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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel, and they call me Ben.

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Speaker 3: We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the

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Speaker 3: Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 4: You are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of strange news going on if you

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Speaker 3: are tuning in the evening this publishes. Let us be

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Speaker 3: the first to welcome you to Monday, March seventeenth, twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five. Guys, this means that we're just past the

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Speaker 3: IDEs of March.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember those? Yeah, the spooky iides of March

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Speaker 4: right and portends wicked things this way coming.

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Speaker 2: We just talked about that in our episode about the

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Speaker 2: White House right and people that try to predict things.

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Speaker 2: They would always think about those. Actually, no, remember they

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Speaker 2: missed the iyds last time.

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Speaker 3: And they missed the eyes. They skipped the eyes, but

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Speaker 3: they were aware of the eyes.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, obviously the IDEs of March specifically are

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Speaker 4: tied to the prophecy of Caesar. Julius Caesar's murder. Is

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Speaker 4: that really the jumping off point that's kind of caused

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Speaker 4: spooky time or a portentous time. Yeah, it's because.

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Speaker 3: Caesar Caesar was assassinated in forty four BCE, and then

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Speaker 3: later a guy named William Shakespeare, real up and coming writer,

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 4: So that's sort of a little bit some some creative

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Speaker 3: It comes from the Latin to divide, So it's it's

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Speaker 3: a midway point where we're a little loose today, we're

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Speaker 3: a little bit punchy folks. We're so glad that you

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Speaker 3: joined us. We are going to look into some strange

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Speaker 3: and unusual things with you tonight. There's a bribery scandal

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Speaker 3: by nuclear waste. Shout out to some of our listeners

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Speaker 3: who sent this. We'll talk about Ai Will talk about

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Speaker 3: a symbolic bird fight, which we all love, the price

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Speaker 3: of coffee, which is super important obviously to us. And

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Speaker 3: before we get into any of our leading stories here

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Speaker 3: which we haven't yet alluded to, did you guys hear

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Speaker 3: about this dude in Missouri who got charged for trying

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Speaker 3: to have sex with a train seat.

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Speaker 4: Relatable real man of the people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in public with others on the train.

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Speaker 4: Perhaps it was a class cabin, you know, one would

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Speaker 3: My guy, this is in Missouri or Missouri your mileage

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Speaker 3: may very linguistically or dialectically. At a metrolink station, here's

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Speaker 3: what they say, all right, it's February thirteenth, a woman

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Speaker 3: told investigators that she saw a man exposing himself at

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Speaker 4: And there is video of this. Sorry, the upper bar,

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Speaker 4: what are we talking here? Like the head rest? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, if you've ever been on a

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Speaker 4: Oh, why doesn't seem very pleasant?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? This is a sad story, and the only reason

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Speaker 4: Here in the beginning is because the first.

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Speaker 3: Question that naturally a lot of us are going to ask, how,

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Speaker 3: Noel Matt. I don't think you guys have seen these yet?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's another picture, just so we're doing some due diligence.

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Speaker 3: Is this something that you would risk it all for

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Speaker 4: Not a private situation at all, guys. This is a

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Speaker 4: Hard yes for this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was well, you know, the course of true

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Speaker 3: Netflix adaptation. For now, we're going to pause for a

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Speaker 2: You know, no cool, And we've returned. Last week. We

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Speaker 2: be making money hand over fist as they float around

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Speaker 3: There's a there's a blood moon on the way as

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Speaker 3: from our metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia, how because of the

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Speaker 3: weather conditions that'll be coming through from March thirteenth to

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Speaker 4: Well more weather, what are we talking about? What kind

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Speaker 3: There's a sick blood moon on the way.

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Speaker 4: Oh cool, as long as it's not another monsoon. I'm

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Speaker 4: Matt really quickly the idea the expression hand over fist.

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Speaker 4: When you do it, it kind of makes a time

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Speaker 4: It's okay, it's again hand over fish time out. Guys.

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Speaker 3: It means grabbing a bunch of money and stuffing it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, next time its fail better. You know.

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Speaker 2: Well that's that's the whole plan Intuitive Machine. Well let

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Speaker 4: Matt, is the name just clever or is the thing

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's that whole thing where a company a

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Speaker 2: You have to do you have to use completely different

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Speaker 3: of mass media. People can be wrong about some stuff

439
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Speaker 3: and then totally on the money about other stuff. It

440
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 3: reminds me of that it was either the Hard Times

441
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 3: or the Onion that had some headline where they said

442
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Speaker 3: devastating blow. The person you hate the most just made

443
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Speaker 3: an excellent.

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Speaker 4: Point, And I was gonna say, this does seem relatively

445
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Speaker 4: reasonable and positive.

446
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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, cool, this is this is overall something that

447
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: Upton Sinclair would applaud right the author of The Jungle,

448
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 3: and that that piece of journalism played a huge role

449
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: in the consumer protections that exist in the United States today.

450
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Speaker 3: So look, we're not saying that you have to agree

451
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Speaker 3: with everything. Rfka Junior says, we are saying that if

452
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Speaker 3: someone is legally selling you something, you should, as a consumer,

453
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Speaker 3: have a right to understand what you're buying. I think

454
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Speaker 3: that's very reasonable. We are far past the Greco Roman

455
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Speaker 3: days of caveatimp tour or buying a pig in a poke. Uh,

456
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Speaker 3: just two idioms, we're gonna we're gonna whip out there.

457
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Speaker 2: We just lifted out the pig in the poke and

458
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Speaker 2: then out the poke.

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Speaker 4: Funny Ben, There's a British sketch show that I really

460
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Speaker 4: love called The League of Gentlemen, which you guys may

461
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Speaker 4: have seen, and there's a recurring character on it that

462
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Speaker 4: always says, okay, do pig and a pokey? And I

463
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Speaker 4: never understood what that meant until you just said it

464
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Speaker 4: just now in an American accent. What does the expression mean?

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Speaker 3: I mean like a pig in jail, But by a

466
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Speaker 3: pig in a poke means that you don't know what

467
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Speaker 3: you're really buying. A similar reference would be so a

468
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Speaker 3: poke is just a sack?

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Speaker 4: Got it?

470
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Speaker 3: So the idea is you're buying something concealed and the

471
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Speaker 3: person selling it to you is telling.

