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Speaker 1: talking about Robert. Serial serial killers, not serial killers. Worse

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Speaker 1: his mother's question, John Harvey and some other boys had

425
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: pressed their faces against a neighbor's window to witness the

426
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: bloody spectacle of a local sawbones practicing his art on

427
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: one of their playmates lying on a kitchen table. In

428
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: the wake of this episode, Kellogg remembered, I abhorred the

429
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: idea of the medical profession. Did not like bad medicine

430
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: and the bloody surgery that just a few years later

431
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: the young boy would find himself a famous doctor and

432
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: a surgeon at that must have given the elderly Kellogg

433
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: a chuckle, for, in addition to his childhood discussed at

434
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: the sight of blood. He had been at at the

435
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: age eleven, nothing more than an undersized boy working in

436
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: his father's Battle Creek broom factory, distinguished only by his

437
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: exceptional manual dexterity sorting broomcorn, and the fact that his

438
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,719
Speaker 1: family belonged to his struggling apocalyptic sect significantly. Dr Kellogg

439
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: followed this memory with that of another. Shortly after his

440
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: mother asked him about his future in life, the boy

441
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: had come upon her praying for his future. I went

442
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: in and knelt down beside her, and she placed her

443
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: hand on my head as we knelt there, and she

444
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: dedicated me to the Lord for human service. So that's

445
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: kind of the pivotal moment of this kid's life. She

446
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: asked him what he wants to be. He says, I

447
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: don't want to be a doctor. And then a couple

448
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: of days later and he doesn't want to be a

449
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 1: doctor because he sees what doctors are doing in the

450
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: eighteen sixties pretty ugly. And then a few days later

451
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: he catches his mom praying and she like puts her

452
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: hand on him and dedicates him to serving the human race.

453
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: And God, Robert, you know who else will serve the

454
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: human race? And God. Definitely not Raytheon, absolutely not Raytheon.

455
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: Uhon's only motto is we do not serve God. Um,

456
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: it's time for some ads. It is time for an

457
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: added two, maybe three, maybe four. We're back, so uh yeah.

458
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: From that moment forward, his mom dedicates him to human service,

459
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: and Kellogg would later recall that basically, from that point forward,

460
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: he never had any desire but to serve the Lord

461
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: in the human race. He got his first chance about,

462
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, several months later, when James White noticed how

463
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: intelligent this kid was and asked him to come be

464
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: unpaid labor at the Adventist publishing house in town. John

465
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: Harvey became an apprentice, and he spent the next four

466
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: years being drawn closer and closer into the inner circle

467
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: of the Prophetess Ellen White. He was promoted rapidly, and

468
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: it kind of seems like they decided, this kid is

469
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: so smart, he's got to do something for the faith.

470
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: We're going to like groom him for leadership within within

471
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: our weird little apocalyptic colt um. He was promoted rapidly,

472
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: and by the time he was sixteen, he had been

473
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: made an editor of the Adventist newspaper. John Harvey loved religion,

474
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: and he particularly loved what most people would call the

475
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: boring niche de tails of theological debate. His love of

476
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: this brought him into direct contact with Ellen White, who

477
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: took a liking to him. Her husband eventually confided in

478
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: The Boy that his wife had received a vision from

479
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: God that John Harvey Kellogg was to play a crucial

480
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: role in the Lord's work. So you can kind of

481
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: see how this grooming process is going. Uh, yes, it's

482
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure for the Lord.

483
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: They're they're really putting a lot on this kid's shoulders.

484
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: And from age seventeen to twenty, John Harvey Kellogg continued

485
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: his work on The Adventist Review and Harold. He also

486
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: started teaching grammar school before he had actually finished high

487
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: school himself, which is I guess the thing you could

488
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: do back in those days. Uh, he was kids, Yeah,

489
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: while you're still in high school. Yeah, I'm about to

490
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: wrap that degree up. But here's the deal. Kids learn

491
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: letters here. Um. He was, by all accounts a good teacher,

492
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: and for several years it was clear to everyone that

493
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: John Harvey's future was going to lie in education. He

494
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: even told everyone he received a waking vision from God

495
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: that this was to be his calling. But when Johnny

496
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: was twenty, Ellen Whitehead herself yet another vision. This one

497
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: was that John Harvey Kellogg was going to become a physician.

498
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: So he wants to be a teacher. He really likes teaching.

499
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: He's this is the whole like thing he's he's patterning

500
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: his life for for years. And then the prophetess with

501
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: a brain injury sees God tell her this kid is

502
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: going to be a doctor, the thing he least wants

503
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: to be in the entire world. So this brings me

504
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: to another long digression, Miles, because physician meant meant a

505
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: different thing to Ellen white than it does to you

506
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: or me, and then it did to most people in

507
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: the United States when she said it, right, Yeah, how

508
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: when when you say doctor you imagine like a guy

509
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: who treats illnesses with a variety of medicines. Right, There's

510
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: no fucking way that there you have any other definition

511
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: that isn't a doctor dre or Dr Pepper. Joke of

512
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: what a fucking doctor is her Her definition of doctor

513
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: was a guy who gives people different kinds of baths. Yeah.

514
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: To explain why, Miles wants to talk about what we

515
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: have to talk about. An intellectual movement in America in

516
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: the mid eighteen hundreds called sectarian medicine. So medicine in

517
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 1: the early eighteen hundreds was mostly nonsense and poison, right.

518
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: We talked about this a lot on the show. UM,

519
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: But it's important to know that a lot of regular

520
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: people recognize that doctors were bad at their jobs, like

521
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: the fact that they were eighteen thirties medical treatments were

522
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: basically just bleeding people and feeding the mercury, and this

523
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: was bad and a lot of people at the time

524
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: we're like, kind of seems like the doctors don't do

525
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: anything to kill people, and then like something was wrong

526
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: with your like a cough and they saw your foot off.

