever slash forever Hooper. I
Speaker 1: think I'm so I'm wearing between, but I'm to ask
Speaker 1: you a question. I'm gonna joining it. I love talking
Speaker 1: the game. I was doing this anyway. It's amazing that
Speaker 1: I have this kind of platform now because I was
Speaker 1: just the same thing I've been doing forever. I feel
Speaker 1: like I can talk the game with anybody, and now
Speaker 1: that I'm coaching kids, I find different ways to communicate it.
Speaker 1: So I think everybody can kind of understand where I'm
Speaker 1: coming from and kind of get a point across. And
Speaker 1: they're searing me for the first time. I didn't talk
Speaker 1: so much when I was playing. I try to let
Speaker 1: my players are talking and go home. But now you know,
Speaker 1: I'm talking a lot and I'm enjoying it. A lot
Speaker 1: of people don't understand. For those that don't know Jamal Crawford,
Speaker 1: you can catch them on a Tuesday night NBA games
Speaker 1: on Inside the NBA with TNT crew if Adam Left, Coo, Chemist,
Speaker 1: Parker Shot and Jamal Jamal. So tell me about the
Speaker 1: chemistry you guys are forming, because the show is getting
Speaker 1: better and better and I can see you. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked, you know, early, only your first couple of hits,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was just telling you what I
Speaker 1: what I like seeing about you, and then I think
Speaker 1: you're bringing it to a just a whole new light. Man.
Speaker 1: I think people obviously respect your basketball nots, but one
Speaker 1: thing I think a lot of people didn't know was
Speaker 1: your personality. Like you had a personality. So can you
Speaker 1: just tell me about like how you've adjusted with that
Speaker 1: crew and what you guys are ultimately trying to do. Honestly,
Speaker 1: that was the biggest adjustment because, like you said that
Speaker 1: that particular show, it's basketball, but you want to laugh
Speaker 1: too while you're watching it, right, That's what we all watched,
Speaker 1: Chuck and Ernie and Shack and and Kenny. So I'm like, okay.
Speaker 1: The first show, I was like, okay, I'm a little
Speaker 1: too stiff, like just talk like you're at home, like
Speaker 1: and I call it mixtape mall. That's my podcast, mall.
Speaker 1: And I'm just I did fat to make that adjustment.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, okay, Like we know the basketball stuff,
Speaker 1: but now we're learning about who he is because he
Speaker 1: didn't talk much when he played. And it's just me
Speaker 1: every day. I'm not acting or anything, but in the back,
Speaker 1: you know, we're playing music. Me and Shack are having
Speaker 1: a versus. He killed me last night, by the way,
Speaker 1: but we have first time, but we're having like a
Speaker 1: versus and all those of the things that chemistry off
Speaker 1: the court, so to speak, you can start to see
Speaker 1: it on screen, and I think that's so important. Like
Speaker 1: I'm sitting next to Chemis Parker. Kennis Parker is like
Speaker 1: one of the best players period, man or women. And
Speaker 1: I'm still such a fan of the game, Like, man,
Speaker 1: that's Kennis Parker and left Coo, who's a star in
Speaker 1: his own right right, and then shack Is speaks for itself.
Speaker 1: So it took me a second to kind of get
Speaker 1: over that part and say, yo, these are just friends,
Speaker 1: were talking hoop, and then that chemistry starts to flow
Speaker 1: and everything you start seeing behind the scenes is now
Speaker 1: coming out on the screen. Oh no, real quick versus.
Speaker 1: You guys are freestyling. Oh no, no, we're playing music
Speaker 1: like we'll pick up okay, Like yes, it was nineties
Speaker 1: hip hop. So we're going and we have everybody's in
Speaker 1: the room judging, and it just it makes it a
Speaker 1: free flowing type atmosphere. And that like now I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's your shack's my homie, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that's my friend versus and that shoul Quille O'Neill so
Speaker 1: much better with that chemistry. That's dope. So I gotta
Speaker 1: ask you a Tuesday night, there was an epic moment.
