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Speaker 1: Hello, friends, and welcome into Fantasy Pros. This is the

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Baseball Podcast, and today I've got two phenomenal guests

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Speaker 1: where we're gonna be talking and breaking down the first round.

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Speaker 1: What does Fantasy Baseball's first round look like? There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of chalk. There's incredible players, of course, as there

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Speaker 1: should be. But what is the wheel looking like? What

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Speaker 1: are the strategies and really what are some of the

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Speaker 1: big questions around how you're going to start your draft? Well,

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Speaker 1: we are going to talk about that and answer. I've

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Speaker 1: got Joe Rico, of course, who is all around on

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros, and the great and powerful Frankie Stamps Frank

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Speaker 1: Stanfel from CBS Fantasy Baseball Today. Frankie, what's up, buddy?

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Speaker 2: Yo? What's going on guys?

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Speaker 3: As you know, things are ramping up right now, pitchers

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Speaker 3: and catchers reporting soon, we'll get spring training coming up,

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Speaker 3: so very exciting times. Fantasy Baseball draft season is upon us.

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Speaker 3: Very happy to be here with you guys, and happy

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Speaker 3: to talk about the first round.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll break it all down. We'll see maybe who

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Speaker 1: can fly in there, and at the end we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about a couple players that we think by next season

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Speaker 1: could be the first round. But also maybe by the

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Speaker 1: back half of this year, who are guys that can

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Speaker 1: jump up, maybe you know, even into the close end

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Speaker 1: of the draft season ending, who can jump up and

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Speaker 1: be a first round player. We got a couple of

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Speaker 1: those fun ones we're gonna do. And we'll also see

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Speaker 1: if Joe Rico can sneak a Toronto blue Jay into

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Speaker 1: the first round. You got one that's close, But that's

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Speaker 1: about all you're gonna be able to do. Joey, and

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Speaker 1: hopefully he's a Blue Jay at least for the rest

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Speaker 1: of this year.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, we got to hope at least of the

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Speaker 4: rest of this year. This is how he's going to

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Speaker 4: start the show off. Guys, he's gonna be picking at

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Speaker 4: me like piece of pa what Joe's not here? Wels

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Speaker 4: just takes over that crown of picking on the blue

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Speaker 4: Jay fan. But yeah, I mean, Vladi, we probably got

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Speaker 4: one more year. I'm gonna hope that we sign him

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Speaker 4: to a ten year contract and I think he's probably

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Speaker 4: a first round player this year. But is he going

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Speaker 4: to be wearing Toronto Blue come a year from now?

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Speaker 4: Probably not.

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Speaker 1: We will see we are going to be looking at

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Speaker 1: the big board of what the first round ranks look

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Speaker 1: jump right into this the first round, and we're not

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Speaker 1: gonna like unravel it bam. We're gonna throw it right

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Speaker 1: at you the first round. According to Fantasy Pros, we

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Speaker 1: are looking at the consensus ranker that we've currently got

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Speaker 1: on here, so things are gonna change over some time.

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Speaker 1: But of all the rankers, myself, Frank, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you're on there. I know we got some of

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Speaker 1: the CBS guys. Are you ranked on there?

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Speaker 2: I haven't done it yet, but I do plan to

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Speaker 2: at some point.

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Speaker 1: Shame, shame, shame. But we do have Scott Why, Scott

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Speaker 1: Why all over the drafts always hates or loves mine.

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Speaker 1: You can check those out. So we've got the rankers

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Speaker 1: The big board looks as such show Heyotani coming in

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Speaker 1: Mookie Betts, Corbyn Carrol. That's your top ten. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Now we're gonna break it down like those are the picks,

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Speaker 1: and let's start with show. Hey Otani, it's pretty easy.

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Speaker 1: Positionless as a DH, but I think people are done

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Speaker 1: what I'm curious about is what valuation change is there

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Speaker 1: at all with Otani, who is now going to be pitching.

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Speaker 1: They're say he's going to be pitching in May. And

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Speaker 1: here's an anecdotal thing. We were working on projections in

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Speaker 1: is this right. It's crazy. It looks crazy when you

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Speaker 1: And that's what we were talking about, by the way,

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Speaker 1: it was the numbers that look ballistic from an auction standpoint.

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Speaker 1: But Otani is a little bit baseline on if you're

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Speaker 1: is not consensus. Every single ranker does not have Otani

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think looking at what he just did right

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Speaker 3: little bit of added risk here with Shohotani, but we

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Speaker 2: Overall. You mentioned a few different formats here.

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Speaker 3: If you play in a daily lineup league, I know

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Speaker 3: a lot of Yahoo had to head categories daily lineups

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Speaker 3: Shoho Tani, if he's one player, he's the.

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Speaker 2: One one, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: If you can reap the rewards of both his hitting

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Speaker 2: It might be ESPN, right.

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Speaker 1: ESPN and fan tracks both have him as one interchangeable

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Speaker 3: The majority of leagues on CBS are weekly formats, so

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Speaker 3: In any daily format where he's one player and you

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Speaker 2: Split him up. You know, DH and pitcher. I have

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Speaker 3: It sounds like, you know, he's not going to pitch

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Speaker 3: And then even once he returns. The Dodgers likely to

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Speaker 3: run a six man rotation, so absolutely no problem with

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Speaker 3: him going first overall, little bit of added risk this year,

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Speaker 1: Do you have him at one?