527
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they're good at this. Um. Yeah,

528
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 1: So it's it's like in a big like purgatives are

529
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: a big part of medicine, like the idea that like

530
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: you're sick, you must be filled with poison, will give

531
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: you things that make you vomit and ship instantly. He

532
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: died of vomiting and shifting. H Well, the thing is

533
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: supposed to do the opposite thing. Will dial it back

534
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: next time. Alright, so you got the same thing, all right,

535
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: here we go, here we go, do a little less

536
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: this time, or a little more. Maybe we didn't give

537
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: him enough. Uh Now. Such treatments were called heroic medicine

538
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: because the doctors who saw what they were doing, which

539
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: was poisoning people, as engaging in a violent battle with disease.

540
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, we're giving people these poisons mercury and

541
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: strychnine and the like, But these poisons are necessary because

542
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: you have a disease and the poison has to fight

543
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: the disease, right, which you can see is is both

544
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: wrong but not on the wrong track of thought, because

545
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: it is like like cancer, chemotherapy is bad for you.

546
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 1: You don't like, you wouldn't want to get chemo, but

547
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: it's a poison that kills the worst poison, you know,

548
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: So there is medicine that work. Like you can see

549
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: the doctors at the time they were entirely on the

550
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: wrong thinking track. They were just like, but you don't

551
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: get people mercury because they have a cough. No, I

552
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: wonder what the funk were they seeing where they're like, oh, yeah,

553
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: that ship works, dude, you hit him with some more.

554
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: And they had stuff that did work too. Yeah. Yeah,

555
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's hard to sime, like you gotta

556
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: look at a data set at some point and be like, man,

557
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: my bad average, isn't I don't think there were not

558
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: a lot of data sets at the tip, No, but

559
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean in this in their own like even just

560
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: thinking back, like they'll look back and you're like, I

561
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: have lost a lot of people, and I can actually

562
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: kind of remember only a couple of times I helped

563
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: to save someone. Seriously, I think the level of drunk

564
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: that every doctor was it played a role in this. Yeah,

565
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: because you're like a weird fucking butcher slash like star

566
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: of a West Craven film. Like you're limorting on opium

567
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: all the time, and you're letting the neighborhood kids watch

568
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: you cut their friends leg off through a window. It's

569
00:30:54,360 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: all a weird scene. Yeah, it's it's not great. So um, yeah,

570
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: this is heroic medicine, the sawing people's legs and poisoning

571
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: them things. I'm a hero. Jesus Christ and a lot

572
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: of people thought this was bullshit, and throughout the mid

573
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, a new school of medical thought arose that

574
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: rejected this and focused instead on the healing power of nature,

575
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: and this came to be known as sectarian medicine. Um.

576
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: So Orthodox physicians would use heroic medicine to battle illness,

577
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: sectarian doctors would use natural remedies to bring the body

578
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: back into balance. And this may not sound too bad, right,

579
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: because there are like I don't know which hazel does

580
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 1: some ship like Thailand all comes from a plant that

581
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: you can you can make a tea that'll do the

582
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: same thing. Time. There's all sorts of natural remedies comfrey

583
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: and yarrow and plantain that really do have beneficial effects,

584
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: which is why like native American medicine worked a lot

585
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: better than many kinds of western medicine. And yeah, your

586
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: friends leg off, yeah, um, but that's not what they

587
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 1: were talking about when they talked about natural remedies. They

588
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 1: what they were it was what they thought was natural,

589
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: which was not like, yeah, so the natural physicians, the

590
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: sectarian doctors, believed that keeping people healthy was about restoring

591
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: natural balance. Um. And some of this was in fact

592
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: good medicine. A lot of it meant like, well, people

593
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: need to get enough sunlight, people need to get enough exercise,

594
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: people need to get enough vitamins. That's not bad, you know, right,

595
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: track so far, okay um. But sectarian doctors also believed

596
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: a lot of nonsense themselves because people didn't know anything

597
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: back then. They boiled nearly all health problems down to

598
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: an imbalance with one of six things air, diet, evacuations,

599
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: sleep cycles, exercise, and peace of mind. So one of

600
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: the most popular physicians of the Sectarian school was a

601
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: fellow named Sylvester Graham, father of the Graham Cracker. Although

602
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: you would not have wanted to eat the Graham crackers

603
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: that he made for reasons that we will get into

604
00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: god a good episode, it's it gets so bad. So

605
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: remember when I said sectarian doctors focused on natural medicine

606
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: and bringing the body back into balance. Well, one thing

607
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: a lot of them believed was that the body got

608
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: taken out of balance when you masturbated, because obviously you're ejaculating, right,

609
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: You're you're losing a fluid which must be taking your

610
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: body out of balance and making you sick. Right, I

611
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: think that's where the logic line started and keep it

612
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: you gotta keep it in no fat This is actually

613
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: a very no fap episode. It is the same logic

614
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: that proud boys, but like that, like you will be

615
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: at a certain point, or that you'll you'll go crazy

616
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: and kill yourself if you come. But if you don't, though,

617
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: like aren't you then hadn't thought of that part? Well,

618
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: actually some of them did believe that the reason people

619
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: in the Bible lived to be eight hundred years old,

620
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: perfect balance and never came. Yeah, so yes, actually, Miles,

621
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: that's exactly right, the virgin logic logic. I'm actually forever.

622
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, John Harvey Kellogg spoilers is an in cell.

623
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: So we're going I'm gonna quote from a write up

624
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: in the Journal of Technology and Culture about the the

625
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: the evolution of sectarian physicians beliefs about masturbation. Quote. The

626
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: source of these beliefs can be traced back to an

627
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: eighteenth century Swiss physician S. A. D. Too So. Too

628
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: So taught that one of the basic causes of illness

629
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: and death was the wasting away of body energy. The

630
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: most dangerous of such wastes, and yet the one that

631
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: could be controlled was that brought on by masturbation. Those

632
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: who masturbated would soon have a cloudiness of ideas, suffer

633
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: a decay of their bodily power. Experience acute pains in

634
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: their head, be afflicted with pimples on their face, and

635
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: eventually lose the power of generation. Females were likely to

636
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: be subject to hysterical fits, violent cramps, ulceration of the matrix.

637
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what the matrix meant in this situation.

