WEBVTT - Part One: Kellogg: The Great American Cum Doctor 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:09.160 What I don't know, uh, sexually abusing my children through 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:14.480 breakfast cereals. Yeah yeah, I'm Robert Evans. This is behind 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.600 the Bastards and we're talking this this, this is an 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:22.599 episode that's got to go in some bad places, dark places. Miles, 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:31.280 how are you? I'm so sorry, Miat Miles here. How 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:37.560 do you feel about cereal? Um, the like grain breakfast thing? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:39.640 the concept of the thing that you can like pour 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.199 into a bowl at milk Yeah, right right? Love you know, 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.080 love it. Loved it as a child. Don't don't have time, 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:47.760 don't have time for it. Now it's an adult. Really 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.479 really don't have time for cereal? You know what it is? 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.480 I have, Like I go through streaks, so I'll open 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.160 a box of cereal and then this ship is like 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.840 stale because I didn't eat it, like within however long, 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.639 I never want more than about a bowl. I mean, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:02.600 I'll do Like what happens is I'm high at the 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.280 grocery store and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna eat rice 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.160 crispy treat cereal, and I'll eat like a half a 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.880 mixing bowl worth, and then I'll be so just disgusted 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.840 because I used half and half as the milk that 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.440 I put the cereal in the back st and then 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.960 I'm like non and it it calls to me. Yeah, 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.320 I mean, I'm this. I was the same way back 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.679 when I smoked pot. Those were my cereal days because 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:27.600 I would I would. I would show up at like 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:29.959 one of those twenty five hour grocery stores at one 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.039 thirty in the morning, and I would buy the largest 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.640 thing of marshmallow cereal and I would sit with a 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.920 giant bole and a bong watching Star Trek the Next 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.479 Generation and the eating and it was and it ruled 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.480 some great memories of those days. Um, how do you 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:49.440 feel about granola? Um? I My first thought is just 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:54.960 a slang, you know, pejorative for hippies, you know, granola, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.600 But the food I like it. Talking. Are we talking 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:04.080 like like bar are we talking? I mean, any any 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.440 granola based product? Do you do a lot with granola? 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:11.920 I think we can all agree, versatile Nature, Valley, Fanny yogurt. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:17.320 Yeah yeah, but really, thing, I'm sorry that my I'm 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.240 so awkward. I mean, not only am I high, but 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.600 like knowing you, I just don't like the path you're 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.560 walking me down. Yeah, it's because it's just it's always 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.840 just so fucked up, and you started, that's a serial 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:34.120 talking about Robert. Serial serial killers, not serial killers. Worse 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.480 than a serial killer. Though. The fun thing about today's episode, Miles, 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.519 is that the bastard we're talking about has either helped 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.720 to invent or popularize a variety of products that I'm 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.480 going to guess about a hundred percent of the people 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.880 listening to the show have enjoyed. So everyone listening this 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.520 to this has benefited in some way from something this 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.799 man either invented or popularized. Uh. Now, the guy we're 0:02:55.840 --> 0:03:00.400 talking about was also a hugely prominent eugenicist and a 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:05.080 prolific advocate of female genital mutilation. Um so yeah, we 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:10.560 are this is gonna be like the elevators. Yeah, we 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:21.079 are talking about John Harvey Kellogg. I feel like, I mean, 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.720 because I know vaguely, like it's all very fucking people. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.080 Most people have heard little bits of this. It's like 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.480 he's like, Yo, here's some sex shit and he made 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.480 corn flakes to stop kids from fucking. Yeah, Like that's 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.560 like one of the things I'm that you know, I 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.440 hear everyone and from the cracked orbit here, I've heard 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:42.080 that sort of line many times from it's much deeper 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:46.880 and much worse than that. Okay, uh yeah, yeah. So 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:49.680 before we started on his life, we need to give 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.840 a little bit of background about where this guy came from, 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.280 because there's a lot of different strains of thought in 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.400 in the American uh mind that kind of led to 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.640 the birth of John Harvey Kellogg as the person that 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:05.280 he became. Um, do you know much about Seventh Day Adventismuh? Yeah, 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.120 I know a little bit about s d A. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.480 I mean, but not much like I just know about like, uh, 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.600 you know, they're they give out food, they give out food. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.000 They believe that Saturday, not Sunday, is the Lord's Day, 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.040 that's the Seventh Day part and they you know, they 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.080 believe the apocalypse is imminent, and they kind of have 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.440 for a long time. Yeah, okay, right, right right. That's 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.800 which today is like half of the religious right. But 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.200 back in it when they came about was kind of 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.600 a new idea. Some of them also believe that going 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.560 to doctors is evil. That's not like a mainstream belief necessarily, 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.479 but it's like a trend through Seventh Day Adventist thought. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.280 And we're gonna talk about why for a little bit. So, 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.000 the Seventh day Adventists are are a miller Wite sect, 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.760 and the miller Wites were a religious movement that started 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:55.120 in eighteen sixteen. Whenever Vermont farmer named William Miller converted 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.719 from being kind of like a skeptical deist, like a 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.440 lot like like Ben Franklin, right, Like, that's the guy 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.440 he got. He got killed hard on the Baptist faith 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:08.400 and um because he was this kind of rational skeptic guy. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.600 Once he became a believer, he had to believe that 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:16.000 the Bible was fundamentally rational and internally consistent. Now it's not. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.320 So you can see how this would be a problem 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:22.480 for him or how this would lead to problems. Um. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.440 So he set to work trying to prove the inherent 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.160 rationality of the Bible, and this very quickly led him 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.640 to a bad place. After about two years of this, 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.520 he'd gone full conspiracy corkboard Pepe Sylvia on the whole 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.120 issue and convinced himself that the Bible was filled with 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.919 numerical clues hidden in different books that revealed the exact 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.200 date and time of the apocalypse. He's the first guy 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.839 to do this, like biblical numerology. He's like that there's 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:48.440 a hidden date if you is he like one of 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.560 the first who's like one of the first sort of 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.960 conspiratorial numerologists. Like, I don't know if he's one of 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.680 the freaking new ground to be like there's code in here. Yeah, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.920 there's hidden numbers in the Bible that predict the end time. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.600 He's like, I think pretty much the first guy who 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.520 does good for him. Yeah, I know, right, goods sold 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.080 in a weird way. If I was at Sea Pack, 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.359 I think I would drop that if that was like 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.600 I was, you know, I was the first guy to 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.400 start counting the number of letters and words and verses 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.279 of the Bible. Actually, no, mother, that's actually my great 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:25.640 grandfather to check Wikipedia. Dude, don't tell me about secret 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:29.279 Bible codes. My family in vinced secret Bible codes. Oh 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.760 my god, Hey Bill, this guys trying to tell me 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:39.960 about biblical fucking numerology. Me. I imagine the Miller's moved 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.080 from Vermont to New York at some point they're just like, yeah, 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:48.520 then they're in the elevator's union. Yeah. So, unlike everyone 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.200 at Sea Pack, Miller was not a grifter. He was 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.360 a he did believe in all of this. He wasn't 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.960 like trying to get rich, and he waited a lot. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.120 Once he became convinced he'd figured out the date of 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.440 the end of the world, he waited years to share 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.560 his discovery with people because he didn't want to like 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.839 create a panic. He decided the world was going to 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.760 end in eighteen forty three, and as the year approached, 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.640 he started to grow convinced that and like heard voices 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.160 and stuff got God wanted him to warn people, right, 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.520 So he keeps quiet for a while, but decides, like 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.880 God wants me to tell people the end is coming 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.640 so they can have their souls saved. So in eighteen 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.920 thirty one he starts preaching and giving public speeches laying 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.720 out his work, which was convincing to a lot of people, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.240 because back then, if you knew what numbers were, you 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.880 seemed like a genius to at least half of the population, 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.280 So a lot of people get get pulled in on this. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.520 Miller taught his growing circle of followers that everyone who 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.560 wasn't saved when the in date came would be incinerated 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.720 along with the entire planet. He started preaching in Dresden, 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.280 New York, and he soon hired an effective publicist and 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.000 was giving speeches up and down the East coast by 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.600 eighteen forty years so he had a newspaper called The 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.040 Signs of the Times, which he used to spread his 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.520 beliefs and mass to audiences whould never have been able 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.840 to hear him speak. His actual number of followers was 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.760 probably in the low tens of thousands, but Miller's ideas 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.800 were influential and widely discussed in the popular culture of 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.320 the day. The mainstream press wrote about his theories regularly. 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.240 As eighteen forty three drew nie, people started to ask, Hey, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.160 what win exactly in eighteen forty three should we expect 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.440 all life on earth to end? The fireball? Now? Miller's 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:26.640 answer was precise, but not super accurate. Um he said 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:30.000 that it would occur in the Jewish year eighteen forty three, 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.240 which was apparently between March one, eighteen forty three and 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:37.400 March eighteen forty four. I don't know enough about Judaism 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.439 to tell you if that is the actual Jewish year 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:44.560 of eighteen thirty three. Uh So that's what he said, Yeah, 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.840 it's it's it's way far ahead. It seems wrong to me, 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.200 but I that's what he was telling people at least. Ye, yeah, 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.240 because I think right now it's in the Hebrew years 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.560 fifty seven eighty one. Yeah. See, I I think he was. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.280 I don't think he knew my about Judius Sam. He 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.960 got away with that ship, but no one did. No 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.600 one in America did back then. You know. I love that, 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.040 you know, because like that would be I think, what 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:14.280 fifties six so three? Yeah, no, no, no, it's the Jewish, 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:20.240 Like what the just March? Yeah, like he's up, bro, 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.400 that's wild. Oh you know Jewish people, they love March, 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.680 big month. Yeah, okay, fine, that's like when you know 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.160 the first time that when you switch up calendars on 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.080 someone for like the arrival date, that everyone should be like, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.720 this is ship but okay maybe this was. Yeah. So, 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.319 um spoilers here, Miles, in case you haven't gotten to 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.200 the end of your eighteen forty three history book. But 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:46.240 the world did not end that year. Um, not that 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:51.760 I'm aware of, um signs point to know. Um. So yeah. 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.320 The fact that all life didn't end in in in 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.600 fire was a bummer for Miller and his followers, But 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.000 being a humble man, he was the kind of person 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.920 who was willing to admit that he had screwed up 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.080 on his counting and missed the exact date of the apocalypse. 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.199 Even so, he insisted the end was still very much nigh. 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.040 He just like flipped a digit or two. So he 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.280 kept on preaching, and his followers mostly stayed dedicated to 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.599 the message. One of them, a fellow named Samuel Snow, 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.880 did his own calculations and suggested an alternate date for 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:26.040 the end of all things October eighteen forty four, which 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.360 he said was the Jewish day of Atonement. And again, 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.880 I don't know if it was, um, but that's what 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.560 he said. Uh. Many Adventists clung to this in order 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.679 to have hope that they'd been right all along. When 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:40.199 October twenty two passed without everyone and everything dying, they 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:44.640 were heartbroken. And he's a tough time for them. Um. Now, 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.200 the miller Wites were definitely kind of a cult. But 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.080 it has to be said William Miller himself seems to 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.559 have been a guy, like a decent person who truly 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.400 believed when he was preaching. Because when two end times 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.360 dates passed without the times ending, he was consumed by 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.360 shame and he spent the rest of his life hiding 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:06.360 from the world. That's good. Oh man, that that's dope. 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:10.560 That's that's dope. That's great. That's what you're supposed to do. 