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Speaker 1: From the Berkshars to the sound from wherever you live

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Speaker 1: in MLB America. This is Inside the Parker. You give

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Speaker 1: us twenty two minutes and we'll give you the scoop

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Speaker 1: on major League Baseball. Now. Here's Baseball Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: voter number seven, Rob Parker.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Rob Parker, and man, what a postseason

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Speaker 3: edition of Inside the Parker we have for you coming up.

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Speaker 3: Before Justin Burlander was scratched from the postseason roster, we

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Speaker 3: sat down and talked to JV about his career, about

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Speaker 3: pitching in the postseason, and of course we'll discuss the

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Speaker 3: depth of baseball icon Pete Rose, Keith O'Brien and author

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Speaker 3: who wrote the definitive book called Charlie Hustle to layout

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Speaker 3: a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of good information.

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Speaker 3: They will do that. It's October, it's the best time

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Speaker 3: for baseball.

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Speaker 1: Let's go better to lead it's getting runned and keep

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Speaker 1: them mind. Rob's hot take on the three biggest stories

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Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 3: All right, before we get to my postseason picks, I

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Speaker 3: want to take you back to before the season started.

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Speaker 3: MLB Network MLB Now with Brian Kenny and listen to

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Speaker 3: my prediction about both last year's World Series teams and

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Speaker 3: their fortunes for the twenty twenty four season.

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Speaker 1: On last year's World Series teams, this is none sense.

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Speaker 4: Come on, Diamondbacks and Rangers.

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Speaker 1: You're saying, what will not nt make the playoffs? Neither

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Speaker 1: one will make the play not even make the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: I know I'm patting myself on the back, but you

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Speaker 3: gotta admit that is a hot take. To say that

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Speaker 3: the two teams that were in the World Series in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three would not NT make the playoffs is

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Speaker 3: a stepping out there and it took the last.

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Speaker 2: Day to see, but I got there.

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Speaker 3: All right. Here we go my twenty twenty four MLB

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Speaker 2: Let's start in the American League.

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Speaker 3: I'm going with an upset the Tigers over the Astros.

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Speaker 3: gets it done for the Tigers. Also, the Orioles over

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Speaker 3: the Royals. Great year for the Royals. They went from

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Speaker 3: I'm going to take the Orioles. Then I have the

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Speaker 3: and it's not a great matchup going with the Padres

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Speaker 3: But they are the Braves. I give them credit for

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Speaker 3: ninety nine World Series, the Yankees over the Padres. If

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Speaker 3: We're so good all right, Now, let's welcome into the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Justin Berlin of course right handed for the Houston Ashell. Justin,

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Speaker 4: No problem, Thanks for having me, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about this team first. Most people wrote it

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Speaker 3: off the first half of the season, things weren't going well.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it starts with the culture of

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Speaker 4: Uh, We've been very fortunate, uh uh to to have

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Speaker 4: And I don't think that's a mistake. I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: And I think it's just it's just it just breeds

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Speaker 4: No, No, there is definitely something to it, you know.

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Speaker 4: I think culture is just kind of one of those uh,

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Speaker 4: You know, you talked about early on in this season,

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Speaker 4: We're not We're not shying away from the position we

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Speaker 3: You guys, you've won two World Series with this franchise.

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Speaker 3: Uh does this team feel like a team that has everything,

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Speaker 4: I mean absolutely, you know, But I mean I think

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Speaker 4: You know, I think some of these young guys stepping

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Speaker 3: No do our guest is justin verlanda joining us on

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Speaker 3: inside the parker justin Obviously I've saw you when you

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Speaker 3: I can't believe you're forty one now, and and I'm

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Speaker 3: Have you thought about that and all you've accomplished, because

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Speaker 3: the resume is pretty impressible.

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Speaker 4: But you know, you try to do everything you can

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Speaker 3: And obviously you enjoy it because you wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 2: He's the author of Charlie Hustle.

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Speaker 3: Rose and Keith. Thanks for joining us, and here we

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Speaker 3: No doubt one. Keith O'Brien is our guest. He's an author.

