1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and forty, 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: which is airing in early April of twenty twenty. Like 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: many of you, Sarah and I are both locked down 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: to some degree. Sarah still has to go to the 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: hospital to work, so that's of course a different matter. 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: We had another episode running on our morning routines, and 16 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, our morning routines are very different 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: now in an era when nobody is going to school 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: in the morning, many people not going to a physical 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: office in the morning. And so while many of our 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: episodes we've decided to keep running and to do some 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: bonus COVID episodes. This one just seemed like it was 22 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: not going to be helpful right now. So maybe we'll 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: run again in the future when we can talk about 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: morning routines, because forever people will be trying to figure 25 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: those out. But right now, our mornings tend to look 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: a little different, right Sarah, Yours is probably quite a 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: bit different, quite a bit different. Yeah. I was like, 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: I don't think I anybody wants to be subjected to 29 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: the blow by blow of exactly what we do to 30 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: get like, you know, the kids to each school on time, 31 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: when nobody is going anywhere right now. So I'm glad 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: we decided to re record this episode, although I guess 33 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: it would have been sort of archival in a way. Yeah, 34 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: what life looked like in February exactly exactly February twenty 35 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: twenty versus April of twenty twenty. Yeah, clearly our mornings 36 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: are very different. I mean, in some ways they're a 37 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: lot more relaxed. Because the truth is, even though there's 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: things about this pandemic that are stressful and that are 39 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: might make work a little bit more challenging, there are 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: some things which make the logistics of the day to 41 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: day potentially a little bit easier in some ways. Have 42 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: you guys found that, Yeah, well, I mean, not going 43 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: anywhere removes a lot of time stress from a daily life. 44 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: I have been able to use my mornings for work 45 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: in a way that I haven't in years. You know, 46 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: things had changed anyway with the baby, the new baby, 47 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: but he often eats around five thirty or six in 48 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: the morning, and then when we had school, many times 49 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: Jasper would have to get up not too long after that, 50 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: so there wouldn't be a huge chunk of time in there. 51 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: I mean there's enough time for maybe me to get 52 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: a shower and you know, sit with my coffee for 53 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: ten minutes, which is nice, but it's not enough time 54 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: to do anything elaborate. But now nobody's getting up for anything. 55 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: I mean, we have morning meetings around nine nine thirty, 56 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: but that leaves quite a bit of space versus the 57 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: say six point fifty you know, stuff earlier. So I'm 58 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: getting up and feeding the baby, getting him back down. 59 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: He tends to still be sleepy in the morning and 60 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 1: can get quite a good long stretch of time there. 61 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: I get up, I record podcasts and do a little work, 62 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: and then when the morning starts for our learning, I 63 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: feel a little bit more relaxed about that, since I 64 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: know I got stuff done. Yeah, same thing. I mean, 65 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: when you think about the amount of minutes that previously 66 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: went into dragging the kids out of bed, getting them 67 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: dressed on a certain timeline, doing multiple drop offs, I'm 68 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: finding that I actually do have a little bit more 69 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: time to play with in the morning. I've been really 70 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: fortunate and lucky right now that the kids are sleeping 71 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: pretty well. And I don't know if that's we are 72 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: forcing them to go outside every day, maybe that helps 73 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: like reset their circadian rhythms, or maybe it's just the 74 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: newness to everything. But many nights they'll go to bed 75 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: between eight thirty and nine, and they're not up until 76 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: past seven, although I guess Annaboll I think she can 77 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: down at six forty five, and I said, oh, it's early, 78 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: and she's like really, and I'm like, well, for now, 79 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: because they've been getting up even closer to eight some mornings, 80 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: which is crazy, and that has allowed me to either 81 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: work on blog stuff or work on actual work stuff 82 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: and not be so stressed about trying to get everybody 83 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: ready in time and dragging them out of bed. So 84 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean that part's been kind of the one one 85 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: of the silver linings of this whole thing right now. Yeah, yeah, 86 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: And I mean I've found myself doing a lot of recording, 87 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: but it turns out that that is the only window 88 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: when everything is quiet in the house. I can't really 89 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: guarantee it the rest of day. I've done a few 90 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: like ad recordings, you know, if I can get a 91 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: minute that I know will be quiet, and I'm not 92 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: upset if it's not quiet, because then I just tell 93 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: that person to be quiet and try again, because it's 94 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: only thirty seconds that I need to get through. But well, 95 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,559 Speaker 1: I don't hear too much background noise right now. Where's 96 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: everybody right now? I told everyone to be quiet. Now 97 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: they're in the base. I just bet you so he's happy. 