Speaker 1: What was the studio reaction when this happened? Kauai? You
Speaker 1: got the West the conference being so statned and a
Speaker 1: win can get you up in the standings dramatically, So
Speaker 1: why is it so important to get on a good
Speaker 1: rhythm these next couple of weeks? Like you said, the
Speaker 1: West records are so close together, so you know, any
Speaker 1: win matters, and we just gotta keep getting better ourselves. Though, Kawi,
Speaker 1: I appreciate your excitement. Man, thank you. Back to you guys.
Speaker 1: We knew Chris had that TNT blood because it was
Speaker 1: so dead painted, so funny. Everybody started cracking up laughing,
Speaker 1: and it was funny because Left was like, man, Chris
Speaker 1: is such a pro because getting quire to be excited
Speaker 1: about anything, it's something in itself. So it was really
Speaker 1: good and it came off really good. We all start
Speaker 1: laughing for sure. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about that. No, that was Kauai. That's a tough
Speaker 1: interview because his answers were so short. Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 1: have that next question, like right, but yeah, but Chris,
Speaker 1: Chris is taking pictures with cool I mean, he's interview
Speaker 1: with Kawhi. He's taking pictures with Kelly Rowland talking about
Speaker 1: I know what y'all did on Valentine's Day. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's right, right, Don't don't disrespect ball, don't disrespect because
Speaker 1: I saw I waited. I let the whole dolls that
Speaker 1: Time's Day play out. I saw everybody posting pictures of
Speaker 1: the couples their relationship. I let it play out. I
Speaker 1: had that Kelly Roland already in the in the bad
Speaker 1: and I wanna wait till the next morning him with that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you knew everybody's putting all their best stuff out of
Speaker 1: that day. You said, yeah, I'm gonna have my Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: food the next day while y'all well. I was so
Speaker 1: excited when Chris told me we were gonna have you
Speaker 1: on because actually Tuesday night. And this is the highest
Speaker 1: compliment that you can pay to an analyst. And when
Speaker 1: a writer does it, like when a writer writes something
Speaker 1: that I would say, Man, I wish I wrote that.
Speaker 1: That's like the highest compliment you can pay to a writer.
Speaker 1: And now I'm gonna give it to you as an analyst.
Speaker 1: You said health is the best defense that the Phoenix
Speaker 1: Suns will see for the rest of the season. I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, I wish I said that on TV.
Speaker 1: That's good. So are you You are that confident that
Speaker 1: the new Phoenix Suns with Durant joining Devin Book or
Speaker 1: Chris Paul DeAndre Aiden, You're that confident that health is
Speaker 1: the only thing that can stop these guys. I need
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. First off, you're a legend
Speaker 1: and everybody in the business knows it. But to be
Speaker 1: honest with you. So that's the ultimate compliment. But to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, that's what I believe with them, Like,
Speaker 1: they won't need the transition time. A lot of teams
Speaker 1: will like, yeah, these next twenty games that win games
Speaker 1: or lose games, I'll figure it out. But with Durant
Speaker 1: already being a finals MVP two times over, with Chris
Speaker 1: and Devin already going to the finals, DeAndre aiden as well,
Speaker 1: they'll figure it out. In any discrepancies, arguments, things they'll have.
Speaker 1: I know all three of them, I played with two
Speaker 1: of the three. Their basketball knowledge, how much they love
Speaker 1: the game, will win out, so the argument will never
Speaker 1: be a bad even don't see eye to eye, their
Speaker 1: love for the game, their love for the sport, and
Speaker 1: their love for winning will actually went out no matter
Speaker 1: what they come across. So I think health is the
Speaker 1: only real defense against those guys. Think about it in
Speaker 1: the playoffs especially, I mean, obviously people frown up on
Speaker 1: the mid range. You have three mid range specialists like
Speaker 1: that are going to be getting those shots over and
Speaker 1: over and over again, and they make them at the
Speaker 1: highest level. Like the playoffs, opposite teams know they're played.
