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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Tuesday, January twenty seventh, and

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Speaker 1: there is a change in tone, there is a change

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Speaker 1: in strategy, and there is a change in leadership on

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Speaker 1: the streets of Minneapolis. Welcome to this episode of Amy

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Speaker 1: and TJ. Rose the Does it feel like the tide

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Speaker 1: has finally turned? There has been now, we can say,

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Speaker 1: a shift, and cooler heads seem to be prevailing in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, and it's about time.

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Speaker 3: It's sad that it took three public killings for this

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Speaker 3: to happen, but yes, Alex Pretti's killing has absolutely and

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Speaker 3: the reaction to it and the videos that don't agree

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Speaker 3: with the statements, all of that has built up to

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Speaker 3: a point now where finally we are seeing some it's

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Speaker 3: not reconciliation, but at least an acknowledgment of the other position.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we went from get the fuck out of Minneapolis too.

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Speaker 1: I just had a good phone call. That's why don't

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Speaker 1: you have the good phone call at the beginning? I

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Speaker 1: understand the anger is there, and but we had to

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Speaker 1: get through all this with somebody else died because these

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Speaker 1: folks weren't talking on the phone. So yes, folks, what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about here in Minneapolis as we're getting up

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Speaker 1: on this morning on Tuesday, there is absolutely a change

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Speaker 1: in the mindset, in the tone in the tune from everybody.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the update here, and let's not

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Speaker 1: say everything is all good. There was fairly ugly scene

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Speaker 1: last night. We'll tell you this first. Folks that last night,

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Speaker 1: I believe at least a dozen I don't think dozens,

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Speaker 1: one of these scenes we've seen at a hotel. They

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Speaker 1: think Bevino staying at this hotel. Group of protesters show up.

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Speaker 1: They've been banging pots and whatnot, but they were told

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Speaker 1: to disperse. So last night went up until ten o'clock

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Speaker 1: local time, freezing temperatures. But they arrested a dozen or

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Speaker 1: so folks last night to get them away. They thought

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Speaker 3: Yes, I actually read twenty six people were arrested last

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Speaker 3: night outside the hotel because yes, dozens, and they said

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Speaker 3: It got heated outside of that hotel because they were

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Speaker 3: is just look, if you've got the announcement that the

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Speaker 2: And I shouldn't tell people what to do, but it

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Speaker 2: just seems like.

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Speaker 3: It would have maybe been in the spirit of saying,

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Speaker 3: nice to see that not happen, but it happened. Ten

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Speaker 3: dozens of people were arrested.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to express themselves in right now. They feel

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Speaker 1: to some degree that they have an advantage that they

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Speaker 1: are actually have at least winning at this point, because yes,

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Speaker 1: this is a big deal. The face, the name you

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Speaker 1: the operation that is headline won. There will be a

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Speaker 1: change in leadership on the ground in Minneapolis. And well

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Speaker 1: who you've been seeing Greg Bavino, and you've seen a

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, is being pointed to is why he's being

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Speaker 1: pulled out. But Greg Bavino is being taken out of Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: being replaced by the bordersar Tom Homan, also big deal. Trump, Waltz,

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Speaker 1: a very different tune. Other headline. Agents will start leaving today.

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Speaker 1: You hear that, folks, That surge of federal agents in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: But robes the big headline. And look, Greg Bavino. He

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Speaker 1: But he has been the face this is a big

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Speaker 3: That face is gone after today, leaving Minneapolis today along

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Speaker 3: with several of those agents, which will be a cause

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Speaker 3: But yeah, he was the top commander. He is the

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Speaker 1: It didn't take analysis of the video now it was

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Speaker 1: Right if you just say, hey, we're going to look

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Speaker 1: So are they came out and defended they were lying

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Speaker 3: And not only did they come out defending the Border

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Speaker 3: believe as journalists what you tell us now because you've

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Speaker 3: just proven that we cannot.

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Speaker 1: Again, that's one thing. If the press doesn't believe you,

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Speaker 1: but the public doesn't believe you, they don't have to

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Speaker 1: They can hear Christy Nomes say, this guy came here

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Speaker 1: is the thing that many believe has changed this whole

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Speaker 1: how Baveno and Gnome have handled and coming out and

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Speaker 1: has been put in a position to where public sentiment

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Speaker 1: knows it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and he knows it, and he is acting accordingly.

