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Speaker 1: What do we have Crystal, Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: breaking news to cover This morning. South Africa presented their

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Speaker 1: case at the ICJ at the Hegue, so we break

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Speaker 1: that down for you. This comes as the hoofies have

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Speaker 1: stepped up their attacks, leading to a very dangerous situation

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Speaker 1: in the Middle East. We had a debate last night

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Speaker 4: We also had a Trump town hall. We have all

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Speaker 1: Highlight, oh highlight light out of those interactions.

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Speaker 4: What is it mean?

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Speaker 1: And of course Saga covered this yesterday. Chris Christy has

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Speaker 1: now dropped out of the race that could actually have

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Speaker 1: that as well. There are some significant developments in numerous

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Speaker 1: Biden made a big surprise visit to Capitol Hill and

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Speaker 1: DeSantis invented affirmative action for Jewish people.

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Speaker 1: So, whether you know it or not, CNN hosted a

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Speaker 1: debate last night between Republican presidential contenders Nicki Haley and

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Speaker 5: I wish Donald Trump was up here on this stage.

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Speaker 5: He's the one that I'm running against. He's the one

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Speaker 6: He said he was going to build a wall and

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Speaker 6: And I think the difference and we need to go.

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Speaker 5: Back to the basics and education, so we get back problem.

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Speaker 6: Though that word salad is the problem. She's always supported

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Speaker 6: Leadership is about getting things done, stop making it.

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Speaker 5: If leadership is about getting things done, how did you

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Speaker 3: Education what is more important? Here she's saying something go

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Speaker 4: I think I hit a nerve. So I mean that

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of like they get into it

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Speaker 4: Him doing here?

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Speaker 1: You're going mercilessly at each other for the honor of

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Speaker 3: And the only reason is because it's not about you.

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Speaker 2: When twenty ten spent twelve dollars at a Chinese restaurant,

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Speaker 2: it's like, it's there was.

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Speaker 2: So what this is about is he's tainted and he

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Speaker 2: this is about vibes. The problem, though, is that at

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump was on Fox News giving The Trump Show,

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 9: Can you say tonight that political violence is never acceptable? Well,

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Speaker 9: of course that's right, and of course I'm the one

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Speaker 9: that had very little of it. Take a look at

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Speaker 9: Wars again, I didn't start. I wasn't involved in Wars.

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Speaker 9: We beat the hell out of Isis. We won one

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Speaker 9: the violence that we've had, look at the violence we

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Speaker 9: have recently. But when you say bedlam, what do you

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Speaker 9: mean I think said bedlam? I think you look at

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Speaker 9: Joe Biden's bedlam. You have a man who can't lead.

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Speaker 9: You have a man who can't find his way off

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Speaker 9: a stage after he makes a speech that lasts for

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Speaker 9: I think that he's using this. This is just a

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Speaker 9: political ploy. Trump is a dictator. He wants to be

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Speaker 9: a dictator. You know, it's interesting. I did a show

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Speaker 9: Sean Hannah. Did you ever hear of him? He's a

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Speaker 9: very nice man, and he said, essentially, you're not going

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Speaker 3: Are you tell me.

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Speaker 9: I think he was trying to give me a nicer

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Speaker 9: question that maybe you guys, but he meant it very well.

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Speaker 9: I said, I'm going to be a dictator for one day.

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Speaker 9: We're going to do two things. The border, we're going

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Speaker 9: to make it so tight you can't get in unless

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Speaker 9: going to drill, baby, drill.

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Speaker 10: Some of my friends that supported you in twenty twenty

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Speaker 10: are not this time because they believe a Trump presidency

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Speaker 10: will bring four years of chaos due to your haters.

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Speaker 10: What is your response to them?

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Speaker 9: Well, I think, first of all, I'm glad you're asking

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Speaker 9: But just so you understand, we don't write any of

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Speaker 4: You all wrote the questions, just Claire.

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Speaker 9: We'll figure that one pretty soon.

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Speaker 1: Oh javit, Fox is there suggesting that they scripted the.

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Speaker 3: Come on, he asked it in the nicest way possible

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Speaker 3: and say like, I'm with you. Yeah, He's like, look, sir,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he is so thin skinned. He is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: But listening, you have to give it to him. He's trying.

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Speaker 3: It's funny any what he does.

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Speaker 1: Listen the content aside, because honestly, I think his content

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Speaker 1: put that aside of him. I mean, he's an another

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Speaker 3: I think he thinks it's very amusing.

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Speaker 1: I think he thinks it's amusing, and I think he's

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Speaker 1: we see is this like existential threat and pulling bears

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Speaker 1: that out that there are these you know, tendencies throughout

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Speaker 1: intuits that. No, actually people want to hear that I'm going.

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Speaker 4: To be that guy.

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Speaker 3: I think he both. There's two things.

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Speaker 2: So A there definitely is a desire, but be what

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Speaker 2: I as far as I understand, what he knows is

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Speaker 3: He knows how to get the.

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Speaker 2: Headlines that he wants that both work to his political

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Speaker 1: to pull off the upset victory, which polls shows she's

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Speaker 1: got a shot of at this point, then you could

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Speaker 1: create a permission structure for people who have felt like

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Speaker 1: I need to stay with Trump, or I need to

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Speaker 1: say I'm staying with Trump, even though I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: sick of him. I kind of do feel like he's old,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm this chaos. I'm not really down for it,

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Speaker 1: but I have felt like I need to stay in line,

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Speaker 1: and I felt like he's the guy, and there isn't

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Speaker 1: really room for an alternative. She creates a permission structure

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Speaker 1: for this theoretical group of people that I don't know

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Speaker 1: whether they exist or not, to then switch loyalties and

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Speaker 1: for the polls to flip in a dramatic way in

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Speaker 1: the way that they did for Joe Biden last time around.

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Speaker 1: In the way that they did for Barack Obama back

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight against Hillary Clinton. I think

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Speaker 1: it's theoretically possible. Again, do I think it's the most

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Speaker 1: likely outcome. No, I think the most likely outcome is

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Speaker 1: Trump romps. He wins basically every state, and this is

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Speaker 1: over in a couple of weeks. But this is the

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Speaker 1: first time where I can even really visualize a path

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Speaker 1: for anyone else to actually win out.

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Speaker 3: Right now, I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: I would say that the odds of it are less

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Speaker 2: than twenty percent. Honestly, that might even be generous. But

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Speaker 2: let's give it to her just for the sake of

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Speaker 2: it being fun. It just makes New Hampshire. They'll all

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Speaker 2: make or break. It's like she has to win. Yes,

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Speaker 2: primary Luckily we'll be having a great show during New Hampshire,

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Speaker 2: so we will all digest it. We would do so

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Speaker 2: here together. But I'm excited to see it. Oh, I

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Speaker 2: forgot to mention this. Have to put this up on

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Speaker 2: the screen. Trump is now pulling out the greatest hits

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Speaker 2: against Nicki Haley. He is now says in Nikki Haley, this.

