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Speaker 1: I listen to The Black Guy Who Tips podcast because

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Speaker 1: Rod and Karen out Hey. Welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: The Black Guy Who Tells Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Rod Jordan.

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Speaker 1: Is always on my co host, and we are back

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Speaker 1: for a Kwanza edition of the podcast. You know, merk

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Speaker 1: Christmas to everybody that celebrated that. Help you happy visiting

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Speaker 1: your family. If that's something you did or whatever you did,

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Speaker 1: I hope you had a good time doing it whatever

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Speaker 1: it was.

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Speaker 3: If you just was like I got the day off

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Speaker 3: work and they paid me for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever you did, that's dope. We had dinner.

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Speaker 1: Our tradition continues, our ethnic dinner with my parents. This

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Speaker 1: year it was Japanese. Last year was Mexican. We would

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Speaker 1: have did Mexican again, but the place was closed.

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Speaker 2: When we went. But you know, we had a good time.

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Speaker 1: You know, everybody is enjoying this tradition because my mom

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to cook.

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Speaker 2: Nood has come over to the house.

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Speaker 4: Right, we render really well and like you know what,

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Speaker 4: ain't nobody cooking, no dishes, ain't nobody got to clean up, beyback,

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Speaker 4: just go home and enjoy the rest of the day.

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Speaker 1: It was fun, had a good time and then watched

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Speaker 1: a lot of basketball, some football, because football is now trying.

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Speaker 2: To take over Christmas, right.

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Speaker 3: And not trying to be funny.

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Speaker 4: I love football too, but I'm like, boom, boom, this

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Speaker 4: is NBA day.

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Speaker 3: Why y'all sneaking in the back door.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me because, uh, the way I look

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Speaker 1: at it is now I got something that when I

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Speaker 1: changed the channel, it's something else to watch. You you

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Speaker 1: played video games all day anyway, so you didn't watch

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Speaker 1: any of it, So I don't know why you boying.

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Speaker 1: I actually watched a lot of the games and it

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Speaker 1: was good. It was great sports TV. Although I'm a

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Speaker 1: little worried about how much ESPN is in bed with gambling.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: They have a app and they do commercials for it

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Speaker 1: called ESPN bet What And I'm like, we us be

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Speaker 1: like six months to a year away from somebody getting

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Speaker 1: suspended or fired. Yeah, because somebody on the airwaves is

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Speaker 1: definitely gonna bet on games. And I've already read an

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Speaker 1: article that said that telling people that work for you know,

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Speaker 1: on the air personalities and stuff not to bet.

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Speaker 2: On games and stuff.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, It's like that could get

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Speaker 1: slippery real easy because how media talks about things influences

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Speaker 1: the lines on games because it's all about confidences. Dallas

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Speaker 1: is gonna win bout fourteen, you know, but if Steven A.

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Speaker 1: Smith talks too good about them, they might change things

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Speaker 1: or whatever. And then also you have these people on

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Speaker 1: ESPN that do like breaking news, injury report, inside information.

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Speaker 2: What if somebody knows through talking to one of these

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Speaker 2: people or it is one of these people.

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Speaker 1: When somebody knows like, oh, so and so is not

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Speaker 1: playing tonight even though it looks like he's playing, and

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Speaker 1: then they put in a large bed or something, I

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Speaker 1: just think it could go wrong so many ways. But man,

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Speaker 1: they're fully in bed with gambling.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And it's also one of those things where it speaks

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Speaker 4: volumes A they're in a really bad need for money

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Speaker 4: because whi elst would they do something like this other

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all these streaming services and lack of cable and

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Speaker 3: And then.

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Speaker 4: B is one of these things where you look at

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Speaker 4: it and the people have gotten in trouble that actually

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Speaker 4: play the sport for gambling. So you're talking to somebody

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Speaker 4: that don't physically play the sport and telling them not

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Speaker 4: to gamble on something. And like you said, it's always

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Speaker 4: been a mixed bag. It's the reason why they had

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Speaker 4: those hard lines on you know, gambling, which you can

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Speaker 4: gamble on. That acts like it's a reason why. But

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Speaker 4: now all these lines are getting blurred. Once you have

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Speaker 4: these big corporations dip, they toes in. And my thing is,

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Speaker 3: It needs to be something with a We lead that

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Speaker 3: to other people. We keep it cute, you know.

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Speaker 4: We we let y'all you know, pick a teens, pick

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Speaker 4: like that. But once you get into it yourself, they're

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Speaker 4: and actually come out with harsh punishments. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm just waiting to see who's the first person punished,

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Speaker 1: because I just feel like it's gonna have to happen. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And people, you know Twitter, when I brought it up,

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Speaker 1: we're like, well, people know the rules.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, athletes know the.

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Speaker 1: Rules, and they still have two to three suspensions a

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Speaker 1: season at least for people that gamble. Keep in mind

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Speaker 1: gambling could be addictive, and it's about risk versus a war.

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Speaker 1: So you're not necessarily talking to people that are one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent on the like, oh yeah, of course, I'm

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Speaker 1: making a very conscious decision like they might be addicted

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Speaker 1: my job to make a point.

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Speaker 4: I mean to make some money, right, And it's gonna

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Speaker 4: be and you're asking to police themselves and that's gonna

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Speaker 4: be low and it's gonna be one of those things

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Speaker 4: where if shit like just get out of control, depends

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Speaker 4: on who's in the Congress and citizenship like that. I

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Speaker 4: can see them passing laws going, hey, don't do this.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna make a law. You can't do this because

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Speaker 4: if you're you're asking them to police themselves, and a

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Speaker 4: lot of times when they police themselves, they don't do

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Speaker 4: a good job.

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Speaker 1: Also, Trader Joe's has a barbecue spash cock chicken that

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Speaker 1: you can get. No One told me about it, and

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Speaker 1: so I know how the rest of y'all are. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh, I got this Trader Joe's spashcot

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Speaker 1: chicken and nobody told me about it. Well, I'm telling

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Speaker 2: And it's barbecue.

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Speaker 1: All you gotta do is put it in the oven

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Speaker 1: at four hundred degrees based it like thirty minutes into

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Speaker 1: to be done. But then you cook it like another

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Speaker 2: Oh so good.

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Speaker 1: All right, But that's not where we came to talk about. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: we almost didn't do a show today because we both

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Speaker 1: But there's been a topic that has lasted so long

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Speaker 2: Talk about it.

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Speaker 1: It happened literally a week ago when we right when

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Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, this probably would be an old news

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Speaker 1: by the time, but every day it kept persistent. And

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Speaker 1: I want to say, honestly, unless something tops it with

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Speaker 1: five days ago in the year, I think it's the

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Speaker 1: gender war of the year.

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Speaker 3: We're going to war.

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Speaker 4: On outside went on outside all shit.

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Speaker 2: If you saw the show art, you already know what

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Speaker 1: If you didn't see the show art, then on the

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Speaker 1: crowdcast and then you'll you'll be like, oh for real,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, so it's Simone Biles husband Jonathan Owens. And

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Speaker 1: you know, that's the way we're always gonna end up

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Speaker 1: saying it because it's someone bows and someone bowsing. No

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Speaker 1: offense to Jonathan Owens. He seems like a nice guy

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Speaker 1: that has really overcome a lot to be an NFL player.

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Speaker 4: But that's how people are going to know you, as

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Speaker 4: it's nothing personal towards you.

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Speaker 3: But that's normally how it goes.

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Speaker 4: Particularly you know your spouse, does you're the husband or

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Speaker 4: the wife of the significant other of such.

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Speaker 1: And such a so here at gender Wars, we typically

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Speaker 1: do not participate in the actual discussion generated by the

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Speaker 1: gender wars.

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Speaker 2: Typically we just rate the content.

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Speaker 1: But I think this one is so special we should

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Speaker 1: participate a little bit. I'm not saying we need to fight,

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Speaker 1: but just to give our thoughts on it, because I

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Speaker 1: have a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of thoughts. I have a lot of thoughts.

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Speaker 1: I've been talking to my friends about it in private.

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Speaker 1: I've been staying off of social media talking about it

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Speaker 1: really because no offense, but some of y'all have lost

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Speaker 1: your motherfucking mind. Yes, it's like, honestly, it's the amount

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Speaker 1: and Michelle who we went to college with. I think

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Speaker 1: she encapsulated best on my Facebook page. She said it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of research versus research. Yes, and I said, damn.

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Speaker 2: That's a bar.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that people say that all the time,

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Speaker 1: but yes, it's definitely like it's people being triggered by

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Speaker 1: their own history and just men in general and stuff

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Speaker 1: and relationships they've been in and versus you know, what

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Speaker 1: I guess the best way to start is to play

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Speaker 2: The players in the clip, because.

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Speaker 1: I feel like for a lot of y'all, this is

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Speaker 1: how y'all got introduced to these to some of this stuff,

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Speaker 1: and y'all are like, it depends.

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Speaker 2: On who you are.