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Speaker 4: You, yeah, When I heard the hokey I thought maybe

473
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Speaker 4: meant something to do with the jail, But no, that's

474
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Speaker 4: very helpful. Ben, thank you for demystifying that.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me a bit of the character of Francis Underwood,

476
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Speaker 2: Like I really like Francis Underwood. I don't like him,

477
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Speaker 2: but I also really like watching Francis Underwood.

478
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Speaker 4: Such a cad, such a little scamp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you then you're like, you look at

480
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Speaker 2: the layers of Francis Underwood and you're like, oh, well,

481
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Speaker 2: what about the actor that's playing Francis Underwood. Oh, and

482
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Speaker 2: then you just start to go deeper and deeper, and

483
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Speaker 2: then the complexities of Francis Underwood, the character and then

484
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Speaker 2: the human, and then your brain kind of short circuits

485
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Speaker 2: a little bit. I don't feel fully that way about

486
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Speaker 2: RFK Junior, but uh, there's some it's something along those lines.

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Speaker 3: We're also still as the US currently in this in

488
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Speaker 3: this administration. Not a political point, this is just structural.

489
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Speaker 3: We're still very much in the new car smell era.

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Speaker 3: You know, people are uh saying a bunch of stuff,

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Speaker 3: they're proposing it by stuff that, just like with Tariff's

492
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Speaker 3: ends up, the conversation changes hour by hour. Right, So

493
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Speaker 3: it is there is a non zero chance that a

494
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Speaker 3: lot of stuff ORFKSA and in this new position will

495
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Speaker 3: ultimately not come to pass or not translate to policy.

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Speaker 3: And the question is the art now becomes figuring out

497
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Speaker 3: how much of this is perhaps purposeful noise, how much

498
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Speaker 3: of this is genuine concrete policy.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to be hopeful that at least saying it

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Speaker 2: out loud like this will at some point make it

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Speaker 2: become a thing.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: Maybe it's manifested well in some way, because I think

504
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Speaker 5: when you speak the truth out loud like that, it

505
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Speaker 5: has a better chance of being addressed, at least.

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Speaker 2: And just because of the source of where it's coming from. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's it, guys, I'm so sorry I went way too

508
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Speaker 2: long there.

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Speaker 4: Good stuff.

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Speaker 2: We will be right back after word from our sponsors,

511
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Speaker 2: and we have.

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Speaker 4: Returned with more strange news. Gonna lead with a couple

513
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Speaker 4: of shorties and then get into one that I think

514
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Speaker 4: will be rife for discussion. First, I would like to

515
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Speaker 4: talk about a kind of symbolic news event. I suppose

516
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Speaker 4: in the wake of all of this kerfuffle with the

517
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Speaker 4: US and Canada, this impending trade war, a lot of

518
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Speaker 4: this back and forth with you tearrif uss will tear

519
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Speaker 4: a few, all the electricity stuff, and now how Trump

520
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 4: is you know, pushing back against that, saying how could you?

521
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Speaker 4: How dare you Canada, you know, try to hurt the

522
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Speaker 4: common people, you know, by depriving them of their electricity.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Seems little disingenuous we think about it,

524
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Speaker 4: But today we're going to talk about a photograph that

525
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 4: really captures this dynamic, kind of almost too perfectly. The

526
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Speaker 4: headline says it all from The Guardian. Canada goose fights

527
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Speaker 4: off bald eagle in rare, symbolism laden battle on ice.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's pretty incredible. A fatahographer from Ontario with the

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Speaker 4: name of Mervin Sequira or Siquira, was out with his

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Speaker 4: family hanging out on a frozen lake and spotted a

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Speaker 4: bald eagle making its way with murderous intent towards a

532
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Speaker 4: Canada goose. The photographer thought that he was about to

533
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Speaker 4: capture an absolute blood bath, a massacre of epic proportions,

534
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Speaker 4: but instead he saw something very different that really speaks

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Speaker 4: to kind of the ingenuity and stick, touitiveness and wiliness

536
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Speaker 4: of the Canadian spirit. Symbolically, of course. For the next

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Speaker 4: twenty minutes, he captured this battle that did transpire with

538
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Speaker 4: his camera and watched as something unexpected unfolded. This is

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Speaker 4: what he had to say to the Guardian. I've seen

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Speaker 4: bald eagles take a lot of things, from ducks to muskrats,

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Speaker 4: but this is the first time I've seen a bald

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Speaker 4: eagle go in for something as big as a goose.

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Speaker 4: The eagle attempted to sink its razors sharp talons into

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Speaker 4: the goose, the beloved Canada goose. However, the goose was

545
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Speaker 4: not was unflappable. That's a pun. I'm fine with that,

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Speaker 4: And it continued to evade these swooping maneuvers from the

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Speaker 4: bald eagle, who would you know, come in for the

548
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Speaker 4: kill and miss, and then go up again, circle a

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Speaker 4: while and come back in for another kill and apparently

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Speaker 4: like a lunar land just so and after again, twenty

551
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Speaker 4: minutes of this back and forth, this eagle and goose,

552
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Speaker 4: cat and mouse kind of situation. Uh, you gave up

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Speaker 4: and flew on its merry way. Wow? Yeah, pretty crazy, guys.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the symbolism is so thick you could cut it.

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Speaker 4: It's like a it's like a poutine, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how many times have these sorts of encounters occurred

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Speaker 3: in the past. Yeah, this is great timing for the photographer,

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Speaker 3: given the given the current tensions between the US and Canada.

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Speaker 3: I would also note there is more than mere symbolism

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Speaker 3: at play here, because the eagle, the eagle hunting the goose.

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Speaker 3: This is a question for experts in the crowd, the

562
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Speaker 3: eagle hunting the goose. Is this a normal thing for

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Speaker 3: an eagle to do, or is it driven by a

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Speaker 3: lack of other prey avenues or perhaps politics?

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Speaker 4: You know, maybe maybe the eagle was trying to make

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Speaker 4: a statement and the goose prevented him from prevented it

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Speaker 4: from doing that, you know. And of course in the

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Speaker 4: article on the Guardian, it goes into a lot of

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Speaker 4: the stuff that we've already discussed about the rhetoric between

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Speaker 4: the US and Canada. This the images alone are fantastic,

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Speaker 4: and some of them you can really see the adversarial

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Speaker 4: relationship between these two creatures. But in a couple of

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Speaker 4: them it looks like they're having themselves a hodown, like

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Speaker 4: just dancing on the ice. It's pretty incredible. You can

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Speaker 4: definitely check those images out for yourself on the Guardian,

576
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Speaker 4: just search for Canada Goose fights Baald Eagle and it

577
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 4: should come right up.