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.600 That's what scumbags of honor used to do. I mean, 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:19.360 the jig was up and off. You thought the world 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.800 was ending. You were wrong. You spent the rest of 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:27.040 your life hiding in your basement. Yeah. And to his followers, 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.640 which had sort of one of the things people call 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:34.320 them was Adventists. To the Adventists, this failed apocalypse prediction 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.960 became known as the Great Disappointment. So they're real bummed 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.720 out about this. But while William Miller had the good 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.480 graces to hide his face from the world when he 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.959 was proven wrong, the movement he had spawned did not 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.880 die out as a result of the Great Disappointment. In fact, 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.280 it seemed to have only grown stronger in the face 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.160 of unequinical proof that its founder was wrong about everything. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.640 Adventists kept having meetings and kept trying to figure out 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.400 when the world was going to end. In eighteen forty eight, 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.319 Ellen White and her husband some Guy, attended a conference 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.160 of Adventists in rural New York. This was a year 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.040 before William Miller's death and about five years after he'd 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.320 gone into hiding, so things were not going great for 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.600 the Adventists. In the main topic of debate for the 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.760 conference that year was whether or not Miller's prophecies had 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.200 even been real. Right. Obviously, the date had been wrong, 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.160 but like, was he completely full of ship or did 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.960 he just like mess up some numbers a couple of times? 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.840 Um so, yeah. One chunk of the Adventists argued that 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.400 Miller had been right and that Christ had come back 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.120 on October forty four, but that he had done so 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.959 in spiritual form and he hadn't destroyed the world. Um 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:43.319 so he was right about the date, but Jesus did 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:48.880 it invisibly said nobody noticed? Fuck yes, And that's a 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:55.200 good ship. That's some twe logic, Like, that's the logic 0:12:55.280 --> 0:13:00.480 that dictates all life in America today. That cutting edge, amazing, 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.440 and people took that ship. That's when it's a rap. 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.120 That's some Joe Biden and Trump switched faces and Trump 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:13.560 is still the president likely, Oh my god, unbelievable invisibly. Yeah, 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:15.880 that makes ye like like if I had been at 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.199 that meeting, I would have just stood up and started 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.800 clapping like you you did it. You invented America. You 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:28.040 motherfuck are you beautiful? Bats? Oh? I was there, I 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:34.680 was there. Shirts fucking logic failed forever. This is the 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:42.640 breaking of the world. Yeah, so good, So another Oh 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:46.200 my God, and again, and then it's continued by people 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.880 who are unwilling to admit they're wrong. So not it 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:53.440 becomes a religion because this group ego is unrelenting. It's 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.599 so good. But now it was like, but how do 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.040 they live so long? I want that eventually this will 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.400 terminate in somebody firing new clear warheads into the sky 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.320 because invisible aliens are molesting our children or something, and 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:06.920 that will be the end of all life on earth. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.880 And it's going to be very funny in the last 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:13.360 like four and a half seconds. Um. So, there was 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.559 another sect at the meeting, led by a guy named 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.240 Hiram Edson, and they taught that the date Miller had 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.400 calculated was the date of a heavenly event, not a 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.720 terrestrial event, and that Christ had destroyed sin within what 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.440 they called the Heavenly Sanctuary, which I think is basically 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.160 heaven in eighteen forty three in order to prepare his 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.240 way to his return to Earth. Um. This became known 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.240 as the Sanctuary doctrine, and it basically argued that Christ 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.080 had gotten caught up in cleaning up heaven and it 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.360 had delayed him from landing on Earth and destroying all 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.720 life in in in hell fire. Um. So both of 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.080 the explanations are invisible. Things happened and we were right, 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.960 but it was invisible. They actually go against even what 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:57.200 the beliefs are of, like what they believe Christ to be, God, 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:01.600 to be omnipotent, omniscient, omni because it seems that way. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:05.760 So if you are omniscient, you're all knowing, all powerful 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.760 and fucking everywhere and nowhere and all of that ship 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.960 at once. You're like, hey, motherfucker, hold up, man, I 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:16.040 gotta clean some ship up. It's gonna fucking a little bit. Man, 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.640 there's some problems if you only fucking new. I'm serious, 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.800 if you only fucking new, I won't even tell y'all, 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.520 but I'll be there in a second. I'd be like, dude, 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:30.160 I think Christ has a drug problem or something like 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.040 what the fun is going on? It's always what is 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.840 he doing? Is he like? Is he just doing a 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.400 bunch of k every night? And waking up six hours later. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.840 Things does he does? He walk around with a spray 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:45.040 bottle in a flash leg trying to find always shooting 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:53.080 up his nose. I think we've both known about four Jesus. Yeah, 0:15:53.680 --> 0:16:01.360 I'm familiar with Christ. Here with Christ. Oh God. So 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.360 so this meeting goes on, and as I said, Ellen 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.360 White is there this lady Ellen White who as a 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.640 little bit of a heads up in her early childhood, 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.920 had a traumatic brain injury. This will become relevant later. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.120 So Ellen White is listening to these two different sects 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.520 debate at this conference, and she has a vision, and 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.760 I will remind you she also has a traumatic brain injury. 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.960 And she has this vision, which she becomes convinced as 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.440 a prophecy from God tells her that the sanctuary doctrine 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.720 is correct. So basically here him goes up on stage 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.600 and proposes this theory, and then she shouts out, God 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.440 just told me you're right, and I'm a prophet. Now 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.880 from this point forward, Ellen and her husband are like 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.760 become major fixtures within the Adventist movement. And she starts 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.520 predicting dates for the coming earthly apocalypse and these dates 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.680 are all wrong. But by this point Miller Wrights were 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.640 used to their profits being wrong, and it didn't hurt 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.760 her credibility in any way. By eighteen fifty, she made 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.560 the very wise decision to urge her fellow adventists to 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.400 stop predicting the exact date of the end of the world, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:04.119 which is a good call. Um. So that's where we 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.240 are now. I'm leaving some stuff out, but that's the 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.960 gist of the Ellen White story. Yeah that's good, I mean, 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:14.040 somewhat responsible, getting people real hot and ready, and then 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.239 just you're like, you know what, let's not do that. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.560 Still that for a second. I can be wrong about this, 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.520 I can't be wrong about other things. Yeah, I like that. 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:27.960 You know what? God just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah? What 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.000 how you didn't see it? That should just fucking happened. 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:35.920 Just happened. How fucking dare you even? Like, what were 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.199 you about to say? Because I'm telling you that's what 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:43.760 God just said? Okay, asshole? So and what was a 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.840 great move From a branding standpoint, Ellen basically argued that 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.080 all Adventists needed to know was that the end was 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.120 coming soon, and their job was to bring as many 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.800 people as possible to Christ before that time. Proselyzation became 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.760 an increasingly huge deal from this point forward. One of 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.360 the hotspots from miller Wite recruitment is Michigan, and that's 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:05.679 where in eighteen fifty two an adventist Michigan is the 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.000 West at this point, it's where people are moving. It's 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.920 like the big, exciting new place, and it's also kind 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.200 of like, you know, people, the reason white colonizers came 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.920 to the North America in the first place was like 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.399 they believed also, it's a weird religious ship that like 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.040 wasn't quite cool over in Europe, so they came here 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.800 to do their weird religious ship. And then when people 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.000 had weird religious ideas in the new United States, that 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:29.840 kind of moved to Michigan to do it because it 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.320 was off the beaten past, like makes a lot of 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.119 my relatives make a lot more sense. That is the 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.960 birth of Michigan as people being like, you know, we're 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.400 a little bit too weird for the eastern seaboard. Let's 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.679 let's move Inland a little bit. Yeah, you know what, 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.520 maybe we should go over here for a little bit. 