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Speaker 1: Le's get right into lines and times. This morning, I'm Spencer.

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Speaker 1: That's my boy Wes Logan. Wes is looking at his

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Speaker 1: picture in the UH in his phone.

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Speaker 2: What were you doing?

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Speaker 3: I got I got some. I got a whole different

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Speaker 3: conspiracy going on that that I'm trying to dig into.

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Speaker 1: So obviously, the conversation over the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: since you and I talked has really been about the

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Speaker 1: Bilge podcast with Chris Aldane, his wife and Bill Lowen.

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Speaker 1: That episode in particular, and there were some things that

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Speaker 1: I heard on there, and I'm sure you've heard grumbling

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Speaker 1: since that came out, and some of the conversations. Number One,

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Speaker 1: people talked about the label of it. It was our

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Speaker 1: rookies playing in the gray area. That lumps all rookies together.

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Speaker 1: There are some rookies that aren't involved in some of

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Speaker 1: the scandals that people were talking about.

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Speaker 2: People didn't want to name drop.

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Speaker 1: I mean the two rookies that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are targeting, or Trey McKinney and JT.

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Speaker 2: Tompkins.

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Speaker 1: It's like the number one names that pop up, and

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Speaker 1: then you have the other rookies. Now, are they doing

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Speaker 1: things that are extremely detrimental? To the sport and illegal

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Speaker 1: in the rules. There are some cases where you could

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Speaker 1: say that, like Trey didn't watch one of the videos.

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Speaker 1: He also came out and said that he didn't see

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Speaker 1: that there was a no wag zone because he didn't

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Speaker 1: watch the video. He ran the no wagg zone. He

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Speaker 1: got called out by somebody. I think Swindle may have

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Speaker 1: said something to him, m M, because he's the one

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Speaker 1: that protested, right, Swindle ultimately protested.

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Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't necessarily a protest. He was Swindle knew

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Speaker 3: he broke the rule and had to turn him in it.

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Speaker 3: I guess you would technically call it a protest. But like,

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Speaker 3: but that's the reality. If Jerald sees him or sees

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Speaker 3: anybody break a rule, it ain't like he singled out Trey.

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Speaker 3: Like he saw Trey break the rule, Gerald has to

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Speaker 3: report him. If Cherald doesn't report him and Trey figured

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Speaker 3: they find out Trey did break the rule and Swindle

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Speaker 3: saw him and Swindle didn't say nothing, they're both at fault.

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Speaker 3: And that's in your rules correct clears dry black and

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Speaker 3: white as it can be. If you angler briker role,

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Speaker 3: you have to report that angler or you and him

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Speaker 3: are just as guilty like y'all are guilty one in

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Speaker 3: the sign.

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Speaker 1: So with the whole tray scenario, like I've heard, you know,

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Speaker 1: the backstory on some of these things, and I won't

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Speaker 1: bring that up because that's hearsay. To be honest, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't there, so I'm not gonna bring it up. But

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Speaker 1: what I am going to bring up is, just like

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Speaker 1: you said, every angler on the elites is there to

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Speaker 1: police all the other anglers on the elites and vice versa.

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Speaker 1: They're there to police you.

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Speaker 2: Right. So after I heard.

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Speaker 1: The zeal Dane podcast, you know, I listened to a

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Speaker 1: lot of things, and I heard a lot of the

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Speaker 1: things that were mentioned. Zaldane said this, and it kind

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Speaker 1: of floored me a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Spot on, And you're getting beat. We're getting beat by

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Speaker 3: a lot of guys who really like their bass fishing.

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Speaker 3: IQ is somewhat lower, you know, arguably lower than than

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Speaker 3: the veteran get you know what I mean. So just

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Speaker 3: the experience you're getting smoked by by.

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Speaker 4: So much comes from time on the water.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I want to be rewarded for that.

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Speaker 3: You want to be rewarded for that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I prided myself on being able to catch a fish

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Speaker 4: that nobody else could catch because I knew how to

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Speaker 4: make or find that fish or making bite, whether the

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Speaker 4: conditions were, you know, super.

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Speaker 2: Tough or good.

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Speaker 4: Just I've always been able to figure out how to

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Speaker 4: catch them a different way than everybody else. And now

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Speaker 4: it's I just feel like everything I've ever known is

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Speaker 4: I got to start over you.