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Speaker 2: Guys, you think we could develop a mortal combat style

579
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Speaker 2: fighting game with birds like different birds?

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Speaker 4: I'm on board. Sure. I think I've mentioned my my

581
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 4: love of the board game Wingspan and the video game

582
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 4: adaptations thereof it's a little more of a meditative zen

583
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Speaker 4: kind of board game situation. But I'm all about what

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Speaker 4: you're describing that what would what would be some super

585
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Speaker 4: moves or some special moves that the bald eagle or

586
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Speaker 4: fatalities even how would the Canada goose finish him?

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Speaker 2: We don't want to give away too much right now,

588
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Speaker 2: we're in the R and D stages of this thing.

589
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Speaker 2: I think this thing has wings, and uh, we're gonna

590
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Speaker 2: we're gonna work on it.

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Speaker 4: I got an idea. The Canada goose lays a like

592
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 4: flies above, circles around, lays a giant egg that then

593
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Speaker 4: just pounds his opponent into the into the ice or into.

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Speaker 3: The has crazy movement speed. H that's good as a

595
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Speaker 3: migratory bird.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: The obviously the multi attack with the talons for the

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Speaker 3: bald eagle, that's good.

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Speaker 4: Perhaps a disemboweling, you know.

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Speaker 3: With something where where it vanishes into the air and

601
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Speaker 3: then drops down in a sort of a teleportation move.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is crazy. You say this.

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Speaker 3: I actually have with some friends, including a guy we'll

604
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Speaker 3: call coach a uh, a cartoonishly robust ranking system of

605
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: bird fights and their abilities.

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Speaker 4: Uh, this would be cool.

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Speaker 3: One of the questions that, again, as we said, we're

608
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Speaker 3: still in R and D on, is how our flightless

609
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Speaker 3: bird friends factor it?

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean? What are their abilities?

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Speaker 2: So they're like the zanif of the game. You know

612
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Speaker 2: they're there, They're the kuma is.

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Speaker 4: Swing you around by your ankles.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is the These are crucial questions. Please

615
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Speaker 3: send us your pitches. I know, out of respect for

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Speaker 3: you guys, I stopped sending pictures of strange and dangerous

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Speaker 3: birds that I think are cool a few years back.

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Speaker 4: Casswary gotta put them in the mix. That would be

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Speaker 4: a that's actually one of its real life Yeah. Yeah, dude.

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Speaker 2: There's like a cardinal and it's super tiny. The hit

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Speaker 2: box is so small on it. You'd think there's no

622
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Speaker 2: way this cardinal is going to win against you know whatever.

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Speaker 3: But like anytime Yoda is in a fighting game.

624
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Speaker 4: Humming bird could fly into down the gullet of its

625
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: opponent and beat its wings so fast that.

626
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Speaker 3: It makes the creature explode from the inside. All corvids

627
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Speaker 3: are automatically boss characters. There's just there's no way around that.

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Speaker 4: The shame song of the fighting bird world. What about

629
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Speaker 4: mimic birds capable of mimicry too?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I can't believe we still have to do this

632
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Speaker 3: show because obviously we're way more invested in this bird

633
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Speaker 3: fighting game.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna get to it, guys real quick. I'm gonna

635
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Speaker 4: talk just briefly about another heist type situation. Coffee beans

636
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 4: are at an all time high. I mayban not an

637
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Speaker 4: all time high, but they are surging the prices in

638
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Speaker 4: the United States and a theft of truckloads of green

639
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Speaker 4: coffee beans is also on the rise along with the

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Speaker 4: price of those beans, and there's a pretty interesting grift

641
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Speaker 4: being done. Ted Costly is a logistics sales coordinator for

642
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: Hartley Transportation, which is a freight broker in Pembroke, New Hampshire,

643
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Speaker 4: said there were dozens of thefts in the last year,

644
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Speaker 4: something that would happen only rarely in the past, and

645
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Speaker 4: he described how it's being done. Importers, he said, should

646
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Speaker 4: be careful about who they hire because there are these

647
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Speaker 4: phony import companies that essentially are making these deals and

648
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Speaker 4: then just making off with the coffee. He says, once

649
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Speaker 4: they get the coffee, they disappear. Let's see. Armed men

650
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Speaker 4: in one case of this type of thing took five

651
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Speaker 4: hundred bags of coffee worth around two hundred and thirty

652
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Speaker 4: thousand dollars from a farm in Brazil's Minas Geras state

653
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Speaker 4: in January, and that was according to reports from local police.

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Speaker 4: Yeah it says here. Theft is a direct quote from

655
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Speaker 4: an article by Reuter's. Theft of coffee has been reported

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Speaker 4: in producing countries such as Brazil and Vietnam, usually in

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Speaker 4: farms where the beans are temporarily stored after the harvest.

658
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Speaker 4: These sites are more vulnerable because they are isolated. Costly

659
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Speaker 4: said that these fake companies that I was describing are

660
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Speaker 4: in the market trying to to get small contracts from

661
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Speaker 4: importers by offering better prices or immediately available trucks. Pretty wild,

662
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Speaker 4: It's a pretty interesting scam. Another quote from the piece here.

663
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Speaker 4: To wrap this one up and then remove on with

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Speaker 4: one more super interesting story for my segment. Some market

665
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Speaker 4: participants believe the gangs then who are running these fake operations,

666
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Speaker 4: then try to sell the beans to smaller roasters which

667
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Speaker 4: are feeling the pain from these skyrocketing prices. Jeez. So

668
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Speaker 4: importers are actually starting to put tracking devices inside the

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Speaker 4: coffee bags in an effort to protect their shipments. This

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Speaker 4: kind of thing you might see in Gus Fring's meth operation,

671
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Speaker 4: you know, in breaking that.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's just so it's scary to me because

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Speaker 2: let's say you've got a tracker in one of those

674
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Speaker 2: bags and there was a large group of armed men

675
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Speaker 2: that took those coffee bags. Who do you send in

676
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Speaker 2: to recover the coffee besides you know, a pretty elite

677
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Speaker 2: team that's either local police or maybe even government.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you.

679
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you RFK Jude here yep, private moon lantern

680
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Speaker 3: that we just repurpose so that he can drop in

681
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Speaker 3: and then ex filtrate easily with Scott talents.

