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Speaker 1: Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Is

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Speaker 1: a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We got lost.

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Speaker 3: Just say.

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Speaker 4: We got lost. Just what Becker here and we hope

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Speaker 4: you stay because we got lost. Just say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got lost. Just say.

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Speaker 4: Here's Bobby that.

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody welcome. I saw a really cool picture. It

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Speaker 1: was you and Kurt Gibson. Yes, I do remember him

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Speaker 1: hitting the home run. I was just old enough. I

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Speaker 1: remember him hitting the home run. Uh Dodgers was it

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Speaker 1: off Dennis acresly Dennis Acrius?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, World Series? And I mean it was my earliest

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Speaker 2: childhood memory of like a sports moment. It was nineteen

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Speaker 2: then I just remember him hitting that bomb, and I

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Speaker 2: coolest part was being able we got to talk to him.

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Speaker 2: and it was interesting. A lot of people don't know

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Speaker 2: Michigan State, was an All American, like third all time

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Speaker 2: played one year of baseball at Michigan State because his

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Speaker 2: But incredible story. And then the cool part was him

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Speaker 1: That goes down on my list that I get to

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Speaker 2: Right, College Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy, crazy story. How was that you?

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Speaker 5: He has a shot though to be the head coach,

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Speaker 5: But whomever lost that game was not going to be

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Speaker 2: My so not a great experience, is what you're saying.

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Speaker 5: It especially was poor because my in laws were with me,

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Speaker 2: Well, So now everybody's miserable.

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Speaker 1: It was everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like this weekend. Saw.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was raining and it was sour.

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Speaker 2: How about the turnover and college football at the head

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Speaker 2: gets fired, what is it, fifty four million?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he ain't getting all that.

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Speaker 5: They're going to get morality clause him and he'll get

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Speaker 5: By the time this comes out, I'm sure there'll be

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Speaker 5: like twenty twenty five million. You're right, though, because James

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Speaker 2: Years old, right, he said so immediately he goes on

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Speaker 1: Now, yes, everybody right now, I want to get ready.

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Speaker 5: It's interesting too, because again you have LSU number one job.

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Speaker 1: But there's a it's going to be a coach. U

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it goes Kent State. Then UCLA say.

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Speaker 5: College football is wild right now. But we are not

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Speaker 5: Do you go first this week? Bud Okay, I've got

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Speaker 5: my power rankings. Yes, I love your power rankings by

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Speaker 5: for three to two one, and they're not probably in

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Speaker 5: They are six and two, they've won four games in

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be out for a minute too,

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Speaker 2: That sucks, but he will be back, which is huge.

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Speaker 2: So it's not season ending, but that is a huge

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Speaker 5: Uh does great things that Sean Payton offense. That's what

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Speaker 2: And that really breaks the confidence of the defense. Anytime

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Speaker 5: And number four the Philadelphia Eagles. The reason I don't

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Speaker 5: It's I don't know the status of Saque that long run.

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Speaker 5: When he pulled up little hammy, yes, and as you

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Speaker 2: Especially for a guy like that. That is when he

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Speaker 5: The wide receiver situation there though, scares me a little bit, yeah,

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Speaker 1: It just reminds me of Randy Moss on the Raiders, yep,

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Speaker 1: Player number three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I will say that James Cook came out

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Speaker 1: Is he done for the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He just I think he just set the NFL

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Speaker 1: Number two the Colts. I don't have a number one,

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Speaker 2: That's a beautiful part about the NFL, and that's where

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Speaker 2: You're not playing the number one team from that division,

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Speaker 5: It also helped in your division. Kind of sucks you

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville, Mid Houston's even what They've got? Two three wins

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Speaker 1: And Jonathan Taylor is awesome.

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Speaker 1: For the MVP.

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Speaker 5: I don't think of running back wins the MVP really ever,

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Speaker 5: And he was sitting out and they're like, let him

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Speaker 2: There's nobody around the ball better than him right now

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Speaker 1: It's really cool. Number One Kansaity Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: It makes all the difference in the world because now

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Speaker 2: And Patrick Mahomes he's a magician. I watch him. I'm

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Speaker 2: just like, dude, how do you how do you get

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Speaker 1: I get nervous for his ligaments. He's been doing it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it never does and it hasn't yet.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm always nervous for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It sometimes the way and he's able to contort

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Speaker 5: I think too looking back, you know the play when

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Speaker 1: But I feel like he's.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was that play, and there was a play

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Speaker 1: Thank you, media, Yeah, you don't want to motivated. Media,

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Speaker 2: All right. Drake May has officially made himself in the

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. But he's elevating those guys to be better.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's a big part of playing quarterback.

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Speaker 2: But that's a big part of being a great quarterback

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Speaker 1: I don't know who one and two are.

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Speaker 5: To guess it's Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen are they

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Speaker 5: they absolutely deserve the Hey, we're gonna give you the

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Speaker 1: You're playing great, but we also expect you're going to

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Speaker 5: I think Drake May would be the guy leading it

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Speaker 5: right now if it weren't based on the history of

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Speaker 2: I agree. And if you just turn on the film

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Speaker 2: Then you've got Jiggs Diggs out there, You've got Austin Hunter,

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Speaker 2: Henry's playing Hunter, Henry Austin, I mean you, So you've

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Speaker 2: if say what you will about the Cleveland Browns, Cleveland

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Speaker 2: Brown's defense is for real. He got sacked five times

437
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Speaker 2: in that game, and he just kept coming back and

438
00:19:15,816 --> 00:19:19,776
Speaker 2: coming back, and he just dissected that defense. And they're

439
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Speaker 2: one of the best in the league in my opinion.

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Speaker 5: My second point was gonna be the Patriots too, and

441
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Speaker 5: their first in the AFC East right now, shout out

442
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Speaker 5: Kevin you they have the benefit of what we talked

443
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Speaker 5: about with the Colts earlier, where they suck last year.

444
00:19:35,455 --> 00:19:39,376
Speaker 5: Therefore they get us slightly in theory better schedule the

445
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Speaker 5: next year. They really haven't played many folks, right.

446
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Speaker 1: Yes, would you agree? Yeah, because I mean we can

447
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Speaker 1: we can walk it back if you want. But let's

448
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Speaker 1: start at do they lose to the Raiders game one. Dude,

449
00:19:55,455 --> 00:19:56,775
Speaker 1: imagine if they don't won that one.

450
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Speaker 5: Okay, they beat the Dolphins, they lost to the Steelers,

451
00:20:01,056 --> 00:20:04,176
Speaker 5: they beat the Panthers, they beat the Bills, they beat

452
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Speaker 5: the Saints. The Bills wins. Good, they beat the Titans,

453
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Speaker 5: they beat the Browns. Man other than the Bills win

454
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Speaker 5: because I don't think the Steelers are that good. Like,

455
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Speaker 5: who do we have here?

456
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Speaker 1: Is it a good team? Kevin? Yeah, you watch them.

457
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Speaker 2: They're good team.

458
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Speaker 1: They're playing the Falcons. Falcons kind of suck.

459
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Speaker 5: They have a Buccaneers game coming up totentionally interesting.

460
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Speaker 1: They have the Jets, then the Bengals, then the Giants.

461
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Speaker 2: They don't play anybody that's great. Just keep it rolling.

462
00:20:29,936 --> 00:20:33,615
Speaker 2: This is a confidence boosting season for us. Just go

463
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Speaker 2: out there and keep stacking wins. I think they're pretty

464
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Speaker 2: good as well.

465
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Speaker 5: Listen, I think you know a Vrabel coached team, regardless

466
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Speaker 5: if it's the Patriots, if it's the Titans, they're going

467
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Speaker 5: to get better as the season goes, regardless of who

468
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Speaker 5: they play.

469
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Speaker 1: But yeah, they ain't playing much.

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Speaker 6: Can I just say one thing though, Like these defense

471
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Speaker 6: they're not very good, but they're blowing them out of

472
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Speaker 6: the water.

473
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Speaker 2: It's not even close. Those are like three score games.

474
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's over by the third quarter. I've been

475
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Speaker 6: chilling the last few weeks, been nice.

476
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Speaker 1: I like chill games.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

478
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Speaker 5: I haven't had to have one of those in a

479
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Speaker 5: while because Arkansas we don't get to chill much.

480
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Speaker 2: Sorry that we have You ever gone into a game

481
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Speaker 2: when you're watching Arkansas and been confident.

482
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Speaker 1: Ever, Like in the history of my life? Yeah, just like, man,

483
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Speaker 1: I feel good about you. Yeah, we play like.

484
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Speaker 5: The University of Arkansas Pine Bluff, or we play one

485
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Speaker 5: of those preseason Oh yeah, one of those games before

486
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Speaker 5: the conference.

487
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt great about those.

488
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Speaker 2: But basketball, yeah, basketball, I don't not asking about bastball. Yeah.

489
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Speaker 5: Football, Yeah, an SEC game very rarely. And I would

490
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Speaker 5: say if we were to play Vanderbilt, but now they're

491
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Speaker 5: good or Mississippi State, we're gonna play them this week.

492
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Speaker 5: The last two conference wins. Our last conference win was

493
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Speaker 5: Mississippi State. Their last conference win was Arkansas. So we're

494
00:21:41,936 --> 00:21:44,976
Speaker 5: both here fighting for the Mississippi State's pretty good team.

495
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Speaker 1: Uh, they've been getting close. They made Arizona State, but

496
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Speaker 1: they've been they know, they almost beat Texas. Yeah, and

497
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Speaker 1: Tennessee and they almost beat Tennessee.

498
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So my point with the Patriots was, I do think

501
00:21:56,096 --> 00:21:58,015
Speaker 5: they're a good team, but how good are they? I

502
00:21:58,056 --> 00:22:00,616
Speaker 5: don't think we know because you did win a tough

503
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Speaker 5: game against the Bills.

504
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Speaker 2: It's tough to win in the NFL period, both Patriots

505
00:22:06,416 --> 00:22:12,455
Speaker 2: Patriots indies the same way New England. It's not the

506
00:22:12,576 --> 00:22:15,096
Speaker 2: Kansas City chief schedule by any means, or the Philadelphia

507
00:22:15,136 --> 00:22:18,176
Speaker 2: Eagles by any means. But at the same time, these

508
00:22:18,215 --> 00:22:22,296
Speaker 2: are all one of thirty two NFL teams with pros

509
00:22:22,376 --> 00:22:24,735
Speaker 2: and with dudes on that team that you've seen week

510
00:22:24,776 --> 00:22:27,535
Speaker 2: in and week out, These teams that unexpectedly come in

511
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Speaker 2: and just blow another team out, and you're like, how

512
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Speaker 2: did that even happen?

513
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Speaker 1: I hear you, But you're all Patriots, And even our

514
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Speaker 1: guest today's a Patriot. I feel like I'm being outnumbered

515
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Speaker 1: here today. We got a Patriots helmet up here. We're

516
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Speaker 1: gonna have a conversation about We're gonna have conversation about it. Yes,

517
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm just saying, Okay, that's my second point.

518
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Speaker 5: Do I do think the Patriots are getting a lot better,

519
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Speaker 5: But let's pump the brakes on the Super Bowl contending

520
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Speaker 5: New England Patriots.

521
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Speaker 2: That's all I'll say. I just said that we're week

522
00:22:52,136 --> 00:22:54,656
Speaker 2: by week. You're looking ok, week by week, all right, mine.

523
00:22:54,936 --> 00:22:57,536
Speaker 2: We got the trade deadline coming up next week. Two

524
00:22:57,975 --> 00:23:00,176
Speaker 2: trades that I think would be awesome to see happen.

525
00:23:00,856 --> 00:23:03,856
Speaker 2: Bresee Hall out of New York going to the Texans.

526
00:23:04,376 --> 00:23:07,176
Speaker 2: Houston showed some life this last week and I liked

527
00:23:07,176 --> 00:23:10,336
Speaker 2: what I saw, so bring him in. Because Britece Hall's

528
00:23:10,336 --> 00:23:12,856
Speaker 2: a dude now and he's on a bad team again.

529
00:23:12,936 --> 00:23:15,016
Speaker 2: They could get some draft capital for him, but that's

530
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Speaker 2: immediately gonna lift Houston Texans up. And number two, I

531
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Speaker 2: hate to do this to the Titans. Do it since

532
00:23:20,656 --> 00:23:23,975
Speaker 2: we're unloading the whole ship anyway, Jeffrey Simmons to the Bills.

533
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Speaker 1: They just lost Ed Oliver, but they said they're not

534
00:23:26,215 --> 00:23:28,256
Speaker 1: trading him. They're like, you can call us for anybody

535
00:23:28,296 --> 00:23:28,776
Speaker 1: except Cam.

536
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Speaker 2: I know I wouldn't trade him either. I'm just saying

537
00:23:31,215 --> 00:23:34,296
Speaker 2: for the Bills, that would be a home run if

538
00:23:34,336 --> 00:23:36,176
Speaker 2: you can go get Jeffrey Simmons, who's one of the

539
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Speaker 2: most dominant in tier defensive lignment in the league and

540
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Speaker 2: put yourself in a position, especially with Josh Allen and

541
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Speaker 2: where they're at, and they're ready to go on a

542
00:23:45,096 --> 00:23:47,376
Speaker 2: super Bowl run. Hopefully to bring in a guy like

543
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Speaker 2: that mid season dude, that would be a game changer

544
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Speaker 2: for them.

