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Speaker 1: What is up? Mets Up listeners, Episode number sixty four

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Speaker 1: of the mets Up Podcast Coming at you a little late.

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Speaker 1: The boys are a little We went out and we celebrated.

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Speaker 1: If you're watching the YouTube video, just give a fist

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Speaker 1: pound on camera because we signed Max mad Max Sureser

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Speaker 1: to a three year, one hundred and thirty million dollars deal.

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Speaker 1: The money is insane, Uncle Steve. We'll get going into it,

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Speaker 1: but you know I gotta do my spiel first. If

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Speaker 1: help us grow. James is sitting right here, so I

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Speaker 1: don't really need to bring him in. But James, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've had some We've had some drinks five six seven,

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Speaker 2: Had something of the twenty four hours with the messed

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Speaker 2: up podcast, starting out with our debut on spaces on

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Speaker 1: Let's just talk about that real quick. An incredible time

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Speaker 1: that was. If you guys aren't following me and James

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Speaker 1: on Twitter personally messed up podcast, whatever, that's fine, follow

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Speaker 1: me and James on Twitter personally at Draftnick Mark at

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Speaker 1: Jeter had no range. We've been using the feature that's

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Speaker 1: These are two of the biggest moves I mean two

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Speaker 1: We signed Max Chers to a three year, one hundred

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Speaker 1: We've seen him pitch for the last five six years

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Speaker 1: Officially the Mets run New York. Yeah, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: This is our city. The Empire State Building hasn't been

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Speaker 2: And the one thing that everybody out there really needs

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Speaker 1: His talent is immense. He doesn't need the youth to

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Speaker 1: Me and you, I think we're both around that fifty

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Speaker 2: we perform at their eightieth ninety percentile of expectations this year.

435
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Speaker 2: Let's even say we have better records than some of

436
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Speaker 2: the teams in the National League Western, National League Central

437
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Speaker 2: be the all teams nationally East.

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Speaker 1: The Mets somehow have become the number one seed in

439
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Speaker 1: the National League.

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Speaker 2: You are waiting for that team to come from the

441
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Speaker 2: wildcard game, unless that team is the Brewers or the

442
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Speaker 2: Philly is the only other teams in I guess the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: I guess a lot of these playoff teams probably will

444
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Speaker 1: have two aces. I think the Phillies is a little

445
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Speaker 1: bit of a stretch, I know.

446
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Speaker 2: But I'm talking about two teams who have teams that

447
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Speaker 2: have two elites starting the top.

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Speaker 1: And again I'm being kind to Aaron Nola. I'm a

449
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Speaker 1: big Aaron Nola guy. Probably bigger than.

450
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Speaker 2: Most people in baseball right now. But you will be

451
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Speaker 2: sitting in the Cappard seed in that playoff series with

452
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Speaker 2: two aces in hand, ready to just absolutely put somebody

453
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Speaker 2: in the dirt in the first moment possible and blow

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Speaker 2: through and get ready to win a series. That's how

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Speaker 2: you go the World Series. That's not a message in

456
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: No, there's there. This team is gonna be built around

458
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Speaker 1: pitching right now. Like the offense, we grab some good pieces.

459
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent of the offense is getting stronger, and

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Speaker 1: I think the offense is better than it's going to

461
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Speaker 1: be last year. Without a doubt, the guys Lindor is

462
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Speaker 1: gonna have a bounce back season. Guys aren't gonna have

463
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Speaker 1: the down years that they had last year. But this

464
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Speaker 1: pitching at the front line, at the absolute worst is

465
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Speaker 1: one hundred times stronger. It's one hundred I love Stroman,

466
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Speaker 1: I love the guys that we picked up last year.

467
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Speaker 1: Stroman's not here right now. I'd love to bring him back.

468
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Speaker 1: He'd be unbelievable. Number three's sick. Number three. But even

469
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Speaker 1: having Carrasco and Taiwan, now as this four or five

470
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Speaker 1: or three four and then McGill. I mean, just having

471
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Speaker 1: the guys of de Gram Insurs who are gonna go

472
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Speaker 1: six seven innings minimum every five days back to back,

473
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Speaker 1: by the way, back to back days is so powerful,

474
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Speaker 1: it's so strong to push back on that for a second.

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Speaker 2: I think another big part of the sures of signing

476
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Speaker 2: is the fact that the Mets now have the opportunity

477
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Speaker 2: to possibly ease Jacob de Gram into the season. I

478
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Speaker 2: can really foresee a world where Jacob de Gram is

479
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Speaker 2: only throwing four or five innings for six, eight, twelve

480
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Speaker 2: weeks as we start the season, possibly into June, even

481
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Speaker 2: up until the also break, just depending on the health

482
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Speaker 2: of his elbow that we know is still pending.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we really don't know anything about it. Don't know

484
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Speaker 1: anything about it.