98 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: We are recording this ad around noon, and yeah, like 99 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: normally our episodes are many weeks in advance, but this 100 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: is less than a week from when it airs, so 101 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: it's like current. Yeah. Well, it's also that this podcast, 102 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: I've also said, you know, our listeners are used to 103 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: the back and forth of two people, and you know, 104 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: I've fed the baby on the show. I just feel 105 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: slightly less like, you know, if there's one person talking 106 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: which is what happens with Before Breakfast, and then this 107 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 1: new podcast. It sounds weird. If there's noise, it sounds 108 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: like there's a mistake. I mean it's a scripted show. Yes, no, 109 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: it makes sense if you're the one reading the script, 110 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: then you can't really be like, Oops, the baby just cried, 111 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: but you just let that well, I mean, I know 112 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: you made the announcement on your blog as well, but 113 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: why don't you tell our listeners just in case they're 114 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: looking for another morning podcast to listen to. Yeah, so 115 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: I just launched a new every weekday morning podcast some 116 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: of our listeners may currently listen to Before Breakfast, which 117 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: is and every weekday morning. Short tip, just take your 118 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: day from great to awesome. Something productivity time related. And 119 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: so a couple of weeks ago, iHeartMedia and I started 120 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: talking about just the huge shifts in how people are 121 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: working these days, with so many people working remotely for 122 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: the first time, all the changes that are coming out 123 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: of that. And yes, a lot of people will wind 124 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: up back in the office in another month or two 125 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: most likely, but for many people there's this wall that 126 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: has been breached in the sense that it turns out 127 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: your job can be done remotely and maybe it doesn't 128 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: have to be done between nine and five and a 129 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: certain location. And so because of that, people are going 130 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: to be working differently. And this podcast is called The 131 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: New Corner Office and modeled on Before Breakfast. It's an 132 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: every weekday morning tip on how to thrive in this 133 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: new world of work where location and hours are more 134 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: flexible than in the past. So yes, the immediate news 135 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: hook is people working at home with COVID nineteen restrictions, 136 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: but I really believe this trend is be so much broader, 137 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: last so much longer than that, and hopefully this podcast 138 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: will help people get through that. Well. It's so interesting 139 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: because you know, we had talked about doing telemedicine as 140 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: a group for months and we sort of launched it, 141 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: like I think there was one provider, one of our 142 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: nurse practitioners was doing it for our diabetes patients, but 143 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: it just kind of stagnated because there was no urgency. 144 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: And now over the past just few weeks, we have 145 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: obviously by necessity, ramped it up big time and I'm 146 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: finding that it's actually, like logistically pretty great. So I'm 147 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: hoping that maybe this will be one of the things 148 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: that sticks, and maybe I'll even find myself having to 149 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: glean some of your tips because I'm finding that parts 150 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: of my job could be done remotely. Now. Whether or 151 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: not that will be allowed in the post COVID era, 152 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I know every workplace is different, but 153 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that, you know, by trying to be as 154 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: productive and valuable as I possibly can during this time, 155 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: maybe I can demonstrate that some of that flexibility could 156 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: be used later on, and then I could continue to 157 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: do lunchtime podcast recording to Flora exactly. No, but I 158 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: mean the whole tel of medicine thing, that's a great example. 159 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many routine office visits that 160 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: you didn't actually need to, like do a procedure or 161 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: a full physical exam or something like that, and there's 162 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: no reason it couldn't be as long as you can 163 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: get the privacy concerns worked out and the security and 164 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: aspects like that. And if you consider some of your 165 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: patients who are having to come in multiple times per 166 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: year for checkups, I mean, that's a lot of time 167 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: spent getting to your office, waiting in the waiting room. 168 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: I mean, even though you're very prompt, it's still time 169 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: and not having to do that as probably a huge 170 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: benefit for your patient's families, and it is. I think 171 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: they'll be lobbying for it too. I think in particular 172 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: our diabetes patients because they do have you know, many 173 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: of them come in like six times a year, because 174 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: they may come in for four doctors' visits and then 175 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: two like educator visits and a dietician visit. And really 176 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: like if we saw them in person for two of 177 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: those visits per year, that would be probably perfect and 178 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: then the rest of the time we wouldn't have to 179 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: disrupt their routine so much. So yeah, I mean there 180 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: are some good things that will likely come out of 181 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: all this. Yeah, and none of this has to be 182 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: either or. I mean, like you said, seeing them twice 183 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: a year and then doing four telemedicine visits would be 184 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: a great balance between the two. As somebody left a 185 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: comment on my blog that I love just because it 186 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: just put a number on it, and she said that 187 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: doing a meeting or a class by zoom was about 188 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: seventy five percent as good as it was in person, 189 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's a good proportion. That's a good 190 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: number to hang on to because then if you think 191 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: about it, like, if you did two really good zoom calls, 192 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: they could definitely take the place of one in person 193 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: meeting for many occasions and you'd come out ahead. So yeah, 194 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: I think it's going to change and hopefully see how 195 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: that goes. Be better for people, better for the planet, 196 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: all kinds of upsides. Yeah, that's true, better for you 197 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: because maybe your husband won't have to go to Europe 198 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: so often. Yeah, well, he's had not gone anywhere for 199 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: a long time and he's been here. It turns out 200 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: lot of stuff can be done by video conference or 201 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: by phone, and you know, I think there's just this 202 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean, now people have to but it turns out 203 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: that if it comes down to it, you can pitch 204 