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Speaker 1: But like Ryan Clark, we've been talking about him on

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Speaker 1: Balls d Sports for a long time, I think I

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Speaker 1: think he's a pretty stand up dude, to be honest

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Speaker 1: with y'all. Jonathan Owens and Simone Bows, we've been covering

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Speaker 1: them dating and getting married on.

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Speaker 2: The Balls d Sports, behind the Paywa.

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Speaker 4: Did and we even talked about how a lot of

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Speaker 4: people was trying to shave her for her edges and

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Speaker 4: shit like that, and you know, it's just been.

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Speaker 2: Crazy Gabby Douglas too.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things I'm noticing with this discussion

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Speaker 1: is people saying stuff that I haven't found to be true.

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Speaker 1: Like one thing was like, you know know, white people

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Speaker 2: I was like, no, that it was.

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Speaker 1: It was black people, And it was a lot of

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Speaker 1: black women too, Like this wasn't the massage noir that

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Speaker 2: It was a call from inside the house.

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Speaker 1: Because whether it was it wasn't like all black women

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Speaker 1: it was a heated fight, but it was a lot

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Speaker 1: of black women being like feeling some respectability type shit

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Speaker 1: about her hair on the national stage despite what she

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Speaker 1: was trying to accomplish. Now, like I said, I felt

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Speaker 1: like that was more Gabby than Simon, but I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Samon caught some too.

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Speaker 3: Yes. And also the thing about it that not trying funny,

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Speaker 3: that's us. White people don't be talking about their edge.

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Speaker 3: You talk to a lot of white they don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they might not even know what it is.

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Speaker 1: But that tells you a lot about the conversation right now,

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 6: I slipped her and it said we match, So I'm like, okay,

445
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 6: so I'm gonna see what's up. So I go do

446
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 6: my workout and I come back and I get like,

447
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 6: I have some likes on my Instagram, you know, and I'm.

448
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: Like they cut to her smiling, like smiling super hard

449
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 1: by the way, rolling her eyes a little bit.

450
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, this might like okay, so I see

451
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 6: what's up. And then I still waited. I'm like, man,

452
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 6: I'm gonna wait. I' gonna wait till I know, take

453
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 6: a shower and everything. Then I come back to my

454
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 6: phone and then she measures me on the app like hey,

455
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, and I'm man, that's up, man,

456
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 6: it's gotta be fake. Like I don't know, just I

457
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 6: didn't know who she was at the time, but like

458
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Speaker 6: the first thing that I saw was that she just

459
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 6: had a bunch of followers. So in my mind, I'm like, okay,

460
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 6: she gotta be good. If I promise you I'm.

461
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: Right now, Ryan Clark is all of us because I'm

462
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Speaker 1: the first time I saw this clip too, I went,

463
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Speaker 1: how the fuck does anyone not know who's some mo

464
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: own bows is? I know, I had the thought like,

465
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: because she's such a household name, she he's literally the

466
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: greatest gymnast of all time at this point.

467
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 2: So even though this was.

468
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Speaker 1: This would have been three or four, this would have

469
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: been a you know, probably four years ago. Because he

470
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: said during the right during the start of COVID. Right,

471
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: so three three, maybe four years ago, but still three

472
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Speaker 1: years ago.

473
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: We've been three years ago, but still I know I

474
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Speaker 2: had the thought.

475
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: That's the reason they shared this clip is because we

476
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: all have the same thought.

477
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 2: Which is, Nigga, you don't know who SIMONN. Bowels is.

478
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: Come on, But that doesn't make it. That doesn't mean

479
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: it's not true, right, you know what I mean?

480
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: You listen to this podcast every day and we don't

481
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: know a lot of people.

482
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 4: We had a whole session called because I don't be

483
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 4: knowing no goddam body.

484
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: And if you did a podcast, you listen to the

485
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: sign of our voice. Right now, there's gonna be some

486
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: very popular people that you eventually would have a I

487
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: don't know that motherfucker moment.

488
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Speaker 3: Yeah they might.

489
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 4: They might be big on TikTok or Instagram, a YouTube,

490
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 4: but I don't know who the hell they are.

491
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Speaker 1: The other thing he mentioned, too, was when he said

492
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: he thought it was fake. He's not talking about I

493
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: thought it was fake because I know who Simone bows is.

494
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: He's like, here's this pretty woman messaging me, chasing me

495
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: on the app that most men will tell you the

496
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 1: experience on dating apps is not that. So here's this

497
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: woman messaging me. I go to look her up. She's

498
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: got one point something million followers. Clearly this is a fake.

499
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: Somebody has gotten through and fucked with the algorithm. Somehow

500
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: they fucked with it and they got a fake person

501
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: out here. But yeah, Ryan Clark is me and I

502
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: think everybody in that. The first time I hear this story,

503
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, Nigga, what life story?

504
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 6: When she won Olympics. I was in college and we

505
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 6: didn't have NBC, we didn't have Olympic Challenge, and.

506
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: We're in camp.

507
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 6: We're in camp late late late July, early August, so

508
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 6: I'm not paying attention and.

509
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: I could see that being a truth statement.

510
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm out here trying to work out, and shit,

511
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 4: I read told you from the beginning. I'm not a

512
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 4: huge gymnastic fans. I don't follow the shit.

513
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 2: I just I guess the other thing too.

514
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: My default isn't like a whole He's trying to get

515
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: one over on us and her and everybody. It's like,

516
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: this is kind of like he was kind of oblivious.

517
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: It reminds me of you know, how we first started dating,

518
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: and we always tell that story of how you came

519
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: to the house and you asked me out, and I

520
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: said no because I didn't know what the fuck to

521
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: even say I was, you know, and then my friends

522
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: picked on me and I was like, oh my god,

523
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: and I'm fucking this up, and you know, I rush

524
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: and take a shower when we go out. People think

525
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: that story is so adorable and so cute. The difference,

526
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: and I'll get to I'll get to why. I think

527
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: there's a big difference here, and it's not him in

528
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: my opinion.

529
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: In that way, we don't know him.

530
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: They don't do a podcast one thousand hours together for

531
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: people to be like, no, that's clearly they still love

532
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: each other and that's just a cute story, correct, So

533
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: people are assuming the worst.

534
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 2: But I'll get to that in a second.

535
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Speaker 6: To you know, so I never would have had a

536
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Speaker 6: moment to where I would have watched like, you know.

537
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 2: I'a let you finish your story, man, continue.

538
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 6: But like I was saying, man, she messaged me, this

539
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 6: is like a Tuesday, and we.

540
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: She's smiling like co signing the yeah, I message him,

541
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: big ass wedding ring in our face too, blinging all

542
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: in our face.

543
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: I'm a blind job with this rock, just all in our.

544
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 6: And then we hung out Friday. Man, we couldn't do

545
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 6: much as COVID happened, everything was shut down. So she

546
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 6: came through down down to Houston. She lived in the suburbs,

547
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 6: so she had drive about forty five minutes to me.

548
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 6: Then the rest is history.

549
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: Man. So so you was really the catch.

550
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 6: And I always say the men a catch man. I

551
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 6: always say we the catch man.

552
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: Now, see that is also once again, if you think

553
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: he's been lying this whole time, now you think he's

554
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: like secretly Andrew Taate type nigga.

555
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: That's he hates.

556
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: Women and he thinks men are the real catching. Women

557
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: ain't ship and he needs to downplay her career and

558
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: all this stuff because it's the only way for him

559
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: to feel good in front of all these men, if

560
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, Like I just want to give the most

561
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: cynical take, because that's what the one people are a

562
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: lot of people are arguing about. And like I said,

563
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: it didn't just stop after a day. It's still going basically.

564
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: You know, I had to tell somebody on my Facebook page, like, Hey,

565
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: don't come in me about this because I'm not even

566
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: participating in this shit.

567
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: Right Like, because like I asked the question, like how.

568
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: Old would he have been when these tweets were out?

569
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: Because people are like see proof he lying, And I'm like,

570
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: so you're saying like a seventeen year old, sixteen year

571
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: old must have known that who the next people in

572
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: the Olympics would be, even though he's never tweeted about

573
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: the Olympics or gymnastics again the rest of this time

574
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: on twitters, it's you know, it turned into like a

575
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: like a why are you reaching to save him?

576
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: I said, hey, calm down, because I'm.

577
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: Not doing that right and if your argument ain't even

578
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: stand someone asking for clarification something, there's a type of insecurity.

579
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: Around the discussion that got nothing to do with me.

580
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: But yeah, but back to or you've just been arguing

581
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: so long with so many fucking people, you're ready to

582
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: fight even though somebody isn't trying to fight you. But yeah,

583
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: I think when he said this, I took this as

584
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: probably tongue in cheat this. You know, I always say

585
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: we the man, we the prize because it's because we're

586
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: not or whatever, you know what I mean, or you know,

587
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: it could be his experience as an athlete, he is

588
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: the prize. Because their world is different than the average

589
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: dating world considering I mean, we've we had so many

590
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: stories Zion Williamson and.

591
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: Like just we've had a lot.

592
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 5: Of stories, uh, Anthony Edwards recently where the pursuit of

593
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 5: these dudes and what people want from them is not

594
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 5: the same as the average dude working at you know,

595
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 5: Subway and ship.

