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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for tuning into high volume. Guest number two

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Speaker 2: awaits and I call him an offensive savant. If you're

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Speaker 2: Coach Tom Moore has coached over five decades in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Forty ninth year is coming up. He's still an offensive

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Speaker 2: He had little cups of coffee here and there, and

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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Jeff Saturday. The list goes on

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Speaker 2: and on. What he did with that offense and what

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Speaker 2: he did prior as well in Detroit, setting records that

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Speaker 2: still stand today. This man is unlike any other who's

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Speaker 2: this franchise for thirteen years. I'm honored. This is a

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Speaker 2: I do hope you enjoy this. This is the one

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Speaker 2: and only the greatest of all time when it comes

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Speaker 2: to assistant coaches in the NFL. This is Tom Moorean. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to announce this guest, and I've been thinking

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about this game. If your children or your

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Speaker 2: guys like this. And he's a friend of mine. I've

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Speaker 2: hall of fames that you're in. I welcome the floor again,

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Speaker 2: offensive savant. Welcome in, coach Tom Moore.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, glad to be here. It's privilege, Jack, oh, coach.

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Speaker 1: I'm very happy to be here and talk football.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the privilege is all ours. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna start with some of your quotes, if you don't

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Speaker 2: mind some of them. People have heard some of them.

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Speaker 2: They haven't and when they come to me. When you

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Speaker 2: could win yesterday, and I said what's up today? And

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Speaker 2: Hey, some thing's never changed. But here we go some

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Speaker 2: of your all time quotes and then we'll get into

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Speaker 2: your coaching career and what you meant to this game

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Speaker 2: of professional football. One that hangs very highly. It's a

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Speaker 2: and it's it's your quote with your name underneath it.

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Speaker 2: Don't major in the miners. Why is that important in

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Speaker 1: Well, sometimes you get so mired down in small things

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Speaker 1: with the preparation game. They're just small things. If you

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Speaker 2: Players got that fighting time anyway. Yeah, players got that

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope so. Because it's you know, football, it's

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Speaker 1: Well, it's still blocking and tackling. It's fundamentals that techniques.

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Speaker 2: Oh you've done that quite a bit obviously on some

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Speaker 2: Bruce arians was on last week. You talked about something

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. It started with you a

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Speaker 2: I beg your pardon. University of Iowa. How were you

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Speaker 2: So you remember your coach, You remember your longest field goal.

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Speaker 2: Can you make it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get a right back with someone else.

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Speaker 2: Hey, no pressure, Tom, no pressure on that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, from the backup, and we hit three people. We

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Speaker 2: Okay, not bad day. Yeah, not bad day.

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Speaker 1: prestigious saying package days. Uh, to get into a bowl game?

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Speaker 1: And was there a kids dreaming a minute west?

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Speaker 2: Not bad game, I'll tell you what national championship and

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Speaker 2: your career.

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Speaker 2: And my question with that is, did you I remember

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Speaker 1: But then I came back and got stationed Fort Benning, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well, things were, and Chuck No put it very straightforward.

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Speaker 1: Well, when we went to Dayton, I just got out

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Speaker 2: Hell, you've done your part on that one coach. I mean, I.

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Speaker 1: Really believe that. You know, Bill Blunt called me about

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Speaker 2: That explains it. Yeah, that explains it. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: Well. One of the things that helped me in the

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Speaker 2: In over four games.

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Speaker 1: open up receivers. Well, that really I think propelled us

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00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: because Wan and Sowarths were great receivers. H and Bradshaw

435
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: was just coming on and really doing well. And it

436
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: opened up the passing game and we became a good

437
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: well running the team. We had to run game and

438
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: the passing game now. And you know, we won the

439
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowls, the two Super Bowls. I was there. Why.

440
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: We scored a lot of points, made a lot of yards,

441
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: and I think we won one game thirty five thirty

442
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: one and the game I'm not sure, but we scored

443
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: over thirty five points.

