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Speaker 3: I knew his Scruggs ain't play multi. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, I wake up out.
Speaker 3: They ain't got no hurts.
Speaker 4: Like y'all, just the smarter way.
Speaker 3: One thing I found when I went to the Pro
Speaker 3: Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, that there's your bus and they
Speaker 2: need to put like what ligament you gave up out
Speaker 2: your body? Because everyone when I saw these dudes with
Speaker 2: gold Jackson, everybody had something.
Speaker 4: I'm like, hurting, man. Everybody was hurt. Man.
Speaker 2: I mean you you weren't in the Hall of fame
Speaker 2: unless you gave up something in your body. Like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm just I'll just watch something that's true.
Speaker 3: It is something.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: I remember the first time I met a bunch of
Speaker 2: Hall of Deacon Jones, a bunch of people in that l.
Speaker 4: It was great.
Speaker 3: It was great. But man, I just saw just hit.
Speaker 5: I know he got them D Line fingers that they
Speaker 5: talk about. Oh, I don't know about it.
Speaker 3: Handshakes were scary.
Speaker 4: It's different, like you got two fingers going this way.
Speaker 2: Like if you ever get to see Anthony Muno's former
Speaker 2: Cincinnati baby, his.
Speaker 3: Finger goes way. I mean it was way. Oh man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the handshakes when you meeting Hall of famerus is
Speaker 2: very different, especially D Line because their hands are they're mangled,
Speaker 2: they are mangled.
Speaker 6: Baldinger, Yes, every body, Yeah, Audie hands Jack Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Without corner right now, I got eyes on all y'all.
Speaker 3: It is it is so all right.
Speaker 2: Finally the week is over. Okay, two Monday night football games.
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield and company go down the field and they
Speaker 2: make the game in Houston.
Speaker 4: Was baking. Three of you all.
Speaker 3: Had it yesterday.
Speaker 2: Trey, you had a twenty four thirteen Tampa Church. You
Speaker 2: had a twenty four fourteen Tampa dor set and you
Speaker 2: had a twenty seven twenty fourth Tampa. I went with
Speaker 2: Houston I had, I had a twenty one twenty.
Speaker 3: I thought I was looking good too.
Speaker 4: It was almost got you.
Speaker 3: Miko Ryan's defense, that's no pass rush.
Speaker 4: Though they was missing some many time. Will was getting
Speaker 4: around there a couple of times.
Speaker 7: I'm talking on that last ride, last round, they wasn't
Speaker 7: making that.
Speaker 4: It was gas.
Speaker 3: Then it wasn't good.
Speaker 4: It wasn't good.
Speaker 3: I'm you're at home now. Now Houston's going too.
Speaker 2: And you know, I sit around here and think by
Speaker 2: the Cowboys being one and one and one and.
Speaker 3: One owing to the whole different type.
Speaker 2: Of hole in this league, in this league of what
Speaker 2: it is you're fighting through. And it was a home
Speaker 2: game for Houston and you had a lead at the end.
Speaker 4: But if.
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken, I believe the in in my in
Speaker 5: my good brother Demiko, because you know that was my
Speaker 5: doggie coach and played against him. In his defense, I
Speaker 5: want to say, since he's been a head coach, they
Speaker 5: started oh and to uh every time since he's been there,
Speaker 5: and they made the playoffs. So if from Houston, I
Speaker 5: ain't just gonna jump ship yet. I've been seeing a
Speaker 5: lot of like, hey, what is Domico doing?
Speaker 4: What is CJ. Stroud doing for him? If if if.
Speaker 5: I'm him, I'm telling the team we've been here before,
Speaker 5: we know how to do this. So it's not the
Speaker 5: panic button. But for other teams that haven't been in there,
Speaker 5: have been to the playoffs in a while, you can't
Speaker 5: afford to take those steps.
Speaker 4: Back, like isn't Casey? Oh and to right now is Casey?
Speaker 2: I was gonna bring that up next to next two
Speaker 2: for the Texans, They've got they got to go to
Speaker 2: to Jacksonville, So going to that September game in the heat,
Speaker 2: as you know, playing that that is not.
Speaker 3: An easy game.
Speaker 2: And then they host the Titans at home, so they
Speaker 2: got two divisional games coming up at Slops.
Speaker 5: Is not no Slops, but Jacksonville. If I'm there, I'm
Speaker 5: saying this is what we're getting at licked.
Speaker 7: Back man crazy.
Speaker 6: The Titans is known for digging a hole in Jacksonville
Speaker 6: the Titan period.
Speaker 5: And I'm talking about Jacksonville from what I've seen from
Speaker 5: them and their gameplay and the way the team was
Speaker 5: like dull, like you got your players over there, sit
Speaker 5: over here, like I would be like, hey man, it's
Speaker 5: a turmoil.
Speaker 7: Going on, NA.
Speaker 6: But I'm just saying that's that's a divisional game, like
Speaker 6: you said, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I've been a part of that, that rivalry.
Speaker 6: If you want to call in that division, and yeah,
Speaker 6: that's gonna be a good game. But at the same time,
Speaker 6: I'm you know, here I go again with my heart right.
Speaker 4: They don't do it man or in the last place
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, cam Ward is actually doing
Speaker 6: the decent job and.
Speaker 4: His first touchdown pass, yeah he put on the dot.
Speaker 2: You're speaking to Kansas City there on Sunday night football
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 3: They've got the Giants. They're going to the Giants, So
Speaker 3: you gotta get that.
Speaker 6: I mean, when y'all see games like this, Okay, like
Speaker 6: since since Cowboys just played the Giants and then the
Speaker 6: case by playing, do y'all ever like say, measure the
Speaker 6: teams off of how they play against that team too
Speaker 6: as well? So like we're gonna look at k C
Speaker 6: and say, okay, like if they played them like that,
Speaker 6: could the Cowboys maybe beat k C?
