WEBVTT - Mini Crush #6

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everybody, and welcome to a movie crush Charles W.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Bryant here in our home studio at Pont City Market, Atlanta, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>along with the sunny and bright and well coft Noel.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for commenting on my quaffery, Chuck, I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>that I've been working on it. Well. No One and

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<v Speaker 1>I both have these uh big dumb beards, like all

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<v Speaker 1>all guys have. I can't wait for the day we

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<v Speaker 1>look back at pictures and everyone goes, what what the

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<v Speaker 1>funk were we all doing? Well? Apparently beards are out, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>But I've never worn my beard for fashion. It is

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<v Speaker 1>just strictly to hide my double chance. Oh yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>have quite a few chins under here as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>it does a great job. But not only staid, big

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<v Speaker 1>shaggy here too. But in uh, you gotta cut what

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<v Speaker 1>six months ago? So I got a promotion at work, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had to I had to have the dude

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<v Speaker 1>had to match the Yeah, they say, dressed for the

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<v Speaker 1>job you want, in this case, it's cut your hair

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<v Speaker 1>for the job you got exactly sort of reverse and

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<v Speaker 1>Alex just cut his hair looks very nice. He did

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting married soon. That might be wine. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>that was his his lovely bride to be at the

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas party. Yes, she's delightful you No, that was someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex is another guy we work with, a producer who

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<v Speaker 1>did the music for my other podcast, Ridiculous History, which

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<v Speaker 1>we get comments on all the time. He's another um

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<v Speaker 1>jack of all trades, how stuff works, super producer. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>he's great. Interesting is great. We have such an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>teen Did all these guys come through you? Man? You

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<v Speaker 1>can find him very lucky, very lucky to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to give amazing people an amazing opportunity here. Well, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's cool because all of these editors and engineers, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, jack of all trades, it's like they're all

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<v Speaker 1>musicians and and I assume him originally probably a video

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<v Speaker 1>and film editors. Yeah, it's great. And Alex, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the lead hands on Atlanta Monster, which

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<v Speaker 1>is our partnership with Tenderfoot TV and true crime show

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<v Speaker 1>about the Atlanta child murders that has blown up the

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<v Speaker 1>podcasting world's true setting the charts on fire. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a fan. Actually, I've been listening every week because I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up during the Atlanta child murders, and even as

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<v Speaker 1>a white suburban kid in Atlanta, it was scary at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. You talked about that a good bit with

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<v Speaker 1>your buddy Dave Willis, who also grew up in the area,

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<v Speaker 1>about how that sort of was a specter hanging over,

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<v Speaker 1>like parents didn't want you to go to the mall

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<v Speaker 1>by yourself. Yeah, that's a real thing. So welcome every one.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, follow us on facebooks, you can interact

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<v Speaker 1>with the show where we post questions and we call emails,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have a few segments that we're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>today and number one we'll go ahead and get right

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<v Speaker 1>into it called Grip This it's a new one. I

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<v Speaker 1>like it. So the idea here is that occasionally I

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<v Speaker 1>will explain something about the film industry and these weird

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<v Speaker 1>uh names and title job titles that you see on

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<v Speaker 1>the movie screen in front of you. Because I take

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<v Speaker 1>it for granted because I worked in the film industry

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone knows what a dolly grip is and what

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<v Speaker 1>a fully artist is uh and what a gaffer is.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, a lot of people don't know this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And we get emails from time to time saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, you and Josh on stuff you should know,

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<v Speaker 1>should do a podcast just explaining what these jobs are

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<v Speaker 1>in film crews. So I'm gonna do that here. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>in this segment of Grip This, I'm going to talk about, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the job of producer. And this is a this is

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<v Speaker 1>a weird, weird job in the movie industry because a

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<v Speaker 1>producer can be everything from uh, strictly the financier of

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<v Speaker 1>your project, all the way down to and in that

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<v Speaker 1>case would be an acutive producer, almost assuredly, all the

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<v Speaker 1>way down to an associate producer who it might just

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<v Speaker 1>be someone who did you a favor that allowed you

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<v Speaker 1>to shoot one scene for a movie, and so in

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<v Speaker 1>lieu of money, they might say, all right, we'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you an associate producer credit. And sometimes that works, believe