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Speaker 3: You're getting production across the board, don't have that added risk.

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Speaker 3: He's not coming back from any surgery. I don't think

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Speaker 2: To me, Bobby with Junior a little bit safer than

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Speaker 1: It's very interesting. I'm going to bring up a point

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Speaker 1: here in what I been saying a lot, but I

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Speaker 1: was I felt like you might be insinuating that Otani

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Speaker 1: is not there, Arico. The stats were ridiculous. He is positionless.

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Speaker 1: he wasn't pitching last year. The pitching being thrown into

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Speaker 1: as like, maybe there is some more injury risk. Is

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Speaker 1: there anything positively or negatively you'd take. Maybe you bump

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Speaker 1: down show Hey Otani or is he just the clear cut?

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Speaker 4: So I do have him one. But if somebody did

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Speaker 4: want to take Bobby with Junior, especially a volume player,

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Speaker 4: and you get the first overall pick five times, maybe

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Speaker 4: you take show Hey three times in Bobby with Junior

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Speaker 4: the risk. But the format really really is so important.

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Speaker 4: Like we mentioned the Yahoo, ESPN, NFBC, they're all going

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Speaker 4: to be different. If you're on the NFBC, and a

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Speaker 4: lot of people who are drafting to this point of

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Speaker 4: the year have probably been using predominantly the NFBC rooms.

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Speaker 4: You have the option to use him as a pitcher

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Speaker 4: you're talking about Royce Lewis. As much as I like

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Speaker 4: Jake Berger, these guys is top ten players at the position,

434
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,960
Speaker 4: it is fairly weak. So locking that down and then

435
00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,560
Speaker 4: not having to worry about it at all, I don't

436
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,399
Speaker 4: mind it. I don't mind it. I really don't. But

437
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,040
Speaker 4: is it? Where do you? I have them at five

438
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,680
Speaker 4: right now. But the thing is as well, I don't

439
00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,960
Speaker 4: want to be locking myself into these positional bubbles in

440
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,399
Speaker 4: the first round and saying I have to do this positionally.

441
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,240
Speaker 4: That's something I want to be worrying about a lot

442
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,520
Speaker 4: later in a perfect world. But at the same time,

443
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:14,920
Speaker 4: there are two sides to the point. If you can

444
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,240
Speaker 4: just not have to worry about it, then you don't

445
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,720
Speaker 4: have to worry about it, and I'm okay with that

446
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,080
Speaker 4: as well, Frankie.

447
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Speaker 1: That's actually what I was going to ask is you

448
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,240
Speaker 1: don't even you can get into ramires however you want,

449
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,199
Speaker 1: but like, do you even let it seep into your

450
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 1: brain positionally? Do you think positionally? Are you positionally agnostic

451
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,320
Speaker 1: when you're looking at it. I don't care if it's outfit,

452
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't care if it short, it's up. I don't

453
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,280
Speaker 1: care that Jose Ramirez is the outlier positionally across the board.

454
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Speaker 1: Are you wondering at all and carrying it all and

455
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Speaker 1: focusing on positions in that first round?

456
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Speaker 2: No, not in the first round, not in the first

457
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Speaker 2: couple of rounds. I actually agree with Joe there.

458
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Speaker 3: I think you just want to bank as many stats

459
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Speaker 3: as possible and build that safe floor across the different categories,

460
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 3: not really worrying about positions. Worry more about the categories

461
00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 3: and making sure that you're filling all those out. And

462
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,680
Speaker 3: that's exactly what Jose Ramirez does. So he is the

463
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Speaker 3: number four player for me. He's not part of a

464
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Speaker 3: top four. I think again, there's a clear top three

465
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,600
Speaker 3: and then it kind of opens up, you know, four

466
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,439
Speaker 3: through eight is again maybe a little bit of a

467
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 3: mini tier there. But I think even more than the

468
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Speaker 3: position that Jose Amirez plays is just the consistency that

469
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Speaker 3: he has provided. And he has finished as a top

470
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Speaker 3: six player four of the past five seasons. The one

471
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Speaker 3: that he didn't was twenty twenty three. He still finished

472
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Speaker 3: twenty third overall. So you're telling me that's the floor

473
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Speaker 3: Josierramirez as a second round pick in his worst season

474
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Speaker 3: in the past five years. Yeah, that's absolutely someone who

475
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Speaker 3: should be drafted the top five.

476
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Speaker 4: I just flipped them the number four. I just flipped

477
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Speaker 4: him with Gunner in my rankings.

478
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Speaker 2: So, oh, live live, it happened.

479
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Speaker 4: Frank I did it. Yeah, I'm gonna put that on Frankie.

480
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Speaker 4: So if Bridge a ram West, we know what we're

481
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Speaker 4: going for.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move through a couple more first round questions.

497
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Speaker 1: Do Corbin Carolyn Julio Rodriguez deserve to be in this

498
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 1: first round? Kind of a I guess, a goofy question

499
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: and to do it. But if you're looking at the

500
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Speaker 1: production and you're looking at consistency, We've talked a lot

501
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Speaker 1: about consistency. Gunner's great, Bobby Witt, Jose Ramirez, Judge, maybe

502
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 1: Ellie's a little bit of a question. You get into

503
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 1: guys like Kyle Tucker, Mookie Betts. What are these guys

504
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: all have in common? They just do it every single year.