485
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Speaker 2: But the fact that we actually have an ace who

486
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Speaker 2: can be on his level, which is a shocking thing

487
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Speaker 2: to say, but this is true at this given moment,

488
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Speaker 2: to take the pressure off of him and not put

489
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Speaker 2: him in a position where he has to win every game.

490
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Speaker 2: He starts to the point where he's busting his ass

491
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Speaker 2: and throwing with one hundred and twenty percent every single

492
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Speaker 2: pitch he throws in the game, just to take it easy.

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Speaker 1: And again even with that, easing a.

494
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Speaker 2: Guy like David Pearson back in the rotation once we

495
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Speaker 2: get going in the season, easing a guy like Joe

496
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Speaker 2: Lukez back into this rotation, easing a guy like a

497
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Speaker 2: possible signing I mentioned before, Rich Hill into the rotation

498
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Speaker 2: early in the season. Having Max Scherzer as your safety

499
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Speaker 2: net and your foundational building block helps Jacob de Gram

500
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Speaker 2: to reacclimate himself much more effectively than if.

501
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Speaker 1: He was not here. Jacob de Gram is, of course

502
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Speaker 1: the best picture in this rotation, but Max Scherzer is

503
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Speaker 1: another piece of glue that is no longer just Jacob

504
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Speaker 1: de Gram that this rotation doesn't have to rely on

505
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Speaker 1: you give another incredibly strong arm. It just takes so

506
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Speaker 1: much pressure off of everybody on this team right now

507
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Speaker 1: on the pitching side. It's unbelievable. And I think one

508
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Speaker 1: thing we have to address is the pay. It's three years,

509
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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty million. It is the biggest contract

510
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Speaker 1: given to a pitcher for AAV ever or a player

511
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Speaker 1: or player ever. He's getting forty three million dollars at

512
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Speaker 1: age thirty seven, and I think that's probably something that

513
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are concerned about a lot of

514
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Speaker 1: people are worried about all his peripherals are still elite.

515
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Speaker 1: And here's the thing with Max Suer, here's the thing

516
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Speaker 1: with the Mets. Overpaid is not a word in our

517
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Speaker 1: vocabulary anymore. The Mets and Steve Cohen have just shown

518
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Speaker 1: that money is not an it. It's not a worry

519
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Speaker 1: in the slightest. You just paid the biggest contract to

520
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Speaker 1: one of the older players on the market. Nobody cares.

521
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Speaker 1: Overpaid is poor people words. Those are poor people terms.

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Speaker 1: I'll say it again. If you say the word overpaid,

523
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Speaker 1: that's because you come from a team who doesn't have

524
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Speaker 1: the money like the Mets. And I can't even believe

525
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Speaker 1: him saying that right now. No, definitely, But again, those

526
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Speaker 1: are all fun things.

527
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Speaker 2: To say, and it really does feel comfortable to say

528
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Speaker 2: the things that like, we can like we're rich now

529
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Speaker 2: the Mets are rich. We can spend twenty one any

530
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Speaker 2: player in the world. But the fact that this player

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Speaker 2: was Max Schuzer is meaningful. And now I'm gonna give

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Speaker 2: the little pitching breakdown becase I'm sure everyone's been waiting

533
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Speaker 2: for that. It's been a couple of months.

534
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Speaker 1: As I give it. One of those here we go,

535
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Speaker 1: James give it to us.

536
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Speaker 2: But a guy like Max Scherzer, when you think about

537
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Speaker 2: a thirty seven year old Pittcher, you're thinking thinking about

538
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Speaker 2: signing a guy in his twilight who is kind of

539
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Speaker 2: on the descent. And there's nothing that Max Scherzer has

540
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Speaker 2: done would really make you think that Max Scherz is

541
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Speaker 2: vlost in. His fastball has been steady for years, literally

542
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Speaker 2: basically the entire career. He's always been a guy who

543
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Speaker 2: sat between ninety four ninety six miles an hour.

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Speaker 1: Yep, he did that last year.

545
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Speaker 2: Max Scherz are his entire career, is a guy who

546
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Speaker 2: sat in the high twenties, low thirties and k rate.

547
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Speaker 2: He has actually increased that dramatically in the last four

548
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Speaker 2: years of his career, last year being a thirty four

549
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Speaker 2: point one strike strikeout rate guy, and ously every year

550
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Speaker 2: since twenty seventeen he's been hovering around that thirty four

551
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Speaker 2: thirty five percent numbers.