Speaker 1: The opposing teams better. It's played just as bell as
Speaker 1: they do. Right. So now you have three guys who
Speaker 1: can create a mismatch, create a look. And like I
Speaker 1: said last night, yeah they lost some defense. That's that's obvious,
Speaker 1: but it won't be about them stopping guys all game.
Speaker 1: Can you get timely stops? Can you go the next
Speaker 1: five minutes getting you know, six seven, eight straight stops
Speaker 1: because you'll you'll do what you need to do on offense.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think health's their only opponents. No,
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree with you right there. I think
Speaker 1: health right, if they're healthy, to me, they're a team
Speaker 1: to be And I told you a mind that um
Speaker 1: last night when I run across from at the Lakers
Speaker 1: Clippers game last night, that I did and he disagreed,
Speaker 1: and you know, respectfully. So he believes that. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: believes it should go through them when they're healthy because
Speaker 1: they know their selves and you know, and more power
Speaker 1: to them. But I just think Phoenix is not done.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to keep continue to add something.
Speaker 1: Jamal Stein, I gotta tell you, I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: story to tell you real quick. Something that happened to
Speaker 1: me as it pertains the All Star Weekend. I kind
Speaker 1: of told Stein over the phone. I didn't tell them
Speaker 1: what happened, but I told him I'm gonna reveal it
Speaker 1: on this pod. So you guys let me know what
Speaker 1: you think. So this is your first All Star Weekend, Jamal,
Speaker 1: hopefully it won't be your last. But every All Star Weekend,
Speaker 1: our brother Kenny Smith has a party. Usually it's a
Speaker 1: Friday night party. Always have big rap artists come through perform.
Speaker 1: He's given away, you know, expensive gifts like the who's
Speaker 1: who are people? They come to this event? It's are
Speaker 1: you putting pressure on me? Disclaimer? Here are you? You
Speaker 1: gotta come? You gotta come, I gotta come. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you get something away, but go ahead. I'm sorry. Okay,
Speaker 1: So whatever, So I didn't you know, that's what I
Speaker 1: look forward to, but I didn't get it. Invite, I
Speaker 1: didn't get anything innat email, I didn't get a phone called, nothing.
Speaker 1: So yesterday I text Kenny because I said, hey, Kenny,
Speaker 1: are you having your your event this time around? And
Speaker 1: then he immediately calls me back. So he calls me.
Speaker 1: I pick up. He said, hey, man, Hey, he said, hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm having Hey I'm having my event. Man, we're back
Speaker 1: back when we back, we're doing it. And he was like, um,
Speaker 1: so you didn't get the memo, you didn't get them
Speaker 1: the email or anything. Nobody reached out to you. I'm like, nah, Knny,
Speaker 1: nobody reached out. He's like, okay, well somebody should have
Speaker 1: reached out. He said, because this year we're incorporating a
Speaker 1: poker tournament. And I'm like okay. He was like, an
Speaker 1: it's a celebrity poker tournament and I want you in it.
Speaker 1: I was like what I'm talking like what you won't
Speaker 1: be And I'm thinking this in my head, like yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They want me in it.
Speaker 1: I'm like okay. He started throwing out names, say Adam
Speaker 1: Sandler is gonna be in there. He named some other
Speaker 1: people I've forgotten. I was like, damn. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Kenny, if you need me, man, I'm there.
Speaker 1: If you need me, I'm there. And so he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, cool, call my boy. He gave me
Speaker 1: his boys never called my boy. Tell me in You're good,
Speaker 1: all right. The problem is I've never played poker before
Speaker 1: in my life. I have I have no clue for
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. So I've arranged when I get when
Speaker 1: I'm done with this pod, my neighbors are coming over
Speaker 1: and they're gonna get me a quick tutorial poker. We
Speaker 1: got an hour slot tonight. I'm getting pizza and wings
Speaker 1: and they're gonna try to teach me how. Jamal Stein,
Speaker 1: I couldn't say I couldn't say no. He asked me
Speaker 1: to come be a part of his celebrity poker tournament.