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: a major project to a client by video conference. And 205 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: in the old way of working, I mean, people's like, oh, 206 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: well you have to be there in person and shake 207 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: their hand and you know, have dinner to talk about 208 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: it or whatever. And I'm not saying that won't happen, 209 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: but it turns out that that's not the only way 210 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: that it can happen. And so even sales and client 211 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: service can be done partially virtually as long as you 212 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: maintain something to do with that relationship in person from 213 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: time to time too. Yeah. Well, I definitely want to 214 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: get into some practical tips from you, but I think 215 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: we should have a quick emotional check in. Yeah yeah, 216 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: So how are you doing, Sarah? You know, I'm I'm 217 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: doing better today. I've gone through like all these phases, 218 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: and I don't know, some people say they're like similar 219 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: to the stages of grief for Cooper or whatever. Yeah, 220 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: the Googler Ross phases exactly. I think I think I've 221 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: hit a little bit of an acceptance period. I almost 222 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: feel like I hit through that. Yeah, yesterday I had 223 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: like a hunger and then I don't know, I was 224 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: having a lot of trouble with as a healthcare provider, 225 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: the idea that like I would lose my autonomy. I 226 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: kept having nightmares about going back to residency and being 227 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, placed in the ICUs and things that I 228 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: really disliked doing. During training. Last night, I even had 229 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: a dream I was rounding on plastic surgery patients, which 230 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: is not realistic. By the way, There's like definitely a 231 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: kid screaming in the background. I'm sorry, so, but then 232 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I don't know, this morning, I 233 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: was like you know what, I am an autonomous adult. 234 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: I'm also not a residence, so it's not even like 235 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: I would have to give up my medical career if 236 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: I got to a point and was uncomfortable with something. 237 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: And I can try to be as useful as possible 238 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: during this pandemic in the ways that I feel comfortable doing, 239 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: whether that's telemedicine and some in person stuff, and make 240 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: myself useful in the many ways that I hopefully can. 241 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I still get 242 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: to make my own choices, and I guess acknowledging that 243 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: that autonomy is real as an adult. I don't know. 244 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: I just I felt a lot better all of a sudden, 245 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: and I felt more motivated to just try to achieve 246 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: and help people and do my job in the ways 247 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: that I can and in the ways that I am 248 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: currently useful. So yeah, I'm having a better day. O good. 249 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. Also, it's the start of 250 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: a new month that we're recording this, and so I know, 251 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: Sarah always, I've been reading your blog for a long 252 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: long time, and the new month is always this like excitement. 253 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: I always have a good start of the month it's true. Yep. 254 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: There's a few other blogs I follow where I noticed 255 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: the same pattern, and I don't know if it's I 256 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: guess it's not just an upholder thing because that would 257 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: be you too. But nope, definitely get some energy from 258 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: the new month, even though it's April Fool's Day, which 259 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: I hate that holiday. I know. I'm not a big 260 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: fan of pranks either. We've unfortunately that has been limited 261 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: in this household at the moment. So what about you? 262 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: Have you felt pretty good with this or I mean 263 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: you've had a lot of happy stuff happening with the 264 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: new podcast launch. Yeah, yeah, No, I'm pretty much doing fine. 265 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: I mean there's various you know, partly it's the weather 266 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: is getting better. I mean, on rainy days is when 267 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm just ticked off about everything. But when it's sunny 268 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: and getting to be spring, the flowers are out, that 269 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: that does wonders for mood. You know. Starting the new 270 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: podcast is exciting, to be honest. I had had a 271 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: little bit of anxiety about some work travel in Q 272 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: two and how much of that I would have and 273 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, just with the new baby and we've got 274 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: some changes coming up with childcare, you know, just how 275 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: that was all going to play out, and now I 276 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it, like I'm not going 277 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: anywhere for a long time, and so well, while that 278 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: is perhaps not the best for my income, it is 279 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: what it is. And so oh yeah, the longer maternity 280 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: leave has got some upsides to it. I've found that 281 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: just staying off the news is the best thing I 282 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: can possibly do. And I recognize this as somebody who's 283 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: worked in media in the past that you know you 284 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: want to keep people engaged with your content, and the 285 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: best way to do that is to have stuff that 286 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: is anxiety producing, that is, you know, as big as possible. 287 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: Normalcy good news does not keep people clicking. And so yeah, 288 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: that's I'm not saying there isn't a bunch of bad news, 289 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: but if you limit your exposure to it, I think 290 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: you can be an informed citizen. Maybe checking once a 291 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: day and that's all you need to do, and maybe 292 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: you even make a ritual of it, like doing it 293 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: at a time when you were best able to handle it. 294 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: Maybe that's right before you go exercise or something, because 295 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: that you know that will put you in a better mood, 296 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: so you can check it right before exercising, or even 297 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: close it out with some sort of positive change, right, 298 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: like you text an elderly relative, or you know, make 299 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: a donation to doctors without borders, or just something that's 300 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: positive at the end of your news checking, then go 301 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: do something you put you in a better mood, and 302 