596
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she really booked you.

597
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 6: She did, though, it is what you're saying because I

598
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 6: was fighting it. I was fighting it. So so in truth,

599
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 6: if I say this out loud, well, Jonathan always ain't

600
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 6: really want.

601
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: Some more, boss, it's what you're saying.

602
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: That's what you're not gonna say that. What you're saying,

603
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: I was afraid.

604
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 6: I was afraid to commit.

605
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, so he's pushing he's pushing back on that.

606
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: But keep in mind, this is kind of what people

607
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: took from it, regardless of the fact that he when

608
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: when when Ryan said that out loud, like, oh, so

609
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: you're trying to say you didn't even want her. He's like,

610
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, right, So he's so it's interesting

611
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: that people still took from it.

612
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: Some he directly corrected, It's like, that's not what I'm

613
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: saying what you're not gonna say that what you're saying.

614
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: I was afraid.

615
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 6: I was afraid to commit. I'm like, man, this is

616
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 6: my this is my third year. You know, I'm trying

617
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 6: to I'm like this kind of early. But you know,

618
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 6: like I said, man, it happen and we suspect it

619
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 6: and we hung out. Man, it was like we hit

620
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 6: it off instantly. You know, we just laughed the whole night.

621
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: So here's what's important about that last part you're talking about.

622
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: And you have to listen to the podcasts, which most

623
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: people didn't.

624
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: Oh no, they're not going to I wouldn't.

625
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: Listen to it.

626
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: I did because I want to do I wanted to know.

627
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: I didn't just want to go.

628
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: Off of what Twitter tells me.

629
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: I think too many people do that, and I think

630
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: we're worse off for it, and I don't think anything

631
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: is served by those And I think that's why the

632
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: conversations become about projection because what, you know, what, more

633
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: information does it stops allowing you to project onto it. Yes,

634
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: and people love projecting, so once you they can't do

635
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: that because once you see more information, you know exactly

636
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: what they mean and what was said. So you can't

637
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: just be like, well, it could mean this. Well, they

638
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: said it didn't if you just keep listening. So I

639
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: went and listen to it. But most people won't, right.

640
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: And so one of the things there is this guy

641
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: went from undrafted rookie to being cut by a couple

642
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: of teams, overcoming an injury, uh to like I think

643
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: his Achilles or something or acl or something. I think

644
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: it was achilles, fighting his way from the practice squad

645
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: back into the NFL to where now he is a

646
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: legitimate NFL starter on defense, playmaking. God, Okay, that's his journey.

647
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: And so he put in all this work. He was broke,

648
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: by the way. So there's some things in this interview

649
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: that if you throw it in the context that he

650
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: was broke, changes a lot. Like she drove forty five

651
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: minutes to come see him for their first date.

652
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: He ain't have a card. That makes sense, he was broke.

653
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: She's she's fucking simone bows right, like.

654
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: She don't do nothing she don't want to do.

655
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 1: Over right, But it's just it's just, you know, when

656
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: they first started dating, he wasn't like that like that,

657
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: And also as a dude that had reaped the benefits

658
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: of all his work, and people say this all the time.

659
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: They marvel at me and you.

660
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: There's people that say this about me and you, but

661
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: would not say it about themselves.

662
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: Just like, wow, y'all got married young? Why y'all Okay?

663
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: And then you listen to most advice, don't get married young,

664
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: play the field. Know some people, this man was like

665
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four, going into the prime of his

666
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: NFL career for the first time, about to beat somebody

667
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: and was legitimately and I think almost every man or

668
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: woman at that age who's about to be, you know,

669
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: somebody with some money and some fame, it's probably thinking

670
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: the same shit, which is like, oh my god, I'm

671
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: gonna be on these hoes and I mean that gender neutral.

672
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: Yes, the hose. If you a whole that they gonna

673
00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: be on them.

674
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: That's extremely fucking common. I'm not even sure. And then

675
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: you look at him. He's a beautiful man, very attractive man.

676
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: I know plenty of people was trying to get with him.

677
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: That's you know, he hops on this app within a

678
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: few days, simone.

679
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: Bows hollers at him.

680
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had to think about it, for it had

681
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: It was a decision, you know, it's just even real.

682
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: What's happening to blah bla blah anyway.

683
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: So I just think the vilification of this has gotten

684
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: out of control because it's a very reasonable point of view.

685
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: Is what we're looking at.

686
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: Is the security of two people that have made it

687
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: thus far, that are happy together, so they can laugh

688
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: about it if you're insecure about your status or their

689
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: status or her status. Right, coming back to that, if

690
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: you're insecure about it, you can't laugh you it's serious

691
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: to you. He might as well got up there and said,

692
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: fuck this bitch, I hate her, she ain't shit, she

693
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: can't you know whatever, and this.

694
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: But that's what you're hearing regardless of what was said.

695
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: Right now.

696
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: I'll get into the rest of the the thing, but uh,

697
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: the podcast, because I think you need like more context

698
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: to it. But so people were treating this clip as

699
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: if it was the worst thing on earth, and I

700
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: do think everyone kind of got played because you know

701
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: who put this clip out the pivot.

702
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 4: Right because they want you to to come and listen

703
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 4: to the podcast and click on their YouTube.

704
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: It's Shannon Shark putting out the Kirk Franklin clip. It's

705
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: what we talk about on here. Gender Wars content score,

706
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: it's ten out of ten.

707
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: It's about content, but the score.

708
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: Is a ten out of ten, is what I'm saying.

709
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yet.

710
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's amazing because it also gave everybody involved

711
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: the chance to like follow up because the outrage was

712
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: so much, and you got, uh, Simone Bows defending herself

713
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: and her man. You got Ryan Clark coming out later

714
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: being like, Hey, we don't do what y'all are trying

715
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: to say.

716
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 4: We do blah blah blah. You know, gotcha, ship, We're

717
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: just having a conversation.

718
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 2: Uh.

719
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: So it's amazing. It's amazing content in that way. And so,

720
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: like I said, I did go listen to the rest

721
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: of the podcast, but I want to say something about

722
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: Simone Bows real quick too. And this is what I

723
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: There's two things that I want to say. The first one,

724
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: I think, even if it's with good intentions, a lot

725
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: of people are operating with a level of.

726
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: Pity towards her or something.

727
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: And I think it's been that way for a while.

728
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: You know, we know she's one of the gymnasts that survived.

729
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: Uh that that that that doctor who got killed in

730
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: prison at Michigan State. We know that, we know how

731
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: people have talked bad about her hair and her parents.

732
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: With all kinds of jokes.

733
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: We know she also went through that through what she had,

734
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: that mental health issue when she was trying to be

735
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: in the Olympics and her she got the twisties and

736
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: she just couldn't perform. So I think, and she's a

737
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: black woman in the spotlight representing America and everything that

738
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: comes with it. So we have always held a level

739
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: of protection around her, I think for those of us

740
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: that do know her and her work, and that has

741
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: stripped her of her own agency and autonomy, and she's

742
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: become more of a symbol than a person to most folks.

743
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: So when they were going on her Instagram telling her

744
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: to divorce him, this is a red flag.

745
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 2: He doesn't love you, this is abuse.

746
00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: She clapped back, as people typically would do when you

747
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: talk about their spouse like that, and they don't fucking agree.

748
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 4: Right, I don't know what about that. People don't mother

749
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 4: fucking understand.

750
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: Like she's there twenty four seven, three sixty five. You're

751
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: there for two minutes of a podcast. You couldn't be

752
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: bothered to go finish listening to You're there because you've

753
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: been on Twitter fighting back and forth with ashy niggas

754
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: all day.

755
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: This is so fucking different.

756
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: And then when people fucking like when she clap back

757
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: at them, they start being on something like we doing

758
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: this for you, you know how they do, right, which

759
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: is always weird, right.

760
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: No, you do this for yourself. This it's not about me,

761
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 3: because this is not even my wishes.

762
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: We don't know each other, right, so you're not really

763
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: doing anything for me. It's for you, whatever that means

764
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: for you, and your social media is what you're doing

765
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: this for. So she clap back, and she's kind of,

766
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, said little funny stuff the last couple of

767
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: days about it, kind of waiting on people to move on.

768
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: But I saw people try to pay themselves as the victims.

769
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: Like like, I can't believe she came at me like this,

770
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: knowing she got all these followers.

771
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, they love that bullshit. It's my ass. They're human beings. They'

772
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 4: all human beings. Celebrities are human beings, y'all. And for

773
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 4: some reason, people think they can just do anything and

774
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 4: say anything and come at them all crazy and shit,

775
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 4: and then when they do respond back, all of a sudden,

776
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 4: you the goddamn victim.

777
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 3: But you're the one attacking them.

778
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: And keep in mind they're also saying nasty shit after,

779
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: you know, when she basically says like are y'all done

780
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: yet or whatever, they're like, yeah, well, when y'all get divorced,

781
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: remember I told you? You know, like they're hoping for

782
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: this relationship to fail, which, let's be honest, most relationships

783
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: are gonna fail at some point.

784
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: So they act like we discovered something when really it

785
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: could be anything, but.