Speaker 1: He threw big games out there. You asked it and
Speaker 1: didn't know what you were asking. I was maybe maybe
Speaker 1: he knew you, maybe he knew you never played. And
Speaker 1: they just want to take all your money. They want
Speaker 1: to Now you got all that TNT money, they want
Speaker 1: to take it. Listen, this is the thing. I just
Speaker 1: want to know how to move in the game. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't need to be the best, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to be putting the card down. That's that
Speaker 1: that can't be playing, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I just want to know the basics right now. Don't
Speaker 1: don't forget to practice your poker face too, Like that's
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. So so wait a second, though,
Speaker 1: in all your trips to when you go to Vegas?
Speaker 1: Do you play anything black anything every year? The only
Speaker 1: thing closest to Gambler that I've ever participated in would
Speaker 1: probably blackjacks. I don't do cars. I don't never have.
Speaker 1: Don't do dice either. I lost the car shooting dice.
Speaker 1: What would Michael Jordan don't do that either. Maybe you can,
Speaker 1: just maybe you could just sneak in and kind of
Speaker 1: fade to the background, and maybe you can. You can,
Speaker 1: because I gotta be honest. I don't learning poker in
Speaker 1: one hour that I'm not the Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Can I at least learn the basics because I just
Speaker 1: want to blend in? I don't. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: want to dominate. That's not gonna happen. Can I just
Speaker 1: blend in and act like I know what I'm doing
Speaker 1: that hour? That hour you better be locked in, don't
Speaker 1: don't wings until that that that hour's over with, and
Speaker 1: then see if you can go thirty extra man, just
Speaker 1: to test yourself, because just blend, don't embarrass yourself, and
Speaker 1: don't lose all your I see with this with this
Speaker 1: pod being released before the poker tournament, now, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure everybody's gonna be asking to set my table. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fresh meat. Why I wouldn't there? Yeah, well listen if
Speaker 1: i'm if I'm eliminated early, hey, I don't lose money.
Speaker 1: And Katy didn't getting the details. He didn't get the details.
Speaker 1: He didn't tell me if it's a buy in or
Speaker 1: how muddy take or maybe maybe on Twitter you'll get
Speaker 1: some poker coaches who actually want to help you even
Speaker 1: more so you can prep even more before you do it.
Speaker 1: I'll take it off, huh. Never. Never. I'm not a
Speaker 1: card I'm not a brilliant card guy. Man. I threw
Speaker 1: some dominoes through some bones. You know, no, none of that,
Speaker 1: none of that, none of that. It's all a familiar territory. Man.
Speaker 1: But I'm going tomorrow. He picked me to be a
Speaker 1: part of the celebrity poker tournament. Well you found him.
Speaker 1: And then he just said, okay, you're looking for me.
Speaker 1: You found me. Yeah, get that money. You better be careful.
Speaker 1: Just expect just expensive. Whatever you lose, just expensive. I'my
Speaker 1: dinner dinner with dinner with Kenny. I'm try Yes, one
Speaker 1: last thing, one last thing I want to tell you
Speaker 1: real quick. I'm at the Lakers. Um, excuse me, Clippers
Speaker 1: Warriors game last night, and Q Tips is approaching me.
Speaker 1: Never met Q tip in my life, but you know,
Speaker 1: he's a genius hip hop genius man. What man, He's
Speaker 1: just hip hop genius man whatever. And so I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward because he's approaching me. So he comes over, he
Speaker 1: approaches me, and I stopped him, and he asked he's
Speaker 1: with a crew. He's like, somebody's behind him, but I
Speaker 1: don't really know who that is, but he's with a crew,
Speaker 1: and so I stop him and we're talking, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: much love, blah blah blah. He's showing me love back whatever.