444
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

445
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Speaker 1: It was the first game that the Seders played. They

446
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: played it by He's in the first game for Super

447
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: Bowl halftime. Score was two to nothing. That was a

448
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: purple people Eaters and Steve Curtain and they Tarkington fumbled

449
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: I guess, and Elsie Greenwood fell on it and they

450
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: ended up winning the game I think sixteen to nine

451
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: or something like that. Well, you have the offense got

452
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: going and it's people, you know, you go back off

453
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: that those four Super Bowl teams. Yeah, there's ten players

454
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: in the Hall time five on offense, five on defense,

455
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: the owner of the owner's son, the head coach, Tony Dungey.

456
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: Uh you know it was part of that team eats

457
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: in their notes because of tamp and stuff like that.

458
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, there's a lot a lot of guys

459
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: in that Hall of Fame, and when it gets down

460
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: to it, it's players. Players are the difference. And Chuck

461
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: Nomes was a great, great advocate of give the players everything,

462
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: given the credit, give then the speaking engagements, given endorsements.

463
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: Let them make as much money as they can. It's

464
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: their game. We're just kind of caretakers. And he said,

465
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: will you get in trouble and when your coach, if

466
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: you ever get into financial competition with your players, it

467
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: didn't work, and he taught you it's a player's game.

468
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: He also taught you when when you were at Pittsburgh,

469
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: assistant coaches were to be seen not heard. One guy

470
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: talked the head coach.

471
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: How many were on the staff.

472
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: Six one three offense, three on defense, And I ended

473
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: up coaching wide receivers and tight ends in the passing game,

474
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: an offensive line coach and running back coach, and uh

475
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: in three on defense. And Chuck now was a special

476
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: teams coach.

477
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: The head coach was a special teams coach.

478
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was true Luthy. But Grant was with Minnesota,

479
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: and I think coach Shutter was down Miami too. Most

480
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: STAPs were six man steps coach.

481
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: Now it's like thirty how many how many you coach

482
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: with now? Down in town, we've got We've got a

483
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: lot of them, twenty six a bunch of them. Well, hell,

484
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: this is what you're forty nine for you this twenty

485
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: twenty five season in the NFL.

486
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Speaker 1: Forty nine, forty nine years. I remember when I first

487
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: got in, I thought, man, if I could just get five.

488
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: Years in, yeah, yeah, fully.

489
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: Vested for retirement, that'd really be cool. And so when

490
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: I got in, I was shooting for five. But you know,

491
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: I looked at coaching in the NFL. To me, I

492
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: don't believe in the title months. I'm not a big

493
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: entitledment guy. To me, it's a privileged coach in the NFL.

494
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: And the NFL has given me a life that I've

495
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: never had and anything else, because it's it's what I love,

496
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: it's what I enjoy, it's what I know, and it's

497
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: my life.

498
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: Hey, Chuck, Chuck, No, doesn't call the Star go under.

499
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: The World Football League goes under, and Chuck Nole doesn't

500
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: call you. What are you doing then, I mean, if

501
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: you're not. Luckily everything worked out, but what what direction

502
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: were you going to take?

503
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: I went back to Minnesota. The guy Minnesota hired me.

504
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: See Minnesota, I recruited Tony.

505
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony Dungee. I mean that's a great story in itself.

506
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: He was there and the head coach at the University

507
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: of Minnesota hired me back. So I was served for

508
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: two more years, and he stayed for four or five

509
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: more years, So I'm sure it would have stayed at

510
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: tim I don't know, and you know, all this stuff happens,

511
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: and I don't know how it happened. Did you know

512
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: someone was looking out for me and didn't send me

513
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: to Buffalo and sent me to yeah, Pittsburgh because I

514
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: had gone to bufloor I had been there for about

515
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: two years.

516
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right right? Who knows there?

517
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was at Pittsburgh for thirteen years. I

518
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: was with the Colts for thirteen years, Yes, you were.

519
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: Some of my fondest memories are with the Colts. I

520
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: love it.

521
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: We have so many, so many great fond memories of

522
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: you here and so many to go over. I want

523
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: to I want to stay in Pittsburgh for a minute, though.

524
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: What does this mean to you? If you can get

525
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: to a sixty prevent slot hook and go sixty prevent

526
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: slot hook and go what is that? What's special about

527
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: that play for you?

528
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: Well, in coaching, and Peyton was a champion and coaching

529
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: offensive football, you need to have answers answer situations. Okay,

530
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: they do this, what's our answer to counter what they're doing? Well,

531
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: we knew going into the Super Bowl game against the

532
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: Rams what Bud Carson was going to do defensively, Pine

533
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: Street wide outs on third down and what he was

534
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: going to do. He's going to single one wide receiver.

