1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 3: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 4: We are a sibling Railvalr No, no, sibling. You don't 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 4: do that with your mouth, Vely. 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: That's good. 8 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 5: So what's up? I mean, I'm here so much to 9 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 5: talk about. 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: We're going to get into that because I want to 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: do an episode just you and I I know, which 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: I think we should. 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 5: Actually be doing more people like that. Yeah, because we 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 5: could just talk shit. 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 3: Just worry about this podcasting. What do you mean I 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 3: think it's ruining my life. 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: Let's say yeah, okay, great, yeah, let's talk about our 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: next guest. 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 5: Okay. So, so. 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: I am a Glee and I'm a Glee lvely Alum. 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: I played Cassandra July actually, honestly one of the most 22 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: fun characters I've played because she was so mean. 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: And a dance teacher. 24 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 25 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: I was a dance dance teacher and I taught Liam Michelle. 26 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: She was my student, and I just it was really nasty. 27 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: It was fun and we had fun Lee and I 28 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: had switched Fun, but I didn't get to work with Jenna, 29 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: who we askwitz super talented, really interesting, very interesting upbringing 30 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: which we will get into, and is very committed to 31 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: Broadway producing on Broadway, but has a great life story. 32 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, adopted, adopted, and we'll get in. Yeah, 33 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: we'll get we won't we'll get into. You know. 34 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: We sometimes we have a problem with these intros where 35 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: we kind of tell everything before. Yah, that's why we're 36 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: trying to not to. 37 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 1: But I will say that the Glee community. 38 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 5: It's still going strong, still strong. 39 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: It's wild and people rewatch and like young kids, you know, 40 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: it has like these secondary lives. Young kids, they get 41 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: introduced to Glee and then they get obsessed with it. 42 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: Well that was kind of cool, but I don't know 43 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: it's cool or not cool. Actually with streaming nowadays, I 44 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: mean you look at suits, you look at all these 45 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: shows that all of a sudden get put on streaming 46 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 3: and bang they're popular again. 47 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, they like they Austin clak On two years ago, Ollie, 48 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 5: are you famous again? 49 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: I was famous again for when I was twenty two 50 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 3: years old. I had people come up to me like, 51 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: oh got Dawson's Creek and I want the fun And 52 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: then I realized that it was put on some stream 53 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: it was Netflix or whatever, I. 54 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: Know, and then they kind of switch like, yeah, Sex 55 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: and the City is on something right now. I was 56 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: looking at something in the City was on something, and 57 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: I was like, isn't that HBO? 58 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 5: But it was on Well, they all get licensed out. 59 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 5: Also confusing. 60 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm in the business and I'm confused. 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 5: So just you actually have that that would be a 62 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 5: good revel in. 63 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: It is to well to like get, you know, to 64 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: talk about the state of the business, like talk to 65 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: an expert of. 66 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 5: Like, you know, Hollywood, Bob Iger. Well, yes, I would love. 67 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: To have Bob on the show, but like I but 68 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: I mean more like someone who really really understands the 69 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: ins and outs of like the business, like. 70 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 5: A variety reporters, right, you know what about Jesse Iherman. 71 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: I mean that could be interesting. He's at Warner Brothers. Yeah, 72 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: he's executive Warner Brothers. But someone on the outside looking in. 73 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: This is a This is a boring intro for people. Guys, 74 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: don't tune out. I'm just we're thinking out loud. But no, 75 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to talk to Jenna and I don't 76 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: hear a story and I believe they just started. She 77 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: has a podcast with Kevin where they rewatched Lee and 78 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: they talk about it and they're just starting the season. 79 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 5: That I was in. Oh good, yeah, well. 80 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 3: Perfect, let's bring her in, Let's bring her up. 81 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 5: All right, let's do this right. 82 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: How are you? 83 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: How are you good? Thank you good? 84 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 5: What's going on? 85 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: Not too much, just. 86 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: Just doing doing the podcast thing? 87 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: All right? Are we all doing the podcast thing? 88 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: Who isn't? But I like I like your podcast. I 89 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: like so you guys, so you and and Kevin rewatching 90 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: the whole thing. 91 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 6: Yes we are. We're up to your season right now. 92 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 6: We are on season four. Very exciting. 93 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: What's it like reliving. 94 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 6: It's strange and cathartic and therapeutic all at the same time. 95 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 6: I think there's been enough time now and having lived 96 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 6: through a pandemic and becoming a mother, and you know, 97 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 6: all of these different things, like there's enough time and 98 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 6: space away from it that I feel like I'm watching 99 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 6: it from a fans perspective instead of all of the 100 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,119 Speaker 6: you know, all the baggage that came with the show. 101 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: The drama. Yeah, it was a very dramatic set. Well, 102 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, when you've got all of those personalities and 103 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: all those all of those, all that talent and all that. 104 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: Use you know, a lot of hormones, Yes, lot of hormones. 105 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 5: Definitely, it's useful. Young. 106 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: Yes, do you have to do? 107 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 3: You have to watch what you say, you know, because 108 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: obviously you can't expose and reveal everything. 109 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 5: So how do you manage? Yes, you can. Don't be 110 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 5: like me. 111 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: We don't we. 112 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 6: We really, you know, I say to Kevin a lot. Look, 113 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 6: that's not our story to tell. I tell it from 114 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 6: my perspective, his perspective. We try to be kind about 115 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 6: it because I will be honest, like, we were all 116 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 6: very close, and yes, we all have our squabbles and 117 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 6: there's all things, but we really were a family and 118 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 6: it was easier to get along than it wasn't so 119 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 6: as dramatic as it as it was. 120 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: And I'm so that's so interesting thing you say that, Kate. 121 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: There was just there's so. 122 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 6: Many moving parts of our show and so many cast 123 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 6: members and so many personalities. 