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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up party

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Speaker 1: people with me? Jason McIntyre Straight Fire for Friday, July

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Speaker 1: twenty three. It was a good night in the McIntyre household.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys listen. I always mentioned Instagram. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to bolster my following. Uh, it was a

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Speaker 1: good night for the McIntyres. My son hit a big

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Speaker 1: three pointer in the fourth quarter and our team in

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Speaker 1: UH Summer League Basketball prevailed in overtime. Just a thrilling game.

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Speaker 1: We played some some of his buddies, um, and it

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Speaker 1: was just a good game. And like it's nice. I

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Speaker 1: had to miss the second half because I had my

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Speaker 1: first round tennis match up. Your boy won the first

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Speaker 1: set six four, and um, I got it out the

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Speaker 1: to the interview with R. J. Young, who's great. Um,

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Speaker 1: he just started Fox Sports about a year ago. He

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Speaker 1: to Texas, Oklahoma and minute, Okay, let me just prattle

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Speaker 1: on about tennis for a minute, can I please, um

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Speaker 1: what's up, my man? I appreciate you. Jim Matthew Dooka, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So the big news obviously, I'm sure you guys heard Texas,

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Speaker 1: right now? The challenge for Starkin in his program is

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Speaker 1: to develop these high value blue chip recruits that they

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Speaker 1: get every year into first round draft picks. Like I

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Speaker 1: continue to say this. Texas hasn't had a first round drafts.

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Speaker 1: That can't happen right right now. And you know what,

428
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Speaker 1: most people can't even tell you who that person is

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Speaker 1: because he's Malcolm Brown and he's drafted thirty second overall, Right,

430
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Speaker 1: you don't running back defense attack safe attack? Oh wow, yeah, jeez, yeah,

431
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Speaker 1: that's a bad one. Well and then you right, and

432
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Speaker 1: you're you're heading in the year seven, right, So unless

433
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Speaker 1: one of the Djean Robinson is not eligible for another

434
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Speaker 1: year and he's your best player, So it's not likely

435
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Speaker 1: to happen this year unless one of those kids on defense,

436
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Speaker 1: Pops or Joshua Moore turns out to be that great.

437
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Speaker 1: But it's about a quarterback to play. So what is Texas?

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Speaker 1: Texas is a developmental project and it's been a developmental

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Speaker 1: project for eleven years. Okay, oh gosh, well you listen.

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Speaker 1: You have to admit, as an Oklahoma fan, you do

441
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Speaker 1: love saying this about Texas to some degree. But I

442
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Speaker 1: kind of I make this argument here at bixton media

443
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Speaker 1: days with Michigan fans in Ohilo, Stay fans, oh As, stay,

444
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: you need Michigan to be good like them. Not winning

445
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 1: this game in the better part of ten years has

446
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Speaker 1: hurt you. Now, I understand everybody wants to win every game.

447
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Speaker 1: What Michigan is an example of how strong your conference is.

448
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Speaker 1: So when eighteen when we're talking about who gets in Oklahoma,

449
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Speaker 1: Ohio State, and Ohio State gets run over by a

450
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: freight chain called a wall to eight, I believes the score.

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Speaker 1: You take Oklahoma Oklahoma because you have more faith in

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Speaker 1: what Texas was doing as opposed to what Michigan was doing.

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Speaker 1: This program is in is in worse shape. Yeah, right now,

454
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Speaker 1: Michigan or Texas. Oh, it's an interesting question, and I

455
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Speaker 1: would say it's closer to Texas because the one thing

456
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Speaker 1: that Jim Harpbut does very well is to develop his players.

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Speaker 1: He put players in the league. He puts in the

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Speaker 1: league in the first round. The only blemish on his

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Speaker 1: record is he hasn't to being Ohio State right now?

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Speaker 1: Does fix it? Beating Ohio State fix everything? No? But

461
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Speaker 1: it's it fixes a lot. I say it fix a lot.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it in differently. We talked about it

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Speaker 1: in a different Texas hasn't won the Big twelve in

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Speaker 1: what I think we're going on thirteen years? Yeah, was

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Speaker 1: it that Colt McCoy. Maybe I think he was the

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Speaker 1: last guy to do it. I think he was the

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Speaker 1: last guy to do gosh, um, all right, name image, likeness, um.

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Speaker 1: I don't know r J. I I heard Lane Kiffin

469
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Speaker 1: say Bryce Young is getting close to a million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where he pulled that figure. I've been

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Speaker 1: googling to try to find the article. R J is

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Speaker 1: just sourced at all or people just tossing out numbers, um,

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Speaker 1: And what do you think of that? I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: incoming freshman a million dollars, so, uh, red shirt freshman.

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Speaker 1: So he's been there freshman, right, And you know, I

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Speaker 1: could do the math on this and say that I

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Speaker 1: think this money is stretched if it gets that high.