638
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that's like the uterates. But yeah, that's what

639
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: a fucking term. Oh my god, the matrix. Yeah, it's

640
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: also the opposite of correct, just in terms of what

641
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: masturbation can do for cramps. But yeah. So. Tisso's ideas

642
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: reached America at the end of the eighteenth century through

643
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: the works of a guy named Benjamin Rush, who was

644
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: the dominant medical voice in the United States during the

645
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: Revolutionary period and was a signer of the Declaration of Independence.

646
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: Rush taught that all disease could be reduced to one

647
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: basic causal model bodily energy. Either did either the dim

648
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: mutation in or increase of such energy led to disease.

649
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: Dim Mutation of energy led to direct debility, while increase

650
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: led to indirectability. Once the nervous system was weakened, it

651
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: was susceptible to illness and disease, so the whole idea

652
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: is balanced. You lose balance one way or the other,

653
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna get sick. Rush concluded, based on observation that

654
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: sex was a major cause of nervous excitement and was

655
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: thus extremely dangerous. Basically, people seem to get excited when

656
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: they're fucking. That can't be good on No, none of that,

657
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: none of that. You can't have that. The matrix is

658
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: at stake. The matrix could go out of whack. Uh.

659
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: But I just actually looked it up. It is. It's

660
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: just a medical term. But he's just using the first

661
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: part and just referring to it as the matrix. The matrix.

662
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: But yes, I was hoping I was a part of

663
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: the uterus. I was hoping that it was something to

664
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: a damnit. I mean, the movie The Matrix does kind

665
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: of take place in like a robot uterus filled with people, okay,

666
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: that are also batteries that are also batteries, like like

667
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: babies in a uterus. Yes, so okay, I understand by

668
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: two doctors just talking to each other right now, very yeah,

669
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: so Russia the matrix. So Rush concluded again that that

670
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: sex was a cause of nervous excitement, and thus careless

671
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: sex would result in seminal weakness, painful urination, tuberculosis, vertigo, anxiety,

672
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: and death. From his theorizing burst a galaxy of American

673
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: come doctors, all with their own theories on why masturbation

674
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: was bad and how to stop it. Edward bliss Foot,

675
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: which is an amazing name, believed that masturbation disrupted the

676
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: natural animal magnetism between the sexes. Sylvester Graham believed that

677
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: over stimulation of the nervous system was the cause of

678
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: all disease, and since Graham believed this was the case,

679
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: the ultimate preventative medication was to live a life that

680
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: was as boring as possible. This meant no masturbation because

681
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: that excites you. It meant the absolute minimum amount of

682
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: sex necessary to procreate, and it also meant eating and

683
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: drinking only the very blandest things. Graham band grease, salt, condiment, spices, tea, coffee, tobacco,

684
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: and alcohol for his followers. He cautioned that only cold

685
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: water was healthy to drink. He created the Graham Cracker,

686
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: which was initially sugarless and flavorless, to be a food

687
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: that would stimulate the body as little as possible and

688
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: help you poop in order to cut down on sexual urges. Yeah, yeah,

689
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: my kid was jerking off. Can I guess some of

690
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: those ship crackers that will help make a boob? Also, wait,

691
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: are the blandless of Blandness of life is our secret

692
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: is the spice of life, because if you're out of balance,

693
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: if you're happy, you're out of balance. If you're excited,

694
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: you're out of balance. If you experience a moment of joy,

695
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: you're out of balance, and that will make you die. Right,

696
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: So it's like purgatory, you know, let's just be in

697
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: physical purgatory. Life should be an endless, gray expanse of

698
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: non experience. Yeah, and and like the logic of like

699
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: and like. And also, eat these crackers, Man, eat these crackers.

700
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: They'll make you ship and they taste bad and they're

701
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: honestly what you won't suck if you eat these, I

702
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: won't funk if I have diarrhea. No, no, no, no,

703
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: no no. They're full of fiber. Like yeah, I mean,

704
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm just I haven't been regular because

705
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: I haven't been masterbating enough. One of the things he's

706
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: right about is like the diet at this point involved

707
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: a lot of like pork and Greece and like people's

708
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: bowels were often in bad shape, and he was like,

709
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: having enough fiber is good for your health. Also, never fuck, Yeah,

710
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: that's like I was with you. I don't know, never

711
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: fuck and no salt or flavor. Yeah, even Catholic priests

712
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: don't do that. I mean they also fun if I

713
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: there's something, there's some kind of something, yeah, something, But

714
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: not for the followers of Sylvester Graham. Now, doctors like Graham,

715
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: we're not just physicians and like the scientific sense, although

716
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: they saw themselves that way, they were also moralists. These

717
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: guys were religious crusaders who believed their medical advice was

718
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: morally upright as well, and that that was a big

719
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: part of like that's why we don't need to do

720
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: research to prove this stuff. It's morally correct, so it's

721
00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: medically correct, you know. Yeah. Yeah, it's that to sucked

722
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: when like microscopes and ship was just like dunking on

723
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: all this ship. Yeah, it really was a bummer for

724
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: these guys, Like, I mean, there's still a lot of them.

725
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: It's why eventually the South African COVID variant will will

726
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: will become a problem. Boy. That's that's another episode so um. Yeah.

727
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: Graham was a Presbyterian minister and a temperance crusader as

728
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: well as a medical guru. Brian Wilson explains, quote, many

729
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: people during the time believe that God visited people with

730
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: disease as punishment for moral sins. Sectarian health performers, on

731
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: the other hand, believe that whereas moral sins led to

732
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: spiritual diseases, it was physiological sins that led to diseases

733
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: of the body. And just as spiritual disease could be

734
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: avoided by following the Ten Commandments, so too, physiological sins

735
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: could be avoided by heating the laws of life. Moreover,

736
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: both kind of sins ultimately had implications for one's personal salvation.

737
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: For according to Dr Larkin B. Coles, it is as

738
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: truly a sin against Heaven to violate a law of

739
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: life as to break one of the Tin commandments. So

740
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: if you masturbate, if you eat salt, you are sitting

741
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: against God as much as if you murdered, because you're

742
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: violating the natural order of your body. Right, it's a

743
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: moral it's a physiological sin. They invented a whole new

744
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: type of sinning. Yeah, it's called oh my God, it's

745
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: called being satisfied. Yeah, it's it's called enjoying even a

746
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: second of your miserable, dirt farming life. Yes, yeah, that's it.