505
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: Julio Rodriguez and Corbyn Carroll were both relative disappointments. Corbyn

506
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: really bounced back on the back half, but you saw

507
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 1: frank you know you were on it, whether we never

508
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 1: got a confirmation if there's like a shoulder thing or not.

509
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: But batting average kind of sunk. It was late power run.

510
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: Julio is inconsistent. They really didn't get a whole lot

511
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Speaker 1: there around him, So like, I know he's there there,

512
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Speaker 1: that's what it is. But do you think there should

513
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Speaker 1: be more questions asked about Corbyn, Carroll and Julio Rodriguez.

514
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Speaker 1: Corbyn is number ten on these ranks. He has a

515
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Speaker 1: high of six, but he has a low of nineteen.

516
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: Julio Rodriguez is fifteen. He also has a high of

517
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Speaker 1: nine but a low of twenty eight. Amongst rankers on

518
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Speaker 1: the ADP, Carol is eleven, Julio is fourteen, but ESPN

519
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: slams you on Julio with a low or an average

520
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Speaker 1: of forty two. So I gave you all the pieces here, Frankie,

521
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Speaker 1: what do you think about Carol and Julio and your

522
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Speaker 1: investment on them in the first round.

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Speaker 3: I think they absolutely should be in the mix. And

524
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Speaker 3: as we've talked about it, it kind of feels like

525
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 3: there's many tiers within the first couple of rounds. Here

526
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 3: a clear top three to me, the four through eight

527
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 3: I think is pretty locked in. Once you get to nine,

528
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Speaker 3: I think things start to open up a little bit.

529
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 3: You have your Mookie Betts's, your Fernando Tatis Junior, you

530
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Speaker 3: have Corbyn Carrol, Julio Rodriguez, Francisco Lindor, Vladd Junior, Jordon Alvarez.

531
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Speaker 3: So really from nine through let's say fifteen or sixteen,

532
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Speaker 3: it feels very interchangeable. I think it just comes down

533
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 3: to how you want to build your team and based

534
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 3: on the upside. I still think Carol and Julio Rodriguez

535
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Speaker 3: need to be in this conversation. Maybe they don't have

536
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 3: as safe floors as you know, other guys that have

537
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 3: done it for longer. Lindor is basically thirty thirty locked

538
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 3: in the past couple of years. If you just want

539
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: that four category production and you want more of a

540
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Speaker 3: stable batting average, Vladd Junior or Yordon Alvarez could make

541
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 3: more sense. But if you're just talking about production across

542
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 3: the board, Julio Rodriguez five category producer, he is held

543
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Speaker 3: back playing in Seattle. You know the counting stats, the ballpark,

544
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Speaker 3: playing there, But we.

545
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Speaker 2: Just saw it a couple of years ago.

546
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Speaker 3: I mean, he can go thirty thirty, which you can't

547
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 3: really say about many other players in the league.

548
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Speaker 2: And then Corbin Carroll slightly different skill set.

549
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Speaker 3: Maybe the batting average floor a little bit lower than

550
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Speaker 3: we thought heading into last season, but you know, twenty

551
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 3: to twenty five home runs, forty fifty plus deals, so

552
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: it's a little bit of a different skill set. But

553
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Speaker 3: I think absolutely both players should be in the mix

554
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Speaker 3: as late first early second round picks.

555
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Speaker 1: Joe, do you think that Corbyn Carroll or Julio Rodriguez,

556
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Speaker 1: in drafting them, come with any type of a caveat?

557
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: Do you feel that they they're the type of player

558
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: that you're like, now, I gotta go a little safer.

559
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes players do that. You don't really want

560
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: that in the first round, and you know, Frank Gardi

561
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: you kind of say you don't worry about positional stuff,

562
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Speaker 1: but like when you draft a Carol or Julio A

563
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Speaker 1: could you draft both of them together? Be if you

564
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Speaker 1: were to draft one of them, do you feel like, man,

565
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Speaker 1: I've got to go get a Jordan Alvarez. I've got

566
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: to go get a Vladimir Guerrero Junior. I need a

567
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Speaker 1: safe floor player. Do you feel that at all? Or,

568
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Speaker 1: like I said, would you be comfortable taking both of

569
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Speaker 1: those guys?

570
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Speaker 4: If I'm on the turn, and especially in a fifteen

571
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 4: team league, and I end up with both of them

572
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 4: I picked fourteen or fifteen, I'd be pretty happy with that.

573
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 4: The projections like both of them. They both rebounded very

574
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Speaker 4: well down the stretch. Julio started out slowly in each

575
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 4: of the last couple of seasons, and I wonder if

576
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 4: that's just who he is. He gets off to a

577
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Speaker 4: bit of a slow start. I'm also kind of not

578
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: really sure what to make of the whole Seattle Paul

579
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 4: Park batter's eye thing. Are they going to make a change.

580
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 4: Are they not going to make a change. We don't

581
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 4: really know there. But even if they don't, like if

582
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 4: you just look at the baseline projections for Julio ATC

583
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 4: has twenty seven and twenty seven, ZIPS has twenty seven

584
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Speaker 4: and twenty seven, bat x twenty seven to twenty nine.