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Speaker 4: I was about to say, Canadian goose in tow with

683
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Speaker 4: the grasshopper drone that pops out.

684
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Speaker 3: Yeah, backpack mounted drones, by the way, are on the

685
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Speaker 3: very much in play please check out our upcoming episode

686
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Speaker 3: on the twenty twenty five Super Soldier Update.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I just noticed that's a Voice of America article.

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Speaker 4: It is correct. Yeah, it's from Reuters, but it was

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Speaker 4: posted on Voice of America. It's it's credited to Ruters,

690
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Speaker 4: but I don't know them very well, Matt, Is that

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Speaker 4: a sirce to even enjoying?

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Speaker 2: I love the Voice of America, as should you, as

693
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Speaker 2: should everyone.

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Speaker 4: All right, are you being serious or is this something

695
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Speaker 4: that that I don't know about? Is this like about

696
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Speaker 4: a bad site or something.

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Speaker 3: Voice of America and Radio Free American and Radio Freation

698
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Speaker 3: all these other things are functional soft power propaganda initiatives

699
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Speaker 3: by the US government. We're not saying they're lying. We are,

700
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Speaker 3: as we mentioned them quite recently, either in an episode

701
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Speaker 3: or a strange news segment. We also talked about them

702
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Speaker 3: a little bit in an interview I think, with maybe

703
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Speaker 3: Carl Miller or someone. But the point of it is

704
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Speaker 3: not to lie to people, but, as Emily Dickinson said,

705
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Speaker 3: to tell the truth, but tell it slant. So they're

706
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Speaker 3: the opposite of an unbiased news organization. Full disclosure, we

707
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Speaker 3: have friends and contacts who have worked with these outfits

708
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Speaker 3: or similar ones in the past. They're not villainous people,

709
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Speaker 3: but they definitely have a mission.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely fair enough. And then, like I said, it is

711
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Speaker 4: a repost of a Reuter's piece, and I did find

712
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Speaker 4: this on ground News, which is that great news aggregator

713
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Speaker 4: app that I think we've all mentioned multiple times on

714
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Speaker 4: this part of the show, and it was ratioed a

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Speaker 4: little in favor of the left, so I will point

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Speaker 4: that out as well. But this is a thing that's happening,

717
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Speaker 4: and I'm very interested about these gangs and these a

718
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Speaker 4: scam operation setting up these fake import companies. It's something

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Speaker 4: that we definitely keep an eye on.

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Speaker 2: It does seem like there's so many grifts, are you

721
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Speaker 2: know that are so sophisticated moping up nowadays, or maybe

722
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Speaker 2: they're just they've been around for a long time. They're

723
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Speaker 2: just getting very very good at what they do.

724
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Speaker 4: And do check out our speaking of grifts, our interview

725
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Speaker 4: with the incredible creator of Scam Factory, which is another

726
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Speaker 4: deep dive into some of these very specific grifts and

727
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Speaker 4: how they've sort of evolved with the times. Yeah, Denise

728
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: Chan hundred percent excellent human and excellent researcher and investigative

729
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 4: journalist and it's such a cool podcast. Highly recommend it.

730
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Speaker 4: So I know I'm almost a time, guys, and it's

731
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Speaker 4: some bummer because I guess I wasn't expecting those to

732
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Speaker 4: fill up as much conversation as they did. But I

733
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Speaker 4: do just want to briefly mention I guess I should

734
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Speaker 4: have led with this one. The headline here says at

735
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Speaker 4: all as well, what one finished church learned from creating

736
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Speaker 4: a service almost entirely with a I we talk all

737
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Speaker 4: the time about the kind of an intersection of money

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Speaker 4: and technology and religion, and I just think this is

739
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Speaker 4: such a fascinating look into that. It's a tale of

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Speaker 4: good and evil, says the ap Helsinki. Played out on

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Speaker 4: the large screen in the sanctuary of Saint Paul's Lutheran

742
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Speaker 4: Church in Finland, Jesus was shown in robes with long

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Speaker 4: hair and a beard, while Satan was dressed in more

744
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Speaker 4: modern clothes but with a menacing frown and a higher

745
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Speaker 4: pitched voice, all created by artificial intelligence. This was, I guess,

746
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Speaker 4: an attempt to use AI tools to entirely create a service,

747
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Speaker 4: not as you know, with the goal of replacing anyone

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Speaker 4: that was There was more just kind of an experiment,

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Speaker 4: I guess, and it does seem that this church has

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Speaker 4: a history of kind of innovation and trying out different

751
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Speaker 4: technology and sort of being on the bleeding edge of

752
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Speaker 4: that stuff. It was the first service in Finland, says

753
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Speaker 4: the AP, put together almost entirely by AI tools, which

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Speaker 4: wrote the sermons and some of the songs, composed the

755
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Speaker 4: music and created the visuals, and it was widely advertised

756
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Speaker 4: as an experimental service, drawing over one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: people to the church in the northeastern part of Helsinki,

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Speaker 4: which is a lot more than on a typical weeknight.

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Speaker 4: The AP says people came from all over the country,

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Speaker 4: as did a handful of people from even outside of

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Speaker 4: Finland to check it out. There's a quote here from

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Speaker 4: the Reverend Petya Kapparen in I believe that's close to correct.

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Speaker 4: Usually when people talk about aiither talking about what AI

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Speaker 4: can do in the future.

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Speaker 2: But the future is now.

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Speaker 4: AI can do all those things that people think that

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Speaker 4: it can maybe do in ten years or so. This

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Speaker 4: is clearly coming from the person who came up with

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Speaker 4: this idea and shepherded it through the clergy and worshippers.

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Speaker 4: Said they enjoyed it, but there was some dings as well.

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Speaker 4: One attendee told the Associated Press it was pretty entertaining

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Speaker 4: and fun, but it didn't feel like a mass or

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Speaker 4: a service. It felt distant. I didn't feel like they

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Speaker 4: were talking to me. The warmth of the people is

775
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Speaker 4: what people need here here to that. I think we're

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Speaker 4: all fascinated by the use of AI, maybe also equally

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Speaker 4: trepidacious about the overstep in using AI and and what

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Speaker 4: it means for even industries like podcasting, what it means

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Speaker 4: for certain types of jobs. You know, it's it's we're

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Speaker 4: very much on the in the wild West kind of

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Speaker 4: of this technology, and plenty of folks in corporations that are,

782
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Speaker 4: I would maybe say a little over zealous about trotting

783
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Speaker 4: this technology out. So, I don't know, guys, it's interesting

784
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Speaker 4: to see it being used in this way that I

785
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Speaker 4: think a lot of folks in religious circles might look

786
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Speaker 4: at as being a little I don't know, offensive.