747
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: That's that's a secret man's secret. We should all just

748
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: be miserable. Yeah, it rules. I love Western culture. Yeah,

749
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: and it's such a for all these guys like jacking

750
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: off over the ancient Romans. The Romans would have listened

751
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: to people, are you fucking what is wrong with you? People?

752
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: The only reason to live is to eat salt and

753
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: fucking serious all the time. You'll get this guy out

754
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: of a fucking I'm gonna kill this guy. What then

755
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: did he just say to me? They're a doctor. You're

756
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: a doctor. My last doctor prescribed me a bunch of

757
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: fucking Yeah, this is the Roman Empire. My doctor just

758
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: prescribed me. Come, I'll have you know, and I'm living.

759
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: Sir Graham is Um swept the country a little bit

760
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: like like in the years kind of immediately before John

761
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: Harvey Kellogg was born, and it was still an extremely

762
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: influential strain of medical thought when he grew into a

763
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: young man. It was very popular among religious hardliners like

764
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: the Adventists. It was quickly followed by another great advance

765
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: in medical science, hydropathy. This was a proposed medical science

766
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: based on the research of an Austrian, which should have

767
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: keyed everyone into the fact that it was a bad

768
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: idea anyway. This Austrian, whose name was Price Kntz, believed

769
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: that freshwater cured all ailments. You could take it internal

770
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: via hydration or through a wide variety of baths. Some

771
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: of these were traditional baths or showers, but others were

772
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: weird as hell, wet blanket wraps and multi hour long

773
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: cold and hot soaks. Hydropathy got huge in the late

774
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: eighteen forties and was still a big deal in the

775
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: eighteen fifties when James and Ellen White moved their razes

776
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: to Battle Creek, Michigan. And this is the point where

777
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 1: all of the Seventh day Adventist stuff we've talked about

778
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: came to intersect with all the weird sectarian medicine stuff

779
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: we've talked about. At first, the Whites were very anti medicine.

780
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: Brian Wilson writes, quote, since an accident had left her

781
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: an invalid for much of her childhood. That's the brain injury.

782
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: Ellen White had been intensely concerned about her own health,

783
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: and so throughout her early ministry she had been plagued

784
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: by health problems. Sometimes these were so serious that her

785
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: friends despaired of her life, and at least one of

786
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: these occasions, her friends rallied around her to pray for

787
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: her recovery, which, when it occurred, was interpreted as nothing

788
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: short of one of the miracles promised for the last days. Accordingly,

789
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: healing exclusively through prayer at avoiding doctors in medicine came

790
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: to be seen as an act of faith. In fact,

791
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: in eighteen forty nine, Ellen White published a broadside targeted

792
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: at Adventists entitled to those who are receiving the Seal

793
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: of the Living God. It warned that if any among

794
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: us are sick, let us not dishonor God by applying

795
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: to earthly physicians, but apply to the God of Israel

796
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: so great, that's what's what's the God of Israel's batting average? Yeah?

797
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: How's how's Israel doing in the How is that one

798
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: doing against foot chopper? I think foot choppers got the edge.

799
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: Foot choppers got the edge? O the God really okay? Well?

800
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: For a time, adventists believed that Ellen White could bring

801
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: the Lord's healing upon people just by praying for them.

802
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: This period came to an end in the mid eighteen

803
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: fifties when one of her followers in Camden, New York,

804
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: died after refusing medical treatment in favor of prayer. Ellen

805
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: White called the reports that her preaching helped kill this

806
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: woman groundless, but from that point forward, she started telling

807
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: her followers that faith healing should be balanced with actual

808
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: medical air. So she backed the funk pedals once she

809
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: gets someone killed, which again, these grifters are so much

810
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: more moral people than than our modern ones. Even maybe

811
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: not fair to call her a grifter. I do think

812
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: she believed, but like clearly felt bad that she got

813
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: someone killed, like ship I got I. Oh boy, you

814
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: know man, that was kind of a big swing. That

815
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: was an l for me. Yeah, all right, chalk that

816
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: one on there. Yeah, you can write it down. So

817
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: she was also she's so she she starts embracing medicine,

818
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: but she's not embracing you know, heroic medicine. She starts

819
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: embracing these weird people like Graham and stuff like hydropathy.

820
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: And because she's into Graham, she gets huge on healthy

821
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: living um. And this is like kind of ties into

822
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: the fact that Adventists accepted the apocalypse was not as

823
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: imminent as they'd initially believed, so they had to take

824
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: care of their bodies as part of their being right

825
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: with God. Um. And there's a bunch of theological arguments

826
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: about this, but basically, like one of the things that

827
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: happens is that Adventist belief kind of lash is on

828
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: all of this grammist stuff about you gotta be a vegetarian,

829
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: you can't eat salt, you can't eat anything good, you know. Um,

830
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: So they all start to adopt those beliefs as well.

831
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: So this is what they kind of figured it out though,

832
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: that because isn't that because the blue isn't the blue

833
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: zone diet actually known for like longer life expectator And

834
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. So is the Mediterranean um right, right? Right?

835
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: Or not to say that he was, you know, omniscient

836
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: and knowing that but like yeah not or to just look,

837
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm all spice and salt, baby, but one of the

838
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: most healthy things they figure out because like pork is

839
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: a horrible meat for your health, terrible for you, Like

840
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: we all love the way it tastes, but we shouldn't

841
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: be eating it. It's bad and it was the main

842
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: meat that was people's diet in this part of the

843
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: North America at the time. They're just eating because it's

844
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: easy to make a lot of it. Right, Beef's not

845
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: great for you either, Like Mediterraneans eat a lot of meat,

846
00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: but it's not primarily beef and pork and stuff. You know. Yeah, exactly,

847
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: the healthiest diets aren't necessarily vegetarian. But they're definitely not

848
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: eating nothing but bacon exactly. Um So, yeah, like the

849
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: American diet at this point is really bad, and it's true,

850
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: but like they start to notice, like part of why

851
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: they get so into these medical beliefs is like they

852
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: adopt these grandmist health beliefs and they all feel better

853
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: because they're eating healthy, like it is better for you.