Speaker 1: And so there's a guy that's waiting right behind him,
Speaker 1: and I'm not even paying him no mind. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm stopping q tip and the guys kind
Speaker 1: of waiting for me to stop with q tips so
Speaker 1: they can continue on their path. But this is qute Tip.
Speaker 1: I'm chopping up with q tips. And so anyway, Q
Speaker 1: Tip Leeds, we finished our greeting. Q Tip Leeds. Reggie
Speaker 1: Miller sees q Tip, gives him pound, talks to him,
Speaker 1: and then the guy behind him Regie Miller, Lyell's Leonardo Leonardo.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Leonardo, he had a mask on, he took
Speaker 1: his mask off. It was Leonardo DiCaprio. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I understood Leonardo up. But you know, I'm like, disrespectful. M.
Speaker 1: I disrespectful, m. I. If this is the kind of
Speaker 1: luck you have, don't go to that poker game to you.
Speaker 1: Miss Leonardo DiCaprio. I missed Leonardo DiCaprio, man right there,
Speaker 1: right there. So after I felt like, damn, I feel man.
Speaker 1: I just felt like a straight man. What did missus
Speaker 1: Haynes stay when you told her that story? Well, she wasn't.
Speaker 1: She didn't have a problem with that. She had a
Speaker 1: problem with the Kelly Roland I posted in Kelly Roland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the problem. That was a problem. Chris is walking
Speaker 1: around this dude rag too tighty sales, brainy sale. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: That was the problems. Yea. She was like, I don't
Speaker 1: care about the picture, but you're putting out there like
Speaker 1: that's really your valetipe. And so I'm like, hey, you
Speaker 1: gotta give me a pass on That one made me.
Speaker 1: Y'all was still good because I didn't know what Chris
Speaker 1: was doing with that one. It's something people. You gotta
Speaker 1: get pass. Come on, let me live by fantasy out.
Speaker 1: Come on. Now, that's Kelly Roland. It's better than my wife.
Speaker 1: She was on TNT last night taking shots at my phone.
Speaker 1: Hoster we saw saw everywhere said that gold. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. That was gold. You got lit up?
Speaker 1: You got lit up? I did. I said, you're lucky.
Speaker 1: You already got about the gift because I swear it's
Speaker 1: been candy and flowers. It wouldn't have been no, but everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody got lit up, man, everybody, everybody. I was all right,
Speaker 1: y'all doing a good job. Jamal, I'm proud of you. Man.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta throw one more player mentality question
Speaker 1: at him, because because I think this is a huge
Speaker 1: part of All Star weekend, I think I will not
Speaker 1: be there. But what I am looking forward to, probably
Speaker 1: more than anything, is the captain's pick. Because from the
Speaker 1: minute we had captains in the All Star Game, I
Speaker 1: was screaming from the rooftops, please let the captains just
Speaker 1: pick these guys at the game. Let's make it like
Speaker 1: a real pickup game. Now, I don't know that it's
Speaker 1: gonna be that good. We still don't know all the details.
Speaker 1: We still don't know if is it really gonna be
Speaker 1: two captains and twenty two other guys. They're like, I
Speaker 1: find that hard to believe, But I want to ask
Speaker 1: you because again, you can you know the NBA player
Speaker 1: mentality far better than I ever will. If you were
Speaker 1: picked last or in the close to last ballpark in
Speaker 1: front of everybody, is that harder to stomach than an
Speaker 1: outsider like me would believe? Yes, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: Because put it this way Stein, if we were in
Speaker 1: a gym and it was nobody there, no cameras there,
Speaker 1: it was just those people there and a couple of
Speaker 1: other people their boys, whatever, and they had to pick,
Speaker 1: and somebody who was picked last, it would feel weird.