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Speaker 2: Maybe AI systems that are purely software like that can't

788
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Speaker 2: abuse anyone, maybe, and they I don't know, I'm just saying.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's fair. I guess I just mean that, you know,

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Speaker 4: a lot of the folks that we're talking, you know,

791
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Speaker 4: speaking on it, who attended, who had negative things to say.

792
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Speaker 4: We're just kind of talking about how it just felt

793
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Speaker 4: kind of cold and distant. And I'm not a religious person.

794
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by religion and religious iconography. But just to

795
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Speaker 4: go into a little more detail, it was a forty

796
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Speaker 4: five minute service. They used open AI's chat g ept

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Speaker 4: to write the words except for it's noted here for

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Speaker 4: what came from the Bible. An app called Suno to

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Speaker 4: compose the music with a very pop kind of style,

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Speaker 4: and Synthesia AI to create video avatars of the preacher

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Speaker 4: themselves and another official from the church or another member

802
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Speaker 4: of the clergy. They said that it was eerie seeing

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Speaker 4: themselves depicted on screen speaking words that they never spoke

804
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Speaker 4: in real life. So I don't know, guys, this weirds

805
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 4: me out a little bit. I think it's interesting to

806
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Speaker 4: see this intersection. And I predict, as I think we've

807
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Speaker 4: all maybe mentioned, AI has the potential for kind of

808
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Speaker 4: cult like possibilities, and you know, the idea of like

809
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Speaker 4: techno cults and people like looking at AI as some

810
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Speaker 4: sort of deity to be worshiped or treated in that fashion.

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Speaker 4: I just wonder if we're going to start seeing stuff

812
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Speaker 4: more like this in niche kind of more cult like organizations.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, guys, any wrap up thoughts. I know

814
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 4: we went a little long on this segment, but just

815
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Speaker 4: about this use of AI in something that has typically

816
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Speaker 4: been such a human part of daily life for many folks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, predicted getting for the emails on this one, Folks,

818
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist, you may also have clocked this was

819
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Speaker 3: predicted in multiple sci fi explorations. I'm thinking in particular

820
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Speaker 3: th eleven thirty eight, nineteen seventy one science fiction film

821
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Speaker 3: with George Lucas. In that film, there's not a spoiler

822
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Speaker 3: for the story, which is awesome. In that film, there

823
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Speaker 3: is a AI version of Jesus Christ or MESSI save

824
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Speaker 3: your Figure that people have to go talk to.

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Speaker 4: That has been on my list for so long, Ben,

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Speaker 4: and you're moving it right up to the top. I'm

827
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Speaker 4: looking forward to checking that one out, Maddie. I mean

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Speaker 4: coming from and I mean, I know we all have

829
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Speaker 4: our various intersections with organized religion, but you've been pretty

830
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Speaker 4: open on the podcast talking about you know, your upbringing,

831
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Speaker 4: you know in the church and how that was a

832
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 4: really big part of your life. Is there anything about

833
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Speaker 4: this that feels off to you or what are your

834
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 4: thoughts on I do see your point about I know

835
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Speaker 4: you're sort of joking, but how you know, AI potentially

836
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Speaker 4: just not going to hurt people directly, as there have

837
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Speaker 4: been many proven allegations against you know, clergy members, especially

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Speaker 4: in the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 2: I see exactly why people don't want it and why

840
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Speaker 2: they weren't very happy about it. I see exactly why

841
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Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to do this on a wide scale,

842
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Speaker 2: and why all the AI generative stuff is creeping me

843
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Speaker 2: the heck out right now at least. Yeah, I just

844
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Speaker 2: I don't I don't think it's a thing that's going

845
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Speaker 2: to happen. Churches exists through donation, right, and if you

846
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Speaker 2: don't have human beings that are there running the thing,

847
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Speaker 2: what does that donation go to. Well, maybe it goes

848
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Speaker 2: to doing good things and you don't have to support

849
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Speaker 2: all the human beings that are running the church. That

850
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Speaker 2: could be good. I don't know, complicated, I would.

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Speaker 4: Say it is. Indeed. Well, y'all, let's take another quick

852
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 4: word from our sponsors and then we'll be back with

853
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Speaker 4: the final segment of today's Strange News episode.

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Speaker 3: And we have returned with the last part of our

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Speaker 3: Strange News segment.

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Speaker 4: We do it every week.

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Speaker 3: This is something that ties into the concept of AI overall.

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Speaker 4: Now I'll keep this brief.

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Speaker 3: Guys, how do you feel about using algorithms to target people?

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Speaker 3: Since we mentioned works of fiction that could be arguably

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Speaker 3: predicted in the past, you know, the idea of something

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00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: like Minority Report. Would you be comfortable assigning certain aspects

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Speaker 3: of law enforcement to non organic minds?

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Speaker 2: And what are they looking for?

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Speaker 3: Well, in this case, I want to go to excellent

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Speaker 3: article by Matthew galt Over at Gizmoto, which swings above

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Speaker 3: its way class pretty often. The US State Department has

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Speaker 3: gone public with their plan to use AI to search

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Speaker 3: for pro hamas students people protesting protesting in support of

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Speaker 3: the group Hummas, and the end goal is to deport

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Speaker 3: those protesters if possible.

872
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 4: This is something you know.

873
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: The reason I'm saying go public with it is because obviously,

874
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 3: for the more cynical of us tuning in to tonight's

875
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: Strange News segment, we kind of already assumed something like

876
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: this was happening, right, Like, yeah, they would have already

877
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 3: have done this had the technology existed. So I think

878
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: there's a non zero likelihood. This is just a public statement.

879
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we've discussed how at some of those protests,

880
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: facial recognition was being used, what was a triangulation of

881
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: cellular phones was being used. There's all kinds of tracking

882
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: already happening. Isn't there something in the news about a

883
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: specific student, like a Palestinian activist that was there was

884
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: an attempt to.

885
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 4: Support it recently?