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: then do not look at it again. I think it's 303 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: not sticking your head in the sand. But there's only 304 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: so much you can do about certain things. And if 305 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: you can't do anything about certain aspects of the world, 306 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: then there's not much to be gained by being miserable 307 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: about it. Does that make sense? Totally agree? And I 308 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: wonder if, like many others, I've sort of hit news fatigue, 309 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: Like I was clicking on a lot of articles and 310 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: links and like learning all this stuff, and now I'm like, okay, 311 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: like I'm tired and it's not helping me anymore. So 312 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: we already have our plan, which is to continue social 313 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: distancing for right now, and I don't think anyone really 314 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: knows anything further. So yeah, all right, we do have 315 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: to take our quick ad break for a moment, and 316 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: then let's talk about school. All right, We are back 317 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: talking life in this new normal, how we're doing in 318 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: early April of twenty twenty. And one thing we are 319 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: doing in April of twenty twenty that we weren't in say, 320 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty is homeschooling slash distance virtual learning. So, Sarah, 321 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: how has that been going? So we're actually very late 322 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: to that party because the timing of our spring break 323 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: kind of had us protected. We had our last day 324 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: of school on March the thirteenth, and the week after 325 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: that was going to be kind of like a throwaway anyway, 326 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: because that week had I think one day off for 327 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: election Day, and then the friday was off and one 328 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: half day, like it was going to be like half 329 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: a week. So they were like, okay, don't worry about it. 330 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: And then the week after that, the week of March 331 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: twenty third, was spring break. So we actually have only 332 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: been in quote unquote school for this is the third 333 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: day now, which I think is behind like money. My 334 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: friends are like, I'm on day eighteen or something. So 335 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: I guess I feel a little bit lucky that we 336 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: were somewhat spared in that regard. I would say that 337 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: second grade is going pretty well. My daughter is you know, 338 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: she's able to read, which makes doing on screen work 339 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: a lot simpler when you can refer to directions and stuff. 340 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: My kindergartener needs a lot of handholding, and I know 341 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: that some of that is just based on his learning 342 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: style and some of it is just based on the 343 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: way the resources are presented. So because my husband and 344 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: I have been more flexible, we have been able to 345 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: devote some of that time. But I also sent a 346 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: teacher an email that was like, we're going to be 347 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: spending one to two hours maximum with him per day 348 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: doing learning. I'm sorry, that's all we can do, thank you. 349 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: And she wrote back and she said that's completely fine. 350 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: So it is what it is, and honestly, that's all 351 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: we get here in this district anyway. I mean, we 352 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: have half day kindergarten, and if you want extra then 353 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: you have to pay for enrichment in a private school. 354 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: Half the day wrap around care, so they're only in 355 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: class for about I mean, the whole school day is 356 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: two hours and forty five minutes and part of that 357 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: is snack and outdoor play and whatever. So yeah, I mean, 358 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: if you have an hour to a day for kindergarten, 359 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: you're fine. That is so interesting because like the normal 360 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: kindergarten here is eight to two, and it's treated just 361 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: like another They even get grades like it's crazy. But 362 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: they're still five and six year old, so I mean 363 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: they still have the same capabilities in Florida as they 364 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: do about the time. I'm pretty sure it yeah, well, yeah, 365 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: and it's just what you say. If you can't read 366 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: the whole idea of distance learning is somewhat difficult to 367 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: make happen. Yeah, we've been doing this for two and 368 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: a half, close to three weeks now, and it's you know, 369 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: we're getting into a routine of it. We're figuring it out. 370 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 1: We're mostly doing the instruction in the morning, and I 371 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: have gotten I'm trying to be more relaxed about it 372 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: in the sense that if I get up early and 373 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: get my work done, and I'm trying to do the 374 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: bulk of any focused have to do today work between 375 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: about six thirty and eight thirty in the morning, because 376 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: then once stuff starts after that, I'm troubleshooting a lot. 377 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: We have four kids doing virtual stuff there. We actually 378 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: had four kids on Zoom at the same time the 379 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: other day, so but in different Zoom meetings. Yeah, different 380 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: Zoom meetings. So we have a lot of devices in 381 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: this house, but that's still a lot of different things. 382 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: So we have my laptop, we have another laptop we 383 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: had bought so that we had one that wasn't my 384 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: husband's work computer because that's owned by his employer, so 385 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, better not to put too much extra stuff 386 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: on that. We use my phone, he is my son's 387 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: phone because again we own that as opposed to the employer. 