124 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: I think it's because you guys were so close, you know, 125 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: and the show was so huge, so you're all this 126 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: like young little family and then of course inside of it, 127 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: it's like, yes, you know, you're gonna have like all 128 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: the stuff that comes with it. The other thing is 129 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: you had extraordinary talent on that show. 130 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: It's true. 131 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, there's a reason why 132 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: very talented people can be sometimes challenging people to work with, 133 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: because they can be uncompromising. They really believe in themselves, 134 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: they know what they have to offer, and so you know, 135 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: you get that all of that in one room and 136 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: it's there's gonna be some you know, fun drama. That's right. 137 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 6: We were working hard too, and you got to see 138 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 6: a little bit of the machine in the way it 139 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 6: worked and how much how much time we really did 140 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 6: spend together. I mean we saw each other more than 141 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 6: we saw our own families, so there was a lot 142 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 6: of that dynamic too. 143 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: We were so close. 144 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 6: And I was just doing this other podcast where I 145 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 6: was talking about people learning how to advocate for themselves. 146 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 6: I think it's an interesting line between being taken advantage 147 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 6: of advocating yourself and coming across. 148 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: As a diva. 149 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 6: And I think as a woman in this industry, we 150 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 6: can come across as really strong and that could be 151 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 6: perceived differently than the way we. 152 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: Hoped it would. So I think there was also an 153 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: element of that as well. 154 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and you have to learn through 155 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: the experiences where you wish maybe it was set up differently. Yeah, 156 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, like I myself had an experience one time, 157 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: not in a film experience, but more of a business 158 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: experience where it wasn't even a business thing. It was 159 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: like I started this thing with a friend of mine 160 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: for charity purposes, and it was kind of taken from 161 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: us because we didn't dot our eyes and cross our teas, 162 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: we didn't approach it in a certain way. We were young, 163 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: and ye know, we were sort of naive to that, 164 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: and so you kind of have to you a choice. 165 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: You either learn from that mistake and move on and 166 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: let it go, or you hold on to it forever 167 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: and ever and you create you know, waves around it. 168 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm the first one. You know. For me, 169 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: it's like you learn you can see it, and you 170 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: just never do that again and then advise others. You know, Jenna, 171 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: why don't you explain kind of what you're talking about 172 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: in terms of Yeah. 173 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 6: I mean, I think in the sense ofly what I 174 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 6: was referring to is there was a lot of time 175 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 6: this was like a new format for people the show 176 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 6: was never done before. There was a musical element, there 177 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 6: were tours, there were huge guest stars like yourself, like, 178 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 6: there were just a lot of things flying at us. 179 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 6: And then you add in the element of time, and 180 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 6: we're working fifteen eighteen hour days, five days a week 181 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 6: and then doing. 182 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: All this other stuff on the weekends and pressed. 183 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 6: So because it was a new format, like I think, 184 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 6: everybody was just figuring it out, and so therefore a 185 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 6: lot of the time was like, well, you guys are 186 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 6: in every scene, you. 187 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: Also have to record. 188 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 6: You also have to learn how to dance, do these 189 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 6: dance routines, and then shoot them the next day. And 190 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 6: so there was a lot of opportunity to be taken 191 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 6: advantage of in a. 192 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: Way where even sad like you know, they didn't. 193 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 6: Know what was going on, Like you can just say like, 194 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 6: I'm exhausted, I have a herniated disc in my back, 195 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 6: I'm being told I have to work. And there has 196 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 6: to be a time where nobody knows how to say 197 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 6: no except for yourself. And so when you're saying no 198 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 6: on a set in our industry, it's not really like 199 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 6: heard of. You become expendable in a way where they 200 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 6: say like, Okay, then we'll find somebody else we will 201 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 6: say Yes. There were particular people that, in a really 202 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 6: diplomatic way, knew how to say I'm not doing that 203 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 6: and like didn't really get in trouble for it, Like 204 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 6: I think there's a way to do it. Whereas for me, 205 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 6: if I was too scared to even say that, So 206 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 6: it took a long time for me to learn how 207 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 6: to how to do that in a way that people 208 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 6: will respect you and don't try to fire you. 209 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, where it's under where it's understanding, there is a 210 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: way to do it too, where it is where you 211 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: know they actually like appreciate yeah, and understand where you're 212 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: coming from. 213 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 5: You know. 214 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: I was, I was saying about this the other day 215 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: because in television, I don't think a lot of people 216 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: on the outside understand how grueling the. 217 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 5: Television schedules are. 218 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: You know. The other day, same thing, I worked fourteen 219 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: hours into a sixteen hour day into a fourteen hour day, 220 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: and I was just like I hadn't seen my kids. 221 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: I had, and I was. And it's also like you think, like, oh, 222 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: we're just you know, sitting in a trail. It's like, no, 223 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: you're you're working you're working all day and you know, 224 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: at one point I was in a pool like soaking 225 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: web the middle of the middle of the night, and 226 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: I was like, God, these hours are insane. Yeah, and 227 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: if I'm working that long, then our crew is working along, 228 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: and that to me is even more important because you know, 229 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: if I'm not advocating for myself in my exhaustion, then 230 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm really not advocating for and then you know, and 231 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: our business still we still just Yeah, it's a it's 232 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: a pretty it's a pretty, it's a grind of an 233 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: of a working industry. 