886
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mahmud Khalil is the first activist to be quote

887
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 3: disappeared by the current administration. You can go to you

888
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: can read an article about this on The Nation by

889
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 3: the journalist Laura Jedid Jeded. This happened very recently. This

890
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: guy was a Columbia University graduate. He had just gotten

891
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: He had just got out of Columbia University, and on

892
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: March eighth, they were found by two playing clothes operatives

893
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: who said his visa had been revoked and they were

894
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 3: there to deport him. His wife, who was with him

895
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: at the time, an American citizen eight months pregnant. She

896
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: was told that if she didn't shut up, comply and

897
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: go into their apartment, the men would arrest her too.

898
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 3: Khalil reasonably asked for a warrant.

899
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 4: One of them.

900
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 3: Get this, one of the agents pulled up their phone

901
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 3: and showed a photograph on their phone of what purported

902
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: to be a warrant and side note, it's not how

903
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 3: warrants work, geez man. Yeah, so this occurred. And while

904
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: this is occurring, we're also seeing a plan to deploy

905
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 3: ai as through a program called Catch and Revoke courtesy

906
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 3: of our friends at the State Department. What they're doing

907
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: is leveraging the algorithms to scan news reports and social

908
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: media accounts of students in the United States on a visa.

909
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 3: So right now, the idea is that this is not targeting,

910
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: you know, folks who already have US citizenship. It's targeting

911
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: people from abroad who might have problematic views.

912
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

913
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: Well, and you know, Khalil was at the head of

914
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 2: a student led activist movement, right, We've talked about those

915
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: in the past, so there is some gray area here too.

916
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: So it's very interesting to consider this stuff. But just

917
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: using someone's political views in that way to target them,

918
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: as you're saying, Ben, and then take like real action

919
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: like that, that's super troubling well, and if.

920
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, there was a statement that came out

921
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 4: of the Trump administration recently threatening schools, universities, and other

922
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 4: institutions of learning if they allowed any kind of protests

923
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 4: to take place on their campuses. Pretty broad language, you know,

924
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 4: around that kind of stuff, and pretty vague as to

925
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 4: what constitutes something that would be undesirable for this administration

926
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: for this law to apply, and threatening essentially to pull funding,

927
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: which also to be fair, occurred or something like this

928
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 4: their in previous administrations, depending on you know, there's a

929
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 4: very the conversation about the Middle East is always incredibly

930
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 4: sensitive here in the United States, such that some people

931
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 4: might object to us using that very diplomatic phrasing right

932
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 4: now on the air.

933
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: The idea, the goal is to use this system, whatever

934
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 3: is the engine of the catch and revoke car. It's

935
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 3: to use this system to travel back to about October seventh,

936
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, and from there parts all available social

937
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: media accounts correlated with footage and reports of protests for

938
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 3: about the public The public statement is about one hundred

939
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 3: thousand people who are in America's student exchange visitor system.

940
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Speaker 3: And the goal here is to punish anti Israel or

941
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: pro Hamas protesters who demonstrated on college campuses. The State Department,

942
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 3: speaking with Oxios officially, by the way, said quote, we

943
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: found literally zero visa revocations during the Biden administration, which

944
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: suggests a blind eye attitude toward law enforcement.

945
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 4: Does that mean, well, it means that.

946
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: It means that they want to they want to escalate

947
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 3: what they see as natural response or consequences for people protesting,

948
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: which is weird because protesting is historically a incredibly American thing.

949
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: It's in separational history of the United States.

950
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 2: In Khalil's case, it's just weird. Guys. They attempted to

951
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: revoke his student visa, as we were talking about, but

952
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: he didn't have a student visa. He had a green card, right,

953
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: and then they just told him in the moment, we're

954
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: revoking that too, which, okay, it's like.

955
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 3: Playing it's you know, it's like playing games with kids

956
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 3: where they try to shoot at each other with invisible

957
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 3: guns and the other kid is always saying, you missed me, though,

958
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 3: I got you though.

959
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 5: So.

960
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: But the difference here beyond childhood games is that this

961
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 3: has very real consequences. Two people that you know, you

962
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 3: may not disagree with them politically, but disagreeing with someone

963
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: doesn't automatically make them a terrorist, you know what I mean? Like,

964
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 3: for instance, Matt and I are very dear friends and

965
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: he eats raisin brand Owes good?

966
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 4: How many scoops toast?

967
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 2: I had a whole conversation last time was a waffle

968
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: House about how the raisin toast was. Everybody Everybody disagreed

969
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: with me, including the staff.

970
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 3: We've got several waffle House episodes coming up on these

971
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: shows and other related shows. Another scarier version of this,

972
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 3: I propose I want to get everybody's thoughts here, those

973
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 3: of us playing along at home, you guys in tennessee

974
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 3: Powell as well. What's the threshold for deploying AI in

975
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 3: this kind of regard? Again, Logically we've talked about it

976
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 3: in previous episodes or on Strange News or listener mail. Logically,

977
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 3: people will use any tech advantage or edge they can get.

978
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 3: Did you hear that the Pentagon has just inked a

979
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 3: deal to deploy AI agents for military use?

980
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 4: See, That's what I'm talking about. With all that jump

981
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 4: jumping the gun, jumping the.

982
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 2: Gun, y'all, yeah, Terminator there does seem to be no threshold.

983
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 4: I think we would argue, right or it's very low.

984
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dylan says, feels bad.

985
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 4: Man. I agree with you, Dylan.

986
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 3: This is a flagship program that's part of a larger

987
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: initiative called Thunderforge.

988
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 4: Or like a red flagship program.

989
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 2: We're gonna have, We're gonna We're gonna have to take

990
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: out this on That's all we got to do.

991
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 3: You move up the chain, Okay, with any operation on

992
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 3: this scale, you move up the chain. You get the

993
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: small ones first. So let's interrogate the moon right and

994
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 3: get some get some actionable data on the big.

995
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 4: Guy, and then we move. Butthead the Sun sucks.

996
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: It needs to be taken down. And parently, I hate

997
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: that guy. So and we appreciate that human life on

998
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: Earth or big majority of life on Earth is due

999
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: to the Sun.

1000
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 4: If only it weren't.

1001
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: So just you know, appreciate your earlier work.

1002
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 4: Dude, take it back and out, you know what I mean.

1003
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: So, anyway, this anti heavenly jokes aside, The Pentagon has

1004
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 3: signed a deal with a private wish wish, private AI

1005
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: company called Scale Ai. And this flagship program is in

1006
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 3: direct contravention to a lot of self imposed rules that

1007
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: places like Google or Microsoft or open ai already put

1008
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 3: on their initial research into, you know, into these non

1009
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: human intellectual pursuits. Last month, a senior official at the

1010
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 3: Pentagon told an outfit called Defense One that Uncle Sam

1011
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 3: is moving away from the research into autonomous robots with

1012
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 3: fatal capabilities and instead they're investing in AI power weaponry.