854
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: He might be onto something, but then he's like saying,

855
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: it's not really the diet. He's like, no, it's the

856
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: come that you've kept inside. Well, yeah, we'll get to that.

857
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: So this is why I keep going back to all

858
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: of these different strades of thought, because this is how

859
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: John Harvey Kellogg grows up. This is what he grows

860
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: up believing. Um, and he didn't, you know, because in

861
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: his early childhood, and they haven't quite adopted these grandmast

862
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: beliefs yet. Sickness is a constant factor in his childhood

863
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: his father, and it's also not Trusting doctors is a

864
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: big factor. So his father has like lifelong chronic near

865
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: fatalarrhea because of an eye infection that a local doctor

866
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: treated by making a fly bite him, which caused his

867
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: tongue to swell up and permanently insured him. So like

868
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 1: when hold you know, say that whole sequence of words

869
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: out loud again, that's so crazy. He chronic debilitating diarrhea

870
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: that he got from an eye infection when the doctor

871
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: prescribed an insect bite for an eye infection, bite for

872
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: your eye infection, doc, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta

873
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: tell you, man, this is I believe I trusted you.

874
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: My eye is a fucking worse and my diary is

875
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: off the fucking meat hook right now. I can't you

876
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: know medicine? What the fuck where did you get that bug?

877
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: There's a lot of unanswered questions here, um So obviously, Also,

878
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: his dad's first wife dies of tuberculosis, His first daughter

879
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: died of a lung infection which the doctor blamed on worms,

880
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: and then his dad like sits with the doctor to

881
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: cut up his dead daughter just to prove like, no,

882
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: there ain't no worms in that dead girl. It's full God, No,

883
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: no worms, no worms. The doctor was wrong. Yes, it

884
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: was tuberculosis. He was giving her like poison because he

885
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: thought her lungs were filled with worms, and then he

886
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: poisoned her to death like a wild guess uh warm

887
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: worms were there? Bug focused? Doctor? Where yet? Yeah? You

888
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: know who won't murder your child with strict nine because

889
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: he thinks their lungs are full of worms? Who raytheon?

890
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: Don't murder your child with an honest to God knife missile.

891
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: Yeah we're back. So John Harvey Kellogg by the time

892
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: he comes into the world, his dad was not trusting

893
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: of mainstream physicians, which would make sense. Um. He buys

894
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: the church's lines on medicine, and when the church gets

895
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: really into hydropathy, so does John Harvey Kellogg's family. Now

896
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: John Preston, his dad subscribed to the Water Cure Journal,

897
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: and John Harvey grew up with hydropathy is kind of

898
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: the go to treatment for everyone in his family, which

899
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: makes sense because it is healthier for you than, for example,

900
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: bug bites honestly, where the fuck is that? It's all

901
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: who's the godfather of bug? Doctory? And where the fuck

902
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: who's the who's the bug supplier? I don't know, we're

903
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: missing some pieces of that story, Like that's I mean,

904
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: there's a whole there's a whole consultation scene that I

905
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: must see be acted out. Dr Bug. I think you

906
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: may not think you may not be the best position.

907
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: It sounds like you got a scorpion in your brain.

908
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: What scorpion talking? Get Okay, I'm getting the funk out

909
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: of here. So here's how John Harvey recalled, Like, imagine

910
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: if you actually had something wrong with your asshole, we

911
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: gotta put a milk beat up there. Put all the

912
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: bugs I can in your ass. Oh yeah, I've seen this.

913
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: Not enough bugs, not enough bugs, not enough rachnids in there.

914
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you swear you swear he solved your thing. Yes,

915
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: my sister had a baby after she saw him. She

916
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: was scared not to also, you know, I think maybe

917
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: they were just having an affair. Yeah, that made it

918
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: seem like a miracle because her husband went to go

919
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: see him when he had trouble urinating and the doctor

920
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: suggested a bug bite on his ball sack. So here's

921
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: how John Harvey Kellogg described the hydropathy treatments he received

922
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: and he was sick as a kid. Quote. I remember

923
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: very well how violently I shivered when, at the age

924
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: of ten, I was wrapped in a cold, wet sheet

925
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: pack to bring out the eruption and an attack of measles.

926
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: I shall never forget the crude shower bath with which

927
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: it's health barrel tank arranged over a pan with perforated bottom,

928
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: through which cold water from a deep well poured in

929
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: frigid streams on my body until the tank was empty.

930
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: Because the door to the little chamber in which I

931
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: was confined stuck so fast I could not escape, and

932
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: no one came to my relief until the tank was empty.

933
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: So they waterboarded this little kid. Is like medicine. That

934
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: was their treatment was like We're gonna lock you in

935
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: a tank and poured freezing water on you for hours.

936
00:52:53,239 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: What the fuck? Hyde, Okay, thanks hydropathy excited dropathy. So

937
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: he's being he's being like al Qaeda tortured, like c

938
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: i A style tortured. But it's like you got measles. Hi,

939
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm Gina Haspel, Director of High You know what, I

940
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: will say this at Guantanamo. No fucking measles, not one case,

941
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: one case. You're welcome. You tell me, you tell me.

