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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 3: Everybody is the j Envy just hilarious. Charlomagne the gud

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Speaker 3: We are the breakfast Club. We got a special guest

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Speaker 3: in the building.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, Jordan.

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Speaker 4: Klepper yelcome, Thanks for having me. How you feeling I'm

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Speaker 4: feeling real good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I love the way you came in here already. Because

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Speaker 3: I was joking, I was like, you what six four?

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Speaker 3: And then Charlam, I was like, really you win, and

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Speaker 3: you said Charlomage must be around six to one and

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Speaker 3: say that.

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Speaker 2: He's not live one.

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Speaker 4: I said five to one, five five one, right, I

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Speaker 4: was being generous my joke in my head. I was like,

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Speaker 4: I'll make a joke about four to six, but I'll

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Speaker 4: give him a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: I said five to one. What did you say you were,

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Speaker 1: charlamne on five six? That's what I said, live five six?

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Speaker 1: You are no five six.

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Speaker 5: Actually five seven, but I just say five six to

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Speaker 5: make people feel comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you know.

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Speaker 2: Whatever reason I say five to seven, they argue with me.

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Speaker 4: So I just say five six, And even though you

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Speaker 4: said five six, I'm arguing with you right now, right

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Speaker 4: is that the brim if you put the brim away up,

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Speaker 4: you're including the brim, right.

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Speaker 5: But see, that's what I thought with you. I'm like

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Speaker 5: with the hair, you might be six four. I was

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Speaker 5: thinking like six one.

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Speaker 4: That is fair the hair. The hair gives me an

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Speaker 4: extra couple of inches five six.

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Speaker 5: With heels, well, you wear heels you when you actually

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Speaker 5: wear them?

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'm six five.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I broke my sesamoid bone.

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Speaker 2: Have you heard of it?

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Speaker 4: It's I didn't either. It's called it's the kneecap of

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Speaker 4: the toe. Wow, I got I got another. Let me

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Speaker 4: tell you if you want old man stories right now,

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Speaker 4: I broke my sesamitie bone by standing on.

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Speaker 1: It for too long.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is.

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Speaker 4: It's it, really, I broke about my standing. I'm just

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Speaker 4: I'm that old now.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, And I mean that's.

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Speaker 5: A big deal for you because you are, you know,

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Speaker 5: probably one of the best field journalists out here, if

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Speaker 5: not the.

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Speaker 1: Best, the best, one hundred percent the best. I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 5: And you have the new one fingers fingers, fingers, the

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Speaker 5: post fingers, the post maggot, the next generation that have

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Speaker 5: to affect you.

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Speaker 1: It does.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I I mean literally, if you watch the

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Speaker 4: special right now, you will see I'm only shot from

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Speaker 4: like the halfway up. Uh and if anything gets awry,

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Speaker 4: like I can't move or get away from people.

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Speaker 2: So it was broke during the special.

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Speaker 1: Broke during the special.

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Speaker 2: Oh you can't do that when you run the Maga crowd.

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Speaker 4: Now, no offense to the Maga crowd. But they're also

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Speaker 4: slow movers too, so you know I can I can

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Speaker 4: usually outmaneuver them. I can use my privilege to lord

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Speaker 4: it over them, or I use the four security guards

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Speaker 4: to get between me and them if things get hairy.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed the special.

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Speaker 5: It's you talking to the younger I guess generation of

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Speaker 5: Magna because fifteen percent of what young.

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Speaker 4: Men, Yeah, young men shifted right this election, and there

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Speaker 4: was a shift. There was a shift right from the

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Speaker 4: entire youth generation. Like women shifted right, but men especially

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Speaker 4: moved into the Maga camp. And so we were we're.

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Speaker 1: Curious, why, like what was it about that.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't it doesn't feel like the cool thing on

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Speaker 1: But there was a movement, so.

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Speaker 4: Like, let's get there, Let's go to a turning points event,

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Speaker 4: Let's go to a UFC fight, let's like talk to

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Speaker 5: I watched it and I when I finished, I was like,

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Speaker 2: It just felt like vibes.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think it still is vibes.

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Speaker 4: The large question was like, is there an ideology behind

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Speaker 4: I don't think you have a lot of kids who

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Speaker 4: have conservative ideals, So there's some religion comes in or

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Speaker 4: They see it as a little bit punk, that gives

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Speaker 4: which I think for the left they can get those

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Speaker 6: Jordan.

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Speaker 3: I would have to ask why why did you want

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Speaker 3: to waste your time and talk to Maga younger?

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Speaker 2: A waste of time? I think it's a good exercise.

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Speaker 2: I think more people should do that.