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Speaker 3: Is from Gateway on It in one of the original

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Speaker 3: birth places.

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Speaker 2: He says in Nicki Haley situation, reports indicate that her

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Speaker 2: parents were not US citizens at the time of her

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Speaker 2: birth in nineteen seventy two. Based on the Constitution as

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Speaker 2: interpreted by one of their in house analysts, Chris disqualifies

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Speaker 2: Haley from presidential or vice presidential candidacy under the Twelfth Amendment.

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Speaker 4: The birth certificate.

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Speaker 2: Nikki, Well, no, this is different because this is she

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Speaker 2: was born here, but her parents weren't citizens whenever she

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Speaker 2: was born. Unfortunately for Trump, that's pretty well trodden territory

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Speaker 2: in terms of US citizenship law.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, though, you know, you got to throw whatever

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Speaker 3: you can. I actually don't think it'll be impactful at all.

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Speaker 2: It's more so that it demonstrates he sees her relatively serious, right,

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Speaker 2: and so.

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Speaker 3: He's got it. He needs a big win in Iowa.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think big win in Iowa twenty sox

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Speaker 2: or some points, blowout win that softens her up a

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Speaker 2: little bit going in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 3: But let's say she gets them within ten. She could

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Speaker 3: spin that and maybe she could win. Maybe that would

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Speaker 3: be extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: Because so much of politics is number one about expectations. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the expectation for Trump is that it's a blowout

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Speaker 1: in Iowa. And if so, if he doesn't meet those expectations.

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Speaker 1: And you also know, the media loves Nicky Haley. They

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Speaker 1: love her, and the billionaire class on the Republican side

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Speaker 1: they have lined up behind her like she is their

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Speaker 1: chosen Canadate.

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Speaker 4: Fox News loves her.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you know they will do everything they can

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Speaker 1: to spin the Iowa results in her favor even if

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Speaker 1: she doesn't win. I think it's very unlikely she wins

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Speaker 1: the Iowa caucus. I mean, listen, anything can happen, especially

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Speaker 1: it's supposed to be like minus freaking thirty in Iowa

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Speaker 1: that day. And so maybe she's really super organized, maybe

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Speaker 1: her people are really dedicated and die hard. Trump's aren't aren't.

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Speaker 1: If anything, I would think it would cut in the

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Speaker 1: other direction. But who the heck knows. But if he

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Speaker 1: fails to meet the very high expectations, the media is

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Speaker 1: going to spend it in her favor. She goes into

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire with the head of steam. Who knows what

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Speaker 1: could happen?

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Speaker 2: We will certainly see. Okay, let's move on to Trump

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Speaker 2: and his legal problems. This's probably more This probably is

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Speaker 2: the more important conversation for the overall election. There's a

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Speaker 2: couple of different instances that have happened. There was recently,

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Speaker 2: there have been a lot of hearings with respect to

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Speaker 2: Trump and in much of his challenges, specifically to the

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Speaker 2: January sixth prosecution that has been mounted against him by

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Speaker 2: Jack Smith. That all centers around presidential immunity and the

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Speaker 2: theory of how and when a president can be charged,

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Speaker 2: even a former president, and be held liable legally for

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Speaker 2: whether that person was currently occupying the executive office of

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Speaker 2: the president. So one of the judges who is hearing

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Speaker 2: this presidential immunity argument leveled a very interesting hypothetical. They

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Speaker 2: got an even more interesting answer. Here's what they had

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Speaker 2: to say.

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Speaker 11: Did a president order sealed Team six to assassinate a

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Speaker 11: political rival an official act in order to seal Team sits.

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Speaker 7: He would have to be and would speedily be, you know,

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Speaker 7: uh uh impeached and convicted before the criminals.

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Speaker 11: But if you weren't, there would be no criminal prosecution,

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Speaker 11: no criminal liability for that.

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Speaker 7: Chief Justices opinion in murder against Macison and h h

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Speaker 7: and the ar concut tradition and the plain language of

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Speaker 7: the apeachment judgment clause all clearly presupposed that what the

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Speaker 7: founders were concerned about was not.

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Speaker 11: I asked you a yes, no, yes, or no question.

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Speaker 11: Could a president who ordered seal team sits to assassinate

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Speaker 11: a political rival who was not impeached would he be

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Speaker 11: subject to criminal prosecution.

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Speaker 7: If he were impeached and convicted first?

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Speaker 11: And so your answer is.

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Speaker 8: Is my answer is qualified?

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Speaker 11: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Answer? Is it qualified? Yes? Interesting?

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Speaker 2: You know, I actually thought about it, and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: seem as nuts as it sounds, because if we think

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Speaker 2: back to the only similar analogous case Barack Obama. Uh,

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Speaker 2: do you remember whenever you assassinated anwar al ALWICKI? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so this was twenty eleven. I mean, this is actually

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Speaker 2: a crazy legal president. Yeah, Barack Obama, the president of

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Speaker 2: the United States Executive Office, held a due process style

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Speaker 2: hearing inside the executive branch and assassinated an American citizen

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Speaker 2: on foreign soil using the United States military.

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Speaker 3: Now, obviously it's substantively.

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Speaker 2: Different in that we're talking about a political rival here,

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Speaker 2: but technically, because all citizens are the same under the Constitution,

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Speaker 2: it's one of those where we somewhat kind of had

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Speaker 2: a test to this and nothing happened to him.

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Speaker 3: Now, I do not believe that that was the right

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Speaker 3: thing to do.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it was right that that was even

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Speaker 2: allowed to happen, and that there was some sort of crazy.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is is that because that did happen,

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Speaker 2: what I have seen is that could be cited as

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Speaker 2: an instance for which this has been held.

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Speaker 4: Right that I did.

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Speaker 1: Anyone try to bring charge is dismissed on the presidential immunity.

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Speaker 2: So his family brought charges or tried to bring them

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Speaker 2: in a US Corps, they were dismissed. It wasn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: on the grounds of immunity. I believe it was under

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Speaker 2: counter I'd have to go back and read. It has

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Speaker 2: been a while, but it was around counter terrorism grounds.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, if you do think about it substantively,

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Speaker 3: that was an insane.

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Speaker 1: But like, of course it's an insane situation. But that

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Speaker 1: couldn't be cited as precedent since there wasn't a ruling

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Speaker 1: that this was barred because present unity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but your point is taken. That's interesting.