786
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: You know, and maybe they'll be but they they're looking

787
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: at it like I will be proven right by whatever happens.

788
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: And when you're in your man marriage that I am

789
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: now rooting against, which the audacity of rooting for and

790
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: against a stranger's relationship is crazy as fuck. Yeah, that's

791
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: that's already really fucking insane. But a lot of people

792
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: to that ship. Yeah, you know, they recently celebrated their

793
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: first Christmas together married and posted it on their Instagram

794
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But uh, you know, uh both

795
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: bousand Owens laughed off the backlash unbothered smiley faced hard emoji.

796
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: He wrote on Friday, just know we locked in over here.

797
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: She put the fingers crossed kiss.

798
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 2: Emoji for life.

799
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: Another one, she put all y'all done yet with a

800
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: with a with a meme on Twitter.

801
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: So you know they're there.

802
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: They seem to be like, look, y'all took this ship

803
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: out of context and know it's not what y'all think. Okay,

804
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: So here's the other thing. Now, I haven't heard anybody

805
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: say that. And I was telling Bassi about this and

806
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: she was like, you gotta say that, and I was like,

807
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, I don't want to say it

808
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: on Twitter because I just don't think it's a good

809
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: environment to have a discussion.

810
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: Regardless of what it is is not.

811
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I can say here and I think, uh it,

812
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: maybe people will understand here.

813
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 2: But she's Simon fucking Biles.

814
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: She does not look at this the way you look

815
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: at this, of like this idea of like this man

816
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: should have been chasing me.

817
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.

818
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: She looks at it like the way she look at

819
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: gold medals. She's like, I achieved this.

820
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: I saw this.

821
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: Bad nigga was coming into his own. That was thought

822
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: he was fitting to like go out and be you know,

823
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: uh just out here where the holes at and be

824
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: and being beautiful on Instagram and all this shit, and

825
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: I said, I'm Simon Bios. And keep in mind, he

826
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: to her it's a badge of honor. He didn't even

827
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: really fucking know who I was. I still pulled this nigga.

828
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: That's how she approaches it, I believe from just the

829
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: way she's smiling and the way they told the rest

830
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 1: of her story. Because if you listen to the podcast

831
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: and she the flex wasn't in this meet cute shit.

832
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: The flex was in when they started going out and

833
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: then they would go out places and people would be like,

834
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: stranger man, can you take this picture of me and

835
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: Simon Bios?

836
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 3: Right?

837
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

838
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 4: Because I was like, I don't know who you is,

839
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 4: but you need to take a picture of me and her.

840
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 3: And that's why that's a major read a photographer.

841
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: Now, that's a major reason you should listen to or

842
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: watch the podcast and this complete thing because I no offense.

843
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: He became an Instagram boyfriend didn't even know it.

844
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: I count myself amongst the people I'm talking about when

845
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: I say this, I count myself amongst the bitches in this.

846
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: When I say bitcho, the rest of us bitches could

847
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: never never, we would never be what Samon Valles was

848
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: able to just be like it's fine, you know, like

849
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: she was like most people would have been like, I

850
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like I'm doing too much.

851
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: He not showing me enough interest. I'm out. She was

852
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: on somebody It'll be fine. Like one of the.

853
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: Things he messaged her when they first started talking on

854
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: the app was Okay, so you're a gymnast, who do

855
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: you compete against?

856
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: And her answer was myself.

857
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: Come on myself.

858
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: And he was like no, but like, who is your competition?

859
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: And she was like, I'm the best in the world.

860
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: People say I only compete against myself. I'm like, yeah,

861
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: I think what y'all are painting her in the and

862
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: I get it because, like I said, it's been a

863
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that she's publicly went through and we

864
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: felt this need to protect her. So in our minds

865
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: we're painting her as wow, man, he didn't see her

866
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: value when really she's like, I know him valuable.

867
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not about him.

868
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Him pursuing me at the beginning of dating is not

869
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: the prize that you think it is.

870
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: At least that's my interpretation as our project.

871
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: You know, that's that from what I listened to uh,

872
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: it felt more like she was doing that. Another thing

873
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: that came up was they talked about how they took

874
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: they had therapy together.

875
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: She got them into therapy, how.

876
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: Uh she got him to go see a sport He

877
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: ended up going to see a sports psychologist, and not

878
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: because she made him do any of it, by the way,

879
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: or even asked him to. He just saw she's the

880
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: best in the world and started being like, what do

881
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: you do?

882
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I need to step my game upright.

883
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: One of my favorite positive podcasts when they're talking about

884
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: their relationship and he talks about how he supported her

885
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: through when she had the twisties and all that stuff.

886
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: I think that's what it's called.

887
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 4: God.

888
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't fuck it up, but or the yep,

889
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: I forget what was called. But he supported her through

890
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: all that. So while y'all are calling him a piece

891
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: of shit, shut the fuck up. You really don't know

892
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: you saw too many clip and start going to fuck

893
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 1: off right, and he's and he's acknowledging she's the best

894
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: in the world at that point, like in this podcast

895
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: is so to me, their meet cute is kind of

896
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: you just have.

897
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: To look at the value system of it.

898
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: It's I didn't know who she was, and she still

899
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: pulled me, and I thought I was the fucking man.

900
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: Right, that's what he's saying.

901
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: And I realized, well, she hushed HERM like bigger than mine?

902
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: Right and then and and I've seen the way she's

903
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: been able to be the best, and it's helped me

904
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: to follow in that suit and be like, Okay, these

905
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: are things I can do to help me be the best.

906
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: And she understands me as an athlete in a way

907
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: that another person could not. You know, other types of

908
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: women that he's dated, he brings up later. He's like,

909
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: there's other women off datd and they I wouldn't even

910
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: have listened to them about playing football because they it's

911
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: literally so different from what they do.

912
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: It wouldn't have made sense. But he brought up how he.

913
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: Was looking at film trying to get better, and she

914
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: saw the film and she brought up he was like,

915
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, the coach says such and such as She's like, yes,

916
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: I've noticed that you think too much. You're not all

917
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: going off for an instinct. You need to speed up

918
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: and have more confidence. And she taught him about like

919
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome, because he went to a therapist and all

920
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: this stuff. So like, these are beautiful stories of a

921
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: relationship with growth and learning and love and trust.

922
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: You right, you're under.

923
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: The underpinnings of this two minute clip are the context

924
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: of their entire relationship, which allows them to tell this

925
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: story both smiling and giggling at Yeah, he didn't know

926
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: who I was and I pulled him and now he

927
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: knows who I am.

928
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: And isn't that funny?

929
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: You know, we'll tell our kids one day, Yo, daddy

930
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: didn't even know.

931
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: I'm the best motherfucker in the world. Ain't that wild?

932
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: You know that wild babies?

933
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like she's it's still love. So like she's

934
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: supportive of him. Like there was a couple of things

935
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: where like, uh, he brought up like how he wants

936
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 1: to be like this major star in football and stuff,

937
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: and she's like, and you gonna do it?

938
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 2: Baby? She one of these you know.

939
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: But and that's I'm not knocking that, that's that's just

940
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: the dynamic of the relationship.

941
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: Correct.

942
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: So I think because I'm that type of person, I'll

943
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: support you.

944
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: I think also when people look at stuff on the outside,

945
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: we go by our value system. Simone Bow's household name,

946
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: Jonathan Owens. You gotta kind of be in a specific

947
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: lane to even know who he is, what he does

948
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: all that stuff, right, defensive NFL player. That's a lot

949
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: of obstacles already for people. Yeah, most people they think

950
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: about football is always.

951
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: Drafted and undrafted. Yes, so help me.

952
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: Y'all probably didn't even know what he looked like, No,

953
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: you just go, that's a handsome guy if he saw

954
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: me in tomorrow.

955
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: But you wouldn't.

956
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: No, no, right, so so so you got all so

957
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: in our minds, our value system is like, how are

958
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: you not worshiping her? She's better than you? But here's

959
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: here's the thing though low key. Maybe some of y'all

960
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: want this, so let me not say that for everybody,

961
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: but in general, it's a lot of people relationships that

962
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: don't want to be with somebody that thinks they're literally

963
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: better than them, right, Like, like I get respecting me,

964
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: appreciate me, loving me. I don't want you walking around

965
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: thinking you ain't shit and I'm the one that did that.

966
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: That's not healthy.

967
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: And I know people like to promote that as a cliche,

968
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like.

969
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: The public thing or you know, without my wife. She

970
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 2: puts up with.

971
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: Me and all this shit, and I've never liked that.

972
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: I don't say that kind of shit, like, you know,

973
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: I just want to appreciate my wife on her birthday

974
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: because she puts up with my nonsense, and it's like, what,

975
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: why are you putting it through?

976
00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: Nonsense?

977
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 3: You putting her through nine where it's the growth.