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<v Speaker 1>it or not. So we're gonna go through a few

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<v Speaker 1>of these various titles. Executive producer obviously is at the top.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I said, um, they could be the financier

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie. They can be, um, the the head

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<v Speaker 1>of the studio that you are working with, um, like

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<v Speaker 1>a Steven Spielberg, let's say. And as an executive producer

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<v Speaker 1>in that case it can. It can run the gamut

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<v Speaker 1>from someone who just says, I allow you to go

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<v Speaker 1>make this movie with our studio. Um too. Maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>will even oversee parts of it and weigh in creatively

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<v Speaker 1>at times, or help make connections two actors or or writers,

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<v Speaker 1>or pull the crew together as a director and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>package it it. Really, there is no set script for

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<v Speaker 1>what an executive producer might do. That could be super

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<v Speaker 1>involved or not very involved. And you see stars and

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<v Speaker 1>TV shows get elevated to executive producer as they learned more.

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<v Speaker 1>Cache absolutely, like of the Office, a lot of main

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<v Speaker 1>players at later seasons you see them with executive producer credits.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's a that's a true U H up the

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<v Speaker 1>ladder type of thing. And actually, when Josh and I

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<v Speaker 1>did our silly little TV show for Science Channel, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that we negotiated was producer credit. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know why, just a little feather in

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<v Speaker 1>the cap. Although we did do the job of producer.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we were involved soup the nuts in that show.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So executive producer again, uh might represent the studio.

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<v Speaker 1>They might keep watch over it, or maybe it's just

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<v Speaker 1>symbolic to give the movie visibility. UM. For instance, George

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<v Speaker 1>Clooney was an executive producer of the great great movie

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<v Speaker 1>Far from Heaven. UM, but he didn't he wasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>on the set um making decisions, but he did has

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<v Speaker 1>something to do with it early on. So sometimes I

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<v Speaker 1>will just give a little cash at associate producer, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, well, let's go just with the regular producer title.

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<v Speaker 1>This can be a lot of things because you can

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of producers listed on a movie. But

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<v Speaker 1>when I think of producer with just that title, I

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<v Speaker 1>think of the main person who was working on this

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<v Speaker 1>movie from beginning to end, hand in hand with the director,

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<v Speaker 1>um packaging the movie, working with the crew, were casting,

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<v Speaker 1>helping with casting, really just sort of the partner of

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<v Speaker 1>the director going into battle together to get this movie made. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Since we're on Far from Heaven. The great Christine Vashon

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<v Speaker 1>was a producer of that, and she's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>all time great producers. Has a stellar sellar list of

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<v Speaker 1>credits to her name. And Christine Vashon is of feet

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<v Speaker 1>to the ground, get down to it, nitty gritty producer

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<v Speaker 1>involved in reaspect of the making of the movie from

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<v Speaker 1>the very beginning to the very end UM. But producer

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<v Speaker 1>can also mean you're just you know, sort of involved

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe one of the actors assistant producer. They basically

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<v Speaker 1>work on things that the producers tell you to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just sort of a h almost like a

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<v Speaker 1>co producer. But then there's also a credit of co

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<v Speaker 1>producer and they share responsibilities responsibilities generally as a group

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<v Speaker 1>and as a team of producers. UM. Maybe take on

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<v Speaker 1>some creative responsibilities. Another co producer might handle more of

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<v Speaker 1>the business um. But then you also have the line producer,

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<v Speaker 1>and the line producer generally is handling the budgetary things, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the physical aspects of the movie production. UM, not as

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<v Speaker 1>involved creatively, but they're really their day to day UM,

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<v Speaker 1>making sure that everything is all departments have what they

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<v Speaker 1>need uh and and have the money they need or

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases they don't have the money and they

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<v Speaker 1>have to figure out how to do it anyway. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's the line producer. UM. The associate producer, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>can be they can be involved UM or it can

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<v Speaker 1>be like I said, like a title that you just

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<v Speaker 1>throw out to someone who did you a little favor. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a courtesy title. Sometimes as a backer of

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<v Speaker 1>the film. Uh. They may not play a major role

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<v Speaker 1>at all, but sometimes they have worked on the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very um nebulous sort of gray area for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these titles. I think you're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>get that picture. Um. Supervising producer. They can oversee some