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Speaker 1: That's something that really hasn't gone down. Same thing with

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Speaker 1: his walk grade.

554
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Speaker 2: Max Scherzer in his whole career has been a guy

555
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Speaker 2: between four and eight percent walk grade. Again, that's kind

556
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Speaker 2: of a wide range, but that's because he's been oscillating

557
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Speaker 2: a lot. Last year was a five percent two has

558
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Speaker 2: nineteen was four point eight. Every year between you had

559
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Speaker 2: the sixteen twenty eighteen he was in the sixes. That's

560
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Speaker 2: coming down. Like usually when a guy ages, you kind

561
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Speaker 2: of expect something to go wrong, and for Max Scherzer,

562
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Speaker 2: it hasn't been command, which is something that we can

563
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Speaker 2: really hang our hats on as Mets fans. The one

564
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Speaker 2: thing that Max Scherzer has to t rate in a

565
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Speaker 2: little bit is his home run rate. He's kind of

566
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Speaker 2: leaving the ball up more. And again I'm talking about command.

567
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Speaker 2: He's not walking guys, but there's leaving pitches that are

568
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Speaker 2: a little bit more hittable in certain parts of strikes on,

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Speaker 2: especially in the middle or up.

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Speaker 1: This something he struggled with last year. But even then,

571
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Speaker 1: like even in his prime with the Nationals, he was

572
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Speaker 1: still giving up close to the top of the league

573
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Speaker 1: in home runs absolutely well.

574
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Speaker 2: That's because Nationals Park, based on stack has park factor,

575
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Speaker 2: is one of the easiest ballparks at home run in

576
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Speaker 2: all of baseball.

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Speaker 1: It's in the top five.

578
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Speaker 2: Last year Straights the Dodgers mid season's also easier than

579
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Speaker 2: the average hit a home run city Field is a

580
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Speaker 2: much easier park to pitching than either of those. While

581
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Speaker 2: city fields park factor for home runs is a little

582
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Speaker 2: bit high in Leaue Gabbage, it's well blown. Nationals Park

583
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Speaker 2: is moderately little bit Dodgers Park, and overall for all

584
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Speaker 2: other hits, extra base hits, in general, it's a better

585
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Speaker 2: park to pitch in. So we can kind of expect

586
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Speaker 2: some regression from the I almost said no Sindigrid Jesus

587
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Speaker 2: Christ from Max Sher's's home run rate while coming to

588
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Speaker 2: the city Field, which is something that I think we

589
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Speaker 2: can be very confident about.

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Speaker 1: And I think not to mention too. I mean, the

591
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Speaker 1: Dodgers great defensive team. They always are, They're always super strong.

592
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Speaker 1: The Mets have one of the better defensive in fields

593
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Speaker 1: in baseball, and we just got really really strong in

594
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Speaker 1: the outfield too, defensively, adding Starling Marte and Marcana. The

595
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Speaker 1: Mets are not just getting Mac suers, but they're putting

596
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Speaker 1: a great team behind him, which is really really valuable.

597
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Speaker 1: And like I know, James just gave you all the stats,

598
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Speaker 1: but you guys have watched this guy pitch. You don't

599
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Speaker 1: need to be a scientist. You don't need to be

600
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Speaker 1: a mathematician to dissect the numbers to understand how good

601
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Speaker 1: this guy is. He is a dude. You watch and

602
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Speaker 1: you understand he is one of the best pitchers in baseball. No, definitely, I'm.

603
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Speaker 2: Nippicking right now because there are gonna be people in

604
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Speaker 2: your life, people in our lives.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna tell you the Mets overpaid for a thirty

606
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Speaker 1: seven year old. That's poor people words. I don't want

607
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Speaker 1: to hear overpaid.

608
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Speaker 2: Something's gonna go wrong, but I'm really telling you, statistically,

609
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Speaker 2: there's nothing that seems like could go wrong.

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Speaker 1: And then another thing.

611
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Speaker 2: Max Schurz has just kind of been the staple of

612
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Speaker 2: health for most of his career. He had a very

613
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Speaker 2: small injury this season, missed two weeks, but other than that,

614
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Speaker 2: this guy is an absolute warrior, a psychopath. He's nuts,

615
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Speaker 2: and he's committed to being on the mound every five days,

616
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Speaker 2: which is something that in the modern baseball landscape is

617
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Speaker 2: inherently valuable.

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Speaker 1: Bring a different edge to this team. He brings a

619
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Speaker 1: different kind of a winning nature. He does not want

620
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Speaker 1: to lose. He is not interested in losing. He wouldn't

621
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Speaker 1: sign with this team if he didn't think that they

622
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Speaker 1: would be good. You mentioned that earlier. Max Scherzer is

623
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Speaker 1: here one because he got paid a lot of money,

624
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Speaker 1: but two, he knows that this team can do something.