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Speaker 1: But I had a source about that, just doing a

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Speaker 1: little bit of reporting, and the person rolled his eyes

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Speaker 1: at me and he's like, hey, stop putting my kids

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Speaker 1: business in the street, right, And I get all over that.

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Speaker 1: I get that. But here's the thing. I think Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban saying that is interesting because what he's saying is

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Speaker 1: you can do that here at Alabama? Can you do

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Speaker 1: that somewhere else? Right now? Isn't a million dollars? I

486
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Speaker 1: doubt it is it six figures. There's no doubt he's

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Speaker 1: being repped by C A A. How many other nineteen

488
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: year old you know being ripped by CIA to play football?

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Speaker 1: And that's that's what I'm probably not many, right, So,

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Speaker 1: I think when we talk about name image and likeness,

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Speaker 1: it's not unlike regular free market capitalism. You and I

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Speaker 1: know people that get paid more than us. We know

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Speaker 1: people to get paid less than us do the same job. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's about what people are willing to pay you. And

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Speaker 1: at Alabama, they are willing to shell out because they

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Speaker 1: want to be connected to the starting quarterback at Alabama.

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Speaker 1: And he's got that job for two years. Okay is there?

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Speaker 1: And again I'm not trying to make problems for Alabama.

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Speaker 1: I love the guys making money off name image likeness.

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Speaker 1: But r J if he's making, as the headline, say,

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Speaker 1: a million bucks and then he walks into his offensive

502
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Speaker 1: lineman and these guys are maybe getting ten thous dollars

503
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Speaker 1: a guy, and that might be stretching it. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Do you see potentially any problems in that kind of

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Speaker 1: situation where your quarterback is making a mill and you

506
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Speaker 1: know you're just still going to class and not making anything.

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Speaker 1: You know. I don't don't like this argument either, because

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Speaker 1: we deal with this in the workplace all the time,

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Speaker 1: all the time. And when I think about like take

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Speaker 1: the NFL for instance, where we see this, you have

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Speaker 1: a thirty million dollar bonus baby quarterback, right, do people

512
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Speaker 1: take it out on him and my jab him? But

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Speaker 1: they know he's the Because if your name is Kirk Cousins,

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Speaker 1: yes you get you get beat up. What but you

515
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Speaker 1: but you get beat up by? Who do you get

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Speaker 1: beat up by? I would say fans and media. I

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Speaker 1: don't think the locker room in Minnesota care. But the

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Speaker 1: check clears and you still check clears, and you still

519
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Speaker 1: play pretty dog on good football. You're an NFL quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you're starting the league. I think it's the same thing.

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Speaker 1: And I think if these coaches are worth the money

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Speaker 1: they're getting paid, they managed this and they manage it fine,

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Speaker 1: they manage it well. I'll give you another example. Bob Hayes,

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Speaker 1: as you very well know, one of the greatest Olympians

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Speaker 1: we've ever had, came out of Florida, A and M right,

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Speaker 1: and when he came back from winning all these gold medals,

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Speaker 1: I believe in Tokyo at the time. One of the

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Speaker 1: things that he was asked to you was go on camera,

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Speaker 1: talk to newspapers and get all these interviews. At the time,

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Speaker 1: this chant amount of name image and like this because

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Speaker 1: people are talking about you and people want to invest

532
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Speaker 1: in you if you're being talked about. So his player

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Speaker 1: or excuse me, Jake Gaither's head coach, has his team

534
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: have a meeting because the players come to him talking

535
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Speaker 1: about we don't like Bob getting all this attention, and

536
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: they said, Okay, if you don't like Bob Hayes getting

537
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Speaker 1: all this attention, then beat him in a foot race, right,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what you're up against, right and

539
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Speaker 1: play you do your job right because I think when

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Speaker 1: you when you look at that team in particular, Evan

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Speaker 1: Neil is probably the most talented dude on that team.

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00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: Right now, You seen this kid, he's sixth massive, right,

543
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: but he's also doing he's doing an exercise where he

544
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: jumps four feet in the air and splits his legs

545
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Speaker 1: and lands on some cushions. Right, have not that video, right?

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Speaker 1: That sounds painful though, right, But for me, that's your

547
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: most valuable player. And I don't think he has a

548
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: problem with this because he wants the guy behind him

549
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Speaker 1: to be happy, and he wants to throw touchdown past this.

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Speaker 1: And I think, if that's where you're coming from, you're

551
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Speaker 1: coming from a place of winning. All this is in

552
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Speaker 1: a wash. If that's fair, what about the kid who's

553
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: getting and again, Bryce Young, I'll just using his example.

554
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: He knows that he's going to get paid down the road,

555
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Speaker 1: big money from the NFL if he continues on this track.