1013
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 3: So they're kind of moving another middleman out of the way.

1014
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 4: So that's just more like, we're going to invest in

1015
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 4: the software systems that can be adapted to weaponry. We

1016
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 4: already have more or less, right, Oh, you're ready for targeting?

1017
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 4: And yeah, I just wonder, like, I mean, it seems

1018
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 4: like maybe you know, we know that the research and

1019
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 4: development of software is certainly certainly a lot more affordable

1020
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 4: than research and development of hardware. That's a good point.

1021
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: That's a good point, though, if you're ready for were

1022
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 3: some fun, some fun public statement language.

1023
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 4: Here we go.

1024
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 3: In a statement the US Defense Innovation Unit or DEIU,

1025
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: not to be confused with the other one DUI totally different,

1026
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 3: but both maybe a little drunk at the wheel here.

1027
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 4: Maybe nice, they said.

1028
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 3: The following thunder Forge marks a decisive shift toward AI

1029
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 3: powered data driven warfare, ensuring US forces can anticipate and

1030
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: respond to threats with speed and precision. This system will

1031
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 3: allow planners to more rapidly synthesize vast amounts of information,

1032
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 3: generate multiple courses of action, and conduct a high powered

1033
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 3: war gaming to anticipate and respond to evolving threats.

1034
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 2: I would like to respond with a quote, real quick,

1035
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: I say, your civilization, because as soon as we started

1036
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: thinking for you, it really became our civilization, which is

1037
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 2: of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, Like

1038
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: the dinosaur, you had your time. The future is our world, Morpheus,

1039
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 2: the future is our time.

1040
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is apropos, I believe, and I

1041
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 3: love that we're shouting out science fiction here because uh,

1042
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: imagine just doing desert storm via chat.

1043
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 4: GPT, asking chat GPT like, well, you know, where should

1044
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 4: we go? What should we do? Right? Should we get this?

1045
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: Should we do a little desert storm chat GPT?

1046
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 3: Can you recommend a bullet pointed list of what I

1047
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: should do to take over Mosoul?

1048
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 4: Well?

1049
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: And now can you do it?

1050
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 3: And now can you just can you handle it real quick?

1051
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 3: Because I need that promotion. I want to take credit

1052
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 3: for stuff I didn't do oh for sure?

1053
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 4: Could I just said, just admit it kind of made

1054
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 4: me think of this when you mentioned war gaming. I

1055
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 4: don't know I've talked about this, but I keep seeing

1056
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 4: the story about a Nvidia developed AI boss fight in

1057
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 4: a kind of dungeon crawler type game. Apparently this is

1058
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 4: a boss fight that will learn the patterns of attack

1059
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 4: and the kind of I don't know variations between players

1060
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 4: and react accordingly. So it's just kind of interesting when

1061
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 4: you see it in this sort of I don't know,

1062
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 4: a little more frivolous consumer way, but it seems like

1063
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 4: a very similar type of technology that would be rolled

1064
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 4: out in the type of weaponry that.

1065
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 3: We're talking here, the normalization right of things that are

1066
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: at least big on knowns, if not fundamentally problematic. Here's

1067
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: the plot twist. I, aside from dunking so hard on this,

1068
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 3: and rightly so, I do believe it is a necessary

1069
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: evil for the modern military apparatus.

1070
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 4: It's kind of like the race for the atomic bob.

1071
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 3: We can all admit that it will lead to disaster,

1072
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: but if there's if you're in a room with five people,

1073
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 3: no matter who those people are, and there's one gun,

1074
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 3: wouldn't you prefer you be the one holding the gun?

1075
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 4: I think so.

1076
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: If I need a gun, I'll just use one of yours. Sorry, Sorry,

1077
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: that was breaking bad.

1078
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Mike Ahirman trouts, I love it.

1079
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 3: So I am in support of, not support. I am

1080
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 3: in troubled ambivalent perspective sharing and troubled perspective sharing of

1081
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 3: why this would be a necessary race. However, using AI

1082
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 3: to target, to target people for exercising freedom of speech

1083
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 3: and conflating that with acts of terrorism, that's pretty rough.

1084
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: It's kind of like, does committee vandalism at a Tesla

1085
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: at a Tesla dealership? Does it make you the new

1086
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 3: bin Laden?

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Speaker 4: They aren't. That's quite a jump. They are starting to

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Speaker 4: refer to it as the potential act of domestic terrorism.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't this kind of absolutely you are, And wouldn't this

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Speaker 4: kind of tech for a potentially totalitarian iron fil to

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Speaker 4: the regime be an absolute dream come true?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing, you know what I mean? And

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Speaker 3: maybe we do an episode on that in the future.

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Speaker 3: There are good things happening. First, we want to hear

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Speaker 3: your your reasoning or your thoughts on this large language

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01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 3: model or algorithmic targeting of people. Is it something that

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Speaker 3: should happen? Is it inevitable as we used to stay

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Speaker 3: on car stuff or your for it or aget it?

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Speaker 3: And if so, why don't want to leave you without

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Speaker 3: some good dope news to step two. Shout out to

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Speaker 3: a fellow conspiracy realist of ours, longtime listener who just

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Speaker 3: had a kid.

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01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 4: By the way, so we may have our newest youngest listener.

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Speaker 3: Sorry in advance, but our buddy rep hit us to

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Speaker 3: a fascinating bit of good or at least not evil news.

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Speaker 3: Light has been transformed into a super solid cool solid light.

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01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, final solid story solid light light.

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Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, I'm thinking Minecraft rules here. We're talking

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Speaker 2: like Glowstone where it still gives off light, gelatinous cube,

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Speaker 2: it's solid.

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Speaker 3: Okay, We're talking more like imagine taking the best things

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Speaker 3: about light and maple syrup and putting them together ut

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Speaker 3: off the taste.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, light has been now.

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Speaker 3: Moved to something that is described as an odd solid

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Speaker 3: that can flow like a fluid.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: Big shout out to our Italian friends, particularly Demitrius triple

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Speaker 3: Giorgios over at the National Research Council or CNR in Italy,

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Speaker 3: and he also gave respect where it's do and he said, look,

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Speaker 3: another one of my colleagues, more than a decade ago,

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Speaker 3: Danielle send Vito, showed this would be theoretically possible. The

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Speaker 3: math is way over my head.