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<v Speaker 1>of the other producers as they perform some of their duties. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they may take the place of an executive producer

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<v Speaker 1>or work for the executive producer. Uh. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>have finally the coordinating producer, and they coordinate the work

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<v Speaker 1>of several producers. Is it's starting to get that thing

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<v Speaker 1>where you say the producer where so many times starts

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<v Speaker 1>to sound funny. Producer overload, recording producers are They're very

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<v Speaker 1>valuable if a studio is producing related films. And the

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<v Speaker 1>example here on how stuff works is the movie Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 1>When you have um two related films being produced at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, um, like the Pirates of the Caribbean

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<v Speaker 1>or the Spider Man movies, or like when they did

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<v Speaker 1>Lord of the Rings altogether. Sometimes a coordinating producer might

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<v Speaker 1>make sure all the various heads are talking to one

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<v Speaker 1>another well, especially if there's like Marvel Cinematic Universe types

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<v Speaker 1>where there has to be continuity from one movie to

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<v Speaker 1>the next, and they have to know what the other

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<v Speaker 1>crew is doing in order for the one crew to

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<v Speaker 1>do it right. You know, absolutely, So that is grip

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<v Speaker 1>this for this week and what's the best boy, Chuck? Oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to that. So hopefully that cleared things up,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have a feeling I've just really confused everyone

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<v Speaker 1>further on what a producer is. I once met this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Dean Zanek, who is the son of famed producer Richard Zanek,

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<v Speaker 1>who also related to Darryl Zannek. Yeah, and Dean was

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<v Speaker 1>producing this movie Get Low With that had Bill Murray

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<v Speaker 1>and it Yeah, I remember that movie. It was good.

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<v Speaker 1>But they shot it near my hometown of Adusta, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did a piece on it for a public

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<v Speaker 1>radio and I got to go to the set. They

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<v Speaker 1>shot it in a town called Crawfordville, and I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of asked Dean what a producer was or how do

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<v Speaker 1>you become a producer And there was no real clear answer.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an adorable question from you at that age two, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what he was sort of like, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate answer was you you're the son of Richard's you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a getting into the job of producer is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of weird. And like Emily, my wife was a producer,

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<v Speaker 1>she'd produced music videos. And in that case, the path

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<v Speaker 1>to producer is you usually start work as a p

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<v Speaker 1>A and then you move up to maybe production coordinator,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you move up to production manager or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>u PM unit production manager, and eventually you can get

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<v Speaker 1>work as a producer, and then the line producer is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of attainable too. Isn't that a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>functional job that aolutely That's like you're you're handling the

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<v Speaker 1>money in the budget and uh uh. And those you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like Emily as a producer unfortunately wasn't super involved creatively.

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<v Speaker 1>They are the people responsible for pulling off that job.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the case of music videos, that is a tough,

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<v Speaker 1>tough job, or at least was back then. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know if they still make music videos. They just

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<v Speaker 1>all make them with their phones. Now, okay, good, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>Segment two, we're gonna move on to another edition of

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<v Speaker 1>the Highlight Reel. This week, I'm going to highlight the wonderful,

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<v Speaker 1>the amazing, the lovely, and amazing hint hint, Nicole Holofsiner

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<v Speaker 1>in her first three films. Specifically, Nicole Holofsener is one

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<v Speaker 1>of my filmmaking heroes. She as from New York City

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<v Speaker 1>and began her career as a writer and director in

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<v Speaker 1>with the independent film Walking and Talking with a very

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<v Speaker 1>young Katherine Keener and Leev Schreiber and Hesh todd Field

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<v Speaker 1>and Kevin Corrigan. And it was in that I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about it all the time, but that wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>mid nineties period where independent film um was burgeoning and

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of put itself on the map. And there

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<v Speaker 1>were so many great, great movies made then, and Walking

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<v Speaker 1>and Talking is certainly one of them. The story of

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<v Speaker 1>these two best friends, Katherine Keener and Hesh or Hess.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I haven't seen her in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>She's good or she can be, Yeah, it does. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like she kind of disappeared. Yeah, let's let's go

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<v Speaker 1>find a Haitian put her on the show. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>that I'll do it. That'll put her right back on

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<v Speaker 1>the star map. Wasn't she married to Ellen for a

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<v Speaker 1>while or weren't they like an item? Yeah? Absolute? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So they played good friends and Liev Schreiber is the

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<v Speaker 1>is the friend of Katherine Keener and just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>their life in New York as twenty somethings and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>failed love affairs and romances. It's just a really really

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<v Speaker 1>great movie. Uh five years later. It took five years,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine because Nicole Holofstener is a woman in Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>in the mid nineties and there just was not and

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<v Speaker 1>still is not enough opportunity for female writers and directors.