Speaker 4: Do you do stuff like that. I can't.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's former players. We can't do that
Speaker 5: no more because I haven't been my rookie year. I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, that team beat them. We're historically better
Speaker 5: than them. I know, we look better than them. And
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, that team we were just
Speaker 5: looking down upon what they say any given Sunday.
Speaker 4: Is so for me as a player, I don't look
Speaker 4: at it like that.
Speaker 5: I do take some measurements and I say, hey, if
Speaker 5: you're playing your best and then you do them like that,
Speaker 5: then yeah.
Speaker 8: But no, no, it's all about matchups, man. For me,
Speaker 8: That's how I always looked at the game. I mean, like,
Speaker 8: you know, when you're going against their you know, line
Speaker 8: might be transed, but they got skilled positions everywhere, and
Speaker 8: they be like, man, it's gonna be a tough matchup
Speaker 8: for us in the secondary and vice versa. Maybe their
Speaker 8: wide receivers and tight ends aren't like that, but man,
Speaker 8: they offensive line is like that, so we're gonna have
Speaker 8: to be covering a little bit longer.
Speaker 9: So to me, it's always about matchups in the.
Speaker 4: National football He'll come in hot.
Speaker 2: Bart Scott us always say that to me. Why I
Speaker 2: wanted to radio show with him for it for a place.
Speaker 2: Styles make fights, Yep, exactly, Styles make fights. Who says
Speaker 2: you have to look at that? And then when I
Speaker 2: read Bill Belichick's book this summer, The Art of Winning,
Speaker 2: he said, what you says, you can't do it because
Speaker 2: when do you play someone matters?
Speaker 3: You know, is it your health? Where are you at,
Speaker 3: what are the conditions? You know?
Speaker 2: We talking about Florida, going to Florida in September, and
Speaker 2: at the end of the year, it's different.
Speaker 4: Man, win.
Speaker 5: They say, you got two hours to yourself throughout that
Speaker 5: two hours. The good vests, they get their team together,
Speaker 5: like I will never forget been in New York all
Speaker 5: the vests, justin Tuck Introil Rose. They brought all the
Speaker 5: rookies together and was like, no, you're getting the ivy
Speaker 5: right now, Like we're gonna we need you, Demontre because
Speaker 5: you're playing and we know how much you do this,
Speaker 5: so we're paying for your IVY. And I didn't realize
Speaker 5: the importance of it until like you got down there.
Speaker 5: You played for Jacksonville's Miami it is it is mucky.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you look.
Speaker 2: During during Bill Belichick's tenure at Miami, I mean in
Speaker 2: New England. Winning at Miami was hard for him. And
Speaker 2: I remember the great eighty five Bears the game they
Speaker 2: only game they lost was December in Miami, and they
Speaker 2: talked about, hey man, you know you're getting in that
Speaker 2: it matters. So so that's why the thing is just
Speaker 2: who do you play, where do you play in the
Speaker 2: timing of it.
Speaker 3: What's the health of your football team?
Speaker 2: So to sit up here say hey, you know what,
Speaker 2: you know they beat them, and how do I measure it?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 3: It's a total, totally different.
Speaker 2: Thing because now if you're the Cowboys this Giants game,
Speaker 2: considering what happened with your secondary and not happened blanded,
Speaker 2: those kinds of things, what if three months later you
Speaker 2: know you you fixed it and you're good.
Speaker 10: So all of it. It just it's a week to
Speaker 10: week league. Basically, it is any given Sunday, it.
Speaker 3: Is a week to week league.
Speaker 2: The other Monday night football game, the Raiders got tore
Speaker 2: up by the Chargers. You her Trey ha Trey had
Speaker 2: the Raiders seventeen thirteen.
Speaker 3: Dorset.
Speaker 2: You had at twenty one fourteen Church and I we
Speaker 2: went with with Herb Herb justin Herbert Church he had
Speaker 2: at twenty to seventeen. I had a twenty six twenty chargers,
Speaker 2: So they got it done. Apparently Tom Brady's in the
Speaker 2: booths listening to you know.
Speaker 4: Oh Tom Brady. D was going on, he can do
Speaker 4: whatever you want.
Speaker 7: You're there, call it down.
Speaker 4: On the field. Hey, you can have these production meetings,
Speaker 4: but not on TV. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: You can go talk to these people and then go
Speaker 8: up to the booth like, hey man, when they do
Speaker 8: this and they get they looking at this guy, that's
Speaker 8: crazy all day.
Speaker 5: That is what is so crazy about it, because we're
Speaker 5: talking about the go of the game. We're talking about
Speaker 5: a guy that plays the most important position on the field,
Speaker 5: Like it's your job to break down coverages and stuff
Speaker 5: like that, to play, to be a long tenured player
Speaker 5: like he is now to be in the front office
Speaker 5: on the ownership and then you see the sports broadcasting.
Speaker 4: Yeah you crazy. If I ain't over here.
Speaker 5: I'm looking like this, and then next week I'm in
Speaker 5: my owner suite. Hey I got a little tell whenever
Speaker 5: he blinked like this.
Speaker 4: It's crazy. I mean, your facility, but that's why your facility.
Speaker 5: Other people lookout, Robo broke it down when he did
Speaker 5: his first coverage and breaking that game down. You don't
Speaker 5: think Brady's doing that right now saying I.
Speaker 4: Want to win.
Speaker 8: You guys, ever been in one of those like Sunday
Speaker 8: night football Monday night production meetings? So I did a
Speaker 8: couple with Chris Collinsworth and everything, and you know they'll
Speaker 8: sit you down for about you know, fifteen twelve minutes
Speaker 8: and they're asking everything. So you know, what do you
Speaker 8: think the strengths are of your deep and you know
Speaker 8: when you are you gonna attack this quarterback?
Speaker 4: Because they used a ten bits on the broadcast.
Speaker 8: I was talking to Church and you know, when they
Speaker 8: come out of this formation, they see this, so this
Speaker 8: is how they're gonna attack it.
Speaker 9: So it makes them, you know.
