Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to a movie crush Charles W.
Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant here in our home studio at Pont City Market, Atlanta, Georgia,
Speaker 1: along with the sunny and bright and well coft Noel.
Speaker 1: Thank you for commenting on my quaffery, Chuck, I appreciate
Speaker 1: that I've been working on it. Well. No One and
Speaker 1: I both have these uh big dumb beards, like all
Speaker 1: all guys have. I can't wait for the day we
Speaker 1: look back at pictures and everyone goes, what what the
Speaker 1: funk were we all doing? Well? Apparently beards are out, Chuck,
Speaker 1: But I've never worn my beard for fashion. It is
Speaker 1: just strictly to hide my double chance. Oh yes, I
Speaker 1: have quite a few chins under here as well, and
Speaker 1: it does a great job. But not only staid, big
Speaker 1: shaggy here too. But in uh, you gotta cut what
Speaker 1: six months ago? So I got a promotion at work, Chuck,
Speaker 1: and I had to I had to have the dude
Speaker 1: had to match the Yeah, they say, dressed for the
Speaker 1: job you want, in this case, it's cut your hair
Speaker 1: for the job you got exactly sort of reverse and
Speaker 1: Alex just cut his hair looks very nice. He did
Speaker 1: he's getting married soon. That might be wine. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that was his his lovely bride to be at the
Speaker 1: Christmas party. Yes, she's delightful you No, that was someone else.
Speaker 1: Alex is another guy we work with, a producer who
Speaker 1: did the music for my other podcast, Ridiculous History, which
Speaker 1: we get comments on all the time. He's another um
Speaker 1: jack of all trades, how stuff works, super producer. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: he's great. Interesting is great. We have such an amazing
Speaker 1: teen Did all these guys come through you? Man? You
Speaker 1: can find him very lucky, very lucky to be able
Speaker 1: to give amazing people an amazing opportunity here. Well, and
Speaker 1: it's cool because all of these editors and engineers, like
Speaker 1: you said, jack of all trades, it's like they're all
Speaker 1: musicians and and I assume him originally probably a video
Speaker 1: and film editors. Yeah, it's great. And Alex, by the way,
Speaker 1: is one of the lead hands on Atlanta Monster, which
Speaker 1: is our partnership with Tenderfoot TV and true crime show
Speaker 1: about the Atlanta child murders that has blown up the
Speaker 1: podcasting world's true setting the charts on fire. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: a fan. Actually, I've been listening every week because I
Speaker 1: grew up during the Atlanta child murders, and even as
Speaker 1: a white suburban kid in Atlanta, it was scary at
Speaker 1: the time. You talked about that a good bit with
Speaker 1: your buddy Dave Willis, who also grew up in the area,
Speaker 1: about how that sort of was a specter hanging over,
Speaker 1: like parents didn't want you to go to the mall
Speaker 1: by yourself. Yeah, that's a real thing. So welcome every one.
Speaker 1: As you know, follow us on facebooks, you can interact
Speaker 1: with the show where we post questions and we call emails,
Speaker 1: and we have a few segments that we're gonna do
Speaker 1: today and number one we'll go ahead and get right
Speaker 1: into it called Grip This it's a new one. I
Speaker 1: like it. So the idea here is that occasionally I
Speaker 1: will explain something about the film industry and these weird
Speaker 1: uh names and title job titles that you see on
Speaker 1: the movie screen in front of you. Because I take
Speaker 1: it for granted because I worked in the film industry
Speaker 1: that everyone knows what a dolly grip is and what
Speaker 1: a fully artist is uh and what a gaffer is.
Speaker 1: But um, a lot of people don't know this stuff.