625
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Speaker 1: He knows that this team has potential. And I truly

626
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Speaker 1: believe that with Max Schurz are a part of this roster,

627
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Speaker 1: the Mets can really make some noise in Major League Baseball.

628
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Speaker 1: And I'm super super happy, super grateful that we have

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Speaker 1: an owner that just spent this amount of money on

630
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Speaker 1: a guy to try and make this team win, because really,

631
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Speaker 1: we have not seen this in our lifetime, at least

632
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Speaker 1: since like what two thousand and five, two thousand and six.

633
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Speaker 2: No, definitely the words you fork. And we were asked

634
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Speaker 2: that last night on Spaces to bring it up again.

635
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Speaker 2: Is this the most optimistic you've ever felt about the Mets?

636
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Speaker 2: And I said resoundingly yes.

637
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said the same thing like, granted, we were

638
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Speaker 1: ten years old in two thousand and six, so like

639
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of a different time per se as

640
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Speaker 1: us for a Mets fan, but the most recent optimistic

641
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Speaker 1: time I know, I picked the Mets win the World

642
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: Series all the time on youtub, but that's for entertainment purposes.

643
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen is probably the last time we really felt

644
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: that optimistic. And even then, this team is miles miles

645
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Speaker 1: better than that roster.

646
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's miles better than a roster right now,

647
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Speaker 2: but I think that they would. The foundation of the

648
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: roster right now is a chance to be miles better

649
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Speaker 2: than that roster.

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Speaker 1: See, I do think we have a more complete team

651
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Speaker 1: than that roster. Really. I think the offense. I think

652
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: sometimes US Mets fans forget how offensively a net that

653
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: team was.

654
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is not that that is kind of true,

655
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: but that team starting pitching was at least it's something

656
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: we can't really rivel right now, even with these two monsters.

657
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: No, we we might have the better top end stuff

658
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: right now than that rotation because the gram was not

659
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: the picture that he was. He's still really good. Is Yes,

660
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: Harvey was the guy at the time in Cindergard as well.

661
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: Those were the two studs of that rotation for sure.

662
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Wh Zack Wheler was a little bit steep at the time.

663
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: Pretty good he was. He was very strong. But I

664
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: really do think that top to bottom that this team

665
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: is one of the strongest team that's the Mets have

666
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: fielded in a very long time, and getting a guy

667
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: like Surezer just proves to at least the Mets fans

668
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: that they're going for it. They're not content with just

669
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: being okay.

670
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 2: I think that the biggest thing that this Surez removed

671
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: signals is that there's no way the Mets are done

672
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: this offseason. While we're about to hit this horrible, catastrophic

673
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: blue balling lockout in a few hours, this does not

674
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: mean the Mets are done signing players. And then I

675
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: think that's how we're gonna transition right now to how

676
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna move towards the end of step. We're not

677
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: gonna wrap it up yet. We don't do thirty minute

678
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: episodes in the Messed Up podcast. We can, it's not possible.

679
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: But I think there are still some minor holes that

680
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: the Mets need to fill. Oh, I would say's some

681
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: moderate holes the Mets need to fill.

682
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like a number three starter. Like again,

683
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: that's it's really semantics at this point, because romantics, I mean,

684
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: who's your number three star right now? Carrasco? Yeah, I

685
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: mean you're going Carasco or Taiwan. And I'm sure a

686
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: lot of people in the Mets world would be okay

687
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: with Taiwan or Crasco being three. Maybe not Carasco, maybe

688
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: Taiwan more. That's almost the opposite of what should be true, correct.

689
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: I think that we do need another starting pitcher. There

690
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: needs to be at least one legitimate one signed. I'd

691
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: love to bring back to Strolman if money's not an option,

692
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: which it seems like it's not going to be. He

693
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: would be just unbelievable at the number three spot. But

694
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he's coming back.

695
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: I would literally kill to have Marcus Stroman a part

696
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: of this rotation. Marcus Stroman has caught a lot of

697
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: heat recently because of things on social media.

698
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: I have to stress to myself, to you, to the

699
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: Mets fans.

700
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: Everywhere, that we really can't look too deep into what

701
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: goes on outside of the baseball field if we're looking

702
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: at players who are on it. And I think there's

703
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: not one player who currently exists on the open market

704
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: who can raise the Mets ceiling more than Marcus Strouman

705
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: right now.

706
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially like on the pitching side, which is probably

707
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: again our biggest glaring hole. We kind of I know

708
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: you're not the biggest Eduardo escobug are a guy that

709
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: play every day at third base. No, but we do

710
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: have a third basement right now, we do have one

711
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: with at least him and JD. Davis combined. That's our

712
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: third base spot right now, I.