Speaker 8: Seem better in the booth what you understand and you
Speaker 8: and you're and you're Brady, So you're gonna be in
Speaker 8: that Collinsworth seat asking these questions. So when they play
Speaker 8: the Raiders, gonna be man, you know they do this,
Speaker 8: This is exactly what it's gonna be. Like.
Speaker 5: It's crazy, but do you but do you does he
Speaker 5: get a little bit of leeway because it's like even
Speaker 5: with him doing all that, y'all still lost, but he said,
Speaker 5: you're still lost.
Speaker 2: No, Like no, because when we understand this is the
Speaker 2: first year programming that making changes, but it also becomes
Speaker 2: over a perception of it.
Speaker 5: He personally, I agree with y'all wholeheartedly, but as a
Speaker 5: as a Raiders fan or Tom Brady's gonna be bla bro.
Speaker 4: What am I doing? We lost? Like we're good.
Speaker 5: Because back in it's gonna come back to help you.
Speaker 5: But I'm just playing Devil's advocate. That's wow, it is
Speaker 5: it is. And then they kept flashing to him like, hey,
Speaker 5: you see Tom said on.
Speaker 4: The fact that even said that.
Speaker 5: During the middle of the broadcast, they said, yo, Tom
Speaker 5: sits in these meetings, and we talked to the coaches
Speaker 5: saying thank you because of the way that he's showing
Speaker 5: us the game. It's a whole different perspect.
Speaker 6: Because you hear how Pete Carroll came back like I
Speaker 6: just saw it before we came in here. Pete Carroll
Speaker 6: was on there just correcting some things because I think
Speaker 6: it was I can't remember which coach was saying that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we talked to Tom. We go over game playing and
Speaker 6: everything else.
Speaker 4: With you peek.
Speaker 6: Carro was like, nobody, don't hey, smart guy. Right Carroll
Speaker 6: came back. It's like, now you know, he's just in
Speaker 6: the building. He's a great resource to us. Let me
Speaker 6: clean this up right now before we get in any
Speaker 6: any trouble.
Speaker 5: With what the levy's break, because it's like they do
Speaker 5: have a microscope on meal, Like that was a big knock.
Speaker 5: It's just crazy how big of a knock this was
Speaker 5: before the season even started, when people were like, Hey,
Speaker 5: how's he going to call games and stuff? And now
Speaker 5: that we're actually here in real live time, it's radio silent,
Speaker 5: like you don't hear as much.
Speaker 4: I thought this morning I would have got up and hurt.
Speaker 5: And maybe because the Raiders didn't win, that's why a
Speaker 5: lot of people weren't talking about it as much, but
Speaker 5: I thought it would have been bigger headlines overall.
Speaker 2: You have to be very cautious if you're Jim Harball,
Speaker 2: you know, and Brady's doing a game for you somewhere
Speaker 2: down the road for Fox, because you're like, wait a minute, man,
Speaker 2: you know you're in my division. I don't want to
Speaker 2: sit around here and give you in and then so
Speaker 2: so you're the head coach of the player and give
Speaker 2: this do nothing.
Speaker 3: And that's that's that. That would be what I would tight.
Speaker 6: So I got a friend of mine, who I think
Speaker 6: Terry Kills might be the first former NFL player that's
Speaker 6: actually an official now right, play with me with the Titans.
Speaker 6: Also played for the for the forty nine ers two
Speaker 6: as well, and talking to him, they wouldn't allow him
Speaker 6: to do games for teams.
Speaker 7: That he previously played for.
Speaker 6: So he couldn't do a forty nine game, he couldn't
Speaker 6: do a Titan game. I think like eventually schedule end
Speaker 6: up changing because they had to do something with you know,
Speaker 6: just different officially officiating teams.
Speaker 7: But yeah, initially he couldn't even do any of those games.
Speaker 3: Conflict of you're trying to prevented.
Speaker 4: Really you're you're a detailed oriented guy.
Speaker 5: Do you know like the nuances of like in his
Speaker 5: contract or what they let be put out there what
Speaker 5: he can do, because I know there were certain games
Speaker 5: that Brady couldn't call, or at least they mentioned that.
Speaker 4: Is there any restrictions?
Speaker 2: No, I don't know, I honestly I don't know, but
Speaker 2: it's just just it was the perception, and that's what
Speaker 2: so much of this comes down to the perception. And
Speaker 2: then just when you go into these meetings, because I've
Speaker 2: just even at a collegiate level, haven't talked to different
Speaker 2: coaches at times that when these other coaches get let
Speaker 2: go and all of a sudden, now they're here, that
Speaker 2: sometimes they're even guarded about. Hey, you know, because the
Speaker 2: coaching industry, everybody's friends, and some people closer friends than others.
Speaker 2: Or hey, I got fired, but I used to coach
Speaker 2: for so and so and such and such. They're in
Speaker 2: these production means wondering, Okay, man, these are your boys
Speaker 2: over here. What are you going to say? And people
Speaker 2: can get upset at times and say, well, you're questioning
Speaker 2: my integrity.
Speaker 3: But we know coaches are the most.
Speaker 2: Superstitious dudes out here, secreted guys out here. So those
Speaker 2: meetings and just who's in there, man, that stuff, that
Speaker 2: stuff matters. But on that college level because they get
Speaker 2: rid of so many guys. And then we also know this,
Speaker 2: we seeing it too many these college coaches get fired
Speaker 2: and want to go TV. They burned dog going around here.
Speaker 2: They waiting to talk to the A D, the president
Speaker 2: over that universe, Hey, Howard, things on I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: just doing this, so.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Here you go.
Speaker 2: I was I was waiting on Josh Hoover outside and
Speaker 2: we were keen of staying with Carolina again with pro
Speaker 2: TCU and no, no, they were coming off the field.
Speaker 2: It was Jimbo Fisher who introduced himself to the president
Speaker 2: at tc U, the chancellor.
Speaker 3: Hey, you know a d they're shaking hands and everything.
Speaker 10: I was laughing as I would say, to hire them,
Speaker 10: because you want some of that money back?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I want. Hey, you're talking.
