1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Today's episode of What Future with Joshua to Pulski is 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: a re release of our first ever episode, an interview 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: with Jason Blum of Blumhouse Productions. It's a really interesting listen. 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: We will be back next week with an all new episode. 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Hello, my name is Joshua to Pulsky, 6 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: and you somehow have tuned into What Future, my new 7 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: podcast about interesting people in an interesting time on an 8 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: interesting planet. This is our first show. We have not 9 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: shared it a full episode with any other human beings 10 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: yet anyhow, you know, it's all come together very rapidly, 11 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: but also we took forever, which is weird, but sometimes 12 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: that happens in life. And I'm just very pleased to 13 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: get started and talk to people and hopefully, you know, 14 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: crack open your brain and and then pull the brain 15 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: out of the skull. Actually, I'd be cracky open your 16 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: skull and then I'd be pulling the brain I mean metaphorically, 17 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: not actually, and then putting your brain back into your skull. 18 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: So that's what probably what the show is gonna be 19 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: like for most listeners, I would imagine. So the first 20 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: show is October. That's today, that's right now. If you're 21 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: listening to it on the day that the show came out, 22 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: and I know that you are all of you. And 23 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: it's very close to Halloween, which is my favorite holiday, 24 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: and just generally speaking, October as a kick ass time 25 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: of the year because it's spooky and it's fall and 26 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: there's pumpkins, and the weather is turning but it's not 27 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 1: too cold yet, and a lot of good horror movies 28 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: come out, and so of course around Halloween you started 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: thinking about horror movies and scary stuff and ghost stories, 30 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: and I have a deep love and a deep passion 31 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: for you know, the genre is called horror, but I 32 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: think my relationship with that genre is sort of there's 33 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: a very specific kind of horror I like. And I 34 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: think when I imagine the perfect sort of film, the 35 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: one that is most sort of sweet to me in 36 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: the month of October, I think of this movie by 37 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: John Carpenter called In the Mouth of Madness. I've never 38 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: seen it, and I've loved John Carpenter. I've never even 39 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: heard of it. Oh my god, that's insane. You have 40 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: to see it immediately. By the way, if you're wondering 41 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 1: who this voice is, that's my producer Lyrah Smith, who 42 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: will be making appearances. She'll largely be telling me about 43 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: what movies she hasn't seen. That's just now. In the 44 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: Mouth of Madness is the third in his Apocalypse trilogy. 45 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: The first one is The Thing, the second one is 46 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: Prince of Darkness. Which is which was? I mean, it 47 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: probably competes for being my favorite John Carpenter movie. It's 48 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: that or In the Mouth of Madness. I kind of 49 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: don't know which one it is. And I first saw 50 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: In the Mouth of Madness. I don't think it was 51 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: the first John Carpenter movie I saw, but I maybe 52 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: wasn't so aware of his entire output. I probably had 53 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: seen They Live in a few others. But but one 54 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: night I was at my parents house. I was not 55 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: living there at the time, but it was late at night. 56 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: I don't really know why I was there. Maybe I 57 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: had gone there to eat some of their food. This 58 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: is not an important part of the story, but it 59 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: is a part of the story. Any I was sitting 60 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: on the stuff, I was slipping through channels, and I 61 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: had found this film and I was probably, like, I 62 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: don't know how far into it, but I had walked 63 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: into this movie that I had not seen before, and 64 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: it was these two guys that are din or talking 65 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: and there's this man walking across the street with an 66 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: axe in his hand, and it's a New York City 67 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: street scene, and everybody's like screaming and running away from him, 68 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: and he just walking towards and eventually like smashes the 69 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: acts through the through the window. It's as unbelievable sequence, 70 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: But I was like, what is this? What is about? 71 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: And and the film in the Mouth of Madness is 72 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: a very special kind of horror movie. And like most 73 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: of the ones that I like, it is not that 74 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: it is super gory, though there are gory moments, and 75 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: it's not that like you see people getting repeatedly stabbed 76 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: or getting their arms chopped off or whatever. There is 77 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: like horrific sort of violence in it. But the thing 78 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: that makes it upsetting, and that makes it even on 79 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: repeat viewings, a horrific film, is that it plays with 80 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: the idea of reality. It plays with what we think 81 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: of as our reality versus what it actually might be, 82 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: and that our perceptions of this reality, I feel like 83 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: sometimes they're just on a razor's edge. And I think 84 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: the films that I love the most and John Carpenter 85 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: has done a whole handful of movies like this which 86 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: are interested in this idea of like what is reality, 87 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: But they're also interested in a genre which is called 88 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: cosmic horror, which is the things that are happening are 89 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: not that they aren't real or they aren't you know, 90 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: something tangible, but they're something beyond our understanding, from a 91 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: place that we don't understand and can't really communicate with. 92 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: So when I think about the best horror, the stuff 93 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: that I love, and I would say David Lynch movies 94 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: fall into this category, you know, something like Lost Highway 95 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: or Mulholland Drive. There's a lot of sort of this 96 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: undercurrent of something isn't right with reality, like something is 97 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: broken here and and you kind of feel like you're 98 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: never on solid ground with where it's going and what 99 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: might happen next. And that got me thinking, as we 100 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: are entering Halloween and Halloween season, about the horror of 101 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: actual reality that we're currently living in, Like the fact 102 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: that every day it feels like something truly cataclysmic or 103 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: at the very least extremely disturbing is happening, right if 104 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: it's not, you know, World War three or school shootings 105 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: or you know, Trump winning in four. It's some form of, 106 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, sort of huge distress that we're all experiencing. 