Speaker 1: It would feel awkward. Then with the whole world watching
Speaker 1: and you're the last pick, you're immediately you do one
Speaker 1: or two things. There's knowing between you immediately say or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you're embarrassed and you kind of go that way
Speaker 1: and shot away from like man, everybody watched it, Or
Speaker 1: you say I'm about to kick some you know what
Speaker 1: on this TV in front of everybody because you're not
Speaker 1: how dare you picked me? Last, like you have the
Speaker 1: inner competitor in you. It's like, no, no, I'm about
Speaker 1: to steal the show, and you come right out as
Speaker 1: soon as you get in the game whenever that is,
Speaker 1: and you're going at everybody. So if they were so,
Speaker 1: if we did it the way media people like me
Speaker 1: want to do it, two captains and twenty you guys,
Speaker 1: it would legit be disrespectful for the last two guys picked.
Speaker 1: Don you know what? It would almost make it looked
Speaker 1: like those competitive All Star games we yearned for the
Speaker 1: ninety eight game when it was Jordan Kobe, the games
Speaker 1: where iverson those guys went at Kobe and those guys
Speaker 1: like it would be that competitive fire right from the start.
Speaker 1: That would be I hope his fingers crosses like that,
Speaker 1: because that's what we all want to see. That, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's just to me, it's like if you're the
Speaker 1: last pick but in the game with the twenty four
Speaker 1: best players in the world, Like, is that really a
Speaker 1: slap in the face. But I guess what you're saying
Speaker 1: is it is that's and that's what I always that's
Speaker 1: what I always worried about them going to this picking
Speaker 1: selection because with social media, you know players and not
Speaker 1: just players, but everybody's sensitive to social media. Now, so
Speaker 1: you being that last person pick and and the camera
Speaker 1: possibly zooming in to that person's facial expressions when they
Speaker 1: realize that they're going to be the last guy selected.
Speaker 1: It's like it's good TV. But at the same time, like,
Speaker 1: these are all All Stars. And my concern was, I
Speaker 1: don't think even the twenty fourth All Stars should feel
Speaker 1: bad about being it, or he's an All Star, but
Speaker 1: in this selection standpoint, it puts you in tears, and
Speaker 1: so that was my concern. You're talking logically, you're right,
Speaker 1: big picture, you're an All Star, but not one of
Speaker 1: those All Stars are walking around before the selection saying
Speaker 1: I'm twenty fourth All Star. Just like when the guys
Speaker 1: are replacement an All Star, he's when he comes home
Speaker 1: after that weekend, he's not saying, yeah, I was there
Speaker 1: playing man, I'm an All Star. So they're gonna stick
Speaker 1: out their chest and that prize is gonna kick in.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the big picture, you're all an All Star?
Speaker 1: Are you want the twenty four best players in the world.
Speaker 1: But right now, this is how this guy feels about
Speaker 1: you know, I always say you're as good or bad
Speaker 1: as your peers sneaky or how they view you. So
Speaker 1: if they view you like that, you better come with
Speaker 1: that fire. And I think it can give the All
Speaker 1: Star Game of Joel right from the start. Yeah. See
Speaker 1: that's why again we don't know the exact I mean
Speaker 1: maybe you guys do because you guys, you guys get
Speaker 1: access to the TNT script. It's just like you said,
Speaker 1: just like that, just like a true pickup game with
Speaker 1: reversible jerseys and all twenty four guys are out there
Speaker 1: would be and just incredible. But something tells me, in
Speaker 1: my gut, we're not like we're gonna have the two
Speaker 1: captains on the court with Ernie or whatever. But something
Speaker 1: tells me it's not gonna be. It's not gonna be.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be a replicating, replicating a playground scene.