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Speaker 1: Do you foresee any situations where kids start getting the

557
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Speaker 1: money and start thinking, Oh, maybe I don't have to

558
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Speaker 1: work as hard my social media's give I'm getting fifty

559
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Speaker 1: dollars just because I have a large Instagram following, and

560
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Speaker 1: if I bolster that I can make more money instead

561
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Speaker 1: of having to go to practice and work my butt

562
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Speaker 1: off in the gym. Do you see that as a

563
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Speaker 1: potential problem. Even actually spoke about this. He had a

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Speaker 1: kid asked him if he can miss seven on seven

565
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Speaker 1: so he could do an endorsement, and he said, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna let you miss practice to make twenty grand.

567
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: You're you're here practice. That stuff is anstillary. But I

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Speaker 1: also look at it this way. The kids are like

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Speaker 1: I come up and in digitally did you very well know?

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00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: And a film marketing sucks? I can't stand it. Right, Hey,

571
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Speaker 1: we're gonna give you this promo code. To use this

572
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Speaker 1: promo code, and we'll give you a percentage of the sales. Right,

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Speaker 1: you know what don't want to see on your Twitter,

574
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: your Instagram, your YouTube channel. You're trying to talk them stuff, right,

575
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna turn on you real quick. You have to

576
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: create some content to go along with that. And I'm

577
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Speaker 1: really interested to see which one of the kids is

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Speaker 1: willing to take on the second job that they would

579
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Speaker 1: happen to become to be able to make this money.

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Speaker 1: And you usually can't do that and be a high

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Speaker 1: caliber football player. But if you can, more power to you.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we'll bring a full circle to wrap up. Um,

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Speaker 1: where are Texas and Oklahoma playing football? What? What conference

584
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Speaker 1: in UREE will go? Two years down the road? Big twelve?

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00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: Do you see Oklahoma leaving without Oklahoma State? Because I

586
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: read somewhere that they're kind of tied together due to

587
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Speaker 1: some state legislature. Yeah, and I read the same thing too,

588
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: and I need to talk to lawyers to get this,

589
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: but oh boy, that sounds like fun. Right. But I

590
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: could see it. I mean, I could see them playing

591
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Speaker 1: a part, but I don't. I don't. I don't see

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Speaker 1: that happening either, because again, it doesn't make any sense

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Speaker 1: for them to lead competitively. Um. And I don't think

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00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: it makes it any sense for them to lead financially.

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Speaker 1: I think you're in a good spot. I think that

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Speaker 1: you're also just trying to You're doing what I think

597
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: you should be doing it, which is asking questions. Right.

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00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: And if you if you're asking questions, fine, when you

599
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: make a move, call me right, because nobody's nobody's done anything.

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Speaker 1: They just ask questions. You know. It's weird, this whole,

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Speaker 1: this whole like realignment, Um, I can see it mushrooming

602
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: out and and becoming like four conferences with sixteen teams

603
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Speaker 1: or whatever. Keep this on, keep this in the back

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00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: of your head. The college football playoff contract is up

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00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: in that's how much time we have. Okay, we can

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Speaker 1: go to several years. Yeah, we can't go to TWOELTEM

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Speaker 1: expansion until then, so who knows what forever? Uh? And

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Speaker 1: last question, how much pain? How much pain is Texas

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Speaker 1: A And I'm going through hearing this Texas report when

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Speaker 1: you could argue this could be a playoff team in

611
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Speaker 1: the Aggies or or do you think that's insane? No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's insane. I also think that Aggies

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Speaker 1: fans are looking for any reason and to try to

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Speaker 1: a claim that they're being cheated on right and be

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Speaker 1: that they are the better team in Texas. And this

616
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: is something I think your friends in Texas would actually

617
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Speaker 1: talk to. There is a complex both of those fan bases,

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Speaker 1: and one is because in the case of d and now,

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Speaker 1: you haven't won a national championship with football since nineteen nine,

620
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: and you move to a division that is run by

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Speaker 1: the best college football team ever and the best program ever.

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna do everything you can to try to

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Speaker 1: hang on what you got because all you get to

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Speaker 1: say in the state of Texas is where the SEC.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, man, but like I'm

626
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger than saying I'm with the SEC.

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Speaker 1: I'm with my team, with my team, Yeah, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. He is R. J. Young. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: got a great podcast. He's a juggernaut on college football.

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Speaker 1: And I know, I know this. Your trivia is on

631
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: college football is as good as anyone's right, I mean

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Speaker 1: dominant utterly. Now. I will be playing you in chess

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Speaker 1: at some point. I did activate that account. R J

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Speaker 1: A big chess guy. Um, yeah, so I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to it, all right, r J, thanks a lot for

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Speaker 1: the time, man, Big end media day, all right, buddy

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Speaker 1: MI