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Speaker 1: So here's basically what I took from that is that

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Speaker 1: a secret was exposed. Okay, if Bill Loan was able

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Speaker 1: else was able to catch his words, then the secret exposed.

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Speaker 1: Oh you were finding fish offshore and you just had

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Speaker 1: a way to figure him out. Now with Livescope, you're

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Speaker 1: can relate to the Zaldane thing where he's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: these guys arguably quote unquote have lower fish IQ. No,

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Speaker 1: they just understand another section of fishing that you might

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Speaker 3: I Q that if that makes sense. Like, so they're

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Speaker 3: really they're really smart as you know, breaking down this

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Speaker 3: These are iPad kids. They grew up with an iPad.

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Speaker 3: Like I was just talking to somebody the other day

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Speaker 3: Nokia block phone whatever, you know, the one you had

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Speaker 3: to type numbers in to make a letter snake. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and it would get longer every time you caught it,

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Speaker 3: seventh grade. And like the dudes that are that are

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Speaker 3: so good with this lives go. And there's some older

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Speaker 3: guys too, they're great with it, but like they understand

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Speaker 3: it and can break it down because they they've that's

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Speaker 3: what they've been doing their whole life since they were

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Speaker 1: Were removed from that, and I'm and I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say this song thirty because you're thirty years old,

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Speaker 1: you're not too far removed them forty one.

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Speaker 3: Years I'm with you, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, like when when I look at one your social

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Speaker 1: media game, your social media game is above and beyond

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Speaker 1: what a lot of other guys do, and it's literally

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Speaker 1: you and your wife doing it. That's okay, Yeah, It's

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Speaker 1: not like you're funding this big extravagant expense to be

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Speaker 1: able to do it. You're putting up content. People relate

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Speaker 1: to the content. They like the content. You do well

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Speaker 1: on there. You understand technology. These younger kids understand technology.

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Speaker 1: It's just who can dive into it more. And you

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Speaker 1: and I have talked about the ford facing sonar thing.

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Speaker 1: I have always maintained and will always maintain that it's

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Speaker 1: a technique. It's no different than being really good at

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Speaker 3: And when I feel and I feel this in like

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Speaker 3: commit yourself to scoping, like that's all you did every

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Speaker 3: every single day. Different conditions different lakes, different baits, different

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Speaker 3: That makes sense. So because you're gonna have the whole

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Speaker 2: You know, you have your own.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy, it's only going to play in a certain

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Speaker 3: a certain lake where the last certain certain exactly.

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Speaker 1: Where that bit could be going on for two weeks

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Speaker 3: Art you just have a lot more fish to work with,

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Speaker 3: and in multiply multi day tournaments, I think you have

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Speaker 3: a better chance to do well in single day tournaments

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Speaker 3: without using it then multiple days. Because shallow fish traditional

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Speaker 3: fishing habits, you tend to run out of fish faster.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so let's break this down. Though you're going

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Speaker 1: specific to a swimjig YEP Okay, so you're talking about

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Speaker 1: one bait on shallow water techniques.

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Speaker 1: Live scope is primarily a deep water technique. They can

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Speaker 1: can throw a glide. There's numerous baits that they can do.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with upshallow. You have to throw a swimjig.

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Speaker 1: The only primary difference is the visibility of how clear

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Speaker 1: that image is when you look at forward facing and

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Speaker 3: It's unreal, buddy, that's a whole different ball game that

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Speaker 1: Now the guys are figuring out prospective mode that will

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Speaker 1: I didn't know it was going to be named that way.

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Speaker 1: Our rookie's playing in the gray area, lumping everybody together.

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Speaker 1: that right because it was what it was, a click.

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Speaker 1: But it was a click obviously, and they got what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just people's right, right, and it did

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Speaker 1: But there were a lot of things that came out

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Speaker 2: To the majority of the field.

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Speaker 1: I know not everybody got it, but talking about like

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Speaker 1: a hard reset and tournament fishing. The end of the day,

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Speaker 1: you guys are playing high stakes poker table with five

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. You say, listen, I think that I can

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Speaker 1: do well in this tournament. That's the name of the game.