234 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: You know, then there are rules and if those rules 235 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: don't sort of change, as long as they work within 236 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 3: the parameters of the rules. 237 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's actually And I'm curious, like on on our 238 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 6: show where you worked, like was it were there really 239 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 6: long days for you or was it a little big Yeah? 240 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was pretty cool. 241 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: Yes, they were very long days, but you know, I 242 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: was you know, I I was just a guest star, 243 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: so you know, but I did get a good sense 244 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: of the energy and everything on that's on the set. 245 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: And I worked with two different directors, three different directors, 246 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: i think, and one who worked really fast, one who 247 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: was more thoughtful in his approach that I really appreciated 248 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: the one who took a little bit longer because he 249 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: was so cinematic. But I could also tell that people 250 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: who were working all the time were just like, oh 251 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: my god, please move, please, can we just go home? 252 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: Because I came in like I came in like this 253 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: is fantastic. This guy's amazing. He was like, oh my god, 254 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: I know, but we just want to get to. 255 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 5: Hearing the grumblings from the crew the hair make go. Yeah, 256 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 5: there was. 257 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: Got our fourteen. What I was surprised by was I 258 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: thought I would have way more time to rehearse the dancing, 259 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: and like I went in, it was like okay, and 260 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: I learned the routine and then we were like shooting 261 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: it the next day and I was like, I haven't danced. 262 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: I know, I hadn't like danced in a long time. 263 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: So I was like, fuck, I'm I'm really it was. 264 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: It was it was like being thrown into the fire 265 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: bit but you know, I don't know, I love it. 266 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: I love being thrown into the fire. And and we 267 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: had such good numbers and it was so great and 268 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: and Brett and Brad was there. I love Brad so 269 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: much fu Yeah, yeah, always looking at always looking out 270 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: just so cares for everybody so much. And that's Brad Feltchek, 271 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: one of the one of the creators of We. 272 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: And yeah answer experience. Just someone knows. I'm an actor too, 273 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 3: And I did a show called Scream Queens with Murphy 274 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: and Felcher. 275 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 5: Hey. 276 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a fun one. 277 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 5: That was fun. That was with Leah Yeah. 278 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: And Emma and oh yeah you were on screen. 279 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 5: It was crazy and Glenn and Glenn. 280 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: Wentworth Stamos was on that one too. 281 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: Rights Jonas on that one. Jonas, Yeah, wow, they're really. 282 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 5: Yeah good, that's so that's that's so fun. And Jamie 283 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 5: Lee Curtis played my love That's oh my god, that's 284 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 5: so funny. 285 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: And the scene and. 286 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 5: The scene and the scene. Yeah, so Jamie. 287 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 3: I broke my ankle like right before shooting, and I 288 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: was actually pretty spelt. 289 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 5: I was like, you know, I was like one seventy eight, 290 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 5: kind of shredded. 291 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: Went went to New Orleans and just ate and drank 292 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: my Yes, saw I have a picture. 293 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: I facetimed Oliver because I was actually about to go 294 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: shoot in New Orleans, right, So I was shooting deep 295 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: water Horizon with Mark Wahlberg and Pope and and you 296 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: were shooting scream queens. But I facetimed Jim and I 297 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: swear to god, I was like, oh no, he looked insane. 298 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 5: Couldn't run anymore. I couldn't. 299 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: He had a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. Yeah, 300 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: and you were drinking. 301 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: I'm drinking, smoking, and fucking all over and I'm tipping 302 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 3: the scales at close to two hundred. 303 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 5: Whoa, that's quick. 304 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: No, I don't know. And I read the last episode, 305 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: not only that, Jamie's supposed to walk in and I 306 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: am in a tiny black speedo with a rose in 307 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 3: my mouth on the bed. 308 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 5: Oh no, And I'm. 309 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: Like, I know, and I was. 310 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 5: Jamie's laughing. 311 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 3: She goes, just go with it. 312 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 5: What are you going to do? 313 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, this is. 314 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 5: Jamie's the best there I was. And you can look 315 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 5: at it online. It's like I just looked like just nice. 316 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 5: Tom My stomach's pouring out everywhere. I've got a road. 317 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 3: I'm my fuck, it just rolled it. 318 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: I guess you know. I think I thought it was great. 319 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: I thought you did great. 320 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 5: You didn't, Yeah, what are you? 321 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: What are you going to do? 322 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, what are you gonna do? 323 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't look anything over one ninety five. 324 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 5: Perfect. 325 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: Well, Jenna, let's get it. We don't we're kind of 326 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: we're not crazy. We could talk about this forever, of course, 327 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: but but let's get into your your story because we 328 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 1: you know, we love unpacking stories about sibling dynamics and 329 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: how he grew up. But you were adopted three months old, 330 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: that's right? 331 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 5: And when. 332 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: Can you kind of give us a like an review 333 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: of your adoption story? 334 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty simple. 