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Speaker 1: Nick Wright session. So I was thinking about you the

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Speaker 1: other day that this is an interesting topic. You know,

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Speaker 1: how we both I really like I'm very much a

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Speaker 1: I just don't care about the old days. I just

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Speaker 1: don't care. But I was thinking about I love the

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Speaker 1: NBA and this doesn't bother me, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's great for their long term viability or growth. Zion

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Speaker 1: and Jaw, We're going to be domestic stars, both due

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Speaker 1: to immaturity, have fizzled now. Jaws hurt, Zion's hurt. And

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Speaker 1: I do think you've done a little European travel, and

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Speaker 1: my mom was European, and I've done a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I do think their academy create more mature players at

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Speaker 1: And I think it's very difficult. If I was seventeen

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Speaker 1: and I look at our domestic players and I'm not

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Speaker 1: questioning their commitment or their excellence. But Steve Kuris said

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Speaker 1: this repeatedly. AU basketball is not great for the ascension

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Speaker 1: of young people. It's not collaborative. It's just about you

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Speaker 1: and people gravy training you. And I look at the

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Speaker 1: NBA right now. It doesn't bother me because I love

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Speaker 1: bigs that can shoot handle. I love watching Yokic play.

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Speaker 1: I know it's ugly, but I love it. But your

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Speaker 1: growing bigger globally, where is NBA. Are you concerned at

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Speaker 2: I don't so. To me, these are almost separate. So

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Speaker 2: right now, first team All NBA would be five international guys.

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Speaker 2: Right it'd be Luca and Shay as the guards and

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Speaker 2: and right now, that would be your first team All NBA.

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Speaker 2: That would be your top five, probably MVP Ballot Tyrese

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Speaker 2: of what's happened with John, I don't know who somebody's

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Speaker 2: This wasn't my initial idea. These I read a tweet

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Speaker 2: the answer as to why I think AAU two often

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Speaker 1: Legends, and Dirk was considered kind of a soft offensive

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Speaker 2: And I don't I also there is I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: because the other thing is this the international guys again

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's just acknowledge that eighteen months from now

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Speaker 1: Wemby will be in that discussion. So absolutely, so it's

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Speaker 2: For the role trying to burn you down, yes, on

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Speaker 1: So we've had three or four people that we have

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Speaker 1: I said, be careful about that. So people show you

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Speaker 1: who they are very early and very early. In Jason

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Speaker 1: Tatum's career, I like him a lot. I don't love him.

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Speaker 2: it's not like an indictment to say Tatum's not that,

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Speaker 2: because it's only been like sixteen guys in forty years

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Speaker 2: Every other team literally had a legend. And I don't

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Speaker 2: to be a legend.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: other guys. The ceiling was how many MVPs? Okay, and

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Speaker 2: that's the difference.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So I threw this out last week. It's my

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Speaker 1: and a likability where the average fan who's busting is

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Speaker 1: asked for a living is going to love him. He's

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Speaker 1: really a guy a fan would like to have a

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Speaker 1: beer with. Dan's opening press conference was embarrassing, like just

430
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Speaker 1: like Novice, like eat your knee caps. Yeah, is bad,

431
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Speaker 1: and he was four nineteen and one to start, and

432
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Speaker 1: then you know, things start working out. He gets I've

433
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Speaker 1: said this before. The star of that franchise is not Goffer,

434
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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell or Ben Johnson. It's the front office. They've

435
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Speaker 1: had like back to back to back incredible drafts, like

436
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Speaker 1: great drafts, and so then he gets a bunch of

437
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Speaker 1: good players and they start winning a wonky division where

438
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers leaves, the Bears are a tire fire and

439
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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is you know, sort of okay, and they

440
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Speaker 1: win and they deserve credit for it. But now you're

441
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Speaker 1: watching Dan Campbell and you're going, he's a little over

442
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Speaker 1: a skis, he's a bit of a meathead. Sarahani had

443
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Speaker 1: the worst press conference I've ever seen, could not speak

444
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Speaker 1: acknowledged that very turbulent like Dan Campbell, Early Steiken comes in,

445
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Speaker 1: elevates the offense, he leaves, they stink. And in both

446
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Speaker 1: instances I ripped both. I said, you know, Dan came

447
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Speaker 1: off as sort of a very limited meet him and

448
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Speaker 1: we've seen examples that he's sort of he's the.