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Speaker 1: The game is to go out and catch them. You're

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Speaker 1: giving banks that you have to fish between. You got

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Speaker 1: to find the five biggest fish. If you do it

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Speaker 1: in fifty foot, you do it in five foot.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you want to do, right. I mean, I've always

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Speaker 3: said we were basically game one. It's just it's it's

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Speaker 3: and it's up to us.

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Speaker 1: Like we have.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff out of our control, but

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Speaker 3: a lot of it is our control mentally, physically, you

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Speaker 1: But you just happy to be the generation that is

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Speaker 3: All of that helped, like tremendously helps you catch fish. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: That fish's determination on whether it's gonna that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Literally, it's just this dous justly a bunch of flashing

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Speaker 1: But that's what makes me so laugh, makes me laugh

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Speaker 1: trying to do. You grabbed the ladle and you stir that. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Trey McKinney. Because of this infraction, he will not be

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Speaker 2: That's keeping everything square.

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Speaker 1: To put the guy who's penalized out in front and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: Here's what really bothers me about that situation, that one

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Speaker 3: If you're in front of a live camera on Bass Live,

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Speaker 3: this is what happened. I didn't And he was explaining

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Speaker 3: him like like, yeah, I did something wrong, but I

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Speaker 3: of it. I'm the bigger person. Oh okay, well, no, dude,

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Speaker 3: you screwed up. You shouldn't be getting thirty minutes alive

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you straight up in the media world exactly

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Speaker 3: Exactly right, But they gave it to him.

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Speaker 2: Like it's my point.

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Speaker 1: My point is is, if Lisa Talmadge is the tournament director,

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Speaker 1: thirty minute penalty or whatever it was, to make it

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, don't give him the time, Like

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Speaker 1: Would say is after these reporters that show up to

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Speaker 1: and you go what happened?

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Speaker 1: You know, and you ask him questions. But just like

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Speaker 2: All of it, right, I agree with you. I think

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Speaker 3: I really think it should have been Lisa's Lisa, and

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Speaker 3: I love Lisa to this. She works her butt off,

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Speaker 3: she has some hard decisions to make. She should have

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Speaker 1: Yes, because the media team there's two different things about Bass,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's separate, pass right, And I don't.

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Speaker 3: Think I actually don't think people realize that.

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Speaker 1: Contract is by Bass to do this. If if they

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Speaker 3: What and by by me, you say, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: Well it's not only that, but it's also the people

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Speaker 3: I just say. The mot people think I was calling

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Speaker 2: Good, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't read that, so I'm pretty sure nobody else would.

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Speaker 1: too many fish in my live. Well, but I got

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Speaker 3: You can twist it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can then handle it the way you want

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Speaker 3: That's what our job is.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Like again, like, well, I went back to any publicity.

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Speaker 3: He's good publicity. But them putting him on a pedestal

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Speaker 1: Again he controls. It's not his fault that they put

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Speaker 2: Hey man, trying is so good. Yeah, I'm ready.

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Speaker 3: but when I get through it, I'm gonna be rolling.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna slow down because I know that my Yama

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Speaker 1: mean dude, he's been taught and brought up like he's

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Speaker 1: What I want to do is I want to play

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Speaker 4: I don't get too wrapped up and like overgoing to

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Speaker 4: I've never been that guy. I've always been the guy

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Speaker 3: There that day.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like, Oh, well we didn't

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Speaker 1: This is what makes me laugh about that is just

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Speaker 1: If you're reading tournament reports on social media, does that

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Speaker 1: consider that you're getting information that other people can't?

439
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:40,399
Speaker 2: No?

440
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 1: No, because the reality is anybody can find that on.

441
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 3: Social media to the public.

442
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 1: So if you're finding out something through information or whatever,

443
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 1: just because Bill doesn't do that doesn't mean that it's wrong.

444
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,919
Speaker 1: And that's what I thought was so interesting about Bill's

445
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 1: take on you know, I fish the conditions, dude.

446
00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 2: I'm happy for you.

447
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 1: I think most people, when they get out there and

448
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 1: they realize the conditions are different than what they read

449
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 1: or what they know or what it was through history,

450
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 1: you're going to fish the conditions that day.