335 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 6: So a lot of Korean adoptees were being shipped the US. 336 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 2: During that time. I was born in the eighties and so. 337 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 6: My parents had tried, they had they had my my 338 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 6: mom had my brother. 339 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: Then my parents got together. 340 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 6: So my brothers has a different father than I do, 341 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 6: but they my dad took my brother in basically like 342 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 6: his own, and so they formed their little family. My 343 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 6: mom tried to have another baby and about through a 344 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 6: lot of challenges and infertility. She did, you know, they 345 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 6: just decided to go the adoption route. She had also 346 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 6: always thought about adoption, and so they went down the 347 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 6: adoption route. They were sent this picture. Eventually it was 348 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 6: me in Korea. You don't have to go to Korea 349 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 6: to pick up a baby, They come to you. So 350 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 6: these men in the service were actually coming back to 351 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 6: the States, and so they brought us over. 352 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: Wow. 353 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 6: And I landed at JFK three months old, and my 354 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 6: parents took me home. 355 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: I grew up in New York on Long Island. 356 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 6: My dad is Italian and Russian and my dad sorry Polish, 357 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 6: and my mom is Irish and English, and so we're 358 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 6: like a little bit like the United Nations in our house. 359 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: And that's why I had the name Ushkowitz. 360 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 6: My married name now is Stanley, which is gosh so much. 361 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 5: Did you know? Did they tell you you were adopted? 362 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 5: How did that all go? 363 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 6: I always knew it was something that they shared. It's 364 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 6: not like on friends where they handler like tells the kid. 365 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 366 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: I always knew and. 367 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: Also be pretty obvious exactly. It's not one of those Yeah, 368 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: you're like, why do I why do I look different? 369 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 3: Dad? 370 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 2: Well, the stork brought you, so. 371 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. 372 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 2: I think that was part of it. 373 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 6: But they, you know, they were always very open and honest, 374 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 6: and you know, had answered all the questions, and I 375 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 6: I never felt like. 376 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: Like something was missing. 377 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 6: I think a lot of adoptees, there's this this feeling 378 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,239 Speaker 6: of trying to find yourself in these formative years and 379 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 6: also feeling like they need that part of their story finished, 380 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 6: a told closure. 381 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. I never had that growing. 382 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 5: Down, even curiosity, it's never sort of gotten the best. 383 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 2: Of you as I got older, for sure. 384 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 6: I think being a mother now for sure, but I 385 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 6: don't think back then it was something that plagued me 386 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 6: in any way. 387 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: Did you did you ask did your mom do anything 388 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: like specific that was really important to her when you 389 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: were baby? For bonding? Was she into that? 390 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 5: Like? 391 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: I don't think was she like immediately skin on skin 392 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: and you know, like was there anything that she like, Yeah, okay. 393 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 6: No, she always says like, you know, you came up 394 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 6: the plane, you're a jet lag You kept me up 395 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 6: for a whole week, Like we went the formula route obviously, 396 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 6: and that was it and we bonded eventually. 397 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: I guess. 398 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 6: I was very passionate about the skin on skin for 399 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 6: my daughter, so I totally can't well, I. 400 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: Was thinking about this too, because they have all these 401 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: like things you can do in the water now, especially 402 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: if you adopt a child a baby that kind of 403 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: can re program the brain to think like you're in 404 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: the womb fascinating and so like if you I have 405 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: this thing where I'm like, if you adopt a baby 406 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: and you want to kind of whatever, you know, whether 407 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: it was positive or or anything traumatic, whatever it was, 408 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: but that you can actually reconnect to that feeling for 409 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: them as the connection you know. Yeah, yeah, you can 410 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: actually do it with your own kids. Like like if 411 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: you feel like you might have had one of those 412 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: pregnancies that was very like tumultuous, tumultuous, or you're super 413 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: emotional during pregnancy, or that things like might have been 414 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: traumatic for the for like a uteroe, there's things you 415 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: can do when the baby comes out that can kind 416 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: of reprogram that for them. May say, you know, I 417 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: mean you know this is this is me talking? Who's 418 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: in all this stuff? You basically lay them in the water, 419 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: what you with them? And you hold them? 420 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 5: How old are they? 421 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: Like babies? You know if you go into like a 422 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: warm pool, it should be. 423 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: This idea. 424 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: Well I would do it, of course you would. I 425 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: did it with Bing because yeah, for some reason, I 426 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: had a very emotional, like very kind of high stress 427 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: pregnancy with Bing, and I was so hormonal, and when 428 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: he was when he was little, I got into the 429 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: water with him and I basically held him and then 430 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: I talked to him about being in my belly in 431 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: the wall. So yeah, I talked about him being safe 432 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: and you know, you're so safe. 433 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 5: Here, and yeah, he actually like loved it. 434 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: He remember it. In that kind of stuff, you'd be surprised. 435 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: I even go into his room sometimes and he's got like, 436 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, he tells a Lexit to put on meditation 437 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: music and bing will just be like sitting in his bed, 438 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: just like with his eyes closed. 439 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 2: Cool. 440 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: He's very self regulated. As crazy as these seems on 441 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: the outside, he's very pulated. 442 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 3: So but did you as you got older, did you 443 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 3: have any desire to know where you came from? I'm 444 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 3: only asking because yeah, you know so much. Well, then 445 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: you're dealing with nature. 446 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 2: Nurture exactly exactly. 