535
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: He was going to go short and long on the

536
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: other wide receiver, and then he was going to go

537
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: in and out on the slot. So the outside receivers

538
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: ran flag routes, the inside receiver ran an in post.

539
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: Okay, So that was slot hook and go and that

540
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: was Stalwarth, Yeah.

541
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: Stalworth and then sure enough they were in the defense

542
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: and we hit two big uh passes against it. They

543
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: wasn't the Super Bowl for us?

544
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: Well, the seventy three yard are in the fourth the

545
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,239
Speaker 2: Stalwarts sealed it, and that that sixty prevent hook and

546
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: go is something that you know, if memory serves, you

547
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: came up with that within two weeks of the Super

548
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 2: Bowl because of the Bud Carson defense if he bites.

549
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: I'm running this play and it's one of the famous

550
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: ones that you sealed. I mean, it's uh, that's the

551
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: sort of stuff did you write up. I'm not being

552
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: funny when I asked this. In your career, did you

553
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: ever write up plays in the dirt at some at

554
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: some point? I mean, I know, I know with Peyton

555
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: it was there's a story about whatever you did in

556
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: Buffalo do that. But we'll get to that one. But

557
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: but you never run plays in the dirt, even going

558
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: back to the Army days.

559
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: It's just like those guys keep a paper nipse bedstand night. Yeah,

560
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: I knew when I woke up for night, I got

561
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: it right in up place, trust me.

562
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: All Right, here we go, let's move on. Previously, I

563
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: could go all day with your career in Pittsburgh and

564
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: what you meant for that city, the championships, two time

565
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: Super Bowl champion, you go on to Minnesota, you coach

566
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: with Jerry Burns, you coach with Dennis Green, but you

567
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: got some offensive firepower there. And this is where people

568
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: are starting to recognize you Tom as an offensive savant.

569
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: Like I called you that. Wherever Tom Moore is, they

570
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: can they can push the football down the field. What

571
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 2: did you take from minnesot that you ended up taking

572
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: with you when you went to Detroit. Uh, those are

573
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: record setting years that you had in Detroit. But what

574
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: about the Minnesota years?

575
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: Well, it was I was there two years of Jerry

576
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: Burns and then he retired and Denny Green retained me,

577
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: and we had again we had good receivers. Uh had

578
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: Chris Carter, Anthony Carter, Hassan Jones, and Steve Jordan was

579
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: the premier tight end there he was. Yeah, you had

580
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: Wade Wilson, Rich Cannon the quarterbacks. And when Jinny took over,

581
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: he retained me, but he brought in basically a whole

582
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: new staff and Uh, he fired an offensive coordinator, made

583
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: Brian Billy Uh the offensive coordinator. And after two years,

584
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: I I just didn't have a good feeling. Yeah, I

585
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: felt like it was time to go. Uh. And I

586
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: knew Wayne Fonts. Wayne and I were together Dayton.

587
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: Also, and so he had opening in Detroit.

588
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to Detroit, and uh we had Johnny Mooreton, uh.

589
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: Hermitt Moore, Brett Perriman.

590
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: Pairman and Barry Sanders and uh so and and we

591
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: uh we didn't we didn't do a lot of stuff.

592
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: Fancy was basically give the ball to Berry and here

593
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: he used to tell me, if you ain't gonna block him,

594
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: get out of the way, make a mess.

595
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's that's what we're gonna I gotta,

596
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: I gotta use that.

597
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: And then we we had Scott Mitchell. We had a

598
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: I guess it was ninety six. In ninety six, we

599
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: live in the league until offense.

600
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it's I mean, I have that's ridiculous.

601
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. In ninety seven we had some injury problems and

602
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: so they let Wayne go and went in a different direction.

603
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: So I went to New Orleans Saints. I stayed there

604
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:20,959
Speaker 1: for one year.

605
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: You were with Ditka, right, yeah, his first year?

606
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: All right, the thing opened up Indianapolis and uh you

607
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: know again, same old street. Why me, I don't know. Well,

608
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: I knew Bruce, and I think Bruce pushed me. I

609
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: knew Jim Moore, but not real Well, i'd met Bpoleon.