Speaker 1: I wish it was. I think that would bring more
Speaker 1: people in it, like you need that. Like everything nowadays
Speaker 1: is too protected. People guys are checking their brand, they're
Speaker 1: protecting this or protecting that. Like that's what Nathan All
Speaker 1: Star Game what it was because it was the best
Speaker 1: players in the world playing at the highest level, and
Speaker 1: that's when they got a chance to separate themselves. So
Speaker 1: I'm really the best. That's what David Stern, remember his
Speaker 1: speech when you give them VP to Kobe or Jordan
Speaker 1: or whoever it is, and amongst the star you were
Speaker 1: the star stars, like you want to separate yourself amongst
Speaker 1: the best. I hope I'm wrong, but let's see. Let's
Speaker 1: see what happens. You got. Look, you guys will get
Speaker 1: the TNT script before I will, so you'll know. But
Speaker 1: I am. I will be watching from a far Sunday night.
Speaker 1: I really am really looking forward to that, Jamal. Before
Speaker 1: you go here, man, I got my neighbor here, Sal
Speaker 1: and his wife and Hellica and their kids here. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm hey, So they they're listening. So I so if
Speaker 1: my audio is a little bit messed up because I
Speaker 1: took my earphones out real quick, Jamal, keep it real,
Speaker 1: keep it one hundred, one hundred. When we first met,
Speaker 1: so it was my first year of covering the league
Speaker 1: two thousand, eleven twelve, and they were saying I was
Speaker 1: washed in Portland. Yeah, they didn't say you were washing Portland.
Speaker 1: They said you wouldn't you wouldn't you go be out
Speaker 1: the league soon? And you played another almost another decade
Speaker 1: after that, right, what was your impression of rookie Chris Hanes.
Speaker 1: My impression of rookie Chris Hanes was he was a
Speaker 1: rookie in some ways. The clothes. I'll never forget the clothes,
Speaker 1: because the clothes worked nice, but it was almost like
Speaker 1: you were just reaching quota, like you just had to
Speaker 1: have it on to play. You really want to do that,
Speaker 1: you really want to do this. I can see it.
Speaker 1: Look in your eyes. You still have the fresh haircut.
Speaker 1: But the clothes looked like me. You and Stein could
Speaker 1: have fitted them because they were so big, but it
Speaker 1: was so genuine. And I said, there's something about that guy.
Speaker 1: He's he's gonna have the future. I didn't know, being honest,
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were gonna do all this and
Speaker 1: do all these wonderful things. But I knew you would
Speaker 1: be around because the look in your eye when you
Speaker 1: were you were humble and you were hungry, and that's
Speaker 1: a really good combination for somebody who's trying to chase anything. Hey,
Speaker 1: I always say it in in our circles, in sports
Speaker 1: writer circles, I don't know many sports writers. This is
Speaker 1: my thirtieth season cover in the NBA. I haven't heard
Speaker 1: many stories of where Chris started and where he got
Speaker 1: that are better than the Chris Hayes journey. So even
Speaker 1: if even if his gear was a little off, still
Speaker 1: an absolute legend. But he wanted it, he wanted he
Speaker 1: really wanted everything he has. Now. I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: you saw all this for yourself in the last decade,
Speaker 1: but you really wanted to be great at this and
Speaker 1: I always respected that. Jamal Man, you know you're my
Speaker 1: ace man. You you was a vet when I was.
Speaker 1: When I was a rook man, you were teaching me,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure you're my vet. That's one last thing,
Speaker 1: one last thing before you let to go. Why did
Speaker 1: you give up the BlackBerry? I'm still using one. Why
Speaker 1: did you just decide you couldn't do it anymore? See
Speaker 1: before I answered that, I'm surprised you guys, especially you Stein,
Speaker 1: being in Dallas. I said something that have people in
Speaker 1: an uproar, and I'm surprised you didn't ask me about it.
Speaker 1: But I gave it up because Stein, Actually I get
Speaker 1: I get, I get up in the morning and my
Speaker 1: my iPhone is like a spaceship. If you hype an iPad,
Speaker 1: you have to have an iPhone. It's the same thing.