447 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 5: So who knows. 448 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 3: What percentages nature and nurture in our lives. I think 449 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: a lot of it might be nurture. I don't know, 450 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: but you do have that nature aspect exactly. 451 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 6: I I am that is the one of the only 452 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 6: things that I'm actually, well, that's not true. There's a 453 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 6: couple of things that I'm interested in. As I got older, 454 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 6: there was a point in which I thought, maybe I 455 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 6: do want to do the search. Maybe my one of 456 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 6: my best friends, she's a Korean adoptee, and she found 457 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 6: out at twenty six years old, she was separated from 458 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 6: her twin at birth and they were adopted to two 459 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 6: different families, one in France and one in America. 460 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: They found each other on Facebook. 461 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 6: So through this experience she had, they reached out to 462 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 6: their birth mother with no response. But there's a lot 463 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 6: of things I learned about that, and a lot of 464 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 6: them is that the parents don't come out of the 465 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 6: economic crisis that they were in at the time. And 466 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 6: so there's this whole thing that I thought, what happens 467 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 6: after I if I find them, what what is that relationship? 468 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: What do I want? 469 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: What do I expect from it? 470 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 6: And I think there's that It didn't scare me away, 471 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 6: but it just kind of like pushed me in the 472 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 6: other direction. 473 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: I'm curious what they look like. I'm curious what they did. 474 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: I'm curious that they're musical or. 475 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 6: Yes, I'm curious about the traits and the characteristics because 476 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 6: I would say there's a lot of sim similarities in 477 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 6: my family growing up, and there's a lot of differences. 478 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 6: So it's definitely something that I was interested in, but 479 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 6: not enough, not enough. It's just something that I think 480 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 6: I'll always have these fun questions to ask, wond trouble. 481 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 3: How does it work with like sort of family medical history. 482 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 6: That is also one of the things, like I think 483 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 6: now with the science we have, there's enough where you 484 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 6: can do testing early enough and you know there's enough. 485 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 6: You know, we're just more advanced at this point. But 486 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 6: it is that is the other thing, but you can't. 487 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: Think about doing like twenty three and me. 488 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 6: Okay, so I did it, but I didn't put on 489 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 6: the family thing like I think you can. 490 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 2: Toggle the family. 491 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 6: I think I kind of ignored it and I went 492 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 6: because that's how a lot of people are finding siblings 493 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 6: and family members. 494 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, tell us about it, people that they don't. 495 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 5: We have so many relatives. Yeah we figured a couple. 496 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, No, I did. 497 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 6: I did the twenty and three and me just to 498 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 6: see if there was any other anything else in my 499 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 6: background that I should know about. And at one point, uh, 500 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 6: this was early on, I had Japanese and I was like, oh, 501 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 6: my god, one of my parents had to be like 502 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 6: half Japanese. And then I got a letter recently that 503 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 6: was like we've updated the system and the data was wrong. 504 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 6: Now going around telling people like you're not our Japanese, 505 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 6: it's really cool. 506 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: Part I think you were. What did they say you 507 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: were half Japanese or quarter? 508 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 6: It was like a it was enough to. 509 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 2: Be it was like thirty percent. So one of my 510 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: friend at least half right, Yeah, does. 511 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: It come up like I know, because like there's like 512 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: Danny Danny's Japanese. My partner my he's half Japanese half Irish, 513 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: but it came up for him that he has you 514 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: cout and it's I guess it's like a I don't 515 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: even know what it's like interesting, a nast East Asian. 516 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, maybe I was the one who had no, 517 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: I have two points East Asian. So I think it's 518 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: which means you with too does it say you're I 519 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: think it is you. I don't know, it's a try. 520 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: Oh it's like you coot, but I think it's like 521 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: might be among it might be more Mongolian. I got 522 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: to look at you it, but no, I didn't have 523 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: any times you have some of it. Yeah, okay, you're 524 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: just You're just straight up Korean. 525 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: They swapped the story on me. 526 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: So so you you ended up producing this show, right, 527 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: this documentary about your friends and what? So what happened 528 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: with that? Did they they found each other? 529 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: But they did? 530 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: They did. 531 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 6: They found each other. The documentary documents them actually meeting 532 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 6: for the first time. It's very charming and cute. They are, 533 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,239 Speaker 6: without a doubt identical. They did the test just to 534 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 6: make sure, and you know, they left a letter for 535 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 6: their mother saying like we love you, we forgive you, 536 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 6: and they are. They're both thriving, one of them in 537 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 6: France still, the other lives here. 538 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: They've got families now, they're still best friends. They talk 539 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: every day. 540 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 6: It's interesting because the French one and I, she's she 541 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 6: was an only child growing up, and she felt like 542 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 6: there was something missing and she always felt like she 543 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 6: was missing Sam. 544 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: And Sam is the American one. 545 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 6: Who grew up with two older brothers in New Jersey 546 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 6: and so never quite felt the same way that and 547 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 6: I used did, And so it was interesting from the 548 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 6: perspective of the way that they grew up with or 549 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 6: without siblings and how they felt that affected them emotionally. 550 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 5: Does one have a New Jersey accent and one French? 551 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 6: Yes, Sam's is not quite as New Jersey, but yes 552 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 6: in French. 553 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: And she speaks English too, so that's good but awesome. 