978
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: So he thinks he's the ship, and she thinks he's

979
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: the ship, and he thinks she's the shit. He just

980
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: didn't know it at the time when they first got together,

981
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: but listening to the rest of the interview, he clearly

982
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: thinks she's the shit, best in the world, and it's

983
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: a big fucking deal. So I think that's a major

984
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: part of this that just can't be. You can't just

985
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: push it aside, you know. Just before the holidays, Bows

986
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: told people she knows the season can be hectic with

987
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: so much going on, but this is a reminder to

988
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: slow Down'll be president. It really taking the special time

989
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: of year. Our lives can get so busy. So I

990
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: plan on prioritizing self compassion, daily well being by getting

991
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: great sleep, rest and when I need to surround myself

992
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: with people that lift me up, family, friends, and of

993
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: course my dogs, she shared.

994
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like, like I said.

995
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: That became like this huge moment, But I just I

996
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: didn't see it the same way. And I also will

997
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: say I do understand people that see it differently.

998
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: It's informed by the context.

999
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: Of how men can be, how relationships are gone for people,

1000
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: and what you've bought into.

1001
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: Right, what do you quote unquote think your role as

1002
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 3: the gender?

1003
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 4: You know, men do this, women do this, Men that

1004
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 4: have talked down which is a huge Kevin Samuels. It's

1005
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 4: a huge economy ecosystem of men who talk down on

1006
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 4: women and they run them down constantly, and it's all

1007
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 4: just the man is the one.

1008
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: The woman ain't shit.

1009
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: And in that small clip, I see how you could

1010
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: run with that because you're feeling in the context because

1011
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: you only got three minutes to discuss or of discussion

1012
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: to go with. But once to me, once you go

1013
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: why look at the whole thing, it just seems like

1014
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: it goes away to me, you know, So I think

1015
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: that was a big part of it too.

1016
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: And then Ryan Clark comes.

1017
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: Out later and uh, he put out something kind of

1018
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: defending the show.

1019
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: Let me see if I.

1020
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: Can find this clip h but he thinks people are

1021
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: nitpicking what he said. Okay, let me see, it's just uh,

1022
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: it's not playing the clip. Nope, all right, it's fine,

1023
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: I'll read what he said. He said he was telling

1024
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: the story about how he met his wife Simon on

1025
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: our show, and she was also there. He told the

1026
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: story with so much love in their eyes, and every

1027
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: time they looked at each other, you could sit down

1028
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: how beautiful it was to them. Listen to him talk

1029
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: about that twenty twenty conversation while she was at the Olympics,

1030
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: as he's encouraging her that she could be okay when

1031
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: she wasn't the time he took away with her, even

1032
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: getting married during that time. And now Someone Bows is

1033
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: back to Someone Bows. We know he's talking about when

1034
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: she got the twisties.

1035
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 4: Uh.

1036
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: He says, just because you feel like he should be

1037
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: worshiping the gymnast Simone Bows, doesn't mean that he can't

1038
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: respect you can't respect that he's in love with the woman,

1039
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: Simone Bows. And then they just getting to her, you know,

1040
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: sharing that are y'all done yet?

1041
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: And all that stuff.

1042
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: But yeah, I really think it's that simple. It really is,

1043
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: like we have so much reverence for her as an

1044
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: athlete that were like, how the fuck do you not

1045
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: he didn't know, And part of that, honestly seemed like

1046
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: it was dope to her. And I think with a

1047
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: lot of these celebrity types it be dope to them

1048
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: just because it's like, finally, a motherfucker that's not already

1049
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: got their opinions about me, a motherfucker that's not just

1050
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: getting with me because they know I'm somebody. A motherfucker

1051
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: that's not just like I'm a list of accomplishments to them,

1052
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: or hey man, I fucked some own brows. Nigga like

1053
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: it like it was kind of it was honest. It

1054
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: was honest and refreshing to me that he wasn't just

1055
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: also like yeah, nigga, you know like it was kind

1056
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: of like.

1057
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: A hey man, I'm gonna be real. I didn't even know.

1058
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: Like, at least to me, it didn't come off as

1059
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, trying to like denigrate her or bring

1060
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: her down.

1061
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 4: Right, And the whole thing is, y'all know she was there, right,

1062
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 4: She has the agency of her own body, and at

1063
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 4: any period of time she had an own microphone, she

1064
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 4: could have interjected said anything at any period of time.

1065
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like the whole interview isn't even about their relationship.

1066
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: Like there's probably about ten fifteen minutes total of relationship talk,

1067
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: if any, and most of us about his journey. And

1068
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: like I said, him as a person was interesting learning

1069
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: about because he went through a lot of shit to

1070
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: get to where he's at and to build his confidence

1071
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: and so and he suffered from a poster syndrome. I

1072
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,479
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything more imposter syndrome than man, she's

1073
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: some mong bows and I ain't shit, you know, I

1074
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: don't even know why we got married. I don't know

1075
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: what she seeing me, why she want to be with me.

1076
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: She could be with anybody. That's how people seen to

1077
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: ym to like say it. But it's like he if

1078
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: he he may have done work to not feel that way,

1079
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: you know.

1080
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna tell you right now, it takes work

1081
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 4: not to feel that way, you know, because you know,

1082
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 4: even with us, I one period of time, I used

1083
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 4: to think that about me, you know, and you know,

1084
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 4: talking to listening to family and things like that. They

1085
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 4: would even say things to me it would make me

1086
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 4: doubt myself. You know, what would what would make somebody

1087
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 4: as smart as intelligent, somebody is going somewhere, won't somebody

1088
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 4: like you, And so.

1089
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 3: That's something that it's my fuck.

1090
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 4: And you know, some people, if you just a confident

1091
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 4: you just a confident ass bitch.

1092
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: Good for you.

1093
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 4: But everybody ain't there, you know, and it takes a

1094
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 4: while to get there. And now I don't feel that way,

1095
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 4: but one period of time I did.

1096
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: Also, Like you know, I'll say this all the time

1097
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: about our relationship. We make a lot of jokes and stuff,

1098
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: not everything for the podcast Just in Life. We make

1099
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: a lot of jokes a lot, and one of the

1100
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: reasons we can make those jokes is because it's underpanned

1101
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: from our real experiences with each other in longevity and

1102
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: history and security in a way that like, oh, you

1103
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: can say that, and I know you don't mean that.

1104
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: It's just funny to you or you know, but if

1105
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: we did not have that, which is other people don't

1106
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: have this one of the reasons we don't make the

1107
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: same jokes on the podcast cause y'all are strangers. Y'all

1108
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: don't know our relationship like that. Y'all haven't been here

1109
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: for everything. So something that we could laugh off easily,

1110
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: like hahaha. Like if this is just an example, but

1111
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: if it was like Karen's like, are you gonna cook dinner?

1112
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: And I'm like no, She's like, don't make me beat you.

1113
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: We can laugh about that.

1114
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: Because neither one of us have ever put our hands

1115
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: on each other period. I feel safe that is not

1116
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: some shit that would happen up in here. So there's

1117
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: twenty something years of that not hapen. That makes that

1118
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 1: funny to us, correct, But to you person that don't

1119
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: know us, that may have had violence issues in your relationship,

1120
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: in your upbringing with your parents, whatever you may have

1121
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: seen stuff, that shit might not be fucking funny to you, right,

1122
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: because there's no amount of security you can siphon off

1123
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: of our security to be your security. So to you,

1124
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: it's triggering, and you like, I think Karen is abusive,

1125
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: she beats him, and it would never be anything Karen

1126
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: can ever say to disprove that they're anything I can

1127
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: say to be like, man, fuck y'all, man, my wife,

1128
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: don't hit me, y'all. Oh, that's what abuse people say.

1129
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: There's literally nothing that can be done because your history

1130
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: is different. If it's hysterical, it's historical, And so I

1131
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: think that's what a lot of this is is people

1132
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: have dealt with men who actually belittle them, not just

1133
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: in this conversation, not as a joke, not as part

1134
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: of the meat cube, but they do.

1135
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: It all the time. They undermine them and all this shit,

1136
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 2: And so they.

1137
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: Be walking around like anytime I get a whiff of

1138
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: it off of anybody, that's who that nigga is. That's

1139
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: what they do, you know, And so I think that's

1140
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: part of it for a lot of folks. But if

1141
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: they're telling us this is not our history, I'm I'm

1142
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: going to accept that because I don't know them until

1143
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: proven otherwise why would I.

1144
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: And not to mention a lot.

1145
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: Of these celebrity Instagram relationship things whenever the issues do

1146
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: pop up, it don't even be what the fuck people said.

1147
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: It was like people be thinking, these motherfuckers the perfect thing.

1148
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: They do a couple of photo shoes, they do a

1149
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: magazine covering.

1150
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 2: It's all back to like it's all good. They figured

1151
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: it out.

1152
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: We don't fucking know these people, you know, and we

1153
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: don't know what's going under the house. For everything with

1154
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: Keiki Palmer, people did not for the most part, people

1155
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: did not have whatever is happening in their house, happening,

1156
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: whether it's her talking about getting drunk putting their hands

1157
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: on him, if that's true, or whether it's the him

1158
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: putting his hands on her and they didn't have that,

1159
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: They had a bunch of other ship like this nigga

1160
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: broke this and just you just got to get away

1161
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: from him because he ain't got no money, don't nobody

1162
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: know who he is, Like, we don't fucking know what's

1163
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 1: happened in their house.