610
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: But it's interesting Jim Hersey remembered me because when they

611
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: brought Ted Marsh and Broad, No, Linda didn't finndy. I

612
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: think when they aired it, you know it was dead

613
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: March wrought it. They interviewed George Furlips and George, I guess, say,

614
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: ask you who is going to bring his offensive coordinator?

615
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: And he told him me. And so Jim ers Hey

616
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: remember that. Yeah, when I showed up to work, he said, well,

617
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: you finally got here.

618
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: And the rest is history. Man, I'm going to go

619
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: on to the Indianapolis era, but just in Detroit again,

620
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: we joke about it. Scott Mitchell was a quarterback that

621
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: came over from Miami previous the previous year. He came

622
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: in as a backup. He had success. You guys signed

623
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 2: him the big money. But what you did with Barry Sanders,

624
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: Herman Moore, Brett Perriman, you know, a thousand yard rusher,

625
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: you had fifteen hundred yard receiver, you had four thousand

626
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: yards quarterback. You've done that twice, the only man to

627
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: do it in the NFL. You did it in Detroit

628
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: and you did it up here. But staying in Detroit

629
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: coaching a offense with that Barry Sanders behind you. But

630
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: you love to put it up in Detroit. You love

631
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: to chuck the football. How is that balance? You gotta?

632
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: You got a Hall of Famer in Barry Sanders behind you,

633
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: you got Herman Moore who's setting records, Brett Perriman and

634
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: Scott Mitchell. How do you run out proper offense with

635
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: all those stars?

636
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: Well, you got you got to mix, obviously, and you

637
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: got to get everybody involved. You can't. You got to

638
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: make them defend everything. If they defend the run, your

639
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: play action passes are going to open up. And of

640
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: course they got to defend you with Barry. Uh, if

641
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: they get two main men up in the box, that

642
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: means you're one on one outside and so gives you

643
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: an opportunity so one on one routes and those guys

644
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: can beat one on one coverage. And uh, A good

645
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: story about about those guys. They're all competitive. Yeah, we're

646
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: playing the last game. It is ninety six in Tampa,

647
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: and we get to the game. We got the game one.

648
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: That's all we have to do is kneel down. But

649
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: Herman Moore needs four completions to set the record. So

650
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Speaker 1: we go back in and I tell them Scott Mitchell,

651
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call a pass every single down. I want

652
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: you to throw the ball to him every time until

653
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Speaker 1: he gets his four completions and then we'll flop on.

654
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Speaker 1: So we did, and he got four completions in the record.

655
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Speaker 1: Now we're down on the about the twelve yard line.

656
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Speaker 1: So I tell Scott Mitchell, I said, just kneel it,

657
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: kneel down. Well that was two minute warning. So Brett

658
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: Pearriman comes run up to me. He says, Tom downtown.

659
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: He says, I need twenty seven yards to have said

660
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Speaker 1: some kind of record. I said, b we're on tu

661
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: yard line. I can't get your twenty seven years. He said, well,

662
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: tell Scott to take a sack and then no, we're

663
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Speaker 1: not doing.

664
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Speaker 2: Not You got to get to win.

665
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

666
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: Oh man, I love it. I want to go up

667
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: into the Indianapolis because you you you talked about it

668
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: a little bit earlier. You served under Jim Mora and

669
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: but this is the decade of Bank's excellence is when

670
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 2: it starts. Bill Pollyan as a general manager, Jim Mercey

671
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: is a full owner. You're an offensive coordinator. Tony Dungee

672
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: is hired, and and you're looking coach at after Mora.

673
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: You're looking at guys like Edgar and James, Marvin Harrison

674
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: obviously Peyton coming in here. What was your thought early

675
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 2: in your career here in Indianapolis, especially when eighteen got here,

676
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: like what you could do with the pieces around him?

677
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: Your first thoughts?