388 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: And it was just like, we have a desktop, so 389 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: then if somebody else needs to be doing work that's 390 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: not videocam you know, webcam enabled, they can be on 391 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: the desktop during that time. But yeah, it requires a 392 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: lot of devices, so that that's been troubleshooting with Zoom. 393 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: In between the hours of nine twenty and ten thirty 394 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: is kind of what I'm doing. I sit down with 395 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: Alex on my lap most mounties unless I'm feeding the 396 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: baby at the time, and Alex does circle time for 397 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: his preschool at nine to twenty, and that's been really 398 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: cute to have everyone check in and the teacher leads 399 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: the same circle they would have done there, and then 400 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: they send around things that they would have done as 401 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: assignments like tracing letters or circling numbers and other age 402 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: appropriate sort of pre KK related stuff. So yeah, it's 403 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: been doable. Jasper's got pretty much full on school. Like 404 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: all his teachers are now sending assignments and some are 405 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: starting to do interact of synchronous stuff, so he needs 406 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: to keep track of when his classes are and sign 407 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: on for those. Yeah, we're hanging in there. I guess 408 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: we'll get better and better at this as the time 409 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: goes on. But I will say I have, like I mean, 410 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: I appreciated teachers already, Like, don't get me wrong, but 411 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: now I not only appreciate teachers, but I really do 412 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: appreciate that you send your kids to play school during 413 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: the day where you know they're safe and you know 414 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: that they're having like productive time, or at least you 415 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: kind of assume that they are. And it also serves 416 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: as a way, I mean, like not to bring the 417 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: big g of guilt word in, but like I don't 418 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 1: feel guilty when I'm working and they're in school. And 419 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: yet you know, of course, I think both Josh and 420 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: I feel a little bit bad if we're seeing patients 421 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: on telement and we can hear them downstairs struggling or 422 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: you know they're trying to get us or something's happening. 423 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: So I greatly appreciate that school exists and I can't 424 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: wait for it to starting, you know, I know, yes, 425 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: don't take that one for granted. Well, it's funny. I've 426 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: sort of yes, the amount that we view school as 427 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: not just school, but as custodial care for children during 428 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: the day, that it's a safe place and when it's 429 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: not able to serve that function for kids, that is 430 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: obviously hugely disruptive for many people. And you're so how 431 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: much are you working from home versus being at the 432 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: office and in the hospital. So there was like a 433 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: lot of different permutations. Right now, I'm pretty much from 434 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: home except for my on call week, and I thought 435 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: my on call week was going to be very frequent 436 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: because the number of the providers in my division where 437 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: we were trying to protect them basically for different medical reasons. However, 438 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: they did set up telling medicine for inpatient stuff, so 439 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: I think that's going to be less of an issue, 440 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: which I am so happy about. So right now I've 441 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: just pretty much been home. I have a call week 442 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: in early April, so during that week I will be 443 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: going to the hospital, probably most days of not every day, 444 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: but only for a couple of hours. Josh was even 445 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: saying like he's never been so desperate to get in 446 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: and get out when he's seeing patients because there's just 447 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: no reason to stay. You do your documentation and a 448 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: lot of other things digitally, it's just like the hands 449 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: on part that needs to be hands on, and then 450 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: you just want to leave because everybody's just a lot 451 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: of stuff, you know. I know I can't and we're 452 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: not even allowed to speak to specifics, and I'm sure 453 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: who knows this is airing in a week. Things could 454 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: have changed even by then, but it's just it's not 455 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: a place that anybody should be hanging out, just for 456 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: safety reasons, for the patients or for themselves. So yeah, yeah, 457 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: getting it out. Definitely get in and get out as 458 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: fast as you can and scrub yourself down on the Yeah, 459 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: I have scrubs now. I haven't worn scrubs since twenty ten, 460 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: and my division chief she sent her husband to like 461 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: the scrub store to buy us all scrubs, and I 462 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: have a set of black scrubs and it's like I 463 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: put them on and was like, oh my god, time machine, 464 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: Like it was like a filing and a resident again, right, 465 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: you're in exactly. Oh my goodness. Yeah, well, we thought 466 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: we we'd share a few work from home tips in 467 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: this podcast. I'm sure people are work from home. We're 468 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: figuring them out too. I mean, I was basically just 469 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: going off what you put in your letter of what 470 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: you've been trying to figure out over the past few days. 471 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: Like first, the fact that it turns out that traveling 472 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: to work and traveling home provides a break in the day, 473 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: Like it's very clear when you start your work and 474 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: when you end your work, if you are getting in 475 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: a car and going somewhere. Yeah, it's so interesting, Like 476 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,239 Speaker 1: I never really thought of it like that, but all 477 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I was finding myself and Josh was like, 478 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: what are you doing? Why are you like sending another email? 479 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: Why are you like sending another text? And I think 480 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: especially all of us who are new at this, so 481 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: we're not used to like setting an end time, We're 482 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: all just like the doctors are texting each other at 483 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: eight o'clock and nine o'clock when we wouldn't be doing 484 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: that normally, because it's like we would have finished our 485 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: work day and be home and then add to the 486 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: fact that obviously we're doing a lot of like logistical 487 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: discussions and stuff. So I have found that my day 488 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: has bled so badly that I'm just trying to cut 489 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: it off and not respond to text change and if 490 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: somebody calls me, like an actual telephone call, like I 491 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: will answer it if something's going on, but really most 492 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: things can probably wait till the next day. And it 493 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: was just out of the fact that there was no 494 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: natural ending, I think that stuff was continuing. So I'm 495 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: a total newbie, but I'm already figuring that out. Yeah. Now, 496 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people it really helps 497 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: have some sort of transition ritual that means you're starting 498 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: and some sort of transition ritual that means you are ending. 