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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Get the In's Charge podcast for is

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Speaker 2: Anybody Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Stephen. I'm the

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Speaker 2: host as always, and joining me is my guy Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Tyler what some I mean? How you doing today?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, man. How you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing fantastic as well.

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Speaker 2: It's Combine week, one of my favorite weeks of the

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Speaker 2: NFL schedule. We're recording this on Wednesday. By the time

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Speaker 2: this comes out, you guys will be listening to this

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Speaker 2: hopefully or watching this on Friday, so we'll have some

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Speaker 2: testing numbers, some measurements that all starts tomorrow as we're

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Speaker 2: recording this. So really excited to see that. We've heard

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Speaker 2: from the edge rushers. We've heard from the linebackers, defensive

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Speaker 2: linemen today at the Combine. We obviously heard from the

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Speaker 2: general managers and head coaches yesterday from the media. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk about mister Joe Horties's press conference here in a minute.

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Speaker 1: So it's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Draft season is ramping up in a big way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the season ended and then we're right back in

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Speaker 3: it and I've got over sixty prospects graded. I'm stoked man,

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Speaker 3: Like it's good stuff. I'm excited for the underwear Olympics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been putting putting together my big board as

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Speaker 2: we do every single year, and like I always start

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Speaker 2: with like the first round grades, but now I'm like

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Speaker 2: second round range things like that. So it's a lot

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Speaker 2: of fun and I love talking about the draft, and

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Speaker 2: free agency is right around the corner. We're officially two

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Speaker 2: weeks away from free agency as of recording this today,

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Speaker 2: so it's gonna it sneaks up on us every single year.

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Speaker 2: There's all the back channeling stuff that's happening at the

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Speaker 2: combine this week is gonna shape a lot of what

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Speaker 2: happens in the next couple of weeks. So excited to

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Speaker 2: dive into all that before we get started today. First

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Speaker 2: and foremost, tailand are fans of the team, just like

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Speaker 2: you guys are. The opinions that we express and share

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Speaker 2: on the show are not always reflective of the opinion

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Speaker 2: of the Chargers organization themselves. We're very grateful to have

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Speaker 2: this platform, but just like you guys, we are fans

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, and that's why we're

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Speaker 2: happy to bring a fan perspective to the show and

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Speaker 2: to the draft and everything like that. So specifically, today,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about Joe Ortiz's press conference, and then

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Speaker 2: we're gonna highlight some free agent targets that mister Joe

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Speaker 2: Ortiz and company might be looking at, could be looking

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Speaker 2: at that makes some sense for where the Chargers are

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Speaker 2: at financially. But let's start with Joe Ortes's press conference here, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: We'll spend a few minutes there the bulk of our

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Speaker 2: show on the free agency targets. But what's kind of

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Speaker 2: your big takeaway from Joe Ortes's press conference. He's had

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Speaker 2: some time now to like sit back and watch the roster.

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Speaker 2: You know, of course, he's not gonna lay everything out,

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Speaker 2: all that stuff, but he had some interesting comments. Was

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I love the comment about how the roster should never

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Speaker 3: be where you wanted, and they're going to find different

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Speaker 3: points in this season to make the ross for better.

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Speaker 3: They're going to work daily to add pieces to the

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Speaker 3: the offense, whatever they need. You know, you're working constantly

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Speaker 3: So it's it's free agency, like he said, but it's

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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty pressures, I believe, twenty one sacks,

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Speaker 3: I think it's so much better to be proactive than

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Speaker 3: how many seasons have we watched where the Chargers you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the two pass rushers.

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Speaker 2: that like, you can't be afraid to add depth when

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, like I look back at, you know,

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Speaker 3: Just going back to something you mentioned earlier, what did

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Speaker 3: every Chargers fan has a mock draft where the Chargers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you look at the Ravens draft history,

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Speaker 2: Like the Ravens ideas are like, that's how Joe's going

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Speaker 1: He did yesterday.

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Speaker 2: So I think, in an ideal word, in an ideal

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Speaker 2: And maybe that's Malik Neighbors. Maybe that's Joe Alt, maybe

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, Yeah, I would agree, and I certainly

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Speaker 3: don't expect Hortis to go out and say, hey, here's

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Speaker 3: curious what you thought because that did make me raise

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think his comment where he was asked specifically

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Speaker 2: and that includes guys that Jim Harbo is very familiar with,

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Speaker 1: Obviously Cooper Cup was the same way a few years ago.