713
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: Think theoretically, but I don't know how different and why

714
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: the West Combine and JD. Davis really are to the

715
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: fact that you can call them like complimentary pieces.

716
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, that's fair, But I do think that

717
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: right now, the way that this a offenses looking, the

718
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: starters are kind of in place, You're okay with going

719
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: into the season with those guys. Right now we at

720
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: the absolute worst. Let's just pretend that we're gonna use

721
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: Taiwan and Carlos Carrasco as three four. We don't have

722
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: a five starter.

723
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: No, we do not have a five star at all.

724
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: But we also don't really I'm contradicting myself. As I

725
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: said three seconds ago, pitching was the biggest concern. Marcus

726
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: Strom could raise the ceiling the most. We still don't

727
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: really have enough definite difference makers in this offense because

728
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: right now you look at the Mets lineup, up and down,

729
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: it's really just Alonzo and Lindor as guys who.

730
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: You can absolutely say are beasts for lack of.

731
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: A better term, right, Yeah, I mean Nimo two, Nemo two.

732
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: But we just we I need to see him one

733
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: hundred fifty games. I'm not I'm not taking anything away

734
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: from them right now, and I've said time and time again,

735
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: your injury prone until you're not. I believe in brandm

736
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: I think Brandon is gonna be a very good player

737
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: here for a long time, but I still would like

738
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: to see him do something over a longer sample to

739
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: make me fully believe that he can be like an

740
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: all star caliber player. Yeah.

741
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: The thing to me that I like about the way

742
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: that the Mets are built right now is that we're

743
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: currently talking about J D. Davis, Jeff McNeil, Dom Smith,

744
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys that we thought would get

745
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: significant playing time last year as the role players, the

746
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: guys who we are going to fill in. And to me,

747
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: something that we talked about at least a lot towards

748
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: the end of the season was that the Mets were

749
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: not utilizing the twenty six men on this roster, and

750
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: right now it feels like we are trying to get

751
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: the most out of it. We had a center fielder

752
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: in Brandon Neimo. If he was our centerfielder on opening day,

753
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us would have complained he

754
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: was very good last year, Oh definitely not. And we

755
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: went and got a guy like Starting Marte winning, got

756
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: a guy like Marcanna, and now Brandon Neiman moves to

757
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: a corner and we have a complete outfield.

758
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: Yes, for the first time literally in our adult lives,

759
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: Mets have a complete outfield, which is kind of a

760
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: shocking thing to say. Lamb's still a little bit worried

761
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: about those two positions, as in second base and third base.

762
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: I do believe in Jeff McNeil. I do think Jeff

763
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: Neil can be a very valuable player for this team.

764
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: If I said time and time again, I don't know

765
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: if the Mets can win a World Series. Jeff neill

766
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: get six hundred plate appearances.

767
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and six hundred might be a little much. But

768
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: we do also have a Robbie Cano, don't you know.

769
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: I know We're not gonna forget what robins and Cano,

770
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: and I'm sure the robins of Cano any time in

771
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: his life next twenty five.

772
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: Years can roll out of bed and hit two way. Yeah,

773
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: doubt he's he still does have talent despite you know,

774
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: maybe a couple injections to the left buttocks and right buttocks.

775
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: But it's really hard for me right now. And maybe

776
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: this again is this is euphoric high because of the

777
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: max Ers are signing something that we just haven't seen

778
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: really in our lifetime. Carls s. Beeltron is probably the

779
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: closest thing to it, and maybe maybe Cesspadas because of

780
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: the high that we had from him from the playoff run.

781
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: But we have not made a move on the fre

782
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: agent market of a player that wasn't a former Met.

783
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 1: You know, we signed Piazza to that big contract, that's

784
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: the other one you think of when you talk about

785
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: big Mets contracts. This is just we brought an outside

786
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: guy to this team that is going to immediately, right

787
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 1: now make this team a scary matchup.

788
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: In our last episode, we talked about the Mets kind

789
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: of reworking their foundation and changing their culture. I don't

790
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: think you can do anything more to change a culture

791
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: and to turn it into a winning one. To bring

792
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: in someone as intense and as historically successful as Max

793
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: sure As are he now without having on this roster

794
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: is the only player it's ever won a World Series. Yeah,

795
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: And while that is like some kind of old head

796
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: baseball thing that you guys probably are not used to

797
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: me saying, there is something that makes that a little

798
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: bit meaningful in the end of the day.

799
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: Right, sure'ser I said it earlier. He will not accept

800
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: he will not accept subpar play. He won't do it.