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Speaker 1: That's what I hadn't thought of. But I mean, what

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Speaker 1: he's arguing for here is really wild.

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Speaker 3: I agree, because if you.

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Speaker 1: Think about just to lay on a separate scenario under

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Speaker 1: his legal theory here, Joe Biden could have Trump assassinated

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Speaker 1: resign Yes, before there are impeachment hearings, good to go,

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Speaker 1: can't prosecute me presidential immunity, this was an official act.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't impeached. Sorry, you can't get me.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, it really is like an insane thing

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Speaker 1: to argue that there is literally as long as they're

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Speaker 1: not impeached, they can do absolutely whatever they want. And

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Speaker 1: I believe it was perhaps our friend Bradley Moss on

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Speaker 1: Twitter who was pointing out like there also may be

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Speaker 1: a lot of politicians who are pretty reluctant to impeach

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Speaker 1: in the Senate when they know this person is so

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Speaker 1: crazy that they will just have you assassinated, you know,

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Speaker 1: willy nilly.

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Speaker 4: So it is, it is a wild thing dark.

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Speaker 2: This all traces back to the imperial presidency theory under

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Speaker 2: Richard Nixon and then really popularized by Dick Cheney and

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Speaker 2: the White House phill a lot of these people who

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Speaker 2: this is a very very actually recent interpretation of the

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Speaker 2: US presidency, but it combined at a time, unfortunately, when

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Speaker 2: the executive office became more powerful than ever before. This

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Speaker 2: is the most logical conclusion of that. I absolutely heart that.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely would hope that a court would strike somethingness

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Speaker 2: down because this is as king like as it gets.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is literally how they treated monarchs and

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Speaker 2: so called monarch monarchical constitutional systems.

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Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, the Constitution applies to everybody except for the.

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Speaker 4: King, except the king.

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Speaker 1: It seems like these judges were very skeptical of the

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Speaker 1: Trump lawyer case that was being made here.

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Speaker 4: This was in the d C.

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Speaker 1: Circuit Court of Appeals. This applies to some of the

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Speaker 1: crimes that Trump has been charged with. But even though

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Speaker 1: it appears they're going to side against Trump on this

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Speaker 1: pretty wide reaching claim he's making for immunity here, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that this was necessarily a loss for Trump,

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Speaker 1: in that his whole goal is to delay the longer

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Speaker 1: that he files these appeals and challenges, and they have

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Speaker 1: to be heard, and it takes a while to decide.

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Speaker 1: The clock is ticking, and really his hope at this

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Speaker 1: point is that he gets elected president and he's able

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Speaker 1: to part himself and get out of all of this

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Speaker 1: legal jeopardy. So even though again I think it seems

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Speaker 1: like the court is going to side against him on

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Speaker 1: this specific claim. There's still an important effect here in

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Speaker 1: favor of Trump.

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Speaker 4: Was just just to delay the proceedings.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So let's combine there, because there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: other developments. So that one was probably I would say,

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Speaker 2: net bad for Trump. Well, this one is definitely a

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Speaker 2: net good for Trump. Let's go ahead and put this

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Some absolutely wild allegations that

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Speaker 2: are coming out showing Fanny Willis, who's the district attorney

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Speaker 2: in Fulton County, Georgia, Well, her name is now being

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Speaker 2: brought up in divorce proceedings by a guy named Nathan Wade,

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Speaker 2: who Fanny Willis had been tapped as the prosecutor against

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Speaker 2: Trump in the grand jury investigation.

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Speaker 3: In the subsequent case, well, it seems now.

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Speaker 2: Quote as they put it here, the relationship between missus

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Speaker 2: Willis and mister Wade has not taken center stage in

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Speaker 2: the case against Trump, because on Monday, a lawyer for

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Speaker 2: one of the co defendants charged in a court filing

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Speaker 2: that miss Willis and mister Wade have been romantic partners

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Speaker 2: who are now quote profiting significantly from the prosecution at

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Speaker 2: the expense of the taxpayer. So in divorce proceedings, effectively

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Speaker 2: against mister Wade, the allegation is made that mister Wade

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Speaker 2: and miss Willis were in a romantic relationship, and that

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Speaker 2: mister Wade, while being unqualified as the prosecutor, has now

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Speaker 2: billed the Special Prosecutor Office for there are a total

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Speaker 2: of six hundred and fifty three thousand, eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty one dollars. Now currently none of this has been

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Speaker 2: confirmed Crystal, but much of it traces back to the

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Speaker 2: ongoing divorce proceedings. I think we would probably trace it

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Speaker 2: back to his wife, missus Joscelyn Wade, who is trying

666
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Speaker 2: to burn everything but honestly good firm. Yeah, I hope

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Speaker 2: she gets the bag. But the issue that comes through

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Speaker 2: this is that it would obviously taint the investigation for

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Speaker 2: the Georgia Fulton counter case, and in a lot of cases.

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Speaker 2: I actually thought this is the single strongest one against

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Speaker 2: Trump because.

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Speaker 3: It's about state law.

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Speaker 2: State law is the most iron clawed place where we

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Speaker 2: know election law is completely you know, the jurisdiction and

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Speaker 2: all that applies here. We had Trump on the phone,

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Speaker 2: we had the Grand Jurian investigation that was against him,

677
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Speaker 2: they have total authority. There's no actual major constitutional questions

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Speaker 2: about whether Georgia a state, you know, Georgia state court.

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Speaker 2: And that's part of the reason too, Crystal, why so

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Speaker 2: many of the people that they were charged co conspirators

681
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: have all flipped against him, including Sidney Powell and others.

682
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Speaker 2: They don't have the same level of constitutional defense. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the thing about Trump. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what he has been blessed by or whatever?

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Speaker 3: Does how does how is it that.

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Speaker 2: His opponents always seem to hand him something, because this

687
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Speaker 2: would be genuine grounds for at least trying for dismissal

688
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Speaker 2: in others, if you can argue a personal charge by

689
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Speaker 2: the person who's investigating you, it's just crazy.

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Speaker 1: It is wild if this is true of their allegations

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Speaker 1: at this point. But she has been brought up in

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Speaker 1: these Colors filings that part I think we have been confirmed.

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Speaker 4: But if it is true, it's the level of slaughter.

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Speaker 3: What are you doing here?

