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Speaker 2: You want on them?

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Speaker 1: And again, it's the age of authenticity, it's the age

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Speaker 1: And believe me, people around me have been like, shut up,

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Speaker 1: Why do I have a daughter? Why was I born?

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Speaker 1: I have to have my own grown ass opinion. I

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