499 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you have to like I don't. 500 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: I will put it out there that I don't have 501 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: any sort of real transition ritual. But partly that's also 502 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: because all my kids are around here right now, and 503 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm work when I can work. I mean, that's honestly, 504 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: but when things are more normal than often, getting the 505 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: kids on the bus in the morning is the time 506 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: when I start, and I at least acknowledge that they 507 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: are getting off the bus in the afternoon. I'm not 508 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: saying I completely sap, but usually I would have had 509 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: activities that I need to start driving to, and so 510 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: then that provides some sort of ending element for it. 511 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: As well. Many years ago, when I did not have 512 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: children and I was first working at my kitchen table 513 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: in my apartment in New York, I wound up auditioning 514 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: for and singing in three different choirs. And the reason 515 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: was because it gave me something to do at seven pm, 516 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: three evenings a week, and so those were days that 517 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: I would stop work around six six fifteen so I 518 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: could get to rehearsal. And if I didn't have that, well, 519 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: I mean there was no efficiency whatsoever. I just like 520 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: keep working all evening, but not really I'd be like 521 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: half surfing the web, half working, and what is that like? 522 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's monstrously inefficient. So you know, having something 523 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: to end the day is good for people. And you know, 524 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: if you're in normal times working from home, it could 525 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: be going to get your kid at daycare, or getting 526 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: the kids off the bus, or sending your sitter home 527 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: or whatever it is. But we have to view things differently. 528 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: Now because of not having many of those obvious markers. 529 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: Another key thing to help you realize that the day 530 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: is done is to make a limited to do list 531 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: for the day with what absolutely has to happen, and 532 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: once you get through those things, you know that day 533 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: is good. Anything else is a bonus. I mean, stuff 534 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: may have come up. Usually a good reason to limit 535 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: the list is because stuff will happen that you could 536 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,479 Speaker 1: not have anticipated at nine am before five pm, and 537 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: those things will have to be dealt with. But if 538 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: there are say three things that you know you want 539 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: to get to today, and then you get through those 540 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: three things, well good, you can stop. So whereas if 541 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: you don't have that more limited, discrete list of things 542 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: to do, then it's always said, well I could be 543 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: doing something else. Well, yes you could, but you have 544 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: chosen the things that will happen today. You have done them. 545 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: The day can be over if you want it to be. 546 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: Conference calls are their own being focused? What are your 547 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: tips for that? Because I don't know that that part's hard. 548 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: Some conference calls are structured really well. Some seem like 549 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: they're longer than they need to be. I find that 550 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: taking notes sometimes helps, especially if they're like going over 551 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of logistical stuff. But yeah, please conference call tips, 552 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: I need them, well, whenever possible, make them video calls, 553 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: and I know you don't have that set up yet 554 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: for the internal calls, right, Yeah, So that's that's the problem. 555 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of the reason a lot of 556 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: people using stuff like Zoom and Blue Jeans and Google 557 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: hangouts and whatever is because it is very easy to 558 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 1: multitask on an audio only call. It is very hard 559 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: to multitask on a video call because you're looking at 560 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: people like they can tell if you've got your phone 561 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: up and you're checking it, or you're like, you know, 562 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: eating something, or you're you know, talking to another person. 563 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: So it keeps people focused when you can see them. 564 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: And so I highly recommend doing video calls whenever possible. 565 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you can reach it in agreement with your group, 566 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: like we don't care if your has and a ponytail, 567 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: if you've done your makeup, whatever, We're all in this together. 568 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: But look at them. I mean, that's that's that's honestly 569 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: the best thing I can say. You know, if you 570 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: are running the meeting treating it with the same level 571 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: of detail and care, that you will and in person 572 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: meeting that you're getting people together. So you need to 573 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: have a purpose. You need to have an objective for 574 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: the meeting, like how will the world change because you 575 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: had this conference call? And if nothing in the world 576 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: is going to change because you had this call, then 577 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: you really need to think about whether you actually had 578 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: to have all these people in one place, even if 579 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: it's a virtual place, account for what everyone on the 580 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: call is doing with every minute of the time they're 581 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: on it. I mean, that's if you can't do that 582 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: all on people randomly, call on people randomly. If you 583 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: can't account for what everyone is doing with every minute 584 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: they're on the call, then they probably didn't need to 585 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: be on the call. So that's just having that level 586 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: of care means you'll have a lot fewer calls. But 587 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: that's a very good thing. What else did we have? Oh, 588 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: you asked about breaks? What are you doing for brains? 589 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: Are you? What am I doing? Recording a podcast? Sometimes? 