585
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 4: Oopsie the new projection which really shoots for the fence

586
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 4: thirty two and thirty two with a two eighty eight

587
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Speaker 4: batting average. So I still think he's fine. Do I

588
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 4: worry about the surrounding environment and the teammates, Like, is

589
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 4: Randy Rose Arena his most offensively talented teammate right now,

590
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 4: Probably if they get Pete Alonso, I like that a

591
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 4: bit more. But between the two of them, I'm definitely

592
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 4: more in on Corbyn Carroll. You know, the shoulder issue

593
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 4: seems to be resolved with the caveat there that we

594
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 4: don't really know for sure, but just based on his

595
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 4: performance down the stretch, it really did seem like Corbyn

596
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 4: Carroll was pretty fine in the second half. He was

597
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 4: stealing bases, He hit seventeen home runs in sixty three games,

598
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: So maybe the injury wasn't as severe as we might

599
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 4: have thought and it just healed on its own. People

600
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: are gonna be worried about is he gonna need surgery

601
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 4: at some point? But again, even in like his worst season,

602
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 4: I mean, he's only had a couple of seasons, but

603
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 4: this was, you know, a down year for Corbyn Carroll.

604
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 4: He had one hundred and twenty one runs twenty two

605
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 4: and thirty five. He also had only a two to

606
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 4: fifty six babbot in Welsh. I wonder like you watch

607
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 4: him a lot more than I think the rest of

608
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 4: us do. Being in Arizona. Previous two years Babbit for

609
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 4: Corbyn Carroll was three thirty three and three twenty five.

610
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 4: He goes down to two fifty six. Do you think

611
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 4: that bounces back and he can hit to eighty five

612
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 4: again one.

613
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: Hundred thousand percent. Also, babbit could be driven by speedy guys,

614
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: so it's like he's one of the fastest in baseball.

615
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: He struggled making contact. People can use babbub like the

616
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: super generic ways. You could look and you could be like, oh,

617
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: that's eighty points off of their standard. That's bad luck.

618
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: You know that's working, and that is not a repeatable thing.

619
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're not intercorrelated all. But you look at left

620
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: on base percentage for a pitcher and you're like, oh,

621
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: that's you know, sixty two percent that's not going to

622
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: maintain or ninety five percent. You look at low babbebs

623
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, that's like a metric you can

624
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: look at for potential positive regression. So yeah, I think.

625
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 1: I think I always thought Corbin, to be honest with you,

626
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: his batting average was more of the stabilizer, and it

627
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: really fell apart because he had this massive hole in

628
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: his swing in the upper portions of the zone which

629
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: he got attacked, attacked, and he really never found great ways,

630
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: whether it was his shoulder or just his swing style,

631
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: because he'll get you know, you know, like he doesn't

632
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: have like a short swing. He's got a super fast swing,

633
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: but he'll just kind of come across the body and

634
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: got beat pretty bad. But I always thought that that

635
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: could improve. I think I think Carol's still a great

636
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: baseline player, and ATC it does have Julio pret rejected

637
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: at two seventy four, Carroll at two fifty eight, but

638
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: Carrolett two fifty eight is still phenomenal. They project twenty

639
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: four homers and forty stolen bases. One of I believe

640
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: Corbin Carroll is the number one player in runs scored

641
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: when at first base, Like his percentile was just dramatically

642
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: higher than any player. When he was on base, it

643
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: was like over fifty percent of the time the dude

644
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: was scoring a run. So if he's hitting for higher average,

645
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: he's projected at one hundred and seven runs. That's as

646
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: much as one Soto. I want to point out in etc. Projections,

647
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: Ario Cohen one of the most respected. He is the

648
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: same projected runs as Juan Soto twenty four to forty,

649
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: So like I'm obviously defender of Corbyn Carroll, but it

650
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: does feel a little caveaty sometimes like maybe you're taking

651
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: on some inherent risk, but maybe even more so we

652
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: can discuss kds and where you want to pick. We'll

653
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: do here in just a second. What I do want

654
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: to bring up is a very very important conversation in

655
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: the first round, probably the last of the big like

656
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: you know this certain player or draft strategy thing his pitchers.

657
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: So the discussion can you take a picture? Are you

658
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: comfortable taking a picture?

659
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: This year?

660
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: Obviously, Paul Skeens is the top guy. He's at thirteen

661
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: in ADP. Across the board, he's the lowest rank is

662
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: actually on CBS or at least our current data at eighteen.

663
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: Overall his rank as we were looking on the big board,

664
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: he came in at fourteen with a high of five

665
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: a low of thirty one. Trick Schooble's close Frank Stanful

666
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: can and will you draft a starting pitcher in the

667
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: first round.

668
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: I can draft a starting pitcher in the first round.

669
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: I will not draft a starting pitcher in the first round,

670
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: and I probably won't draft one in the second round either.

671
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: I have no doubt that both of these guys are

672
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: talented enough to earn this draft stock, earn return on investment.

673
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: Paul Skeins and Trek Scooble obviously both incredibly talented and

674
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: in Paul Skens's case, incredibly young. But just the inherent

675
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 3: risk that comes with starting pitchers. I mean, the past

676
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: couple of years, velocity being up, injuries being up, trips

677
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: to the il Tommy surgeries at an all time high.

678
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: It's just if you draft starting pitchers, they are more

679
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: risky than taking early round hitters and famous last words.