Speaker 3: About somebody offset money.
Speaker 4: Yes, get some of it back. So I just I
Speaker 4: just let and you want Jimbo purple tie that? Boy? Good?
Speaker 4: That boy? Hey? Hey hey Church, what you say? Boy?
Speaker 4: You gotta give me that?
Speaker 7: You see that look good?
Speaker 4: And purple tie on?
Speaker 3: Do I have on purple? It was, you know what
Speaker 3: I said.
Speaker 4: But they say work smarter, not harder. I'm not opposed
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, boy good?
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones with some things to say on his radio
Speaker 2: show on Tuesday, especially about the secondary for people.
Speaker 4: Who have some questions too.
Speaker 3: Let's dive into that next with Barry Church.
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Speaker 2: O five three M and Jerry said they don't have
Speaker 2: much interest. When asked about trying to sign former Dallas
Speaker 2: Cowboy free agent corner Stephan Gilmour, he spoke about how
Speaker 2: Doron Bland and rookie Shavon Ravel are on the way.
Speaker 4: What did you say last show?
Speaker 5: Knew if somebody said, if you want to know cooks,
Speaker 5: if you want to know, go to the show.
Speaker 3: Not yeah, So he said, blad Mike, Blad.
Speaker 5: Mike, that's crazy for are you But are they rushing
Speaker 5: him back? Like I asked these questions and that's.
Speaker 3: A legitimate question. But the owner said, you know, it
Speaker 3: could be.
Speaker 5: What he said goes we all know this around.
Speaker 8: Doctor Jones played you can't gilly a.
Speaker 2: He didn't say play this week, but he just said
Speaker 2: on the way he's on the way, I don't matter.
Speaker 5: You need somebody here yesterday? What are we talking about?
Speaker 5: Did somebody throw up four of them things on you? Like,
Speaker 5: like to disrespect somebody a player that's already been here,
Speaker 5: that is a proven perennial pro bowler and still has something.
Speaker 4: Left in the team. You can't. You can't, all right,
Speaker 4: you can't discredit experience.
Speaker 3: So here here's something.
Speaker 2: And I love this because I got it from Mickey
Speaker 2: Spagnol who works over here as well.
Speaker 3: What's the cost? Because all day long this is true.
Speaker 4: You know this is true.
Speaker 3: Stefani just coming there from a million dollars.
Speaker 7: He no, he's not anywhere.
Speaker 5: He's not gonna come for a million because, first of all,
Speaker 5: his VET minimum is way more than okay.
Speaker 2: But but he's got you got okay to get to
Speaker 2: get you off the couch, to get anybody off the
Speaker 2: couch who's been a defensive player of the Year with
Speaker 2: a resume like that, dude ain't just coming up here
Speaker 2: for niggas gave.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: Like the need. I'm sorry, I don't mean to get
Speaker 5: too frustrated about that, but you gave Clowney this money
Speaker 5: coming off the couch. That was a dire need for
Speaker 5: a dire situation. Four of them things over four hundred
Speaker 5: plus throwing your You don't need him.
Speaker 7: Well if they need him in here for for he
Speaker 7: can teach.
Speaker 4: He could teach, he can coach, and he can still play,
Speaker 4: and they need to pay that right now.
Speaker 3: Diggs was following this man when he was here.
Speaker 4: He exactly.
Speaker 3: So I'm not debating you on that.
Speaker 2: When I'm debating you on when we have when we
Speaker 2: talk about these things, you always have to what does
Speaker 2: the player want? Because Clowney came here. I'm good right now.
Speaker 2: You know what I really meant. The number ein't what
Speaker 2: I needed to be. Next thing, you know, Russ dropping
Speaker 2: bombs over the back.
Speaker 5: Then hey, you're gonna come meet that number hunh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we got it, what found it?
Speaker 10: We got him, got gonna be calling in five minutes.
Speaker 10: I told you, you show me the money. So so
Speaker 10: I mean and and looks just look at Gilmore's career.
Speaker 10: He like climbing and he played for free. No I
Speaker 10: got I got he got a real.
Speaker 5: They do, but they did South Carolina, so you you don't.
Speaker 5: But but when you got situations like that, you know
Speaker 5: there's a diar need and you're trying to get back
Speaker 5: in there. We all know that your homeboy hits you up. Man,
Speaker 5: just take a little bit of a discount. It's gonna
Speaker 5: be good over here. We chicken, bro, you can come
Speaker 5: do your thing.
Speaker 3: He done that.
Speaker 6: But the whole thing is this, though he says that
Speaker 6: he wants to play like he's he he's publicly said that.
Speaker 7: He wanted to play.
Speaker 6: And if you don't have a lot of people knocking
Speaker 6: on your door, you know you're gonna take what's what's
Speaker 6: coming down.
Speaker 4: To pack that number, that number is gonna go down
Speaker 4: a little bit, just a little bit.
Speaker 6: I don't I don't know, Like that's you have that
Speaker 6: many options, right, That's what I said.
Speaker 4: Like who I think he has options? Like you said.
Speaker 5: I just think the number is not what it wanted
Speaker 5: to be. Like who's gonna who's going to give you
Speaker 5: in first? Like I'm giving you all my numbers. Somebody's
Speaker 5: gonna meet this number. And I think it's the way.
Speaker 9: This is also a man that's made a ton.
Speaker 4: Of money, a ton of how does his body.
Speaker 8: And so is he gonna sit there on the couch
Speaker 8: and be like Yo, nobody's called, but Cowboy's coming in
Speaker 8: for one five.
Speaker 4: I'm good, like, it's not worth it. That's what I said.
Speaker 4: You gotta gotta those injuries.
Speaker 2: When I was doing radio show bar Scott, that was
Speaker 2: the same thing. It's like, hey man, I'm not playing
Speaker 2: right now, he said. And I've had offers, but I'm
Speaker 2: not coming for that exactly. And he said, I because automatically.