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Speaker 3: He wrote the book Charlie Hustle, which came out this

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Speaker 3: So there was some softening there. But then Pete, as

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Speaker 3: you know, Pete Rose, comes out with a book right

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Speaker 3: after that, after lying for fourteen years saying he didn't

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Speaker 3: do anything, saying he did it, and then I think

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Speaker 3: baseball threw its hands up and that was the end.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I think the problem is with that particular apology

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Speaker 5: don't begrudge anybody from writing a memoir about their life.

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Speaker 5: Certainly Pete was trying to do that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't have the problem with the book.

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Speaker 3: It was the fourteen years of lying, and now you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean, it looked like he was doing

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Speaker 3: the apology for profit.

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Speaker 5: Well, and it was the manner in which the apology

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Speaker 5: was delivered. It's a if you go back and reread

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Speaker 5: that particular book now twenty years old, it's shallow, it's

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Speaker 5: self serving. It half apologizes and then picks a bunch

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Speaker 5: of fights with issues that he had with John Dowd

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Speaker 5: or the investigation, which was just silly and ridiculous and unnecessary,

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Speaker 5: and more importantly, it failed to account for the damage

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Speaker 5: that his lies had done. I mean well into the

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Speaker 5: early two thousand, in polls that were conducted, half of

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Speaker 5: baseball fans believed Pete rose when he was still saying

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Speaker 5: that he had never bet on baseball. Those lies hurt baseball,

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Speaker 5: It hurt the Cincinnati Reds, it hurts the city of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 5: and in my opinion, it certainly hurt the memory of Bartiamadi,

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Speaker 5: the commissioner who had put his integrity on the line

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Speaker 5: to investigate a man who had objectively speaking, violated the

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Speaker 5: cardinal rule of baseball by placing wagers on his own

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Speaker 5: games and so by failing to recognize that he had

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Speaker 5: hurt not just himself, but so many others. You know,

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Speaker 5: Pete really did set himself up for failure here, and

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Speaker 5: that failure is never being reinstated to the game that

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Speaker 5: he loves so much.

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Speaker 2: Last thing we have about a minute here.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe now that the Hall of Fame and

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Speaker 3: everybody's just going to run to put Pete Roads in

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Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame now that he's passed on. Still

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Speaker 3: all of his memorabilia and things that he did during

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Speaker 3: his career are still in the Hall of Fame. I

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Speaker 3: don't believe a plaque is going to go into the

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame now, even after death.

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Speaker 5: You know, for years people have speculated that it would

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Speaker 5: only be after Pete's death that he would be reinstated,

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Speaker 5: placed on the ballot, and then potentially voted in. You know,

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Speaker 5: I guess to your point, Rob, we're about to find

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Speaker 5: out if that's going to happen. But I don't think

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Speaker 5: it's something that's going to happen this week. It's not

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Speaker 5: going to happen this fall. You know, Major League Baseball

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Speaker 5: doesn't want the focus being on Pete Rose in a

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Speaker 5: time when the league is now partnering with legalized gambling platforms.

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Speaker 5: But I do think in the months and years ahead,

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Speaker 5: as more gambling scandals take place in sports, we will

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Speaker 5: possibly look differently on this scandal involving Pete Rose.

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Speaker 3: Pete, thank you so much, my goodness, to so much insight.

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Speaker 3: Keith O'Brien, Go pick up his book. I mean probably

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Speaker 3: want to read it to get more in depth on

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Speaker 3: Pete Rose in the passing of such a great ballplayer,

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Speaker 3: but of notorious gambler who you know, soiled his own legacy,

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Speaker 3: and I really believe that Pete could have cleaned it

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Speaker 3: up way before we got to this point.

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Speaker 2: It's so sad. Keith, again, thank you so much. We

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Speaker 2: appreciate you.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: Rob.

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Speaker 3: In the words of New York TV legend the Lady

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Speaker 3: Bill Jorgensen, thanking you for your time this time until

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Speaker 3: next time.

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Speaker 2: Rob Parker out. He can't get it. This could be

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Speaker 2: an inside of Parker.

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Speaker 1: See you next week, same bat time, same batt station.