680
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know somebody, everybody comes up with

681
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: this every single season, but the middle rounds of pitching

682
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: actually looks really good this season, you know. I think

683
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: if you wait until round three or round four and

684
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: you get a Corbyn Burns or a Cole Reagan's or

685
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: Dylan See someone like that, you can build your rotation

686
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: George Kirby something like that, even like the ultimate fallback option,

687
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: Fran Ravaldez going like round five or six right now.

688
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: If you wait and just kind of build your staff

689
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: around him, someone you know is a workhorse, I think

690
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: you can find a way to make it work. So

691
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 3: they're absolutely talented enough. I think that they can return,

692
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: but they just come with more risk and as I

693
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: said earlier, just trying to play it as safe as

694
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: possible in the first couple of rounds. I won't be

695
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: drafting a starting pitcher in rounds one or two.

696
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if you draft in a league with Joe Rico.

697
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna get Garrett Crochet in the fourth round every

698
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: time because he just always passes on him thinks he's

699
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: gonna get him in the fourth round, you're locked in.

700
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: If you got a late third round, you're gonna get

701
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: Garrett Krosch in the late third or fourth round because

702
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: Rico refuses to pull the trigger on it. Joe, besides

703
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: Garrett Crochet, is there a world where you could stomach

704
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: pulling pocket aces? Pocket aces being the strategy of two

705
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: starting pitchers in your first two picks, that would clearly

706
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: be Tarik Schooble and Paul Skins the biggest advantage you

707
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: could possibly have. But could you stomach and do you

708
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: think you would ever suggest anybody do pocket aces? And

709
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: you know, is there a scenario where first or even

710
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: second round you would pull the trigger on school or Skins.

711
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 4: So no on the pocket aces. In a lot of cases,

712
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: if you're in like a really shallow if you're in

713
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: a ten team league, maybe I could see it. Maybe

714
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 4: I could see it a lot of replacement level value.

715
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 4: You could really win your league. I know that term

716
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 4: is thrown around a lot, but if both of those

717
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 4: guys go one hundred and seventy innings, then you're winning

718
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 4: all the pitching categories. Now, if we're just talking one

719
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: of them in the first round, generally speaking, it's a no.

720
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: I like to really build that base of what at

721
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 4: least one, if not two hitters. Sometimes if one of

722
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: them falls, it's tempting. I did a mock draft last

723
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: night with Frank and some of the guys over at CBS,

724
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 4: and I took Paul Skeins, And it's because he fell

725
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 4: to the middle of the second round, and I thought, Okay,

726
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: generally speaking, he's not falling to the middle of the

727
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 4: second round. I'll take a chance on him here. It

728
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: was also a mock draft. Once the money's on the table,

729
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 4: who knows. There's different things that come into play there.

730
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 4: But I think if you're talking about, generally speaking, in

731
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 4: the first couple of rounds. You should build your base offensively,

732
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: and then once you get to round three through seven,

733
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 4: you can get a Crochet. You can get Iman Gonna

734
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 4: get in trouble here, but Jacob Gram I love Jacob

735
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 4: de Gram. You can get George Kirby, you can get Reagan's.

736
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: There's a lot of names that are still ace level

737
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 4: pitchers that you don't have to pay up a top

738
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: thirty or forty eightyp for. So get your Vlatties, your

739
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 4: Corby and Carrol's, your mookie bets, and then you start

740
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 4: building your pitching starting around pick fifty.

741
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: When you do a video, it's the players that you

742
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: will get yelled at the most. If you draft and well,

743
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: that video will start with Jacob deGrom if you have

744
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: that discussion, Luckily we're not having a first round discussion

745
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: about him, but they will be more ex curial. Yeah. Well,

746
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, if he pitches one hundred

747
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: and forty one hundred and fifty innings, sure we'll be

748
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: probably talking about him and Skins on the wheel. I

749
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: don't know if any of us will still want it.

750
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'm with Frank, I'm with you

751
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: guys not taking a first round pitcher. I'm really not

752
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: doing a second round pitcher. If you're in a points

753
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: league format and pitching gets pushed up a little bit, yeah,

754
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: maybe I'm like, especially on a wheel, I might be

755
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: a little bit more app for a guy like Paul

756
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: Skins as well. But there's just so much depth out there,

757
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: But it just doesn't doesn't feel like the strategy any

758
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: of us want to pull. But hey, you know what,

759
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you got to pivot. But the pitching market is

760
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: a big doom for us and no boom if you will, Frankie,

761
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: you like that one. All right, last couple of things,

762
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: let's get into these are We're gonna maybe do a

763
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: little projection here. But what I want to ask is,

764
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: since we've talked about all the players again one last time,

765
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: that top fifteen on the East Hear on Fantasy Pros,

766
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: We've got Atani Witt, Judge, Ellie Gunners, your top five

767
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: Sodo Ramirez, Tucker, Bets Carrol, and then your bottom five

768
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: through fifteen is Tatis, lind Or Alvarez, Skeins, and Julio Rodriguez.

769
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 4: Joe.

770
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: We'll start with you Katis Kentucky Kentucky system where you

771
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: get to pick your draft spot. Where do you want

772
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: to draft in the first round this year?

773
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: So generally speaking, like when we've done our mock drafts,

774
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 4: I've mixed it up a little bit, but I like

775
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 4: to be on the back end of the first round,

776
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 4: somewhere between pick nine and twelve, or if it's a

777
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 4: fifteen team league, I get somewhere between ten and fifteen.