449
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Speaker 2: Overly emotional, emotional Listen, he's emotional, he's a fan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's Siahanni looks completely over his head. Is

451
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Speaker 1: that first impressions do matter? You ever watch Sean mcvay's

452
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Speaker 1: first press conference, Obama wasn't that slick. I mean, it

453
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Speaker 1: was like it was on a prompter. I was like

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Speaker 1: chest face forward looking at the camera. I mean I

455
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Speaker 1: literally thought, my god, I run through a who is

456
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Speaker 1: this like nineteen?

457
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Speaker 2: It was like thirty two. Yeah, I was just.

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Speaker 1: Like, holy hell, first impressions matter. Mcvey's first press conference

459
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Speaker 1: knocks your sock off. And then I think that if

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Speaker 1: you go back to Sirianni and Dan Campbell, there are

461
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Speaker 1: qualities about both that are endearing. But man, if you

462
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Speaker 1: can't get the opening presser right, it said said.

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Speaker 2: This, it's a real thing.

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Speaker 1: It's a nobody wants to say this, but it does matter.

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Speaker 1: We elect people based on are they telegenic? Are they

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Speaker 1: good at the podium? If you can't get through four

467
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Speaker 1: and a half to eight minutes on a podium, by

468
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Speaker 1: the way, you've flown in, you've thought about it, you

469
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Speaker 1: know there's gonna be tough. Point you're preparing for it.

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Speaker 2: Well. So that's so that last part I think is

471
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Speaker 2: the most interesting because I wonder if some of these

472
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Speaker 2: guys would be better if they weren't, if they didn't

473
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Speaker 2: know it was that day, if it was off the cuff,

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Speaker 2: like Siriani's thing to me, Campbell was a different story.

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Speaker 2: Campbell was, this guy's a form of player. I think

476
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Speaker 2: players are gonna I looked at that press conference and said,

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Speaker 2: I totally get why motivationally he's gonna be excellent, why

478
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Speaker 2: players might relate to him. And that very moment I said,

479
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Speaker 2: and I listen, I get it. I'm a nerd. I

480
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: didn't play, I understand, but in that moment I was like,

481
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Speaker 2: my guess is he's not gonna be great at the

482
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Speaker 2: situational football stuff. Now he actually has been shockingly good

483
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Speaker 2: at He does follow the quote analytics, but it's just

484
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Speaker 2: really what he's doing is he just wants to go

485
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Speaker 2: for it every time, and the analytics support going for it.

486
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Speaker 2: But like so like, I think it's almost by accident

487
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Speaker 2: that he's following me because it's like super aggressive, go

488
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Speaker 2: go go. But you saw the cartoonish end result of

489
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Speaker 2: that when he went for that two point converted yard line,

490
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Speaker 2: which is one of the worst decisions exactly. He was

491
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Speaker 2: an angry fan that was like, this is bullshit. I

492
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Speaker 2: got screwed. I'm gonna show you. So that's different. Sirianni's

493
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: thing was he seemed nervous, like I bet Siriani if

494
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Speaker 2: he had not been told there was a press conference coming.

495
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Speaker 2: I think he was hurt by the fact he had

496
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Speaker 2: thought about it all night. But that's a different type

497
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Speaker 2: of concern. That means when things get tight, are you

498
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: gonna get tight? When that means, you know what I mean,

499
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Speaker 2: when the pressure up, are you going to respond or not?

500
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Speaker 2: So that was a different level of concern. So the

501
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: reason I brought the whole Sirianni thing up was I

502
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: have a different kind of galaxy brain question for you,

503
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: which is this, if they lose to Tampa and they

504
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Speaker 2: fire him, isn't that the perfect spot for Belichick? You

505
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: have all that talent on defense, the offensive skill position

506
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: guys are there and they're already there.

507
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Speaker 1: And your weakness is drafting. Howie Roseman's an expert at.