545
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Speaker 1: There was a little smoke about Max Crosby to the Cowboys.

546
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Speaker 2: I saw that as well. That would be awesome.

547
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Speaker 1: They need it too.

548
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Speaker 2: If you think you think, yeah, yeah, I just watched them.

549
00:24:01,735 --> 00:24:02,616
Speaker 2: That was pretty bad.

550
00:24:02,696 --> 00:24:05,856
Speaker 5: That was pretty bad. That would be cool. I don't

551
00:24:05,936 --> 00:24:09,296
Speaker 5: really want the Bengals to trade Trey Andrickson.

552
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Speaker 2: Because you think that they still got a chance, because

553
00:24:11,975 --> 00:24:15,576
Speaker 2: right now the Steelers are leading the division with.

554
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Speaker 1: Four wins and I don't think they're very good.

555
00:24:18,735 --> 00:24:21,496
Speaker 2: Then you've got what the Browns and the.

556
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Speaker 1: Bengals, Bengals with two, and then you have Ravens have

557
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Speaker 1: two or three.

558
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Speaker 6: Now Ravens two, Browns, two, Bengals three.

559
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Speaker 2: Well, there you go.

560
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Speaker 1: I don't know that the Bengals can do it anymore.

561
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Speaker 2: After the loss of the Jets, it was a deflating loss,

562
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Speaker 2: especially when Flacco still went out there. They thirty eight

563
00:24:39,215 --> 00:24:43,536
Speaker 2: points and then the Jets come out there, in my goodness,

564
00:24:44,016 --> 00:24:45,975
Speaker 2: just start scoring.

565
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Speaker 1: At will at the end, and good for Aaron Glenn.

566
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Aaron Glenn, justin Fields. I mean what he's been through.

567
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Speaker 2: When the owner comes out and says, look, anybody would

568
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Speaker 2: have that result if you have the quarterback play that

569
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Speaker 2: we've had. That really puts a vote of confidence into

570
00:25:00,215 --> 00:25:02,456
Speaker 2: the quarterback that you brought in to be your guy

571
00:25:02,536 --> 00:25:04,376
Speaker 2: this year. And then to go out and he was

572
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Speaker 2: super vulnerable. You saw the press conference after when he

573
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Speaker 2: said he was well. He said he was crying in

574
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Speaker 2: the closet during the week and he had to pray

575
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Speaker 2: and he sat down and why why am I going

576
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Speaker 2: through this? But then to have the game that he did,

577
00:25:16,616 --> 00:25:19,215
Speaker 2: he looked outstanding and he's just coming back for more,

578
00:25:19,296 --> 00:25:20,856
Speaker 2: coming back for more, and stuck in the game and

579
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Speaker 2: then went out and ended up beating the Bengals even

580
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Speaker 2: though they who had a pretty pretty steady lead there.

581
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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Bengals offense as usual did it. Bengals defense

582
00:25:31,856 --> 00:25:35,456
Speaker 5: as usual did not, did not do it. So yeah,

583
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Speaker 5: I'm with you there, I gotta get it done. It

584
00:25:38,576 --> 00:25:40,255
Speaker 5: was kind of sucky to watch this guy, but we

585
00:25:40,256 --> 00:25:41,096
Speaker 5: get hurt.

586
00:25:41,376 --> 00:25:43,496
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that was a brutal injury too.

587
00:25:43,735 --> 00:25:47,416
Speaker 1: Like, aside from the injury itself.

588
00:25:47,975 --> 00:25:53,015
Speaker 5: To see the Giants that were hopeless, like have have

589
00:25:53,136 --> 00:25:55,376
Speaker 5: people care again for a minute, right?

590
00:25:56,696 --> 00:26:01,215
Speaker 2: He breathed life into that organization, even for the fan base,

591
00:26:01,616 --> 00:26:03,215
Speaker 2: everything else going on one hundred percent.

592
00:26:03,416 --> 00:26:05,775
Speaker 5: The Giants weren't gonna win a bunch of games, but

593
00:26:05,975 --> 00:26:09,376
Speaker 5: it was fun to watch them because he's fun, Jackson dark,

594
00:26:10,376 --> 00:26:16,576
Speaker 5: fun and like even the New York, like the Nick

595
00:26:16,616 --> 00:26:19,336
Speaker 5: games when you would say Scataboo up, even like the Grill,

596
00:26:19,576 --> 00:26:23,255
Speaker 5: like all the stuff about them that was fun. And

597
00:26:23,455 --> 00:26:25,735
Speaker 5: so I feel bad for Giants fans just in general.

598
00:26:25,776 --> 00:26:27,455
Speaker 5: I'm sorry you're a Giants fan as somebody who has

599
00:26:27,495 --> 00:26:28,336
Speaker 5: a team that never wins.

600
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Speaker 2: Also, especially you think about the Giants, they also already

601
00:26:31,176 --> 00:26:34,656
Speaker 2: lost Molik Neighbors, which is a huge hit, the best

602
00:26:34,656 --> 00:26:38,256
Speaker 2: player by far. Then Skataboo comes in and you start going,

603
00:26:38,296 --> 00:26:40,176
Speaker 2: oh man, they got a little running game. It's he

604
00:26:40,256 --> 00:26:42,735
Speaker 2: brought an attitude of toughness to this team, and to

605
00:26:42,776 --> 00:26:44,735
Speaker 2: lose somebody like that, you feel that in the locker

606
00:26:44,816 --> 00:26:47,136
Speaker 2: room when you lose guys like Melik Neighbor, when you

607
00:26:47,215 --> 00:26:50,615
Speaker 2: lose guys like Skataboo, where you're like, man, these are

608
00:26:50,616 --> 00:26:53,256
Speaker 2: guys that we hope to depend on. But now they're

609
00:26:53,256 --> 00:26:54,816
Speaker 2: gone for the season. I remember when I was with

610
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Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs is last season, I mean last

611
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Speaker 2: preseason game. We lost Tony Miyaki to ACL. First game

612
00:27:01,176 --> 00:27:04,696
Speaker 2: of season, Eric Berry are starting safety ACL. Second game

613
00:27:04,696 --> 00:27:08,376
Speaker 2: of the season, Charles ACL. And it's just like you're

614
00:27:08,416 --> 00:27:10,416
Speaker 2: just trying to come up for air and process everything,

615
00:27:10,495 --> 00:27:13,096
Speaker 2: and you're going, man, these are all major contributors to

616
00:27:13,136 --> 00:27:15,255
Speaker 2: our team, and they're in leadership roles because of their

617
00:27:15,256 --> 00:27:18,696
Speaker 2: performance and also who they are. And you lose those

618
00:27:18,696 --> 00:27:20,416
Speaker 2: guys and you guys kind of pick up the pieces

619
00:27:20,416 --> 00:27:22,256
Speaker 2: and go, all right, we got to figure this thing out.

620
00:27:22,296 --> 00:27:24,936
Speaker 2: But it's it's tough to come back from a situation

621
00:27:25,056 --> 00:27:27,055
Speaker 2: like that. All Right, you're out last one. Well, I

622
00:27:27,096 --> 00:27:29,576
Speaker 2: mean talking about Sad, I mean jets O lineman Nick

623
00:27:29,576 --> 00:27:33,896
Speaker 2: Mangle passed away on Sunday from kidney failure. And I

624
00:27:33,936 --> 00:27:36,055
Speaker 2: mean I knew I knew Nick, probably not on a

625
00:27:36,215 --> 00:27:39,056
Speaker 2: very personal level, but I respected the hell out him.

626
00:27:39,056 --> 00:27:41,136
Speaker 2: He was a hell of a player, a guy that

627
00:27:41,975 --> 00:27:45,856
Speaker 2: anybody that went up against them had nothing but incredible

628
00:27:45,856 --> 00:27:48,056
Speaker 2: things to say about him, just because of the competitive

629
00:27:48,136 --> 00:27:50,976
Speaker 2: nature that he had. And it's just a sad day

630
00:27:51,016 --> 00:27:53,936
Speaker 2: because I think everybody around the league realized the type

631
00:27:53,975 --> 00:27:56,616
Speaker 2: of person he was and in addition to that, the

632
00:27:56,656 --> 00:27:59,496
Speaker 2: type of player he was. So he was lost too soon.

633
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Speaker 2: So Mike condolences go out to him as family and

634
00:28:02,136 --> 00:28:02,816
Speaker 2: everybody else.

635
00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:07,056
Speaker 1: One other thing I wanted to mention we had nominated

636
00:28:07,096 --> 00:28:07,816
Speaker 1: for an award?

637
00:28:08,136 --> 00:28:12,176
Speaker 2: Did we? Yeah? Yeah, we did MTV Award.

638
00:28:13,576 --> 00:28:15,336
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's a moon Man,

639
00:28:16,776 --> 00:28:18,975
Speaker 1: but I did put it here best Hug.

640
00:28:19,656 --> 00:28:23,736
Speaker 5: So we were nominated for Yeah, that's just you. That's

641
00:28:23,816 --> 00:28:27,936
Speaker 5: not even enough thing. We were nominated for a podcast award,

642
00:28:28,176 --> 00:28:31,656
Speaker 5: and it's the ASTRA Podcast Awards Best Sports Podcast.

643
00:28:32,056 --> 00:28:35,176
Speaker 1: And we're up again. Pardon my take, New Heights busting

644
00:28:35,256 --> 00:28:36,776
Speaker 1: with the Boys, and I sid lots to say.

645
00:28:36,856 --> 00:28:38,376
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good company right there.

646
00:28:39,016 --> 00:28:41,096
Speaker 5: Yes, and I'd like to say, first of all, we

647
00:28:41,256 --> 00:28:43,496
Speaker 5: humbly except your nomination.

648
00:28:44,416 --> 00:28:44,696
Speaker 2: Yes.

649
00:28:44,896 --> 00:28:49,736
Speaker 5: Secondly, I never heard of this award I have.

650
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Speaker 2: It is something that when I set out on this

651
00:28:53,216 --> 00:28:57,536
Speaker 2: journey for podcasting, it was one of the goals that

652
00:28:57,576 --> 00:28:59,896
Speaker 2: I had at the top of my list.

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Speaker 1: It was a cool image to share because the account

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Speaker 1: that posted the awards had a blue check mark and

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Speaker 1: it was called the Hollywood Creative Alliance. Yeah, and they

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Speaker 1: announced the Astra Podcast Awards, and again it's three massive

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Speaker 1: podcasts in our little startup.

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Speaker 2: But did have you looked up past award winners?

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Speaker 1: No, it's I'm pretty sure it's the inaugural year of

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Speaker 1: the first one. No way, yes, wow, even we didn't

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Speaker 1: even know we were nominated. I think Kevin found it.

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Speaker 2: You found it, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, somebody from the iHeart team shared it and it

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Speaker 6: was announced a month ago.

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Speaker 1: I think we didn't even know.

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Speaker 2: No idea.

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Speaker 1: So when did they announce the winner? Oh, I'm That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm looking up right now. They may already believe

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Speaker 1: it was on Monday night?

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Speaker 2: Is it a black tie event? Don't don't we get

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Speaker 2: to go and they have a ceremony, We get to go.

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Speaker 1: Up to La We didn't even get invited. If it

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Speaker 1: was two nights ago, No, no chance.

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Speaker 2: They're just announcing it right livestream.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a couple of nights ago. You could go,

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Speaker 6: but you had to pay your own way there.

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Speaker 1: Well, did we win? I'm trying to find right. I

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Speaker 1: would imagine we didn't.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine maybe not, but maybe.

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Speaker 1: So there's no way anything beats New Heights. They got

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Speaker 1: the Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Swift, Yeah, they got the album Break. Yeah. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: had Bill Murray on. It was pretty funny.

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Speaker 1: Did those two come to you back to back? Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift's album Break and Bill Murray Yeah, those are the

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Speaker 1: two reasons.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were nominated for that award. And we're looking

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Speaker 1: at Kevin to see if he finds finish unless he

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Speaker 1: like pulls a trophy out from under the table like

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Speaker 1: this is how he tells you.

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Speaker 2: It's a spittoon.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well you let us know, and yeah I will.

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Speaker 6: I'm feeling because it's so hard to find. That's not

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Speaker 6: a good sign.

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Speaker 1: Yeah about anything. Yeah uh, but we are honored to

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Speaker 1: be an Astro no Astra Award nominee.

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Speaker 5: Colts at Steelers. Colts are going to Pittsburgh. What do

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Speaker 2: I'm going with the Colts. Man, I'm going to ride

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Speaker 2: the hot hand, I mean Steelers. I like the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: at the same time, I just think the Colts run game,

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Speaker 2: Colts offense. I also like the way their defense is playing,

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Speaker 2: so I'm going Colts.

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Speaker 5: I'm a believer in the Colts too, but the fact

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Speaker 5: that they're seven and one, right, this is the NFL,

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Speaker 5: where every team can get beat by a mid to

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Speaker 5: Pittsburgh's time to win. I don't think that losing to

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Speaker 5: Green Bay sits well with Rogers.

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Speaker 2: No, it didn't.

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Speaker 1: I think they're playing in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: I'm going with the steel I don't believe in the Steelers,

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Speaker 5: but I think the Colts. I'm just playing the odds here.

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Speaker 5: Of eventually these teams in the NFL have to lose.

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Speaker 5: The only team not to have to lose is well

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Speaker 5: you guys until you lost in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah remember that?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I did remember that. Thanks for bringing that up.