1164
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 2: Maybe it's bad, maybe it's.

1165
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: Good, But I don't think a three minute clip is

1166
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: enough to know. And it's definitely not enough to be

1167
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: fighting with niggas for a week.

1168
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 3: Yes, they've been fighting for a whole week, y'all.

1169
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: It has been a week.

1170
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 4: People still mad because there's nothing else to do South Yeah,

1171
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 4: right the end of the year. People got the last

1172
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 4: two weeks off. They at home with their kids or spouse.

1173
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 4: They're bored, you know, nothing really on TV.

1174
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: I also find it funny when the people are like,

1175
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: see this is this is what the time they choose

1176
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: to uplift Stabman to like be like Stadman Staman is

1177
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: a good man. See you don't never hear him saying

1178
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: nothing bad about Oprah Da da dah. I'm like one,

1179
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: their story of getting together is not the same, so

1180
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know where you would go with that.

1181
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: But then too, I thought, y'all hate Oprah, Make up

1182
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: your fucking mind is Oprah? Oprah personally went and down

1183
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: graded Taraji p Henson's contract and made her be depressed

1184
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: on the press store and said, don't talk to me

1185
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: and stand next to me, or it's Oprah super capitalist

1186
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: gave money to Africa to get help them get water,

1187
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: but didn't help flip Michigan. Like it's y'all don't even

1188
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: like Oprah, so why the fuck is she now the

1189
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: great example of the relationship. It's only when you want

1190
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: to knock somebody else down that you even want to

1191
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: give her credit. And I'm not one of these Oprah haters,

1192
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 1: but y'all know, y'all are y'all know y'all are I've

1193
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: seen it. I've seen it with my own eyes me too,

1194
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 1: So I thought that was funny too, the stabb and shit.

1195
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,959
Speaker 1: And then also, like we talk about this a lot,

1196
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: but most people still view at least in my experience,

1197
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: most people still view relationships in like the power dynamics

1198
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: of like children.

1199
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 4: Yes, they do, and you can tell that they have

1200
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 4: not grown outside of that, because as you get older,

1201
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 4: your definition of love changes.

1202
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 3: It matures, it evolves.

1203
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 4: And it moss into something very very different than it

1204
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 4: did when you were and child. When you're a child,

1205
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 4: your emotions are very intense, and I think a lot

1206
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 4: of people haven't got past that. That's why a lot

1207
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 4: of arguments and things like this a relationship love it's

1208
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 4: so intense because they have not matured and they think

1209
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 4: something's wrong with you when you're like, oh, that shit,

1210
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 4: ain't that important. Oh you know, when your perspective is

1211
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 4: not looking at everything from a black and white perspective

1212
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 4: and understanding and.

1213
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 3: Life is gray. Most of life is gray.

1214
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 4: Understanding that people change and evolve and grow, understanding that Also,

1215
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 4: the thing about all this stuff is that you can

1216
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 4: love somebody enough to let them go and to walk

1217
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 4: away and things like that, like it, like it's a

1218
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 4: lot do it, and the internet is just not.

1219
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: I think most people think relationships are about power, and

1220
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: I think that's why they will always kind of end

1221
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: up with the same predicaments over and over in the

1222
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: same problems. Is because most people in our culture, especially

1223
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: with us being taught about you know, monogamy and lifelong

1224
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: marriage is the only way you know.

1225
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 2: Through like religious means and stuff like that.

1226
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: Most people will see relationships as power and control and

1227
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: not support. Yes, here's a set of actions and parameters.

1228
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: You're allowed to perform in this box. Anything outside of

1229
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: that you gotta go. And one of us is the

1230
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: person that decides what the box is, and the other

1231
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: person is the person that goes in it. And as

1232
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: far as most people are concerned, it's the person who

1233
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: has the most money, or is the most famous, or

1234
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: the oldest or whatever arbitrary thing they decide is how

1235
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: a relationship should work.

1236
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: That is how most people treat relationships.

1237
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: Is how most of the discussions from relationship experts and

1238
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: stuff talk. Is why Kevin Sanings was so popular because

1239
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: he tripled down and they simplify shit.

1240
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 4: They make things very very simple. And the thing is

1241
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 4: people treat their mates and significant others like pets. Something

1242
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 4: I can you know, pat upside the head, pull out

1243
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 4: one I want it, and when I don't want it

1244
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 4: like an shoot and tell it to get away. A

1245
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 4: lot of people they don't treat their spouse and significant

1246
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 4: other or whatever their relationship dynamic is as something that

1247
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 4: needs emotional support, something that needs to be listened to,

1248
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 4: something because a lot of times, like you say, with

1249
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 4: the power dynamic, you know what it is, I'm in power,

1250
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 4: and what does the person in power. I ain't got

1251
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 4: to listen to you, you and you and quote unquote

1252
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 4: theyre gonna tell me what to do.

1253
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 3: I'm the boss. A lot of it is very confrontational.

1254
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: Also, I mean, like listening what happens when we talk

1255
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: about or you see conversations about people cheating and stuff,

1256
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: and people go, I cheat it back. That doesn't mean

1257
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: anything because you didn't do shit. Like what you wanted

1258
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: was a happy relationship. Supposedly it was already disrupted. There's

1259
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: not an even to it. It is now broken. Regardless

1260
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: of who broke it and how it was broken, it

1261
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,919
Speaker 1: is broken. You're not getting the thing you wanted. If

1262
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: I guess, the cheaters ego might be hurt, but you're not.

1263
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: It's not really it's a childish thing because we still

1264
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: think of these things as childlike things like balancing the

1265
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: scales or something that is not really scales.

1266
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 2: It's all arbitrary things we made up.

1267
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: It's why people don't understand open relationships, polyamorous relationships.

1268
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: Because it's like, but then, how do you control the person?

1269
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: How do you? How do you? And not that those

1270
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: rules don't.

1271
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: They don't have rules of parameters there, but just so

1272
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: much of how we view things are like, if it's

1273
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: not in this boxing can't work. And so the idea

1274
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: that an Olympic gold medalist, best gymnast of all time

1275
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: person will be secure enough to go I did pull him. Yeah,

1276
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: I think he's a bad bitch, and I say I'm

1277
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: gonna get him, and I did, and everyone no one

1278
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: can see it from her respective because we're too busy

1279
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: doing the like, but the power dynamics me.

1280
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: Did you he should be the one? Like I'm lucky

1281
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 2: to be with you? Yeah?

1282
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: Well I didn't want a god that felt like that, right.

1283
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: I want him to appreciate me and respect.

1284
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 2: Me, but I don't.

1285
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: I don't the way you feel about me. I don't

1286
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: want to be with you like I don't want to

1287
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: stand you know what I mean?

1288
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 2: I don't need that that Some people need that.

1289
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, now she don't seem to need that, and lit

1290
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: at this age, maybe she'll grow and change. Maybe that

1291
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: relationship will change. Maybe one day this won't be enough.

1292
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: Things happen. They're young, but right now, the way they

1293
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: seem to be talking about this is we're happy and

1294
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: we love our story. So I don't know how the

1295
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: fuck everyone else is trying to like take that three

1296
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: minutes because you didn't go listen to the whole thing

1297
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: and destroy these motherfuckers.

1298
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 4: This is crazy to me. Yeah, and it's wild and

1299
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 4: it doesn't make sense. But like you said, it's a

1300
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 4: lot of projecting. It's a lot of gender standards, particularly

1301
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 4: straight people, gender standards people putting on here. It's a

1302
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 4: lot of hurt, a lot of pain, a lot of research, yes,

1303
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 4: a lot of me search versus research right like you're

1304
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 4: and and a lot of times too, a lot of

1305
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 4: these things that happen.

1306
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 3: A lot of reasons why the gender war stuff.

1307
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 4: Gets trending and goes so far as because for some

1308
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 4: people they've been in scenarios and situations and they've been

1309
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 4: with eight shit people before, and all of a sudden

1310
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 4: that one person represents everybody and everyone and that's not

1311
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 4: always a true statement.

1312
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: And the other thing I'll say before you start wrapping up,

1313
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: is a lot of people don't know what support looks like.

1314
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: Support sometimes is helping somebody achieve those dreams that get

1315
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: them outside of that box that just you know, like he,

1316
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't. You're not just a stay at home husband

1317
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: to her or the person that you know, make sure

1318
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: she's okay for the Olympics, like she wants to be

1319
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: there to help him become the best athlete possible in

1320
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: the NFL field. They're both and they're both in jobs

1321
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: where injuries are common. They're gonna help each other literally

1322
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: in sickness and health, Like this man will get injured

1323
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: at some point.

1324
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 2: They will be together during that and have to figure

1325
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: that shit out together.

1326
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: When I listen to the whole thing, hearing the amount

1327
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: of like mutual respect there and especially as athletes that

1328
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: he had for her, I was like, oh, I get it.