508
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: It exactly right, and it's like, hey, you've got, however

509
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: limited Jalen Hurts might be, even if last year was

510
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: an aberration, the best quarterback he will have had in

511
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Speaker 2: a half decade. He will look at Jalen Hurts like

512
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Speaker 2: he is Patrick Mahomes two point zero. When he's been

513
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Speaker 2: able with Mac Jones and Bailey Zappi and the last

514
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Speaker 2: you know legs of Cam Newton. The offense is in place,

515
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Speaker 2: the defense has all this blue chip town up front,

516
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Speaker 2: and Belichick's been getting the most out of secondary players

517
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Speaker 2: and linebackers for twenty years. This Patriots deepens doesn't have

518
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Speaker 2: stars on it, and they're awesome, Like the stars are

519
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: hurt Judean and Gonzales. And that is why if I

520
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: were filling and I lose to Tampa, I wouldn't fire Sirianni.

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Speaker 2: To fire Sirianni, but I'm sure a shit would consider

522
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Speaker 2: it if I got on good you know, good intel.

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick, he wants to stay in the Northeast. Yeah,

524
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Speaker 2: he wants to go with the blue chip. People are like, ah,

525
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: maybe Atlanta. Like Bill Belichick doesn't want to coach the Falcons,

526
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Speaker 2: be in the set like he was staying a cold

527
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Speaker 2: weather Northeastern city with a blue chip franchise. Chance to

528
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Speaker 2: frictionals record, chance to get to the super Bowl. That

529
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Speaker 2: to me is a hand and glove fit that I

530
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Speaker 2: would strongly consider if I were all parties.

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Speaker 1: I had a very good gambling year, so I was

532
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Speaker 1: O nine and one to start from that point four

533
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Speaker 1: fourteen of sixteen weeks, I was five hundred or better.

534
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: I was sixteen four percent, sixteen three. That's a really

535
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Speaker 1: good year. So that's unbelievable. Ye, that's unbelievable. I had

536
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Speaker 1: a great, great, blazing fire. I had a guy come

537
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: up to me yesterday in the grocery store. He's like, man,

538
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: you were cooking this year. Let me buy you blankety blank.

539
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm good, this is my job. Don't

540
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: worry about it. And he was like, he goes calling,

541
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Speaker 1: I've been following you for a lot of years. He goes, Man,

542
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Speaker 1: he goes, you had a year about ten years ago

543
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Speaker 1: like this, which I remember, And I said.

544
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Speaker 2: Well, the year ten years ago or whenever it was

545
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Speaker 2: right before you came to Fox Sports, that was a

546
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Speaker 2: year you might have been on the record the best

547
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Speaker 2: handicapper in the country. That was a year with the

548
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Speaker 2: blazing five. Would change lines a bit, that was that

549
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: was a historic run. And then I didn't know. You

550
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Speaker 2: know what's funny, and this is now going to sound

551
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: like a bitter man. Uh, this is you know, the

552
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: modern media. There was a lot of public you know,

553
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: publicity about your first two weeks, not nearly a long

554
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: the following sixteen a lot the coward hasn't made a

555
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: bat in two weeks, just getting roasted well by the meanwhile,

556
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: just went two and three every fucking week I did.

557
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: I had my worst year in forever, just and it

558
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: was just the same thing, two and three, three and

559
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Speaker 2: two everyone.

560
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Speaker 1: Well, by the way, horrible had a losing record in COVID.

561
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Speaker 1: I had a shit COVID year. My takeaway was folks

562
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: Sunday morning, they'd be like, oh yeah, these eight starters

563
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: don't play. It's like that doesn't count.

564
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: You got it.

565
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Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny when the media and I

566
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: don't care because I literally am not on my phone,

567
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: like just not. I once Elon must took it over.

568
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: I gave him about two months. It's a mess. I'm

569
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Speaker 1: just not on it. I use it for promotion for

570
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: my podcast with a volume. I'm not on it. But

571
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Speaker 1: it is interesting that the blogg A sphere, which claims

572
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Speaker 1: shows like our clickbait went over the moon on my

573
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Speaker 1: own nine and one start nothing in sixteen weeks or

574
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Speaker 1: not hot nothing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but go ahead, sorry, I well, of course, but

576
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Speaker 2: I mean you want to hear, you want to hear

577
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: my theory. This year.

578
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what I did every weekend and it didn't

579
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Speaker 1: Noah's work. Like this weekend, I said, Justin Fields is

580
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: not as good as Jordan Love, but Justin Field's with

581
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: that atrocious Green Bay defense will look better than Love

582
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Speaker 1: against the good defense.

583
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Speaker 2: It didn't happen. That's what I thought too, Yep.