801
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: And maybe this is something that you know, some guys

802
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: in the Mets aren't used to the Mets for most

803
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: of these guys' careers have been the lovable losers. There's

804
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: kind of no way about it. They rally a little bit,

805
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: everyone gets behind them, and then they kind of peter out.

806
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: Maybe sure, this is the guy who turns his around, goes, guys,

807
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: we're not just gonna be good, We're going to be

808
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: the best. I demand the best, because if you're not

809
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: trying to be the best, why are you even playing?

810
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the Mets kind of need that

811
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: swift kick in the ass. That's something we talked about

812
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 2: a lot during the twenty twenty one season. That's kind

813
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: of lack that intensity and.

814
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: Fire, that leadership. A lot of people, you know, didn't

815
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: like Rojas for being that mellow guy. I know, we

816
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: don't have a manager right now, which is super funny

817
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: to talk about because we're hyping up this team about

818
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, being contenders and we don't know who is

819
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: going to be the manager. But when you have a

820
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: guy like Max Scherzer, it's like having another manager per

821
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: se or another leader at the absolute worst on the field.

822
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: I know it's hard to have pitchers be that guy,

823
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: be that voice, because they really do only appear every

824
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: five days, But if you talk to people around the

825
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: Nationals and if you hear everything that Anglin's had to

826
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: say about Max Scherzer, this guy is a leader and

827
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: I do think he commands respect around the locker room,

828
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: regardless of whether it's his first year, his first day,

829
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: his tenth year on a certain team. He demands respect.

830
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: Definitely because he's one of the best players who's ever

831
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: played this game.

832
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: This generation.

833
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something that things that Max Schozer has done,

834
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if you'll ever see them be done again,

835
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: at least not in the mag tuo that he's done them. Like,

836
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: there's a guy who for the last ten seasons has

837
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: been consistently in top five to sell Young, top five

838
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: and four for pitchers, like there's no stopping him. But

839
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: we've talked about Max Scherzer for not thirty five consecutive minutes.

840
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we thought would be a short emergency episode.

841
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: I want to go for about five more minutes talking

842
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 2: about what we think could happen next, even though none

843
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: of it's going to happen next. This is a futile

844
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: thought exercise. But I posted the poll before.

845
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: The Mets That podcast.

846
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: It was about who would you want on this roster,

847
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: you guys, Mets fans, between Hobby buyas and Marcus Stroman

848
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: if years and money were the same, And the answer

849
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 2: was overwhelmingly hobby bias seventy two percent versus twenty eight percent,

850
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: which shocked me truly to my core. And I think

851
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 2: a lot of that could possibly be because people are

852
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: just down on Marcus Stroman, the guy right now in

853
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: social media personality.

854
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of down on Marcus

855
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: Strouwman for his personality. But I also do think that

856
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: people are taking the sures or move as we don't

857
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: need more pitching, I really do. I think when you

858
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: hear that we have Jacob de Gram and Max Sure's

859
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: or you go how much more can we take? How

860
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: much more do we need? I mean, you think ahead

861
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: and you go in even in a seven game World Series,

862
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: those guys are pitching four games, definitely.

863
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, the Mets have

864
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: to go about how many in exist season?

865
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: Note in times one sixteen, one hundred and sixty, you

866
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: have to play one hundred and six two games. And

867
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: as we've seen for the Mets for the long time,

868
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter necessarily what you do for those forty

869
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: games that you have your best pitcher out there, you

870
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: need to be able to dominate the season. In order

871
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: for us to do that, we need a complete pitching staff.

872
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: We have one too, we have four or five. We

873
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: need that three definitely.

874
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 2: The end of the day, you've got to throw about

875
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred innings to get through a major league season

876
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: right now, best case scenario between Max Choz and.

877
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: Jacob Degram through sixty yeah, exactly.

878
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 2: So we're we gotta find twelve hundred more innings about

879
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: around there.

880
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: And granted we have bullpen too, that's gonna eat up,

881
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: you know, a good chunk of the innings as well.

882
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: But there needs to be someone who comes into this

883
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: team who we can count on. It may be a

884
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: collection of guys too. Imagine Rachel. I know I can

885
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: count of Rachel for one hundred inchess. Oh yeah, I

886
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: love Rachael for one hundred ins. We have to find

887
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: probably about two hundred more innings from this free agent

888
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: class before the offseason ends, if we really want to

889
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: feel confident about reaching the playoffs, because before you get

890
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: to the World Series, you gotta.