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Speaker 2: It's just kind of the nature of the college game

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Speaker 2: where it's like, yes, I would love to have a

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Speaker 2: there's so many different options out there in this specific

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, as it turns out, Trevor Sikama, who covers

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Speaker 3: the draft for a living three hundred and sixty five

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Speaker 3: He said that there probably won't be another Puka Nakua,

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Speaker 3: gonna find someone if it's Marvin Harrison junior, great, but

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Speaker 3: that's Marvin Harrison junior. Unlikely to find another guy on

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Speaker 3: at least in his mind. Same with offensive line of course,

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Speaker 1: You know, cream rises to the top.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I do think that there is something

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as am I in Harbab, we trust.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Tyler, any other thoughts about the press

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Speaker 3: and I appreciate that Joe Hortes mentioned that we will

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's that was an interesting question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's my favorite of the picks that

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Speaker 3: second in PFF war. So this is a very good

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Speaker 3: running back. This is a very good player as is.

434
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 3: But why an expensive older running back? I genuinely believe,

435
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 3: and Joe Hort He's mentioned as much in his presser

436
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 3: that running backs have quite a bit of value, and

437
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 3: they certainly have value in this offense with Jim Harbon

438
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 3: what he wants to do, with what Greg Roman wants

439
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 3: to do. I do believe absolutely that running back has

440
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 3: value and there are several other options. I bring up

441
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 3: Derrick Henry, but there are plenty of other ones. Edwards,

442
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 3: Josh Jacob, Zach Moss, etc. Those are all really good

443
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 3: names too. But I think for this one with Derek Henry,

444
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 3: I wanted to bring it up for a few reasons

445
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 3: that I'll get into, other than the fact that he

446
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 3: is a good player. One the forty nine Ers did

447
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 3: give Frank Gore a three year, twenty million dollar contract

448
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 3: back in twenty eleven, and he was aged twenty eight

449
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 3: at that time. Derrick Henry will be twenty nine, so

450
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 3: it's not like Jim Harbaugh has not done this before.

451
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,439
Speaker 3: And heck Gore went to the Jets to finish his career,

452
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 3: where Chad Alexander, the Charger's new assistant general manager, was

453
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 3: there as a director of player personnel. I'm not saying

454
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Speaker 3: they're getting Frank Gore, but I'm saying like there is

455
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 3: a bit of comfort with a giving money to a

456
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 3: player's twenty eight twenty nine and be a running back

457
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 3: who is older, like they will go out and do this.

458
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 3: Granted Frank Gore at that time versus Derek Henry. Now,

459
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 3: different mile age, different cary totals, but still, but the

460
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 3: Ravens have gone out of their way previously, and of

461
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 3: course Georgy Ortiz was there to go get Le'Veon bell A,

462
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 3: Melvin Gordon, a Dalvin Cook. Again not as a ten

463
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 3: million dollar a year starter by any means, but again

464
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: they are comfortable working in that age range and trying

465
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Speaker 3: to find back to keep the the room going. But

466
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 3: the reason I'm really bringing this up at all is

467
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 3: that there are now some reports circulating that last year

468
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 3: there was a deal in place, or very close to

469
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 3: a deal in place, to send Derrick Henry from the

470
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 3: Titans to the Ravens. Why did it fall through? I

471
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: have no idea, but Joe Harties was with the Ravens

472
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: and so I don't know how involved he was with that.

473
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 3: But if the reports are believed to be true, and

474
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Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd say I believe them, We'll

475
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 3: never really know. But if you believe those reports to

476
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 3: be true, then there was some interest. So I think

477
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Speaker 3: that based on history, based on what they want to do,

478
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 3: what Greg Roman wants to do, potentially that trade of

479
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: having happened last year, and just the fact that Greg

480
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 3: Roman and this rushing attack they need somebody like this,

481
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 3: I think I did want to bring up Derek Henry,

482
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Speaker 3: and I wasn't going to before, but after a while

483
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Speaker 3: and the more I looked into it, I felt like

484
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Speaker 3: I kind of needed to.

485
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: And there's obviously a lot of love out there where

486
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: I guess desire for the Chargers to go out and

487
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: sign an expensive running back. Know Rich Eisen went on

488
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: his show yesterday I believe maybe Monday, and was advocating

489
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: for the Chargers to sign Saquon Barkley. I think their

490
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: Chargers are or were current were at one point in

491
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: the favorites to sign Josh Jacobs in free agency. So

492
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: like a lot of people think the Chargers are gonna

493
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Speaker 2: sign expensive free agent running back, I I think Derrick

494
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: Henry would probably be my choice of the expensive running backs.