942
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: Jim from the Office was right, we should be thankful

943
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: for the CIA. Thank you, and that's some good news

944
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: from John Krazinski. So right around the same time and

945
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: John Harvey's early adolescence, his family expanded their medical interests

946
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: into Grahamism. Now before becoming Grammasts, his father, his family

947
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: diet had been had included huge quantities of pork, but

948
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: afterwards the whole Kellogg family were strict vegetarians. An Adventist

949
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: minister who was a friend of the family introduced them

950
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: to an early prototype of Graham crackers. By the time

951
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: John Harvey Kellogg was a young adult helping to run

952
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: Ellen White's newspaper, the whole Adventist church had plunged headlong

953
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: into sectary in medicine. Ellen White had a vision in

954
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: the early eighteen sixties. She had already been advising her

955
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: followers to avoid alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, and fatty foods, but

956
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: now she had received a prophecy from God, and he

957
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: told her that everyone needed to be a vegetarian, get

958
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: lots of exercise and rest, drink tons of water, and

959
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: engage in medical baths. It's likely she was actually influenced

960
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: in this by the behaviors adopted by her close friends

961
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: the Kelloggs and other people in Battle Creek. It's kind

962
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: of hard to tell, like exactly where this this, like

963
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: which way this flowed? It was probably both ways, um,

964
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: and there may yeah, and there may have been something

965
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: of a grifter pin spun to this. Because hydropathy becomes

966
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: very popular and Ellen White adopts it as part of

967
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: the faith, claims God has told her that this is

968
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: like the true medicine. And then she opens a medical

969
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: school that the church runs to teach doctor's hydropathy, and

970
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: they call this the Western Health Reform. Uh kind of,

971
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: so it officially opened it's still unfinished doors on September

972
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty six. Since this was her biggest new project,

973
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: she told her new brightest follower, John Harvey Kellogg, that

974
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: he needed to go there. So she'd had a vision

975
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: that he was meant to be a physician, not a teacher.

976
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: John Harvet, like I said that a little earlier too.

977
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: John Harvey hated the side of blood, and he had

978
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: no desire to go to medical school, but he was

979
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: gradually kind of forced into doing this because it was

980
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: God's command. Right, So this kid wants to be a

981
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: teacher winds up learning to be a bath doctor, and

982
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't really want to do this. Now. He hated

983
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: the medical school that his church created because he was

984
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: actually a smart person, and he was intelligent enough to

985
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: know that all of the stuff they were teaching was

986
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: fucking nonsense. He graduated with no effort since all of

987
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: his classes involved zero medical science. The headmaster of the

988
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: medical school believed that organic chemistry was a lie by

989
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: the devil, so like there was not a lot of

990
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: hard science of the just graduating with flying. Your whole

991
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: test is just water with a question mark and you

992
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: write yes, you nod, congratulations doctor. You take a simple

993
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: water and go. And that was my dissertation. You know

994
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: it would be good if I was locked in a

995
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: room filled with this for hours where no one could

996
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: hear my screams. That seems like it would treat I

997
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: don't know cancer. I love that this this kid's going somewhere,

998
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: He's going to save the planet. This kid's gotta fix everything.

999
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: You're a prodigy. Didn't even go through an apple sauce space,

1000
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 1: straight to water. You see what you can learn from him? Guys,

1001
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: everyone can look around look at this guy. Yeah, Jimmy,

1002
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: all that oil you've been pouring up people's assholes, that

1003
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: was the wrong It's water, bug, guy, I don't even

1004
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: gotta tell you where you putting those scorpions. Stop that. Yeah,

1005
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: none of us, none of us have pissed right for

1006
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: a week. So he realizes that this medical school his

1007
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: church creates is complete bullshit. But his time at Ellen

1008
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: White's nonsense school of Long Baths ignited a very real

1009
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: interest in medical science. Dr Brian Wilson writes, quote John

1010
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: Harvey's time at the college did whet his appetite for

1011
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: further medical training, this time at orthodox medical institutions, an

1012
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: idea he proposed to James White upon his return to

1013
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: Battle Creek. Elder White was reluctant to endorse this project,

1014
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: his attitude being that training at some doctor mill was

1015
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: all an adventist physician really needed. But Kellogg prevailed, and

1016
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: with White's financial backing, he attended first the College of

1017
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: Medicine and Surgery at the University of Michigan, and then

1018
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: Bellevue Hospital in New York City, which at the time

1019
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: was the finest teaching hospital in the United States. Here,

1020
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: Kellogg not only learned the latest in regular medicine, including

1021
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: new drug therapies, but under the tutelage of Austin Flint

1022
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: and E. G. Janeway, was also introduced to advances in

1023
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: physiotherapy and surgery. Intensely proud of his achievement, Kellogg graduated

1024
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: with a regular m d. From Bellevue in eighteen seventy five.

1025
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: Later in the eighteen eighties, Kellogg, now completely over his

1026
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: disgust of blood, would take up the practice of surgery

1027
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: in earnest training, first in New York and then in

1028
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty three in Vienna with Adolf Adolf bill Roth,

1029
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: who Kellog characterized as the greatest surgeon of the nineteenth century,

1030
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: and everyone seems to agree he was. John Harvey Kellogg

1031
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: was an incredibly gifted surgeon. Like he is. He is

1032
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: a nonsense doctor too, but he's also a deeply gifted

1033
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: regular surgeon who was respected within his field for his talents.

1034
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: He's a very He's kind of like Ben Carson. I

1035
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: was gonna say this sounds familiar. There's a lot of

1036
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: Ben Carson energy again. Actually good at fucking surgery. Anything else, Yeah,

1037
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: he's anything else. So he becomes an actual doctor and

1038
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: returns to Battle Creek from getting his m d. In

1039
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy five and immediately joins the staff at his

1040
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: religion's nonsense medical school again, and it became immediately apparent

1041
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: that no and else who worked there knew anything about medicine.

1042
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: As the only member of his staff, of the staff

1043
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: of this again medical college who was not jibbering maniac,

1044
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: Kellogg was almost immediately promoted to superintendent of the institute,

1045
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: which was probably the best call you could have made. Like,

1046
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: you've got the real doctor and the guy who believe

1047
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: Satan invented chemistry. I guess we picked the real here. Thanks.

1048
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: And then that doctor is like, well, I guess the

1049
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: student has become the teachers. Where don't you go talk to? Yeah? Yeah,

1050
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: so uh yeah. He was like twenty six years old

1051
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: when he becomes the superintendent of the institute, and he

1052
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: agreed to take the job both because the prophet told

1053
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: him it was God needed him to do, but also

1054
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: because he would have control over the institute and he

1055
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: would be able to reform it. So Kellogg was again

1056
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: not super psyched about this college. He described it as

1057
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: an empirical institution, a sort of mixture of water cure,

1058
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: homeopath and eclecticism with no scientific direction, and so when

1059
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: he took control, he vowed to turn it into an

1060
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: internationally recognized medical institution devoted to a wide range of

1061
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: treatments based on hard science. His first active director was

1062
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: to change the institute's name to the Battle Creek Sanitarium.