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Speaker 4: Candidly, is there a practical use for this or is

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Speaker 4: this just another kind of scientific.

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Speaker 3: Flex Well, this is one of those things where civilization

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Speaker 3: figures out something as possible and then later figures out

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Speaker 3: the application, like maple syrup flavored light.

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Speaker 4: I think is where we're coming soon.

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Speaker 2: Well, just just because I can only imagine you'd have

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Speaker 2: to somehow slow down the photons, right that like and

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Speaker 2: put them in a some kind of.

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Speaker 4: Sort of medium, a suspension.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is awesome, It's very If you go to Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if you go to a New scientist uh with the

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Speaker 3: journal via the journalist Carmela Podovich Calligan, uh, then you'll

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01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 3: you'll see some stuff that, uh that stands out in

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Speaker 3: direct response to the question posed there. Matt I I

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01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 3: add some of the same ideas. And then there's one

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Speaker 3: line in this article that just says time may be

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Speaker 3: an illusion created by quantum entanglement. So are we really

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Speaker 3: slowing down the photons or we just exist? Adjusting how

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01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 3: they exist in observable reality. It's it's so they get

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Speaker 3: in the weeds. They took a laser. Lasers are amazing.

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Speaker 3: They shot the laser onto a piece of a semiconductor

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01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 3: that had a pattern of narrow ridges carved into it,

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01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 3: and then they said the following this is a quote

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Speaker 3: complex interactions between the light and the material, which is

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01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: aluminum gallium arsenite, they formed a type of hybrid particle

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Speaker 3: called a polariton p O L A R I T

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Speaker 3: O N. I think that's a cool word to just

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Speaker 3: throw out. You're being such a polaritan right now. Someone

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Speaker 3: on Facebook.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm sorry, I'm getting so many just thoughts about this.

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Speaker 2: Would think about it in time, man, because to our

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01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 2: experience of time, light travels so quickly. Right, But I'm

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01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: just trying to imagine from light's perspective, what does our

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01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 2: existence look like. It's sort of like how slow.

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01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 4: It's sort of the way the flash whenever he's depicted

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01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 4: in movies, like he's moving really normal speed, but everything

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01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 4: around is moving incredibly slow. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well then just but then as ben as you're saying,

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Speaker 2: like we're just getting or somehow our consciousness has just

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Speaker 2: adapted to whatever this is. This speeded right, but really

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Speaker 2: I don't know it's all relative anyway, But it's sorry,

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Speaker 2: it's just kind of it's making me have all kinds

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Speaker 2: of weird thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Same, same, This is hart to be.

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Speaker 3: This is why I have to stop texting you guys

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Speaker 3: at weird hour never, because otherwise it would just be

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01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 3: stuff like this. We need a physicist on this stat Okay,

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Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist, we're putting out the call right to us,

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Speaker 3: tell us what's going on, Explain quantum mechanics.

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Speaker 4: I've got to send you, guys.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite speeches I saw from a storied

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Speaker 3: professor of quantum mechanics.

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Speaker 4: It was so good.

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Speaker 3: The way he starts out is he says, all right,

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Speaker 3: for the next seven days, we're going to discuss quantum

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01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 3: mechanics I don't know anything about Like, I know very

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01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 3: little about it, and at the end of this week

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01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 3: you will also not know what we're talking about and

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01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 3: also not understand it. And I thought that was amazing.

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Speaker 3: That's how a good professor should be.

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Speaker 2: I saw it too. You can now we can collectively

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01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 2: spread our misunderstanding and not understanding.

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Speaker 4: Of this thing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, there's something humble in God like to that.

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Speaker 3: But with that, folks, there's so much other stuff to

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Speaker 3: get to. I didn't even get to talk about the

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Speaker 3: Lilavati hospital bribery and black magic. Please do check that

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01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 3: story out. Batteries can now be powered by nuclear waste.

1193
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: That's also in play. Yes, yeah, that part is true.

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01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 3: You can go to Science Alert and check out an

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01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 3: article on March tenth by David Neild which says there

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Speaker 3: is a possible way to power batteries for my micro electronics,

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Speaker 3: specifically using the gamma radiation emitted by nuclear waste. So

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Speaker 3: for the optimist in the crowd, yay, that's awesome, we

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Speaker 3: found a way to use nuclear waste. For the more

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Speaker 3: cidical in the crowd, wow, does this mean that eventually

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Speaker 3: will purposely make more nuclear waste?

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Speaker 2: Wait, we might have to though, right for all batteries,

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01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 2: for all the data centers and the AI that's got

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Speaker 2: on everything. Now we can use that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, oh, what a fausti embargain. What a pyrrhic victory

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Speaker 3: we're facing right now? About ten percent of the world's

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Speaker 3: overall energy demands are met by nuclear power. It is

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Speaker 3: an alternative to fossil fuel. It is when things go well,

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Speaker 3: amazing no notes. When things go wrong, they go horrifically wrong,

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Speaker 3: such that entire swaths of land may be animical to

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Speaker 3: human existence. So there's a lot at stake here, and

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Speaker 3: to figure it out, we need you all, fellow conspiracy realist, physicist,

1214
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Speaker 3: nuclear quantum or otherwise, please do contact us.

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Speaker 4: I'm keeping this.

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Speaker 3: Part of our weekly segment short, but we will be

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Speaker 3: returning in the future with one of our most exciting programs,

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Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight three

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Speaker 4: It is one of the rare opportunities to give yourself

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Speaker 2: I just want to add yes, absolutely, Otherwise we will

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Speaker 2: make one up for you. If you just call in anonymously,

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Speaker 2: we'll just use some of the words you used, and

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Speaker 2: then that's your new nickname. Do call us and let

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Speaker 2: us know what you think about Michey o Kaku's website

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Speaker 2: mkaku dot org. It's beautiful. Thank you Tennessee pal for

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Speaker 2: letting us see that. If you've got more to say,

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Speaker 2: got links, maybe you've got pictures. Whatever you've got, send

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Speaker 3: we receive. Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void

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Speaker 3: writes back and we don't use AI to respond to you. However,

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Speaker 3: I do want to point out one of my favorite

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Speaker 3: Reddit comments regarding the State Department's AI actions. Granham twenty

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Speaker 3: two says, oh, this is the same AI that removed

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