678
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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, let me say we had an

679
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: awfully good coaching staff. Howard Mudd was excellent, offensive line coach, excellent,

680
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: Gene Hughey was excellent running back coach. Jean coached a

681
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: lot of group running backs, and we had we had

682
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Speaker 1: a good coaching staff, and Jim Moore set the standard

683
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: as far as discipline and stuff that was there. And

684
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Speaker 1: then when Tony came in, Tony called me and asked

685
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: me about it. I said, Tony, come in Annapolis. I said,

686
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: the pieces are in place, everything's there. We got the quarterback,

687
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: we got the running back, we got the receivers, we

688
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: got Jim Mercy, we got Bill Polly, and our support

689
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: staff is excellent. As he was talking, I think to

690
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: Carolina or someone, I said, you ain't going to Carolina.

691
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: This is Applis is the place to be right now,

692
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: because we got the people and and and Bill Poleon,

693
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: and you know he he's built a lot of teams.

694
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: He took to Winn't paid Blue Bombers to Great Cup.

695
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: He took Buffalo of four super Bowls. He took Carolina

696
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl be where he left. And so

697
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing. He knows how to organize,

698
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: he knows how to staff a team, and so he

699
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: did a fantastic job. And we had a good offensive line.

700
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: As I say, they were well coach, And I make

701
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: mention of it in my book in the playoff game

702
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: where we beat the Patriots to go to the first

703
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Uh, we run money in hass third and

704
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: four or five or something like that. They thought the

705
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: whole world that we're going to pass and we just

706
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: ran a simple dive. But the whole thing, and I

707
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: referenced it, it was the block of the century, was Jeff.

708
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: Saraity on Vince Wolfork.

709
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it took the noseguard and just collapsed him. And

710
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: I mean there was a figure enough you and I

711
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: could run to it. And so it was a combination

712
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: of everything. Jeff sarity is speech before the Super Bowl

713
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: game was excellent, and we just we had good people.

714
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: And every place I've been where we won, we always

715
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: had one or two players to take ownership of a team.

716
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: When I was at Pittsford, Joke Green's team, he took ownership.

717
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: And this is how you do it at Pittsford. Well,

718
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: that same thing was true at in the Depolis. Never

719
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: was Peyton Uh jeff On of offense actually on defense,

720
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: Gary Brackett Uh was the leader and took ownership. And

721
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: and when you get guys to take ownership, then you

722
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: got to make sure you got followers and people would

723
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: follow them. And and that's that's how you went. As

724
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: I said, simple game, It ain't easy. Uh. You gotta

725
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: have the breaks, you gotta stay healthy, and and then

726
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: you get into a situation where I don't know, we

727
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: we played the soup Bolts, rainstorm whatever, and dominant Rhades

728
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: is a hero.

729
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: I mean that's how it goes. Coach, I just when

730
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: it comes to you and your offensive mindset and Peyton Manning,

731
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 2: how much how much of you had to serve as

732
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: a psychologist, if you will, more so than a coach

733
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: when you're coaching the greats. We'll get to Brady we

734
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: got a Super Bowl to go over down here in Tampa.

735
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: But like with those sort of guys, you have to

736
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: be their friend. They have to trust you at the

737
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: same time, but both of those guys want to be coached,

738
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: so you have to put yourself in that position. How

739
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: far how much of a fine line is that when

740
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: you're talking about the absolute greats to play the game?

741
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: Well, John Elway had a quote, and I think it's true.

742
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: To be great, you're going to be good every day.

743
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: And that was Peyton. Peyton was good every day. Peyton

744
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't allow himself to have a bad day, and he counted,

745
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: he haunted on us, and it was our responsibility to

746
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: have answers, and everything was answers. Hey, Tomas, they do this,

747
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: what do we do? They do this? Where do we go?

748
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: So he made you a better coach because of that,

749
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: and he made he made everybody in the building better

750
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: because they knew how hard he worked and how committed

751
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: he was to the whole process. And you get to

752
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: a point where you don't want to let Peyton down

753
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: because you know the effort he's put into it. So

754
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: that's the big thing is making sure you give him

755
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: the answers. And I remember one time we played Baltimore

756
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: in a playoff game and I think it was a

757
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: fifteen to nine game.

758
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: They had three tiggles, we had ray Lewis.

759
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: After the game, he said, tough game, but he said

760
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: the problem. He said, every time we did something, Peyton

761
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: had an answer for it. Well, as a coach, that

762
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: makes you feel good because you gave him a chance.