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Speaker 1: But what I really started to do by week three,

585
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Speaker 1: I said, you're overthinking the room. When you can get

586
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in value, just bet him. And I

587
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: started just betting four to my five picks. I bet

588
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: a lot of Kyler Murray. It's like I bet some

589
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor. I'm like Tyrod Taylor against Philadelphia's defense.

590
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: He's gonna move the ball.

591
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: He's everaged three hundred and sixty yards against better defenses.

592
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Speaker 1: And I already started coming down to almost like I

593
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: picked divisions who will be the better quarterbacks in these games.

594
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Speaker 1: And it's amazing how simple, Like for instance, Texans Colts

595
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: this weekend, whise guys love the Colts, and I'm like, folks,

596
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Speaker 1: it's a.

597
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Speaker 2: Win, you're in game. C J.

598
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Speaker 1: Stroud's better. I would take c J.

599
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Speaker 2: Stroud.

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Speaker 1: I talked myself out of it because jam are like

601
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Speaker 1: no but in the end, I watched it. I went

602
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: first play the game, last drive. It was won by C. J.

603
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Speaker 2: Stroud. Yeah, all right, last last thing. I don't know

604
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Speaker 2: what the and I might have said this to you

605
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: on TV today, I don't remember I so I apologize

606
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: if I'm in reruns I said it to someone today.

607
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: I don't know who's going what the division, No, I

608
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: didn't say this to you. What the division around matchups

609
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: are going to be. I know what the best ones

610
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Speaker 2: would be. The ideal outcomes are the Rams beating the Lions,

611
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: because then you get the Rams playing the Niners, and

612
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: that's a real scare for the Niners. That is a

613
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Speaker 2: real legitimate scare. And I love CJ. Stroud. I love

614
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Speaker 2: that story. If we assume the Bills and Chiefs are

615
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Speaker 2: gonna win, which I think they both will, and that

616
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: is a great right round two Chiefs having to go

617
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: to Buffalo for the first time. Everyone I am as

618
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: America's most noteworthy you know, Buffalo antagonist. I'm rooting for

619
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Speaker 2: the Bills. I want to see Chiefs Bills in Buffalo.

620
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: Let's get mahomes Allen. So let's assume that's it. As

621
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Speaker 2: much as I like C. J. Stroud. I'm rooting for

622
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Speaker 2: the Browns because Brown's Ravens is another one that is

623
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: a shitty first game for Baltimore. It's like, wait a minute,

624
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: we got to play the only quarterback in the conference

625
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Speaker 2: with a deep playoff experience otherin Mahomes in a first

626
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Speaker 2: game in a divisional matchup with that defense, and they're

627
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Speaker 2: hot coming off a win. And then I don't really

628
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Speaker 2: care who wins Eagles, Bucks, because I think either team's

629
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: drawing dead. But it's probably better if the Eagles win.

630
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Speaker 2: You get Cowboys Eagles, but Niners, Rams, Chiefs, Bills. Brown's

631
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Speaker 2: Ravens would be an unbelievable Divisional round weekend as far

632
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Speaker 2: as where you could make a credible case for any

633
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Speaker 2: of those six teams in those matchups, and you could

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Speaker 2: make a credible case for any of those teams making

635
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. Like I think the Rams can make

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Speaker 2: the super Bowl. I'm not picking them to make the

637
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Speaker 2: super Bowl, but I think that it is. They've won

638
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Speaker 2: seven of eight and the one losses to Baltimore and Overton.

639
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Speaker 2: I mean that's with Sean McVay and Matt Stafford, Like

640
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: that's a real thing. And Baltimore's defense, I mean, sorry,

641
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: Cleveland's defense, Baltimore. I don't know. I'm super excited. So

642
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: that's what I'm hoping happens. I don't know if it's

643
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: what will happen, that's what I'm hoping.

644
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Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I mentioned you at the end of

645
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: the show today. I said, Nick Wright, two weeks in

646
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: a row has said you're gonna bet the Rams over

647
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: the lines, and I'm like, no, contreremont for that's not

648
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And today I got my notepad out coach

649
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: quarterback defense Laporta is out and I'm like, oh, Shitta.

650
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 2: You're gonna take the Rams, certainly plus the points. I mean,

651
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: certainly with the.

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00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: Points out Dan Campbell McVeigh, that's a two and a

653
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: half to three point advantage.