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Speaker 2: An lose, I go with the steel again.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. Chiefs minus point and a half at the Bills.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. The Chiefs are a favorite in Buffalo. Anybody

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Speaker 1: else think that's wild? Like they know something we don't. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe the Chiefs are a favorite in Buffalo.

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Speaker 6: Vegas thinks they're back to the Chiefs too.

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Speaker 1: I guess we got.

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Speaker 2: Mmm, Buffalo at home. Chiefs are playing so.

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Speaker 1: Well, Buffalo does win these games in season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go with Buffalo at home.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a toss up. I mean, you can

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Speaker 2: flip a coin. I could definitely change my mind, but

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Speaker 2: right now I'm going with the with the Bills at home.

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen, big night.

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Speaker 1: I'm going chief Patrick Mahomes big night.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair.

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Speaker 5: Battle of the Big Nights sounds like big nights Broncos

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Speaker 5: at Texans. Texans point in a half favor.

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Speaker 2: They are in Houston, Texans are a point and a

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Speaker 2: I'm definitely going with the Broncos.

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Speaker 5: How do you say you're going with the Texans then

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Speaker 5: you say you're definitely going with the Broncos Like it

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Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna go with the Broncos.

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Speaker 2: I'm going with the Broncos. I just think their defense

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Speaker 2: And I think the Broncos are going to be okay.

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Speaker 2: Who we thought? New Heights?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Does it say by any chance we came in fourth?

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Speaker 2: It does not, just says the other we could be second.

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Speaker 5: Right, So congratulations we got edged by New Heights.

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Speaker 2: Shocking, shocking.

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Speaker 1: We'll get them next year.

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Speaker 2: We're coming for you.

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Speaker 1: Do you see a picture, by any chance of the

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Speaker 6: I haven't found that yet.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why I think that's on Monday, so that

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Speaker 2: Kelsey could get there the award for him.

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, let's take a break. Let's now go over

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Speaker 5: and talk to Lawrence Guy. He was honored at the

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Speaker 5: Patriots game on Sunday. He just signed a one day contract,

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Speaker 5: held a big press conference.

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Speaker 1: He retired with the Patriots.

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Speaker 5: What's cool is he was on the Patriots All Decade

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Speaker 5: team from the twenty tens. But as you know, and

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Speaker 5: as we get to in this interview, like he you know,

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Speaker 5: before he ever really caught on, right.

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Speaker 2: That's why I love about his stories. He's one of

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Speaker 2: these guys that stuck to it. He faced a ton

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Speaker 2: of adversity early in his career, was let go, was

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Speaker 2: on practice squad, never really found his place, and then

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Speaker 2: he all of a sudden, he gets the Baltimore and

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Speaker 2: you see him his game to go to the next

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Speaker 2: level a little bit. And then it's the Patriots that's

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Speaker 2: put all the belief in him, and he goes out

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Speaker 2: there and dominates there and really helps them through that

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Speaker 2: back end of their dynasty to go win a Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl it's an incredible story.

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Speaker 1: As a child, he was put in special ed classes.

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Speaker 5: He'd been diagnosed with add hyperactivity disordered aslexia. At Hisscalcula,

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Speaker 5: he found success in football in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: He played high school boy. He was a four star.

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Speaker 5: He was draft in the seventh round, and like we said,

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00:37:33,176 --> 00:37:34,976
Speaker 5: he bounced around from the Packers to the Colts, the

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Speaker 5: Chargers to the Ravens, and then the Patriots, and then

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Speaker 5: he retired with the Bengals. And he talks about why

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Speaker 5: that happened with the Bengals in just a second.

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Speaker 1: But here he is Lawrence. Got god, Lawrence. What's up man?

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Speaker 4: How's it going?

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Speaker 1: I have a question. I've met a couple of Lawrences

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Speaker 1: in my life, and neither one of them wanted to

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Speaker 1: be called Larry. Does anybody call you Larry?

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Speaker 4: It's such a good start. I don't like. I can't

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Speaker 4: say the reasoning behind it, but I will say it's

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Speaker 4: only a couple of people are really named Larry, right,

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Speaker 4: Either your your name is Larry, or it's only a

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Speaker 4: certain demographic where Larry's appropriate for short from Lawrence. That's

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Speaker 4: just how I feel about it. I'm not gonna go

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Speaker 4: too far into it. Me and my Coty twins had

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Speaker 4: this whole thing about it because the brother's name is Larry.

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Speaker 4: I meant like Larry for certain people, and ain't it

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Speaker 4: for me? I said, it says not in our DNA

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Speaker 4: to hear Larry.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, Lawrence, fair enough, Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you better call Lawrence here. He might come through

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Speaker 2: that camera and come sack you. H Lawrence, Well, congrats

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00:38:50,656 --> 00:38:53,576
Speaker 2: an incredible, incredible career. We know that you just announced

871
00:38:53,616 --> 00:38:56,056
Speaker 2: your retirement this last week. To tell us what went

872
00:38:56,056 --> 00:38:58,496
Speaker 2: into that and that was that decision difficult for you.

873
00:38:59,016 --> 00:39:01,616
Speaker 4: I knew when I was ready to go, and I

874
00:39:01,656 --> 00:39:04,736
Speaker 4: always tell myself to walk away, and I had an

875
00:39:04,776 --> 00:39:07,976
Speaker 4: opportunity to do that, and I was just like, hey

876
00:39:08,656 --> 00:39:11,976
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati, I said I'm done, and like it was

877
00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:14,216
Speaker 4: just one of those things that like you understand it

878
00:39:14,616 --> 00:39:17,456
Speaker 4: and when you're able to just go, you're able to

879
00:39:17,496 --> 00:39:19,936
Speaker 4: just go. And I said, I got phone calls and

880
00:39:20,056 --> 00:39:22,176
Speaker 4: say you want to do this and do that. I'm like,

881
00:39:22,336 --> 00:39:24,736
Speaker 4: you know what, I had to spend this time with

882
00:39:25,176 --> 00:39:28,816
Speaker 4: my family and joy. I was gone for fourteen years

883
00:39:28,936 --> 00:39:32,376
Speaker 4: training away. Because when you're there, you're there, but sometimes

884
00:39:32,376 --> 00:39:34,896
Speaker 4: when you're at home you're still thinking about the job

885
00:39:35,256 --> 00:39:37,136
Speaker 4: and not Oh, I get to shut it off. You

886
00:39:37,216 --> 00:39:39,376
Speaker 4: find ways to shut it off on those days, all

887
00:39:39,816 --> 00:39:42,856
Speaker 4: and everything to get it. But once you're kind of

888
00:39:43,416 --> 00:39:46,176
Speaker 4: sitting around being around the kids, you realize how much

889
00:39:46,216 --> 00:39:48,576
Speaker 4: you truly missed. And I already knew I want to

890
00:39:48,616 --> 00:39:51,016
Speaker 4: retire Patriot. It wasn't one of those things that like, hey,

891
00:39:51,096 --> 00:39:54,216
Speaker 4: what no, And I tell people if I had ended

892
00:39:54,216 --> 00:39:57,736
Speaker 4: my fourteenth year in New England that last year, I

893
00:39:57,736 --> 00:40:00,056
Speaker 4: ought to retire right there. But I wanted to get

894
00:40:00,056 --> 00:40:02,776
Speaker 4: that fourteenth credit ors to something that I told myself

895
00:40:02,896 --> 00:40:05,976
Speaker 4: it for years. And when I god, I was like,

896
00:40:06,056 --> 00:40:08,416
Speaker 4: I'm always going to come back and go doing in

897
00:40:08,456 --> 00:40:11,256
Speaker 4: New England. I'm blessed enough that No Newing and it

898
00:40:11,336 --> 00:40:13,536
Speaker 4: accepted me back to do that and honor me and

899
00:40:13,616 --> 00:40:14,456
Speaker 4: honor my family.

900
00:40:15,096 --> 00:40:18,136
Speaker 5: So when you mentioned that you were in Cincinnati and

901
00:40:18,176 --> 00:40:19,816
Speaker 5: you were like, hey, I think I'm done. Was it

902
00:40:19,896 --> 00:40:22,336
Speaker 5: a play a game or at the end of a

903
00:40:22,416 --> 00:40:25,256
Speaker 5: season when you kind of had that moment of yeah,

904
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:26,016
Speaker 5: I think this is it.

905
00:40:26,456 --> 00:40:28,216
Speaker 4: You know what I tell people all the time, I

906
00:40:28,216 --> 00:40:33,936
Speaker 4: won't be frankly with Cincinnati. I went to Cincinnati and

907
00:40:33,976 --> 00:40:36,536
Speaker 4: I'm like this is how y'all doing here? And again

908
00:40:36,576 --> 00:40:42,536
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, okay, I get it. I've heard and

909
00:40:42,936 --> 00:40:45,856
Speaker 4: I never thought in my life I want to experience

910
00:40:45,856 --> 00:40:49,855
Speaker 4: something like that ever again. And coming from New England, look,

911
00:40:50,056 --> 00:40:52,896
Speaker 4: the athlete is first. In New England, they make sure

912
00:40:52,976 --> 00:40:55,136
Speaker 4: we are taking care of, to make sure the family's

913
00:40:55,176 --> 00:40:57,416
Speaker 4: taken care of, and we never might not get the

914
00:40:57,456 --> 00:41:00,856
Speaker 4: best seats for family section, but you're well taken care of,

915
00:41:00,936 --> 00:41:03,656
Speaker 4: your well respected. And when I was in Cincinnati, I's

916
00:41:03,696 --> 00:41:06,256
Speaker 4: like you're on your the second hand of it. It's

917
00:41:06,296 --> 00:41:07,976
Speaker 4: like it's not like you come first, and like you know,

918
00:41:08,056 --> 00:41:12,016
Speaker 4: you come second and everything else. And and at my age,

919
00:41:12,176 --> 00:41:15,536
Speaker 4: I've going in there thirty four, coming in there, going

920
00:41:15,536 --> 00:41:21,696
Speaker 4: into week three, I didn't appreciate the effort and the

921
00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:24,256
Speaker 4: love for the game that it should have been put

922
00:41:24,296 --> 00:41:27,176
Speaker 4: in with that team at that moment. I can't speak

923
00:41:27,216 --> 00:41:28,856
Speaker 4: to what they're doing now, but at that moment, with

924
00:41:28,896 --> 00:41:31,496
Speaker 4: the coaches that they have, and when I was experiencing

925
00:41:31,616 --> 00:41:35,176
Speaker 4: out there like like this this, I'm good like I'm

926
00:41:35,256 --> 00:41:37,096
Speaker 4: and I went in there straight off the back look

927
00:41:37,176 --> 00:41:39,576
Speaker 4: the young guys looking at me, giving the advice, saying

928
00:41:39,576 --> 00:41:42,456
Speaker 4: what can I do for you? Anything I can. And

929
00:41:42,496 --> 00:41:45,616
Speaker 4: when you realize, hey, not everybody or every situation that's

930
00:41:45,656 --> 00:41:47,416
Speaker 4: the same as what you're what you've been used to,

931
00:41:47,856 --> 00:41:50,376
Speaker 4: you kind of get an idea like, okay, I get it.

932
00:41:50,576 --> 00:41:53,736
Speaker 4: And look, I kept it quiet for a while about

933
00:41:53,776 --> 00:41:56,816
Speaker 4: my experiences in Cincinnati, and most people love their experiences.

934
00:41:56,856 --> 00:41:59,016
Speaker 4: I just didn't have a good experience. But then to

935
00:41:59,096 --> 00:42:02,536
Speaker 4: get out spoiled, New England is spoiled. Let's just be honest.

936
00:42:02,696 --> 00:42:05,056
Speaker 4: It's just one of those things. You get food all day,

937
00:42:05,536 --> 00:42:08,816
Speaker 4: you get the best treatments you could get, like it's

938
00:42:08,856 --> 00:42:14,776
Speaker 4: a spoiled team to the player aspect of it, and like, hey,

939
00:42:15,136 --> 00:42:16,136
Speaker 4: it just wasn't for me.

940
00:42:16,376 --> 00:42:18,136
Speaker 2: You know, you talk kind of about the culture of

941
00:42:18,216 --> 00:42:20,096
Speaker 2: New England. I played in New England for four years

942
00:42:20,096 --> 00:42:22,296
Speaker 2: and I understand exactly what you're talking about, especially when

943
00:42:22,296 --> 00:42:24,456
Speaker 2: I had that transition to Kansas City. But you know,

944
00:42:24,656 --> 00:42:26,296
Speaker 2: we hear all the time and we a lot of

945
00:42:26,296 --> 00:42:28,896
Speaker 2: people in the media use it the Patriot way, And

946
00:42:29,256 --> 00:42:31,736
Speaker 2: what does the Patriot way mean to you? And how

947
00:42:31,776 --> 00:42:35,216
Speaker 2: would you describe that to an outsider from an inside perspective?