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Speaker 4: It's wild.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this person who you know is allegedly in the

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Speaker 1: relationship with Fanny well Willis and who was appointed as

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Speaker 1: by her as the prosecutor. Apparently it's just some basically

699
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Speaker 1: like kind of random suburban lawyer with no real relevant

700
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Speaker 1: like in the Georgia legal community. When he got picked,

701
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of head scratching of like, really,

702
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Speaker 1: this guy, he doesn't really like the experience, Okay, whatever,

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Speaker 1: I guess. And she was made to defend his choice

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Speaker 1: a number of times. She said, this is someone she

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Speaker 1: trusts that you know, she whatever he is, he has

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Speaker 1: experienced that she knows that she can go at him

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Speaker 1: and he'll come right back at her. She had to

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Speaker 1: defend it a number of times. So that's part of

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Speaker 1: why it looks a little bit fishier. I will say

710
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Speaker 1: the legal analysts that they quoted in the New York Times,

711
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Speaker 1: for whatever it's worth, seemed to think that it probably

712
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be grounds to completely like dismiss the case. But

713
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Speaker 1: for Trump, as we were just saying, so much of

714
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Speaker 1: this is not about the legal arguments. It's about the politics.

715
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Speaker 1: And this is a very potent political argument to make that,

716
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Speaker 1: you know, if it's true that this is her lover,

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Speaker 1: that she picked him and she's been, you know, funneling

718
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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars to him as part of

719
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Speaker 1: this prosecution. There's also allegations that were going on vacations

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Speaker 1: together using some of the money that came from this.

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Speaker 4: You know that he's benefiting from from the prosecution.

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Speaker 1: Again, this is allegations, but you can see how this

723
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Speaker 1: will be very politically salient for Trump.

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Speaker 4: And I just cannot imagine if.

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Speaker 1: Your fanning will is and know the level of scrutiney

726
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: you're going to get, you know what's coming at you,

727
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Speaker 1: that you would be this sloppy.

728
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Speaker 4: So we'll see how this one plays.

729
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Speaker 2: I will certainly see who That is the best news

730
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Speaker 2: for Trump that I've seen in a long time.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the next one.

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Speaker 2: Please, this just gets to a little bit we can't

733
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Speaker 2: forget because there's so many freaking legal proceedings around Trump,

734
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Speaker 2: So don't forget that he's also currently involved in a

735
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: civil fraud trial. He was supposed to be able to

736
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Speaker 2: give his own closing argument, where he was basically going

737
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Speaker 2: to say that this entire thing is a crazy witch hunt,

738
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Speaker 2: but the judge has now ruled that he is not

739
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Speaker 2: going to be allowed to give a closing argument and

740
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Speaker 2: instead that his attorneys will be required to do so.

741
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Speaker 2: He said, quote mean and nasty of the decision so far.

742
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Speaker 2: The issue here is that if this trial finds him guilty,

743
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: he will be liable for quote, hundreds of millions of

744
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: dollars in penalties, strips him of his business license in

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Speaker 2: the state of New York. Currently he is fighting the

746
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: allegation that he inflated his net worth.

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Speaker 3: About you know, you've done a lot of work on this.

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Speaker 2: People go and read in the past around whether he's

749
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: guilty or not. Honestly, at this point, given the situation

750
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: and all that, and also some of the prejudgments that

751
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 2: were made before they even went to trial, it's almost

752
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: certain that he's going to be convicted. So on a

753
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: personal level, this actually is a huge threat to his

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Speaker 2: overall quality of life.

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Speaker 1: So they've already found that he inflated the networth.

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Speaker 4: The question now is what is the penalties.

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Speaker 1: And again this is a civil case, so he's not

758
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Speaker 1: going to end up in prison. It's just a matter

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Speaker 1: of how much is he going to have to pay,

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Speaker 1: what is the impact to his businesses? And basically the

761
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: rub here and why they didn't end up letting Trump

762
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Speaker 1: give his own closing statement, is because the judge was like,

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Speaker 1: you have to just stick to the merits of the case.

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Speaker 1: You can't just go out and give some campaign speech

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Speaker 1: and Trump was like, no, basically, I want to give

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Speaker 1: a campaign speech, and they were like, you can't do that.

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Speaker 4: So that is why that fell apart.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's a reminder that all of these

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Speaker 1: things are unpredictable, chaotic. The timelines are incredibly unsettled. The

770
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: revelations that continue to emerge are you know, interesting and

771
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: potentially relevant in a political situation. And it also underscores

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00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: Trump is politically he is in the fight of his life,

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Speaker 1: Like if he does not end up in the White House,

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Speaker 1: it is very likely he's going to prison. You said

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Speaker 1: you thought the Georgia case was the strongest. I do

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Speaker 1: think the Georgia case is strong I think the Documents

777
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Speaker 1: case is probably stronger.

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Speaker 3: Even though I honestly forgot about your right.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the cases centering around January sixth and

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Speaker 1: stolen electors and whatever, I think the Georgia case is

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Speaker 1: the strongest. I think overall, the Documents case is strongest.

782
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: And yes, they have some constitutional questions that they're gonna,

783
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, assert, but it seems pretty open and shut

784
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: that one, just in terms of the facts, in terms

785
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: of the cover up, in terms of the level of

786
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: classification of the documents, et cetera. So if he's not

787
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Speaker 1: in the White House, it again very likely.

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Speaker 4: He is headed to prison.

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Speaker 1: So he's going to do whatever it takes to try

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00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: to avoid getting nailed on these charges to try to

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Speaker 1: make sure that he does end up back in the

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Speaker 1: White House. And the stakes for him personally could not

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Speaker 1: possibly be higher.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well said, let's go to the next part here

795
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: about trials stakes, how they could not be higher. So

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden made a shocking and unannounced visit yesterday to

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00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: Capitol Hill, despite actually not even being invited. So we

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Speaker 2: have to remember he showed up to the opening of

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Speaker 2: the House Oversight Committee. The reason why is that currently

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Speaker 2: the House Overside Committee and Republicans have subpoenat Hunter Biden,

801
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 2: of which he's been refusing to cooperate with. He says,

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Speaker 2: I will not testify behind closed doors and in a

803
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: longer form setting. I will, however, testify in public. So

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00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: yesterday mounted a publicity stunt showed up to the opening

805
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 2: of that oversight hearing. He was not recognized actually to speak,

806
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: but it didn't stop stuff from absolutely going crazy. Nancy Mace,

807
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Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Green blasting him to his face, saying with

808
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: some choice words, let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 11: First of all, my first question is who bribed Hunter

810
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 11: Biden to be here today? That's my first question. Second question,

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Speaker 11: You are the epitome of white privilege, coming into the

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Speaker 11: Oversight Committee, spitting in our face, ignoring a congressional subpoena

813
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 11: to be deposed.

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Speaker 4: What are you afraid of?

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Speaker 3: You have no balls to come up here, mister chairman,

816
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 3: point of inquiry.