654
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, sapor golf.

655
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: Two and a half to three points. You have to

656
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: take the points of the Rams. You have to take

657
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: the points.

658
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: You have to take the points with the Rams. I

659
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: think that have to do is points with the rams.

660
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 2: I think that when the Chiefs were did you see

661
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: what the Chiefs line opened at two and a half

662
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: available one and a half and it was available for

663
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: ninety seconds. You know what I mean? Now four is

664
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: a different story because you know what I mean, Well,

665
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: I think the Dolphins might fold in the cold. The

666
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: Chiefs haven't blown anybody out in forever, you know what

667
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Like I that's that's not an obvious one.

668
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: I think the next best bet is Tampa getting points

669
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 2: at home. The Eagles teem that's fall.

670
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I think the Kansas City Listen,

671
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna play poker when you're retired. I'm gonna do

672
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: a podcast a week with a volume and bet football

673
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: and and so when you bet football professionally, I wouldn't

674
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: be on the air. I would wait for the lines

675
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: to come out and pounce on him. I would live

676
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: in a state rocking gamble and I would just pounce.

677
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: So you know, like there are the best lines of

678
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: the week, or OW was Sunday night, Monday, those are

679
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: the best lines. OHA's and the sharps jump on him.

680
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: And I've always said, if I hit sixty three percent

681
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: from weeks you know, three to the end of the year,

682
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: I'd hit sixty four to sixty five percent. If I

683
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: could bet them. If I did blazing five on Monday,

684
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: I would get it wouldn't be dramatically different. But you

685
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: would get like six to seven games a year where

686
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: you just get a team you like. Because I lost

687
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: several games, I pushed on like four games that the

688
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: line just was and I would say, I say on

689
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: the air Friday, this is not the best of the line.

690
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: But I still like them. But I will say is

691
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: that these games are tough bets. I don't love any

692
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: of them. I tend to think Philadelphia. I mean, I

693
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: watched Baker last week. They were they were bad.

694
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's true, and he's hurt.

695
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go look at this run, they

696
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: got two wins over Carolina like that division.

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00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's true. That's true. So my set. So

698
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: then if you take that out the the next one

699
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: that I think is.

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Speaker 1: I think Kansas City hosting a warm weather team that

701
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: is depleted is a I would go up to four

702
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: and a half, I think.

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00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Kansas City healthy, which they are, Kansas

704
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: City rested like It's It's one thing for this Chiefs

705
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: team to not be the team that it was projected

706
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: to be before the season, which is the super Bowl favorite.

707
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 2: It's another thing for them to fully healthy lose a

708
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: home wild card game, you know what I mean. Like

709
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: the the reason the line concerns me is even if

710
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: I'm even if I'm right, that Kancity controls the game.

711
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: Once you lay four, you're susceptible to being up ten.

712
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: And that shitty back door cover at the end, you

713
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: know what I mean, at the end, that just guts you.

714
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys are gonna score thirty five points

715
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: on green Bet.

716
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: I do too. I just the question is, can Green

717
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: Bay score thirty That game feels like thirty three, thirty

718
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: four to twenty six. That's what it feels like.

719
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: Right right that the line is exactly right. That's the

720
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Speaker 2: thing of listening the NFL in general, lines are never wrong.

721
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: NFL playoffs, well, it's ever like, oh my god, look

722
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: at this bet. Like no, I mean that never is there.

723
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: The only one is I think the Rams are better

724
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Speaker 2: than Detroit. I just flatly believe the Rams are better than.

725
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Speaker 1: Well, they certainly have components without Laporta. That's Laporta is

726
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: the rare tight end. I mean, Travis Kelcey has sixteen

727
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Speaker 1: touchdowns on fourteen playoff games. It matters. He's better in

728
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Speaker 1: the playoffs.

729
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: He also, Colin is the NFL's all time leader in

730
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Speaker 2: playoff yards per game, not amongst tight ends, amongst everyone,

731
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Speaker 2: amongst receivers with at least ten games, he's the all

732
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Speaker 2: time leader in playoff yards per game. So yeah, I

733
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: mean and Kelsey. Listen, Kelsey hasn't been right all year.

734
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Speaker 2: But I also think if you look at his snap count,

735
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 2: if you look at things the Chiefs have been despite

736
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: the fact that they've needed these games, they've blown some games.