948
00:42:35,576 --> 00:42:38,096
Speaker 4: To break it down in that way, because when people

949
00:42:38,336 --> 00:42:40,736
Speaker 4: ask that question, I want you to look at the

950
00:42:40,736 --> 00:42:43,016
Speaker 4: person next to you like, hey, if he messes up,

951
00:42:43,016 --> 00:42:45,496
Speaker 4: what you make up for him? And in your first

952
00:42:45,496 --> 00:42:47,256
Speaker 4: mind and like, yeah, that's my brother. I'm gonna do

953
00:42:47,296 --> 00:42:49,896
Speaker 4: everything I can to make sure that he's good. That's

954
00:42:49,936 --> 00:42:52,456
Speaker 4: what we start going into the Patriot way. I'm going

955
00:42:52,616 --> 00:42:54,016
Speaker 4: not going to do it for myself. I'm gonna do

956
00:42:54,056 --> 00:42:56,336
Speaker 4: it a person next to me, the person behind me,

957
00:42:56,336 --> 00:42:57,856
Speaker 4: because they're going to make sure that they put me

958
00:42:57,856 --> 00:42:59,376
Speaker 4: in the right places and make sure I make the

959
00:42:59,416 --> 00:43:01,696
Speaker 4: right decisions. Even if I made the wrong decision, you

960
00:43:01,696 --> 00:43:05,216
Speaker 4: make the right decisions. There's been plenty of times when

961
00:43:05,216 --> 00:43:07,096
Speaker 4: I'm I'm sitting in there like, hey, bro, I'm going

962
00:43:07,176 --> 00:43:09,815
Speaker 4: to stunt this gap. They're like, all right, cool, get

963
00:43:09,816 --> 00:43:11,976
Speaker 4: in the film and I'm like, who told you that.

964
00:43:12,016 --> 00:43:13,416
Speaker 4: I'm like, he told me in the back to do it.

965
00:43:13,816 --> 00:43:16,736
Speaker 4: And we already had understanding that it was nothing there

966
00:43:16,936 --> 00:43:19,416
Speaker 4: said if it worked out, it did, if it didn't.

967
00:43:19,416 --> 00:43:21,216
Speaker 4: They knew they had my back. The same thing when

968
00:43:21,256 --> 00:43:23,856
Speaker 4: Patrick Chunk used to line up behind me, that's the

969
00:43:23,936 --> 00:43:26,376
Speaker 4: safety behind me, and I looked down and I'll never

970
00:43:26,456 --> 00:43:28,256
Speaker 4: forget I turned my head and looked down in my height,

971
00:43:28,496 --> 00:43:30,816
Speaker 4: I said don't worry, bo, they won't touch you. And

972
00:43:30,896 --> 00:43:32,936
Speaker 4: I'm only take care of all this. Just go and

973
00:43:32,976 --> 00:43:34,896
Speaker 4: make the play. And that's when it comes down to

974
00:43:34,936 --> 00:43:37,656
Speaker 4: that Patriot way that we respect the person next to us,

975
00:43:37,696 --> 00:43:39,656
Speaker 4: we work for the person next to us, and we

976
00:43:39,776 --> 00:43:42,456
Speaker 4: sacrifice to make sure the team was ahead and we

977
00:43:42,456 --> 00:43:44,976
Speaker 4: were going to win, because sometimes you could be rolling.

978
00:43:45,176 --> 00:43:47,656
Speaker 4: You look, in twenty nineteen, I was rolling at the

979
00:43:47,656 --> 00:43:49,216
Speaker 4: beginning of the season. I have a lot of tackle

980
00:43:49,256 --> 00:43:51,496
Speaker 4: for loss, a lot of taxos zero game. They looked

981
00:43:51,496 --> 00:43:53,456
Speaker 4: at me and said, hey, we need you to help

982
00:43:53,496 --> 00:43:56,456
Speaker 4: the team out and do a little bit something different

983
00:43:56,736 --> 00:43:58,256
Speaker 4: and it will go a long way. Same thing that

984
00:43:58,296 --> 00:44:00,936
Speaker 4: happened in twenty eighteen. They did the same thing, like

985
00:44:00,976 --> 00:44:04,456
Speaker 4: I understood, because it was an opportunity for us to

986
00:44:04,496 --> 00:44:06,896
Speaker 4: be good, not just me, but us as a whole.

987
00:44:06,976 --> 00:44:09,056
Speaker 4: And now we can start getting to the Patriot way

988
00:44:09,376 --> 00:44:11,696
Speaker 4: of I'm gonna get my lift in, I'm gonna go

989
00:44:11,816 --> 00:44:14,376
Speaker 4: get treatment, I'm gonna respect the person hold it from

990
00:44:14,416 --> 00:44:16,936
Speaker 4: that meeting. We're not gonna interrupt, We're gonna do what

991
00:44:17,016 --> 00:44:19,376
Speaker 4: it could be done. And if we did have a conflict,

992
00:44:19,536 --> 00:44:21,616
Speaker 4: we get dressed out behind the scenes, out the front

993
00:44:21,656 --> 00:44:23,976
Speaker 4: of the group, because you're never trying to belittle anybody

994
00:44:24,176 --> 00:44:26,936
Speaker 4: in front of your peers. But to the other coaches,

995
00:44:26,976 --> 00:44:29,416
Speaker 4: you're like, hey, we could talk about this in private,

996
00:44:29,696 --> 00:44:33,376
Speaker 4: and we could sell this because, as you know, in football,

997
00:44:33,536 --> 00:44:37,776
Speaker 4: we could get a little bunches, we could have personalities,

998
00:44:37,816 --> 00:44:40,496
Speaker 4: got the energy built up. It made no sense of

999
00:44:40,576 --> 00:44:42,656
Speaker 4: doing in front of everybody, because all you're doing is

1000
00:44:42,696 --> 00:44:45,496
Speaker 4: turning everybody's in. That Patriot way is pretty much is

1001
00:44:45,536 --> 00:44:48,016
Speaker 4: respecting the person next to you. I see you're going

1002
00:44:48,096 --> 00:44:50,656
Speaker 4: to respect you and you want to grow as a

1003
00:44:50,736 --> 00:44:53,256
Speaker 4: man on the field and off the field, and uh

1004
00:44:53,416 --> 00:44:54,335
Speaker 4: and growls of a brother.

1005
00:44:54,976 --> 00:44:57,416
Speaker 5: You guys won the Super Bowl. It was McVeigh and

1006
00:44:57,456 --> 00:44:59,896
Speaker 5: Belichick that Super Bowl. You guys beat the Rams. What's

1007
00:44:59,896 --> 00:45:01,136
Speaker 5: your favorite memories from that game?

1008
00:45:01,456 --> 00:45:03,136
Speaker 4: I tell people all the time me and my daughter

1009
00:45:03,216 --> 00:45:09,576
Speaker 4: kissing Lombardy. But other than that, Hey, who's the running back?

1010
00:45:09,656 --> 00:45:13,056
Speaker 4: Anderson was his first name? Oh, I forgot his first name.

1011
00:45:13,136 --> 00:45:17,056
Speaker 4: But Buddy came down hill and ran straight into my

1012
00:45:17,256 --> 00:45:20,056
Speaker 4: chest with his helmet and they all sat there and

1013
00:45:20,136 --> 00:45:22,296
Speaker 4: all got cheered on. I'm like, oh, yeah, you did,

1014
00:45:22,336 --> 00:45:26,016
Speaker 4: I said, bro, like he just caved. My chest hurt

1015
00:45:26,336 --> 00:45:28,816
Speaker 4: and then we just got up. But it was this

1016
00:45:29,056 --> 00:45:32,416
Speaker 4: little moments like that where it missed a lot to

1017
00:45:32,496 --> 00:45:36,376
Speaker 4: everybody because we were doing something and I was like, man,

1018
00:45:37,136 --> 00:45:39,216
Speaker 4: this hurt. And it was one of those biggest memory,

1019
00:45:39,336 --> 00:45:42,376
Speaker 4: like hey one, somebody stole my sat because I got

1020
00:45:42,456 --> 00:45:46,136
Speaker 4: I got tripped by Dietrick Wise. This phony funny moment

1021
00:45:46,376 --> 00:45:49,056
Speaker 4: like that. But it was a defensive game. And to

1022
00:45:49,136 --> 00:45:51,096
Speaker 4: be real with you, hey, when you go in there,

1023
00:45:51,136 --> 00:45:52,856
Speaker 4: you get to play low score. They're going to try

1024
00:45:52,896 --> 00:45:54,576
Speaker 4: to run the ball. What they try to do. We

1025
00:45:54,736 --> 00:45:57,376
Speaker 4: stuffed the run or run stuffer stopper like it is

1026
00:45:57,456 --> 00:46:00,736
Speaker 4: what it is. They stopped, you stopped to run. You

1027
00:46:00,856 --> 00:46:03,416
Speaker 4: get to see people make plays like Jason mccordy. You

1028
00:46:03,456 --> 00:46:06,656
Speaker 4: can see make people make sad column nois is one

1029
00:46:06,656 --> 00:46:07,776
Speaker 4: of those things that is great.

1030
00:46:08,176 --> 00:46:09,896
Speaker 2: Talk about the mentality that you have to have to

1031
00:46:09,936 --> 00:46:11,855
Speaker 2: play the position that you did for so many years,

1032
00:46:11,976 --> 00:46:14,096
Speaker 2: because a lot of times it's a thankless job. Like

1033
00:46:14,176 --> 00:46:17,576
Speaker 2: you said, you're taking on two blockers, you're you're opening

1034
00:46:17,656 --> 00:46:19,616
Speaker 2: up the scene for the linebacker to hit the gap,

1035
00:46:19,936 --> 00:46:22,216
Speaker 2: doing all those things. But talk about the pride of

1036
00:46:22,256 --> 00:46:24,496
Speaker 2: the mentality that you have to have playing the position

1037
00:46:24,576 --> 00:46:25,496
Speaker 2: that you did for so long.

1038
00:46:25,816 --> 00:46:28,456
Speaker 4: When you're a run stopper, you understand. For one, I

1039
00:46:28,536 --> 00:46:31,336
Speaker 4: thought the pass rusher for years, at least so four years,

1040
00:46:31,416 --> 00:46:35,016
Speaker 4: and trell starts pulled me aside and like, hey, brown Sacks,

1041
00:46:35,056 --> 00:46:37,656
Speaker 4: you got that's got like four and a half sacked

1042
00:46:37,736 --> 00:46:40,816
Speaker 4: last year. He's like yeah, I said, I'm averaging eight

1043
00:46:40,896 --> 00:46:44,616
Speaker 4: to nine sacks a minimum. He said, I'm a pass rusher.

1044
00:46:44,736 --> 00:46:47,576
Speaker 4: He said, you're a run stopper. I'm like, okay, well

1045
00:46:47,656 --> 00:46:50,296
Speaker 4: I for kitchen sis, but I get it. But so

1046
00:46:50,456 --> 00:46:52,736
Speaker 4: when that mentality hit me and I asked what the ravens,

1047
00:46:52,936 --> 00:46:56,376
Speaker 4: it was a mentality of that person next to you

1048
00:46:56,736 --> 00:46:59,056
Speaker 4: or in front of you got to feel that pain

1049
00:46:59,856 --> 00:47:03,056
Speaker 4: of you lining up being a run stopper because all

1050
00:47:03,096 --> 00:47:05,096
Speaker 4: you're going to do is get hit by two people

1051
00:47:05,536 --> 00:47:07,416
Speaker 4: or get hit from the side. They have to make

1052
00:47:07,456 --> 00:47:09,496
Speaker 4: sure that they're going to leave that game like man,

1053
00:47:09,576 --> 00:47:11,536
Speaker 4: my head hurts or man, my net curse. It's a

1054
00:47:11,616 --> 00:47:13,776
Speaker 4: mentality of I'm going to hit you harder than you

1055
00:47:13,856 --> 00:47:16,576
Speaker 4: could ever come to me, and make sure that everybody

1056
00:47:16,616 --> 00:47:19,256
Speaker 4: else is cleared behind me because my plays will come.

1057
00:47:19,576 --> 00:47:22,856
Speaker 4: Like I'm averaging forty five to fifty tackles a year.

1058
00:47:23,176 --> 00:47:25,256
Speaker 4: When it comes in New England, I was like, the

1059
00:47:25,376 --> 00:47:28,216
Speaker 4: place will come, but understood from my place to come,

1060
00:47:28,296 --> 00:47:30,416
Speaker 4: I had to make sure that person behind me was

1061
00:47:30,496 --> 00:47:32,096
Speaker 4: making plays. How to make sure that person on the

1062
00:47:32,176 --> 00:47:34,536
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage, but going to feel all wrap of

1063
00:47:34,616 --> 00:47:36,696
Speaker 4: me putting my hand in the dirt and getting hit

1064
00:47:36,736 --> 00:47:37,976
Speaker 4: by multiple people.

1065
00:47:38,576 --> 00:47:40,896
Speaker 1: You mentioned CJ. Anderson a minute ago, and now he

1066
00:47:40,976 --> 00:47:43,096
Speaker 1: kind of ran through you at the super Bowl, and

1067
00:47:43,136 --> 00:47:46,696
Speaker 1: that obviously hurts. I would assume what other running backs

1068
00:47:46,696 --> 00:47:49,056
Speaker 1: would bring it where you're like, oh my god, that

1069
00:47:49,216 --> 00:47:50,016
Speaker 1: dude is strong.

1070
00:47:50,696 --> 00:47:53,176
Speaker 4: Todd Gurley is like that. He was strong, Derick Hemery

1071
00:47:53,256 --> 00:47:56,376
Speaker 4: is strong. Marshawn Lynch, we all know what he was about.