Speaker 2: And I loved how Bart thought about whatever number you
Speaker 2: tell me, slice it in half the taxes right now,
Speaker 2: and he said, is it worth my body and what
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to give and the way I
Speaker 2: play for this? And nobody made him that offer, said
Speaker 2: he never went back and play. Once he stopped, He's like, nah,
Speaker 2: it's not worth it to my body. And so if
Speaker 2: I'm I'm imagining Gilmour, who has a Hall of fame
Speaker 2: resume exactly, a hall of fame resume, not getting off
Speaker 2: the couch for any old Nichols and dimes. That's that's
Speaker 2: how I would perceive it without talking to him, Without
Speaker 2: talking to him, and he has a legitimate case.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I can see.
Speaker 6: Them trying to offer him less than they gave Clowney
Speaker 6: Like I like that that he now look.
Speaker 3: I don't thine what say you said he had?
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 5: But the only thing I'm gonna say what that is,
Speaker 5: who's more impactful that cornerback or that pass rusher?
Speaker 4: You go overpay for that pass rusher right in that
Speaker 4: cornerback off if you're going bargain hunting and fifty yards, man,
Speaker 4: it's true.
Speaker 2: So I also say, that's that's why you talk about
Speaker 2: Clowney versus Gil. You've seen what Gilly can do and
Speaker 2: you've you've seen it up close and personal. You saw
Speaker 2: the impact he had on Digs, So so what he
Speaker 2: can do and what he's in known quantity, So I
Speaker 2: would I would think put that as a check mark
Speaker 2: for him that Jerry should look at it. Here's something
Speaker 2: else that Jerry said, cool as much as anything, it's
Speaker 2: buying into the scheme. You've got to handle your responsibilities.
Speaker 2: You can't just be out there trying to make a play.
Speaker 2: Make sure your responsibilities are covered first. That's Jerry's talking
Speaker 2: about the whole defensive issues with the team right now.
Speaker 2: So I asked all of you, is this the product
Speaker 2: of three straight defensive coordinators and three straight defensive schemes
Speaker 2: of people trying to.
Speaker 8: Figure out what I believe it could be and when
Speaker 8: what you always say is it talent or technique, and
Speaker 8: a lot of those blown coverages, to.
Speaker 4: Me, it was technique.
Speaker 8: You know, bad eyes, you know you're in a deep third,
Speaker 8: but you're still looking in the backfield, slow black pedal,
Speaker 8: you letting you know, guys go by you.
Speaker 9: You're just not really understanding the scheme. So a lot
Speaker 9: to do with that.
Speaker 8: I don't think it's just these guys are just out
Speaker 8: getting out skelled, like they're just out there getting routed up.
Speaker 8: I don't think it's like that. I think in this
Speaker 8: coverage you just had, you know, your technique is bad
Speaker 8: bad eyes, and these are all things that are coachable.
Speaker 8: So I feel like you got to understand your personnel
Speaker 8: a little bit better as well. With all due respect,
Speaker 8: Dominovan Wilson is not a deep player, like a deep
Speaker 8: half safety, a deep you know, deep coverage type safety.
Speaker 8: He does most of his damage when he's in the box,
Speaker 8: or he's that kind of rap player where he's just
Speaker 8: reading and reacting coming downhill. Laying people out like that
Speaker 8: is his willbox. That's where he's gonna make a lot
Speaker 8: of his money. The deep part of the field I
Speaker 8: think should be primarily where Hooker plays. I mean, he's
Speaker 8: used to that back in Indianapolis when he first came
Speaker 8: as a first round pick, he was a dog back there,
Speaker 8: red line, the red line, all over the place, covering
Speaker 8: people mistakes. So for me, I think they've got to
Speaker 8: get a better understanding and eba Flus has to do
Speaker 8: this of what makes your putting your players in their
Speaker 8: best position to make plays. And having Donovan Wilson back
Speaker 8: there at that deep kind of cover safety is just
Speaker 8: not not where it needs to be a map posite, but.
Speaker 4: They do it.
Speaker 6: To me, it still boils down a lot to this.
Speaker 6: Evira Flues thought he was gonna have Michael Parsons. He
Speaker 6: thought he was going to have the racer in here,
Speaker 6: and and and that right there being said that he
Speaker 6: does not have that no more like and come on,
Speaker 6: they based a lot of that off.
Speaker 7: Of the pressure that he was going to be able
Speaker 7: to produce, you know.
Speaker 6: And so with that being said, you know, like this
Speaker 6: defense is not being run to the capabilities that it
Speaker 6: is supposed to be, like what you guys have been
Speaker 6: talking about, Like I heard you, it's guys gonna be
Speaker 6: going here they're gonna be doing this and that it
Speaker 6: ain't happening.
Speaker 7: It ain't happening.
Speaker 3: You're point taking, But what's your job as a coach?
Speaker 3: Cover up the warts?
Speaker 4: Gotta make it work, you gotta figure out.
Speaker 2: Hey, Chuck Dailey, for a great basketball coach, said, your
Speaker 2: job as a coach is to cover up the where
Speaker 2: are they stick a band aid on it and cover
Speaker 2: it up and keep it covered up as long as
Speaker 2: he can before somebody pulls a band aid off and
Speaker 2: explosives and so whatever Flues thought he was getting and
Speaker 2: White Cotton thought they were getting, it's not there. They
Speaker 2: did have opportunities in camp because he wasn't out there
Speaker 2: a lot so to figure it out. And so let's
Speaker 2: see what it is. And clearly bringing in clowning was well,
Speaker 2: we always gonna have a little bit more.
Speaker 3: We don't. So you're trying to help it, but I don't.
Speaker 5: This is the least me me myself personally. I think
Speaker 5: I don't think it's more so the Mica thing. I
Speaker 5: think it's more so what Barry is saying. And to
Speaker 5: break it down a little bit further, this is if
Speaker 5: you play for Flus, Like I said, this is a
Speaker 5: very simple defense, Like it's not like you're doing too much.
Speaker 5: So with it being simple, you should be able to
Speaker 5: play your technique to the best of its potential. I
Speaker 5: think during the preseason a lot of people were doing that.