1063
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: He actually invented the word sanitarium. The editor of his

1064
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: old newspaper complained about this, pointing out that no one

1065
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't know what he meant by using it because he

1066
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: just created the word. But Kellogg argued that sanitarium was

1067
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: a better name than sanatorium. See, a sanatorium was a

1068
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: place where sick people came to be cured. That's not

1069
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: what Dr Kellogg wanted to make. He wanted to create

1070
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: a place where people learned how to stay well. Kellogg's

1071
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: vision was a mixture of like a quack hospital and

1072
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: quack medical school, but also a real hospital and something

1073
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: akin to a health spat like. He wanted to turn

1074
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: this into a place where people would come to learn

1075
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: how to be healthy as well as come when they

1076
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: were sick, and he was. He was. Again, there's a

1077
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: lot of good ideas this guy have as one of

1078
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: which is that you don't the the ideal was not

1079
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: to treat people for illnesses. It's to keep them healthy, right,

1080
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: which is fair like a reasonable thing for a doctor exactly.

1081
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: And he kind of he turns the sanitarium into like

1082
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: a preventive medicine spa where like particularly rich people can

1083
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: come and like get all these different treatments designed to

1084
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: keep them healthy. One of his first executive acts was

1085
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: to start placing full page ads in professional journals, including

1086
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: the a m A's Journal, advertising the Sanitarium as a

1087
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: place where people could take vacations not just to treat

1088
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: their ailments, but to get healthier. Brian Wilson writes, quote,

1089
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: along with all the luxuries of a grand hotel, the

1090
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: sand was touted as offering a carefully monitored vegetarian diet,

1091
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 1: a variety of physical therapies, including rational hydropathy, Swedish movements, calistenics,

1092
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: breathing exercises, and eventually electric light and heat therapies. Now

1093
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions that that paragraph raises, I

1094
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: bet you're wondering, first off, what rational hydropathy might include.

1095
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let a write up from history dot com

1096
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: explain that. In a nineteen o seven ad in Good

1097
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: Housekeeping magazine, the Battle Creek Sanitarium boasted of offering forty

1098
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: six kinds of baths. Some like foot baths and sponge baths,

1099
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: were relatively conventional, but there were also options like the

1100
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: continuous bath, which was much like a regular tub bath,

1101
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: except that it could last, Kellogg wrote, for many hours, days, weeks,

1102
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: or months, as the case may require. Oh that's rational hydropic.

1103
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: That's the ractional to stay at a bath for months,

1104
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: and they would You could get up to use the restroom,

1105
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: and you could get up to do things, but they

1106
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: would keep bathing you while you were standing and moving

1107
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: like that's what they meant by continuous bath. So you'd

1108
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: get up to take a dump and then they're just

1109
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: pouring buckets of water on you, or keep always be bathing.

1110
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Kellogg advocated continuous baths as a treatment

1111
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: for skin diseases, chronic diarrhea, and a host of mental maladies,

1112
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: including delirium, hysteria, and maine. You I kind of think

1113
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: a week'slong bath might not help you in a weird

1114
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: place you in. Kellogg was fascinated by the evolving therapies

1115
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: of the day. He would regularly read about some new

1116
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: health fad and fall in love with it. Dr kellub

1117
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: would generally frame this is paying attention to the latest

1118
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: medical developments, but many of the fadcy embraced had little

1119
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: scientific basis. For example, he became a disciple of Horace Flesher,

1120
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: a health guru who traced many health problems to poor

1121
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: chewing discipline. Fletcher believed people needed to chew each bite

1122
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: at least forty times, sometimes you'll hear thirty four before swallowing.

1123
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: As a result, Dr Kellogg would lead dinners in the

1124
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: sanitarium with renditions of the Chewing Song, the chorus of

1125
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: which was chew too, cho that is the thing to do.

1126
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: Oh you you sounds like a hoot. Kellogg was a

1127
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: believer in what he called auto intoxication, which resulted from

1128
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: the putrefaction of n jested meat in the bowels. He

1129
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: believed that otto intoxication was behind virtually every illness of

1130
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: the bowels. To fix this, the bowels had to be cleansed.

1131
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: His sanitarium offered patients a truly dizzying variety of enemas.

1132
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: He believed quote more people need washing out than any

1133
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: other remedy. This was again not an uncommon health treatment

1134
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: at the time, but as usual, Kellogg took things further

1135
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 1: than anyone else. Traditional enemas involved a pint or two

1136
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: of liquid being you know, put in your butt, right.

1137
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: John Harvey's enemas were administered by a special machine of

1138
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: his own design that could pump fifteen quarts of water

1139
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: per minute through his patient's bowls. What more is better? Baby? Wait?

1140
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: Nearly four fucking gallons a minute? What absolutely outrageous? Yere

1141
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: gonna fucking pressure wash? You're just whole shit like that. Yeah,

1142
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: he's basically taking pressure watcher from like a car washing

1143
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: shooting up his own design. He just designed a weird

1144
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: nozzle to put in your asshole. Otherwise it's the pressure

1145
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: washer that the city uses when there's graffiti. I have

1146
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: never heard that this was a sex thing. And this

1147
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: is a man who, by his own claim, never came

1148
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: but you know this was a sex thing. Yeah, you

1149
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: got that thing? Yet? That was absolutely think I think

1150
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: it could hit harder yeah, you knowlem with is that

1151
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: water per minute up your asshole? It's not looking like

1152
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: a busted fire hydrant on a summer day in New York.