891
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: Get to the playoffs. Yes, and that's I think that's

892
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: super important too. Like we're we're on cloud nine, We're high,

893
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: We're we're happy, we're feeling great, but we gotta think again,

894
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: we gotta come back to earth. And I think the

895
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Mets are luckily going to do the exact same thing

896
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: and re reassess, regroup what needs to be done. And

897
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: there is still work that needs to be done. This

898
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: team is still not the best team in baseball. And

899
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: if Steve Cohen truly does want to build a World

900
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: Series champion team in the next three to five years,

901
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: like you said last year, you need to be the

902
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: best team in baseball on paper going into every single season,

903
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: and right now the Mets don't stand like that. But

904
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: I will say we are in a hell of a

905
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: better spot than I thought we were gonna be at

906
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: November twenty.

907
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: Ninth, monumentally better spot Like this just comes down to

908
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: the fact that Mets need innings.

909
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: And while people think hovey Baia is the most important player,

910
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: and I think that hove Baias might end up coming

911
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: back to the Mets over Marcus Stroman, I don't think

912
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: that they're necessarily wrong in that poll of picking who

913
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: will come back. I think they're wrong in saying that

914
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: he is the more important player, that hitting is more

915
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: important than pitching right now, because pitching still wins championships

916
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the day.

917
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Even though we, especially the two of us, kind

918
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: of shato on the braves during the season about not

919
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: having enough to win a World Series or even get

920
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: to the playoffs, or just even being better than a

921
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 2: mediocre team, by the time they got to the playoffs,

922
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: they still had three pitchers who were pitching every five days,

923
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: very consistently, and giving them innings and putting them in

924
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: a position to win the game, giving their bullpen arrest,

925
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: and making sure that they were ready.

926
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: To win when situation came about. And again, Front three

927
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: morton Ian Anderson, Max Freed, that's one of the best

928
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: front threes in baseball.

929
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: It was, and kind of shockingly did it turn out

930
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: to be that way?

931
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: Yep, and the Braves won a freaking World Series because

932
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: of it. I know, so Lair and Duval and Peterson

933
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: and Rosario kind of get the press about being the

934
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: moves that helped, Yeah, the moves that helped make the

935
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: Braves win the World Series. But along with the shifting,

936
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: those guys pitching numbers all of a sudden started to

937
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: get a lot better.

938
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: And you look at the year before, Dustin May and

939
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: Julio Urias came out of not left field, but they

940
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: definitely came out of a place that people didn't think

941
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: they were coming from to really.

942
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: Clutch up and win a World Series.

943
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: The Dodgers the year before that, Consolin that, yeah, pitch

944
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: a lot of very important things in the playoffs. You

945
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: look at the year before that, Patrick Corbin just really

946
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: nutted up and won some games to the Nationals. Steven

947
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: Strasford pitched the best baseball's ever pitched, and Bal Sancho's

948
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: had great out aga. Of course, like I Max sure

949
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 2: as that came out of nowhere the way the modern

950
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: baseball works. While we have diminished the value of starting

951
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: pitching on a grand scale, there's absolutely no doubt that

952
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: you need lots of it to actually reach a place

953
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: that we want to get to. We this is all

954
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: fun and games, but you're not winning a World Series

955
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: in November.

956
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: At the end of the day.

957
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: This rotation one needs to stay healthy and two needs

958
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: to get him stronger before we actually head into the season.

959
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, luckily for the Mets, and you

960
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: know for us Mets fans at home, there's a lot

961
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: of room to improve and there are a lot of

962
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: guys still available that we can go after, whether it's

963
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: through free agency or trade market, that will make this

964
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: team better, and I fully expect them to. I do

965
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: not think the Mets are done. No, no way the

966
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: Mets are done.

967
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: I think that there's a really good chance that the

968
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: Mets look towards either some of the frontline guys still

969
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: available that call us for Donna, Marcus Stroman, and even

970
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: past that.

971
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: Sadly, Alex Cobb was signed today everyone or went out

972
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: for me.

973
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: I was devastated this evening when that news came out

974
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 2: that he was a Giant. But Michael Pineda is pretty underrated.

975
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: You can sign him for very cheaply, and he will

976
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: throw you innings, and he will miss enough bats to

977
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: probably be okay for an extended period of time. Tyler

978
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: Anderson is a guy who will go out there every

979
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: five days and compete. He won't be exciting. It won't

980
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: be fun to watch Tyler Anderson pitch. You probably see

981
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 2: some really bad games, probably see some really good games.

982
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: You'll see that.

983
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: But this is just the kind of guy the Mets

984
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: really need. You say, Kakuchi, that's not a sexy name.