Speaker 5: But y'all know as well as I do. When you
Speaker 5: get that opportunity and it's like, hey, you potentially go
Speaker 5: out there and make one good play with a name
Speaker 5: that's not here, there's a lot of unproven stuff. It's
Speaker 5: guys that you got that are playing the role and saying, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do my part. But when I get out here,
Speaker 5: oh I got to make this play, I'm an bite
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 2: So what about last year because we heard some of
Speaker 2: the same stuff with Zimmer, and Zimmer kind of admitted
Speaker 2: it afterwards, like, yeah, I should have done some things
Speaker 2: differently my defense, But like who's buying into the defense
Speaker 2: some times?
Speaker 6: And this is a question we all noticed as players,
Speaker 6: Like some coordinators, are they creative enough to make changes
Speaker 6: like that or are they just stuck in their ways
Speaker 6: and it's their.
Speaker 7: Scheme more so over with the players they have oh right, So.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, And so that's what I'm seeing, you know,
Speaker 6: Like basically, as a coordinator.
Speaker 4: Just like what you said, you got to be able to.
Speaker 7: Work around the talent that you have.
Speaker 6: And if that scheme that you put in ain't gonna
Speaker 6: be able to work for the talent that you have,
Speaker 6: you have to get creative enough to be able to
Speaker 6: go outside the box and still make some changes and
Speaker 6: hopefully get successful with what you're doing.
Speaker 5: And I think, and like I said, I might be
Speaker 5: biased because I played for him, I think Evrafous is
Speaker 5: creative enough to do that. Like he sticks to his
Speaker 5: fundamentals as far as the flour wide system, but he's
Speaker 5: had success here at the Cowboys when he was the
Speaker 5: linebacker coaching he was calling the plays to when he
Speaker 5: left here and had the success with Indy. You had
Speaker 5: the same defensive scheme, but you had completely different players.
Speaker 5: You had a from Michael Parsons over here dominate when
Speaker 5: you came here or when you come back to where
Speaker 5: you got the Forest Buckner over there that's doing his thing.
Speaker 5: You have multiple Like you've had guys like what was
Speaker 5: the Shaq Leonard that was the linebacker over there when
Speaker 5: he was here?
Speaker 4: He had Uh there you go.
Speaker 5: You got Sean you got Sean Lee, you got you
Speaker 5: got guys like Kenny Moore, who playing style is completely
Speaker 5: different from Trayvon Dick, so I would say that he's
Speaker 5: had success in all those It's just about, like you said,
Speaker 5: are the players really going to buy into it? And
Speaker 5: then eventually a lot of this is on this on
Speaker 5: the players, like nobody told like Donovan, if you know
Speaker 5: that coach is putting you in a bad situation, I
Speaker 5: think that's where the veteranship and this is why I
Speaker 5: would think Gilly would be a good factor is don't
Speaker 5: put yourself in in the bad situation. You know you're
Speaker 5: not fast enough to come down here, give yourself an
Speaker 5: extra little little cushion there, Elam, you should not be
Speaker 5: over here trying to press somebody and you only a
Speaker 5: buck talling not even six flip in cleats like and
Speaker 5: trying to go do somebody like this like you made
Speaker 5: up Barry, y'all. And like I said, I'm a defensive lineman,
Speaker 5: so we see stuff like straight and narrow, y'all tell
Speaker 5: me as a dB because y'all got to pay for it.
Speaker 5: Y'all gotta pay attention not only to the quarterback the receiver,
Speaker 5: and y'all are more reaction based, so you have to
Speaker 5: prepare better as far as being the reactor versus the
Speaker 5: react the reaction, if that makes sense.
Speaker 8: And that's why to me, film study was such a
Speaker 8: big thing in my book because I was never you know,
Speaker 8: the fastest, quickest, didn't have you know, the hips and
Speaker 8: all that. But if I knew what the offense was
Speaker 8: going to do pre snap based on the formations, whether
Speaker 8: it's two by two, three point.
Speaker 4: One, it allowed me to play from.
Speaker 8: A four to six to a four to four on
Speaker 8: there because I knew what was coming and ahead of time.
Speaker 8: And when it comes down to putting your players in
Speaker 8: the right position, it's it's a real delicate process, especially
Speaker 8: at the safety spot because you know there's guys that
Speaker 8: they don't want to be in the middle of the
Speaker 8: field all day every day.
Speaker 9: Like I'm sure Hooker's like, man, let me get some
Speaker 9: action down there.
Speaker 8: But you know what made Seattle so great and they're
Speaker 8: too ten back there because her was like, I'm a
Speaker 8: middle of the feel safety, I'm gonna make plays being
Speaker 8: in the middle of the field. Cam Chansen was like,
Speaker 8: I'm this box boomer, but I've been in teams where
Speaker 8: it's like bro, I've been in the back all day,
Speaker 8: Switch me up, let me get some burn down there.
Speaker 4: And then that's when things happen. Man.
Speaker 6: So I w Rod Woodson came to the Raiders man
Speaker 6: and shout out to Rod when my player, Yeah, got
Speaker 6: all time favorite players, one of my football heroes.
Speaker 7: But like, we were in a place where we were
Speaker 7: able to just rock and.
Speaker 4: Roll with it.
Speaker 6: And that's why who that's what rock and roll is.
Speaker 6: That's like whatever the defense calls for. If I'm already
Speaker 6: on the right and he's already on the left, whatever
Speaker 6: it calls for it, if I got to go down
Speaker 6: or he gotta go down, we were just rock and roll.
Speaker 4: We just switched each other's position. This guys.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's good to be able to have safeties
Speaker 6: back there and players like that who can manipulate that.
Speaker 5: But they got a wait that your your decade or
Speaker 5: not your decade, but you're when you play. I felt
Speaker 5: like people were inter changeable versus where when I first
Speaker 5: came into the league and them, I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna play both sides because I got von Miller
Speaker 5: sean Porter when I got to the league and I told.