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00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: Mister chairman, if the general, if the general lady wants

818
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: to hear from Hunter Biden, we can hear from him

819
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: right now, Miss chairman.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a vote and hear from unter Biden. What

821
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: are you afraid?

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00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 11: Order?

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00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 12: Order?

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00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 11: Speak?

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00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: Are women allowed to speak?

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Speaker 1: To keep interrupting me, I'll interrupt.

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Speaker 3: I know that he's a lady.

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Speaker 5: I think that, uh that Hunter Biden should be arrested

829
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 5: right here, right now and goes straight to jail.

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Speaker 4: Our nation is founded on the rules.

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Speaker 13: Come on, come on the premise that the law applies

832
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 13: equally to everyone, no matter.

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00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 3: What you're last point to order, mister chairman, point of matter.

834
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Speaker 6: Who you are, chairman, big zob here?

835
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Speaker 3: So all right?

836
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 4: So no balls? Wow, that privileged white privilege, just white privilege.

837
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Speaker 2: I can't stand Nancy May. She's like as MacCarthy. McCarthy

838
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: was like, she's a whole other story. I could not

839
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Speaker 2: agree with that. The way she conducts herself, opens her

840
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Speaker 2: mouth everything she's said in the past.

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Speaker 13: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I Also, though, we have to show Marjorie Taylor Green

843
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: shouting out Hunter Biden as he stormed out of the

844
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Speaker 2: committee meeting hearing after he was not called actually to

845
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 2: testify publicly.

846
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: Here, let's see what happened.

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Speaker 9: Gentlemen, Tom's expired Cherwick and as missus Green from Georgia for.

848
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Speaker 4: Thank you, mister chairman.

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Speaker 13: Excuse me Hunter, Apparently you're afraid of my words and

850
00:38:50,360 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 13: why you Ah, I like to reclaim my time, mister chairman.

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00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 7: Wow, that's too bad.

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00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: So he stormed out there of the committee room hearing.

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00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 2: You know, we were saying, I have to give Hunter this.

854
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: This was a Trumpian move, like he showed up and

855
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: he's like, all right, call on me, call on me,

856
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: even though you know he knew it wasn't going to happen.

857
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: And it showed he both is able to defy a

858
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: subpoena and then draw attention to the fact that he

859
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: is literally defying a congressional subpoena. So look, that's the

860
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: overall like quote unquote investigation update and all of that.

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Speaker 2: I do wonder though, how the White House feels, because

862
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of talk that Joe Biden and

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00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: the White House would really prefer that Hunter hiding a

864
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: rock in Malibu and live off of his millions with

865
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Speaker 2: his latest wife and just you know, just not be

866
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: in the headlines. But it seems here that he has

867
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Speaker 2: hired his own counsel and he's determined to fight back,

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Speaker 2: which politically, I mean, I'm not gonna say it.

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Speaker 3: Matters all that much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't imagine that he's not doing this without Dad's.

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00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: Maybe you're right, I can't imagine that.

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00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So just to give people the backs, right, so they

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Speaker 1: subpoenaed him, he said, I'll testify and public, but I'm

875
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Speaker 1: not doing it in private, partly because of what happened

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Speaker 1: with Devin Archer, where he helped testified in private and

877
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: then they like cherry picked and sort of misrepresented some

878
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: of the things that he said. So Hunter's like, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'll answer questions, but I'm going to do it in public.

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00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: So that's the context in which this stunt plays out.

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Speaker 1: So he comes in and it's like, listen, I'm here,

882
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Speaker 1: you got questions for me, I'll answer your questions. I

883
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: do think it was kind of a clever, like Trumpian stunt,

884
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: but then I don't think that necessarily storming out is

885
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: the right way to stay there, and you look like

886
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: you're the adult in the room, as they like accuse

887
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: you of having no balls in right proplas. There was

888
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: also a bunch of like conservative girl boss moments of

889
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: like he just doesn't want to hear a strong conservative

890
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: woman and are women even allowed to speak in this hearing?

891
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.

892
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: So I don't know, the wokeness on the Republican side

893
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: has really gotten out of control lately, which I know

894
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: you're covering in your mind life, which I'm very excited.

895
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: About as well, but does genuinely make me want to

896
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Speaker 3: kill more.

897
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what to say about this

898
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: Hunter thing. Everything's so fake in American politics. Like the

899
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: investigation is fake, the concern is fake, the stunt is fake,

900
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: the like.

901
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: The defense is fake.

902
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: It's all just theater. It's all just theater, and it's

903
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: sort of disgusting to.

904
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Speaker 2: Watch it unfold, certainly, and you know to to that point,

905
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 2: I mean, like Hunter's corruption is just so blatant and obvious.

906
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: Now listen, you can say whether it should be you know,

907
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: voted on or not. But just the latest example of this,

908
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: the braziness of this man. Let's put this up there

909
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: on the screen. I just I love this. So new

910
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: revelations show us if you guys will remember about Hunter

911
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: Biden and his art. So it turns out from what

912
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: we can see here is it quote Hunter Biden actually

913
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: knew most of his art buyers, despite the quote unquote

914
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 2: ethics plan contradicting the White House. If you guys will

915
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: recall when Hunter, out of nowhere just decided to start

916
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 2: selling art and doing it for a very high dollar. Well, Crystal,

917
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: it turns out that the major buyer of Hunter's art

918
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: is the very same person who paid off his irs

919
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: two million dollar tax bill, which is the end as

920
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: a major Democratic donor and is the only reason.

921
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: He was never criminally prosecuted. Like, this is the most

922
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: obvious form of money laundering I have ever seen, Crystal.

923
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: He bought eight hundred and seventy five thousand dollars worth

924
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: of this man's art. Yeah, and he previously had paid

925
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Speaker 2: off his tax bill and is a huge Democratic donor.

926
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Speaker 2: Now list today this is the most important story in

927
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: the world. No, but it's just like, come on, this

928
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: is just it's almost an accounting gimmick at this point

929
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: as to who's being propped up who's not. Recall also

930
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: that the White House said that they had a whole

931
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Speaker 2: ethics plan in place for Hunter's art.

932
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Speaker 3: Since he's not going to know who bought it and

933
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: all this, it's complete bist. It's like, what, he's not

934
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: going to.

935
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Speaker 2: Go to his friend's house and see his art on

936
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Speaker 2: the wall and know that he received almost a million

937
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 2: bucks even though he'd never painted anything in the past. Look,

938
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: I know it's clownish. Whether Biden himself got any of

939
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Speaker 2: the dollars, I don't know. I think he's certainly benefited

940
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: from it in the past. You know, we'll see. But

941
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: the art thing is just like whole Biden is the president,

942
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: You've got the donor who's getting paid off.