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Speaker 3: The reason I say that is because you're not going

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Speaker 3: to get the answers you like, probably and you're probably

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Speaker 3: gonna get threatened a lot.

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Speaker 4: Sure, yes, I mean the first answer health insurance. My

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Speaker 4: job is to be able to talk to other people.

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Speaker 4: And if I don't do my job, I don't have

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Speaker 4: health insurance and I.

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Speaker 4: So we've established that for this six foot nine frame,

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Speaker 4: I need that health insurance. But I think what I

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Speaker 4: like about it. I mean, I'm lucky I get to

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Speaker 4: go out there. I'm not a journalist, I'm a comedian,

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Speaker 4: so I get to push, I get to ask follow ups,

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Speaker 4: I get to cavort and try to find something that reveals. Right, Like,

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Speaker 4: my job out there isn't to convince people of one

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Speaker 4: find something that is revealing. Like for this special, we

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Speaker 4: talk to a kid. And I always find it fascinating

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Speaker 4: to go to a campus and just see, like what

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Speaker 4: actually is happening. CNN will tell you one thing, but

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Speaker 4: Like we talked to a kid about like why he

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Speaker 4: about this this guy? And he literally articulated, like I

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Speaker 1: Why are they drawn to this? It's like that kid

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Speaker 4: He didn't even know that he's being somewhat comical, that

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Speaker 4: you're just memorizing ideas so you can regurgitate it, but

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Speaker 4: it's very human. He was like, he feels lost without that.

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Speaker 4: So for me, it's always always compelling to go where

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Speaker 5: It, and that part, in particular reinforce something that I

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Speaker 5: truly believe. People wake up every day and wait for

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Speaker 5: other people to tell them how to think and feel

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Speaker 5: about them. Of course, they have no opinion about nothing,

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Speaker 5: but they'll go online see their favorite person's opinion on something,

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Speaker 4: Man, I'm sure you guys feel this stress like I

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Speaker 4: remember when I was hosting a.

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Speaker 1: Show before the Daily Show.

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Speaker 4: I would wake up every morning and I'd grab my phone,

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Speaker 4: I look at the news, and I realized it was like,

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Speaker 4: the first thoughts I have of the day are somebody else's.

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Speaker 4: It's somebody else's opinion, somebody else's take. It's like I've

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Speaker 4: given no space to actually have an opinion on the

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Speaker 1: And I think that's very much the case.

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Speaker 4: And in fact, you can't compete in a collegiate space

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Speaker 4: So these kids aren't giving space to figure out what

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Speaker 6: First, I was gonna ask that not a threatening part? Yeah,

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Speaker 6: how many times have you been threatened?

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Speaker 3: Whether it's calls, people in person, emails, texts.

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Speaker 4: I mean that happens a lot, the emails, the calls.

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Speaker 4: There's been threats on family members, which would ain't is

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Speaker 4: not super fun. I think out in the field ten

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Speaker 4: years ago, I'm not going out there with security guards.

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Speaker 4: You know, you can go out there as a comedian

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Speaker 4: But Trump era comes in, people get more upset. Upset

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Speaker 4: Trump says like, you you're a patriot, fight back. These

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Speaker 4: they got pushed. There's flash bangs going off. They're like,

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Speaker 4: we can't stand here. We need to get on a train.

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Speaker 4: Like it's sort of the new reality. And most people

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Speaker 4: I talked to are great. They want to talk, they

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Speaker 4: are they want to be on DV, they want to engage.

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Speaker 4: But you have it now where people have been weaponized

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Speaker 4: like you can do something, you should fight back. These

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Speaker 4: are the bad guys, and all it takes is a

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Speaker 6: What's the crazy experience you that that you've had so far?

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Speaker 4: I mean JA six was pretty wild. I was up

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Speaker 4: there for Jay six. I was working on J six

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Speaker 2: I was out there.

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Speaker 1: I was out there. You know what the funniest moment

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Speaker 4: Outside of the hole trying to overthrow the government and

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Speaker 4: you know, crapping on Nancy Pelosi's desk. Outside of that,

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Speaker 4: I'm literally interviewing people. And we've been there before, and

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Speaker 4: we knew sort of like, we don't want to get

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Speaker 4: trapped on the onslaught, so let's stay outside.

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Speaker 1: Of where everybody is.

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Speaker 4: Quite frankly, we're like, where's the one place nobody is congregating?

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Speaker 4: And it was outside of the African American History Museum.

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Speaker 4: Nobody was going there. So we were like, we will

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Speaker 4: people to interview. We start walking, we find this guy

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Speaker 4: swinging a pitchfork and I go up to the man.