Speaker 4: Him, yeah, I can play this side.
Speaker 5: It was new to me, because which side do you
Speaker 5: want to play when you earn that right to be
Speaker 5: on that side? Like you said, it's some guys that
Speaker 5: will say, I'm never moving out to spot er.
Speaker 4: This is me right here. Let me get some burn.
Speaker 5: And that's where I think we do ourselves as athletes coaches.
Speaker 5: As a disservice is not making a defensive and I'll
Speaker 5: break it down even further for a defensive line.
Speaker 2: So Jerry Jones says he wants to pay the kicker
Speaker 2: when the owner says he wants to pay you as
Speaker 2: a player, how much of that do you believe, especially
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Speaker 3: All right, Tyler Smith got paid over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Give him a bag right now, so Tyler spid ninety
Speaker 2: six million dollar contract extention, so.
Speaker 3: So good for him.
Speaker 2: Hide the okay in the fold and uh, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: young man, they drafted.
Speaker 3: Uh this is where you should put your money.
Speaker 4: Into people when you draft.
Speaker 2: And now that they're not paying Michael Parson, somebody's got
Speaker 2: to get a bag. And so Tyler Smith got a bag,
Speaker 2: bron Bland got a bag whose name Aubrey is apparently
Speaker 2: up neck got to me, he got it.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Jerry, get it over special.
Speaker 2: Jerry told one to five three the Fans radio show today,
Speaker 2: he's certainly coming.
Speaker 3: We'll be looking at that.
Speaker 2: Probably had communications since the kick and uh, he says,
Speaker 2: but it certainly in the future.
Speaker 3: So Jerry wants to pay him.
Speaker 2: But now, if you're a player considering, Jerry did say
Speaker 2: he wanted to pay Michael Parsons. Mike Parson get his money,
Speaker 2: and Brandon Aubrey is not settling for anything less than
Speaker 2: the top market as the kicker.
Speaker 3: If the Tyler Smith.
Speaker 2: Gonna get it as a guard and that go get
Speaker 2: as a quarterback, I mean I shouldn't say I should
Speaker 2: as soon there will be no discounts.
Speaker 8: Can't be no discounts on this this is the best
Speaker 8: kicker in the national football and head and he said,
Speaker 8: and we were interviewing him, he said, look, I'm built
Speaker 8: for this moment. And I was like, man, you know what,
Speaker 8: You're right about that man, because he went out there
Speaker 8: sixty four yards. I don't care if it's a dome
Speaker 8: or not, game on the line nine the screen.
Speaker 4: He just rocked it in there winner.
Speaker 8: And he's been doing this consistently for the past what
Speaker 8: at least two three years. So to me, we always
Speaker 8: talk about I know, you always say, you know, Jerry
Speaker 8: never lets one of his guys go.
Speaker 4: Michael Parcels was the first.
Speaker 8: But to me, this is this is an offensive weapon
Speaker 8: and you you can't let a bona five three points.
Speaker 8: You don't even have to get the midfield, you just
Speaker 8: got to get to the forty five on your side
Speaker 8: in order to be in his range. You can't let
Speaker 8: that that type of automatic points go.
Speaker 4: And I believe they'll get the job done. Well.
Speaker 8: His contract be as high as you know Parsons or
Speaker 8: or Tyler Smith.
Speaker 4: It won't kick. It's not gonna be that hot. He's
Speaker 4: going to have a record, got to get it in.
Speaker 5: He be real, he's going to have a record breaking
Speaker 5: contract and the market, he's gonna set the market. It's
Speaker 5: always somebody that got to do it. On top of that,
Speaker 5: you got an owner that actually, like you, publicly have
Speaker 5: said it with no disput that's been going on, and
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to go back to one of the
Speaker 5: major facts that we've been hearing a suit all season
Speaker 5: from Newie, Jerry don't let his guys go. And with
Speaker 5: that being said, he let one go. That's a defensive player.
Speaker 5: We all know that defensive players are the step childs
Speaker 5: of the league. You can let them go, but what
Speaker 5: what offensive First of all, a guy that is the best,
Speaker 5: not arguably the best, but the known best in his position.
Speaker 5: And then like you said, he's a kicker, but he's
Speaker 5: an offensive weapon. What offensive weapon? Knew he You've been
Speaker 5: covering the Cowboys for over twenty plus year. What offensive
Speaker 5: weapon has he let Jerry has let go that's been
Speaker 5: in his prime. That was the only way, yeah, product,
Speaker 5: that was the only one. But what about that? But
Speaker 5: there was also, if I'm not mistaken, one of their
Speaker 5: stuff about off the field stuff.
Speaker 9: You let him go, which was it was the right decision.
Speaker 9: I mean, he was running back it's kind.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, DeMarco had a great season. Yeah, I never
Speaker 2: thought he was a great running back.
Speaker 5: But this is a great kicker. We're talking about, like
Speaker 5: like your offensive lineman. They're going to play at least
Speaker 5: fifteen to twenty years of we got this, Like, I
Speaker 5: can't help but think of Genakowski, like him doing his
Speaker 5: stay for as long a's like, you're going to be here,
Speaker 5: why not keep him in his prime?
Speaker 4: So I don't personally see him letting them, okay, but
Speaker 4: we can do. So.
Speaker 6: I think he's I don't think he's going anywhere, and
Speaker 6: I think he's only going to get better with time.
Speaker 7: You know, like.
Speaker 6: We're used to kickers who have been kicking since footballs
Speaker 6: since elementary high school, pop warn or whatever. It is,
Speaker 6: like this dude only been kicking footballs for like how
Speaker 6: many years now.
Speaker 9: He's because he was you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, so, I only think that he's going to
Speaker 6: continue to get better. And then, just like you said,
Speaker 6: to be able to have a weapon that you don't
Speaker 6: have to cross the fifty yard line to actually get
Speaker 6: points on the board.
Speaker 4: You need a touch. You can get a touch, man,
Speaker 4: you already after twenty five, like you know, two first down.
Speaker 6: So that being said, like I believe said he's gonna
Speaker 6: set the market, and he's gonna he's gonna set that market.
Speaker 6: But I don't think there's another kicker that's going to
Speaker 6: even come close to it right now after he sets
Speaker 6: that market.
Speaker 2: So the market was set by Harrison Bucker of Kansas City.
Speaker 4: He just missed one other day, four years.
Speaker 2: Twenty five million dollars twenty five point six million, and
Speaker 2: UH produce Chrispy says it was seventeen point seven million
Speaker 2: of that guaranteed.
Speaker 3: So there's there's the bar.
Speaker 5: So it goes twenty six eighteen years, Jaricho give him
Speaker 5: this quick here, matter of fact, I mean twenty six
Speaker 5: cents a plus?
Speaker 3: I mean, why why not? I mean, this is this
Speaker 3: is fair.
Speaker 2: It's more than this is if he If Jerry goes
Speaker 2: in there and says four years, twenty six million, eighteen guaranteed,
Speaker 2: that's that that right there, if you Bucker sell it,
Speaker 2: and this is you guys played, So you guys would
Speaker 2: have this better understanding than me.
Speaker 3: Bucker's from here. There's no state taxes.
Speaker 4: Here, yeah, he gets none.
Speaker 2: To me, that seems like I wouldn't want, you know, right,
Speaker 2: that's what I would assume.
Speaker 5: Then you also got an owner that loves to be flashy,
Speaker 5: that loves to be the guy that Hey, I pride
Speaker 5: myself on doing this, so like to even it up
Speaker 5: a little bit with the kickers. And you got the
Speaker 5: best one here, let me go ahead flex and pay
Speaker 5: him like that. It's pennies on the dollar, so I
Speaker 5: mean compared to what you could have been. You got
Speaker 5: all this extra money with Michael gone. Now you see
Speaker 5: everybody else getting the bag. Why not lock up all
Speaker 5: my toys so I can go get my new toy.
Speaker 2: This isn't once again, this is paying the best player.
Speaker 2: I don't and this is my opinion. I don't think
Speaker 2: you can argue it. Tell me that somebody's a better
Speaker 2: kicker right now. Randon Aubrey in the game in the
Speaker 2: past two years, Like this is pretty I thought on
Speaker 2: the broadcast had a great thing when they said Dave
Speaker 2: Boll said, if they get, if the Cowboys get, if
Speaker 2: they get past the fifties, you're in range for you
Speaker 2: got chip shot his rangers passed. Once you half to fifty,
Speaker 2: you're in his range. And what an awesome weapon for Shati.
Speaker 2: If you're a play caller you've got a fan. Hey,
Speaker 2: we don't have to do much. I go back to
Speaker 2: the Philadelphia game. If Sanders doesn't funnel, they just get
Speaker 2: three right there at.
Speaker 4: The end of the gay three minutes to go.
Speaker 2: It's a whole different way. You're calling the plays and
Speaker 2: getting down the fields. It's a whole different thing. So
Speaker 2: the ability to sign the weapon and all three of
Speaker 2: you got in this league by playing special teams. When
Speaker 2: you made your major bones, you're winning the special teams game.
Speaker 5: And that whoever the special team coordinated, like anywhere around
Speaker 5: the league, they're gonna be sitting there standing on the table.
Speaker 5: You don't think the coach is like, Jerry, please don't
Speaker 5: let this one go.
Speaker 4: Please don't let.
Speaker 5: Me out as a special team coordinator. I'm trying to
Speaker 5: make sure he gets paid because my job is secured.
Speaker 5: If that man is on the ross by.
Speaker 3: The way, still Turpin, you know had to leave the game.
Speaker 4: They haven't anywhere. I was just about to say, serignificant.
Speaker 3: You know, there's still kind of day to day came.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that that's another thing going in Chicago is
Speaker 2: he affects so much of your roster. If you don't
Speaker 2: have a Cavante Turpin from what he does in the
Speaker 2: return game and how they were using him as an
Speaker 2: offensive weapons and maybe maybe maybe Jay and Blue.
Speaker 4: Done that.
Speaker 5: At like, hey man, hate to see her still going.
Speaker 5: Well you're going there to day before the game and
Speaker 5: you hit them and be like, hey man, I know
Speaker 5: it's been a strong week.
Speaker 4: You think he's gonna make it back.
Speaker 2: Okay, you guys, so if you if you get the news, Turp,
Speaker 2: you know, dudes out here kicking feeling punts extra out there.
Speaker 5: What you're gonna have guys that ain't even return to
Speaker 5: kick but they returned to their sophomore year in college. Hey, coach,
Speaker 5: I can do this right, do it, coach, Hey coach,
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to help the team. Whatever you need
Speaker 5: more value.
Speaker 6: Like hey, my first my first touchdown in the league
Speaker 6: was the kickoff return, and I never got to do
Speaker 6: it in college, and I never got to do it
Speaker 6: no more after that. But nothing is like I got
Speaker 6: put the guy there, took it back nine nine yards.
Speaker 4: Hey man. We got mail grade for that.
Speaker 6: And then I had got slick anyway before because I
Speaker 6: knew I could do it. My first touchdown playing Pop
Speaker 6: Warner was a seventy five yard kickoff. Ever, so I'm
Speaker 6: already knowing I could do kickoff return, So of course
Speaker 6: I put that incentive in my contract with like if
Speaker 6: I take back two kickoffs and do this and do that.
Speaker 4: Y'all you ain't getting that, you got one. Go ahead,
Speaker 4: Chill brother, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: That's good stuff.
Speaker 2: It's different, bro, that's good stuff, all right, man, fun
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Speaker 3: Cowboys are off today.
Speaker 2: They'll they'll get ready tomorrow with their Wednesday practice tickt.
Speaker 2: The Chicago Bears, who are oh in to this game,
Speaker 2: will be in the Windy City. Matt Ebraflus, the defensive coordinator,
Speaker 2: will be returning, returning home.
Speaker 3: To uh to where he once played.
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