1072
00:47:56,416 --> 00:47:59,296
Speaker 4: He couldn't piss him off. They used to tell people like, hey,

1073
00:47:59,536 --> 00:48:01,656
Speaker 4: if you make a good play, to say, hey, good run.

1074
00:48:01,896 --> 00:48:06,096
Speaker 4: I said, just don't piss him. He's go on this

1075
00:48:06,256 --> 00:48:08,856
Speaker 4: run through it. Mark Ingram was the same way where

1076
00:48:08,896 --> 00:48:11,536
Speaker 4: he put his head down and you're like, god, like, buddy,

1077
00:48:11,536 --> 00:48:13,896
Speaker 4: you just hit me. But other than that, you got

1078
00:48:13,936 --> 00:48:19,576
Speaker 4: those finesse players like Shady Le'Veon Bell. You know, it's

1079
00:48:19,616 --> 00:48:22,256
Speaker 4: just these certain players, even if they don't bring the boom.

1080
00:48:22,336 --> 00:48:25,776
Speaker 4: He's just like bro. I told somebody one day I

1081
00:48:25,856 --> 00:48:29,416
Speaker 4: had Le'Veon bell in the hole. He was at my ankles.

1082
00:48:29,496 --> 00:48:32,936
Speaker 4: I'm shutting off to my backside foot to make the tackle,

1083
00:48:32,976 --> 00:48:36,536
Speaker 4: and he jumps behind me and pulls back and runs

1084
00:48:36,576 --> 00:48:36,976
Speaker 4: to the gap.

1085
00:48:37,056 --> 00:48:37,616
Speaker 2: I was just in.

1086
00:48:38,216 --> 00:48:40,896
Speaker 4: I got yelled at on the sideline. I was just like,

1087
00:48:41,016 --> 00:48:43,616
Speaker 4: I don't know what you want me to do at

1088
00:48:43,656 --> 00:48:47,096
Speaker 4: that moment, Like that's just a teach tape of this

1089
00:48:47,296 --> 00:48:50,456
Speaker 4: is what happens when somebody's super athletic, Like I can't

1090
00:48:50,536 --> 00:48:53,216
Speaker 4: do nothing with that. But when it came down to it,

1091
00:48:53,336 --> 00:48:56,296
Speaker 4: like I've been hit some good amount of times by

1092
00:48:56,376 --> 00:48:59,376
Speaker 4: some some really good running backs and end of my day.

1093
00:49:00,096 --> 00:49:04,096
Speaker 4: But I said that C. J. Anderson. He didn't run

1094
00:49:04,216 --> 00:49:06,576
Speaker 4: me over, but he put his head in my chest,

1095
00:49:06,616 --> 00:49:08,936
Speaker 4: and I like, I feeled this one. It's probably one

1096
00:49:08,976 --> 00:49:11,576
Speaker 4: of those hits. I'm like, hey, I feel this one.

1097
00:49:12,136 --> 00:49:14,376
Speaker 2: What about from an offensive line standpoint, some of the

1098
00:49:14,456 --> 00:49:16,056
Speaker 2: opponents that you had to go up against, was there

1099
00:49:16,096 --> 00:49:18,616
Speaker 2: a particular guy or unit that you knew, Hey, this

1100
00:49:18,776 --> 00:49:20,216
Speaker 2: is gonna be an all day sucker here.

1101
00:49:20,856 --> 00:49:26,896
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh. Yeah, Pittsburgh. The original Pittsburgh group a pounds. I've

1102
00:49:26,896 --> 00:49:30,216
Speaker 4: been on the way of Gilbert. It was like, hey,

1103
00:49:30,296 --> 00:49:32,976
Speaker 4: we're going we're gonna hit. And once you did it,

1104
00:49:33,096 --> 00:49:36,096
Speaker 4: like it was an all day thing. It was like

1105
00:49:36,336 --> 00:49:41,256
Speaker 4: that going against Donald Penn the other Poundcy was the

1106
00:49:41,376 --> 00:49:45,256
Speaker 4: same way, Like I got all the really good offensive line,

1107
00:49:45,296 --> 00:49:48,696
Speaker 4: the same with Toron Smith's the whole Dallas Cowboys office

1108
00:49:48,696 --> 00:49:51,136
Speaker 4: of ninety. Now you're gonna hit. I used to tell

1109
00:49:51,136 --> 00:49:52,496
Speaker 4: people when I got to New England and we were

1110
00:49:52,536 --> 00:49:55,376
Speaker 4: playing Pittsburgh, I said, look, I told Holy Line, I

1111
00:49:55,416 --> 00:49:57,896
Speaker 4: don't know if you guys played up here before. I said,

1112
00:49:58,016 --> 00:50:00,136
Speaker 4: this is going to be a long game like this,

1113
00:50:00,256 --> 00:50:03,616
Speaker 4: ain't You're going to get blindsided, You're gonna get hit,

1114
00:50:04,216 --> 00:50:06,096
Speaker 4: You're gonna be held. It is what it is, is

1115
00:50:06,376 --> 00:50:10,336
Speaker 4: the way you're supposed to play football, smashed mouth football.

1116
00:50:10,616 --> 00:50:14,616
Speaker 4: And I'll never forget. I'm running across the screen and

1117
00:50:15,016 --> 00:50:18,136
Speaker 4: my buddy Malcolm Brown was running and pouncy blind side

1118
00:50:18,136 --> 00:50:20,816
Speaker 4: of him in my face this boom, and I just

1119
00:50:20,936 --> 00:50:23,216
Speaker 4: stared at him like, hey, he ain't gonna get me

1120
00:50:23,336 --> 00:50:27,496
Speaker 4: like that, bro. And I looked at him like you good.

1121
00:50:27,536 --> 00:50:29,016
Speaker 4: He said, where do you come from? I said, hey, bron,

1122
00:50:29,056 --> 00:50:31,216
Speaker 4: He flew across my face and got you. I said,

1123
00:50:31,256 --> 00:50:35,856
Speaker 4: he wasn't even looking at me like that was personal.

1124
00:50:36,256 --> 00:50:38,336
Speaker 2: Did you talk back when you're on the interior part

1125
00:50:38,376 --> 00:50:40,096
Speaker 2: of line? Did you get after it with those boys?

1126
00:50:40,736 --> 00:50:43,856
Speaker 4: I said, I said something weird. And whilst I'm not

1127
00:50:43,896 --> 00:50:46,056
Speaker 4: gonna lie to you like I'm all in, I have

1128
00:50:46,096 --> 00:50:49,016
Speaker 4: a full conversation with you at TV time out, I'll

1129
00:50:49,096 --> 00:50:50,776
Speaker 4: talk to you, have a full conversation with you. The

1130
00:50:50,776 --> 00:50:52,736
Speaker 4: didn't gonna hait you in the next play or give

1131
00:50:52,736 --> 00:50:55,816
Speaker 4: you a little cheap shot or take out your hit

1132
00:50:55,896 --> 00:50:57,616
Speaker 4: from my guy, And I'm like, man, why did you

1133
00:50:57,656 --> 00:51:00,056
Speaker 4: do that. I'm like, I said, well, we're friends, and

1134
00:51:01,016 --> 00:51:03,576
Speaker 4: we're friends. It's okay, like we've been good after the game.

1135
00:51:03,656 --> 00:51:05,656
Speaker 4: But it's just one of those things you when you

1136
00:51:05,816 --> 00:51:09,096
Speaker 4: do it. It's funny, right because I had a good

1137
00:51:09,256 --> 00:51:12,576
Speaker 4: time playing the game, and I'm not one of those

1138
00:51:12,616 --> 00:51:15,376
Speaker 4: people that I'm gonna end you. I'm gonna do this now.

1139
00:51:15,416 --> 00:51:17,056
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have a good time and go take you

1140
00:51:17,176 --> 00:51:19,176
Speaker 4: out the next two plays, or I'm gonna go sit

1141
00:51:19,256 --> 00:51:21,616
Speaker 4: there like hey, man, i We'll running this te game

1142
00:51:21,976 --> 00:51:25,216
Speaker 4: or te game and take out your hit or like

1143
00:51:25,336 --> 00:51:27,936
Speaker 4: we played until the tackle on double teams. I'm looking

1144
00:51:27,936 --> 00:51:30,216
Speaker 4: at my OUs side linebackers like this by his eyes

1145
00:51:30,256 --> 00:51:32,736
Speaker 4: for like two seconds, like watch, I'm won't take him out.

1146
00:51:32,736 --> 00:51:35,496
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just clear him out, put him on the grounds.

1147
00:51:35,936 --> 00:51:38,816
Speaker 4: What we did at that time, Like I said, it's

1148
00:51:38,936 --> 00:51:41,216
Speaker 4: old school D line. I'm not talking about eighties D line,

1149
00:51:41,296 --> 00:51:44,576
Speaker 4: nineties D line, but those two thousand D lines where

1150
00:51:44,696 --> 00:51:47,136
Speaker 4: you watch the film you're like, oh, that hurt.

1151
00:51:48,096 --> 00:51:50,896
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with cold weather in a bad way.

1152
00:51:51,216 --> 00:51:53,296
Speaker 5: And so when a guy like yourself you grow up,

1153
00:51:53,456 --> 00:51:56,376
Speaker 5: you're playing Vegas, you play Arizona State, that's opposite of

1154
00:51:56,376 --> 00:51:57,856
Speaker 5: the cold weather. All of a sudden you're playing in

1155
00:51:57,896 --> 00:51:59,416
Speaker 5: Green Bay. I gotta think that's a bit of a

1156
00:51:59,496 --> 00:52:00,096
Speaker 5: culture shock.

1157
00:52:00,656 --> 00:52:01,136
Speaker 4: This sucked.

1158
00:52:01,376 --> 00:52:02,216
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was true.

1159
00:52:02,736 --> 00:52:04,936
Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you. I hate the cold weather,

1160
00:52:05,416 --> 00:52:08,176
Speaker 4: but co Weather team loved me. I don't know what

1161
00:52:08,456 --> 00:52:08,736
Speaker 4: it is.

1162
00:52:10,656 --> 00:52:13,136
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to run the ball again in that weather,

1163
00:52:13,216 --> 00:52:14,936
Speaker 2: and they need somebody like you to stop them.

1164
00:52:15,776 --> 00:52:18,176
Speaker 4: They said in November Deceummer, we're gonna start running the

1165
00:52:18,256 --> 00:52:22,336
Speaker 4: ball like cool, That's what it was. But I disliked

1166
00:52:22,376 --> 00:52:28,736
Speaker 4: the cold weather, and I'll never forget it was Corey Redding.

1167
00:52:28,856 --> 00:52:32,296
Speaker 4: He looked at me, he was like, look, I don't

1168
00:52:32,336 --> 00:52:35,136
Speaker 4: wear sleeves. I don't expect you to wear sleeves. It

1169
00:52:35,336 --> 00:52:38,216
Speaker 4: is what it is. We're d lineman when not offensive

1170
00:52:38,296 --> 00:52:40,976
Speaker 4: lineman offense alignment could look all that sleeve and something

1171
00:52:41,016 --> 00:52:43,336
Speaker 4: that we go out there and we showed it up.

1172
00:52:43,376 --> 00:52:46,896
Speaker 4: Are tougher. I did that for some years until I

1173
00:52:47,016 --> 00:52:50,136
Speaker 4: want to say, was a year niney year ten was

1174
00:52:50,176 --> 00:52:52,656
Speaker 4: in Buffalo when it was that negative eight, negative nine

1175
00:52:52,696 --> 00:52:56,136
Speaker 4: degree game, and I was just like, he lied to me.

1176
00:52:58,256 --> 00:53:00,216
Speaker 4: I don't know what he was thinking. I should have

1177
00:53:00,256 --> 00:53:02,936
Speaker 4: put sleeves on years ago, but it was one of

1178
00:53:02,976 --> 00:53:06,016
Speaker 4: those things you put. You put that vasilin on your arms,

1179
00:53:06,096 --> 00:53:08,256
Speaker 4: trying to clog your poor to keep you more. It

1180
00:53:08,456 --> 00:53:12,976
Speaker 4: was nothing happening. I'm like, man, this is ridiculous. And

1181
00:53:13,496 --> 00:53:15,696
Speaker 4: from now, I don't know why one of the teams

1182
00:53:15,736 --> 00:53:18,456
Speaker 4: don't love me. I'm like, I'm built for the warm.

1183
00:53:18,976 --> 00:53:21,096
Speaker 4: It's just the teams like throw the ball and warm.

1184
00:53:21,816 --> 00:53:23,896
Speaker 2: So early in your career you bounced around a little bit,

1185
00:53:23,976 --> 00:53:25,816
Speaker 2: were and had to grind right, and you were on

1186
00:53:25,976 --> 00:53:28,136
Speaker 2: practice squad and all that. When did you feel like

1187
00:53:28,256 --> 00:53:31,136
Speaker 2: you actually arrived and what was it that turned the

1188
00:53:31,176 --> 00:53:32,816
Speaker 2: page for you, the Ravens.