943
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: It's just as blatant as when.

944
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: Trump was president and all those foreign dignitaries which just

945
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: go stay at his hotels.

946
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: It's like you.

947
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: Cannot deny that you're getting paid that him and his

948
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Speaker 2: family are not benefiting well.

949
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Speaker 1: And this is this is why Republicans have no leg

950
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: to stand on when they're in you know, Foe concerned

951
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: suddenly about corruption because yeah, we just got this report

952
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: about the many millions of dollars that were spent by

953
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: foreign governments like China and Saudi Arabia at his properties,

954
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: and he got asked about it, by the way, at

955
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: the Fox Newstown. They basically bribed about it. I mean

956
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: did he totally admitted to it. So you know, when

957
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: you're looking at his foreign policy actions, you're like, Okay, well,

958
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: is this on behalf of the country or is this

959
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: because you got millions into your personal bank account through

960
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: via your businesses from China, from Saudi Arabia, et cetera.

961
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean this is why there's no accountability.

962
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: This is why these things are not prosecuted. This is

963
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: why the Supreme Court has made it basically impossible to

964
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: prove corruption because they're all so complicit and they're so

965
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: selective in which types of corruption they're going to care about,

966
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: depending on whether it's a D or whether it's an R.

967
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

968
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it shows you why, you know, It's like you said,

969
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: a lot of it is just theater, and most of

970
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: it is almost entirely fake. But at least we did

971
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: get a hilarious clip of Nancymas out of it, So

972
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Speaker 2: thank you Hunter, at least.

973
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Speaker 12: Thank you for that.

974
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Speaker 4: Yes, all right, Sacher, were we looking at.

975
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Speaker 3: It's become cliche and it's tried.

976
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: But in discussions about free speech or any other principle,

977
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: the maximum is this. Unless you support free speech, or

978
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: you apply your principles for those who you hate most

979
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: in society, those even who you find the most reprehensible,

980
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: then you don't really believe in it at all. For

981
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: a while there many Republican politicians were singing a tune

982
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: that I could get on board with pro free speech,

983
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: anti affirmative action in essence an embrace of equality of

984
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: outcome and equal application of law. That is, a heterogeneous

985
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: society of three hundred and thirty million should be governed

986
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: under this equal application. By and large, this is mostly

987
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: the case in the last seven years since the mainstream

988
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 2: establishment decidedly became liberal with the capital L. But much

989
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 2: of it was then thrown out of seemingly overnight after

990
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: October seven. Sames is what we'll discuss with Glenn Greenwald

991
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 2: later this week that much of the American right now

992
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: has a pro Israel exception, and there is perhaps no

993
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: better example of this than Governor Ron DeSantis's Israel turn.

994
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 3: One of the ways that Ron de Santa's built.

995
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 2: A national name for himself was specifically signing into legislation

996
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: anti critical race theory measures, a key tenant of which

997
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: is attacking the foundation of affirmative action, the notion that

998
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: specific groups in American society deserve special treatment and separate

999
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: admissions categories because they have been so called oppressed throughout history.

1000
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: The day after that ruling actually came out on affirmative

1001
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: action from the Supreme Court, Desantas said that his state

1002
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: would go even further. They would not only abolish affirmative

1003
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: action in Florida, but also eliminate diversity, diversity, equity, and inclusion,

1004
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 2: otherwise known as DEI. As those who watch no, I'm

1005
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: very anti DEI. I think it is on American and

1006
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: has imported the affirmative action rules into the workplace, elevating

1007
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: people based on the color of their skin or their

1008
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 2: sexual orientation instead of whether they're good at their jobs

1009
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: or not. In fact, the day after the ruling, af

1010
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: new Florida law went into place, specifically prohibiting colleges or

1011
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: universities from spending state or federal money quote to promote,

1012
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: support or maintain programs campus activities that advocate for diversity, equity,

1013
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: and inclusion. Again, that is law and policy that I

1014
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: have one hundred percent support, which is why it was

1015
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: so shocking to see someone who has said this, acted

1016
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: on it, and touted it flip on a dime. In

1017
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: the last three months of moral panic about so called

1018
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: anti semitism on college campuses, Republicans have turned themselves into

1019
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: the same snowflakes that they castigated for the last eight years. Now,

1020
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, a student crying on campus or

1021
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: quote not feeling safe because of words is caused for action,

1022
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: so much cost for action that in the state of Florida,

1023
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: DeSantis is now funneling state resources specifically.

1024
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 3: For Jewish students, he announced.

1025
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: Yesterday quote Today, I am directing Florida's colleges and universities

1026
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: to make it easier for Jewish students to transfer to

1027
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: a Florida higher education institution. While leaders of if elite

1028
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: universities enable anti semitism we will protect Jewish students and

1029
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 2: welcome them to Florida. So, in other words, DeSantis invented

1030
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: affirmative action for Jews. It is beyond parody because affirmative

1031
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: action itself has roots that go back to the early

1032
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 2: twentieth century, specifically to keep Jews out of universities. Without

1033
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: explicitly saying so, the new DeSantis policy will allow the

1034
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: state University system of Florida to waive credit hour requirements

1035
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: and application date windows for Jewish students who are quote

1036
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: facing anti semitism on their campuses to transfer into a

1037
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: Florida based university. The policy will also grant in state

1038
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: tuition on a case by case basis, so quite literally

1039
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 2: directing state resources for special treatment of American Jews. Even

1040
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: more clownish is the defense that I have seen from

1041
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: the pro DeSantis crowd. They say soccer k read in

1042
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: the executive order, it says it applies to any religious

1043
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 2: group who is facing discrimination. It doesn't technically say anything

1044
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: about Jews as usual. They should read the words of

1045
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: the governor, who on Twitter and in his official release

1046
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: from his state office, said that the policy is specifically

1047
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 2: intended for Jewish students. Imagine a counterfactual, Governor Gavin Newsom.

1048
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: He said, I'm going to direct state resources for black kids,

1049
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: but that technically the policy will apply to all races.

1050
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 2: Would we say yeah, I mean he said it would

1051
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: direct to all races, right, Or would we believe him

1052
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: when he said he's going to preference blacks over everyone else?

1053
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: The same defense is so patently absurd and pathetic here

1054
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: they would have been better off just staying silent and

1055
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: hope that their blatant hypocrisy is unnoticed.

1056
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: The Dessantis policy already has.

1057
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: Come after he banned the Students for Justice for Palestine

1058
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: organization on Florida campuses in executive order that the free

1059
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: speech organization fire said quote believes higher education can only

1060
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 2: fulfill its important mission when students can speak their minds.

1061
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: We will defend the rights of all Florida students and

1062
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: all Americans.