554 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: So did you grow up with your old with your 555 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: older brother? Did you grow up with him? Yes? 556 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 3: Okay, how's that relate? How was that relationship just super 557 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 3: brothers sister? Like there's nothing different about No. 558 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 6: Truly, he's nine years older than me, so the age 559 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 6: difference was so large that like there wasn't a lot. 560 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: For us to argue about. We were never competitive. 561 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 6: He really took me in as like his little baby, 562 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 6: and we've been close ever since I can remember. And yeah, 563 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 6: we're still really close now. Like it's a pretty amazing 564 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 6: relationship that I feel very lucky to have. 565 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 3: So as far as performing goes, and you sort of 566 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 3: touched upon this about wondering if your true biological parents 567 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 3: were in the arts or had some sort of creativity. 568 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 3: I mean, was this just something that was organic and 569 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 3: natural and you were just talented, right, I mean? Or 570 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 3: was this something that you were passionate and worked on 571 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 3: you know, I guess, meaning how much is this coming 572 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 3: from just pure raw talent. 573 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 6: Well, that's a good question. That's the question I grew up. 574 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 6: I started when I was three, and so it's hard 575 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 6: to say. I was doing commercials and you know, print 576 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 6: ads my whole life. And then I booked a Broadway 577 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 6: show when I was nine, and so it was like, 578 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 6: I don't even think I had the time to figure 579 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 6: out if that was something that was just in me 580 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 6: or that I loved. I was a really charismatic kid, 581 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 6: and I was an extrovert and I would go up 582 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 6: to other people and say hi, and I was just 583 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 6: never afraid of anybody. And so my parents were like 584 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 6: everybody said, just put her in modeling, like let her go, 585 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,239 Speaker 6: get her energy out and you know, be cute. And 586 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 6: so it was like being around it, I felt like, 587 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 6: I don't know, it was like this big tumbleweed that 588 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 6: kept growing and I just wanted to do more. 589 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 590 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 6: I mean, I guess it could be fostered because obviously, 591 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 6: like you spend enough time doing something, probably gonna get 592 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 6: pretty good at it. 593 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: Are your adopted parents are they creative or are they 594 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: like no, yeah, oh yeah, okay, so there were I mean, 595 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: everybody's creative, but you know what I mean, you know, 596 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: they don't. 597 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 6: They don't express themselves in that way, and so I 598 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 6: mean really not at all. 599 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: So funny, it's really interesting. They enjoyed it, They enjoyed 600 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: the arts. 601 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 6: They always took my brother and I to see shows 602 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 6: and do things, and so they enjoyed being patrons of it. 603 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 6: But I don't they weren't themselves expressive in that way. 604 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, So I mean, and you're and do either 605 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: of them sing? Is there any hiss? No? 606 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: No, no, not a not a scoach, not a thing. 607 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how you can do that. I would 608 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: want to know so bad, I know, right. 609 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 5: Curiosity would definitely. 610 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 3: Well, maybe not meeting like I know what you're saying, yeah, 611 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: meeting them. I mean, there's there's a whole other sort 612 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 3: of world around that, but at least just knowing, Okay, 613 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 3: here's who they are, Here's who they were. 614 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 5: You know dad was and was an opera singer. Oh shit, 615 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 5: well that was. 616 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 2: Our makes sense right, And. 617 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: Our story with our adopted brother. We we found out 618 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: we had an adopted brother like eight years ago. Wow, yeah, 619 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: and he was put up for adoption and none of 620 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: us knew on my on my on our dad's side, 621 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: and so yeah, when he reached out to us, it 622 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: was like wild. And when I spoke with him, one 623 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: of the things Paul said was, you know, he never 624 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: he had a great childhood and like has a really 625 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: like full happy life and never felt like he had 626 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: to reach out and find out who his birth parents were. 627 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: It was really his wife who was like, I want 628 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: to know, like what your history is. I want to know, 629 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, for our kids, for you, and so he's 630 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: he basically left it up to hers, like, if you 631 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: want to find this out going right, she figured it out. 632 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 5: She did. 633 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 6: So what and have you gotten it to know him 634 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 6: enough that you maybe there's the nature versus nurture thing 635 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 6: you could understand a little bit. 636 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 5: We haven't really gotten to know very well basically though. 637 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like it looks like a Hudson Okay, Yeah, 638 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: I mean definitely looks like he'd be like to me, Yeah, 639 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 1: and but no, I mean he loves to fish. 640 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 5: I'm a big fish. 641 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're very creative athletic. Yeah, I mean it 642 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: definitely fits into the whole. 643 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 5: Musically, you know, Hudson's are very musical. I don't know about. 644 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: Him, Okay, I was talking about Oliver I did. I 645 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: did a big one of my first kind of bigger 646 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: interviews for my album that's coming out. Yeah, and and 647 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: and we're talking about the Hudson lineage. I said, you 648 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: know all of the Hudson's like, and I was like, yeah, 649 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: Oliver you're talking about I was like, he's got a 650 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: great false setto talent. I go, and you know what? 651 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: But then I saw myself and that was being funny, 652 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, you know what, Oliver can 653 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 1: write lyrics for days talking about lyrics. 654 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 3: I don't think. 655 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 5: I don't think you'll give me enough credit. 656 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 2: Where'd you want a musical TV? 657 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, don't give credit. 658 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 3: I can. I can given the right you know, production, 659 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 3: I can crush something. Yeah. 660 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 5: No, I've never heard we were, but I can. Also, 661 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 5: it was the show you did where you play the. 662 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 3: Rock star my guy to becoming a rock Star. 663 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, album before anybody. 