737
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: They have been, to my eye, a team that has

738
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: been holding certain thing. They have not broken the glass.

739
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: They clearly have not yet felt we are in full emergency.

740
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: Because Kelsey hadn't played ninety percent of the snaps in

741
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: any games. You've only seen Mahomes run a lot, and

742
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: you saw it for the first time in the Bengals game,

743
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 2: which was to lock up the division and be able

744
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: to rest in Week eighteen. I still think Kansas City

745
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: has a gear just like you saw Buffalo here this

746
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: last few months. All of a sudden, Josh Allen is

747
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: running all the time, and you know why, because they

748
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: have to win, and it's like that is always their

749
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: most dangerous play. They don't do it because it's dangerous

750
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: for them. They can get the guy hurt, no matter

751
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: how big he is, I think can. I'm always leery

752
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: of teams that I think might have an extra gear.

753
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: I think Kansas City might have an extra gear, and

754
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: I do. The Kansas City stat that jumps out to

755
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: me or two of them, one is they are this

756
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: year they have one loss when they either tie if

757
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: they don't lose the turnover back. And that one loss

758
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: was the first game of the year, and their turnover,

759
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: by the way, was a pick six the other way

760
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 2: off a bobble pass. Everybody talks about all these issues

761
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: they have. The sneaky problem for Kansas City is top

762
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: five most turnovers, bottom five fewest force turnovers. They have

763
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: the third worst plus minus in football. Every other team

764
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: in that bottom ten is some shit team that is

765
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: drafting early. You can't overcome that. Typically the Chiefs have.

766
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: So maybe that kills them, you know what I mean.

767
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: Maybe in the playoffs they keep turning the ball over,

768
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 2: that kills them. But if they don't, they don't lose.

769
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: And do I trust them a little bit more come

770
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: the playoffs? I do? And so I think kan City's

771
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: super dangerous, and I think the Rams are super dangerous

772
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: and if the Rams. Man, if the Rams beat San Francisco,

773
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: that then means Dallas doesn't have to leave home the

774
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: whole playoffs, and so like they are sneaky. I thought

775
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 2: one of the most important moments of the weekend was

776
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: San Francisco or the Rams beating San Francisco, because that

777
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: made the Rams the sixty instead of the seven. Because

778
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: I think the Rams could have gone to Dallas and

779
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: caused some real problems for the same reason they can

780
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: go to Detroit and cause problems. So yeah, I don't know,

781
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: means a.

782
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: Very sneaky MVP. Is Matt Stafford not gonna win it.

783
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: He has been on fire for about nine weeks, and

784
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean arm Angeles, I mean he has been. It's amazing.

785
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: One of the reasons the NFL is so great. A

786
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: baseball draft or an NBA draft, you have to be patient.

787
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: Pukunakua has changed the receiving corps. They got a left

788
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: tackle who's great, two defensive linemen who have been excellent

789
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: as rookies. It's like they got like four players who

790
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: are impactful in the draft, and Stafford's healthy, and it's like, yeah,

791
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: they their rosters suddenly really interesting.

792
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 2: The Rams draft this year is the Chiefs draft. Last year,

793
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, you got four guys that are helping

794
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: you right now. Yes, you know what I mean, Like

795
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: four guys that are right now making a difference. Not like, oh,

796
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: they're going to be good. It's like, no, they are

797
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 2: good right now. When that happens, it changes the math

798
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: on your team. It significantly changes the math on your team.

799
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: It took too long here.

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00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: Now, no, no, no, an hour twy I was good. Listen,

801
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: you sit in the snow. I got sixty two degrees. Yeah, exactly,

802
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: A shrimp s well, a shrimp salad. Oh my goodness,

803
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: tell your wonderful wife. I say hello, uh, and I will.

804
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: I hope to see you in Los Angeles again soon.

805
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: The if I gotta find a way, because I still

806
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: believe the Chiefs are going to go to the super Bowl,

807
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: I gotta find a way to go to the super

808
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: Bowl when the Chiefs are there going for back to back,

809
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: And if that happens, maybe I can do my show

810
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: from Los Angeles and I'll get to see you. But

811
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: it's always great to talk to you. I'll talk to you,

812
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: so I write that pencil, not Pennis.

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00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'll talk to you later. The volume