Speaker 1: And we get emails from time to time saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys, you and Josh on stuff you should know,
Speaker 1: should do a podcast just explaining what these jobs are
Speaker 1: in film crews. So I'm gonna do that here. Uh,
Speaker 1: in this segment of Grip This, I'm going to talk about, uh,
Speaker 1: the job of producer. And this is a this is
Speaker 1: a weird, weird job in the movie industry because a
Speaker 1: producer can be everything from uh, strictly the financier of
Speaker 1: your project, all the way down to and in that
Speaker 1: case would be an acutive producer, almost assuredly, all the
Speaker 1: way down to an associate producer who it might just
Speaker 1: be someone who did you a favor that allowed you
Speaker 1: to shoot one scene for a movie, and so in
Speaker 1: lieu of money, they might say, all right, we'll give
Speaker 1: you an associate producer credit. And sometimes that works, believe
Speaker 1: it or not. So we're gonna go through a few
Speaker 1: of these various titles. Executive producer obviously is at the top.
Speaker 1: And like I said, um, they could be the financier
Speaker 1: of the movie. They can be, um, the the head
Speaker 1: of the studio that you are working with, um, like
Speaker 1: a Steven Spielberg, let's say. And as an executive producer
Speaker 1: in that case it can. It can run the gamut
Speaker 1: from someone who just says, I allow you to go
Speaker 1: make this movie with our studio. Um too. Maybe they
Speaker 1: will even oversee parts of it and weigh in creatively
Speaker 1: at times, or help make connections two actors or or writers,
Speaker 1: or pull the crew together as a director and maybe
Speaker 1: package it it. Really, there is no set script for
Speaker 1: what an executive producer might do. That could be super
Speaker 1: involved or not very involved. And you see stars and
Speaker 1: TV shows get elevated to executive producer as they learned more.
Speaker 1: Cache absolutely, like of the Office, a lot of main
Speaker 1: players at later seasons you see them with executive producer credits.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a that's a true U H up the
Speaker 1: ladder type of thing. And actually, when Josh and I
Speaker 1: did our silly little TV show for Science Channel, one
Speaker 1: of the things that we negotiated was producer credit. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't even know why, just a little feather in
Speaker 1: the cap. Although we did do the job of producer.
Speaker 1: I mean we were involved soup the nuts in that show.
Speaker 1: Uh So executive producer again, uh might represent the studio.
Speaker 1: They might keep watch over it, or maybe it's just
Speaker 1: symbolic to give the movie visibility. UM. For instance, George
Speaker 1: Clooney was an executive producer of the great great movie
Speaker 1: Far from Heaven. UM, but he didn't he wasn't really
Speaker 1: on the set um making decisions, but he did has
Speaker 1: something to do with it early on. So sometimes I
Speaker 1: will just give a little cash at associate producer, Like
Speaker 1: I said, well, let's go just with the regular producer title.
Speaker 1: This can be a lot of things because you can
Speaker 1: see a lot of producers listed on a movie. But
Speaker 1: when I think of producer with just that title, I
Speaker 1: think of the main person who was working on this
Speaker 1: movie from beginning to end, hand in hand with the director,
Speaker 1: um packaging the movie, working with the crew, were casting,
Speaker 1: helping with casting, really just sort of the partner of
Speaker 1: the director going into battle together to get this movie made. UM.
Speaker 1: Since we're on Far from Heaven. The great Christine Vashon
Speaker 1: was a producer of that, and she's one of the
Speaker 1: all time great producers. Has a stellar sellar list of
Speaker 1: credits to her name. And Christine Vashon is of feet
Speaker 1: to the ground, get down to it, nitty gritty producer
Speaker 1: involved in reaspect of the making of the movie from
Speaker 1: the very beginning to the very end UM. But producer
Speaker 1: can also mean you're just you know, sort of involved
Speaker 1: or maybe one of the actors assistant producer. They basically
Speaker 1: work on things that the producers tell you to do.