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Speaker 4: I start talking to this man.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's the guy.

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Speaker 1: That's the guy we got to make TV here, you know.

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Speaker 4: And that guy's got a pitchfork, he's he's throwing it around.

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Speaker 2: That still hilaris, And nobody was outside African Americans.

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Speaker 1: You know, where are we gonna go? Yeah, African American Museum.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to engage with American sins of the past?

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Speaker 4: Let's take a crap on the desk of the Capitol.

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Speaker 5: Refreshment memory. I don't what the hell was happening on

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Speaker 5: January sixth, before the insurrection. What was everybody there for?

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Speaker 1: Well, they were there to certify the vote.

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Speaker 1: A wild day.

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Speaker 4: It was not a surprise though, as a cable comedy show, like,

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Speaker 4: There's going to be something to happened here. We didn't

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Speaker 5: For the sake of content, for the sake of clicks.

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Speaker 4: Luckily, like my inherent fear got in the way there.

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Speaker 5: People at the Daily Show, and you said it a

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Speaker 2: Y'all say that you're not journalists.

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Speaker 5: Y'all are comedians when reality is y'all probably some of

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Speaker 5: when do you have an interview people at these rallies, Well,

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Speaker 5: first of all, do you think it's fair for y'all

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Speaker 4: So yeah, thanks for calling that out, you know, I

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Speaker 1: I think what we have we take it very seriously.

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Speaker 4: I don't see myself as a journalist, but I take

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Speaker 1: See to the show very seriously.

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Speaker 4: But I do want an audience to understand the bias

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Speaker 1: Far from it.

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Speaker 4: But I do think they could probably loosen up some

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Speaker 1: And I think as comedians we.

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Speaker 4: but we're working in conjunction with journalists who are actually

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Speaker 2: Is disarming? It is, That's the thing that a lot

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And at its best it cuts to the quick

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Speaker 5: You know, when you do something like the Maggot in

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Speaker 2: Get it, you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think I always leave it with a

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Speaker 4: steadfast in my opinions. That being said, I do think,

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Speaker 1: At these rallies.

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Speaker 4: Like no, there's a lot of complexity to many many issues,

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Speaker 6: Now, you said you want to bring peace in harmony?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 1: Is that true? Oh boy? What did I say? I

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Speaker 6: They said you want to bring peace in harmony? But

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Speaker 6: how was that? When every time a MAGA member comes

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Speaker 2: Bit, you know what.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I try to deliver peace through the lovely delivery

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Speaker 1: A joke.

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Speaker 1: I'd love there to be some peace and harmony.

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Speaker 4: But it is a constant balance of you know, I

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Speaker 4: But I often think the people I talk to I

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Speaker 5: Do you have a struggle with where satire ends and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think like that activist conversation is

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Speaker 4: I do think like John is somebody who always says, like,

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Speaker 3: Have you ever spoke with somebody where you actually changed

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Speaker 4: No, okay, I do tell a story, though it doesn't

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Speaker 4: And he's like, do you want to talk? And of

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Speaker 4: But he is remarkably open about the things he's unsure

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Speaker 4: He wishes Donald Trump didn't go on and on about

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Speaker 4: You can't say that in front of the camera. He

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Speaker 4: like to think that the handlebar mussage guy who dresses

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Speaker 1: Like we literally we laugh.

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Speaker 4: Somebody recognizes me as we're talking and ask for a

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Speaker 4: He's open to all of this stuff. We talk all

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Speaker 4: that's it right there, Like you're not intimidated by me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not so offended that I made a joke.

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Speaker 2: You laugh.

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Speaker 4: It's humor, it's disarming, and it's for most of the

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Speaker 4: people who I'm friends with, even who I disagree with.

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Speaker 1: You find things you can laugh at.

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Speaker 4: And that happens all off camera, and I'm not entering

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Speaker 4: that conversation to try to change his mind.

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Speaker 1: That's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: But I'm entering it with like an amount of uncertainty

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Speaker 4: of like here's the things that I'm unsure about what

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Speaker 4: the left says or or here's things that I think

455
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Speaker 4: are okay about what Trump does. And he's like, here's

456
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Speaker 4: things that I doubt about what Trump does. Like, oh,

457
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Speaker 4: there's there's the human behind that, even in the caricature

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Speaker 4: of a guy from the Daily Show mixed with the

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Speaker 4: caricature of a person from the Trump universe, Like they

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Speaker 4: can talk, they can meet somewhere of an understanding, and

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Speaker 4: usually it's it's freaking away from those cameras in a

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Speaker 4: Green Bay airport. You think you're a character, Well, in

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Speaker 4: that moment, I think he sees me as a caricature.