778
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 4: And it's because I think that we're probably talking about

779
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 4: roughly twenty first round viable players this year, and if

780
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: you're drafting on the back end and you're able to

781
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: pair up like we mentioned earlier, Julio and Carrol, or

782
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: you're able to get Bets and Lindore, or Vlad Guerrero

783
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: and Jackson, Curio Jordan Alvarez, etcetera, etcetera, I really like

784
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: being in that kind of range. Also because when you're

785
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 4: talking if you're in the early top three picks, I

786
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 4: just am not really as big of a fan of

787
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 4: the guys that come back to you in that kind

788
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: of range. Bryce Harper, Jared Duran, William Contrerez, Jazz Chisholm.

789
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: It's a bit of a riskier range for me, So

790
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: I'd like to be at the back end and really

791
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 4: just secure two of those players that I do perceive

792
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 4: be first round values as opposed to taking that high

793
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 4: end first round player and then kind of sacrificing on

794
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 4: my second round and taking a player that I'm not

795
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: as interested in now. One last thing. In a fifteen

796
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 4: team league, though, if you're drafting first overall and you

797
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: get Sho Hee o Twani or Bobby wit Junior, I

798
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 4: don't mind that turn there because the players that are

799
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 4: available a little bit later, you know, Michael Harris, there's

800
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 4: you can nail down a first closer if you want

801
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: to go for a Class A if you did want

802
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 4: to reach on into Grom like, I don't mind it

803
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: in a fifteen team league, but a lot of the time,

804
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 4: nine times out of ten, I'm picking a later draft

805
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 4: spot this year.

806
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: Frankie, what do you think where if you are picking

807
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: in the first round, what's that spot that you want

808
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: that sweet spot for you?

809
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: I think Joe laid it out well in terms of

810
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 3: if you have a back end of the first round pick,

811
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,959
Speaker 3: it kind of feels like there's fifteen, sixteen, seventeen first

812
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: round caliber players. So obviously, if you are picking on

813
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: that back end, you you basically lock down two of

814
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 3: those guys. If not there, I think third just whoever

815
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: falls of the top three. Again, it feels like a

816
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: top three o Tani, Bobby Wit, Aaron Joe in whatever order.

817
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: I'll just take whichever one falls to me at pick three.

818
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: In a twelve team league, I think you know, there

819
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: is a chance you could still get a Freddy Freeman

820
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: or a Trey Turner falls to you at the back

821
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: half of the second round in a fifteen team, or

822
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: it is a little bit tougher Joe, because as you

823
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: pointed out, if you pick third, you know some of

824
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: those names that are falling to you. It's kind of

825
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 3: that range where it feels like there's kind of a

826
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: tear drop in the in the production expected production for

827
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: those players, and you feel like, all right, maybe I'm

828
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: reaching on some of these guys in the late second round.

829
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: But in a twelve teamer, you know, around pick twenty

830
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: one twenty two, I think that you'll still have some

831
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: pretty good value there. So if it's not the back half,

832
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: I'll just take number three and whoever falls.

833
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: I like what you guys are saying, like Ka Tell

834
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: Marte is another and a twelve team on the back

835
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: half of the second to third you could take that

836
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: works in there's a lot of things you can do.

837
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: Fifteen does make it tougher. You are reaching a little bit.

838
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: I will tell you, I really like that six to

839
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: seven spot for this year because I believe that there

840
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: there's a big tier. I like what you said that

841
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: there's seventeen eighteen, maybe twenty four around talented players. But

842
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: I think if you're looking at an A tier, there's

843
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: about seven players that are a tier, and that is

844
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: broken into like one A and one B. I guess

845
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: that's you know, this tier one and it's one A,

846
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: one B and one A is like Otani and Wit

847
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: and then maybe Judge, and then that B tier opens

848
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: up to guys like we've talked about Ellie, Gunner, Henderson,

849
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: Juan Soto, Jose Ramirez. So if you're around six, you're

850
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: gonna get somebody that's gonna fall to you. If you

851
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: don't like Eli, then that's not good for you. But

852
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: like Gunner or Jose Ramirez or Ellie, and I think

853
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: you get a really good spot coming back. You might

854
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: have one more of those really good positional players that

855
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: are gonna be floating around there. Then in the third round,

856
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: you're in a really good spot to snipe Joe Rico

857
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: on Garrett Crochet and that's like, that's prime of what

858
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about the last two things here. Let's have

859
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: a little look see for what the first round could

860
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: be starting with by the end of the draft season.

861
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: Who is a.

862
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: Player we know who the top fifteen is? You want to,

863
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, just use number sixteen, that's fine. But is

864
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: there a that you think over the next six weeks

865
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to jump into the first round. This

866
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: is not an uncommon thing. I think there are probably

867
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: only a handful of players that can do this. But

868
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: we've talked about that there are maybe twenty ish players

869
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: that are first round caliber. Which of those players that

870
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: is not in the fifteen mister Frank Stanfel, do you

871
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: think could potentially jump in and people start taking on

872
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: the wheel of fourteen and fifteen because they don't want

873
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: to miss out.