Speaker 1: So it's just sort of a h almost like a
Speaker 1: co producer. But then there's also a credit of co
Speaker 1: producer and they share responsibilities responsibilities generally as a group
Speaker 1: and as a team of producers. UM. Maybe take on
Speaker 1: some creative responsibilities. Another co producer might handle more of
Speaker 1: the business um. But then you also have the line producer,
Speaker 1: and the line producer generally is handling the budgetary things, uh,
Speaker 1: the physical aspects of the movie production. UM, not as
Speaker 1: involved creatively, but they're really their day to day UM,
Speaker 1: making sure that everything is all departments have what they
Speaker 1: need uh and and have the money they need or
Speaker 1: in some cases they don't have the money and they
Speaker 1: have to figure out how to do it anyway. So
Speaker 1: that's the line producer. UM. The associate producer, like I said,
Speaker 1: can be they can be involved UM or it can
Speaker 1: be like I said, like a title that you just
Speaker 1: throw out to someone who did you a little favor. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's like a courtesy title. Sometimes as a backer of
Speaker 1: the film. Uh. They may not play a major role
Speaker 1: at all, but sometimes they have worked on the movie.
Speaker 1: It's a very um nebulous sort of gray area for
Speaker 1: a lot of these titles. I think you're starting to
Speaker 1: get that picture. Um. Supervising producer. They can oversee some
Speaker 1: of the other producers as they perform some of their duties. Uh.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they may take the place of an executive producer
Speaker 1: or work for the executive producer. Uh. And then you
Speaker 1: have finally the coordinating producer, and they coordinate the work
Speaker 1: of several producers. Is it's starting to get that thing
Speaker 1: where you say the producer where so many times starts
Speaker 1: to sound funny. Producer overload, recording producers are They're very
Speaker 1: valuable if a studio is producing related films. And the
Speaker 1: example here on how stuff works is the movie Spider Man.
Speaker 1: When you have um two related films being produced at
Speaker 1: the same time, um, like the Pirates of the Caribbean
Speaker 1: or the Spider Man movies, or like when they did
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings altogether. Sometimes a coordinating producer might
Speaker 1: make sure all the various heads are talking to one
Speaker 1: another well, especially if there's like Marvel Cinematic Universe types
Speaker 1: where there has to be continuity from one movie to
Speaker 1: the next, and they have to know what the other
Speaker 1: crew is doing in order for the one crew to
Speaker 1: do it right. You know, absolutely, So that is grip
Speaker 1: this for this week and what's the best boy, Chuck? Oh, well,
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. So hopefully that cleared things up,
Speaker 1: but I have a feeling I've just really confused everyone
Speaker 1: further on what a producer is. I once met this guy,
Speaker 1: Dean Zanek, who is the son of famed producer Richard Zanek,
Speaker 1: who also related to Darryl Zannek. Yeah, and Dean was
Speaker 1: producing this movie Get Low With that had Bill Murray
Speaker 1: and it Yeah, I remember that movie. It was good.
Speaker 1: But they shot it near my hometown of Adusta, Georgia,
Speaker 1: and I did a piece on it for a public
Speaker 1: radio and I got to go to the set. They
Speaker 1: shot it in a town called Crawfordville, and I kind
Speaker 1: of asked Dean what a producer was or how do
Speaker 1: you become a producer And there was no real clear answer.
Speaker 1: That's an adorable question from you at that age two, Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly what he was sort of like, you know, the
Speaker 1: ultimate answer was you you're the son of Richard's you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a getting into the job of producer is
Speaker 1: kind of weird. And like Emily, my wife was a producer,
Speaker 1: she'd produced music videos. And in that case, the path
Speaker 1: to producer is you usually start work as a p
Speaker 1: A and then you move up to maybe production coordinator,
Speaker 1: and then you move up to production manager or maybe
Speaker 1: u PM unit production manager, and eventually you can get
Speaker 1: work as a producer, and then the line producer is
Speaker 1: sort of attainable too. Isn't that a little bit more
Speaker 1: functional job that aolutely That's like you're you're handling the
Speaker 1: money in the budget and uh uh. And those you know,
Speaker 1: like Emily as a producer unfortunately wasn't super involved creatively.