1189
00:53:33,216 --> 00:53:35,056
Speaker 4: So when I when I went to Green Bay, I

1190
00:53:35,136 --> 00:53:38,736
Speaker 4: got i R the first year, Then the second year

1191
00:53:38,776 --> 00:53:41,736
Speaker 4: they brought in two more people. Coach flat out just

1192
00:53:41,776 --> 00:53:43,976
Speaker 4: looked at me one day They're like, hey, I didn't

1193
00:53:44,016 --> 00:53:46,696
Speaker 4: want you here, and I said like, oh okay. I

1194
00:53:46,776 --> 00:53:48,536
Speaker 4: was like, well, and now that was coming off coming

1195
00:53:48,576 --> 00:53:50,176
Speaker 4: out of my rookie year, and I was like bro,

1196
00:53:50,456 --> 00:53:52,416
Speaker 4: I was like that, that's hard for a kid coming

1197
00:53:52,416 --> 00:53:55,216
Speaker 4: out of college here, and it was just something that

1198
00:53:55,376 --> 00:53:57,776
Speaker 4: was happening. So I got practice squad for for three

1199
00:53:57,856 --> 00:54:00,576
Speaker 4: weeks there. Then when I was leaving, his whole way

1200
00:54:00,616 --> 00:54:03,336
Speaker 4: mold changed. Oh we loved you here. He wanted you this,

1201
00:54:03,496 --> 00:54:07,376
Speaker 4: and I'm like, no, I I have witnesses of people

1202
00:54:07,856 --> 00:54:10,656
Speaker 4: hearing what you said to me and had to confirm

1203
00:54:10,856 --> 00:54:13,776
Speaker 4: with the older people, like it was messed up and everything.

1204
00:54:13,856 --> 00:54:15,736
Speaker 4: But so when I went to New England, I mean,

1205
00:54:15,776 --> 00:54:17,776
Speaker 4: when I went to Indy, I saw it was a

1206
00:54:17,856 --> 00:54:21,216
Speaker 4: fresh new start. But off was Bruce and I Chuck.

1207
00:54:21,296 --> 00:54:24,656
Speaker 4: So when Chuck came back, everybody that Grayson brought in

1208
00:54:25,296 --> 00:54:27,776
Speaker 4: kind of just love. Then when I came back, I

1209
00:54:27,856 --> 00:54:29,736
Speaker 4: sat for three When I came back. I went to

1210
00:54:30,176 --> 00:54:33,136
Speaker 4: San Diego with Chuck's brother and I was just like,

1211
00:54:33,176 --> 00:54:35,056
Speaker 4: I don't know how this is gonna really work out.

1212
00:54:35,336 --> 00:54:38,216
Speaker 4: But I've always been the GM's guy. But all that

1213
00:54:38,456 --> 00:54:41,816
Speaker 4: being said, I was just put in situations where it

1214
00:54:41,936 --> 00:54:44,456
Speaker 4: wasn't about talent and it was about you're my guy,

1215
00:54:44,536 --> 00:54:48,616
Speaker 4: you're not my guy. And I popped my shoulder and

1216
00:54:48,856 --> 00:54:53,496
Speaker 4: training camp and I played three games in the regular season.

1217
00:54:53,616 --> 00:54:57,296
Speaker 4: When they released me, the Ravens called on Jared Johnson

1218
00:54:57,696 --> 00:55:01,216
Speaker 4: and said, hey, how is this guy? And he he said, hey, man,

1219
00:55:01,256 --> 00:55:02,936
Speaker 4: he's good, he's young, he has a lot of talent.

1220
00:55:03,056 --> 00:55:05,216
Speaker 4: He needs a place. When I got there, they fled,

1221
00:55:05,496 --> 00:55:07,296
Speaker 4: looked at me and said, hey, he put his name

1222
00:55:07,336 --> 00:55:09,616
Speaker 4: on the line for you. Hey, you, this is what

1223
00:55:09,736 --> 00:55:12,136
Speaker 4: we respect for you. When I went in there, I

1224
00:55:12,216 --> 00:55:16,096
Speaker 4: started understanding how to play real football. Right. It wasn't

1225
00:55:16,096 --> 00:55:18,696
Speaker 4: in the Finesse, it wasn't the NFC, it wasn't the

1226
00:55:18,776 --> 00:55:21,696
Speaker 4: West Coast. I was real small, small football. And Elvis

1227
00:55:21,776 --> 00:55:25,296
Speaker 4: Duomaville came along and helped mentor me, also with Chris Canny,

1228
00:55:25,656 --> 00:55:27,896
Speaker 4: and they were like, this is what we expect out

1229
00:55:27,936 --> 00:55:29,536
Speaker 4: of you. This is what we're gonna do. It, we're

1230
00:55:29,576 --> 00:55:31,616
Speaker 4: going to make into a really good football player because

1231
00:55:31,616 --> 00:55:34,616
Speaker 4: you have the talent, and they started clicking with Clarence Brook.

1232
00:55:34,656 --> 00:55:36,296
Speaker 4: Then they're like, this is what we're doing. I started

1233
00:55:36,376 --> 00:55:40,056
Speaker 4: learning from Hellodi Terrell, who taught me how to write

1234
00:55:40,056 --> 00:55:41,976
Speaker 4: a notebook, and I hed, this is how you take

1235
00:55:42,136 --> 00:55:46,456
Speaker 4: notes from every single person, like with Brandon Williams, who

1236
00:55:46,496 --> 00:55:48,456
Speaker 4: with my best buddy on the team. They said, we're

1237
00:55:48,496 --> 00:55:50,256
Speaker 4: going to do this, We're going to grind it out.

1238
00:55:50,696 --> 00:55:53,056
Speaker 4: And from there I just started going up and going up.

1239
00:55:53,136 --> 00:55:55,896
Speaker 4: And when New England finally gave me a true opportunity

1240
00:55:56,336 --> 00:55:59,256
Speaker 4: and say this is what we're doing and we're going

1241
00:55:59,336 --> 00:56:01,656
Speaker 4: to hone your skills and let you grow, and it

1242
00:56:01,896 --> 00:56:03,856
Speaker 4: shows them theirs. That's why I said when I when I,

1243
00:56:03,936 --> 00:56:06,496
Speaker 4: it's not about where you started or how you started,

1244
00:56:06,536 --> 00:56:09,216
Speaker 4: to choose about how you finish it. And that's the

1245
00:56:09,296 --> 00:56:12,096
Speaker 4: greatest thing I did. I got the opportunity. I took

1246
00:56:12,096 --> 00:56:14,456
Speaker 4: advantage of the opportunity like this is how I'm going

1247
00:56:14,496 --> 00:56:16,976
Speaker 4: to finish the end of my career, and I'm hit

1248
00:56:17,096 --> 00:56:20,096
Speaker 4: on full fours with everybody's support.

1249
00:56:20,376 --> 00:56:22,456
Speaker 5: I had two questions left. So my final question for

1250
00:56:22,536 --> 00:56:24,416
Speaker 5: you is I was looking through your status. You have

1251
00:56:24,616 --> 00:56:28,296
Speaker 5: one interception. Tell me about that one interception.

1252
00:56:29,896 --> 00:56:33,656
Speaker 4: Yeah. So if you guys know about how you got

1253
00:56:33,776 --> 00:56:36,816
Speaker 4: to know about how New England does the defense. It's

1254
00:56:36,856 --> 00:56:39,896
Speaker 4: a read defense, like you had to read everything. And

1255
00:56:39,976 --> 00:56:42,096
Speaker 4: like I said, in twenty eighteen, we went to an

1256
00:56:42,096 --> 00:56:44,616
Speaker 4: attack defense. We lost a couple of those games, the

1257
00:56:44,656 --> 00:56:48,616
Speaker 4: first couple of games against the Jaguars Detroit, which didn't

1258
00:56:48,656 --> 00:56:51,376
Speaker 4: win the rest of the season because who wast attacking everything?

1259
00:56:51,776 --> 00:56:55,816
Speaker 4: Stats will looking amazing, right, And we came into it

1260
00:56:55,936 --> 00:56:57,616
Speaker 4: and I got pulled aside like hey, we need you

1261
00:56:57,736 --> 00:57:00,776
Speaker 4: to be like a two technique And I'm like, why

1262
00:57:00,856 --> 00:57:03,136
Speaker 4: is it we need you to read? Because everybody else

1263
00:57:03,176 --> 00:57:04,696
Speaker 4: really can't do it. This is what we are. We

1264
00:57:04,736 --> 00:57:07,016
Speaker 4: can win a super well this way. I'm like cool.

1265
00:57:07,416 --> 00:57:10,656
Speaker 4: So all that being said, we go into the nineteen season.

1266
00:57:10,736 --> 00:57:13,536
Speaker 4: We're now still in that same effort of that read

1267
00:57:13,656 --> 00:57:17,736
Speaker 4: attack mode, and I'm sitting down was like, look, I'm

1268
00:57:17,736 --> 00:57:20,856
Speaker 4: gonna get a dack. I'm on the edge. I'm like,

1269
00:57:20,896 --> 00:57:23,216
Speaker 4: I'm gonna jump the snap. I know the snap call.

1270
00:57:23,256 --> 00:57:25,136
Speaker 4: I'm gonna jump it. I'm not gonna read nothing. And

1271
00:57:25,176 --> 00:57:27,616
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, that person I told the person. I said,

1272
00:57:27,776 --> 00:57:30,256
Speaker 4: I'm jumping it. I was like, if they hit the ass,

1273
00:57:30,536 --> 00:57:34,256
Speaker 4: save me, and I jumped the snap get to Cleveland Browns.

1274
00:57:34,296 --> 00:57:36,456
Speaker 4: I looked at Baker in the face. I'm like, oh,

1275
00:57:36,496 --> 00:57:38,216
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get a sack. I looked at m and

1276
00:57:38,256 --> 00:57:40,536
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, he's gonna throw me the ball.

1277
00:57:41,216 --> 00:57:44,016
Speaker 4: Like he's gonna throw this ball. So we caught it

1278
00:57:44,136 --> 00:57:46,736
Speaker 4: right here, and I'm like this, I said this this

1279
00:57:47,616 --> 00:57:50,256
Speaker 4: he's doing the ball. I said, this is a wild

1280
00:57:50,856 --> 00:57:53,176
Speaker 4: I said, this is gonna be an epic highlight tape.

1281
00:57:53,416 --> 00:57:55,536
Speaker 4: But I know this is going to go around in

1282
00:57:55,576 --> 00:57:59,256
Speaker 4: the league from everybody in the world, like how did

1283
00:57:59,296 --> 00:58:01,296
Speaker 4: you let this big dude get an interception? You should

1284
00:58:01,336 --> 00:58:03,376
Speaker 4: have just took it and rain it, or this took

1285
00:58:03,456 --> 00:58:08,936
Speaker 4: the sack. It ethic because in my head, I talked

1286
00:58:09,016 --> 00:58:12,496
Speaker 4: had this whole conversation. I'm like, I'm gonna get a set.

1287
00:58:13,256 --> 00:58:15,176
Speaker 4: He ain't gonna throw the ball. He threw him in

1288
00:58:15,216 --> 00:58:17,936
Speaker 4: the ball and I think Landry tackled me and I

1289
00:58:17,976 --> 00:58:20,616
Speaker 4: was said like, hey, bro, I said, we had dinner

1290
00:58:20,816 --> 00:58:22,856
Speaker 4: like four months ago out to the Super Bowl. Why

1291
00:58:22,976 --> 00:58:26,896
Speaker 4: why do you talk on me? He said, John, I said,

1292
00:58:27,136 --> 00:58:30,856
Speaker 4: I could have had a touchdown. I said, it should

1293
00:58:30,856 --> 00:58:31,416
Speaker 4: have been epic.

1294
00:58:32,336 --> 00:58:32,416
Speaker 3: Uh.

1295
00:58:32,656 --> 00:58:35,456
Speaker 2: My last question for you, you obviously were there with Brady,

1296
00:58:35,576 --> 00:58:37,776
Speaker 2: had the Super Bowl runs and all that, and then

1297
00:58:37,816 --> 00:58:40,216
Speaker 2: you were post Brady and some of those down years.

1298
00:58:40,256 --> 00:58:43,656
Speaker 2: But now you you watching your watching the New England Patriots.

1299
00:58:43,816 --> 00:58:45,976
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts of the current team, coach Rabel

1300
00:58:46,016 --> 00:58:46,976
Speaker 2: and the job that they're doing.

1301
00:58:47,336 --> 00:58:50,096
Speaker 4: I like them. I got to watch practice on last Friday,

1302
00:58:50,096 --> 00:58:53,256
Speaker 4: and it was amazing on the chemistry that they're building

1303
00:58:53,376 --> 00:58:56,736
Speaker 4: there and like I told Rave about, like, look, I

1304
00:58:56,856 --> 00:58:58,936
Speaker 4: see the brotherhood that you're building and the culture that

1305
00:58:59,016 --> 00:59:02,016
Speaker 4: you're recreating there, and that's amazing because it's one of

1306
00:59:02,016 --> 00:59:04,576
Speaker 4: those situations when you're playing in a on a team

1307
00:59:04,616 --> 00:59:08,136
Speaker 4: that has a very long legacy in his rich history.

1308
00:59:08,496 --> 00:59:11,456
Speaker 4: You want to keep on with that. And you see

1309
00:59:11,536 --> 00:59:14,616
Speaker 4: that they're having fun out there. So it was wasn't like,

1310
00:59:14,736 --> 00:59:17,656
Speaker 4: oh we're going to get you know, the Haric Fund.