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<v Speaker 1>So it took her five years after The Great Walking

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<v Speaker 1>and Talking to make Lovely and Amazing, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful film with again Katherine Keener. As you will see,

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<v Speaker 1>she has become a staple in her movies, the Great

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<v Speaker 1>Brenda Blevin, uh, Emily Mortimer and uh the first movie

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<v Speaker 1>from a young woman or a young girl at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, Raven Goodwin. And it's the story of a

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<v Speaker 1>mom and two daughters and a granddaughter and their life

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<v Speaker 1>together and it's just again so sweet and so real,

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<v Speaker 1>and which is sort of a pattern you will see

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<v Speaker 1>in Nicole Holofsener's work. She just is able to tap

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<v Speaker 1>into these real human emotions and get these great performances

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<v Speaker 1>out of all her actors, and then finally movie number three,

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<v Speaker 1>Friends with Money, Jennifer Anniston, And it's when Jennifer Aniston

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<v Speaker 1>left Friends and took the or when Friends ended, and

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<v Speaker 1>she took that turn in her career where she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do some um, smaller movies, some more independent films

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<v Speaker 1>and did really good, some really good quality movies during

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<v Speaker 1>that period, and Friends with Money was certainly one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is the story of four sisters, Jennifer Andison,

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<v Speaker 1>Joan Kuzack, uh the wonderfully amazing, Frances McDormand, and again

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<v Speaker 1>Katherine Keener, one of my favorite actors. And there are

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<v Speaker 1>four sisters and it's about again just their interpersonal relationships

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<v Speaker 1>and um, some are married, some are not, some are

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<v Speaker 1>um looking for love like Jennifer Anderson's character and uh money.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Friends with Money because that is a theme

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie. They're sort of an undercurrent of of

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't see this in movies, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>made this surreal is and it's a real thing. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>if some people have more money than others in a

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<v Speaker 1>friend group, it can get weird and and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>case here. And it's just sort of a real life

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you never see in movies. And in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>Frances McDorman is has made a lot of money as

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<v Speaker 1>a as a fashion designer, um, whereas Jennifer Anniston is

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<v Speaker 1>and I think Katherine Keyner's character and her husband are

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<v Speaker 1>also very well off in Los Angeles, and Jennifer Aniston

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<v Speaker 1>is has not much money and she's cleaning houses to

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<v Speaker 1>get by, and as the sister, you know, they try

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<v Speaker 1>to do everything they can to help her out. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a really interesting look at what money means

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to relationships with one another. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>done in a very real way. It's not like they

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<v Speaker 1>don't you know, she doesn't beat you over the head

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<v Speaker 1>with with finance. That makes sense. I thought Bride'smaids did

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting job of that as well. And their friends, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's the deal, you know. That's the thing like

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<v Speaker 1>if if a group of friends, if someone breaks out

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<v Speaker 1>and has a lot of dough all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>it can make things really weird and uncomfortable. There can

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<v Speaker 1>be jealousies involved for sure, And in this movie, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones with the money are very generous, but then

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Ranson also doesn't want to take them up on

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<v Speaker 1>that generosity, whereas the people with the dough or you're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, hey, it doesn't matter to me. But

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<v Speaker 1>to be in that position where money doesn't matter is

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<v Speaker 1>very unique and uncomfortable when your sister or brother or

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<v Speaker 1>friend does not have the money. So it's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh it's called friends with Money. And also just a

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<v Speaker 1>quick shout out to the movies that followed are also great.