Speaker 1: They are the people responsible for pulling off that job.
Speaker 1: And then the case of music videos, that is a tough,
Speaker 1: tough job, or at least was back then. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if they still make music videos. They just
Speaker 1: all make them with their phones. Now, okay, good, all right,
Speaker 1: Segment two, we're gonna move on to another edition of
Speaker 1: the Highlight Reel. This week, I'm going to highlight the wonderful,
Speaker 1: the amazing, the lovely, and amazing hint hint, Nicole Holofsiner
Speaker 1: in her first three films. Specifically, Nicole Holofsener is one
Speaker 1: of my filmmaking heroes. She as from New York City
Speaker 1: and began her career as a writer and director in
Speaker 1: with the independent film Walking and Talking with a very
Speaker 1: young Katherine Keener and Leev Schreiber and Hesh todd Field
Speaker 1: and Kevin Corrigan. And it was in that I know,
Speaker 1: I talked about it all the time, but that wonderful
Speaker 1: mid nineties period where independent film um was burgeoning and
Speaker 1: really kind of put itself on the map. And there
Speaker 1: were so many great, great movies made then, and Walking
Speaker 1: and Talking is certainly one of them. The story of
Speaker 1: these two best friends, Katherine Keener and Hesh or Hess.
Speaker 1: I think it's I haven't seen her in a while.
Speaker 1: She's good or she can be, Yeah, it does. It
Speaker 1: seems like she kind of disappeared. Yeah, let's let's go
Speaker 1: find a Haitian put her on the show. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that I'll do it. That'll put her right back on
Speaker 1: the star map. Wasn't she married to Ellen for a
Speaker 1: while or weren't they like an item? Yeah? Absolute? Um,
Speaker 1: So they played good friends and Liev Schreiber is the
Speaker 1: is the friend of Katherine Keener and just sort of
Speaker 1: their life in New York as twenty somethings and uh,
Speaker 1: failed love affairs and romances. It's just a really really
Speaker 1: great movie. Uh five years later. It took five years,
Speaker 1: I imagine because Nicole Holofstener is a woman in Hollywood
Speaker 1: in the mid nineties and there just was not and
Speaker 1: still is not enough opportunity for female writers and directors.
Speaker 1: So it took her five years after The Great Walking
Speaker 1: and Talking to make Lovely and Amazing, which is a
Speaker 1: wonderful film with again Katherine Keener. As you will see,
Speaker 1: she has become a staple in her movies, the Great
Speaker 1: Brenda Blevin, uh, Emily Mortimer and uh the first movie
Speaker 1: from a young woman or a young girl at the time,
Speaker 1: I guess, Raven Goodwin. And it's the story of a
Speaker 1: mom and two daughters and a granddaughter and their life
Speaker 1: together and it's just again so sweet and so real,
Speaker 1: and which is sort of a pattern you will see
Speaker 1: in Nicole Holofsener's work. She just is able to tap
Speaker 1: into these real human emotions and get these great performances
Speaker 1: out of all her actors, and then finally movie number three,
Speaker 1: Friends with Money, Jennifer Anniston, And it's when Jennifer Aniston
Speaker 1: left Friends and took the or when Friends ended, and
Speaker 1: she took that turn in her career where she wanted
Speaker 1: to do some um, smaller movies, some more independent films
Speaker 1: and did really good, some really good quality movies during
Speaker 1: that period, and Friends with Money was certainly one of them.
Speaker 1: And it is the story of four sisters, Jennifer Andison,
Speaker 1: Joan Kuzack, uh the wonderfully amazing, Frances McDormand, and again
Speaker 1: Katherine Keener, one of my favorite actors. And there are
Speaker 1: four sisters and it's about again just their interpersonal relationships
Speaker 1: and um, some are married, some are not, some are
Speaker 1: um looking for love like Jennifer Anderson's character and uh money.