1311
00:59:17,896 --> 00:59:20,456
Speaker 4: They're building it that they make mistakes, they come back

1312
00:59:20,496 --> 00:59:22,856
Speaker 4: for the mistake. Like I just told somebody, if you

1313
00:59:23,016 --> 00:59:26,296
Speaker 4: watched the beginning of that game, it was an interception,

1314
00:59:26,776 --> 00:59:29,416
Speaker 4: those tackles, losses, but they just kept going and like, no,

1315
00:59:29,536 --> 00:59:32,296
Speaker 4: we're going to keep it going. It Miles had five

1316
00:59:32,496 --> 00:59:37,736
Speaker 4: sacks that didn't stop the train. They kept going like, look,

1317
00:59:37,816 --> 00:59:40,016
Speaker 4: it is what it is. We're gonna keep pushing that

1318
00:59:40,176 --> 00:59:43,416
Speaker 4: gas pedal. And they ranked up the scoreboard and that's

1319
00:59:43,456 --> 00:59:46,096
Speaker 4: what you want to see. And especially when talking about

1320
00:59:46,096 --> 00:59:49,696
Speaker 4: their defensive defense is to his flying Milton came in

1321
00:59:50,096 --> 00:59:52,176
Speaker 4: and it's doing a phenomenal job. But that like the

1322
00:59:52,336 --> 00:59:57,136
Speaker 4: tongue guy, he's just out there unspoken, which I love.

1323
00:59:57,736 --> 01:00:01,296
Speaker 4: He's debsrupted. If he's pushing back the pocket, he's making

1324
01:00:01,376 --> 01:00:04,016
Speaker 4: pressure just by presidence. He might not make the play,

1325
01:00:04,456 --> 01:00:06,296
Speaker 4: but he's doing it. It needs to be done. And

1326
01:00:06,376 --> 01:00:08,936
Speaker 4: now you've seen this culture being brought in and like

1327
01:00:09,016 --> 01:00:11,536
Speaker 4: I said, this is I said the beginning of this season,

1328
01:00:11,856 --> 01:00:14,776
Speaker 4: I see this team going to the playoffs, and now

1329
01:00:14,816 --> 01:00:18,016
Speaker 4: you can see it coming true because they're like, look,

1330
01:00:18,256 --> 01:00:20,696
Speaker 4: they had the pieces they need to put it together,

1331
01:00:20,736 --> 01:00:23,656
Speaker 4: and then putting everything together and then learning every single week,

1332
01:00:23,896 --> 01:00:27,896
Speaker 4: and that that young quarterback right there, like humble is

1333
01:00:28,016 --> 01:00:31,336
Speaker 4: what it is. And I've heard nothing but great things

1334
01:00:31,816 --> 01:00:34,616
Speaker 4: about him, that how he's striving to be better and

1335
01:00:34,696 --> 01:00:36,096
Speaker 4: better every single game.

1336
01:00:36,616 --> 01:00:39,376
Speaker 1: Lawrence, we really appreciate the time congratulations on the honor

1337
01:00:39,456 --> 01:00:42,656
Speaker 1: getting honored this last week, and just you know, knowing

1338
01:00:43,056 --> 01:00:45,776
Speaker 1: and being able bodied after your retirement. I think that's

1339
01:00:45,816 --> 01:00:47,696
Speaker 1: such a big deal too, with so many the guys

1340
01:00:47,696 --> 01:00:49,336
Speaker 1: that I know that have retired, even like Matt over here,

1341
01:00:49,376 --> 01:00:50,336
Speaker 1: he can still go a little bit.

1342
01:00:50,496 --> 01:00:52,736
Speaker 2: Let's still go, he can still go a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

1343
01:00:52,856 --> 01:00:53,776
Speaker 2: I'm two forty.

1344
01:00:53,576 --> 01:00:58,136
Speaker 4: Though right now. No, that's good nowadays.

1345
01:00:58,416 --> 01:01:00,056
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

1346
01:01:01,136 --> 01:01:01,856
Speaker 2: Pounds overweight?

1347
01:01:02,376 --> 01:01:06,496
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, what are you telling me? Cincinnati? You can

1348
01:01:06,576 --> 01:01:11,456
Speaker 4: be five pounds over five pounds on there, It's okay, okay, perfect.

1349
01:01:11,176 --> 01:01:13,216
Speaker 2: I'll take the five over Lawrence.

1350
01:01:13,296 --> 01:01:14,816
Speaker 5: Good to see you, man, Thank you so much for

1351
01:01:14,856 --> 01:01:17,576
Speaker 5: the time. Congratulations and hopefully we'll talk to you again soon.

1352
01:01:18,056 --> 01:01:20,016
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks Lawrence, thank you, thank for having me.

1353
01:01:20,176 --> 01:01:20,896
Speaker 2: See you later. Man.

1354
01:01:36,736 --> 01:01:40,016
Speaker 5: What's interesting to me about what Lawrence was saying, because

1355
01:01:40,056 --> 01:01:42,976
Speaker 5: he was, you know, very direct about he didn't like

1356
01:01:43,016 --> 01:01:46,176
Speaker 5: in Incincinnati because of the way that the team treated

1357
01:01:46,216 --> 01:01:49,056
Speaker 5: the players and you, again, we're an interview, so I

1358
01:01:49,056 --> 01:01:51,216
Speaker 5: didn't stop it. And you said there was a difference

1359
01:01:51,256 --> 01:01:53,696
Speaker 5: in even New England to Kansas City. I assume there's

1360
01:01:53,696 --> 01:01:57,976
Speaker 5: a difference from any team to team. Definitely from an outsider,

1361
01:01:58,136 --> 01:02:01,816
Speaker 5: it just seems like all professional athletes are treated like gods.

1362
01:02:01,816 --> 01:02:04,336
Speaker 5: There's unlimited food, the facilities.

1363
01:02:03,776 --> 01:02:05,936
Speaker 1: Are a plus. But the more and more than I

1364
01:02:06,056 --> 01:02:07,616
Speaker 1: learned is that's just not the case.

1365
01:02:07,736 --> 01:02:09,976
Speaker 2: It's not the case, and not all these organizations are

1366
01:02:10,016 --> 01:02:11,696
Speaker 2: made the same. And when I first came into the

1367
01:02:11,736 --> 01:02:15,176
Speaker 2: league to New England, I mean it starts as he

1368
01:02:15,336 --> 01:02:18,696
Speaker 2: was saying, it's a player first mentality. So from the food,

1369
01:02:19,096 --> 01:02:21,216
Speaker 2: to the locker room, to the guys that work in

1370
01:02:21,256 --> 01:02:24,016
Speaker 2: the equipment room, to our training staff, our weight room,

1371
01:02:24,376 --> 01:02:30,016
Speaker 2: everything is player first, and so it helps cultivate a

1372
01:02:30,056 --> 01:02:32,336
Speaker 2: culture where you can concentrate on doing your job. You're

1373
01:02:32,376 --> 01:02:34,376
Speaker 2: taking care of you have the messuses if you need

1374
01:02:34,416 --> 01:02:35,936
Speaker 2: those to take care of your body. But then all

1375
01:02:35,936 --> 01:02:37,776
Speaker 2: of a sudden you get to football, and football is

1376
01:02:37,856 --> 01:02:41,336
Speaker 2: so regimented and it's meticulous in detail and how you

1377
01:02:41,456 --> 01:02:45,016
Speaker 2: train the off season and what you're watching in terms

1378
01:02:45,056 --> 01:02:46,816
Speaker 2: of the film, even the off season. Then when I

1379
01:02:46,936 --> 01:02:48,976
Speaker 2: left there and I went to New excuse me, to

1380
01:02:49,056 --> 01:02:51,976
Speaker 2: Kansas City, it was completely different how they treated the

1381
01:02:52,016 --> 01:02:55,256
Speaker 2: off season, like we rarely watched film. We installed some stuff.

1382
01:02:55,416 --> 01:02:57,376
Speaker 2: Then when it was practice time, we'd go to practice

1383
01:02:57,376 --> 01:03:00,816
Speaker 2: but nothing more than that. And it was a culture

1384
01:03:00,856 --> 01:03:03,056
Speaker 2: shock to me because I was trained to do it

1385
01:03:03,176 --> 01:03:06,576
Speaker 2: a certain way, go through certain PROGRESSI and when I'd

1386
01:03:06,576 --> 01:03:08,216
Speaker 2: ask those questions, like we'll get around to that, I

1387
01:03:08,296 --> 01:03:09,576
Speaker 2: was like, when are we going to start breaking down

1388
01:03:09,616 --> 01:03:11,376
Speaker 2: the first game of the year and this is being

1389
01:03:11,376 --> 01:03:13,456
Speaker 2: the off season, because in New England, we'd start prep,

1390
01:03:13,736 --> 01:03:16,376
Speaker 2: like just subtle prep to watch certain opponents that we

1391
01:03:16,416 --> 01:03:18,576
Speaker 2: were going to have early in the year, and none

1392
01:03:18,616 --> 01:03:20,616
Speaker 2: of that took place. And so that was hard for

1393
01:03:20,736 --> 01:03:23,896
Speaker 2: me to wrap my head around of Okay, I've I've

1394
01:03:23,936 --> 01:03:26,216
Speaker 2: got to shift my mindset. And then when you talk

1395
01:03:26,256 --> 01:03:29,256
Speaker 2: to guys like Carson Palmer who was in Cincinnati, it

1396
01:03:29,416 --> 01:03:31,296
Speaker 2: was the same for him. That's why he wanted to

1397
01:03:31,336 --> 01:03:33,536
Speaker 2: get traded and held out that year and did all

1398
01:03:33,616 --> 01:03:38,216
Speaker 2: that because they didn't care as much about the player themselves.

1399
01:03:38,336 --> 01:03:42,056
Speaker 2: They said the food was terrible. The facility that crazy

1400
01:03:42,136 --> 01:03:42,296
Speaker 2: to me.

1401
01:03:42,536 --> 01:03:45,696
Speaker 5: The food the most basic, the most fundamental part of

1402
01:03:46,096 --> 01:03:48,816
Speaker 5: being a professional athlete is fueling and preparing your body

1403
01:03:48,856 --> 01:03:51,936
Speaker 5: the right right And you're telling me that there are

1404
01:03:52,016 --> 01:03:55,216
Speaker 5: certain places that just have lackluster food and not all

1405
01:03:55,296 --> 01:03:55,576
Speaker 5: the time.

1406
01:03:57,136 --> 01:03:59,976
Speaker 2: From talking to a number of guys that I've been around,

1407
01:04:00,056 --> 01:04:06,056
Speaker 2: played with against. There are organizations out there that it's

1408
01:04:06,216 --> 01:04:09,296
Speaker 2: just they're throwing cereal out there in bagels and that

1409
01:04:09,376 --> 01:04:11,616
Speaker 2: you don't want to eat for breakfast where its continental breakfast.

1410
01:04:11,696 --> 01:04:15,256
Speaker 2: It's a continental breakfast where other organizations when I was

1411
01:04:15,296 --> 01:04:17,296
Speaker 2: in New England, they'd have breakfast, lunch and if you

1412
01:04:17,376 --> 01:04:20,936
Speaker 2: stayed late, you could have a dinner. And guys love

1413
01:04:21,056 --> 01:04:22,976
Speaker 2: that because one, they're feeling their body, they're taking care

1414
01:04:23,016 --> 01:04:24,856
Speaker 2: of themselves. But you're also putting the athlete in the

1415
01:04:24,896 --> 01:04:28,296
Speaker 2: best position to be successful physically. So why wouldn't you

1416
01:04:28,456 --> 01:04:30,416
Speaker 2: spend that type of money on your players? And some

1417
01:04:30,656 --> 01:04:32,096
Speaker 2: organizations are just cheaper than others.

1418
01:04:32,216 --> 01:04:33,816
Speaker 5: You know, they have the grades they put out every year,

1419
01:04:34,136 --> 01:04:36,616
Speaker 5: and it's everything from how the team treats family to

1420
01:04:37,256 --> 01:04:40,096
Speaker 5: the facilities, et cetera. I wonder if you looked at

1421
01:04:40,496 --> 01:04:46,016
Speaker 5: just the food and the offerings each team gave, if

1422
01:04:46,136 --> 01:04:51,616
Speaker 5: that equated to poorly run overall organizations.

1423
01:04:51,096 --> 01:04:53,296
Speaker 2: I'm sure for a lot of guys that would be

1424
01:04:53,416 --> 01:04:55,616
Speaker 2: number one, especially guys that have been at a different

1425
01:04:55,696 --> 01:04:57,816
Speaker 2: organization that does a certain way and provides food in

1426
01:04:57,856 --> 01:05:00,016
Speaker 2: the right way. I have to order in food. It's

1427
01:05:00,136 --> 01:05:03,216
Speaker 2: ridiculous to think about that. Some organizations do operate that way.

1428
01:05:04,176 --> 01:05:07,616
Speaker 5: An unnamed person that I I've spoken with played college football,

1429
01:05:08,056 --> 01:05:11,016
Speaker 5: I'll say, at either Georgia or Alabama, and then they

1430
01:05:11,096 --> 01:05:15,376
Speaker 5: came to the Titans and they're remarked to me, were

1431
01:05:16,136 --> 01:05:21,616
Speaker 5: we were treated better in college at said massive school

1432
01:05:22,056 --> 01:05:23,976
Speaker 5: than when we got here to the Titans.