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Speaker 4: I bet he sees me as somebody who was like,

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Speaker 4: you're on this show that I see as a progressive

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Speaker 4: leaning shows as a comedy guy.

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Speaker 1: But I think I have a.

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Speaker 4: I have an agenda, and I have a bias as

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Speaker 4: I think everybody should see people on their their screens

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Speaker 4: as having those things, and I, you know, my agenda

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Speaker 4: feels right to me. I'm looking for comedy and hypocrisy.

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Speaker 4: But I'm sure he's like, oh, this guy is just

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Speaker 4: going to try to twist me into progressive loopholes.

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Speaker 5: I remember they when you had you Late Night Show,

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Speaker 5: didn't they have you playing a character of like a

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Speaker 5: conservative right one.

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Speaker 4: I was playing like an Alex Jones style right wing character,

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Speaker 4: And so that that was And at that time too,

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Speaker 4: it was like Info Wars was so huge and and

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Speaker 4: the conspiracy mindset, which thankfully is gone.

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Speaker 1: Completely away, we don't see it anymore.

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Speaker 4: But that that was me playing a caricature to find

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Speaker 4: humor in going over the top. Quite frankly, as comedy

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Speaker 4: has evolved and the politics situation has evolved so much

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Speaker 4: over the last ten years, Like, I think that's still.

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Speaker 1: A space to play in.

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Speaker 4: There's still humor to be found, but I think audiences

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Speaker 4: are like so tired of extreme caricatures. You have one

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Speaker 4: in the White House that like, I think they're connecting

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Speaker 4: more with comedians on a more authentic level. And so

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Speaker 4: that's sort of in some ways where the finger the

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Speaker 4: pull stuff has come out of.

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Speaker 1: Trevor was big on that.

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Speaker 4: He was just like, go out there, you're not playing

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Speaker 4: a parody of a journalist. You're yourself, bringing your wits

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Speaker 4: about you and your opinions. Find humor in that, but

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Speaker 4: don't lean on the character.

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Speaker 5: Also, people are dumb, but they don't believe you. I

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Speaker 5: didn't know you playing a character.

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we had we had at the opposition. We had

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Speaker 4: Carter Page, who was a foreign advisor to Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: and was the center of the news cycle at one

504
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Speaker 4: point because people were wondering he was if he was

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Speaker 4: a Russian asset because Russia had manipulated him in the past.

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Speaker 4: He was working for the Trump administration, and he reached

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Speaker 4: out to our show and took a meeting at our

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Speaker 4: show because he wanted to work on our show as

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Speaker 4: someone He didn't.

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Speaker 1: See it as a satire.

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Speaker 4: He saw it as an opportunity, which which was hard

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Speaker 4: for us to swallow.

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Speaker 5: Where do you think satire fits into today's media landscape?

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Speaker 5: But people numb to it are addicted or are they

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Speaker 5: still reachable to the understanding thing?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think what has shifted so much is

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Speaker 4: like the formatting of it all right. I think like

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Speaker 4: satire is all about context, and that's hard if you're

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Speaker 4: taking in seven second chunks on like TikTok. I think

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Speaker 4: it's easier if you have a thirty minute chunk, if

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Speaker 4: you have an eight minute rant. I think people are

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Speaker 4: drawn to comedy in many ways. It is like the

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Speaker 4: language of I mean, it's a language of humor, but

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Speaker 4: I think like it's the quickest way to get to

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Speaker 4: a truth. So I do think I think satire is

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Speaker 4: in a boom. I think people are drawn, but I

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Speaker 4: think but that being said, the social media landscape has

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Speaker 4: shifted the ways in which we consume all this stuff,

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Speaker 4: and that has kind of like it is made for

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Speaker 4: long form capabilities, long podcasts, and I think that has

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Speaker 4: shifted word comedy, lies and short form as well, which

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Speaker 4: is more about those soundbites.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the future of mag, what do you think

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Speaker 3: the future of mag is going to look like, especially

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, I think that I think Trump is such

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Speaker 4: a singular character that they think it can be passed

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Speaker 4: on and that we've seen no proof of that yet.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump has been famous his whole life. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know, he's reference in rap songs when I was

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Speaker 4: coming up in a way that was like he is

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Speaker 4: equated with wealth, and I think that is nobody else

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Speaker 4: has that, and so I think they're going to try

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Speaker 4: to pass it off. Maybe that's to shade events, Maybe

545
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Speaker 4: it's to somebody who's even farther right, But right now

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Speaker 4: it's still a cult of personality that he's going to

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Speaker 4: try to build around him. We'll see if that baton

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Speaker 4: goes anywhere else.

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Speaker 5: It's interesting when people say that, though, because to me,

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Speaker 5: it's not even about the individual of Donald Trump. There's

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Speaker 5: clearly a whole sty that is perfectly okay with him

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Speaker 5: doing everything that he's doing. So that is what scares me.

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Speaker 5: It's the system, Yeah, that is allowing him to exist

554
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Speaker 5: because they will allow somebody else to exist in that

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Speaker 5: same way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they've attached the system, and there's people behind it

557
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Speaker 4: who have gotten good at understanding how to use Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: I think this Project twenty twenty five the world of

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Speaker 4: Steve Bannon's like or like Okay, he's.

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Speaker 1: Going to come in here.

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Speaker 4: He's a singular character in his ability to charm half

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Speaker 4: a nation, forty percent of a nation.

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Speaker 1: I think that is hard to pass off. But I

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Speaker 1: think you have you have.

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Speaker 4: A conservative movement who has sort of lost any desire

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Speaker 4: to make a moral argument and just found a way

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Speaker 4: in which to attach attach their wants to somebody who

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Speaker 4: will just bulldoze all the way through. Who is about

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Trump doctrine is he likes to make

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Speaker 4: deals and he wants.

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Speaker 1: Whatever is good for him.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and if they can attach conservative things onto the

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Speaker 4: things that are deals and good for him, that make

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Speaker 4: him look successful and popular, then they will ride that.

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Speaker 1: And he has no problem riding that.

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Speaker 2: What's the moment?

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Speaker 5: Like a couple more questions, what's a moment that actually

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Speaker 5: made you emotional? Why doing one of your man on

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Speaker 5: the screen segment?

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's not to get dark about it all,

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Speaker 4: but like we covered news day in and day out,

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Speaker 4: and when I was hosting the show specifically like mass shootings,

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Speaker 4: like you're like, oh, how do you find humor in it?

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Speaker 1: We find humor.

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Speaker 4: But like when you are when it's your responsibility, Late

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Speaker 4: Night has shifted into a place where people come to

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Speaker 4: it to feel like a connection to what has happened

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Speaker 4: during the days. And we have such a mass shooting

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Speaker 4: epidemic in this country, and especially when I was hosting

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Speaker 4: a show where like what happened today, Well, the big

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Speaker 4: news is there was another terrible shooting in a school

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Speaker 4: and we had people come on and I've covered like

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Speaker 4: the gun movement with specials and in the past as well,

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Speaker 4: and I've talked to parents and I've talked to students

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Speaker 4: who are affected by all of this, and it's such

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Speaker 4: it's such emblematic of what is which is what is

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Speaker 4: wrong with country, Like most people just want safe, basic

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Speaker 4: guidelines to try to stop us, and there's such inaction

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Speaker 4: on a federal level that it's constantly infuriating. And so

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Speaker 4: as that keeps happening and continues to happen, like it's

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Speaker 4: it's it's it's so heartbreaking. Also as someone who has

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Speaker 4: a kid who's in school right now, it's so scary

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Speaker 4: to think of that happening to parents. And beyond that,

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Speaker 4: it's so infuriating because it's like the system is broken

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Speaker 4: when you have people who scream out from the rafters.

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Speaker 4: Eighty percent of people are like, we just need basic

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Speaker 4: stuff to try to help kids in schools, and yet

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Speaker 4: you have like a system of government that can't respond

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Speaker 4: to that like that always, it always pisses me off.

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Speaker 2: What's your dream, feel piece that you haven't gotten to do.

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Speaker 4: Yet, Barbados, send me to a nice place, a nice

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Speaker 4: place on a beach. I'm in Pennsylvania all the time,

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Speaker 4: and Trump rallies in the heat fighting with people about

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Speaker 4: whether JFK Junior is still alive, and so like, send

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Speaker 4: me to someplace beautiful, give me a puff piece.

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Speaker 5: So how do you decompress after a day of absorbing

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Speaker 5: conspiracy theory the ninety degree?

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Speaker 4: You know what it's it's it's booze. Booze helps real quick.

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Speaker 4: It's booze the NBA and.

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Speaker 1: Being a dad. I think that helps out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll tell them how they can see this special.

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Speaker 1: They can.

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Speaker 4: They can check it out on Paramount Plus or YouTube.

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Speaker 4: It's up on both those places right now.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Fingers the Pulse Maga the Next Generation on The Daily's YouTube,

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Speaker 3: Jordan Klepper Lately Shows YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much for joining us, Thanks

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Speaker 2: for having us. Gus.

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Speaker 6: The Breakfast Club is Jordan Clipper.

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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up Earth in the morning.

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