Speaker 1: It's called Friends with Money because that is a theme
Speaker 1: of the movie. They're sort of an undercurrent of of
Speaker 1: and you don't see this in movies, which is what
Speaker 1: made this surreal is and it's a real thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: if some people have more money than others in a
Speaker 1: friend group, it can get weird and and that's the
Speaker 1: case here. And it's just sort of a real life
Speaker 1: thing that you never see in movies. And in this case,
Speaker 1: Frances McDorman is has made a lot of money as
Speaker 1: a as a fashion designer, um, whereas Jennifer Anniston is
Speaker 1: and I think Katherine Keyner's character and her husband are
Speaker 1: also very well off in Los Angeles, and Jennifer Aniston
Speaker 1: is has not much money and she's cleaning houses to
Speaker 1: get by, and as the sister, you know, they try
Speaker 1: to do everything they can to help her out. But
Speaker 1: it's just a really interesting look at what money means
Speaker 1: when it comes to relationships with one another. But it's
Speaker 1: done in a very real way. It's not like they
Speaker 1: don't you know, she doesn't beat you over the head
Speaker 1: with with finance. That makes sense. I thought Bride'smaids did
Speaker 1: an interesting job of that as well. And their friends, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's the deal, you know. That's the thing like
Speaker 1: if if a group of friends, if someone breaks out
Speaker 1: and has a lot of dough all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it can make things really weird and uncomfortable. There can
Speaker 1: be jealousies involved for sure, And in this movie, uh,
Speaker 1: the ones with the money are very generous, but then
Speaker 1: Jennifer Ranson also doesn't want to take them up on
Speaker 1: that generosity, whereas the people with the dough or you're
Speaker 1: kind of like, hey, it doesn't matter to me. But
Speaker 1: to be in that position where money doesn't matter is
Speaker 1: very unique and uncomfortable when your sister or brother or
Speaker 1: friend does not have the money. So it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Uh it's called friends with Money. And also just a
Speaker 1: quick shout out to the movies that followed are also great.
Speaker 1: One called Please Give Again with Katherine Keener and the
Speaker 1: great great Oliver Platt and Amanda Pete. And then she
Speaker 1: did the last movie with James Gandolfini before he passed away,
Speaker 1: called Enough Said with Julia Louis Dreyfuss. She has some
Speaker 1: great TV credits to like six ft Under few episodes,
Speaker 1: and I want to say she did some parks in
Speaker 1: Wreck and Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt and Enlightened, which I think
Speaker 1: is a little bit of an underappreciated show with um
Speaker 1: oh dude, Laura Dern that was one of my favorite
Speaker 1: favorite shows. In fact, you know I'm gonna save that
Speaker 1: one for the highlight reel. The Lightened was so great
Speaker 1: a uh and also um, she directed nicolehol Offsener directed
Speaker 1: the pilot for one Mississippi, the great, great show that
Speaker 1: I'm about to talk about right now on stream this
Speaker 1: all right, as we finish up with stream this and
Speaker 1: comment card UH as I mentioned one Mississippi season two
Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna highlight this week. The wonderful Tignataro,
Speaker 1: who was UH an episode two of Movie Crush, And
Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to that one, the numbers are
Speaker 1: a little lower for that one because it was very
Speaker 1: early on UM. But if you haven't, go back and
Speaker 1: listen to the Tignataro episode, because the setup for that
Speaker 1: very quickly is. She came in here and right before
Speaker 1: we recorded UH and hit record, she got the call
Speaker 1: that she was cancer free, the call that she had
Speaker 1: been waiting on from her doctor. And as any fan
Speaker 1: of tig Nos, she's um been through the ringer with
Speaker 1: her health and her life and she has a bear
Speaker 1: all up on stage quite literally actually, and UM it's
Speaker 1: been very up front about her battle with cancer and
Speaker 1: her struggle. So I come into record, she's literally crying
Speaker 1: in the studio and no one knows what's going on.