1433
01:05:24,736 --> 01:05:28,176
Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise me. There's certain organization that I've been

1434
01:05:28,216 --> 01:05:30,176
Speaker 2: a part of. When we were in Eden Prairie for

1435
01:05:30,216 --> 01:05:33,456
Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings, the weight room was downstairs and it

1436
01:05:33,616 --> 01:05:35,976
Speaker 2: was multiple different rooms that you'd have to walk into

1437
01:05:36,136 --> 01:05:39,536
Speaker 2: to get It wasn't this beautiful, vast weight room that

1438
01:05:39,536 --> 01:05:42,496
Speaker 2: you'd walk into and you'd be like wow. And then

1439
01:05:42,576 --> 01:05:44,336
Speaker 2: you've been to like Oregon, You've been to some of

1440
01:05:44,376 --> 01:05:47,336
Speaker 2: these universities where you walk in and those are multi

1441
01:05:47,456 --> 01:05:49,976
Speaker 2: one hundreds of million dollar facilities with everything at the

1442
01:05:50,016 --> 01:05:52,416
Speaker 2: disposal for the student athlete. You walk into some of

1443
01:05:52,496 --> 01:05:55,256
Speaker 2: these places and I was like, what in the hell

1444
01:05:55,416 --> 01:05:57,136
Speaker 2: is going on? It was a dungeon, it was underground.

1445
01:05:57,136 --> 01:05:59,376
Speaker 2: There were no windows in this weight room. Now, the

1446
01:05:59,456 --> 01:06:02,096
Speaker 2: food was good, but just overall facility. Now, you go

1447
01:06:02,216 --> 01:06:04,896
Speaker 2: up to the Minnesota Vikings, facility that they've completely redone.

1448
01:06:04,936 --> 01:06:07,216
Speaker 2: The Wolfe did a great job there and I walked in.

1449
01:06:07,296 --> 01:06:09,376
Speaker 2: I was like, where was this? When I was here?

1450
01:06:09,576 --> 01:06:12,296
Speaker 2: Like crazy? Even Dallas Cowboys. When I got there, I

1451
01:06:12,336 --> 01:06:13,976
Speaker 2: was still at the ranch. I told you that story.

1452
01:06:14,256 --> 01:06:16,456
Speaker 2: It was old, it was decrepit. The weight room was

1453
01:06:16,936 --> 01:06:20,056
Speaker 2: definitely old school weight room. And then a year after

1454
01:06:20,136 --> 01:06:22,656
Speaker 2: I left, they built the brand new facility out in Frisco.

1455
01:06:23,016 --> 01:06:25,136
Speaker 2: And when you see pictures of that, you're just blown away.

1456
01:06:25,176 --> 01:06:28,456
Speaker 2: So I know that these organizations, whether it's with their

1457
01:06:28,536 --> 01:06:31,576
Speaker 2: stadiums or with their facilities, are all it's an arms race,

1458
01:06:31,616 --> 01:06:33,656
Speaker 2: and they're always trying to make it better. And I

1459
01:06:33,696 --> 01:06:36,096
Speaker 2: think that they've definitely improved. But when you first came

1460
01:06:36,096 --> 01:06:40,336
Speaker 2: in the league, you could take probably the top twenty universities,

1461
01:06:40,456 --> 01:06:43,016
Speaker 2: if not more, and say those facilities were way better

1462
01:06:43,056 --> 01:06:44,816
Speaker 2: than anything you saw in the NFL.

1463
01:06:45,096 --> 01:06:47,976
Speaker 1: Did you have nice facilities at USC.

1464
01:06:48,496 --> 01:06:50,696
Speaker 2: No, it was a dungeon back then, too, his heritage Hall.

1465
01:06:51,176 --> 01:06:53,096
Speaker 2: I guess they liked me working out in the dungeon

1466
01:06:53,176 --> 01:06:57,376
Speaker 2: because it was underground. There was no windows again, multiple

1467
01:06:57,496 --> 01:07:01,616
Speaker 2: rooms for the different weight rooms, and very small meeting

1468
01:07:01,696 --> 01:07:05,016
Speaker 2: areas and it was not it was not a life

1469
01:07:05,056 --> 01:07:07,016
Speaker 2: of luck by any means. And now you're looking at

1470
01:07:07,016 --> 01:07:09,536
Speaker 2: and they're redoing their whole facility. Even though they redid

1471
01:07:09,536 --> 01:07:11,176
Speaker 2: it probably like five ten years ago.

1472
01:07:11,416 --> 01:07:13,736
Speaker 1: It sounds like everywhere you went, as soon as you left,

1473
01:07:13,936 --> 01:07:15,776
Speaker 1: they then improved the facilities. I think you might have

1474
01:07:15,816 --> 01:07:16,416
Speaker 1: been the role well.

1475
01:07:16,456 --> 01:07:20,056
Speaker 2: Because I was writing in my yell reviews, I think

1476
01:07:20,136 --> 01:07:23,256
Speaker 2: this is what we need to improve, Anonymous, please, and

1477
01:07:23,336 --> 01:07:25,296
Speaker 2: I'd write it fifty times for acting like it was

1478
01:07:25,336 --> 01:07:27,376
Speaker 2: the entire team that really worked out well for me.

1479
01:07:27,736 --> 01:07:29,496
Speaker 1: Do you watch that eighteen inning Dodger game?

1480
01:07:30,296 --> 01:07:33,616
Speaker 2: I got to about the thirteenth inning and I had

1481
01:07:33,656 --> 01:07:35,936
Speaker 2: to call Mercy. It was like eleven thirty at night,

1482
01:07:36,016 --> 01:07:39,096
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my gosh, somebody score do something.

1483
01:07:39,896 --> 01:07:42,496
Speaker 2: And then I woke up this morning and watched the Highlight.

1484
01:07:42,776 --> 01:07:44,376
Speaker 5: One of my friends that was watching a clip I

1485
01:07:44,416 --> 01:07:46,096
Speaker 5: think of last week, and you were on that Dodger's

1486
01:07:46,136 --> 01:07:48,096
Speaker 5: hat that I liked. I'm not a Dodgers fan, but

1487
01:07:48,176 --> 01:07:50,416
Speaker 5: I liked the hat. And he said, hey, I noticed

1488
01:07:50,456 --> 01:07:52,576
Speaker 5: Matt Castle's Dodger hat. I said, yeah, airport, get out

1489
01:07:52,576 --> 01:07:52,896
Speaker 5: the airport.

1490
01:07:52,976 --> 01:07:53,856
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ondred percent.

1491
01:07:54,496 --> 01:07:56,696
Speaker 5: It was an airport Dodger hat right bye too, But

1492
01:07:57,016 --> 01:07:58,656
Speaker 5: multiple people comment and how they like that.

1493
01:07:58,856 --> 01:08:01,176
Speaker 2: Yeah, the hat was rad. Yeah. How about the Dodgers,

1494
01:08:01,216 --> 01:08:04,576
Speaker 2: I mean, are we watching showy Tony? What he is?

1495
01:08:04,736 --> 01:08:07,336
Speaker 2: He's going to be the ever played the game we're watching,

1496
01:08:07,416 --> 01:08:10,256
Speaker 2: like basically Michael Jordan. You can name any of the

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01:08:11,096 --> 01:08:14,856
Speaker 2: goats from any any sport and he's gonna be up there.

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01:08:14,936 --> 01:08:16,696
Speaker 2: I mean, you looked at his stats from the last

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01:08:16,696 --> 01:08:19,536
Speaker 2: two games. I think they said he was seven for seven,

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01:08:19,696 --> 01:08:23,056
Speaker 2: five bombs, two doubles, and then they intentionally walked him.

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01:08:23,456 --> 01:08:25,776
Speaker 1: There's no pitching though, you're just I'm not even talking

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01:08:25,816 --> 01:08:26,376
Speaker 1: about pitching.

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01:08:26,456 --> 01:08:30,016
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's no bigger honor as a hitter when

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01:08:30,056 --> 01:08:32,416
Speaker 2: you come up, you hit two bombs in a double

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01:08:32,696 --> 01:08:35,296
Speaker 2: and they go, we can't pitch to him, regardless, we're

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01:08:35,296 --> 01:08:37,976
Speaker 2: putting him on base and intentionally walk him four times.

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01:08:38,456 --> 01:08:39,896
Speaker 2: He was on base nine times last night.

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01:08:40,096 --> 01:08:42,536
Speaker 1: The only time that I saw that ever happen. I

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01:08:42,576 --> 01:08:44,696
Speaker 1: saw them walk Barry Bonds once with the bases loaded.

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01:08:45,296 --> 01:08:46,096
Speaker 2: I did see that too.

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01:08:46,296 --> 01:08:46,496
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:08:46,656 --> 01:08:51,256
Speaker 5: So yeah, Otani's unlike anything we've ever seen a little

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01:08:51,336 --> 01:08:54,776
Speaker 5: bit like it's a kind of a tugger warm my

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01:08:54,856 --> 01:08:57,296
Speaker 5: head on the Dodgers because they basically have bought the

1515
01:08:57,336 --> 01:09:00,416
Speaker 5: All Star team, and so baseball can do that because

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01:09:00,416 --> 01:09:02,576
Speaker 5: they don't have salary caps. And if you love your

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01:09:02,616 --> 01:09:05,336
Speaker 5: team and you have the money, you know, spend away.

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01:09:05,656 --> 01:09:07,736
Speaker 5: Yankees tried at a bunch. The Dodgers have bought the

1519
01:09:07,816 --> 01:09:10,056
Speaker 5: All Star Team. It's awesome. But the problem is is

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01:09:10,136 --> 01:09:13,496
Speaker 5: that I like the players. I wish I wish they

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01:09:13,536 --> 01:09:15,616
Speaker 5: were a bigger villain, Like I like Freddie Freeman, I

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01:09:15,816 --> 01:09:17,456
Speaker 5: like Otani, I like these.

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01:09:17,376 --> 01:09:20,416
Speaker 1: Guys in smoky bets. Yeah, so all of them that

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01:09:20,536 --> 01:09:23,696
Speaker 1: I'm going man. Of course they have this massive advantage

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01:09:23,696 --> 01:09:26,576
Speaker 1: because of all the money that they spent, but I

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01:09:26,696 --> 01:09:28,576
Speaker 1: kind of personally like them all because they look like

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01:09:28,656 --> 01:09:29,696
Speaker 1: fun guys to be around.

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01:09:29,936 --> 01:09:34,135
Speaker 2: And then just watching greatness happen, right, it's always something

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01:09:34,176 --> 01:09:36,976
Speaker 2: that you're probably on one side or the other. You go, well,

1530
01:09:36,976 --> 01:09:39,856
Speaker 2: they paid for this, But how many other big market teams,

1531
01:09:39,856 --> 01:09:42,616
Speaker 2: whether it's the Yankees or any some of these large

1532
01:09:42,656 --> 01:09:45,216
Speaker 2: market teams, they're spending the same amount of money. But

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01:09:45,336 --> 01:09:48,376
Speaker 2: it's a guy that is a generational talent like showy

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01:09:48,376 --> 01:09:51,336
Speaker 2: Atani comes up in the biggest moments and goes seven

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01:09:51,416 --> 01:09:53,896
Speaker 2: for seven in the World Series and our last two

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01:09:53,936 --> 01:09:56,856
Speaker 2: games with five home runs and two doubles. I mean,

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01:09:57,176 --> 01:10:00,656
Speaker 2: even if you're paying some of the other players that

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01:10:00,736 --> 01:10:03,096
Speaker 2: you think are that upper echelon of hitter, they're not

1539
01:10:03,216 --> 01:10:06,016
Speaker 2: performing at that level at that stage. Yeah.

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01:10:06,096 --> 01:10:07,696
Speaker 1: No, it's awesome, but it's also annoying.

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01:10:08,016 --> 01:10:11,016
Speaker 2: So awesome if you're a Cubs fan, though, I am why.

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01:10:10,896 --> 01:10:13,256
Speaker 5: I say, it's also annoying that I have to like them,

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01:10:13,296 --> 01:10:14,896
Speaker 5: because I do like the players individually.

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01:10:15,256 --> 01:10:19,296
Speaker 2: I know they're all likable. I mean, that's it. Freddie Freeman,

1545
01:10:19,536 --> 01:10:22,256
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. What a stand up dude. All right,

1546
01:10:22,296 --> 01:10:23,176
Speaker 2: just gonna want to hang out now.

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01:10:23,216 --> 01:10:26,216
Speaker 5: I'm tired of him glazing the Dodgers that we're Doay, okay, okay, enough,

1548
01:10:27,176 --> 01:10:27,896
Speaker 5: thank you guys.

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01:10:28,376 --> 01:10:29,976
Speaker 1: Be sure it leaves a comment. If you're on Spotify.

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01:10:30,136 --> 01:10:32,016
Speaker 5: Sometimes I'll look over in the comment section if something

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01:10:32,096 --> 01:10:33,616
Speaker 5: he likes him you didn't like, leave a comment over that.

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01:10:33,656 --> 01:10:36,816
Speaker 1: We really appreciate that. That's Matt Castle. Let's kick off, Kevin.

1553
01:10:36,856 --> 01:10:39,216
Speaker 1: That's Brandon Ray and Bobby Bones. We've had lots to

1554
01:10:39,296 --> 01:10:47,536
Speaker 1: say goodbye, everybody lots to say with Bobby Bones and

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01:10:47,576 --> 01:10:51,456
Speaker 1: Matt Castle. Is a production of the NFL, and iHeart Podcasts.

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01:10:55,056 --> 01:10:57,256
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