451
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I have the utmost respect for

452
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 3: Bill because of I mean, he fishes the way. I mean,

453
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 3: I grew up watching him fish, and I've you know,

454
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff I do I do the way

455
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,719
Speaker 3: he done, or he's taller, videos anything like that, and

456
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 3: if that, he's one of the best I've ever seen

457
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,919
Speaker 3: breaking down a place, Like if we just showed up

458
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 3: blind on it, like nobody knew we were going there, dude,

459
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 3: he'd be and he would be one of your top picks.

460
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 3: You better just to break it down.

461
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 2: But a lot of that is because of the years

462
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Speaker 2: that he has experienced. Absolutely do that.

463
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,400
Speaker 3: You can't. You can't. You can't take that away from him.

464
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 3: I mean he's been there since the start of the Elites,

465
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 3: like when it when when it started, Bill started, and

466
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 3: I mean he's still here, so obviously that says a lot. Yeah,

467
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 3: but I think Bill's take on it is more of

468
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 3: like way past the public tournament reports and the social

469
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 3: media posts, like it's the stuff that that's real behind

470
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 3: closed doors, like that's the I think that's Bill's more point.

471
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 3: I know what he said, but as he was saying it,

472
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 3: like it's it's not up to Bill to tell people

473
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 3: that they can't go returnament reports or watch YouTube videos

474
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 3: like I do that, Like I want to know see

475
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 3: men Bill men and Bill are like I talk to

476
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 3: him all the time, but I think different. I want

477
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 3: to know everything that's happened up to date as much

478
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 3: as I can legally, because just like he said, it's

479
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 3: gonna be different than it was last year, Well, I

480
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 3: don't want to like have a preconceived notion and know

481
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 3: how I if we're going back to back years, I

482
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 3: don't want to think that it's gonna be the exact

483
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 3: same when we get there like it was last year.

484
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 3: If the water is two foot lower, I would like

485
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 3: to know before I got there. I could, because that's

486
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 3: how my mind works.

487
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 1: I want to be I know, one foot seems like

488
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: a pretty big difference. How different do fish act when

489
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 1: the water goes down even an inch?

490
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 3: Depends on the lake. If it's a if it's a

491
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: more of a highland reservoir, i'd say like a Lanier,

492
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 3: don't I don't want to say Smith, but it would

493
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: be Smith. I just don't want to even bindy deeper

494
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 3: a deeper type deal where they don't necessarily live shallow

495
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 3: like they do. But it's nothing for a fish to move,

496
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 3: you know, two feet or ten feet off the bank

497
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 3: because it went from a foot a foot lower. And

498
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: if you go to the Kusa, you're so here's a problem.

499
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 3: Like we just fished the ab two one hundred at

500
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 3: Wis where you can have a flat reading up to

501
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 3: a bank. At Whis it's two foot deep for three

502
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 3: hundred yards. Well, dude, it drops ten inches. That fish

503
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 3: has got to swim, you know, seventy five yards to

504
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 3: get some water bike over his back. That's going to

505
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 3: reposition him big time. So it just kind of depends

506
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: on the lake. But if you're on a more dirty,

507
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: shallow water, flat flatland reservoir, it's gonna affect it a

508
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 3: lot more than a highland deeper. Not necessarily got to

509
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 3: be clear, but normally you got dirty or water. The

510
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 3: fish lives shallower because they can't see.

511
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Speaker 2: Okay.

512
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: So in the conversation that they were having on the bills,

513
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: they were talking about information, and they were talking about

514
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: how when guys are going through the open they're able

515
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: to get information. On lake's a little different based on

516
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: the rules.

517
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: You guys.

518
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: As soon as the schedule comes out, done, you're done.

519
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: Don't like you can't do it. I'm talking about to

520
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: the to the to the the second. I believe soon

521
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: as we see it, like that's it. Joseph Webster has

522
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: a house on Smith Lake. As soon as the schedule

523
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: came out for this season and Smith Lake was on there.

524
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 1: He said to his wife, he goes, I won't be

525
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 1: going to the Lake House at all, like not even

526
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: getting close.

527
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: And so but like, dude, You've got a great dude

528
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 3: like Joseph that immediately when he sees it, he was like,

529
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: I don't want to put myself in any kind of

530
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 3: position right to even be questioned on a rule in fraction.