Speaker 1: And as it turns out, that was the there were
Speaker 1: tears of joy because she had gotten the cancer free
Speaker 1: call and we launched right into recording about the movie Mask.
Speaker 1: So it's a show I'm super proud of. So if
Speaker 1: you haven't listened to that, go back. But a tig show.
Speaker 1: One Mississippi is just great. Um. It's a story of
Speaker 1: her going back to her hometown in Mississippi after her
Speaker 1: mother has passed again. Autobiographical and um. Season two really
Speaker 1: makes great strides with her relationship with a local woman
Speaker 1: there working at the radio station who is her real
Speaker 1: life wife, Stephanie, And they are just obviously chemistry um
Speaker 1: off screen, so they have it on screen as well.
Speaker 1: And Stephanie's just adorably wonderful on that show. And I
Speaker 1: just saw her in a super Bowl commercial too, which
Speaker 1: is kind of funny. I was like, wait, there's Stephanie.
Speaker 1: Good for her making some big dough uh. And she
Speaker 1: you know, continues to von with her brother character on
Speaker 1: the show and come to terms with her mother's widowed husband,
Speaker 1: which is a problematic and strange relationship. So One Mississippi
Speaker 1: Season two just continued to build on the great foundation
Speaker 1: they late in season one. And if you haven't seen
Speaker 1: it on Amazon, you can stream it now. And very sadly,
Speaker 1: I just found out that it was not renewed. So
Speaker 1: that's all we're gonna get of one Mississippi man, which
Speaker 1: really bumps me out. I think it's the Louis backlash. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think, um, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it just didn't get renewed. Smallish audience from what
Speaker 1: Tig said, very loyal audience, though she has very loyal fans,
Speaker 1: myself included. And here's kind of a cool thing, dude,
Speaker 1: I was. I saw her post on Facebook that she
Speaker 1: there's a club in l A called Largo. Do you
Speaker 1: know Largo? Of course, and Josh and I performed at Largo.
Speaker 1: It's right there in Hollywood and it's known for just
Speaker 1: some of the best comedy shows and they curate just
Speaker 1: some of the best shows in town and Largo. She
Speaker 1: had a picture of her sitting on the couch there backstage,
Speaker 1: and she said, when my mother passed away, I had
Speaker 1: all of her furniture and stuff, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: what to do with this couch. I had no room
Speaker 1: for it. So I called I can't remember the owner
Speaker 1: and proprietor of Largo, but she said I called him
Speaker 1: up and he said, hey, you can keep it here.
Speaker 1: So she had her picture taken on that couch, which
Speaker 1: was her dearly departed mother's couch, and I saw that
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I have sat on that
Speaker 1: couch and had no idea that it was tiggs mom's couch.
Speaker 1: So it was just very cool. Uh. If you love
Speaker 1: tig and you you then you definitely love her story
Speaker 1: of her and her mother's relationship. So it was just
Speaker 1: kind of kind of neat for me to be like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you've been on tiggs mom's couch. Largo
Speaker 1: was the spot where she recorded all those specials. I
Speaker 1: think early on that became the big the stuff that
Speaker 1: she was known for on This American Life and all
Speaker 1: that story. Yeah, Largo, I've never been. I really like to.
Speaker 1: It's cool. Well you got a l a lot now,
Speaker 1: so yeah, John Bryan, you know John Bryan, the film composer.
Speaker 1: He does like a monthly gime there. I've always heard that.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I'd really like to go see him do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He um did a lot of Pete Anderson music and
Speaker 1: produced the Good Fion Apple Records, and he's in that crowd.
Speaker 1: The Largo crowd is what I call it. And this
Speaker 1: is the the well, it's not new now, but this
Speaker 1: is the second location for Largo. When I lived in
Speaker 1: l A. It was a even smaller venue in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: uh where I saw Rufus Waynewright play very early on.