1063
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 3: To speak freely. That's exactly correct.

1064
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: Being for free speech, being against racial or religious quotas

1065
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: is only a principle when you hold it both against

1066
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: people who you don't like, and you don't make special

1067
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: exceptions for those that may be politically convenient for you

1068
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: in the moment. Otherwise you're a hypocritical hack. That's what

1069
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: Desanta say is now and that's what it seems that

1070
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 2: a lot of the American right is too so Honestly, and.

1071
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: If you want to hear my reaction to Sagres's monologue,

1072
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com. Crystal,

1073
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at a violent incident

1074
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Speaker 1: unfolded recently in the occupied West Bank, which has seen

1075
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Speaker 1: an onslaught of violence and land grabs by extremist settlers

1076
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Speaker 1: enabled by the IDF as well as IDF raids. Two

1077
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Speaker 1: Palestinians rammed into Israeli border police. Those police then fired

1078
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Speaker 1: on the assailants and in the chaos, astray bullet fired

1079
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Speaker 1: by the Israelis killed a three year old Bedouin Palestinian child.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen though to how Sky News described these events.

1081
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Speaker 8: This happened to the border checkpoint.

1082
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Speaker 14: You can see a car going through and ramming some

1083
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Speaker 14: of the police that we're actually manning that checkpoint. The

1084
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 14: video going to free shortly, but the two people as

1085
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Speaker 14: a man and a woman in the car.

1086
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Speaker 8: In the subsequently they were killed by the police.

1087
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Speaker 14: But it looks like accidentally a stray bullet found its

1088
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Speaker 14: way into the van ahead, and that killed a three

1089
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Speaker 14: or four year old young lady.

1090
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Speaker 8: So tragic events in the West Bank.

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Speaker 1: That's right, a three year old was described as a

1092
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Speaker 1: quote young lady. The bullet, of course, just magically found

1093
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Speaker 1: its way into the vehicle. Now contrast this language to

1094
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Speaker 1: a recent report in The Daily Mail decrying the continued

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Speaker 1: captivity of four Israeli women still being held by Hamas.

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Speaker 1: Their headline reads the faces of the girls still being

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Speaker 1: held by Hamas as their families make a desperate plea

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Speaker 1: for their release three months.

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Speaker 4: After they were captured.

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Speaker 1: The article features deeply emotional interviews with the families of

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Speaker 1: these women, who I am sure are absolutely tormented. But

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Speaker 1: these are not, in fact girls. They are adult women,

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Speaker 1: old enough to serve in the IDF, which all four

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Speaker 1: of them do, a fact that was conveniently left out

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Speaker 1: of that entire Daily Mail Peace. So you're left with

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Speaker 1: the specter of a literal toddler being called a young lady,

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Speaker 1: while adult women soldiers are called girls. And while these soldiers,

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Speaker 1: combatants in an ongoing war, are portrayed in the fullness

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Speaker 1: of their humanity, with their hopes, their wishes, the terror

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Speaker 1: of their families all showcased. We will never know anything

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Speaker 1: more than the most basic of details about the three

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Speaker 1: year old. What was her favorite toy? Does she have

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Speaker 1: a big brother who misses her? Will her parents ever

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Speaker 1: be able to get over the loss of their darling girl.

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Speaker 1: Now you might think I'm cherry picking here one off

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Speaker 1: incidents of shoddy and one sided journalism, but a growing

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Speaker 1: mountain of evidence shows that the dehumanization of Palestinians and

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Speaker 1: gregiously lopsided coverage is systematic, and it is widespread. In fact,

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Speaker 1: according to a new analysis, the unprecedented toll that Israel's

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Speaker 1: assault on Gaza has taken on children has been rendered

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Speaker 1: nearly invisible, featured in just two headlines out of eleven

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Speaker 1: hundred that were examined by the Intercept.

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Speaker 4: But that is far from all.

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Speaker 1: Wild imbalances are happening at CNN, where we now know

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Speaker 1: they willingly operate under the IDF censorship regime, but also

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Speaker 1: at prestige papers like The Washington Post, which positions itself

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Speaker 1: as a beacon of journalistic courage and integrity, At right

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Speaker 1: wing outlets like Fox News, and also at liberal ones

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Speaker 1: like MSNBC. Right here in the US, that imbalance is manifest,

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Speaker 1: but also in Britain at the BBC. Even for someone

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Speaker 1: as Jaden's skeptical of mainstream coverage, as I certainly am,

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Speaker 1: the insanely imbalanced nature of these numbers is still shocking.

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Speaker 4: So let's start with the new report.

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Speaker 1: This was published in The Intercept, compiled by Adam Johnson

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Speaker 1: and Athmanali. They took a look at coverage in three

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Speaker 1: ostensibly liberal outlets, The Times, The Washington Post, and The

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Speaker 1: La Times over a six week period from October seventh

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Speaker 1: through November twenty fourth, and they compiled a number of

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Speaker 1: metrics seeking to show the consistent way that Israeli lives

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Speaker 1: are valued to a dramatically greater degree than Palestinian lives.

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Speaker 4: Just take a look at this chart.

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Speaker 1: So they calculated that the words slaughter was used to

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Speaker 1: describe the killing of Israelis on October seventh sixty times,

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Speaker 1: Yet when it came to Palestinians, many thousands more of

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Speaker 1: them have been killed, only a single time was their

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Speaker 1: mass killing described as it should be, as a slaughter.

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Speaker 1: It's a similar story with the word horrific. Hamasa's actions

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Speaker 1: were described as horrific thirty eight times. That's appropriate Israeli

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Speaker 1: assaults on innocent civilians were only described as horrific four

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Speaker 1: times in six weeks. October seventh was labeled a massacre

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Speaker 1: a full one hundred and twenty times during the relevant period,

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Speaker 1: but as Palestinians were being killed by the tens of thousands,

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Speaker 1: these deaths were only described as a massacre four times. Now,

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Speaker 1: keep in mind, according to EUROMED Monitor twenty eight thousand,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and one Palestinian civilians have been killed by

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Speaker 1: Israel since October seventh, and estimated six hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: five civilians were killed and the Hamas attack on October seventh.

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Speaker 1: In other words, forty times more Palestinians have been killed

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Speaker 1: than Israelis. But if you were to judge the relative

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Speaker 1: loss of life by the number of mentions in media outlets,

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Speaker 1: you would have to presume far more dead Israelis than

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Speaker 1: Palestinians by long stretch. According to Adam and Ali's analysis,

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Speaker 1: for every two Palestinian deaths, Palestinians are mentioned once. For

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Speaker 1: every Israeli death, Israelis are mentioned eight times, or a

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Speaker 1: rate sixteen times more per death than that of Palestinians.