763
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: And then you got someone special like Peyton, and he's special,

764
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: so you do you give him, You teach him and

765
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: train him and go through everything, but give him the

766
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: opportunity to make decisions out on the field. It's about players,

767
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: ain't about coaches, and it's not about Tom Moore. And

768
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: I say this, if I had not allowed Peyton to

769
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: do all the things that he did, and they have

770
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: all the freedom and liberty, they would have arrested me

771
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: for malpractice.

772
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: Right. You got to You've got to let these thoroughbreds run,

773
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: is what you're That's what I'm here.

774
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they got him run and he's a throwbread.

775
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: Now you got to train them, yeah, and you got

776
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: to teach him, and you got to give them the

777
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: weapons so they can do it. But what did you

778
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: do then let them go. Let him do it.

779
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: You coached Brady and you coach not many can say

780
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: that if coach Brady the Super Bowl championship, have coached

781
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: Peyton to a Super Bowl championship? Did when you coach Brady?

782
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: Were you guys talking a lot? Did he ask a

783
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: lot of questions about eighteen Did he ask a lot

784
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 2: of questions about your offense in Indianapolis? How he can

785
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: do that, how he can copy that? Are some of

786
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: the plays that you took to your Super Bowl championship?

787
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: Did you take those to Tampa Bay? Give them to

788
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: Tom Brady if you will. But I want to know

789
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: the respect that those two had for each other. Obviously

790
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: you were an interim between them. You were the guy

791
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: in the middle. Both of those quarterbacks talk so highly

792
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: of each other. Did they steal from each other?

793
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say so. Say they had. You know, at

794
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: New England, they had their their set up, their philosophy,

795
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: their base that they worked with. It was different than ours.

796
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that the town necessarily had the freedom

797
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: that Peyton had. And you know, by the time he

798
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: came here, you know, he've been in the league eighteen

799
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: twenty years. By the time he came here, and a

800
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: lot a lot of the offense. Of course, the offense

801
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: at that particular time was Bruce's offense, which you know,

802
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: Bruce had his own particular philosophy what he wanted done

803
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: and stuff. And actually, you know, Clyde Christenson was the

804
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: quarterback coach. I just made suggestions or help. I wouldn't.

805
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't that very instrumental or vital in the success

806
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: that we had here. And he'd been coached for twenty years.

807
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: I mean, Brady, he's going to kind of do what

808
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: he does well.

809
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: If I talk to Tom Brady, if I talked to Bruce Arians,

810
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 2: which I have, if I talked to Baker Mayfield, They're

811
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: all going to say that bs.

812
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: Tom.

813
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but they're all going to say that's BS.

814
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: Because you're putting him in a position to succeed. That's

815
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: what it is. You're still doing that now, still on

816
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,959
Speaker 2: the offensive staff at Tampa Bay. After a great run.

817
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: When you get your hands on Brady, if you had

818
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 2: your hands on Manning at that point, now you get

819
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: your hands on arguably the greatest of all time, does

820
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: your coaching philosophy change at all because you've got a

821
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: guy that's had major, major success, not only that, a

822
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: guy you've been trying to whoop for a lot of

823
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: weekends in your NFL career. How is that coaching somebody

824
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: like that? When a Tom Brady at the goat of

825
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: all of his career, if you will at quarterback, does

826
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: your coaching change at all?

827
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: Now? Now, I got you've got to have a philosophy

828
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: that you believe in. And my philosophy is you win

829
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: with players. But after you with players, you've got to

830
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: teach them what to do and how to do it.

831
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: And that's never going to change. I've never been a

832
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: big gimmick coach. I think you take gimmicks and all

833
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: you do is you be bad people worse, you never

834
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: be good people. Every now and then you may upset them,

835
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: but you don't when with gimmicks. You don't. When tricking

836
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: people and stuff, you win sound fundamentals and techniques. And

837
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: it's every year and learning us from Chuck and Chuck

838
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: you see, treat them like men and coach them like rookies. Yeah,

839
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: and don't assume anything. And when I was at Indianapolis,

840
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: it was so basic. The first staff training camp for

841
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: thirteen years, the first hour of the first practice was

842
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: walking through and teaching everybody how to block and tackle by.

843
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 2: The numbers, the fundamentals every year.