664 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: We listened to it over Thanksgiving and Oliver, you saw 665 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: a little production you're chilling about it was so funny. Yeah, 666 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: So back to that, back to our our brother and 667 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: it is. It is interesting to kind of find out 668 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: where all of those things come from, that sort of 669 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: feel like you know, why you connect to certain things 670 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 1: and then yeah, realizing that. 671 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 5: No, no, but I guess it's the flip side too. 672 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 3: It's like, by the way, bar who gives a hit Like, okay, fine, great, 673 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 3: I am what I am? 674 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 5: Who fucking cares? 675 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 676 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. 677 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 2: We always want answers, you know, and one wanted to 678 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 2: make sense. 679 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, especially when you're dealing with you know, like 680 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 3: mental health or anxiety or certain things that you feel 681 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 3: where they feel irrational and you don't know where they 682 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 3: come from. You're like, oh shit, well, is this a 683 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 3: part of just me and my makeup? Or is this 684 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 3: an environmental situation? You know, I mean maybe in that world. 685 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 5: Yeah. 686 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, you started co founded a foundation called Kindred. 687 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: Is this still going? 688 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 2: It's not. It's dormant. At the moment. 689 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 6: We Samini the American twin you know, on the heels 690 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 6: of Twinsters, felt like adoptees were reaching out to them 691 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 6: looking for guidance and support and people a lot of 692 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 6: them going on their birth searches, and we didn't want 693 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 6: to reinvent the wheel. There's so many amazing organizations out 694 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 6: there for adopt you know, adoption, but for the adoptee itself, 695 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 6: it feels like the support is lacking, and so we 696 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 6: decided to start something. We tried to kind of navigate 697 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 6: it as you know, like nonprofits are a full time job. 698 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: And that's it's a business in itself. It's like running 699 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: it's you're running a business. 700 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 2: You really are for very little. 701 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 6: My natural payoff, and you know, it's really, really, really hard. 702 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 6: So we we really enjoyed the time and connecting with 703 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 6: the people we did, just because there's a lot of 704 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 6: everybody's story is so different and unique, and so we 705 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 6: wanted to kind of be there for them and we 706 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 6: did it during the time. 707 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: It was during that process. Did you when that was happening, 708 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: did you feel like, oh God, should I be reach Yes. 709 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 6: That was the time and when it really hit its 710 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 6: peak of like am I going to do this search? 711 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 6: I'm thinking about it? It felt like if I if 712 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 6: I wasn't doing it and I was giving advice to 713 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 6: all these other adoptees, it felt like I don't know 714 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 6: who am I to give them advice? But again, it 715 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 6: was like I had to remind myself that everybody's story 716 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 6: is so different and you don't have to be like 717 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 6: everybody else. 718 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 2: So I think. 719 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 6: It it kind of peaked and then declined from there 720 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 6: of just understanding like a lot of these kids, they 721 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 6: you know, adoptees, found parents or a parent or us 722 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 6: sibling and didn't quite get the result that they were 723 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 6: hoping for, get the answers they were hoping for, the 724 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 6: feelings that they were hoping for. So I think that 725 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 6: also kind of gave me some answers and like closure 726 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 6: in the hole. 727 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 2: But you know, like I have a daughter now, and 728 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah. 729 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 5: Keep going with your daughter. 730 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 3: I do I want to talk to you about having 731 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 3: kids and what that means to you. You feel about 732 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 3: all that. 733 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,479 Speaker 6: Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, No, I mean it wasn't until 734 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 6: about four months after she was born. 735 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 2: Then my husband actually brought it. 736 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 6: He's like, this is your first blood relative, and you're like, 737 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 6: that's crazy, Like. 738 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 2: I didn't even dawn on me. 739 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 6: But I was very connected to her from the beginning, 740 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 6: and I think partially I subconsciously knew that, and it 741 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 6: was a really it's really special and really earth chattering 742 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 6: for me. And so I think about like if she 743 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 6: wants answers later and there's you know, by the time 744 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 6: she's grown I'm sure there's going to be a lot 745 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 6: of facility to find fine things. Obviously, my parents, you know, 746 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 6: wouldn't be alive at the time, but you know, I 747 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 6: think she could find out information, and so if she 748 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 6: wants to do that, she's obviously more than welcome. That's 749 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 6: her right as well. But it's definitely something that she 750 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 6: was another element to make me think about finding out 751 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 6: some more information, especially help you. 752 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you said that servicemen would and women would 753 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 3: take the babies, take the adoptees to the States. So 754 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 3: they'd just. 755 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 5: Be like, God, damn it, I'm on this. I got 756 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 5: this duty like. 757 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 3: Ten times little baby take like little babies on the plane, 758 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,240 Speaker 3: these like services. 759 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 5: That's kind of how it worked. 760 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they were returning to the States to 761 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 6: come home, and I think that they had given this 762 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 6: duty to bring these babies. They're like, I don't know 763 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 6: if there are dads or what, but they they And 764 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 6: I threw up on myself on the way you did. 765 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 6: I threw up all over myself, all over the guy, 766 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 6: I think, And it was a long light. 767 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 2: It's like twenty three outs. 768 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. 769 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 3: There's a short docu series or or some sort of 770 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 3: a thing and like returning the babies. 