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<v Speaker 1>One called Please Give Again with Katherine Keener and the

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<v Speaker 1>great great Oliver Platt and Amanda Pete. And then she

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<v Speaker 1>did the last movie with James Gandolfini before he passed away,

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<v Speaker 1>called Enough Said with Julia Louis Dreyfuss. She has some

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<v Speaker 1>great TV credits to like six ft Under few episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to say she did some parks in

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<v Speaker 1>Wreck and Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt and Enlightened, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit of an underappreciated show with um

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<v Speaker 1>oh dude, Laura Dern that was one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>favorite shows. In fact, you know I'm gonna save that

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<v Speaker 1>one for the highlight reel. The Lightened was so great

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<v Speaker 1>a uh and also um, she directed nicolehol Offsener directed

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<v Speaker 1>the pilot for one Mississippi, the great, great show that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to talk about right now on stream this

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<v Speaker 1>all right, as we finish up with stream this and

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<v Speaker 1>comment card UH as I mentioned one Mississippi season two

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<v Speaker 1>is what I'm gonna highlight this week. The wonderful Tignataro,

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<v Speaker 1>who was UH an episode two of Movie Crush, And

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't listened to that one, the numbers are

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<v Speaker 1>a little lower for that one because it was very

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<v Speaker 1>early on UM. But if you haven't, go back and

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the Tignataro episode, because the setup for that

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly is. She came in here and right before

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<v Speaker 1>we recorded UH and hit record, she got the call

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<v Speaker 1>that she was cancer free, the call that she had

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<v Speaker 1>been waiting on from her doctor. And as any fan

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<v Speaker 1>of tig Nos, she's um been through the ringer with

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<v Speaker 1>her health and her life and she has a bear

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<v Speaker 1>all up on stage quite literally actually, and UM it's

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<v Speaker 1>been very up front about her battle with cancer and

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<v Speaker 1>her struggle. So I come into record, she's literally crying

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<v Speaker 1>in the studio and no one knows what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And as it turns out, that was the there were

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<v Speaker 1>tears of joy because she had gotten the cancer free

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<v Speaker 1>call and we launched right into recording about the movie Mask.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a show I'm super proud of. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't listened to that, go back. But a tig show.

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<v Speaker 1>One Mississippi is just great. Um. It's a story of

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<v Speaker 1>her going back to her hometown in Mississippi after her

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<v Speaker 1>mother has passed again. Autobiographical and um. Season two really

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<v Speaker 1>makes great strides with her relationship with a local woman

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<v Speaker 1>there working at the radio station who is her real

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<v Speaker 1>life wife, Stephanie, And they are just obviously chemistry um

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<v Speaker 1>off screen, so they have it on screen as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And Stephanie's just adorably wonderful on that show. And I

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<v Speaker 1>just saw her in a super Bowl commercial too, which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of funny. I was like, wait, there's Stephanie.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for her making some big dough uh. And she

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<v Speaker 1>you know, continues to von with her brother character on

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<v Speaker 1>the show and come to terms with her mother's widowed husband,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a problematic and strange relationship. So One Mississippi

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<v Speaker 1>Season two just continued to build on the great foundation

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<v Speaker 1>they late in season one. And if you haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>it on Amazon, you can stream it now. And very sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>I just found out that it was not renewed. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's all we're gonna get of one Mississippi man, which

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<v Speaker 1>really bumps me out. I think it's the Louis backlash. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I think, um, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it just didn't get renewed. Smallish audience from what

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<v Speaker 1>Tig said, very loyal audience, though she has very loyal fans,

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<v Speaker 1>myself included. And here's kind of a cool thing, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I saw her post on Facebook that she

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<v Speaker 1>there's a club in l A called Largo. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know Largo? Of course, and Josh and I performed at Largo.

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<v Speaker 1>It's right there in Hollywood and it's known for just

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<v Speaker 1>some of the best comedy shows and they curate just

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<v Speaker 1>some of the best shows in town and Largo. She

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<v Speaker 1>had a picture of her sitting on the couch there backstage,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, when my mother passed away, I had

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<v Speaker 1>all of her furniture and stuff, and I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to do with this couch. I had no room

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<v Speaker 1>for it. So I called I can't remember the owner

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<v Speaker 1>and proprietor of Largo, but she said I called him

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<v Speaker 1>up and he said, hey, you can keep it here.

