1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. Boy. 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: We talked about a murder this week. We sure did 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: with some real sloppy criminals. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, these were. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: Not uh of all the planning, like the you know, 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: if I'm not saying anyone should plan a murder in fact, 9 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: please don't, I beg But they did a bad job 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 2: babying theirtel. I really don't think the other two guys 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: were involved in this planning at all, but like he 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: did not really think anything through. Uh, they all did 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: just absurd things afterward, with the singing and the ordering 14 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: the pork for dinner and I don't know, just renting 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: a gig from the same person over and over on 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: the course of the weekend and returning it bloody one time. 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: Like yeah, I know. 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: I think maybe all of their time in fight club 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: had knocked their brains about a bit and they were 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: not capable of critical thinking. 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: That's my guy. 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I was away this past week and one 23 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: of the things that we did one day was we 24 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: just we're going to have regency stuff on the TV 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 2: all day one day and we wound up playing through 26 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: a lot of Bridgerton, which I've watched all of Bridgerton, 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: I have not read the books. I had forgotten about 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: the whole boxing plot line that exists in that show, 29 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: and I was like, ah, this comes up in that. 30 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: The thing I'm working on context for this. 31 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had just sort of forgotten, which is we 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: I mean that boxing comes up in a lot of 33 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: fiction of the area, even if it's like not the 34 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: book has nothing to do with that, there will be 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: mentioned of you know, they were trying to get somewhere 36 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: and the road was just totally glutted with people who 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: were going to the boxing match, like that kind of stuff. 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: How delighted am I always when Hogarth comes up? Yeah, 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: there's been several Hogarth mentions lately. Oh, it makes me 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: want to pull out my Hogarth doc Martins. 41 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 42 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: As I was compiling research for this, I went and 43 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: I just sort of bookmarked a ton of different books 44 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: from you know, eighteen twenty three, eighteen twenty four, right 45 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: in the time within you know, a year or two 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: of when all this happened, and it I didn't realize 47 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: until actually getting into them how many of them were 48 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: the exact same material, just maybe in a different order. Yeah, 49 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: Because like a lot of people were like, you know, 50 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: how I bet I can make a little bit of 51 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: money is if I compile all of the you know, 52 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: all of these records and all of these testimonies, I'm 53 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: just going to put it all into one thing and 54 00:02:59,520 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: print it. 55 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: Maybe I will have. 56 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: Some paragraphs of original material that are like maybe my 57 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: own eyewitness account of the hanging or whatever. A lot 58 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: And then after a while in trying to read just 59 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: one of them, my brain really just started. I was like, I, yeah, 60 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: you all don't really have your story straight, and this 61 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: is all happening in a place called the art of choke. 62 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: That's the best part, right the Yeah, Yeah, Like you 63 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: and I don't live in the world where somebody could 64 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: pull a body from the pond and take it to 65 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: the nearest inn to have the corridor's inquest right there 66 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: right at the end. 67 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: That's just not. 68 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: I also was thinking about the chain of custody with 69 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: the murder weapons, because it like really was like these 70 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: two guys found by the road, they gave it to 71 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: their boss. I am not sure if their boss then 72 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: gave it directly to the magistrate, or if that, if 73 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: they passed through the hands of someone else first, right, 74 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: which is also you know, not really how ideally it works. 75 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: No, today, No, there's a lot. There's a lot of Again, 76 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: I think maybe fight Club made them not able to 77 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: think things be like, oh, hell, there's this. Everybody knows 78 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: about this. I didn't even try to conceal the fact 79 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: that I was doing. I didn't even go to a 80 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: different town. I just bought that the nearest place to 81 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: where I was gonna kill the guy. 82 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just went over to the store 83 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: and bought sack in a rope. 84 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: You know how you do? Yeah, as you do. 85 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: I do wish that I was able to I had 86 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: been able to find more information about William ware or Weir. 87 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 2: However it is that people want to say his name 88 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: because I really found almost nothing, And I'm an a 89 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff today, like real brief encyclopedia type 90 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 2: articles like describe him as a solicitor, and I have 91 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: not really been able to figure out like was he 92 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 2: actually a solicitor. He lived at lions In, which is 93 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: a place where a solicitor might live, but lions In 94 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: had also like declined so much in uh quality, I 95 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: guess is maybe not the exact best word. 96 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: But he wasn't necessarily a. 97 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: Solictorie, right, And when I tried to go back to 98 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: like news reports and stuff like that from the time, 99 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: I didn't find anything that described him as a solicitor. 100 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: But I, like, I also didn't feel like that was 101 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: enough to conclusively rule that out. I mean, here's the 102 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: bottom line, right, nothing is enough to conclusively say much 103 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: of anything about him. 104 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the problem. 