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Speaker 1: And you can see this from this chart. As more

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Speaker 1: Palestinians were killed, they were actually mentioned less and less.

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Speaker 1: We witness this in real time. How invented university anti

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Speaker 1: semitism scandals and whatever the hell is going on with

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Speaker 1: Bill Ackman, how that took the place of coverage of

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Speaker 1: the increasingly undeniable horrors that Palestinians are being subjected to.

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Speaker 1: This chart tracks how has the horror increased the coverage

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Speaker 1: actually decreased. Also revealed in this report, real and invented

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Speaker 1: anti semitism was covered far more vigorously than Islamophobia. This

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Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that multiple violent incidents during

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Speaker 1: this time appeared spurred by anti Muslim or anti Arab hat.

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Speaker 1: Eighty seven percent of mentions of discrimination concerned anti Semitism,

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Speaker 1: only thirteen percent concerned Islamophobia. The cable news landscape is

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Speaker 1: unso prizingly at least equally as grimm This chart from

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Speaker 1: Adam Substack. The column tracks how many times Israelis were

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Speaker 1: described as having been massacred versus Palestinians over the first

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Speaker 1: month of the conflict. Out of seventeen hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: three massacre mentions, one thy six hundred and fifty five

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Speaker 1: came of them. When describing Israelis killed on October seventh,

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Speaker 1: This evocative language was only applied to Palestinian deaths seventy

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Speaker 1: eight times. They further document in this piece that usually

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Speaker 1: when massacre was actually used with regard to Palestinians, it

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Speaker 1: didn't come directly from network anchors or commentators, but as

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Speaker 1: comments attributed to Palestinians. So, for example, Richard Angel of

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Speaker 1: NBC News he said that quote Palestinians call it a

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Speaker 1: massacre passive language that is debatable rather than unequivocal. Ali

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Speaker 1: and Adam also reveal in this report that although children

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Speaker 1: in journalists, sympathetic and protected groups have been slaughtered at

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Speaker 1: rates far higher than any other modern conflict, they have

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Speaker 1: received scant media coverage. This contrasts dramatically with the cover

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Speaker 1: of the Ukraine War, where the impact on children and

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Speaker 1: on the press was a frequent subject of commentary and

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Speaker 1: of reporting. Now, to be clear, six journalists were killed

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Speaker 1: in the early days of the Ukraine War, and that

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Speaker 1: is a terrible tool. Forty eight were killed in the

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Speaker 1: first weeks of Israel's assault on Gaza. That number has

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Speaker 1: now skyrocketed to over one hundred and ten. These people

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Speaker 1: have the nerve to posture as defenders of the free press.

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Speaker 1: What utter and complete garbage. Finally, to show you, I

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Speaker 1: guess we're not alone in insufferable and completely dishonest coverage.

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Speaker 1: British commentator Owen Jones recently featured analysis on BBC coverage

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Speaker 1: conducted by Mona Chalabi with a lot of very similar results.

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Speaker 1: Just take a listen to a portion of Owen's report.

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Speaker 12: As for a motive, words murder or murdered is used

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Speaker 12: one hundred and one times in reference to his reignees

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Speaker 12: compared to one time in reference to Palestinians. So he

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Speaker 12: might go, well, look, come on, an airstrike killing lots

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Speaker 12: of people is extremely horrific, but it's different to someone

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Speaker 12: just going up to someone and shooting them. Well, look,

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Speaker 12: if you take that place, we'll have to beg to differ.

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Speaker 12: There's ample evidence that Israel is deliberately killing civilians. I

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Speaker 12: make no apology for saying that the so called diahead doctrine,

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Speaker 12: first developed in the two thousand and six Lebanon War,

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Speaker 12: to deliberately kill civilians to put pressure on civilian populations

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Speaker 12: to achieve political goals, is clearly in action in Gaza

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Speaker 12: and indeed, nine to seventy two magazine using leaked information

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Speaker 12: from Israeli military intelligence sources, makes it abundantly clear that

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Speaker 12: Palastine civilians are clearly being deliberately killed. In any case,

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Speaker 12: what are the fact that several Palatins have been objectively

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Speaker 12: murdered in the West Bank alone in this time period,

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Speaker 12: and where it's extremely comparable actually to the way that

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Speaker 12: many Israeli civilians were killed on the seventh of October.

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Speaker 12: The West Bank, as you will know, is of course

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Speaker 12: not run by Hamas. Now as for other emotive words, well,

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Speaker 12: massacre or massacred is used twenty three times in reference

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Speaker 12: to Israelis, it's used just once in relation to Gaza.

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Speaker 12: That for me actually just sums up the whole problem

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Speaker 12: western media coverage, because if it actually reflected reality, we

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Speaker 12: would be referring to what's happening to Gas as one

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Speaker 12: of the great masakers of our time. But in any case,

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Speaker 12: clearly the BBC does not believe that, for example, wiping

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Speaker 12: out entire blood lines of Palestinians constitutes of massacre. As

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Speaker 12: for slaughter or slaughtered, those words that's used twenty times,

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Speaker 12: twenty times in reference was Raeli's in reference to Palestinians zerotypes,

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Speaker 12: not once.

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Speaker 1: So here is a visualization of what Owen was just

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Speaker 1: discussing there that you can take a look at. And

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Speaker 1: the bottom line is this, So Raelis are murdered, Palestinians

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Speaker 1: simply inexplicably die, something that I've grappled with over these

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Speaker 1: past several months that has really shaken me. How How

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Speaker 1: is the unrelenting assault allowed to persist? How is there

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Speaker 1: not uniform condemnation of the killing of civilians, of their starvation,

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Speaker 1: of their permanent destruction of their homes, schools, mosques, neighborhoods,

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Speaker 1: and so much more, the massacre of children, journalists, aid workers, doctors.

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Speaker 1: As fellow at the Institute for Global Affairs, Assaul Rale

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Speaker 1: put it stupid for thinking that we believed as a

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Speaker 1: society that killing thousands of children, bearing them under rubble

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Speaker 1: and amputating their limbs without anesthesia is wrong. No matter

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Speaker 1: what I naively thought, that was one thing we could

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Speaker 1: all agree on. And when the history is written, how

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Speaker 1: the West looked on with approval and rushed to supply

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Speaker 1: the bombs that were dropped on the babies of Palestine.

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Speaker 1: When that history is written, these charts will need to

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Speaker 1: be shown. They must be shown because a vital part

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Speaker 1: of that story is how the Western press their absolute

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Speaker 1: damnedest to hide from citizens the horse that their own

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Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars are paying for. For the real story, you

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Speaker 1: will do a hell of a lot better joining the

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