Speaker 1: It was almost like a piano bar. It was very cool.
Speaker 1: It was one of the first dates I went on
Speaker 1: with Emily. They call it Largo at the Coronet Now,
Speaker 1: I think is that the differentiation there? Yeah, because it's
Speaker 1: the old Cornet Theater, one of the old great Hollywood theaters.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah. One Mississippi season two streaming on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Support tig Nataro and all her efforts because she is
Speaker 1: the best. And finally we'll finish up with comic card
Speaker 1: who got a couple of emails here and I call
Speaker 1: from Facebook is from Vanessa Lopez. Hi, Chuckers and Nol Nol.
Speaker 1: You're officially a cast member, so cool man, Isn't that great?
Speaker 1: I've listened to stuff you should know for years and
Speaker 1: I'm loving movie Crush. It's fun hearing the conversations about
Speaker 1: how much these movies mean to each of your guests.
Speaker 1: People always say the book is better than the movie.
Speaker 1: Is there a movie that comes to mind that you
Speaker 1: think was actually better than the book. For me, it's misery.
Speaker 1: Not even Stephen King could write a character creepier than
Speaker 1: Kathy Bates played good one. What is a good one?
Speaker 1: So this one was hard for me because I haven't
Speaker 1: read a ton of books that later became adapted into films. Uh.
Speaker 1: But of the ones I have read, I can't say
Speaker 1: that they were better, but I will say they were
Speaker 1: as good as I could have hoped. Uh, mainly because
Speaker 1: I read good books. Um, I went to look out
Speaker 1: online just to see get some inspiration, and typically, like
Speaker 1: the list is like The Godfather and Jaws and these
Speaker 1: things that were kind of popcorn summer books that were
Speaker 1: made into really great movies. But I read really good
Speaker 1: books to begin with. So it's kind of hard to say, well,
Speaker 1: No Country for Old Men, because that was a great,
Speaker 1: great book and a great, great movie. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: it's all about the way it handles the source material.
Speaker 1: And sometimes if it like can paint this picture visually
Speaker 1: that is so arresting, then it's almost like you can
Speaker 1: say this medium told the story better. And yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean if they if they managed to bring it
Speaker 1: to life in a way and cast it. Casting is
Speaker 1: so important because when you read a book, or at
Speaker 1: least I do, I almost always cast it in my
Speaker 1: brain from like Hollywood, you know actors. I usually don't
Speaker 1: read a book and just think of just some random,
Speaker 1: you know face. I think in some ways the Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones TV show is better than the books because
Speaker 1: the books get mired down and a lot of these
Speaker 1: real flowery, overly long descriptions of the tables of food
Speaker 1: and stuff, where in the book it's like you can
Speaker 1: describe a banquet table in five pages. In the movie
Speaker 1: or in the TV show, you you just see the
Speaker 1: camera pans over it and you're done with the food.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's always really interesting for me to
Speaker 1: see that happen, like the thing in the book that
Speaker 1: is so uh well described that could just be a
Speaker 1: shot or not even in the movie at all. Uh
Speaker 1: So for me as a tie, I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: No Country for Old Men. I'm gonna go with The
Speaker 1: Virgin Suicides, the great book and movie, the book from
Speaker 1: Jeffrey U genitys in the movie from Sofia Coppola. Um great,
Speaker 1: great adaptation. Uh there's a book in a movie called
Speaker 1: Jesus Son with Billy Crude up a little independent film.
Speaker 1: Um really really great book of almost a little independent
Speaker 1: short stories, and the director Alison McClean managed to um
Speaker 1: tie and weave these stories together in a in a
Speaker 1: great way in the movie that it was one of
Speaker 1: those when you read the book, I thought it would
Speaker 1: be pretty challenging. Uh. In Jesus Son from really really
Speaker 1: good movie. And also, I mean, one of the great casts.