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<v Speaker 1>So she had her picture taken on that couch, which

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<v Speaker 1>was her dearly departed mother's couch, and I saw that

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, man, I have sat on that

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<v Speaker 1>couch and had no idea that it was tiggs mom's couch.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was just very cool. Uh. If you love

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<v Speaker 1>tig and you you then you definitely love her story

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<v Speaker 1>of her and her mother's relationship. So it was just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of kind of neat for me to be like,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, you've been on tiggs mom's couch. Largo

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<v Speaker 1>was the spot where she recorded all those specials. I

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<v Speaker 1>think early on that became the big the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>she was known for on This American Life and all

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<v Speaker 1>that story. Yeah, Largo, I've never been. I really like to.

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<v Speaker 1>It's cool. Well you got a l a lot now,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, John Bryan, you know John Bryan, the film composer.

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<v Speaker 1>He does like a monthly gime there. I've always heard that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. I'd really like to go see him do that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He um did a lot of Pete Anderson music and

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<v Speaker 1>produced the Good Fion Apple Records, and he's in that crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>The Largo crowd is what I call it. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is the the well, it's not new now, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is the second location for Largo. When I lived in

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<v Speaker 1>l A. It was a even smaller venue in Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 1>uh where I saw Rufus Waynewright play very early on.

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<v Speaker 1>It was almost like a piano bar. It was very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of the first dates I went on

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<v Speaker 1>with Emily. They call it Largo at the Coronet Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is that the differentiation there? Yeah, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>the old Cornet Theater, one of the old great Hollywood theaters.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh yeah. One Mississippi season two streaming on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>Support tig Nataro and all her efforts because she is

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<v Speaker 1>the best. And finally we'll finish up with comic card

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<v Speaker 1>who got a couple of emails here and I call

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<v Speaker 1>from Facebook is from Vanessa Lopez. Hi, Chuckers and Nol Nol.

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<v Speaker 1>You're officially a cast member, so cool man, Isn't that great?

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<v Speaker 1>I've listened to stuff you should know for years and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm loving movie Crush. It's fun hearing the conversations about

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<v Speaker 1>how much these movies mean to each of your guests.

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<v Speaker 1>People always say the book is better than the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a movie that comes to mind that you

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<v Speaker 1>think was actually better than the book. For me, it's misery.

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<v Speaker 1>Not even Stephen King could write a character creepier than

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy Bates played good one. What is a good one?

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<v Speaker 1>So this one was hard for me because I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>read a ton of books that later became adapted into films. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But of the ones I have read, I can't say

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<v Speaker 1>that they were better, but I will say they were

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<v Speaker 1>as good as I could have hoped. Uh, mainly because

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<v Speaker 1>I read good books. Um, I went to look out

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<v Speaker 1>online just to see get some inspiration, and typically, like

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<v Speaker 1>the list is like The Godfather and Jaws and these

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<v Speaker 1>things that were kind of popcorn summer books that were

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<v Speaker 1>made into really great movies. But I read really good

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<v Speaker 1>books to begin with. So it's kind of hard to say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>No Country for Old Men, because that was a great,

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<v Speaker 1>great book and a great, great movie. Yeah. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's all about the way it handles the source material.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes if it like can paint this picture visually

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<v Speaker 1>that is so arresting, then it's almost like you can

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<v Speaker 1>say this medium told the story better. And yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean if they if they managed to bring it

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<v Speaker 1>to life in a way and cast it. Casting is

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<v Speaker 1>so important because when you read a book, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least I do, I almost always cast it in my

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<v Speaker 1>brain from like Hollywood, you know actors. I usually don't

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<v Speaker 1>read a book and just think of just some random,

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<v Speaker 1>you know face. I think in some ways the Game

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<v Speaker 1>of Thrones TV show is better than the books because

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<v Speaker 1>the books get mired down and a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>real flowery, overly long descriptions of the tables of food

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, where in the book it's like you can

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<v Speaker 1>describe a banquet table in five pages. In the movie

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<v Speaker 1>or in the TV show, you you just see the

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<v Speaker 1>camera pans over it and you're done with the food.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, that's always really interesting for me to

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<v Speaker 1>see that happen, like the thing in the book that

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<v Speaker 1>is so uh well described that could just be a

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<v Speaker 1>shot or not even in the movie at all. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>So for me as a tie, I'm gonna go with

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<v Speaker 1>No Country for Old Men. I'm gonna go with The

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<v Speaker 1>Virgin Suicides, the great book and movie, the book from

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey U genitys in the movie from Sofia Coppola. Um great,

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<v Speaker 1>great adaptation. Uh there's a book in a movie called

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Son with Billy Crude up a little independent film.