844
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: And he said, treat them like men and coach them

845
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: like rookies, and start from the beginning. And he had

846
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: a thing and I believe this and I can. We

847
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: can relate each other on this. He used to say,

848
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: motivation is teaching someone how to do something that they

849
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: don't know how to do, and then when they're asked

850
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: to do it, they have success. They're motivated. So you're

851
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: a golfer. You don't know how to get out of

852
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: a sand trap, and somebody teaches the ard to get

853
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: out of a sand trap. Your eyes get this big.

854
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: Your motivating. Well, that's what motivation is. Teaching these guys

855
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: so that they can have success when they're asked to

856
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: do something. And when I went to Pittsburgh, the first

857
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: guy that came sim was Lynn Swan and he says, Tom,

858
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: he said, John star Wart, I can catch football. But

859
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: he said, we're in this further long haul. You can

860
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: make a lot of money. And back in those days

861
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: it was a lot of money. It's nothing now, but

862
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: it was then. And we want to play for a

863
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Speaker 1: long time, So teach us what we don't know so

864
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Speaker 1: we can be good and stay in the league for

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Speaker 1: a long time. I said, well, don't you know? He said, well,

866
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Speaker 1: we need to work on reading coverages and testing routes,

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Speaker 1: getting open, stuff like that. So I said, okay, So

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00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: that's what we worked for. He said, if we can

869
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: catch a football, yeah, teach us out get open, teaches

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Speaker 1: how to read coverages, and so that's that's what we did.

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Speaker 2: And it seems it seems like you've carried that mantra

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00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 2: with you through everywhere you've been, I mean, every stop

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00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: that you've had along the way, the same sort of

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Speaker 2: m I was going to ask, what's the secret to

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Speaker 2: longevity and being at the top of your game, which

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00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: you've absolutely done for five decades? Now, what if there

877
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: is a secret, Tom? What is it? As we say goodbye,

878
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: what is the secret to Tom Moore's success?

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00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: Making the best bettor.

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00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: Well, you have a way of doing that.

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Speaker 1: That's my job, that's what you're paid to do. Make

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00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: the best better, and that's a coach, and in the

883
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: NFL that's your job, make the best better.

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Speaker 2: Wow. I could go on and on for a long

885
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: time with you, for a long time and go over

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00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 2: particular seasons. I love golfing with you, I love talking

887
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Speaker 2: football with you, and I miss you and we miss

888
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: you up here in Indianapolis and on behalf of everybody

889
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,959
Speaker 2: that's in this building right now. Brother, you are thought

890
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 2: of like a god around here and still to this day,

891
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: one of the football gods of Indianapolis and the era

892
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: of greatness, and you're right at the forefront. I just

893
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: want to say thank you for that and thanks for

894
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Speaker 2: all you do because everyone's a fan of this game

895
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Speaker 2: and you're one of the foundational members that built it.

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Speaker 1: I loved my said in Annapolis. We had great success,

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00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: and make sure that simply gratitude to mister Say and

898
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: Pete Board because they're really great people. Everybody the support

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Speaker 1: staff that it was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Wow. I'll tell you what, I don't think we're going

901
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 2: to play it this year unless we meet in the

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Speaker 2: super Bowl, and at that point I hope we wax you.

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Speaker 2: But up until then, my friend, up until then, best

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Speaker 2: of luck with Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 2: You are one of a kind. As I called you

906
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: early on in this interview, you're an offensive savant. There's

907
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 2: only a few of yous that walk this earth, and

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00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 2: it's a privilege to know you and call you a friend.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate everything that you did for us today to

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00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: kind of glance over your career and I'm indebted to

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00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 2: you for that. And like I said, if if you're

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00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: a fan of this game, it's this man you want

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Speaker 2: to thank. Thank you Tom Moore, Thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Glad to be on.

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Speaker 2: Your show, and we'll do it again. Thanks for watching.

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Speaker 2: This has been high volume. One of the greats to

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Speaker 2: ever do it. That's Tom Moore, coach down in Tampa

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Speaker 2: right now. It's coached over five decades in the NFL

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Speaker 2: and again member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: We are honored to have you more coming up in

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Speaker 2: the weeks to come. Appreciate you, coach more. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: to you down the road.

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Speaker 1: Should be played at high volume.