1153
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: The Sanitarium group grew famous both due to kellogg skill

1154
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: and drawing media attention and due to his actual gifts

1155
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: as a physician. He was actually a good doctor in

1156
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, including surgery. He was Sojourner Truth's doctor,

1157
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: and he would go on to treat Thomas Edison, Henry Ford,

1158
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: and Amelia Earhart. Before long, the Sanitarium was the hit

1159
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: place for the rich and famous to go and receive

1160
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: medical care. Here's how one ad from the early nineteen

1161
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: hundreds Decide described it. It's got This ad has like

1162
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: a picture of the Sanitarium, bunch of trees. There's like

1163
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: a golf club and a tennis racket on it. Get

1164
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: Away and Rest the largest and most elaborately equipped health

1165
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 1: resort in the world, a mecca for vacationists, a cool

1166
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: and delightful summer resting place. Outdoor life encouraged swimming, golf, tennis, volleyball,

1167
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: motoring and tramping m yeah, tramping. Systematized diet of simple

1168
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: and delicious foods, expert bath facilities and the most efficient

1169
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: medical service if desired, accommodations for two thousand guests, planning

1170
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: your vacation early. So yeah, that's it's it's like a spat.

1171
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: It's like a med spa. It is a med SPA

1172
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: describing the butthole destroyer. They don't they in the ads,

1173
01:06:55,000 --> 01:07:02,479
Speaker 1: we will ruin your rasshole, absolutely lay waste to that thing.

1174
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: There will there will not even be a whole when

1175
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: were you don't want? I'm on, I could, I could

1176
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: say a lot of disc a lot of metaphors that

1177
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: aren't explicit, but you get the picture, you know, sock.

1178
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: So let's make sure that you know what we're doing

1179
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: over there. Don't get too too well on that thing now.

1180
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: So far, John Harvey sounds, you know, kind of out there,

1181
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: but not evil, right, no evil yet, Like it's definitely

1182
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: not the best health decision to water in and out,

1183
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: but it's not. He's not. You're not a monster if

1184
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: you think that's especially it's the eighteen eighties, eighteen nineties.

1185
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: It's it's better than a lot of what doctors are doing.

1186
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: You know, you're not probably going to die from that

1187
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: um like you would from the strict nine treatments. Um

1188
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: or the bugs not a monster based on what we've

1189
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: heard so far. But as I said, Kellogg was the

1190
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: kind of guy who was always interested in new treatments

1191
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: and expanding the scope of his practices. From the beginning,

1192
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: both the Sanitarium and John HARVEYT. Kellogg had been influenced

1193
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: by Graham's teachings. This led him to advocate a vegetarian

1194
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: diet and sobriety, which we've already talked about and is

1195
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: fine even if it's not a lot of people's choices.

1196
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: But it also convinced Kellogg that masturbation was among the

1197
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: greatest human evils, and I'm at a hote now from

1198
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: a wonderful write up in Jezebel. Masturbation could begin in

1199
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: the most tragic of cases, at a young age. Kellog

1200
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: reported that he had seen children as young as two

1201
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: years of age placed their hands upon their own genitalia.

1202
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: In these cases, the child, already deficient in morals, was

1203
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: most likely suffering from the sins her parents committed before

1204
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: she was even born. Having excessive sexual relations during pregnancy,

1205
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 1: or being the offspring spring of a masturbator could warp

1206
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: the values of a fetus in utero. Kellogg did not

1207
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: believe any natural inclination would draw a child's hand to

1208
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: their private parts. These manipulations came from dark and foul

1209
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: sources such as constipation, hemorrhoids, bladder infections, anal fishers, and

1210
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: uncleanliness of the organs. Other foul temptations were to be

1211
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: found in choice of betting, said Dr Kellogg. Soft pillows

1212
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: and soft beds and pillows must be carefully avoided the

1213
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: floor with a single folded blanket beneath the sleeper would

1214
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: be preferable. A hair mattress or a bed of corn

1215
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: husks covered in two or three blankets, or a quilted

1216
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 1: cotton mattress makes a very healthy and comfortable bed. Of course,

1217
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,959
Speaker 1: simply switching at pillows can't stop people from wanting to masturbate.

1218
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: Nothing short of physical torture and mutilation is going to

1219
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: stop an adolescent from experimenting with their own genitals. And

1220
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: as we'll discuss in Part two, physical torture and mutilation

1221
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: is exactly where doctor John Harvey Kellogg decided to go.

1222
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: So next episode is gonna be a rough one miles

1223
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: and everyone listening real bad. Just some of the worst

1224
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: stuff will ever talk about on this show, real real

1225
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: dark shit, real black pill hours here my friends. Oh well,

1226
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: you know that's uh. I feel like I'm always here

1227
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: for these ones. But you know, I'm built different. We

1228
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: talked about we had you on for the Trump University one.

1229
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 1: You've had your fun episode, had fun ones, and then

1230
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: we've also had absolutely fucked ones. But hey, you know what,

1231
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: that's what this show is. You know what I mean.

1232
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: If you want fucking good times, go listen and you

1233
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: know whatever. That Yeah, that's ship. That's the show where

1234
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: we won't spend an hour on Thursday talking about female

1235
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: genitally anyway. Yeah, we'll just talk about ship jokes a

1236
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: lot probably, and that people enjoyed about this episode, I'm sure. Yeah.

1237
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: No one's gonna be happy with the next episode. I

1238
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,440
Speaker 1: promise you, no one will be happy with the next episode.

1239
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: So don't complain. So don't complain. It's going to be bad.

1240
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: There's your warning. Okay, vegetables and just get to be

1241
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 1: a ton of emotional and sexual abuse. It's going to

1242
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: be bad. So listen it on Thursday. Alright, Miles, just

1243
01:10:55,600 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: to have self care your mental health. Now, Uh well,

1244
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: I'll see you on Part two. Yeah, eat some graham

1245
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: crackers and pound it. Yeah, wait anything, Okay, eat some

1246
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: Graham crackers and masterbrade unless that's your thing, unless it

1247
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: helps you come and you know, if you have any

1248
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,799
Speaker 1: insight into the bug field, I would. I'm honestly really

1249
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: interested in this. Will please my my my plug double

1250
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: is please approaching me with bug doctor information? Bug doctor

1251
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: what what the fund was? Yeah? H