WEBVTT - Ep21 Ed Loh 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.479 Welcome back to car Stories with some k and Amelia Hartford. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:14.560 So hypothetical. Okay, so you're married, sure, okay, the future 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:19.279 all right? And I love your husband? Right, I hope? 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:19.400 So? 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.040 Okay, I hope so too. Do you know the store 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:26.599 Ross and Marshall's. Yeah, okay, so pair of Nike socks 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:30.400 and Marshalls you could get like three for sometimes two 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.400 ninety nine, okay. At the Nike store they're like fourteen 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.040 ninety nine, yeah, ten nineteen ninety nine. If you're gonna 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:39.960 go buy a pair of Nike socks, would you go 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.159 to Ross Marshall's or would you go to the Nike store? Thoughts? 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:45.960 I think that's a two part answer. 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.240 Oh interesting, I obviously. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.839 In this scenario, Ross sounds like the better deal. But 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.040 the bigger question is what is your time worth? Are 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.560 you already purchasing a pair of Jordan Wants or a 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:00.360 sneaker at the Nike store and does your time cost 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.800 more for you to then drive to Ross to save 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.080 five dollars or does it make sense to buy the 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:06.720 difference and just buy the socks while you're there. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.640 You're not at the store, not at the. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.960 Store, just need socks and nothing else go to Ross, right, yeah, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:13.160 her marshals. 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.479 Or no, no matter if you win the lottery or. 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.600 Not, I feel like you just you can also shop 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.160 for other stuff. It depends what you want to do. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.080 Yeah wait, wait, you're not answering their question, so you wouldn't. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.200 No, I said I'd go to it. Ross makes more 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:29.440 sense financially. But if I wanted to go buy some Nikes, 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.800 I might go shop at a Nike store and then 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.640 if I'm already there, then maybe I'll just buy the 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.800 socks there versus then making a second trip. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:41.000 You know. So this Ross test, right, was something I 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:45.759 worked with this like super super famous like superstar actor 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:50.400 once right, I man named names and they announced that 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.480 his family was going to come visit set, and his 0:01:54.680 --> 0:02:00.160 mother had a bag from Ross and had stuff that 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.600 she had bought from Ross, even with all the money 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.960 that this family has, the value system from the mother 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.080 and of course, like there's a time for luxury items, right, 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:14.040 But then the fact that she did not care that 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.040 she went to Ross and bought these items and handed 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.200 it to this guy right with no like there was 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.960 no shame, there's no embarrassment, there's no pretense. It really 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.400 really impressed me, and I was like, I think that 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.880 is a great value system to have. I mean, look, 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.079 I'm not against like bad things or expensive things or. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:35.840 Truthfully part of buy socks. I'm probably gonna buy the 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:36.360 money Amazon. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.920 And nowadays, yeah, you don't even need to go to 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.240 Ross anymore. And you know that's the place that meet. 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.440 Me and my wife used to go on dates. We 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:45.799 used to go to Ikea. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.600 I love Ikea and then walk around and get lost. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.679 And then go eat in the cafeteria meatballs. Yeah yeah, 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.840 because it was like so cheap. It was like under 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.360 like ten bucks you could eat the two people that 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.160 would be a date. And then we would go to 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:04.240 a Marshals in way deep in North Hollywood that was 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.960 like the they called it. The managers there called it 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.520 the Flagship Marshals of the Valley. 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:11.560 There is a place deep in North Hollywood and I 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.600 forgot the name of it where I used to buy 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:17.120 my shoes and it'd be like ten to twenty dollars 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.600 a pair of shoes. And it was this giant like 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:21.400 I could find out on a map. I couldn't tell 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:22.480 you the name of it because I don't even if 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.680 it had a name, but it was this giant warehouse. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.760 But then there'd be like one hundred different little stores 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.519 inside of it. But it wasn't even like stores. They'd 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.800 be like like tents almost, and they would just kind 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.160 of lay the shoes or whatever, and everyone had their 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.680 own little section kind of walk through these rows of 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.080 like different shoes lined. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:41.720 Out like a swat meat. 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.200 Swat meat. Yeah, oh yeah, it was a swap meat, 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:45.400 but it was of new stuff. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.760 Yeah. My college roommate had parents sold nikes that had 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:49.320 swept meat. 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:49.640 Yeah. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:51.560 Yeah, so that was the thing back in the day. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.160 That's where I got my shoes for a while, the 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:53.760 same thing. 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:54.360 Right. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:55.400 They weren't shut No. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:57.200 I mean I don't know, I thought there were. I 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.080 wasn't buying like name brand. I just needed protection for 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:00.560 my feet. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:01.440 Yeah. 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.520 Well, anyway, thanks for answering that, yes question. I think 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:05.840 you'd make a good wife. 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:06.760 Thank you. 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:11.040 Let's move on to our next guest. We have our 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.720 friend Ed Low, editor in chief of Motor Trend. That's right, 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:19.120 fascinating human being, the great history just I think there's 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.160 this like wisdom that he has. 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:26.839 And he's always been very passionate about education, whether it's 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.560 teaching at high school or even just helping teach on 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.159 the internet the history and love for cars. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.080 What a great ambassador and we just learned a lot 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.600 about his history and also the future of the car industry. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.320 So we get to sit down and listen to a 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.720 progressive thinker talk about the future. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:52.000 Yeah. So, without further ado Ed low Ed. 0:04:52.600 --> 0:05:00.840 Even though he is a car afficionado, editor, car guru, evy, 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:07.960 forward thinking gentleman, he's actually a huge green thumb, right. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.559 I mean you compared to a lot of other people 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.039 like you are into gardening. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.360 I like to like a little bit. My wife's more 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.000 into it. I like to cook what we grow and 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:17.880 what do you grow? 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:18.599 What do you grow? 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.800 We got like peppers, we grow like I like. I 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.239 like to saw a picture of that. I like peppers. 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.280 No like serranos. I'm a big Serrano pepper guy. I 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.080 don't know. We got tomatoes, little little tomatoes and strawberries. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.680 I've been wanting to do like a strawberry garden, like 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.520 a little area, but I travel so much that I'm 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.560 worried I'm going to kill this plant. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.440 What about just citrus I have? I have three hundred 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:46.640 and sixty nine trees. Wait what, but this house is 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:52.080 because I have a full orchard. We have so much citrus, avocados. 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:53.240 I have avocuta, but. 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:54.560 Avocados are hard. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.320 Yeah, this for the past two years, nothing but the 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.520 year so three years ago, it was like everywhere avocados 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:02.080 are like gold. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.479 You know how much you can get for avocados, Like 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.720 that's huckum avocados or I don't know, it's good cause 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:10.440 I grew up actually on avocado. I grew up. I 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.719 grew up outside of a little town about sixteen miles 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.080 north here Camerio, and we had avocado. We had a 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.160 we had a small avocado orchard, and I had to 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.279 pick avocados from my parents. Really, they actually all that 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.120 whole area, this is Venture County, they've they've all shifted 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.760 all of the from avocados. For a while, it was 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.799 oranges and lemons and then went to avocados. Now everybody's 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.880 taken all of their trees down and they put these 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.039 big greenhouse type setups and they're growing all sorts of 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:40.400 high value, more expensive crops and also weed. But it's 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.640 mostly they've moved away from avocados, maybe because it's it's 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.600 so hard. I think all of our avocados come from Mexico. 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:50.320 Now Scott Bryan Scatto, he has an avocado he does farm. 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.920 So I grew up with like a greenhouse like attached 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:59.160 to our backyard. My mother was like the neighborhood, you know, 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:03.480 like rescuer, right, So she would she had this greenhouse, 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.479 and then people's plants that you buy at the grocery 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.400 store would start dying and they would just give it 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.840 to her. And then like twice a week, I would 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.240 have to like put all the water and the the 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.400 and the and the food and then it would all 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:16.200 come back to life. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:16.520 Right. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.040 So I feel like I have this connection to plants. 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:19.400 Right. 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.920 So the avocado tree was like no avocados every year. 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.280 So then I went down. I just started talking to 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:29.840 the tree. Really, I was like, hey, avocado tree, come on, man, 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.040 give us some avocados. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.320 I love. Didn't work. 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.760 It worked that year. Then I stopped and no more avocados. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.520 And so this particular tree, you have to go down. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:45.080 It's like it's like a dog. It's like a living creature. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.720 You have to go. You have to like kind of 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:51.160 talk to it. You have to clean the area right, 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.920 and then it's fruitful. And then I haven't been. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.480 Doing that, but it's a thing for plants to like 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:00.000 play like Beethoven and Mozart, right, has never been study. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:01.800 We used to do that at the greenhouse. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.440 Yeah, I just wrote an article about apparently plants can 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:08.040 actually they've proven they can communicate with each other. There's 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.840 some weird like they release something in the air and 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.200 the other plant. There's a weird science experiment that demonstrated this. 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.160 But yeah, I feel like everything that's living, you know, 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.040 could stand with some more love and attention. So that's 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:19.680 probably all you were doing. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.600 And then we had a conversation years ago. Was it 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.240 you that suggested for me to put like a fish 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:30.520 head into the ground. The Yeah, well that's I had 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:31.520 this conversation with. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:34.599 Yes, it is. This is I mean, this is I 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.600 learned this like I was thinking third grade and this 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.000 is like I grew up in an era where Thanksgiving 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:40.760 was a thing that they taught in school about how 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.800 the Indians and the call and the you know, the 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.439 colonizers all got together. We know that was true, but 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:50.880 back then, apparently the Indian way of planting corn was 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.520 you would dig a hole drop of corn seat and 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.720 then drop a little fish covered up and the thing 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.520 would there's your fertilizer. Yeah, I don't know, but these 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.319 days you can just buy like a bag of fertile. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:04.360 But I don't want to use fertilizer. That I'm very proud. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:05.679 I have no fertilizer in. 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:10.360 My compost, no composting thing. Oh you should compost. Why 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.640 this is why I think you're saying, I'm I'm a 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.480 green thumb. I'm not really a green thumb. I just 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.720 like to I was composting. We moved, We recently moved, 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.320 but at the old house, I had this giant, like 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.800 forty gallon drum composter and we would just dump coffee grounds, 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:28.760 vegetable peels, apple cores, and if you and you put newspaper, 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.440 you put the dry stuff and the white paper in there. 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.080 My neighbor actually was a science teacher. He's like, hey, 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.000 I'm gonna put some earthworms in there. I just get 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.160 a little thing at earthworms, and literally the next six 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.680 months later, the entire compost spin. It was probably forty 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:47.000 gallons of huge earthworms. And it was awesome. It was 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:48.760 so rad We could just dump stuff in and it 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.640 would just all be composted, be eaten up by the 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:55.280 earthworms and they the waste The liquid waste that's created 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.600 is called it's basically called liquid gold. You can bottle 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.760 up and sell it. That's really that is amazing, and 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.679 it's all organic, it's all super clean. That was hilarious 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:05.280 because I did that for a long time. And then 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.920 two years ago we had a really hot summer and 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.360 it killed all my all my porter worms. Oh no, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.400 I couldn't. I wasn't there. I couldn't cool them down. 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:13.080 It just rays more. 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.400 Oh sad, I'm worried about rats though. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.000 No, it won't happen. No, no, if you do it correctly. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:20.360 And this is what beauty of compt I can't we're 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.240 talking about this. But composting is if you have a 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.920 big piece of property, you don't need this drum system 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:27.840 you can buy is for people who live in a city. 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.840 You just dig a big hole, you dump the scraps out, 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.200 and then you cover them. The rats they can't smell it, 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.720 they're too lazy to dig in there. Just turn it over. 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.439 It creates heat, it keeps itself warm during the winter. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.840 And you have this amazing fertilizer, just giant pile of fertilizer, 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.720 and you do one over here and after that gets 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.120 all full. You need to let it go for a 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:47.520 couple of weeks. You start another one over here, and 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:48.840 then you just kind of altern it. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.280 It's great, I have a perfect area for that. 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.840 Yeah. Yeah, you could pack it up, put your face 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:57.880 on it, say songs, organic compost. Yeah, I would like 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.480 to cut it that. I'll help you. 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:00.200 I could do that. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:00.800 Let's do it. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.360 No, because dead plant starts to really stress me out, 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.079 like I feel like bad things are going to happen, right, 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.960 like even and birds, like I'm very superstitious on plants 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:11.640 and birds. 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:12.240 Right. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:16.360 So so anyway, we had a prune tree, gigantic prune tree. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.920 It was like every year was like, they give me 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.600 all of these great prunes and I would make jam 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:26.360 out of it, right, And I told the dude. I 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.080 was like, dude, you got to cut those branches because 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.480 it's going to topple over and he's drunk all the time. 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.559 And then the winds came and then it toppled the 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.679 whole This was like a massive tree. And I got 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.760 so depressed I almost sold the house. I was like, 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.440 we have some it's a sign from nature telling me 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.480 to leave, right. And then by next door neighbor he 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.400 has like great great gardeners, And I talked to the guys, 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.720 this this soil like, you know, unhealthy, and he's like, no, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.760 it's just because it's too top heavy. It's like we 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:01.800 can plant something else and you'll girl right away. So 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.880 we put in a lemon tree and started. It's like 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.920 it's so healthy, right. But then I'm also the birds 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.320 like in my like one of the back doors and 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.320 then in the main front door. They're these birds that 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:18.080 create nests. Other people would show these birds away, right, 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.840 but I'm superstitious, like I'll feed them because it's a 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:26.200 sign of like good luck. But there's bird ship all 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.800 over the fucking but I don't mind cleaning it. 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.240 But they're probably snacking on the fruit on the trees too. 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.080 Yeah for sure. Yeah, maybe we should start talking about 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:40.400 some car stuff whatever, a nice change of pace. Yeah, 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.959 but that's how you kind of keep balanced with your life, right. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:48.719 It's like I think people forget that editor from Motor Tread. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.400 Does its own composing. I probably get more inquiries about 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.520 the cooking that I do because I like to cook 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.640 a lot, and I post that mostly on social like 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.480 I'm like the worst. If you want to fall somebody 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.720 me for car stuff. You're going to be disappointed because 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.040 I'm gonna I'm likely going to talk about how much 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.880 I love minivans or something I'm not going to show you, 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.040 you know, like my co host on our podcast, Johnny's 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.800 always showing you the latest Porsche he's driving. I'm like, yeah, 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.520 I might do that at a car show if I'm 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.120 there next to one. But I'm more apt to show 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.280 you what my kid is doing with his toys or 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:19.600 what I'm cooking that evening. 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:20.560 Do you make bread? 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.200 I that's a whole thing. I was on the bread 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:29.880 train probably more before anybody, anybody in the social or 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.800 automotive sphere. And I'll even call out again Johnny Lee Reman, 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.760 my co host, like, oh, I make great bread. He 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.479 does make pretty good bread. I will say I was 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.160 way before. And I can tell you how because there 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.320 was an article written in the New York Times about it. 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.520 So I believe me, I'm not the only one. The 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:49.280 entire other the world has known about Sullivan Street Bakery 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.200 in New York. Jim Lahy's No Need Bread recipe. This 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.200 article came out like two thousand and six, and it 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.319 is the best recipe for the amateur. I want to 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:01.080 get into making bread at home. It's literally three scoops 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.360 of flour, a cup and a half or a little 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.280 bit more water, a quarter teaspoon of yeast and like 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.040 a little bit of salt. You mix it up. You 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.480 leave it on the countertop for twenty four hours and 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.840 it's this huge mass of bubbling bread dough. Bunch it down, 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.600 fold it up, put it into a preheated oven with 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.400 a crockpot or a cast iron pot, Dutch oven, whatever, 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.240 and you'll have the most amazing boulet like this little ball, 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.480 this big like soccer ball sized bread with huge holes 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.680 in it, and it is awesome to eat. And that 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.080 do is awesome for pizza. 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.200 So are you the cook at home? You're the one, yes, 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:32.840 cooking all the meals yetty much? 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:33.680 Yeah? Pretty much? 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.119 What's ed Low's specialty? 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.320 The go to dish lately? The one I like right 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.360 now is this sky Kenji Alt Lopez. He's done a 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:45.000 series called Serious Eats. So serious eats dot com has 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.840 really awesome recipes. And the one that I cook a lot, 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.440 probably my wife is so sick of it is chicken 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.000 chili verde. Chicken chili verte. So you need an insta pot, 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.080 you dump the chicken thighs in it, you dump an onion, 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.040 you dump two different kinds of chili however spicy you 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:06.320 want big gold tablespoon of cumin and just water chicken broth. 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:07.880 Put it off for forty five minutes and you have 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:13.280 this awesome shredded chicken chicken chili Verdi trust me, huge fan. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.520 So it's cool that you have hobbies outside of the 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.720 car world. Yeah, you garden, you make bread. You are really, 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.720 what it sounds like, great at cooking, and you have 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:28.480 these hobbies, sustainable hobbies outside of automotive. Do you feel 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.080 like cars is all work for you? Do you still 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:31.880 get some personal enjoyment out of it. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.880 No, I get a lot of enjoyment out of this 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:36.240 thing I do. I tell people all the time, like 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:37.680 I've never worked a day in my life, right, Like 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.720 I get to do this thing around cars. I love cars. 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.240 I think the big difference probably in the last few years, 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.040 especially since having a kid, and just I'm a voracious 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.840 consumer of social media. I'm all up in everybody's business 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.320 on the Instagrams, and so I'm seeing what everybody else 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:58.080 is doing, and I don't necessarily want to do that 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.760 or to have the Motor Trend team do that either, right, So, 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.240 and I'm probably giving away way too much, but I 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.040 a lot of the a lot of the other a 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.480 lot of our competitors or other people out there like, oh, 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:15.160 it's all about, you know, save the manuals or all 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.040 of these the death of the internal combustion engine, and 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:19.960 oh this you know, And I get it. You guys 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:24.280 want to celebrate, like be very passionate about that's awesome, 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.000 But there's this whole other world that's coming. And it's 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.680 not just EVS. I've been talking everybody at Motor Trend's 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.480 ear off about SDV SO software defined vehicles and the 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:39.040 future of automotive and how huge this shift is. And 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.000 I know a lot of people just I don't want 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:43.880 to hear it. I don't talk to EV's. I'm like, 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:44.800 it's bigger than EV's. 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.240 Can you talk a little more about a soft an SDV. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.360 Yes, totally, So how long do you have as long 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.520 as you need? It all started, it really did start 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.800 with Tesla. Tesla created the first software defined vehicle, and 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.800 that vehicle was the Model S. Came out fall of 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:06.480 twenty twelve as a twenty thirteen model and a software 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.240 defined vehicle has a number of key characteristics. It's probably 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.199 an ev Okay, so it's going to change from internal 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.119 combustion to having an electric power plant. Now it doesn't 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.080 have to, which we get into. But it also had 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:24.439 its entire electrical system, the entire electrical architecture, all the computers, 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:26.560 the little every the black box, anything you want to 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.960 talk about, the wiring. Everything designed from the ground up 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.679 to talk to each other. Okay, it's very different how 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.399 cars have been produced. Cars have evolved have iterated to 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.400 where hey, you know, the engine, the powertrain, the transmission, 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.040 this whole thing came together and these guys all talk 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:44.640 to each other. But then over the lights over here, 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.120 it's a separate system. The brakes are separate. The steering. 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.560 We'll get into steering steer by wire, but that's on 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:54.160 its own sort of hardware loop. Nothing talks to each other. 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.880 Tezla designed from the ground up, the entire car, all 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.679 the sensors, all the systems talked to We talked to 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.800 each other, and then it allows you to do all 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.760 this fun stuff that you've heard about. Right, So over 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.320 the air updates OTA that's a big deal. That's a 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.680 key definer of a software or five vehicle. So you know, 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.880 when the model that's first came out, it had really 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.480 cool features, had this app. You know, you could find 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.040 a charger, you could go charge your car. They kept 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.920 iterating on that. They added fun stuff you guys have seen, 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.399 like the light shows the tuzzls can do. You know 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.040 the Miata Model X, the doors will open. 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.240 Yeah, the cyber truck's doing a show now when you 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:29.840 pick it up. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.400 Exactly cyber trucks got a show. You know. Tesla famously 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.040 pushed out fart mode, so the car will there's a 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.919 difference in any anywhere you sit, you can make a 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.800 different fart, noise, hilarious stuff right like no other car 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.119 manufacturer has that capability. There are very smart people spending 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.399 millions and millions billions of dollars trying to get to 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:51.760 this level, and they're failing, like Ota, which is again 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.240 this foundation of a software five vehicle. The ability to 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.760 update your car like you update a phone still not 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.399 in widespread use across the industry. That could be for 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:00.960 a little while. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.159