531
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: And I was the same way at Neely two years ago,

532
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: and you know Will Davis was the same way last year.

533
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 3: Like you just we immediately get in that mindset where

534
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 3: you don't even want to put yourself even close to

535
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: having anything in question.

536
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: And with some of the information tactics that I've heard

537
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: some people do, like they they buy guides and they

538
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: send out their friends and then a monitor through Snapchat

539
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: like location services on phones, to me, it's gonna get

540
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: increasingly difficult for anybody at BASS or MLF with these

541
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: rules to be able to do it where you guys

542
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: truly have to use the honor system. And I'm sure

543
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: that's getting increasingly difficult.

544
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 3: So, as I'm sitting in your office right now, how

545
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 3: do you feel like the honor system is in the

546
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: professional fishing right now, Well, I'm not in it, you know,

547
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 3: like just on the outside looking in.

548
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: On the outside, look at it.

549
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: It doesn't look that that we hear about, you know,

550
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: as a casual fane. You know, there's some things that

551
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: pop up as a fan where I could sit there

552
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: and go, oh, that seems a little strange.

553
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: It's kind of like an odd idea. You're like, huh,

554
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 3: that's kind of interesting. But then you just like like

555
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 3: play it all, play it off.

556
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: No, but I get it. But until I fished a

557
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: place like Okachobe. If you took one hundred and four

558
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: guys and you put them in Okachobe and I was

559
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: somebody that didn't know anything about tournament fishing, I'd be like,

560
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: good God, look how big that body of water is.

561
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: Now, when you get there and you realize that it

562
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: fishes like.

563
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: A it's horrible because literally boats are stacked on top

564
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: of each other because it's an area specifically compared to

565
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 1: a pattern lake. But when I see something like that,

566
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: I go, I don't know those guys know, Like, how

567
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: do they know? How can they break down that much

568
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: water and be able to do it? There is a

569
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: part of me after tournament fishing where when you're running

570
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: around a body of water and I see you in

571
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: your a FC wrap Skeeter, I go, and I see

572
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: this little guy on the deck, I go, that's obviously West.

573
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: If you drove by and you saw me in my

574
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: Phoenix and you saw this giant, you'd be like, damn,

575
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: that's a good looking dude.

576
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 3: Oh there's a beard. There's a beard. I got it.

577
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 3: I got it.

578
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: So I think that that also gives up a lot

579
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: of information. So in my mind, I'm kind of like, okay,

580
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: I kind of have an idea of what is what

581
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: Wes might be trying to do or what he's trying

582
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: to find. Now, I would feel bad as a tournament

583
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: fishermen if I set a waypoint on where you were

584
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: and then you weren't there and I decided to go

585
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: back and check. I would feel dirty doing that.

586
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

587
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: I also feel dirty when I fish with friends of

588
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 1: mine and let's say we're running their boat and they

589
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: take me to one of their spots and we whack them.

590
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: I would not go back to that spot in a

591
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: tournament unless I talk to my friend and he.

592
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: Was like, hey, go back to Head's spout where we were.

593
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: It's almost like, yeah, there aren't any secrets on lakes

594
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: because of how good the mapping is, because of how

595
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: good the technology is. It's only getting better. But there

596
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: is that underwritten code or that that non discussed code

597
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,959
Speaker 1: where it's kind of like, hey, you don't do this.

598
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's like that unwritten rule of you don't

599
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 3: do that. That word the slick gets a lot of

600
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: grief on TikTok for talking about the unwritten rules, and

601
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: the average person I will read the comments and they're like, well,

602
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: if it's unwritten, why don't they ride it. I'm like, dude,

603
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: you don't understand.

604
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: The same thing in baseball.

605
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: Like in baseball being a baseball player, if if you

606
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: did something dirty to one of my guys and get it,

607
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: you're getting one ahead. But as a pitcher, it's a

608
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: little different, Like you know, you have to hit them

609
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: where you hit them. This is what you're deciding. Like

610
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: if you hit him in the ass, it's like, it's

611
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: not big of a deal. Just watch your mouth.

612
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: You bame them between the shoulder, blazeer or the head.