Speaker 1: You could do everything in your hand. I gave it
Speaker 1: up because I went to T and T and I
Speaker 1: had to get Instagram and all those things, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it on a BlackBerry. But I have an
Speaker 1: iPhone too, Like I'm doing this pod my iPhone, but
Speaker 1: my BlackBerry will never leap, like I will die with
Speaker 1: it in my hand. There's a very decent chance you
Speaker 1: Obama and Derek I literally have I literally eighteen eighteen
Speaker 1: Derek bro Hey, stop, don't you know Jamal Crawford and
Speaker 1: Derrick Rose that is the all BlackBerry backcourt. Sure, And
Speaker 1: Jamal brought up that thing what he said that when
Speaker 1: Viray's talking about Dallas, he's talking about when he he
Speaker 1: made that remark saying James Harden is doing what Luca
Speaker 1: I would. Jamal, I gotta get you out of here.
Speaker 1: But listen, I was shocked you went there. I was
Speaker 1: shocked you went there because not that I disagreed with you,
Speaker 1: but because now you're taking a position and you know
Speaker 1: you you you know what I mean. Now you take
Speaker 1: a position, you know fifty percent is gonna hate you,
Speaker 1: fifty percent is gonna love your take that ain't what
Speaker 1: you that ain't what you usually do. I didn't know
Speaker 1: such a polarizing quote, and this is now. This is
Speaker 1: the first time I talks about an expand a little
Speaker 1: bit on it, and I gotta go in a few
Speaker 1: minutes too. But I wasn't saying that Luca's not better
Speaker 1: than Hardened. It had nothing to do with Luca itself.
Speaker 1: Luca is unbelievable, Like I love watching him play. He's
Speaker 1: a generational, He's gonna be all time great. What I
Speaker 1: was saying was we praised Luca as we should. He
Speaker 1: deserves all the praise. But what I was saying was Hardened.
Speaker 1: Stylistically it's a little bit different, but mentality wise, it's
Speaker 1: kind of the same the way they play as far
Speaker 1: as he's kind of doing his thing. They're shooters all
Speaker 1: around step backs and doing like crazy numbers and crazy things.
Speaker 1: But at the time, even though he won MVP, a
Speaker 1: lot of the masses were like, this is not sustainable,
Speaker 1: This isn't that kind of basketball. It was kind of
Speaker 1: frowned upon amongst a lot of people. So that's all
Speaker 1: I was saying, Like Luca's totally different as far as
Speaker 1: how he plays, he's a magician, how he passes, he's
Speaker 1: he's a suvve. I love watching him play. But I
Speaker 1: was just saying, if we if we're gonna champion Luca,
Speaker 1: we could have championed Hardened a little bit more at
Speaker 1: that time. It's what I was saying. So it was
Speaker 1: no Luca, but it was just more so big enough
Speaker 1: Harden in that way, if if this is what it
Speaker 1: was gonna come to. Even though they played a little
Speaker 1: bit differently stylistically, it's still some of the same thing.
Speaker 1: Some similarities got you well, Jamal Man, listen, brother, I
Speaker 1: really thank you for coming on again. Man. Congratulations. That's
Speaker 1: a big honor to be appreciate, judge. And the Slam
Speaker 1: Dunk Contest is coming up Saturday, your first All Star weekend,
Speaker 1: so we gotta link up, man. I gotta teacher the
Speaker 1: ropes out there, brother, Yeah. Yeah, and find and listen
Speaker 1: to your poker your poker players right now. Please. They're
Speaker 1: here right now, man, they're here right now to try
Speaker 1: to show men hook him up taking money. Hey, you
Speaker 1: do it first, so they don't do it. That's a
Speaker 1: good Inva. That's my guy, Sal, that's neighbor Sal right there.
Speaker 1: Stop Jamal Crawford. That was this episode of This League
Speaker 1: Uncut Man, Jamal, thank you for coming on brother man.
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Speaker 1: Jamal doing great things on the media side. Peace to everybody,
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