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<v Speaker 1>Um really really great book of almost a little independent

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<v Speaker 1>short stories, and the director Alison McClean managed to um

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<v Speaker 1>tie and weave these stories together in a in a

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<v Speaker 1>great way in the movie that it was one of

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<v Speaker 1>those when you read the book, I thought it would

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty challenging. Uh. In Jesus Son from really really

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<v Speaker 1>good movie. And also, I mean, one of the great casts.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how, oh she got such a cast

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<v Speaker 1>for an independent movie, but it has not only Billy

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<v Speaker 1>Crude up, Samantha Morton, Holly Hunter, Dennis Hopper, Dennis Leary, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Shannon, a young Michael Shannon before anyone knew him.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Black is in the movie. It's just got the

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<v Speaker 1>orderly Yeah, well I want to ruin that. No, no, no no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a movie that's like everybody like it's like equal

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<v Speaker 1>parts heartbreaking and hilarious and like full of joy, and

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<v Speaker 1>it just kind of runs the gamut, but not in

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<v Speaker 1>like a way that's like overly kind of overwrought, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really really good, agreed, wonderful movie. Uh. And then

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<v Speaker 1>To Kill a Mockingbird to Go Back in Time a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>great book, great movie. And then finally American Psycho. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I read American Psycho in college when it came out,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a weird one and that I was

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<v Speaker 1>terrified reading this book. And then when the movie came

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<v Speaker 1>out as a dark comedy, I had to completely rethink

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<v Speaker 1>the eyes through which I had read it. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>see your read? I didn't finish that book because it

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<v Speaker 1>was just it was like so horrific and misogynistic, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was just I almost was like, what if someone

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<v Speaker 1>reads this over my shoulder that I'm reading right now,

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna think I'm like the sickest human being a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>And the movie doesn't have like in the book. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just so graphic that it's just like you can't even imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>And the movie really pairs it down and plays up

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<v Speaker 1>the dark comedy aspect and I love I like that

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<v Speaker 1>movie a lot. I haven't seen it in years. I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if it holds up. Uh yeah, it's good. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean again, I never thought of it as a dark

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<v Speaker 1>comedy at all, and it's one one that really made

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<v Speaker 1>me go back and rethink everything. Um, but I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it is a dark comedy female director as well. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's about the only way you can make

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<v Speaker 1>that movie, you know, because it is brutally misogynistic and

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<v Speaker 1>awful about a serial killer who praise on when while

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<v Speaker 1>you praise on ment too. But yeah, pretty pretty bad

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and somehow managed to to reak some comedy out

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<v Speaker 1>of it. And that's Mary Heron. Ah, that's Mary Heron,

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<v Speaker 1>who yeah, off off Mike. I thought Mary Heron had

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<v Speaker 1>directed Jesus Son getting all the Ducks in a row. Everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So that is it for this week. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>tuning in. Thanks to Noel as always for the insight.

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<v Speaker 1>This week we have Oh boy, everybody, hold onto your hats.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to New York City and I got into

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<v Speaker 1>a studio with the great Tony Shalub. The Tony Shalub, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he certainly looked like him. That's exciting. Check. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to hear that one. Yeah, it was Tony Shalub.

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<v Speaker 1>And we talked about the sting. So I know Tony

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<v Speaker 1>through a friend from high school and he hooked this up.

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<v Speaker 1>And Tony was awesome and a big thrill Like he's

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<v Speaker 1>a legit, like I almost want to say legend of

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<v Speaker 1>TV and film. Guy's been around forever and been in

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<v Speaker 1>a million things. I think legend is utterly a fair characterization,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Uh So, Tony and talked about The Sting,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a great movie, and this is now marks

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<v Speaker 1>the second Newman and Redford directed by George roy Hill

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<v Speaker 1>pick after Butch Casson and The Sundance Kid and Tony

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<v Speaker 1>Club This Sting, and so did I and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a really great interview. So brush up the crush out

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<v Speaker 1>this week, and thanks for joining us right now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always a pleasure. All right, We'll see you guys

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<v Speaker 1>next week.