874
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: I think there's a pretty obvious name. I think maybe

875
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 3: it's already started too, and that is Jackson Surio. As

876
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: a twenty year old last year went twenty twenty and

877
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: from June one he hit three zero three with sixteen

878
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: home runs fifteen steals, and people are thinking of, man,

879
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: the potential. This guy can hit three hundred, He could

880
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: go thirty thirty. If he pops a couple home runs

881
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 3: in spring training and just starts tearing the cover off

882
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: the ball, he absolutely will be in the mix for

883
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: a first round pick. I did want to give an

884
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 3: honorable mention to Ronald Dacunya, who right now is kind

885
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 3: of a stay away for me, just because it sounds

886
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: like he's going to miss the first month of the

887
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: season coming back from another torn acl He has torn

888
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: the eight in both of his knees. For someone whose

889
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 3: skill set is so revolved around speed and ceiling bases,

890
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: obviously that is a problem. But if he plays in

891
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: spring training and he starts to look like himself and

892
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: we start to get some positive reports, all right, maybe

893
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: he'll be back a little bit sooner than we thought.

894
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: We're not going to restrict him as much. I could

895
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 3: see people kind of buying back in and moving Ronald

896
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: Lcunya back up into that one two turn. It's probably

897
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: not going to be me, but I could see a

898
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 3: scenario where it happens.

899
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: I like that too, because I'm kind of I'm exactly

900
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: like you like I'm out right now with the injury,

901
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot of floating stuff. If we get more

902
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: confirmation he's playing in spring trending and they say, hey, listen,

903
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: we're going to give him two weeks to ramp up

904
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: mid April he's back. You know what, great wheel pick.

905
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: Get him on the wheel with whatever hitter that's floating

906
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: out there. Maybe you could take a Julio and Ronald

907
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: Acunia and that's like top five from last year. So

908
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: that's the spot we go.

909
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: Jackson Cherry was.

910
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: One hundred percent of the player. If neither one of

911
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: you said it, I was going to say, I think

912
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: he is the prime example of the guy that is

913
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: going to end up jumping arica. Is there anybody else

914
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: that you think that has the potential over the next

915
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: six weeks in the draft season to move into be

916
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: a first rounder or someone we could maybe you know,

917
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: on occasion see jumping up into the back end of

918
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: the wheel. People starting to snag out.

919
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 4: Well, the Acuna ones really interesting. If we get any

920
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 4: whiff of good news or any you know, if there's

921
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 4: a video of him running at full speed like he's

922
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 4: going in the first round. I've mentioned him already a

923
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 4: couple times, I'm already going to be in trouble in

924
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 4: the comments, so I might as well double down. If

925
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 4: we see Jacob B. Groham throwing ninety nine miles an

926
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 4: hour in spring training, somebody's taken him in the first round,

927
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 4: especially in those NFBC drafts. In the main event, it's

928
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 4: gonna happen. Pitching gets pushed up there to begin with,

929
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 4: and then if we do see like just these crazy

930
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 4: clips of pitching Ninja f Rob Friedman starting to share

931
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 4: these things, then I could definitely see it. And there's

932
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 4: one more name that's kind of a little bit less obvious,

933
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 4: but I think Jazz Chisholm has a potential to get

934
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 4: there in some leagues. And then Mak we did last night,

935
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 4: Frank he went on the one two turn and it

936
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 4: was a twelve teamer. I think he went thirteenth. And

937
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 4: you might say, well, somebody was just a little bit

938
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 4: over anxious there. But we're talking about a guy who

939
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 4: is now playing in New York and another guy where

940
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 4: if we see, you know, he's healthy. If we get

941
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: those best shape of their life type of videos, I

942
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: could see jas Chisum sneaking into that one two turn.

943
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 4: In fact, I believe he's already gotten there in some drafts.

944
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 4: His minimum pick on the NFBC this year is thirteen,

945
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 4: so it's already happened at least a few times. I

946
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 4: could see it happening a little bit more with that

947
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: whole New York flare. If we see him have a

948
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 4: you know, like what O'Neil Cruz did to some extent

949
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 4: last year in spring training. If he starts hitting the

950
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 4: cover off the ball, stealing bases he's in New York,

951
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 4: I could see it happening, all right.

952
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: Final one here, let's do a little future projecting. I

953
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: labeled this as next year, but maybe it's even by

954
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: the end of the year. Let's take a outside the

955
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: top fifty player right now that has the potential to

956
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: jump up in someone we could be talking about as

957
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: a first rounder next season. Joey, Let's start with you

958
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: potential outside the top fifty ish player that could be

959
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: a first round that by the end of this year,

960
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: or someone we're looking at next year in the first round.

961
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: So he is kind of fringy depending on which site

962
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 4: you look at. Some of them he might be inside

963
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 4: of the top fifty. Some of them he might be

964
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: just outside of it, but I'm going with Wyatt Langford,

965
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 4: and I think Wyatt Langford is where even by the

966
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: end of this year we could be talking about him

967
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 4: as as a first round value. The projections love him.