590 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: So a couple of times, if Josh has been home 591 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: and if I hadn't gotten my workout in the morning, 592 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: Josh has been doing some beach body with me, So 593 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: a couple of days go or last week I think 594 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: like midday, we like did a workout upstairs hiding from 595 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: the kids together. That was fun. Yesterday I was in 596 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: a total mood and I took a walk outside that 597 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: was helpful. Or I'm helping the kids with a little 598 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: bit of school. So yeah, those are pe been my 599 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: main breaks. What do you think are the best breaks? Well, 600 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: definitely going to walk outside is huge if you are 601 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: still able to do that in your area, which hopefully 602 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: people are, or even just go in your yard or 603 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: stand on your apartment balcony or something. But getting outside 604 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: and getting a little bit of physical activity are both 605 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: huge mood boosters. You know, maybe a mid afternoon cup 606 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: of tea something like that, or half caffeinated coffee, you know, 607 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: if you're going to do chores, I mean, this is 608 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: something that winds up distracting people when they're working from 609 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: home in a way that obviously it can't and when 610 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: you're in the office, if you're not seeing the dirty 611 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: dishes in the sink when you're at your office, those 612 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: could be done as a break. I would definitely recommend 613 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: leaving them for ex iplicitly chosen breaks, like don't sit 614 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: there and do them back and forth during the day. 615 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: I don't multitask on the conference call doing your dishes 616 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: just you know, say I'm going to take a fifteen 617 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: minute break mid morning. I'm going to take a fifteen 618 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: minute break mid afternoon. I will switch out the laundry 619 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: or ful the laundry during that time. I will go 620 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: do the dishes during that time. But you know, leave 621 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: those for breaks as well. Don't just try to do 622 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: them all day long just because theoretically you can. I 623 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: have not gotten sucked into much of that, although before 624 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,959 Speaker 1: I was working well this has listening with that. But 625 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: I will say, like the urge to organize during those 626 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: like pockets of time when you're with your kids at 627 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: home stuck doing nothing else for hours, I've felt that, 628 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: but I have not really done any organizing breaks per se. Yeah. Yeah, 629 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: And then you know, for the tips for people who 630 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, if you've got little kids and you've got 631 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: no child care, it's it's really rough. I mean, that's 632 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Getting up early in the morning 633 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: and doing stuff before they get up, doing nap time, 634 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: doing at night after they go to bed, having a 635 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: box of you know, new toys, like you know, if 636 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: you want to put in an order on Amazon, and 637 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: it's stuff's coming slowly now, but maybe a new toy 638 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: could come out right before, something that you absolutely have 639 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: to do that's not during nap time or early morning 640 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: or in the evening, you know, because it's and to 641 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: really triage your work list as well, because it's tempting, 642 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: like once you get the kid down for a nap 643 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, now I need to clean out 644 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: my inbox. Like, no, you do not need to clean 645 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: out your inbox during nap time. That's when you do 646 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 1: anything that absolutely cannot be done with the kids around, 647 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: whereas you can sit there and go through your inbox 648 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: like while they're crawling over your legs. During the day, 649 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: and so anything that could be done in two minute 650 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: chunks don't do during those times that are more open 651 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: for deeper work. So really triage in your to do 652 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: list that way totally. I think it might be fun 653 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: in the near term future, maybe if we can find 654 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,479 Speaker 1: the right guests to come on and talk about how 655 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: they're juggling this is. I do feel like it is 656 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: a very special and specific challenge. I can't speak to 657 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: those specific challenges as well, but I know it's incredibly 658 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: got to be incredibly hard, and hats off to people 659 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: who are still getting stuff done in those cracks of 660 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: the day when they can and hopefully taking turns with 661 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: your partner, because if you are in a two partner household, 662 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: then all kinds of time and yes, it is not 663 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: one party's responsibility. Both of you are in this boat 664 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: together if you're both trying to work, and so both 665 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: of you can take time within both of you can 666 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: handle school and stuff like that too. So we have 667 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: a question from a listener that is coming out of 668 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: some of this. Do you want me to read it 669 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: or you can read it, or okay, I'll read it. 670 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: All right, here we go. I'm like Sarah muted herself, 671 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: so apparently I'm meeting it. I'm reading it. So the 672 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: question from the listener says, in this unprecedented time of 673 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: not being recommended, when we can't just throw money at 674 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: childcare problems, I wonder at what point the mental slash 675 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: emotional slash psychological toll or damage of doing the right thing, 676 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: that is trying to work full time from home with 677 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: two small kids and feeling like a failure at both 678 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: becomes bigger than the risks associated with doing the wrong thing, 679 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: that is, using some form of non family childcare in 680 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: an area not yet considered a hot spot for infection, 681 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: but otherwise adhering to social distancing. I think it's an 682 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: impossible question to answer, but it's where I find myself 683 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: impossibly stuck. Specific example aside, I think I wonder if 684 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: someone's or many someone's mental health factors into the equation 685 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: at all when it comes to risk assessment of daily activities. Well, 686 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that, you know, the powers that be 687 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: on either the local, state or federal level are taking 688 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, the mental health of people trying to work 689 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: with small children around into their guidelines. I mean, you know, 690 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: I think they look at numbers that look scary and 691 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: think it's better to sort of put the boot down 692 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: in the hope of having those change, knowing that if 693 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: if they're more lax, a lot of people will just 694 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: say like, oh, it's not a big deal, don't have 695 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: to do anything, right, so it in general, I think 696 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: it's probably that people are risk managing all of this 697 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: and saying it's better to say don't do anything then 698 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 1: to say, okay, well just make a best call, because 699 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: then some people are be like, okay, I'm throwing a 700 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: party here, right, like, let me have fifty people over tonight. 