107 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: And I think that it's hard sometimes to navigate that 108 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: stuff in your daily life and then go and enjoy 109 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: something that is supposed to scare you. Right, It's kind 110 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: of harder to be scared now because we have so 111 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: much that's terrifying in reality. And I'm really excited that 112 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: this is our first episode because I get to talk 113 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: about horror movies, which again I do love, but also 114 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: a lot of what we want to do on this show, 115 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of what I want to talk about 116 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: on the show is the places where sort of reality 117 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: and fiction meet, the places where art and the Internet intersect, 118 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: sort of the way that we experience things and trying 119 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: to understand what those things are and sort of make 120 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: sense of them or maybe learn something about them. And 121 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: so I think it's fertile ground in terms of what 122 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: is horror and how does it work? But because we 123 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: live in such a precarious moment, I think the concept 124 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: of horror is changing, and talking about what that looks 125 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: like and how it feels is pretty important. And so 126 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: in thinking about this, I started to think about new 127 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: films that have been released that are really speaking about 128 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: or talking to what is happening in reality, and landed 129 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: on this, you know, realization that Blumhouse, which is like 130 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: now like the kind of the place where you find 131 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: the new horror movies or the new franchises, is doing 132 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: something that is really interesting in that they are making 133 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: movies that are kind of sometimes very much about the 134 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: reality that we live in, but also weirdly fun, which 135 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: is hard for me to sort of compute how you 136 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: navigate the idea of being scared in a fun way 137 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: against or versus being scared in a real way, which 138 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: is something that we are all, I think every day feeling. 139 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: And so I thought, okay, well, let me go to 140 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: the source. Let me talk to Jason Blum, the guy 141 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: who started the company and who is literally personally responsible 142 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: for some of the most horrific and also interesting films 143 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: of the past like ten years or more. So we 144 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: have Jason Blum, the founder of blum House, a master 145 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: of horror, and he's here with us right now. Jason, 146 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: thank you for being here. I know you're a very 147 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: busy man. How much sleep did you get last night? 148 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: I am very careful about my sleep. I really, I 149 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: really get let's see, at twelve to seven, I got 150 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: seven and a half hours. I really try and keep 151 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: it over seven. That's a healthy amount. I rarely get 152 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: less than seven, and when I do, I promised myself 153 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: never to do that again. I Uh, I got a 154 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: lot less because I actually was up to like two 155 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: thirty in the morning watching some blum House content. I was. 156 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: I was watching The Forever Purge. That's a and one. 157 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: But I'm going to come back to the Forever Perch. 158 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say it's going to be a topic. 159 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: So blum House has not only done horror, but I 160 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: think you're sort of synonymous with being the place for 161 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: modern horror. But would you describe blum House like that? 162 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: I would describe them as as the place for modern 163 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: horror or horror movies. We do the occasional with Blash, 164 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: Black Plansman, handful of others. TV a little bit differently. 165 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: TV is more like is straight horror, and I would 166 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: call horror adjacent or about horrible things. Okay, give me 167 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: what's horror adjacent. We made a mini series about Roger 168 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: Ailes called The Loudest Voice in the room. To me, 169 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: he's a horrible thing that's horror adjacent. Maybe just horror, Yeah, 170 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: maybe just horror. We made a mini series recently for 171 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: Showtime called The Good Lord Bird, which is about John Brown, 172 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: which was about the worst thing that the United States 173 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: probably ever did, which was obviously slavery. So I feel 174 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: like what you said is true, and we really try 175 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: and stick with project. It's that if they're not horror, 176 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: they're tangentially related to horror. Right now, we haven't done 177 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: that a hundred percent of the time, but but pretty close. 178 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: So take me back to how you ended up in 179 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: this particular space, and my guess is I'd be surprised 180 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: to hear that you don't have some love of the genre. 181 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: But can you talk to me about like what the 182 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: moment was or what the film was that made you 183 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: think this is a thing that I want to do. Yeah, 184 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: I've grown to love the genre, but that's not really 185 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: why I got into horror. I got into horror because 186 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: I was caught between a love of making independent films 187 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: and a strong dislike for the distribution of independent films 188 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: which is very broken, and a love of studio distribution 189 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: because everyone gets to see what you made, and a 190 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: dislike for the process of studio production. My goal in 191 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: life was to make a studio film, and I finally 192 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: made this movie, The Tooth Fairy for Fox before Blumhouse existed, 193 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: and uh, and making a studio film was the opposite 194 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: of what I thought it was gonna be. It was 195 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: very frustrating. Distribution was great. Paranormal Activity came out about 196 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: the same time as The Tooth Ray came out, and 197 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: what Paranormal Activity did, it was kind of coalesce almost 198 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: twenty years of trying to find my place into the 199 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: business in one weekend, which was Wow. There's a way 200 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: to make independent movies that can be subversive. They can 201 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: be about difficult things. They don't have to have movie 202 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: stars in them. You can have a lead character die 203 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: in the first act. All these kind of creative risks 204 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: that you could only take with independent movies, which is 205 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: why I liked independent movies. Storytelling you could do with 206 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: horror movies, but with horror movies you get a studio 207 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: to release them. And so really I came to horror 208 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: through business and the notion that I could continue my 209 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: love of independent movies. But if you look at our 210 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: originals and you take out the scares. There really a 211 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: series of like indie sundance movies. You look at Sinister, 212 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: it's about a frustrated writer who's trying to have another 213 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: hit book, who moves his family into a house that's 214 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: very dangerous, and he chooses his career over his family, 215 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: which is really kind of the storyline of an independent movie. 216 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: And and most of the movies that we've done, the 217 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: original horror movies that we've done, are really independent movies. 218 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: Dressed up is scary movies. I think it's true that 219 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: the plotlines are often, you know, in some way almost 220 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: art films, but don't say are indie I mean, God 221 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: forbid hard Okay, sorry, I take that back. I wouldn't 222 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: would never describe one of your films as art. That's yeah, 223 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: that's as bad as saying elevated horror. Wow, do you 224 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: take issue with the elevated horror designation? Elevated horror is 225 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: code word for people saying like, I'm better than people 226 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: who like horror movies, like I don't really like horror, 227 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: but elevated horror is something I would stoop so low 228 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: as to watch, and sometimes even directors say it, which 229 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: is even worse, like I wouldn't make a horror movie, 230 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: but elevated horror I would make, which is literally like 231 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: a director saying I wouldn't make like a bad movie, 232 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: but I would make a good movie. Right, Well, isn't 233 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: genre kind of ghetto eyes in a way? Like I 234 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: mean this is true in literature as well, right, Like 235 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: science fiction and fantasy is considered not real literature. Right, 236 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: then there's a certain bar like Kurt Vonnegut, who wrote 237 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: a lot of science fiction, is considered a real author. 238 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,599 Speaker 1: And then the guys who were Paul for Philip K. 239 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: Dick and his Heyday would have been considered like this 240 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: kind of genre like Paul kind of crappy writer. But 241 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: the quality of the work, the variance is non existent. 242 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: It's just as hard to direct or create a great 243 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: horror movie as it is to create a great art movie. 244 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: But yes, it is kind of ghetto eyes, And that's 245 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: another reason why I really liked it, right, right, I 246 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: mean when you were a kid, you weren't like you 247 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: watch Halloween and suddenly you were struck that you must 248 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: create horror films. This is not like a lifelong passion 249 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: for you. Everything in my personality and nature is someone 250 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: who likes horror movies. I didn't dislike them, but I 251 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: wasn't like a crazy horror movie fan at all. And 252 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: I should have been, because like, I'm kind of weird 253 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: and I'm an outsider and all that sort of stuff. 254 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: So I should have appreciated them much more than I did. 255 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: But luckily or in Pelly saved my life and made 256 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: paranormal activity. I mean, that's wild to me. I thought 257 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: for sure you were going to tell me that you've 258 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: grew up on you know, Wes Craven and John Carpenter 259 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: or something, which is which I did. So it's interesting 260 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: that you just were like, this is actually a great 261 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: vehicle for filmmaking because of and maybe explain this to me, 262 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: because I'm not in the industry. Tell me what was 263 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: better about being able to do some of the paranormal activity. 264 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: The idea that you pay fifteen dollars for like this 265 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: little indie art movie at the one last art cinema 266 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: in New York, right, or fifteen dollars at the multiplex 267 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: with this other movie. It's so strange, Like the art movie. 268 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: They spent two hundred thousand dollars marketing this little movie. 269 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: And the Studio Movies spent fifty million dollars marketing the movie, 270 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: and the budgets also the budgets of the one movie 271 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: or three dollars and the other movies two million dollars. 272 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: It's still a ticket or whatever. I just was always 273 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: so frustrated that you'd work so hard on this, this movie, 274 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: and it's just very hard to get distribution. And once 275 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: you get distribution, because they're competing for screens with these bohemoth, 276 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: huge American corporations, it's just very hard. So your movie 277 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: doesn't play for very long, and if it does, it's 278 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: a miracle, and you're begging everyone for favors. You beg 279 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: people to go see it. Versus this machine that puts 280 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: like three thousand versions of your movies out on Friday Night. 281 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: Just way more appealing to me. But so, is there 282 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: a shortcut with horror? Is it that it plays two 283 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: larger audiences even though you can Yeah, there's there's a 284 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: huge shortcut with horror, which is it's like this trojan horse, 285 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: like you can sneak these crazy stories into this totally 286 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: mainstream system. You can sneak get out, you know. Or 287 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: the per which is the purchase of movie about gun 288 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: control in America. Now, if you pitched a studio said hey, 289 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a movie about gun control, they would 290 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: show you out of the office before you got They 291 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: don't want to make a movie about gun control. It's 292 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: a nightmare for them. It's political. No matter your pro 293 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: work on half the audience is going to disagree with you. 294 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: We know, don't want to make political movies. It's a 295 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: nightmare for them. But if you say you're gonna make 296 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: a movie about if crime is legal from seven in 297 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: the morning until seven at night, well, it's a great concept. Cool. 298 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: What is it like. It's a genre movie, so you 299 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: can use horror to get kind of unusual ideas to 300 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: a very broad audience, which is which is so fun. 301 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: That's a fascinating point. I've never heard anybody articulate that. 302 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: I did not understand that. I don't think most people 303 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: are aware of that. I mean, obviously, horror films are 304 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: different than a big budget action movie or at a 305 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: drama or whatever, because horror is deranged. I mean, most 306 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: horror films have ida extremely bizarre, right, Yes, even from 307 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: the most simple of Michael my is is going to 308 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: just walk and stab until you know, if somebody sets 309 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: him on fire or the very complex stuff like the 310 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: Purge is actually a very complex idea. I mean in 311 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: terms of the the entire thing you need to understand. 312 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm feeling fresh from my viewing of The Forever Purge, 313 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: but but yeah, but I didn't understand. I guess like 314 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: when you were first talking about this, what you meant. 315 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: But it is like in like Mario Brothers, you're like 316 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: taking the warp pipe to another level because it's like 317 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: they will let things fly that would not fly otherwise, 318 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: and there's a huge audience for it. Yeah, there's this 319 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: great feeling of beating the system and uh, you look 320 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: at you look at I be the same way like 321 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: The Invisible Man, even that movie that's a very you know, 322 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: forward thinking movie about male power and abuse. The same idea. 323 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: Like if you said you wanted to do a wide 324 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: released movie about those things, sure you want to make 325 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: a Sundance movie about about those topics. That's what Sundances, 326 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: for the thing is, it's extraordinarily difficult to do. Of 327 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: the a hundred movies that we've made, not all of 328 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: them are like directly about a social issue or whatever. 329 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: A lot of them are just like straight scary movies, 330 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: which I also like, but it's very hard to to 331 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: do both. But it certainly is like very exciting when 332 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: we get a movie that connects with people that that 333 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: is scary and also touches on an issue that's like 334 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: the magical triangle for us. Then let me actually bring 335 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: it back to it. I started talking about because I've 336 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: been thinking a lot about this, and and actually I 337 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: wasn't intending to watch The Forever Purge as a component 338 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: of this conversation, but then I ended up realizing it's 339 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: almost the perfect movie to have watched discussed it because 340 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 1: so many of the Blumhouse films do touch on pretty 341 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: serious political and societal issues. If you don't know what 342 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: The Purge is, by the way, and I don't know 343 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: how you wouldn't, because it's been a very popular series. 344 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: It's a mad Jans in America where one night out 345 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: of the year, all crime is legal, and to get 346 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: all this bad stuff out of our systems that we 347 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: do all year round. They're like, if we just condense 348 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: it into one day and make every crime legal, everybody 349 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: will be fine, and then the next day we'll just 350 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: go back to normal and that's largely what the films 351 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: are about. And there's five of the Purge movies and 352 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: a TV series anyway, the most recent one is mean 353 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: unabashedly about like white supremacy, I mean, just not even 354 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 1: hiding it is right. It's got actual Nazis in it, 355 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: and and it depicts in America, which I think, you know, 356 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: it feels frightening lee possible at this particular momentum. There's 357 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: a character who's listening to gunfire and he says, that's 358 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: American music, the different guns, and I think it's you know, 359 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: it's pretty fucking spot on, right, like for the climate. 360 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: But we live in a world that is terrifying in 361 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: a million different ways, I think right now, Like we're 362 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, on the precipice of maybe a world war. 363 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: You know, we've got like crazy economy stuff happening. There's 364 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: still you know, MAGA and Trump stuff, and you know, 365 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: real neo Nazism in this country. How do you approach 366 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: where to draw the line? Like, for instance, we have 367 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: school shootings in America right where kids get killed on 368 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: a pretty regular basis. Now it's terrifying and horrible and 369 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: like about the worst thing you can think of a 370 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: movie about that wouldn't be fun, right, I mean, I 371 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: think we can we can agree that wouldn't be like 372 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: a fun Blumhouse production, and you probably wouldn't go there. 373 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: But how do you know when to draw the line? 374 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: How do you make those decisions about what political topics 375 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: you can go there with them? Well, there's a lot 376 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: of things to unpack your question. The first thing is 377 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: that horror has to be scary. If you just depict violence, 378 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: or you just depict something gross, it's not scary, right, 379 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: So you have to make that distinction. And then the 380 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: second thing you're asking is people have different points of 381 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: view about this. It is my point of view that 382 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: the more you show and depict, the more people are 383 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: talking about these things, and the more conversation there is 384 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: about bad things in the world, the more chance there 385 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: is to fix those bad things. Right. You know, some 386 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: people have a different point of view about that, which 387 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: which is okay, we don't have a meter for how 388 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: far we'll take something. The perch Wise are a good example. 389 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: The Perch as a franchise. All five movies are and 390 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: the TV show to the underlying topic of all of 391 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: them is gun control. Each one has a different kind 392 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: of specific thing that they tackle. I don't know if 393 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: you saw the one. There's one with a female presidential 394 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: candidate before Hillary ran, which was incredible. So each one 395 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: had its own mini category under beneath the category of 396 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: the insane relationship that the United States has two guns, 397 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: which is the purveying theory behind all of them. The 398 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: lens that we look at. Just to answer this second 399 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: part of your with what I was saying in the 400 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: first is is it scary or an expose. If it's 401 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: an expose, we're not doing it. And if we did 402 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: any expose, it was a mistake. It's got to be scary. 403 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: It's got to be scary. It's got to engage the audience. 404 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: No one wants to go see an expose or they 405 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: turn on a documentary. If they want to see an 406 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: They're not going to the movie theater on Friday night 407 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: to see an expose. They're going to get scared. And 408 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: so that's really the lens that we look at it. 409 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: You could make a movie about white supremacy if it's scary, 410 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: which I would argue, you know, the last purge was 411 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: I think it's scary because it's about things that feel real. Yeah, 412 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: well that's also true. I will say gun control. I 413 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: don't know that I took away a message like pro 414 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: gun control. I was like, everybody needs a gun in 415 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: the world of the Purge. Did you see the first movie? Yeah, 416 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: a while ago, because the first perche it's very pointedly 417 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: about gun control. I had this, Well, it doesn't matter. 418 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: I had a disagreement about with a critic once about 419 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: all this. But what was the What was the disagreement, Well, 420 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: she said, I thought, I don't think the message is 421 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: very clear in the first movie that it's anti gun. 422 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: Any rational person watching the movies, they don't think the 423 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: purchase is a good idea. Actually, is that true? Though? 424 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, of course, there's like, you know, 425 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: some you know, three percent of the nutball population that 426 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: thinks the purchase is a good idea. The Purchase supposed 427 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: to be a cautionary tale of if we keep solving 428 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: violence in America and school shootings in America, and if 429 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: our answer keeps being give everyone more guns and make 430 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: them more powerful, we're gonna wind up with the Purge, 431 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: which is a world no one would want to live in, 432 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: but clearly some lunatics would want to live in it. 433 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you funny thing about the Purge. The Purge 434 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: in France is called America's Nightmare that they translate instead 435 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: of calling it. There's no translation for the Purge, so 436 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: the title is like America's Nightmare, um and the Funnily enough, 437 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: in Europe and in countries where gun control is more rational, 438 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: the movies are very well understood as a cautionary tale. 439 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: In America, some of us are bananas, so we think 440 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: we might think it's a good idea, which is so crazy. 441 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: I mean it could be because we've built almost the 442 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: entire movie industry on like fetishizing guns. And I mean 443 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: some of the most famous films of all time are 444 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, guns are very necessary for the main characters 445 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: to get their way or to get to the point. 446 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: That is very true. It's possible that it doesn't look 447 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: that way because we actually have a gun problem right 448 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: in the country. Yeah. How important is it that these 449 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: things also have a message that they're also trying to 450 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: kind of sneak in something political or societal to say, 451 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: I think it's more interesting if they're about something. And 452 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to pretend to say every movie we've 453 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: we've made is about something. Some of them aren't. Some 454 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: of them are just straight scary and straight commercial. And 455 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: there's a thrill to making a hit scary movie, absolutely 456 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: because it's it's so hard to make a hit movie period. 457 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: So to have a hit that's just a scary movie 458 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: and about something is certainly a thrill. I think it's 459 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: more interesting when the movies are about something, and we 460 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: aspired to do that. But I couldn't run the company 461 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: if I'm mandated that that's the only thing that we 462 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: would do, right, Excuse me, I couldn't run the company 463 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: profitably if I'm mandated that's the only thing that we 464 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: were going to do. So sometimes it just has to 465 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: be a thrill ride you're thinking about it in a 466 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: wrong way. We read it, we love it, it's scary, 467 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: we want to do it now. It's icing on the 468 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: cake if it's about something. But even if it isn't 469 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: about something, if we love it and we think it's scary, 470 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: we want to do it. How many movies have you 471 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: made in the genre? How many have you made? I 472 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: think almost a hundred. D So you're a modern, clearly 473 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: very smart man, and I assume you've got data on 474 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: all of these movies. I'm sure you're looking at all 475 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: kinds of interesting metrics about how they perform. Is there 476 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: any correlation one way or the other, any any sort 477 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: of data that you have about movies about something versus 478 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: ones that are more straightforward that they work well, they 479 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: don't work well. There's certain markets where they blow up 480 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: and others where they don't. I hate data, Okay, interesting, 481 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: and I think that is the death of creativity. Okay. 482 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: And if we use data to make decisions, every movie 483 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: that we did that's been about something would never have 484 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: been made. If you use data, you would never make 485 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: Get Out. If you use data, you would you would 486 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: never make The Invisible Man, you would never make Split. 487 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: Any interesting movie that we made wouldn't have gotten made 488 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: with data. So you're rejecting data. I vehemently reject, oppose, 489 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: and despise data. Yes, you must hate Netflix. I definitely 490 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: don't hate Netflix. I have a lot of business with Netflix, 491 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 1: but I would not want to work at Netflix because 492 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to make decisions based on data that 493 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: would not be that's not something that said something I 494 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: believe in. They see that's interesting I would have expected. 495 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: And maybe this is just like because I'm a deranged 496 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: person who's from the Internet, and I think about like 497 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: a data rules everything. I actually think, you know, a 498 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: lot of the problems that the streamers are having probably 499 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: have to do with the reliance on data versus like 500 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: the instinct of the creators the artists who are actually 501 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: making this stuff. But the problems that the streamers are having, 502 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: as are it's to quality, have an enormous amount to 503 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: do with data, not alone, but for sure. So that 504 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: actually kind of leads into something I want to ask 505 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: you about, which is, I don't know how much you've 506 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: studied Roger Corman. Roger Corman for those that don't know, 507 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: and I apologize if you do know, was a producer 508 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: who essentially started sort of the wave of B movies 509 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, and he employed really really famous directors and 510 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: he basically gave them no money but let them sort 511 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: of do whatever they want, like Ron Howard and Martin 512 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: Scorsese and Jonathan Demi and Peter Buckdanovich and Joe Dante, 513 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: I mean, crazy directors worked for him. And he worked 514 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: with a ton of really amazing actors like Dennis Hopper 515 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: and Jack Nicholson and Sylvester Stallone, but he made all 516 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 1: of the movies really cheaply and very quickly, and just 517 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: like was cranking them out. Anyway, I've watched interviews with you, 518 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: and I've I've read stuff, and I think Planet Money 519 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: did a show about blum House and this kind of like, 520 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, cheap, fast and dirty method. But to me 521 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: it reminded me a lot of what I've you know, 522 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: read and heard about Roger Corman. Was any of what 523 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: he was doing an influence to how you've done this? Yeah, 524 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: I mean I didn't know much about Roger Corman. In 525 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: other words, I didn't like look at his company and say, 526 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: we'll do that. But we share a lot of DNA 527 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: with Roger Corman. We also don't share a lot of DNA. 528 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: What we there's there's a lot that we do that's 529 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: the same, which is, we make a lot of low 530 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: budget movies for sure, and no one gets paid unless 531 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: the movies make money. All that stuff. The biggest difference 532 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: between Roger Corman and Blumhouse on the movie side of 533 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: the business. TV is another thing altogether, But on the 534 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: movie side of the business is almost all of his 535 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: movies were done by first time directors. We almost never 536 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: do movies with first time directors. Hollywood puts an enormous 537 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: amount of emphasis great for our company kind of dumb, 538 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: I think, but great for our company on a director's 539 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: last movie. So even if a director has done three 540 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: great movies, if the last movie hasn't performed well, it's 541 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: more difficult for him or her to get a job 542 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: than it should be. So I'm particularly focused on either 543 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: showrunners people who come from TV Jordan peel Right, or 544 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: directors who maybe their last movie wasn't a big financial windfall, 545 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: but they have that in their past. James One comes 546 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: up with Saul one and two, like one of the 547 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: most successful horror movies ever of all time. He makes 548 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: these two movies for Universal that are interesting movies, they 549 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: don't quite connect with audiences. The guy cannot get arrested. 550 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: He comes into my office. He pitches me, I'm gonna 551 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: make Saw again. I have one constraint. I wanted to 552 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: be Pg. Thirteen because he doesn't want to be known 553 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: as the Saw. Guy comes up with Insidious. We just 554 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: shot our fifth Insidious movie. Guy came up with the 555 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: Country Guys. One of the most prolific, most successful people 556 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: in Hollywood and one of the great artists in Hollywood, 557 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: and he made a movie for my broken down company. 558 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: I've never I had made one movie when it came 559 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: to me because no one would make Insidious, which is 560 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: the difference between us and Corman and that and that's 561 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: a that's a big difference. Is there a movie you've 562 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: seen recently, a film that you did not make, You 563 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: did not have a hand in that. You were like, 564 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: I wish I had made that fucking course of course, 565 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: quiet Place I wish I made and the Conjuring I 566 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: wish I made. Those are the two. Did you get 567 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: a crack at the point now? But but I still, 568 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: I still they keep me up at night. They haunt me, 569 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: both of them, well, like sort of like a horror film. Obviously, 570 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: like you've spent a lot of time thinking about things 571 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: that are scary. My guess is you've got a pretty 572 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: good sense of what scares people. At this point, would 573 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: just say that's true. I would agree with you, Yes, 574 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: what do you in reality is scary? Donald Trump? And 575 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: that's not a controversial statement to make, is it? In Hollywood? 576 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: It's very controversial of the country disagrees with me. I 577 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: would say it's about as controversial as you get there's 578 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: a chunk of those people that want to do the 579 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: purge for real, Right, I think we can agree on that. 580 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: You know what, I would not go that far. I 581 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: will not say that. I'll say that we made a 582 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: great movie if you were going to ask me. Like, 583 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 1: one of my biggest regrets I have is that The 584 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: Hunt didn't get the kind of release and the attention 585 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: that it should have gotten. The Hunt was a movie 586 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: that was controversial, right. I actually did not see The Hunt, 587 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: so I'm a bit ignorant here, But you watch that tonight. 588 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: The Hunts one of the best movies the company has 589 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: ever made. We would have been talking about The Hunt 590 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: three right now. But Trump tweeted about it and a 591 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: journalist wrote a story about it that was incorrect. But 592 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: that's all it took to doom the movie, and the 593 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: movie was doomed. And just to be clear, the Hunt 594 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: is a movie about people hunting people. And what year 595 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: did this come out? The Hunt came out the week 596 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: before the pandemic began in March. Well that's kind of 597 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: a double whammy. That's true also, But that wasn't why 598 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: it didn't work the way it should up. But what 599 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: I was saying, bring up the hunt is I'm very 600 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: against like dividing red and blue. I don't believe in that, um, 601 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: And I think that it's unfortunate, not that anyone gives 602 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: a shit about what I have to say to politics. 603 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: I just hate Donald Trump, that's all. I certainly have 604 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: nothing against the people who voted for him. I just 605 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: don't like him. The hunt is about the fact that 606 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: they're extremes on both sides, and that there's the majority 607 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: of America's in the middle. That's what it's about to make. 608 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: There are extremes on both sides, but there are extreme 609 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: nutballs on both sides. Come on, that's agree except I 610 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: think you will agree that there's only one party that's like, 611 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: we don't believe in the results of the election. But 612 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: it's not the whole party, you know, and and and 613 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: that is it's not the whole party the Republicans, um, 614 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: Miss Cheney, for instance. You know, I agree that I 615 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: agree there's a few good ones in there. I'm not 616 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: trying to put you on the spot. Oh, I would 617 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: totally disagree. I think most Republicans are great people, most 618 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: of them, I mean people. Maybe I don't know how 619 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: they are as legislators. But okay, that a whole other podcast. 620 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 1: That's a whole other story. Anyhow. Okay, So, and this 621 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: has been so interesting, actually so much more interesting than 622 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: I could have imagined. I'm so glad. Not to say 623 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: I didn't think you would be interesting, but you had 624 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: answers that I did not see coming. Thought you were 625 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: going to have like a fanboy conversation. No, I don't know, 626 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: I thought, I thought. I don't know what I thought. 627 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: You're just Your comment about data, to me is kind 628 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: of blowing my mind, because everybody in the industry data 629 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,239 Speaker 1: is you can't create. Could you imagine going to an 630 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: artist who paints paintings and say, let's look at the 631 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: data from the Gogosian Gallery of the artists that have 632 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: sold in the last ten years. Now, paint something based 633 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, data is death to art and creativity. 634 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: But I can't imagine that. And it does happen for sure. 635 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's happening right now with paintings. I have 636 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: no doubt that somebody is studying what has been successful 637 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: in art, and they are looking at who is out 638 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: there that is in a style or in a genre. 639 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: In they're like ginning the beginning of the end of 640 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: American dominance and culture will be data. Okay, and your 641 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: next film was going to be about It's gonna be 642 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: a horrific film about movie about data. Exactly good. One 643 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to talk to you about, which 644 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: is you made a movie. It's called Unfriended Dark Web too. 645 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: There's two of them, Okay, yes, I mean basically it's 646 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: kind of about the Internet, right, very much so. Whenever 647 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: I see a movie that uses the Internet or like 648 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,959 Speaker 1: a cell phone as a device like technology, I find 649 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: that it's very hard to be scared by anything happening 650 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 1: on the Internet. Do you have to work extra hard 651 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: to make the Internet or a phone scary? Is it 652 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: even possible? It's impossible. I think that t More and 653 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: the guys who made that movie came as close as 654 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: you can. I agree with you. There's no it's like 655 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: impossible to make something scary when you're staring at a 656 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: series screen or what else from the screen? Almost impossible, right, 657 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: It's an interesting like almost like this black hole for horror. 658 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: A lot of people have tried it totally. As soon 659 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: as you get to the screen, you know the ring worked. 660 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't know why the ring works. There's a screen, 661 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: but it's this other worldly's sort of portal. The Internet, 662 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: weirdly enough, doesn't feel like another worldly portal, or maybe 663 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: it is so much of a portal. I think the 664 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: Internet is very scary, but it's impossible to make it 665 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: scary in a movie. Well, I think that is about 666 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: the best possible place we could leave it. Jason, I 667 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: have to say, this is a fascinating conversation. I'm so glad. 668 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time. And oh, oh wait 669 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: a second before you go, of course, there are new 670 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: Blumhouse things happening. Yes, of course, Soft and Quiet, give 671 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: me two seconds on it subject Quiet. It's a great 672 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: movie directly about white supremacy, and it just hits it 673 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: right on the nose. Is pro white supremacy or anti 674 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: white supremacy? It is very anti And there's not two 675 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: sides of white supremacy. That's not that there's not an 676 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: equivalent of Age'm just making sure there's only one side 677 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: of that. And uh Beth who directed this movie all 678 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: in one take, and it's um about this incredibly frightening 679 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: incident that takes place with this group of women, and 680 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: it's spectacular. I love the movie and it's one it's 681 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: one take. Yeah, it's great, and it's great and it's 682 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: great and I hope everyone sees it. Okay, that's coming 683 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: out November four. Nanny, which sounds like I'm not an expert, 684 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: but there's no way the nanny is like a good 685 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: guy in this movie. Novemb Well, no, the nanny is 686 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: quite good. It's the it's the people who employ the nanny. 687 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: The nanny is the good guy. It's interesting. Okay. Well, well, 688 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: I mean I don't want to, you know, you gotta 689 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: go see the movie. But the movie is great. Okay, yeah, 690 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: I know. Spoilers coming out November twenty three. Actually, in 691 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: this last one, Megan which I assume it's pronounced Megan, 692 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: not m threegan, but Megan is amazing. The trailers out now, 693 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: the trailers fucked up. The trailer is upsetting in a 694 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: big way. You know that, right, See the trailer. It's 695 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: to rip it and uh. It's made with James One, 696 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: the gentleman I talked about earlier. He's the he's my 697 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: producing partner on it. And the movie is just fantastic. 698 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: It opens in January. It's very very very very scary 699 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: and creepy and and We'll haunt you at night. The 700 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: trailers haunt him. Did you expect the viral kind of 701 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: thing to happen with the trailer? Did you see that coming? 702 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: I didn't expect it, but I hoped for it, and 703 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad to see. If you had studied the data, 704 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: you would have known that was going to happen. You're 705 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 1: not said data. No one would have seen the trailer. 706 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: If I studied the data, we wouldn't have made the 707 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: movie exactly exactly, all right, Jason, thank you so much. 708 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: Come back and do this against until. It's a great pleasure. 709 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: I'd love to. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for having me, 710 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. Bye bye. Well, that was a 711 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: fantastic conversation. Uh, far better than I could possibly have 712 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: imagined any conversation that I've ever had going. So what 713 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: did you think was the most surprising part? He had 714 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: very strong feelings about data, which I feel like it 715 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 1: is very encouraging to me and exciting because his films 716 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: are successful and a lot of people love them. And 717 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: I also think data is overused some places, particularly in 718 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: the creation of art. But yeah, no, it was good. 719 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm mean it was fascinating that he's done a life 720 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: hack on the movie industry with this idea of horror 721 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: being like a broad release sort of thing that you 722 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: don't have to spend a lot of money on, which 723 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: is I mean, truly an incredible point that I would 724 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: have never thought of or considered. But it is true that. 725 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean, these are blockbuster movies they're making, but they're 726 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: making them on often on very small budgets. I mean, 727 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: Paranormal Activity apparently was made for fifteen thousand dollars and 728 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: it grows two hundred nine three million, which is like, 729 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: that's like dream movie stuff. Like every person in the 730 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: in the industry is like, if I could just make 731 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: a movie for five cents and it makes one billion dollars, 732 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: that would be ideal. So I mean, he's kind of cracked. 733 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: This means again it's like a hack, which I think 734 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: is is very cool. But um, I mean, actually, when 735 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: I started thinking about this conversation, one of my prevailing 736 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: thoughts was, how do you make white supremacy in a 737 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: film ever fun? And I know that sounds like a 738 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: crazy thought, but in the latest Purgeons moment, it's obviously 739 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: the white supremacists are terrible they're the villains. It's not ambiguous, 740 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: it's not both sides. It's like they are unambiguously the 741 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: bad guys. And it's great when they get killed. We 742 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: love when they get killed. Everybody's screaming out of their 743 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,720 Speaker 1: seats when they get killed. If you're like a neo Nazi, 744 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: I bet these movies are really weird for you. I mean, 745 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: but it would be so amazing to watch a bunch 746 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: of neo Nazis watch the latest Purge movie, because they'd 747 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: be like, wait a second, anyhow. But I think it 748 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: is is fascinating that it can be a fun movie 749 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: and action packed and scary and suspenseful, but also it 750 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: is talking about immigration and white supremacists and you know, 751 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: a conservative political party that's obsessed with violence and and guns, 752 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: and it is definitely talking about that stuff. It is 753 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,280 Speaker 1: definitely means. Sometimes it's heavy handed, sometimes it's more subtle, 754 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: but those are topics and the types of movies those 755 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: things are discussed in are nine times out of ten 756 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: are documentaries, and they don't make hundreds of millions of 757 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: dollars at the box office, So you know, is it 758 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: good is it bad? I can't say, but it's happening, 759 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: and it is an interesting and very modern place to 760 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: be in filmmaking that that maybe that's the only way 761 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: to talk about it. Maybe the only way to confront 762 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: the violence of the world that we live in is 763 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: to present people with fantasy violence. Which Blumhouse movie do 764 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: you think you're gonna go watch? Now? Well, I am 765 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: curious about the Hunt, I have to say, and uh, 766 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: that may be on the list. I haven't seen any 767 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: of the insidious movies. Here's the thing. I mean, honestly, 768 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: there's just too many Blumhouse movies. I mean, I think 769 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: I'm happy. I'm happy for them, like I'm glad it's 770 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: going well, but there's so many movies like like I 771 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: saw Split, but I haven't seen Glass. Yeah, I think 772 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: I've seen a later paranormal Activity, but not the original. 773 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: I have not seen Happy Death, Death, Rat Seeking You help, 774 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,240 Speaker 1: I BRANDI