968
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 4: I know a lot of the people who are more

969
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 4: into prospects, welsh u and Eric Cross is obsessed with

970
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 4: him and it's hard to not have to be when

971
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 4: you look at the data. Like all the things around

972
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 4: him last year, all the narratives were that it was

973
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 4: a disappointing season. He didn't meet up to expectations. He

974
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: still hit sixteen home runs, nineteen stolen bases, he hit

975
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 4: two fifty three. It was a one to ten WRC plus,

976
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: he had a good walk rate of nine percent, didn't

977
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 4: strike out a lot, only twenty percent, barreled the ball

978
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 4: up at a nine percent rate. There's a lots to

979
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 4: really like. And the comp that I've used for the

980
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: people who are more football inclined is it was essentially

981
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 4: like Marvin Harrison junior. The expectations were so stupid high

982
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 4: that it looks like a disappointment, but it was really

983
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: actually a very very good season. And when you're looking

984
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 4: at projections, pretty much the baseline is about twenty to

985
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 4: twenty five homers and twenty stolen bases with about a

986
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: two seventy batting average when you factor in how deep

987
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 4: that Rangers lineup is. Where Jake Berger's projected a hit

988
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: eighth right now, this could very easily be one hundred

989
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 4: runs one hundred RBIs where he's hitting thirty homers if

990
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 4: things break right with twenty plus stolen bases, and I

991
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 4: think he could very easily be in that first round

992
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 4: conversation next year. The way Jackson Churio is this year,

993
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: definitely one.

994
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: I took a look at Yahoo and ESPN both have

995
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: him ADP outside the top fifty, so I think that

996
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: definitely works. This would have been one I would have

997
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: thrown out as well. Frank love your name. This is

998
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: a nice deep shot here, a good popular target outside

999
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: the top sixty or seventy in some spots. So your

1000
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: player that we could be seen by the end of

1001
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: this year next year as a first rounder.

1002
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: I will just preface this with I think you guys

1003
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 3: chose the two perfect players just outside the top fifty

1004
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: who could be in this first round conversation. So I'll

1005
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 3: drop down a little bit lower and someone else who

1006
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: has a lot of hype this offseason is Lawrence Butler.

1007
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: The ADP right now is seventy five point eight across

1008
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: all of the different websites, and we know that he

1009
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: was awesome over the final three months. Hit three zero

1010
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: two to twenty home runs, fourteen steals, a nine to

1011
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: forty three ops in seventy three games there for Lawrence

1012
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 3: Butler during that stretch, strikeout rate was manageable, right around

1013
00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 3: twenty one percent.

1014
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: He hit the ball really hard.

1015
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: I love that as a young left handed bat, he

1016
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: had really good left handed right handed splits. He hit

1017
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: lefties better than he hit righty's last year. So what

1018
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 3: that tells me is he should be an everyday player,

1019
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: which obviously helps with projecting playing time and counting stats

1020
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: and things like that. And the move from Oakland Coliseum

1021
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: to Sacramento in Sutter Health Park, which I think maybe

1022
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 3: as a community we might be overvaluing the ballpark shift

1023
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: a little bit, but I still think it's going to

1024
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: be a better ballpark than Oakland Colisseum.

1025
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 2: And it's a warmer climate too.

1026
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: I know my co host Chris Sowards did some research

1027
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: into this, and it's like in the summer, it's it

1028
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 3: could be as much as like an average of ten

1029
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: degrees hotter.

1030
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: And it's similar to Arizona here a client because you're

1031
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: away from coastal and Sacramento and it's got you. I mean,

1032
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: like it's going to hit hundreds and stuff like that,

1033
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: and that's a you know, relatively what we experience here

1034
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: in like May So, yeah, I agree with that.

1035
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: So if that happens, like the ball is just going

1036
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: to fly out, and if that, you know, look power

1037
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: and speed. I think the Oakland lineup is okay, it's

1038
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: not as terrible as we thought heading into las year.

1039
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 3: I think gets an improving lineup. I see a scenario

1040
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: here where Lawrence Butler goes twenty five to twenty five

1041
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 3: with a pretty good batting average, and I mean the

1042
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: upside the ninety nine percent is like thirty thirty. He

1043
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: hits three hundred and just becomes one of the best

1044
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 3: players in baseball. I don't think that's out of the

1045
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: realm of possibility. And if that happens, then yeah, we're

1046
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 3: looking at a first round pick with Lawrence Butler.

1047
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that one. Mine, as you guys are

1048
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to, I pick James Wood adp is

1049
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: at fifty one. I've talked a lot about him for

1050
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: quite some time. Nine homers, fourteen stolen bases last year

1051
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: he hit two sixty four strikeouts are definitely something that

1052
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: he's going to continue working on. But the profile, ten

1053
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: percent barrel, fifty two percent hard hit rate, phenomenal expected

1054
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: batting average supported his batting average. He didn't get the

1055
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: ball in the air two degree launch angle, and he

1056
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: still hit those nine homers. That's going to adjust. It's

1057
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: like a super common young guy thing. He did a

1058
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: really good job in the miners of hitting both righties

1059
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: and lefties. He also did that at the major league level,

1060
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: which I think two sixty batting average across righty's and

1061
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: lefties is huge. The first fifty at bats were kind

1062
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: of he's adjust period. The rest of the season he

1063
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: ended up hitting just about two seventy. He's got thirty

1064
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: thirty potential for James Wood, He's gonna have an entire

1065
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: season in front of him. I love him. He's definitely

1066
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: a potential first rounder. So whyet lang for James Wood,

1067
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: maybe even Lawrence Butler. Some potentials for the end of

1068
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: this year or next year, and those are the guys

1069
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: you guys can let us know who you like for

1070
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: next year. Who's a guy that could sneak into the

1071
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: first round that we didn't talk about, your absolute favorite

1072
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: place to draft. Do it all in the comments on

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