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:46.680 I don't think it's gonna work over here. I think 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.320 all the snow and big lakes will will make it 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.640 real easy for us to to believe weird things about Jesus. 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.000 So man who's just a little bit busy right now, 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:02.240 he'll be back in one moment, even gets busy. In 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:06.080 eighteen fifty two, an Adventist named Merritt Cornell converted a 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.560 Fellon named John Preston Kellogg, who was the subject of 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.840 today's episode. The Kellogg family had moved to Michigan in 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.359 the early eighteen forties, and their early years were pretty 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.920 standard for white colonizers in the era. John's first wife, Mary, 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.800 had died of typhoid or consumption or some weird old 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.159 time as she died horribly. John himself went through a 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.760 series of religious conversions because there's all these weird, little 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.200 different niche faiths in Michigan. Uh And in eighteen fifty two, 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.639 though he settles on Seventh Day Adventism, things being what 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.120 they were back then, his family converted with him because 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.919 they didn't really have any other choice, And on February 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.520 eighteen fifty two, his family came to include a little 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:48.639 baby named John Harvey Kellogg. Now, John Harvey's earliest memories 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.840 would have heavily involved the Adventist faith. In eighteen fifty five, 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.520 his father pledged three hundred dollars, which is a lot 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.560 of money in those days, to help start up the 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:00.000 first Adventist printing press in Michigan, because again, putting out magazine, 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.480 beans and pamphlets is a big part of the Adventist faith. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.840 That's how they recruit people. So he worked directly with 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.200 James White, who's the husband of Ellen White, who was 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.480 at that point basically the spiritual head of the faith. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.920 The press was established in Battle Creek, Michigan, a small 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.280 city with a reputation for being accepting of weird religious movements. 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.800 Making this pledge to fund the printing press inspired John 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.399 Preston Kellogg to move his family across the state to 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.680 Battle Creek. Little Johnny Kellogg was about four years old 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.200 when this happened, and he was one of sixteen children. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.880 Uh family finances were stretched in their very crowded household. 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.879 His father operated a broom factory, but any spare money 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.719 he had went to the church. His dad had a 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.399 strict work ethic, and he demanded the same from his kids. 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:46.160 John Harvey Kellogg later recalled his upbringing as sad and solemn, 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:50.280 which is some very Michigan. I'll say that, you know 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.600 sad and yeah, well it kind of sounds like a 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:55.760 bummer thing to be raised around as a kid, like 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.320 is there any fun if like you're just being like 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.040 fun when the apocalypse is coming and you have no 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.600 money because your dad spends it paying for the religion 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.080 to be able to make books because he's the shitty banksy. 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:12.120 Yeah yeah, ship Banksy. So uh. And he was also 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.080 pretty sick. John Harvey Kellogg was from most of his childhood. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.719 He had a bad diet, His family eight really unhealthily, 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:19.919 and he suffered from rickets for years. He grew up 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.399 small and thin. Uh. He would top out at just 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:24.919 five ft four, So he was he's not a healthy 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.520 little kid. Uh. And I'm gonna quote now from a 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.880 book titled John Harvey Kellogg and the Religion of Biologic 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:35.160 Living by Brian Wilson. Dr Brian Wilson quote. He would 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.760 compensate for his physical shortcomings by energy, assertiveness, and a 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.679 burning ambition to do something with his life, although he 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:43.560 knew this would not be easy for a boy on 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:47.199 the frontier. According to Kellogg's later recollections, his parents prevented 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:49.919 him from learning to read because given the imminence of 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:52.280 the end of the world, acquiring such skills would be 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:58.480 a waste of time. Yeah you need books. Yeah, oh no, 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.760 that's so fun. It's it's really you know what I 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:06.360 mean to have such a fucking cynical worldview where it's 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.760 like the world's ending, so honestly, like I can just 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:14.040