1329
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: And like I said, the fact that they live where

1330
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: he plays football and people still stop and ask for

1331
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: pictures with her more than him. And one of the

1332
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: things he said that I thought was so dope was

1333
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: he learned how to be gracious about people like loving

1334
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: you in public the way they love Simon, because he

1335
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: hadn't experienced that. Remember, he wasn't quote unquote nobody to

1336
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Yet he hadn't made his name yet,

1337
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: even locally on the team, he hadn't made his name.

1338
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 2: So when they're dating and.

1339
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: People are coming up to them during meals and being

1340
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: like can I get a picture, he was looking at

1341
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: it like disrespect, Like what the fuck? Like we're eating,

1342
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: what the It don't matter that she's someone bouts respect

1343
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: her as a human being. And she would be like, yeah,

1344
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: you can have a picture, no problem, blah blah blah.

1345
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: And he's like, yes, she taught me how to like

1346
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: let that shit go, and that is, you know, to

1347
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: be grateful for it because this this is like part

1348
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: of the experience of what we're doing. Right, So, like

1349
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: I said, the idea that he just is now, look

1350
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, and the people that are taking it

1351
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: the worst way, all right, And he's harboring a rush

1352
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: an amazing level of disrespect. He's the most slick, talking

1353
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: his ass like pretend to love her, but really he's.

1354
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 2: Been lying the whole time. He knew who she was.

1355
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: But I just feel like to get to that point,

1356
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: you had to have been on the internet arguing so

1357
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: much that you can only accept one way, right, and

1358
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: you gotta be right.

1359
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 2: Everyone got to.

1360
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 4: Be wrong, including some moan bows and him right. But

1361
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 4: you do quote unquote doing this for her.

1362
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I definitely get it.

1363
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: It's definitely triggering when men talk in certain phrases and

1364
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: say certain shit.

1365
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: I get it.

1366
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: We've seen men downplay women, norly not like to me.

1367
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: That's another reason I think it wasn't meant to downplay

1368
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: or that, because no, only niggas don't do that shit

1369
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: today woman face in front of everybody like like, I

1370
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe he's some ike turner ass diabolical nigga,

1371
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: but it just didn't feel.

1372
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 2: Like he was my chance.

1373
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 3: Only time will tell.

1374
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said, I'm I ain't unlike a

1375
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: lot of motherfuckers. I'm open to being wrong correct, Like

1376
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm open to like, Okay, a few years from now,

1377
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: she comes out and goes, actually, he was a piece

1378
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: of shit, And I go, I guess y'all was right,

1379
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: he's a piece of shit. I'm just saying I didn't

1380
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 1: get it from that, And their responses seemed to be

1381
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: that of people who are like that were that's not

1382
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: what happened, right, So that's really all I wanted to

1383
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: talk about you know, because I thought I could give

1384
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: a different perspective on it, then what you're gonna get

1385
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: probably ninety nine percent of places.

1386
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

1387
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: And also I didn't want to do the like and

1388
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: I hope we haven't done the hour of like. Y'all

1389
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: niggas is miserable your piece of shit? You don't you

1390
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: not happy, so they can't be happy. I didn't say

1391
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: none of that, So don't right up here acting like

1392
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: we said that, because I've I've seen people going back

1393
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: and forth saying shit like that.

1394
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 2: I think it's totally.

1395
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 1: Reasonable and logical to have been triggered by what you

1396
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 1: saw and maybe through a lot of arguing or whatever,

1397
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth, ended up in a

1398
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: place where you're so extreme to the like this is

1399
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: a terrible man.

1400
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: I think it's I can see how it happened.

1401
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I agree with it or that I

1402
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: would like to go down that path.

1403
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 2: But I can see how that happened.

1404
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: But we have not got on here and disrespected anybody,

1405
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: regardless of their opinion is about this.

1406
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 2: So do not right up here projecting onto us some.

1407
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: Shit we did not say, because I've seen you do

1408
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: it for a week now seem like a week is

1409
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 1: long enough.

1410
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 2: It can die down a bit.

1411
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: Me and Karen can get on here and talk about

1412
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 1: it without everybody losing their fucking mind. The chat room

1413
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: seems very reasonable. Everybody, you know, everybody seem cool. So

1414
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: let's just let's just keep it cool everybody. Okay, we

1415
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: may or may not do a feedback show this week.

1416
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: We'll see, you know, but just keep it, just keep

1417
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: it logical and keep it germane to the topics that

1418
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: were discussed here.

1419
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 2: We're not bringing up no extra shit, okay.

1420
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 4: And like I said, and it's one of those things

1421
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 4: when you stop talking about relationships and all this stuff,

1422
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 4: like you say, people have their on internal insecurities and they.

1423
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 3: Hear what they want to hear regardless of what you say.

1424
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, I had somebody that I'm but

1425
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: for ours, I know, pretty cool with, like we always

1426
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: get along on social And all I asked was how

1427
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: old would he have been during those tweets because it

1428
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: seemed like he would have been like a teenager and

1429
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: it was a medium like.

1430
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 2: This is what y'all was always reaching to describe. And

1431
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: then I was like, hey, I'm not in this right

1432
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 2: you could.

1433
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 3: That's the tenor of the.

1434
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: Conversation that is quote unquote conversation that's happening on Twitter

1435
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: and Facebook and all these places.

1436
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 2: I'm not even interested in that conversation.

1437
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 4: No, because the conversations like that, I fruitless. Conversation like

1438
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 4: that I pointless.

1439
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know y'all, and you don't know me, and.

1440
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't know these people nearly enough to be confident

1441
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: in calling you out like I didn't say because I

1442
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: could have been out there y'all miserable, y'all want I

1443
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: didn't say that because I don't necessarily believe that.

1444
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: I think, I think what happens in man. I've been

1445
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 2: feeling this way a lot lately.

1446
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: But a lot of times I can kind of see

1447
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: where people are coming from because so much of the

1448
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: context is just driven from our own experiences.

1449
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, like uh, this, we wasn't playing I'm

1450
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 2: talking about this.

1451
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: But with the Taraji p Henson Oprah thing, I don't

1452
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,839
Speaker 1: know how many people are up on this, but Taraji

1453
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: p Henson was.

1454
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 2: She went super viral. She's done several interviews during the

1455
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 2: press tour for the Color Purple.

1456
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: Because the Color Purple is coming out so they take

1457
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: all the actors and they all do press toward shot

1458
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 1: to y'all that don't know is based on the musical

1459
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 1: play The Color Purple, based on the book The Color Purple.

1460
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: That's been getting mad that it's music in it and

1461
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: getting mad that Shug kissed seely.

1462
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 3: I was like, did y'all see the original?

1463
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 2: Well yeah, they they mad.

1464
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, you have a whole generation that

1465
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 4: was not born and they like the fuck.

1466
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 2: Is and it's not based on the movie.

1467
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: So it's like they got different anyway experiences, right, My

1468
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: point being, Taragi p Henson was doing these interviews now

1469
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 1: to Rogi, p Henson has been very open. I believe

1470
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: she even held a con at one point about mental health.

1471
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: She's talked about her struggles with depression. Okay, so she

1472
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: was doing these on this circuit and she brought up

1473
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: in multiple interviews how she has been underpaid since she

1474
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 1: did Proud Mary.

1475
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 4: And that's been a hot Proud Mary was the last

1476
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 4: time me and Roger went to the theaters to see that.

1477
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: Proud Mary was the last time she said her rate

1478
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: went up, meaning what that was twenty eighteen is now

1479
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: seven years after that, right, No, five years after that,

1480
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: she has not had an increase in her rate. Now

1481
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: you go look at her IMDb. That woman works. She

1482
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: stays working, starting several films, everything. But she been making

1483
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: the same thing since twenty eighteen, and who knows when

1484
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: she got an increase before that.

1485
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 2: She had a team.

1486
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: She had to let the team go at the Empire

1487
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: because as much as Empire was a huge like boon

1488
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: for her, the money and nothing changed, right, and so

1489
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: they didn't capitalize. Her team didn't capitalize off of her

1490
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 1: success on Empire, you know, the award nods.

1491
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 2: And all that stuff. So she was like, y'all have

1492
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: to go. She had to get a whole.

1493
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 4: New team, right, because y'all whole job is to be

1494
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 4: out here grinding for on my behalf. Right.

1495
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: She also talked about her money and how you see

1496
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: the money headline, the money you know whatever Forbes tells

1497
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: you somebody's net worth is and shit, And she's like,

1498
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: but I gotta split that with so many people in

1499
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: my team. And because of the pressures, especially on black

1500
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: women in that game, Taraji can't never be not on point.

1501
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: Taraji can't go on ig Live with no makeup, no hair,

1502
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: no no wardrobe, and y'all wouldn't accept it, y'all would

1503
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: clown the fuck out of her. So like she now

1504
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: has to be on point all the time. That's money, money, money, money, money, agents,

1505
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: all that, lawyers, all this stuff. So she's going into

1506
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: the economics of it.

1507
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 2: Right.

1508
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 1: Then an out of context clip of the cast of

1509
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: the Color Purple taking a photo I believe, on top

1510
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: of the.

1511
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 2: Empire State Building.

1512
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: It was like they were all just lining up to

1513
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: take a photo, but someone was taking a video of

1514
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: them lining up to take the photo.