985
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: I was just about to say, all the names we're

986
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: gonna mention are not sexy. There's only a few sexy

987
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: picks left. And even then, like the sexy scale is,

988
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: you know, about a seven out of ten. You're not

989
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: looking at you know, any Kate Uptons out here, But

990
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: it's Rodond and Stroman. Yes, is Rodon and Stroman. These

991
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: guys are meeting potatoes. Yeah, these are. But listen, Mets fans,

992
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: we're a little bit of meeting potatoes. Were The Mets

993
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: have never been the sexy team by any means, and

994
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's gonna happen anytime soon. But

995
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: we can go ahead and make this team the best

996
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: meeting potatoes out there, and a good meat and potatoes dinner.

997
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm going there every night.

998
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: Love meat and potatoes thirty degrees every day right now

999
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: in New York City. Some nice beef stew, A couple

1000
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: of potatoes in there. That that's that fills you up

1001
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 2: to keeps you warm.

1002
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: A nice borshed, borshed, A nice was that polish's disgusting word.

1003
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: Not a big borst fan. But I like to eat,

1004
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: I don't like to hear it. Okay, that's fine. Maybe

1005
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: we just beef stew. Will let's be the best best

1006
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: beef stew that the Bets can possibly be.

1007
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: Definitely Like, got a name like Zach Cranky sounds disgusting,

1008
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: but wow, would he throw one hundred eighty competitive.

1009
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: In Let me tell you if Zach Cranky could get

1010
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: over his anxiety and come to New York, which like,

1011
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: it's real, that's it's true, it is, but it is

1012
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: real anxiety, and it's probably yeah, it's it's probably a

1013
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: It's probably the biggest long shot out there. Honestly, that

1014
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: Zach Ranky comes to the Mets. I truly believe that.

1015
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: I think it is. Wow. I just think he has

1016
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: no interest in being in this major market like that.

1017
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: But Zach Grank, I mean that guy would give you

1018
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: one hundred and eight eightnings right there. He would be

1019
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: the consistent. He would be so key to the consistent

1020
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: of this rotation. There are guys out there that exist,

1021
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: and we will be able to find them. Unfortunate, we're

1022
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait a couple months, but yeah, probably.

1023
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: You know, this Mets team is in a really good

1024
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: spot right now going into this long break where we

1025
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: don't we're not stressing. We're not stressing, and that's really nice.

1026
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: With the opposite stressed, I kind of feel amazing.

1027
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: We actually have a good opportunity, not we tho, the

1028
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: Mets organization has a very good opportunity now to be

1029
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 2: able to stop and collect themselves after pretty insane a

1030
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: couple of months that really should not have been. There's

1031
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 2: no reason October November should be insane for a team

1032
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: that won seventy eight games. Yeah in the season, but

1033
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: the Mets do get to stop and take a breath,

1034
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: really look and take stock of who they want to

1035
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: manage this team, who they can really scout and find

1036
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: value among the starters, the infielders, possibly the outfielders and

1037
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: the relief pitchers. They are still in the market. See

1038
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: where the value again, I say that where is going

1039
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: to come from? And just gather themselves and make very

1040
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 2: coherent decisions when this lockout inevitably ends.

1041
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: Huge shout out to Billy Eppler. Me and James have

1042
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: said from the start of the off season, prove us wrong,

1043
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: proved us wrong, definite wrong. He really just and I'm

1044
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: so happy to be wrong. As we said in the

1045
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: episode about it, so happy, so happy that Billy Eppler

1046
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: made us look stupid, made us look like fools, because

1047
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: it means the Mets are better. And I'm happy that

1048
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: the Mets are better. And the Mets are a lot

1049
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: better right now, they really are. So I think that

1050
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: is a perfect time for us to wrap up Episode

1051
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: number sixty four of The Messed Up Podcasts. An emergency episode,

1052
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: Max Sureser is a New York Met Hold on, I'm

1053
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: dying this. This is a fun emergency, which is this

1054
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: is a celebratory This is a celebratory episode. I like that.

1055
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: James Good good call a celebratory episode of the Messed

1056
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: Up Podcast. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you guys

1057
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,240
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1058
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Speaker 1: Google Podcast shout out. We're almost the top ten podcast,

1060
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Speaker 1: number twelve on all of the United States baseball, so huge.

1061
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Speaker 1: Shout to you, guys. All the new following. Yes, let's

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Speaker 1: tweeting right now. But all the new followers, all the

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Speaker 1: new supporters, all the new listeners. Thank you so much

1065
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Speaker 1: Mark with a C on Twitter, and uh, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: Check us out on Twitter spaces tomorrow tonight that you're

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Speaker 1: listening to this and we'll see you all probably next

1071
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Speaker 1: week for another episode of the Messed Up Podcast. Peace out, guys,

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Speaker 1: Peace out guys. See you next time.