613
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: If you came into my catcher and you trucked him

614
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: and you're not supposed to truck him. You got to

615
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: give up or slide, and you didn't. I'm putting your

616
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm putting it in your hole exactly. You either, Yeah,

617
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna know. But it's it's like the baseball deal.

618
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: Like if you're up by a in the you know,

619
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: the seventh hind or something. You're not still and every

620
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: time you get on or bunt and trying to move

621
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: got out. You know what I'm saying, unwritten rules. It's

622
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: not like a technically a rule. It's just being a

623
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: good person. You find yourself having to say, I want

624
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: to talk you a dick move. That's the problem, that's

625
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: what you know. Yeah, in a tournament, if you're on

626
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: a stretcher bank, and maybe I fished that stretch in practice,

627
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: but I see the ear nose is pointing where I

628
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: want to go. You might not be on your trolling motor.

629
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: You might just be casually going down that bank or whatever.

630
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: If I jumped one hundred yards in front of you,

631
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm being a deck Oh yeah, okay. Even though we

632
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: can fish within fifty yards or wherever, the rule is, the

633
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: unwritten rule.

634
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: Is okay, I'm not going to do it.

635
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: And the other thing is if you pull up to

636
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: a spot like that and you see a guy coming through,

637
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: let's just say I cut you off. You would fish

638
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: that bank, but you weren't really catching anything. You just

639
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: want to see if maybe they would fire up. You

640
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: didn't catch anything on that bank, But all of a sudden,

641
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: I've been catching them on that bank, and I come

642
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: cutting through, but I see you're there. I may not

643
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: even act like I'm slowing down to go there. I

644
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: might just let you go because if you're not throwing

645
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: the thing that they want to eat, I'll come back

646
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: behind you and fish it. And if I whack them

647
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: there and then I see you in waigh in line,

648
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: you go, how do you have twenty one pounds? I go,

649
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was on that bank where you were,

650
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: and I whacked them. Then you would start saying, well,

651
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: what were you doing or whatever. Like you guys could

652
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: have that conversation. The unwritten rule is I'm not going

653
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: to cut somebody off to get to my spot. But

654
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: if it's in a tournament and the rule says you

655
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: got to fish within fifty yards, you got to manage

656
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Speaker 1: your professional relationship with the other ant.

657
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: Exactly and know whatever decision you make. And this is

658
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: not even in fishing, this is in life. Know, whatever

659
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: decision you make and that split second is how it's

660
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: going to affect on down the road. Because there's a

661
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: funny thing about ten tables. They're always turning. Karma's got

662
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: a name and she don't play, you know what I mean.

663
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: But I man, I do. I think there's some guys

664
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Speaker 3: out there that, like I've always prided myself on, regardless

665
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: of the situation or the outcome, I can lay my

666
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: head down at night and know and I've made mistakes,

667
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: I've done stupid crap. I mean, I'm a freaking red

668
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: Nate from Alabama. I'm not the smartest guy in the world.

669
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Speaker 3: But like I try and do the right thing. I

670
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: can lay my head down and I know I did

671
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: it the right way. But I think there's some guys

672
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: that that just could like it never happened.

673
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Speaker 2: But you know, this.

674
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: Also popped up a lot in MLF. And I don't

675
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: know if you because you're in the bass world, I

676
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: know you hear about this stuff. I don't know how

677
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: much you watch this stuff. But Jordan Lee was down

678
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: in Florida and he was on a frog bite and

679
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: he was absolutely destroying him. I mean, twenty five thirty

680
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: pounds a day. And all of a sudden, I think

681
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: it was Dylan Hayes pulled up and you know, they

682
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: had a little on the water dispute. He said, Man,

683
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: if you were here and you were throwing a frog,

684
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: you would have had thirty pounds a day, but you weren't.

685
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: So I have a chance to win this tournament. Just

686
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: give me a way. And finally Dylan was like, do

687
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: you care if I go down there? And he was like,

688
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: that's fine. Pirting somebody's spot in a tournament has happened,

689
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: I think a little more. It's become a little more vocal,

690
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: a little more well known in MLF. It happened in

691
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Speaker 1: Redcrest between michael'neil and Adrian Avina, and it happened in

692
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Speaker 1: this most recent tournament. The heavy hitters, but they do

693
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: things differently, like they're a group A group B thing,

694
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: so group as on the water, group B isn't and

695
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: then it flips. So how do you protect against stealing

696
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: holes when you're not on the water at the same time.