1515
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 3: Okay, so they was giving to take a photo, right.

1516
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: So first oprahstas next to Taraji, who people are saying, like,

1517
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: she looked, you know, sad and all this stuff. I'm

1518
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: not getting into that part whatever. You know, it's look

1519
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 1: cold out there too.

1520
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 3: But yeah, you would look grumpy cold too.

1521
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: But Oprah was stood next to her kind of in

1522
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: the center of the picture. But then as Fantasia all

1523
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: these other people start coming into the picture, Oprah removes

1524
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: herself from the center and puts herself on the end

1525
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: of it. People immediately said that's because Taragi is mad

1526
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: at Oprah because Oprah didn't pay her enough for this film,

1527
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: and it is Oprah herself that didn't do it, not

1528
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: the production coming, not the studio, if there's even just

1529
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: she should have known Toagi wouldn't be happy with the

1530
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: money and stepped in regardless of Taraji Crin in interviews

1531
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: and this being how we found out somehow Oprah should

1532
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 1: have preternaturally just had Black Girls magic sense known this

1533
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,759
Speaker 1: woman wasn't feeling like she was being paid enough. Since

1534
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: Proud Mary, I just she's not crying about this film.

1535
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 1: Since Proud Mary, I think she's having a moment. Or

1536
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: what it seemed to me was for her expressions in

1537
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: the interview, I'm at the precipice of like an oscar possibly,

1538
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: and I'm underpaid and I don't.

1539
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 2: Feel right without telling people about this struggle.

1540
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: You know that, And that's to me, And like I said,

1541
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: that's the most charitable way cynically you could be like.

1542
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 2: This is part of the promotion for her.

1543
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: It's how you get an oscar, because this will make

1544
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: headlines of like look at this, because narratives help with oscars.

1545
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: You know, look at this poor, down trying black woman

1546
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: that's put in all this work and she don't get

1547
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: the same love that the white actresses do. Maybe it's

1548
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: time for her to get an oscar. This is her

1549
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: movie what she gets an oscar? Right, I'm not saying

1550
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: I believe that, but I'm just trying to cover all

1551
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: the bases, right. The other one I heard was this

1552
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: could just be her way of putting pressure on Hollywood

1553
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: and Oprah to pay her more money. Right, well, anyway,

1554
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: And like I said, I don't believe that's what happened.

1555
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: I just I think a lot of stuff is happening

1556
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: at the same time, and she's going through it. So

1557
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: Twitter starts immediately going in on Oprah because that's what

1558
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: the fuck niggas love to do. They live to tell

1559
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 1: you Oprah and shit, you know, fuck her story, Fuck

1560
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: fuck her. She's not generational wealth, she's she's coming from

1561
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: all the shit, all the trauma that rappers come from.

1562
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:29,679
Speaker 2: She came from too.

1563
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: But she's supposed to be perfect because she's a black

1564
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: woman and she made a lot of money, so she

1565
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,719
Speaker 1: need to be better than every other black woman period

1566
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: and every other person period. I always felt like the

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01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: double standard on Oprah was kind of weird and whack,

1568
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. People think that holding

1569
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 1: black people that make a lot of money to the

1570
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: same standards they will hold a white person too.

1571
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 2: Is progress. I'm from the South, so I don't believe

1572
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 2: that me either.

1573
01:17:54,080 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: But but I think it's funny because she Taraji p

1574
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: Henson was basically forced to go on Twitter. Not forced,

1575
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: but she went on Twitter. She chose to go on

1576
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: Twitter to tell everybody, Oprah's been nothing but the fucking best.

1577
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 1: She's been the best of everybody in actress, to everybody

1578
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: who works on it.

1579
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 2: She's been gracious towards and she said, all I had.

1580
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: To do was make one phone call, one phone call

1581
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 1: from Oprah, and all my problems were solved.

1582
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it was a check. I

1583
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 2: don't know if it was what. I don't know what.

1584
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: Happened, but she had to come out and tell people

1585
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: this ain't about Oprah. But my thing is, if you

1586
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: listen to what she was saying the whole time, it

1587
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: was never about Oprah Ude. She's talking about an industry.

1588
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 3: It's a systemic problem.

1589
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 2: You know what.

1590
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: Oprah and her harp Old productions are the exception.

1591
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 2: Yes, they're the exception.

1592
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: They're the one place where a black woman has enough

1593
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: power and is in a position to hear your sob

1594
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: stories a fellow black woman and be like, oh, whoa, whoa,

1595
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: we need to take care of her. You know, when

1596
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: she was doing that movie with Brad Pitt. They ain't

1597
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: give a fuck and they never will. So like it's

1598
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: that double edged black shit, where like Oprah catches hell

1599
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: for being black in this industry and doing the thing

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01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: and having the compassion that white people don't have, but

1601
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 1: it's never enough because it can't fix the whole industry. Right,

1602
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,799
Speaker 1: she hadn't had a RA since twenty eighteen. Now it's

1603
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,759
Speaker 1: now the singularly Oprah's fault. We let every white production

1604
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: company she worked for off the goddamn chain immediately. No,

1605
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: that's just how that's supposed to be. But a black

1606
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: woman should have took care of you. And then when

1607
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: she did, we go I don't believe it because I

1608
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 1: saw that too. She put out the Instagram and immediately

1609
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 1: people like y'all.

1610
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: Don't believe it.

1611
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: So then same thing with the John do Owns thing.

1612
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: You're being informed by a bunch of other shit. It

1613
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter what the truth is. You have your

1614
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: own truth. It's the me search truth, which is opening shit.

1615
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 1: She never gonna be shit, and anything bad about her

1616
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: I believe, anything good about her I won't believe. And

1617
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: the only thing good about her is Stebman doesn't do interviews.

1618
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 2: That's it like that, that's what we're supposed to do,

1619
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: you know.

1620
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was funny because the yeah, like someone

1621
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: brother in chat, the body language experts jumped.

1622
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 2: Out and all this shit. It's just.

1623
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: The amount of projection that is just happening. It's just

1624
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,719
Speaker 1: so it's so astounding and sad.

1625
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's something that we all have within ourselves.

1626
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 4: But sometimes you have to check yourself and be like, hey, what.

1627
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 3: Is causing this? Is just something triggering me?

1628
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 4: I need to address thee But that's when you get

1629
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 4: to that deeper thinking and like you say, thinking outside

1630
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 4: of a very binary, childlike view of emotions and love

1631
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 4: and just interacting with shit. And for a lot of

1632
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 4: people who said this before, a lot of people, particularly

1633
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 4: if you spend a lot of extensive period of time

1634
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 4: on social media. Something that I found out and it

1635
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 4: might not be true for everybody. Most people to do that,

1636
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 4: it's a distraction from something. If you're spending this much

1637
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 4: time argument with people across and a lot of these

1638
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 4: people they argue with people on TikTok Instagram, they don't

1639
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 4: argue a lot of times on one site. They go

1640
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 4: across all of the sites, and they're fucking on YouTube

1641
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 4: like they're everywhere, consistently drowning themselves in this baby, you're

1642
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 4: distracting yourself from something that you need to address.

1643
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: I think we, like I said, I mean, I think

1644
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: we kind of discussed the one of the things I

1645
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about.

1646
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, take a breath, mm hmm, think about it,

1647
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 2: take a break. You know, it's okay.

1648
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 4: It's okay not to be online all time. It's okay

1649
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 4: not to be quote unquote owned all the time.

1650
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: I think, like I said, if people still arrived at

1651
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: those conclusions, that's all them. I'm not gonna I'm not

1652
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: trying to argue what I'm just giving our perspective on them.

1653
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: But I think it says something about how much this

1654
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: environment lends itself to those conclusions, how much people run

1655
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:01,879
Speaker 1: with them, how much.

1656
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 2: Proof doesn't matter, truth doesn't matter.

1657
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: Somebody else telling you this is not what I meant,

1658
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: this is not what I said, this is not what happened.

1659
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.

1660
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: Their reality doesn't matter because our reality has become our

1661
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 1: own currency, and we rather have that than let people

1662
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: have some level of truth, you know. Yes, And it's

1663
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: not that no one's ever lyned, no one's ever getting over.

1664
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 2: Sometimes people are that's the plot on line. It happens,

1665
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 2: you know.

1666
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's people that that I'm like, Oh, that

1667
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,759
Speaker 1: motherfucker probably line. I'm sure you know TJ. TJ and Amy,

1668
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: I'll be like them. Muggas is definitely line. So I'm

1669
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 1: not saying it on some I can't relate ship. I

1670
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: just think in this case we don't really have as

1671
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: much to go on as other cases, you know.

1672
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 2: So, but uh, yeah, I hope y'all enjoyed.

1673
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 1: This is a weird kind of episode of just talking

1674
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: and told you it wouldn't be too long, although we

1675
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: did go hour and twenty so that's good. Look, that's

1676
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: a good that's a good amount of time. So yeah,

1677
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: we'll talk to y'all, uh later on. Until then, I

1678
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 1: love you.

1679
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 3: I love you too.

1680
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah,