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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're a little too excited

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Speaker 1: that the Texans veterans are reporting for training camp tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal beyond lucky today to be joined in

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Speaker 1: the studio by my friend Patrick Claybahn.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Football is back.

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Speaker 3: It's back, and a lot of people are back on

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Speaker 3: their consoles for the first time in fifteen years, celebrating

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Speaker 3: college football returning. But yeah, we're here, Greg, and I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: Coming up later, we're gonna do some fake football steam,

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Speaker 3: which is a perfect offseason thing. But yeah, this is

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Speaker 3: real life. I got travel schedules coming up. This all

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Speaker 3: escalated very quickly.

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Speaker 2: It is all happening. And yeah, you mentioned EA the

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Speaker 2: college football game coming out. We have shook on later.

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Speaker 1: He is the video game expert at the company, so

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Speaker 1: we might have to talk a little college football later.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned fake football.

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Speaker 1: It's not fantasy, although you are a fantasy expert, and

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Speaker 1: we're definitely gonna hit fantasy. I was back in the day,

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Speaker 1: and I'm back. I'm back in the fantasy game. I

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Speaker 1: am in an actual league for the second time. I

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Speaker 1: took about twelve years off and joined the league with

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Speaker 1: a friend of mine last year, and so yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk fantasy throughout the season, but this isn't really that

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Speaker 1: kind of fantasy. This is an important moment on this

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Speaker 1: show's history in which we're going to determine if you

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Speaker 1: were going to take one player in the NFL and

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Speaker 1: clone that player and put them at every single position

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Speaker 1: on offense and defense, yep, to win the most amount

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Speaker 1: of games, which player would you choose.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have a little draft later.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: I also, I am excited because the news is starting

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Speaker 1: to pick up and today not all of it's great news,

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Speaker 1: I have to admit, but every day this week, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be starting each day with the news and let's

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Speaker 3: It would take it would take you six hours to

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Speaker 4: Shout out to anybody who remembers that.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I do, that was like late middle

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Speaker 1: it's a little jarring to hear Joe Buck.

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Speaker 2: I have to get used to that, but I do

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Speaker 1: I don't like what we're starting the news today, but

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Speaker 1: it really was the biggest football item to happen over

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Speaker 1: Here in Los Angeles. The California Highway Patrol Police confirm

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Speaker 1: to our website NFL dot com they revealed that there

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Speaker 1: then he was arrested shortly thereafter. The Vikings released a

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Speaker 1: the second consecutive offseason Addison's encountered a legal issue on

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Speaker 4: It should go without saying, don't drink and drive.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the easiest and most responsible reaction that

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Speaker 3: We lose people every day, and this is again, as

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Speaker 3: If you're serving these people, if you're around these people

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Speaker 4: It's really frustrating. I really don't know what else to say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there isn't much to say other than this is

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Speaker 1: last year off of that incident. Now this is two

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Speaker 1: see what's next for Jordan Addison. But just considering what

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Speaker 2: Less noteworthy, but.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting has been DeVante Adams' summer really weak of

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Speaker 2: Getting into training camp. He's given us a lot to

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to him on the Up and Adams Show

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Speaker 1: with Fan duel with ky Adams.

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Speaker 5: Oh he's in that ear, that's for sure. He's in

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Speaker 5: the ear. But you know it's not as it's not

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Speaker 5: as easy as it. You know, obviously we can get

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Speaker 5: doing this and that. But like I said, I'm a raider,

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Speaker 5: so and he knows that. So we'll maybe in the

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Speaker 1: So people picked up the first part of this quote,

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Speaker 1: there's just been a lot of conversation with these two

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Speaker 1: is this going to happen? And if you watch that

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Speaker 1: just doesn't feel like it's something that could realistically happen,

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Speaker 1: whether Aaron Rodgers wants it to or not.

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Speaker 3: No, And there was a couple of moments in that interview,

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Speaker 3: and you heard it in that clip where Davante said,

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Speaker 3: refrain I am a raider. He also said, you know,

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Speaker 4: Is the Davante Adams quote.

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Speaker 3: And if you do watch the Receiver, I think, did

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Speaker 4: He's running a lot of routes.

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Speaker 4: I've got to get out of here.

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Speaker 3: I think seeing those moments may make you feel that

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Speaker 3: thinking about and making decisions right. I think the whole

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Speaker 3: of her union, I don't think Devonte needs Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: He just needs competent offense and quarterback play.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna get that. But one

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Speaker 1: of the most fascinating clips for that show was he

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Speaker 1: was quoted saying, I signed off on that when Jimmy

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure they're just keeping him in the mix.

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Speaker 1: They're making that decision, but he said, I love Jimmy,

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Speaker 1: He's a great guy. Something had to happen in order

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Speaker 1: for me to remain a raider in all honesty, and

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Speaker 1: that's not in the moment.

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Speaker 2: No, that's that's that's later that week. So that's for me.

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Speaker 2: He said, Jimmy Garoppol had to get bench for him

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Speaker 3: Well, anybody with eyes right, I could say that it

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Speaker 3: it just makes sense because DeVante has been a very

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Speaker 3: Like he's playing a lot of football and the Raiders

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: On a positive note, he seemed like a fan of

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Speaker 1: as well, and he said he thought it was Aiden's

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Speaker 3: So but the red lettering to me on that quote

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Speaker 1: Well he knows it's not up to him and Gardner

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Speaker 1: he hopes As t Higgins. He did not sign his

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Speaker 1: deadline for franchise tag players to sign their long term deals,

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Speaker 1: due to make twenty one point eight million dollars under

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Speaker 2: It's really not free agency.

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Speaker 1: And yet Josh heinz Allen we covered with Mina that

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Speaker 1: Sneve got traded and got long term deal. So it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe this, if this is the new norm, that that's

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Speaker 1: good for NFL.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels kind of shifting in between the because

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Speaker 3: right and a tool to come.

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Speaker 1: They would do better if they were just free agents. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: gonna come back after the break and we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: one of the most important things we will ever do

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Speaker 1: on NFL Daily.

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Speaker 2: Yes, back on NFL Daily, and we needed something regal, we.

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Speaker 1: Needed something that said, your life's about to change. We're

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Speaker 1: going to solve one of the greatest questions you can ask,

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Speaker 1: what player would you draft, of any NFL player right

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Speaker 1: now if you had to clone them and put them

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Speaker 1: at every twenty two every position on the NFL field

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Speaker 1: and win a.

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Speaker 3: Game twenty two times, some one of them is going

448
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Speaker 3: to have to kick, perhaps punt depending on your offensive strategy.

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Speaker 3: And that's the that's the beauty of this completely preposterous

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Speaker 3: hypothetical idea. Disregarding all the moral implications of cloning people.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, we don't want to think about that.

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Speaker 3: But essentially, and because you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 3: run a foul of any massive corporate entities. I will

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Speaker 3: call this the prefaced right because again, apologies in advance,

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Speaker 3: and I celebrate the entire fictional universe surrounding books, movies,

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Speaker 3: and television shows and Star Wars.

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Speaker 4: I think people know.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this is the large scale conflict between replicated individuals.

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Speaker 2: Okay, large scale conflict between because you can.

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Speaker 3: Call it a war, right, you can call them clones.

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Speaker 3: Were just like the super Bowl. We're the only people

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Speaker 3: that can say super Bowl and you have to watch

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Speaker 3: cringe television where they call it the Big Game. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to be extra safe because that's where I am.

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Speaker 4: Right now. We are going to run. We are going

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Speaker 4: to draft. I'll give Greg the first overall pick.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you're just making that decision that I have the

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Speaker 1: first pick. I like, you know you can charge. And

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Speaker 1: this was Patrick's idea, and I thought, I want everyone

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Speaker 1: to come to this show with ideas, and it is

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Speaker 1: a perfect idea this week.

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Speaker 2: And I.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I am going to go first. I kind of

474
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Speaker 1: wanted you do because I was very curious where you go.

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Speaker 1: But I am going to go first. I should hide

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Speaker 1: my draft boards from me over here. And again they're

477
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Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna line them up on the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna line them up at tight end. You can

479
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Speaker 1: you can go two tight ends.

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Speaker 4: If your offense is up to you.

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna have to have some line player. You're

482
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Speaker 1: gonna have to have them at quarterback. And so my

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Speaker 1: first pick in this Clone draft replicated individuals draft whatever,

484
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen and so here here's where I started. Number One,

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are still important in the game of football, in

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Speaker 1: this game of football, and so to me, the ultimate

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Speaker 1: player here, and I'm not gonna pick all quarterbacks that

488
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Speaker 1: would be boring, but the ultimate player here would be

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Speaker 1: a quarterback that also has size so that they can

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Speaker 1: hold up. They're gonna have to play defense, they're gonna

491
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Speaker 1: have to play the offensive line, and they're gonna need

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Speaker 1: some want to I'm gonna say, they're gonna They're gonna

493
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Speaker 1: want to have to get dirty, and Josh Allen's gonna

494
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Speaker 1: have to want to block for Josh Allen, and Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen's gonna have to and I'm not talking about Joshua

496
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Speaker 1: Hines Allen. Josh Josh Allen's gonna have to get off

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Speaker 1: through the quarterback. And no matter what Clone team you

498
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Speaker 1: put against him, he's going to have to cover. And

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Speaker 1: I just thought of all the possible options, and I

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Speaker 1: went through different quarterbacks and maybe you'll draft one, maybe

501
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Speaker 1: you won't. He wasn't the first one I thought of,

502
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Speaker 1: but the more and more I thought about it, I

503
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Speaker 1: thought he would have the desire. I thought, obviously he

504
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Speaker 1: can play the quarterback. We're gonna need to run the

505
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Speaker 1: ball quite a bit, and I think he could handle

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Speaker 1: the other positions better in aggregate than any other quarterback

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Speaker 1: out there.

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Speaker 2: He's my number one overall pick.

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Speaker 3: When we initially did this exercise, right, it was, I

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Speaker 3: believe in twenty eighteen, and from twenty eleven to twenty nineteen,

511
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Speaker 3: Cameron Drell Newton was the obvious answer. Yes, the obvious

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Speaker 3: answer to this exercise. I think all time, Cam has

513
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Speaker 3: a very good case. Josh Allen, is it right now?

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Speaker 3: So you've taken my number one over.

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Speaker 4: Yes, mention.

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Speaker 1: It took me a while to get there. Look, the

517
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Speaker 1: dumbest thing I've ever said on the show. Maybe not

518
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Speaker 1: that dumb, because I was, like, I've said a lot

519
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Speaker 1: of dumb things, but I first couple of years I

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Speaker 1: kept saying, oh, Josh Allen could be a poor man's

521
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Speaker 1: Cam Newton if he ever got there, and so I

522
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Speaker 1: was thinking that way. Now I have to admit, even

523
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Speaker 1: as a Cam Newton fan, he has gotten there and

524
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Speaker 1: excelled and exceeded whatever I expected.

525
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Speaker 2: But very similar players. I think, the most similar to

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Speaker 2: Cam of any player that's come a long since.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and hopefully Bills don't don't run him into the ground,

528
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Speaker 3: and he's got a busted shoulder.

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Speaker 2: His durability was part of it too.

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Speaker 1: I thought of other potential physical quarterbacks Jaalen Hurts and

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson and stuff, and I thought, you know, at

532
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, I've seen him out there year after year

533
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Speaker 1: and he's just always that dude.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And I had the potential again to have multiple quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: yes on my board, But I think for the sake

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Speaker 3: of playing out this large scale conflict between replicated individuals,

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Speaker 3: m I'm going to have to take a defender off

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Speaker 3: the board. We see him in multiple sports.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: The athleticism is there, it's clear, and I think our

541
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Speaker 3: offense may suffer, but our defense is going to be

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Speaker 3: very difficult, specifically for the Josh Allen teams. Right, you're

543
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Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson teams to deal with some of my With

544
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Speaker 3: the second pick in the large scale conflict between replicated individuals,

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Speaker 3: I would like to take Miles Garrett the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on my board.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're running and I think you're gonna

548
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Speaker 1: have to on offense, a triple option type of offense.

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Speaker 2: I mean, three Miles Garretts would be pretty crazy.

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Speaker 1: If you're hiking it to Garrett and he's got Garrett

551
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Speaker 1: next to him and then Garrett on the other side,

552
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Speaker 1: and you gotta have a lot of faith in your coaching.

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Speaker 1: But this was gonna be my pitch because Garrett is

554
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Speaker 1: on my board. It's funny we went in the same place.

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Speaker 1: I just think because he's going to be almost impossible

556
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Speaker 1: to score on.

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Speaker 2: But I do think that offense could work.

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Speaker 4: The offense could work.

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Speaker 3: Clearly, we're going to try to slow the game down

560
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Speaker 3: depending on the matchup, right, because you go up against

561
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Speaker 3: one of these ol teams, right, things get things could

562
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Speaker 3: get very dicey. But but I do think think we're

563
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Speaker 3: running the ball and it's it's man across the board. Yeah,

564
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Speaker 3: we're just we're just gonna try to out athlete you

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Speaker 3: If you watch the Miles Garrett basketball hollights, it's terrorizing,

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Speaker 3: it's fear inducing, and so that that's why after you

567
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Speaker 3: took my first pick, I will go with Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 1: I think the two scariest positions most impressive in real

569
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Speaker 1: life when you see them in our defense or ultimately

570
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Speaker 1: a great edgresher and then actually a great tight end.

571
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Speaker 1: If you see them in real life, you're like, those

572
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Speaker 1: are the two scariest, best best athletes, and so you

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Speaker 1: picked the scariest and best athlete of them all at

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Speaker 1: that position. I want to watch that team. I'm sad

575
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Speaker 1: he's he's off my board. I'm scrambling, but I'm gonna

576
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Speaker 1: take a Sewell with myck.

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Speaker 4: We spend too much time to go.

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Speaker 2: We've seen him. I mean, this guy can move. You

579
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Speaker 2: mentioned the offensive line teams.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple options, but Piney Sewell is my first

581
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Speaker 1: tackle that I would that I would choose because the

582
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Speaker 1: hands are silky, they're soft.

583
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Speaker 2: We've seen him move in space.

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Speaker 1: Five pine Seels on the offensive line is just preposterous.

585
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Speaker 1: We're going to be able to run the ball and

586
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Speaker 1: I think pine Seuel could run the ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it creates difficulty for my potential cornerback teams

588
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Speaker 3: because because I did think that there were some big corners.

589
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Speaker 3: I don't know that they can compete with the Pinae

590
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Speaker 3: Sewel team or the Miles Garrett team. But it becomes

591
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Speaker 3: that much more difficult considering run scheme and versatility, and

592
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Speaker 3: it makes me think about the absurd arm length conversations.

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Speaker 1: Well, if the rules are the same in the in

594
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Speaker 1: the replicated individuals league, you know, you throw the Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen team.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a cornerback and wide receiver team.

597
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's still gonna be tough for Pine to get,

598
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Speaker 1: you know, hands on those wide receivers. Now, can the

599
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Speaker 1: can the Pinae quarterback have enough time to fight?

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Speaker 2: You know it's going to be an issue.

601
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, is he throwing the ball? Is our second

602
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Speaker 4: I guess he's not much.

603
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Speaker 3: It's probably not, and so it's it's one of those

604
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Speaker 3: things and styles may fights. But but some of these

605
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: teams aren't just good, They're just not going to be

606
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Speaker 3: able to compete. And that's why with my second pick, Okay,

607
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Speaker 3: and I believe it's probably gonna be on your board

608
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Speaker 3: as well, I will take George Kittle of the San

609
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Speaker 3: Francisco forty nine ers, because again, in this league, the

610
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Speaker 3: run game is paramount, because there are several teams that

611
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Speaker 3: just aren't gonna be able to throw the ball. I

612
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Speaker 3: don't know how much we've seen. There's social clips of

613
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Speaker 3: George Kittle throwing the ball. I think he can get

614
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Speaker 3: He could.

615
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Speaker 4: Get it out there. To George Kittle, I research very well.

616
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Speaker 3: But I also think it provides us with a well

617
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Speaker 3: rounded team that may not be able to beat everybody,

618
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Speaker 3: but they will be in games.

619
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Speaker 2: I agree the want to will be there.

620
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Speaker 1: I think he would embrace this challenge, you know, and

621
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Speaker 1: him as a clone would also like his clones would

622
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Speaker 1: embrace this challenge. And yet a lot of injuries coming

623
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Speaker 1: off of core muscle surgery injury. Even right now, I

624
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Speaker 1: don't know if that's part of this world. He is older.

625
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Speaker 1: If you're giving me year two George Kittle, just some

626
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Speaker 1: miles on him, I don't know if the speed is

627
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Speaker 1: gonna be there for you. I actually am gonna go

628
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Speaker 1: to one of his teammates. Then I'm gonna go Fred Warner.

629
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Speaker 1: So I did want to have and I won a

630
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Speaker 1: pretty heavy offense, but I wanted to have one team

631
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Speaker 1: that just had the best chance of locking you down

632
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Speaker 1: on defense.

633
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's Miles Garrett.

634
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Speaker 1: I think if you had eleven Fred Warners, what aren't

635
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Speaker 1: you stopping? He's gonna get to the pass rusher. We

636
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Speaker 1: know he's gonna be good in coverage. We've seen that

637
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Speaker 1: his end to end speed is just insane. He has

638
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Speaker 1: sort of solved a problem that about twenty eight teams

639
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Speaker 1: have out there of like what do we do with

640
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Speaker 1: the entire middle of the field. If you have Fred Warner,

641
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: you've solved it. Imagine having eleven Fred Warners. I mean,

642
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Speaker 1: I don't know what he can do on offense obviously,

643
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: but he's kind of in that middle range like a

644
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, where like he's big enough that he could

645
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Speaker 1: protect for Fred Warner. He's fast enough he could move

646
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: at the ball. And yet it's all about the defense.

647
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Speaker 1: I think this is the number one defense in the

648
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Speaker 1: replicated Individuals League.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a tough bet to argue with.

650
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Speaker 3: I had a linebacker that was on my board as well,

651
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: because the play recognition for Fred Warner is when he

652
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Speaker 3: has ten people who are not Fred Warner on the field.

653
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: What's it look like when Fred Warner's are just doing

654
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: their job right and not covering for everybody else's?

655
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Speaker 2: Well, what does it look like when all eleven know

656
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do it?

657
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh, Miles Garrett, Yeah, you're gonna fool me

658
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: eleven Miles Garretts forget it.

659
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: Fred Warner knows.

660
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: But that's that's the beauty of that's the beauty of

661
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 4: the triple option.

662
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: And and just what how perhaps perhaps Miles throws an

663
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: option passing there the Fred Warners do have to score

664
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: as well, which which makes things difficult and leads me

665
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: to and you could say I'm cheating, right, and people

666
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: say that it's cheating in the fantasy world. I think

667
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: this discussion would be silly to not include one Taysom

668
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: Hill of the New Orleans Saints. Did I get you?

669
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: Did I snipe you?

670
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: I actually wish I took him earlier. I just figured

671
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: there's no way this Taysom hater is gonna go with

672
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: what's an obvious choice.

673
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 4: Some some of what might have felt like he.

674
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: Might have he might have gotten higher.

675
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: I perhaps some latent frustration wanting Alvin Kamara to get that,

676
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: to get that seventh touchdown and Tasom for some reason

677
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: scoring it.

678
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: Uh might have leached over a little bit.

679
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: That's a great pick.

680
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: But I think in terms of what we're doing, we

681
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: are we are replicating individuals. Taysom Hill has done more

682
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: in more spots than most people.

683
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: Gotta have them on my team.

684
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: I've loved the Taysom Hill journey. He's a player we

685
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: argued about on around the NFL, Like the minute he

686
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: came out, Chris just thought he was changing the game,

687
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: that he was the most valuable player on the Saints,

688
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: like in that in that playoff game against the Vikings,

689
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: and he was up there, and I was like, I

690
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: was maybe pushing back against some of the hype. And

691
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: I gotta say, like, as the years have gone on

692
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: and you've seen him do more and more, and yeah,

693
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: he was never going to be a quarterback. The only

694
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: thing I was mad about was Sean Payton selling us

695
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: a bill of goods that this guy wasn't. But what

696
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: he is is freaking incredible and a guy that is

697
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: unlike anyone else in the league. And we see him

698
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: as a gunner, we see him as a returnment, we

699
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: see him as a tight end, he's pretty darn effective

700
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: in all those why not put him on defense? I'm

701
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: mad he maybe should have gotten higher. I just thought

702
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: I could slide him through to the end. I'm going

703
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: to take someone then, I don't want to fallow any further.

704
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 1: It's Derrick Henry.

705
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

706
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: Look, it's going to be.

707
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: A running league, but you want to at least have

708
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: the option to pass. You know who leads the NFL

709
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: in completion percentage with at least nine throws over the

710
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: last eight years, I got I guess it's Dereck Henry.

711
00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: He's seven for nine, fun with stats, four touchdowns. I mean,

712
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: that's that's unbelievable. He's thrown a touchdown in almost fifty

713
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: percent of his passes. He's hitting seventy seven percent. And

714
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: I think he's still got the juice. I think we're

715
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: going to be able to run the ball, and I

716
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: think I think he's got the agility. He's gotten better

717
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: at receiver that he could hold up on defense. And

718
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: again it's the want too.

719
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's especially the way that the draft board has

720
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: shaken out. I think some of your concerns with Derrick

721
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: Henry on defense are kind of alleviated, and the offense.

722
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: The potential, right, it is just a whole lot of different,

723
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: especially if you coming off a win against you know,

724
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: the taste against Piney Sewel and you're thinking, oh, yeah,

725
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: we could stop the run. It's a whole different situation

726
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: playing eleven Derrick Henry's so it's again. It's one of

727
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 3: those situations where four years ago, oh my god, right

728
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 3: now it's it's there. He might have come back a

729
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 3: little bit, but not that much. I think Derrick Henry

730
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: still has some mileage left. I with this pick, I

731
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: don't know how much more picks we're gonna do.

732
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna have one more, one more, this, my last one,

733
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: after this, after this one, Well, then I'll take it

734
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: five each.

735
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 4: Okay, I will take my offensive lineman.

736
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 3: I will have Tristan Wurfs who ran that four to

737
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: eight to Oho at three hundred and twenty six pounds.

738
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 4: I'm taking it.

739
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

740
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: I think this league is gonna be a lot of

741
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: fun again, the last picks in the large scale conflict

742
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: between replicated individuals.

743
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: Drafts coming right up.

744
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: But I love just how off o line Twitter would

745
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: really embrace this league.

746
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: They would believe that they would come out on top.

747
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: And I think they'd have a better chance, Like they're

748
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: over under is six and a half wins, and people

749
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: might be sleeping on the Pinazool and Tristan Wurf's teams.

750
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm wrapping up my draft. You you really have taken

751
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: a lot on my board. But who are the best athletes?

752
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: I think it might be cornerbacks. So I'm just gonna

753
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: go with athletes here, and I'm gonna go with Jalen Ramsey.

754
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: And I wanted a physical cornerback that can hold up

755
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: at least enough. And obviously the weakness is going to

756
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: be on the lines in going against some of these

757
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: bigger teams. But in a league like this, you have

758
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: eleven of the best athletes on the field. If I

759
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: had to pick one position that's maybe just pure best athlete,

760
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: I think it's cornerback.

761
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: Plus he'd be a little crazy. I just feel like

762
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: the cornerback teams would be fun. I'm going to Jalen

763
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 2: Ramsey is my last pick.

764
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it makes so much sense.

765
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: And I do want to address like a travesty from

766
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: last season where Will Levis runs into Jalen Ramsey and

767
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: goes absolutely nowhere.

768
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: His I'm gonna say, his.

769
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: Momentum completely came to a stump, and the conversation was like, oh,

770
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 3: will Levis trucks Jalen Ramsey go back and watch.

771
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: He didn't go anywhere he went down.

772
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 3: He just he went straight down. And so yeah, Jalen

773
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 3: was on the board. And I'll follow with my last

774
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: pick because I do think defensive backs I need love.

775
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: I was going to take Jalen Ramsey, but I'll take

776
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 3: another Florida State defensive back in Derwin James. And because

777
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 3: kind of gets slept on, kind of forget about Durwin

778
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: uh out here in Los Angeles considered the way that

779
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: the defense is gone. But you just a big, fast,

780
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: versatile defensive back. It's we got to have them in

781
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 3: the league. And I believe it's.

782
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: Good for the league. I agree. Patrick Peterson maybe when

783
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: he was younger, would have been a fun one.

784
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: He could throw the ball a little bit. I was

785
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: trying to find guys who could maybe throw it. I

786
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: don't know if Jalen Ramsey can do that.

787
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't care.

788
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: This is gonna be an important exercise that we tracked

789
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: throughout the season.

790
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, come at come to us.

791
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: Let us know which a large scale conflict between replicated individuals. Team.

792
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: I'll took all the shorter nights that you think did better,

793
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: so we'll put that maybe out on social We you

794
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: have the email address NFL Daily at gmail dot com.

795
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure, Patrick.

796
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna welcome in Nick Wesseling to finish out that

797
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: show a little surprise, little nice, fun, little after dinner.

798
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say goodbye to you, but it's a big

799
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: week for Patrick here on the show.

800
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: You will be back tomorrow, so looking forward to that.

801
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 4: I'll be buck.

802
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: We'll be back with Nick Westling after the break. Welcome

803
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: back to NFL Daily. So excited for today's after dinner

804
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: min Just that little little something special to finish the

805
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: show out with my friend Nick Westling. Nick wearing the

806
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: FC Cincinnati jersey.

807
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

808
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: We're taping here in the Chris Westling podcast studio. Nick,

809
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: and you're obviously such a big part of around the

810
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: NFL that I just wanted you to be part of

811
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: this show too. And I knew, I you know, it's

812
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: either you or Phil, and I love Phil, but I

813
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: love having you on because you're gonna give Phil a

814
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: ton of grief for the fact that you're on and

815
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: he's not.

816
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I'm sporting the FC Cincinnati jersey because Columbus

817
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 6: third place. Right now, who's at the top of the table,

818
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 6: the real hometown team, FC Cincinnati.

819
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: No, nobody knows. That's not fair. MLS has a lot

820
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: of fans.

821
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: But you know, our focus has been on COPA, it's

822
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: been on euro It's let's be real, it's been on

823
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: launching the show and my family and in Wimbledon, and

824
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just it makes me happy to

825
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: see your face, Nick, And we've talked over the last

826
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and so I wanted to talk to

827
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: you on air because yeah, I want you to be

828
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: part of this show and and uh, I know you'll

829
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: be sporting the hell out of Dan and Mark two

830
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: with what they do.

831
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: And it's cool to just see your face.

832
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: An't that we talk a little at Bengals because like Chris,

833
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: and look, if you're a new listener or you came

834
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: along late in the process. Obviously Nick's brother and my

835
00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: great friend Chris Westling is no longer with us, made

836
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: a dossier giving up his Bengals fandom more than twenty

837
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: something years ago, and like Chris, you pretend you're not

838
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: really a Bengals fan, but your wife is a die

839
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: hard fan, and you have the second coming in Joe

840
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: Burrow and he's arrived, Like, what is the Bengals feeling?

841
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: And will you admit that you actually do care?

842
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 4: Well?

843
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 6: I mean, I do care. I would call myself a

844
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 6: casual fan. I wouldn't insult the real fan by saying

845
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 6: that I'm a fan because I wasn't there through all

846
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 6: the tough times the way a lot of people in

847
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 6: Cincinnati were. Now there's a lot to be excited about.

848
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 6: I wondered how Chris would feel about this team. You

849
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 6: got all the talent in the world, but they haven't

850
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 6: been able to keep Joe Burrow upright. They get him

851
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 6: killed every year. It's frustrating to some extent, so you

852
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 6: wonder are they going to be able to protect They've

853
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 6: invested a ton of money into the offensive line. You

854
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 6: know they have the talent around him. You know he's

855
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 6: the guy. So what are we doing here? Is this

856
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 6: going to be the year or not?

857
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: M you tell me.

858
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: I mean they have invested on the offensive line, They've tried,

859
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think that was really the reason he

860
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: was struggling. Last year was all offensive line play, just

861
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: a couple of injuries, didn't play well, and once he

862
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: was playing well, he got hurt again. But you gave

863
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: a lot of money to Orlando Brown junior, You're bringing

864
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: Trent Brown, you draft a Mariusmims like those are three

865
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: monster tackles. The thing that worries me a little bit

866
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: is something we talked about earlier in the show is like,

867
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 1: you're doing the Bengals thing where t Higgins is playing

868
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: one last year and not really many teams do that

869
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: sort of thing anymore, and it does give you a

870
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: little bit of old Bengals vibe. But this year also

871
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: gives me a like, Okay, this crew is together for

872
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: maybe one last year vibe.

873
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: Get it done now.

874
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: We left Sofi Stadium on the night of the Super Bowl, Nick,

875
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Speaker 1: and you were in a great mood that night, and

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Speaker 1: the feeling is like, Oh, they'll be back, and I

877
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Speaker 1: think they will be with Joe Burrow, but this is

878
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Speaker 1: the last time I think they'll be back with this

879
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Speaker 1: particular group, especially Jamar and te together.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's disappointing. You would hope they could have gotten

881
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Speaker 6: a deal done, but you know, financially, it doesn't always

882
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 6: work out. You got to pay Chase obviously, Burrows signed

883
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Speaker 6: the big deal. Do you have room to sign t Higgins?

884
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Speaker 6: It doesn't look like it. They drafted Burton in what

885
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Speaker 6: the third round, a megatalon the guy maybe wasn't always

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Speaker 6: the most popular guy in the locker room or with

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Speaker 6: the coaching staff. So we'll see how that works out.

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Speaker 6: You know, you wonder if they have a guy that

889
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Speaker 6: can work underneath the two awesome receivers. Is that going

890
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Speaker 6: to be Burton? It doesn't seem to fit any of

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Speaker 6: the other guys. Trent Irwin did it a little bit,

892
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Speaker 6: but I don't know if he's the real deal or not.

893
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Speaker 6: You had Tyler Boyd he's gone. I don't know if

894
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Speaker 6: the offense is gonna gonna be the problem here. Mina

895
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Speaker 6: Kimes kind of stole my thunder a little bit last week.

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Speaker 6: Beangles defense in last year it was a mess for

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Speaker 6: most of the year. Early in the year, they were

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Speaker 6: making plays. Uh, the defense was to keep them in

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Speaker 6: it even though they were giving up a ton of yards.

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Speaker 6: I think you said it. Logan Wilson and Jermaine Pratt

901
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Speaker 6: looked a step slower last year. But they still made

902
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Speaker 6: a lot of plays. I mean you look at their

903
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Speaker 6: stats and you're like, wow, they made a ton of tackles,

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Speaker 6: They made a ton of plays. They played almost all

905
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Speaker 6: the all the every game, every minute, every snap of

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Speaker 6: every game almost I wonder that. You know, there was

907
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Speaker 6: a lot of reports of them both being banged up

908
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Speaker 6: last year that could have that could have affected it.

909
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Speaker 6: We know the defensive line is banged up last year.

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Speaker 6: We'll see how all geils this year. I'm so worried

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Speaker 6: about the secondary. The safety's got burned a lot. You know,

912
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Speaker 6: can Taylor Britt looked the part, but outside of that,

913
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Speaker 6: there wasn't much in that secondary to get too excited about.

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Speaker 6: So we'll see. I mean new year. You know you

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Speaker 6: always say it's hope season, right, So I think the Bengals,

916
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Speaker 6: you know they'll be in the mix for sure. You know, tough,

917
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Speaker 6: tough division. Who knows what's going to go on with Cleveland.

918
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Speaker 6: You never know what Deshaun Watson in that offense. Sometimes

919
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Speaker 6: they look like what look lights out and sometimes they

920
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Speaker 6: look terrible. You know their defense is going to be there.

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Speaker 2: They look against that's where that's where they look great.

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Speaker 1: They take care of the they take care of the

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Speaker 1: banks and not everyone else. Yeah, it's look, Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: changed the city and change the team, and I gotta

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Speaker 1: imagine the buzz is high just because it's gonna be

926
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Speaker 1: right now. For every Joe Burrow you're there's still the

927
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Speaker 1: third most likely team if you look in the desert,

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Speaker 1: to make the super Bowl out of the AFC feels

929
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Speaker 1: feels right. It's it's gonna be tough, but it feels

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Speaker 1: about right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's a Look, it's pretty wide open

932
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Speaker 6: this year. You look at seven or eight teams that

933
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Speaker 6: I think could be there at the end, i'd have

934
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Speaker 6: to go down the lift, which we don't have time for,

935
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Speaker 6: but we have. You know, there's gonna be seven or

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Speaker 6: eight teams in the mix. I think again, the AFC

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Speaker 6: deep a lot. You know, for years it was just

938
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Speaker 6: top heavy, and then I think the Bengal showed a

939
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Speaker 6: few years back that you know, if you just play

940
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Speaker 6: smart football, good defense, and make big plays when you

941
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Speaker 6: need to, you can get there. And that's what they

942
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Speaker 6: did in the in the playoffs that year, made kicks,

943
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Speaker 6: made enough defensive plays and just enough offensive plays that

944
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Speaker 6: year to get there, and there were a couple of

945
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Speaker 6: Let's be honest, there were a couple of plays away

946
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Speaker 6: from winning that Super Bowl. So the margins are thin

947
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Speaker 6: in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: We know that.

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Speaker 6: Let's see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they I think they have a good shot.

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Speaker 1: I also wanted to bring you on just you know,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Nick, Like we talked a few weeks

953
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Speaker 1: back when all this was happening with around the NFL,

954
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Speaker 1: and and I told you about, you know, my family

955
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Speaker 1: situation and everything, and you you were a great person

956
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: to talk to when it was a difficult time because

957
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: in very whistling fashion, you were just like, well, I

958
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: guess nothing, nothing lasts forever, you know that, Like it

959
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: was great and sometimes this is life, but you got

960
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: to make decisions. And I always just yeah, I appreciate you.

961
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Speaker 1: And I know how much this podcast means to to

962
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Speaker 1: to you and obviously to me and Mark and Dan

963
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: and Chris and and just wanting to hold on to that.

964
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Speaker 1: But you also are like that that's life and and

965
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Speaker 1: you can't. Sometimes things are out of your control.

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Speaker 4: A little bit.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think it was a special thing

968
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Speaker 6: you pore created, you know, Jordan hit on it a

969
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Speaker 6: little bit the other day, and you know, May made

970
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Speaker 6: me teer up a little bit that day thinking about

971
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Speaker 6: what Chris meant to her. And I've had other people

972
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Speaker 6: reach out over the years on social saying some similar things. Yeah,

973
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Speaker 6: and it's it's very sad to see it go. And

974
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Speaker 6: I think it was Mark on some podcasts I listened

975
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Speaker 6: to outside of the around the NFL that would talk about,

976
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Speaker 6: you know, we know this isn't going as forever. At

977
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Speaker 6: some point we are gonna, you know, it's gonna come

978
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Speaker 6: to an end. Obviously, I wish you guys had a

979
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Speaker 6: few more years running. But I'm excited to see what

980
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Speaker 6: what what Mark and Dan have exciting. You're also a

981
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Speaker 6: good start. You've had some good guests. I think probably

982
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Speaker 6: number one on this list that's talking right now. Oh yeah,

983
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Speaker 6: we'll see how. Yeah, we'll see how. And obviously I'd

984
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Speaker 6: love to contribute to whatever you're doing in the future.

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Speaker 1: I love it that the unbridled confidence is why look, hey,

986
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Speaker 1: the reality is when it came time for Best Man,

987
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Speaker 1: there's Nick Westling, and I think it was just because

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Speaker 1: for people that don't know, not only did do you

989
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: look the most like Chris, you know, you're very different

990
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Speaker 1: from him because he used to love you. You created

991
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Speaker 1: your own It was like you created your own alternate universe, Nick,

992
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Speaker 1: that that you live in and it's a it's a

993
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Speaker 1: beautiful world. And I just like to be part of

994
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Speaker 1: this alternate universe. I know, uh, your brothers probably have

995
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Speaker 1: mixed emotions about being part of it, even even your

996
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Speaker 1: wife maybe something, but I know Keisha loves it and

997
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Speaker 1: it is really cool. You guys went to the Reds

998
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Speaker 1: game recently with Keisha and Lincoln in all six remaining brothers.

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Speaker 1: So that, man, when I saw that picture reminded me

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Speaker 1: of the super Bowl picture. Of course, your brother Mikey

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Speaker 1: wasn't there. Eddie wasn't at the super Bowl. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe either, and so is all the brothers.

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Speaker 6: And Eddie made it.

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Speaker 1: Oh he did, That's right, Yeah, he made it there

1005
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Speaker 1: and it was all the brothers and Lincoln and Keisha

1006
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Speaker 1: and so man, I just know at a Reds game,

1007
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Speaker 1: man that I know you must have felt Chris real

1008
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Speaker 1: strong that day. And it's awesome that that she's she's

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Speaker 1: coming to visit you and that you guys come together

1010
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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely. Yeah, She's got a home any anytime she wants

1012
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Speaker 6: right here in Cincinnati. But she's doing great. She's killing

1013
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Speaker 6: it with her with her job and what she's doing

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Speaker 6: with some of the media and editing. So I'm happy

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Speaker 6: for her. I'm you know, obviously it was great to

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Speaker 6: see her and Lincoln. Lincoln's getting big, big, fast, and

1017
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Speaker 6: he's a little athlete. I can't wait till you're talking

1018
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Speaker 6: about him post game on Sundays, you know, fifteen or

1019
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Speaker 6: twenty years from now, that'll be pretty awesome. More may

1020
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Speaker 6: or maybe he'll be uh wearing the badge here right here,

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Speaker 6: Okayni one day. He's a little soccer player, so he's

1022
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Speaker 6: let's let's hope he's he can keep keep keep that

1023
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Speaker 6: little athlete in him, and we'll see what happens down

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Speaker 6: the road.

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Speaker 1: Built like a soccer player like you, like like like

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Speaker 1: like Wes who who was great and uh yeah, when

1027
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Speaker 1: I saw him doing some some baseball drills, that just

1028
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Speaker 1: that that hard is beautiful. It's hard hard to put

1029
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Speaker 1: into one word all those feelings because it's bittersweet, but

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Speaker 1: it's uh, it's amazing as well. Not bittersweet though, to

1031
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Speaker 1: talk to you, I I love the unbridled confidence, not

1032
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Speaker 1: just in your soccer team, and your great looks, but

1033
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Speaker 1: also in your ability as an analyst. So we're gonna

1034
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Speaker 1: try to tap into that more throughout the course of

1035
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Speaker 1: the season, Nick, but it was great to have you

1036
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Speaker 1: on and uh yeah, that's it for this show. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank Patrick Claybond for helping me out drafting

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Speaker 1: all the uh the clones, the large scale conflict between

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Speaker 1: replicated individuals, and thank you again.

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Speaker 2: Nick.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely heed the call, Greg.

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Speaker 2: Heed the call for sure to Wednesday. See you next time.

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Speaker 2: M