697
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: Well, I think one problem that MLF has is when

698
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: they have those two different days that somebody's on. Will

699
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: you know they've got all the blog coverage, the photos

700
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: and all this, And it goes back to that honor

701
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: system between the anglers, like, yeah, the rule is you

702
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: can't go look at the website or look at pictures

703
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: or videos or watch live all day. But I mean

704
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: you how you can see that? Who can? Who can?

705
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: How can you police that? It's a It's a honored thing, dude.

706
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: And and I think that's kind of what Jordan was

707
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: getting at, because I respect Jordan with with everything. I

708
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: think he's one. I think he is the best fisherman

709
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: on the planet. It's not even close. And instinctly wise,

710
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: that was.

711
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: Going to be my next question. All the professional fishermen

712
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: that are out there right now, give me your Mount Rushmore.

713
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: That's not even close. There's one dude on the he's

714
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: on he's on his own mountain. He's on Mount Lee

715
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: and then Mount Rushmore, Mount Rushmore over here. Uh. I

716
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: mean it depends on if you go by success, I

717
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: mean I guess it would be success. I mean it's

718
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: hard to argue the fact of Wheeler because the dude

719
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: does work hard, he catches fish, he puts them in

720
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: the boat like Nell does.

721
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: The same thing works hard ketches fish when.

722
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: Their team, they've learned to work together, and it's it's

723
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 3: become very apparent that they're working together. I don't care

724
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: what anybody says. They can call me if they want to.

725
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: They're working together, not not not breaking the rules or anything.

726
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 3: They've learned how to manage it on a lake and

727
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: both of them have a chance to win.

728
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: Is Pallinick in the conversation for the Elite Guys, Pawnick's number.

729
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: Pawnick is right there with Jordan. You can't do his

730
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: name that he's named the prodigy for a reason, Okay,

731
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: And and Jordan and Brandon do it the exact right way.

732
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: If you were going to write a book how to

733
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Speaker 3: be a professional angler, the first two names in the

734
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: book would be Jordan and Brandon.

735
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: So are we going to say your mount rushmore professional

736
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: bass fishermen that are active right now? Jordan, Lee, Brandon, Pallinick,

737
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: Wheeler and Connell.

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Speaker 3: From a success point wise, yes, But I don't think

739
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Speaker 3: that two of them deserve to be with the other two.

740
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 4: All right.

741
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with those names.

742
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: No, they're I mean, but dude, you got like Alton

743
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: Junior's been catching the craft out of them. I mean

744
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: all of our guys, like Dude, Christie and Hackney and

745
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: like you, I mean, dude, I looked up to Christy guys,

746
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: they're they're tomless, like Bill Bill's tomless, Danny Brower, timeless.

747
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: But if you look at if you look at AOI

748
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: from last year, you look at you're looking at stats,

749
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Speaker 1: and you got Trey McKinney, who's leading, who's leading the run? Right,

750
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: they could easily say, well, he hasn't had enough time.

751
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: I totally understand that, and I gotta put him out

752
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: of Mount Rushmore because to me, the Mount Rushmore is

753
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: the best of the best in the fact that they're going.

754
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: If Van Dam was still a pro angler.

755
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: Van Dam's on his own, but that's he just finished.

756
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: If we were looking at guys who have fished and

757
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: you were putting him on there, Rick Kluon would have

758
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: to be on there. Yes, even though he's a current

759
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: angler right now, he hasn't had the success the last.

760
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: Couple of years ago.

761
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, many seventy six years old. But that's

762
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Speaker 1: I'll be dead but I'm fifty six, like if I

763
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: won't even be here, So like, yeah, man, for sure.

764
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Speaker 1: Reality is there are really good anglers. And what I

765
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: would love to see is at the end of the

766
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: year you have the best of the MLF go up

767
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: against the best of bass top ten, top ten, dead

768
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: to head, that determines that determines your world ranking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for bass fishing.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you one thing. I think if you

771
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: did that, you would have one side that would be

772
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: all for it and one that didn't really want to

773
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: go there because they gonna get exposed.

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Speaker 2: We'll leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: It's lines and Times. I'm Spencer, that's West Logan