105 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, maybe there are more records somewhere, 106 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: but I sure did not find them. Oh sorry, William Ware, 107 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: we don't know a lot about you. So we talked 108 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: about six ghost stories this week, and I'm just gonna 109 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 2: say some of these listener recommendations of these ghost stories 110 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: were from many, many years ago. I don't know why 111 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: it took me so long to go, Oh, you know, 112 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: what would be really fun for October is like six 113 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 2: impossible episodes ghost Story Edition. So yeah, if you were 114 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: one of the folks who suggested one of these things 115 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: several years ago, sorry it took so long. These were 116 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: very fun and made me think of other things. Yeah, 117 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 2: the story of Resurrection Mary immediately made me think, even 118 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 2: though the scenario is not quite the same of The 119 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: Great Gatsby, Oh yeah, right, sure, since now I'm blanking 120 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: on the character's name, but Ala Fisher played her in 121 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: the movie gets hit by the car as everything is 122 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: reaching its climax, and I was like, I wonder if 123 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: those informed each other at all? 124 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? 125 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are also a lot of other ghosts stories, 126 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: Like we mentioned the vanishing hitchhiker or urban legend, but 127 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: there are a lot of other named ghosts that are 128 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: you know, the ghost of someone who was killed in 129 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: a car crash or something similar who tries to hitch 130 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: a ride with somebody and disappears at one of several places, 131 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: the place that they died, the place they were buried, their. 132 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: Home, any of those. 133 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: The reason I wound up putting make a Light on 134 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: here was initially just like that was a story I 135 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: heard a lot when I was a kid. And one 136 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: of the reasons that I heard it a lot was 137 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: I had this drama teacher who was the drama teacher 138 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: at my high school and also the director for the 139 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: summer theater program that I did, and with our summer productions, 140 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: there would usually be a day at the very very 141 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: end of the program where like, uh, this was part 142 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: of like a summer enrichment program that the school system did, 143 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: and so there would be a day toward the end 144 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 2: where uh, like we were already doing our performances, so 145 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: we weren't really doing rehearsals anymore. Right, we had rehearsed, 146 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: you know, we were going to have a show that evening. 147 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: We're not going to have a rehearsal, but we were 148 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: because this was a you know, a school the school 149 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: system enrichment program, like we were still expected to be 150 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: there during the day, and so we would just have 151 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: this day that we sort of took care of chores 152 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: around the theater and hung out, and uh, the teacher, 153 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: whose name was Maggie Griffin, would tell us her story 154 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 2: is about the Maco Light. 155 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: Oh I remember. I remember no details of the Mago 156 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: Lights story. 157 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: All I remember is like how excited we would be 158 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: about when it was time to hear about the Maco Light. 159 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 2: And it was like, uh, you know, we were all 160 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: very excited about being in the play. We were all 161 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 2: theater kids, like that's we were very into the performance 162 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 2: part of it. But like also a bonus side effect 163 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: of like these last days of our summer theater program 164 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: was like getting to hear the Maco Light story, which 165 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: I'm still like, yeah, I don't remember. I remember zero. 166 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: Details about that. I believe firmly that Disney imagineers were 167 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: very familiar with both the Rotherwood story and the Larnux story. 168 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when they wrote the story. Sorry for the 169 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: Disneyland Paris version of Haunted Mansion. Okay, First of all, 170 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: the family name associated with it is not Rotherwood but Ravenswood, Okay, 171 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: and it features a daughter who has people suitors who 172 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: mysteriously die the story there in the I really really 173 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: love the way Disneyland Paris marries the story of the 174 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: Haunted Mansion with the story of their Big Thunder Mountain, 175 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: which is that the man who struck it rich with 176 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: Big Thunder Mountain in a gold strike then built the 177 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: mansion and he has since died and it's his ghost 178 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: theoretically killing all of these suitors or husbands, and she 179 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: walks around in her wedding dress looking for her lost groom. 180 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: And so I was like, oh, this is a lot 181 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: of overlap with these specific stories. Yeah, I do not 182 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: mind the factual discrepancies between the you know the ghost story, 183 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: uh and like when there is you know, actual fact 184 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: that it was based on, Like I don't, I don't 185 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: mind those factual discrepancies. I did not know the part 186 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: about the MAGO, like the real the real accident that 187 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: has so many things in common with the MAGO like 188 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: ghost story, And I'm just assuming that like that real 189 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: accident sort of informed that ghost story and like got 190 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: sort of people messed up details along the way, and 191 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: like the messed up detail version got off, but like 192 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: I did not. Yeah, I was not aware when I. 193 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: Sort of put this on the list due to my 194 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: own nostalgia that I was going to wind up reading 195 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 2: about an actual like there really was an actual train 196 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: accent accident that had some similarities with it. You mentioned 197 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: that if you were spending your first night in a 198 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: purportedly very haunted mansion, you would do things differently. 199 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: What would you do? Hey, y'all, let's be friends. You 200 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: don't have to leave me alone week and hang show 201 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: me cool stuff in the house. That'd be great. I 202 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: just you know, they'll be like raccoons, but ghosts. It'll 203 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: be the same way. Okay, that works out. Help me 204 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: get dressed. It'll be fun. We'll be we'll be buddies. 205 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, I enjoyed working on these ghost stories. I'm 206 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: glad that we also have ideas for potential future installments 207 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: on haunted hotels and then maybe also ghost towns. I 208 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: didn't look enough into the ghost towns to see how 209 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: many of the ghost towns have ghost stories right attached 210 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: to them. I just put them all on a list 211 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: that that says ghost town. So maybe we'll see at 212 00:12:55,400 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: some point in the future. So I hope everybody has 213 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: had a good Friday, and I hope whatever's coming up 214 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: for your weekend is great. We will be back with 215 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 2: a Saturday Classic tomorrow. We will have brand new episodes 216 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: next week. Stuff you Missed in History Class is a 217 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 2: production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the 218 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 219 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: favorite shows.