Speaker 1: I don't know how, oh she got such a cast
Speaker 1: for an independent movie, but it has not only Billy
Speaker 1: Crude up, Samantha Morton, Holly Hunter, Dennis Hopper, Dennis Leary, Um,
Speaker 1: Michael Shannon, a young Michael Shannon before anyone knew him.
Speaker 1: Jack Black is in the movie. It's just got the
Speaker 1: orderly Yeah, well I want to ruin that. No, no, no no,
Speaker 1: that's a movie that's like everybody like it's like equal
Speaker 1: parts heartbreaking and hilarious and like full of joy, and
Speaker 1: it just kind of runs the gamut, but not in
Speaker 1: like a way that's like overly kind of overwrought, you know.
Speaker 1: It's really really good, agreed, wonderful movie. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: To Kill a Mockingbird to Go Back in Time a bit,
Speaker 1: great book, great movie. And then finally American Psycho. Um.
Speaker 1: I read American Psycho in college when it came out,
Speaker 1: and this is a weird one and that I was
Speaker 1: terrified reading this book. And then when the movie came
Speaker 1: out as a dark comedy, I had to completely rethink
Speaker 1: the eyes through which I had read it. Did you
Speaker 1: see your read? I didn't finish that book because it
Speaker 1: was just it was like so horrific and misogynistic, and
Speaker 1: it was just I almost was like, what if someone
Speaker 1: reads this over my shoulder that I'm reading right now,
Speaker 1: They're gonna think I'm like the sickest human being a lot.
Speaker 1: And the movie doesn't have like in the book. It's
Speaker 1: just so graphic that it's just like you can't even imagine.
Speaker 1: And the movie really pairs it down and plays up
Speaker 1: the dark comedy aspect and I love I like that
Speaker 1: movie a lot. I haven't seen it in years. I
Speaker 1: wonder if it holds up. Uh yeah, it's good. I
Speaker 1: mean again, I never thought of it as a dark
Speaker 1: comedy at all, and it's one one that really made
Speaker 1: me go back and rethink everything. Um, but I guess
Speaker 1: it is a dark comedy female director as well. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's about the only way you can make
Speaker 1: that movie, you know, because it is brutally misogynistic and
Speaker 1: awful about a serial killer who praise on when while
Speaker 1: you praise on ment too. But yeah, pretty pretty bad
Speaker 1: stuff and somehow managed to to reak some comedy out
Speaker 1: of it. And that's Mary Heron. Ah, that's Mary Heron,
Speaker 1: who yeah, off off Mike. I thought Mary Heron had
Speaker 1: directed Jesus Son getting all the Ducks in a row. Everyone.
Speaker 1: Uh So that is it for this week. Thanks for
Speaker 1: tuning in. Thanks to Noel as always for the insight.
Speaker 1: This week we have Oh boy, everybody, hold onto your hats.
Speaker 1: I went to New York City and I got into
Speaker 1: a studio with the great Tony Shalub. The Tony Shalub, Well,
Speaker 1: he certainly looked like him. That's exciting. Check. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to hear that one. Yeah, it was Tony Shalub.
Speaker 1: And we talked about the sting. So I know Tony
Speaker 1: through a friend from high school and he hooked this up.
Speaker 1: And Tony was awesome and a big thrill Like he's
Speaker 1: a legit, like I almost want to say legend of
Speaker 1: TV and film. Guy's been around forever and been in
Speaker 1: a million things. I think legend is utterly a fair characterization,
Speaker 1: all right. Uh So, Tony and talked about The Sting,
Speaker 1: which is a great movie, and this is now marks
Speaker 1: the second Newman and Redford directed by George roy Hill
Speaker 1: pick after Butch Casson and The Sundance Kid and Tony
Speaker 1: Club This Sting, and so did I and it was
Speaker 1: a really great interview. So brush up the crush out
Speaker 1: this week, and thanks for joining us right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always a pleasure. All right, We'll see you guys
Speaker 1: next week.