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Speaker 3: He understands. I think, look, you even look at the

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Speaker 3: exact thing is happening in Minneapolis right now. He knows

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Speaker 3: when he cannot overcome a situation where he cannot force

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Speaker 3: CNN reported this and I see you have it here

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Speaker 2: Access has been taken away.

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Speaker 3: That is what they are reporting. That might just speak

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Speaker 1: What was a commander at large, I think is what

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, he's probably doing what he

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Speaker 1: So he's apparently been banned from doing that by the administration,

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Speaker 1: not by X by the way, but the White House

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Speaker 1: made clear that he is not being relieved of his

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Speaker 1: removing him. You can't do that, So the guy's just

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Speaker 1: moving to another spot now. Asked specifically about being demoted

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Speaker 1: or reassigned, Catherine excuse me, Carolyn Levitt at the White

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Speaker 1: House yesterday said he is very much going to continue

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Speaker 1: to lead customs and Border patrol throughout and across the country.

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Speaker 1: He's leaving, He's leaving at least Minneapolis. She was asked specifically,

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Speaker 1: is he leaving Minneapolis? That was her answer, Nope, He's

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Speaker 1: going to continue to lead customs and border patrol throughout

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Speaker 2: The country, across the country, just not in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: We heard that. So he's being replaced by Holman, who

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Speaker 1: apparently Roes has a pretty good reputation on both sides.

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Speaker 3: Uh. Yes, And it seems like he is the man

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Speaker 3: that perhaps not just Minneapolis needs, but that the country

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Speaker 3: needs at this point. He is the borders are sixty

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Speaker 3: many administrations, specifically during the Obama administration, which you know,

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Speaker 3: for folks who are on either side of the political aisle,

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Speaker 3: it is so much about Republicans versus Democrats, the administration

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Speaker 1: And they were quick to point out at one point

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Speaker 1: him some credit. It's crazy. I can get along with

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Speaker 1: therefore now I'm good. Should be the case. But we'll

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Speaker 1: take you.

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Speaker 2: It's rare these days, but.

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Speaker 1: He is on his way. He supposed to be there

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Speaker 1: to day now. We talked about robes, the other shifts,

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Speaker 1: and a big part of this I help me here.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember them? Saying they had been on the

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Speaker 1: phone prior to this, as Trump talked to waltz Or

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Speaker 1: Trump talked to Mayor Fry before. I can't remember.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they have.

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Speaker 3: What I I remember is Walt's publicly saying that he

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Speaker 2: He was trying to reach out, he was trying to call.

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Speaker 3: Trump and he hadn't heard back, so he was throwing

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Speaker 1: Okay, so apparently they all got on the phone yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and what a difference a phone call makes. They all

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Speaker 1: came out yesterday Robes, Trump, Fry, and Walt and gave

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Speaker 1: their own I guess account of how those calls went.

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Speaker 1: Every single one of them said, at least it was productive,

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Speaker 1: and they were all quite respectful of the people. They

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Speaker 1: have been publicly horrib I mean, just hurling all kinds

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Speaker 1: of insults publicly. But sweetheart, this was this always happens,

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Speaker 1: remember Mom, Donnie. The worst thing they were saying about

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Speaker 1: each other. He goes to the White House and they look, buddy, buddy,

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Speaker 1: this is just one of those things. They sound like

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, you know what. I don't need to understand it.

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Speaker 3: I'm just happy that's happening. Yes, this is what Trump

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Speaker 3: had to say about Mayor Fry, because what he's had

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Speaker 1: How about this for a line the Governor very respectfully understood,

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Speaker 3: So there was they were dangling, hey, just let us

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Speaker 2: It's amazing what conversation and communication can do.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're literally talking about. Two phone calls have changed.

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Speaker 3: What's so interesting is everything President Trump has said that

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Speaker 2: He's got his Board of Peace, He's basically solved.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, he finally figured it out in

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Speaker 1: We always put something in front of something in chief,

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Speaker 2: That's right, he said.

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Speaker 3: I expressed how much Minneapolis has benefited from our immigrant

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Speaker 3: Federal agents will begin leaving the area tomorrow, and I

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Speaker 1: Wow that tomorrow being today, folks, we are going to suit.

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Speaker 1: We've been hearingge surge surge. There were two thousand there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just I just it's so sad that it

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Speaker 1: And Governor Waltz spoke as well. I had a productive

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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, you were laughing as well when we

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Speaker 2: Yes, in the United States of America.

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Speaker 1: He said he had a productive call with the President.

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Speaker 1: And we should let you know, folks, that we have

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