701 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: That sounds awesome. So I think the you know, mayors 702 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: and governors are trying to make sure that people don't 703 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: do that, right, I mean, that's that's sort of what 704 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: I'm what I'm totally and I mean behavior is on 705 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: a spectrum, right, Like that's I think I wrote something 706 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: like holding on a party on the beach. That's disgusting. 707 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: But like, you know, getting some form of emergency childcare 708 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: if you you really need it and doing it in 709 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: a smart way, maybe that is okay. And again, I 710 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: don't want to make any health provider type decrees, and 711 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: every situation is going to be different, and I do 712 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: believe that the social distancing is very important overall. But there, 713 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, it is hard. It is very hard to 714 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: be in a situation when everything seems very black or white. 715 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 1: And sometimes there's alternatives that you can come up with 716 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: that are helpful. I mean, we did even talk about 717 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: the idea of finding like a live in college student 718 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: so that they essentially become a member. If things are 719 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: really dire, you have them kind of become a member 720 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: of your household and they can stay with you and 721 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: you can all socially distance together, and that would you know, 722 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: at least keep everything contained. I know that's probably not 723 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: feasible for every household, either from a financial level or 724 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: from a space level, but it is, like you know, 725 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: sometimes there are avenues around this where you can achieve 726 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: both aims. Yeah, so, Sarah, you said your love of 727 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: the week. You said I think you said it earlier, 728 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,439 Speaker 1: right that sending the kids to school. It's your love week, 729 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: non a home school is my love of the week. 730 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: So thank you teachers, thank you government, thank you for 731 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,399 Speaker 1: having school in general. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm a big 732 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: fan of school. I think I'm going to be a 733 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: big fan of camp this summer. Given how much time 734 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: we've been out, I'm going to probably try to sign 735 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: up for more camps if those are running, so their 736 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: kids are out the whole time. All non baby children 737 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: will be out of the house all summer long. Let's hope, 738 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: Let's hope, let's hope. Yeah. No, I mean, I'm trying 739 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: to keep a hopeful face on all this, and you know, 740 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: it looks like some of it is probably working. I mean, 741 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: some of the scariest things are lagging indicators. Deaths are 742 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: lagging indicators, somebody, you know, those numbers go up even 743 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: as actual yeah, because those reflect cases from like weeks 744 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: prior weeks, and you know, like we know and even 745 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: the new cases that are the new positives that are 746 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: getting posted. I mean, we know, for instance, a gentleman 747 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: who tested positive, but by the time he got his 748 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: test results, I mean, he was recovered, like he was 749 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: over it completely, and that was then registered as a 750 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: new positive when it came back right like, which is 751 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: way past the time when it was actually happening. So 752 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 1: not to say there's not a lot to worry about, 753 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: but you know, we are going to move through so 754 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: we can start seeing some plateaus. Plateaus would be great. 755 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: We're hoping for that, and hopefully by the time this 756 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: hours that will be the case. But we'll see. Oh well, 757 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,439 Speaker 1: no predictions that kind of time, just hopes, just all 758 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: hoping for life to go back to normal, you know, 759 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of us are sort of 760 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: thinking about it might be helpful to think about what 761 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: you want life to look like when things go back 762 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: to normal. What would you like to take out of this, 763 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: what would you what have you really missed? Because that's 764 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: the course the things that should go back in your 765 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: life first. And I've also been trying to think as 766 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: we're recording this on April first, of you know, the 767 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: odds are the kids will be out of school for 768 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: at least the next thirty days. I think that's probably 769 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: what it's going to be. And so if that is 770 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: the case, what do we want to do with this month, Like, 771 00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: what do we want the month of April twenty twenty 772 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: to look like, what would we like to remember from it, 773 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 1: what would we like to tackle during it? And so 774 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: trying to be a little bit intentional about that is 775 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 1: hopefully going to improve the experience thirty days thirty days 776 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: at least. Yeah, yes, well there you go. Well, anyway, 777 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: this has been best of both worlds with our COVID 778 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 1: related content here, our new routines, our new lives. We'll 779 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: be back next week with more on making work in 780 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me 781 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore 782 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura at 783 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best of 784 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for more 785 00:39:45,840 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: on making work and life work together. Eight