771 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 5: That's crazy. I worked. 772 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: I worked with this wonderful director on on Truth Be Told, 773 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: who was one of the babies that were coming over 774 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: from Vietnam during the war, where there's like pictures of 775 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: them on these cargo planes. Wow, and there's just oh 776 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: my god, she's one of the ones, one of those 777 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: babies and came to the States adopted and pretty, I 778 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: mean wild. 779 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know, Jenkins gets you know, finally gets home. 780 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 3: It's like I got a six month leave and like. 781 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: Jenkins say, baby to take you got to you. 782 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 5: Got to Jenkins. It's a great name. What do you 783 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 5: mean I got to bring back two babies? 784 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 2: Love a flight. 785 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 5: Up. Yeah. 786 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 787 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 6: And then there's like the time in between two where 788 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 6: I had a foster mom, like in this agency where 789 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 6: they take care of you between the time you're given 790 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 6: up and then the time that you're being sent to America. 791 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 6: So strange, I have no memory of it. 792 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,399 Speaker 1: How long? 793 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 5: How long are you with the fosters? 794 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,800 Speaker 6: As long as I think you are like your parent 795 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,360 Speaker 6: or it was three months for MEA's however long like 796 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 6: I think that they find a family fore or wired. 797 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: So, Jenna, what are you up to now? What do 798 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: you what do you have on your plate? 799 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 5: Your baby girl. 800 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm momming pretty hard right now. She's almost two. 801 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 6: So we're in the thick of it. And we're doing 802 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 6: the podcast, which is great. I can do it from home, 803 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 6: pop in and out. We're doing I've been doing a 804 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 6: little bit of like nonprofit work surprise surprise for these 805 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 6: this incredible organization called Harvest Home that houses a pregnant 806 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 6: homeless woman takes them into provide support. So we're doing 807 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 6: a little benefit charity like performance coming up. So we've 808 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 6: been doing that as well. And yeah, and then just 809 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 6: kind of surviving in this dank industry. 810 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 5: Oh no, I mean tell me about it. 811 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 1: I know. 812 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 3: I have a producing deal, so that's been very fun 813 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 3: for me just selling shows. But I'm not making any 814 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 3: money doing it. But from a creative standpoint, it's so fun. 815 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,240 Speaker 3: The outlet is great. 816 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 5: But yeah, that's dank. I mean I need money than 817 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like, it's like talking to 818 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 5: my agents every day. 819 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 3: Is there anything going on? 820 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 6: Answer now, They're like, you've been out for everything that 821 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 6: there's to be out for. 822 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,720 Speaker 5: You're like, trust me, we're on it. We're on it exactly. 823 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 5: It's crazy, but. 824 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 6: I you know, I will say, like it's a it's 825 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 6: actually a weird gift at the same time, like I 826 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 6: you know, she's so young right now, and like it's 827 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 6: you know, it's like the pandemic. You would just have 828 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 6: this like kind of scary time but also time that 829 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:18,919 Speaker 6: I think you can't get back. 830 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 3: So yes, that's the blessing. 831 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know that these that the first three 832 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: years is so important. Like I was so grateful that 833 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: that the shutdown and everything happened when Ronnie was in 834 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: that time because yea, she got all of literally all 835 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: of me. I was working, I wasn't I was home 836 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: the whole. I mean, it was so great. It was 837 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: so great totally. 838 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 2: I feel that. 839 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was so awesome talking to you and 840 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,399 Speaker 1: having a little glee was great. 841 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 5: Thanks for your story. Here's what I got out of this. 842 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 3: I'm going to take my oldest sixteen year old son 843 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 3: and draw bath and see if he wants to sort 844 00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 3: of reconnect with Dan. 845 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: You have to take them in the pool. It's got 846 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: to be the pool because you need to full. 847 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 2: I wonder what I'll say, you just feel like. 848 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: They're floating, Okay, I'll bring and then you kind of 849 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: move them like you move them in this sort of 850 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: like like you're rocking right. 851 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 4: Instead of the womb is like back into my nuts. 852 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Thank you, God, thanks thanks really 853 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,439 Speaker 1: good to you. Thank you. 854 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 5: Bye. 855 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: Oh that was so fun. 856 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 5: It was so it was so fun to reconnect. 857 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's great. Yeah, I don't know after I asked 858 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: for that. I want her to find out who I 859 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: want to know, I know, I want to Yeah. So wild, 860 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, what a what a wild thing to 861 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 1: think that that was that your origin story was like 862 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 1: go flying twenty one hours to United seen. 863 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 5: Some stranger with the serviceman. You know. Then it begs 864 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 5: the question, yeah, what does it all mean? 865 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 3: Well, you know they talk about you talk about you know, 866 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 3: child and trauma or when it's really really young like that. 867 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 3: But think about her journey and think about how stable 868 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 3: she is, you know, with her parents and now she 869 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 3: was raised. So did those first three or four months, 870 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 3: I mean imagine flying with some strange you don't know, 871 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,439 Speaker 3: going to a foster place, ba da da da? Did 872 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 3: it inherently it didn't really affect her? 873 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 5: I guess I guess she felt comforted, safe. 874 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I know, I don't know, but 875 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: it is. 876 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 5: It is. 877 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,239 Speaker 3: My point is is you don't have to truly love 878 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 3: your kids until they're four months. 879 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 5: You heard it here that had all of ourselves never 880 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 5: loved your kid. 881 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: That was great, though, wh