495
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: Saquan's had an injury history. You know, he's had a

496
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: ton of wear and tear on his body. And the

497
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: explosive numbers are still there, but the downto down efficiency

498
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: numbers last year and even the year before that were

499
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: were not great. You look at Josh Jacobs, who led

500
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: the league in rushing in twenty twenty two. The efficiency

501
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: numbers were not very good last year and the explosive

502
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 2: numbers were even worse, and a lot of that could

503
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Speaker 2: be said. You know, they went from dealing with, like,

504
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: you know, Derek Carr quarterback and to an Aiden and

505
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 2: O'Connell type quarterback. The offense kind of deteriorated, deteriorated. That

506
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: certainly plays a factor. But if you look at Dereck

507
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: Henry the Titans offensive line last year, if you just

508
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: pulled everybody and said, hey, who has the worst offensive

509
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 2: line in the league, I think the Titans would have

510
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: won that poll. And Derek Henry still produced at a

511
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: really high level, rushing yards over expectation, yards after contact,

512
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Speaker 2: all the stuff that you highlighted. So I think of

513
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: the expensive type of backs, Derrick Henry would be my choice.

514
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: How interested he would be in kind of choosing a

515
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: soft reset for the Chargers as opposed to going to

516
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: the Ravens or another team who is currently a Super

517
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: Bowl contender remains to be seen. But I definitely could

518
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: understand why anybody would choose Derek Plenty of running backs.

519
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 3: I think that there is an argument that Joe Horties,

520
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 3: or at least the Ravens in general. I know he's

521
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 3: not the GM have not paid running backs under Lamar's contract.

522
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: At the same time, I feel like Lamar also could

523
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Speaker 3: give you a thousand rushing yards, but justin Herbert is

524
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: not giving you that right exactly. So I think that

525
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 3: you got to kind of meet in the middle. Like

526
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: Herbert's not gonna go get a thousand yards rushing next year.

527
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't put it past him.

528
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 3: So you got to find something to kind of meet

529
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Speaker 3: you in the middle there for the for the rushing attack.

530
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we ultimately will see the Chargers at

531
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Speaker 2: a veteran running back. I think the position room just

532
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: needs that that kind of juice and you need a

533
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: you need that sability. You can't go into the draft

534
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: with Isaiah Spiller and Elijah Dotson under contract like you.

535
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: You need to add somebody to the room. So I'm

536
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: gonna go down a few tiers. And this is definitely

537
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: a character caricature of myself. I went to the school.

538
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: I actually had a class in college with this individual,

539
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: and that is mister Zach Moss. And I know people

540
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: are kind of tired of me talking about Utah. I

541
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: only talk about Utah when it's relevant, and in assistance

542
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: it is relevant. You look at Zach Moss and what

543
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: he did with the Colts, and at one point during

544
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: the season when Jonathan Taylor was dealing with his injury,

545
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 2: Zach Moss was the leading rusher in the entire NFL

546
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Speaker 2: with Gardner Minshew as his quarterback. You look at his

547
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: season as a whole, among fifty one running backs with

548
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: at least ninety attempts, Zack Moss was fifth in rushing

549
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: yards over expectation per attempt. He was twenty fifth in

550
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: total mistackles forced, He was twenty eighth in runs a

551
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: ten plus yards, He was twentieth in breakaway percentage, and

552
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: he was twenty fourth in first downs created. There's a

553
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: lot of value in the efficiency of a Zach Moss

554
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: type of running back. And he showed what he could

555
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: do for the Colts in spot duty in full time

556
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: starter duty, and that's just the kind of reliability that

557
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: I think the Chargers running game needs.

558
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't think.

559
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: He's the type of running back to carry the ball

560
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 2: twenty times every single game for seventeen weeks.

561
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 3: Obviously, I know him very well. He gets he gets.

562
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: These little bumps and bruises along the way. Pretty much

563
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: every season. He misses a gamer here game or two

564
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: here there quite often. So he's not like a workhorse

565
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: back like Derrick Henry, but he can come in and

566
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,719
Speaker 2: stabilize your running back room. He can come in and

567
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: add some efficiency. You do have to add other running

568
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: backs to his room, but you know, you get Derek

569
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: Henry for one year, ten million dollars type deal, let's say,

570
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: and you can get Zach Moss for two years and

571
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: seven million dollars total. So you're talking about a much

572
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: cheaper type of running back who's now your RB one.

573
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 2: Maybe he's more of your one A this year and

574
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: just kind of allows you to take some lumps this

575
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: year stabilize the position, giving you some some real reliability

576
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: and capability of the spot for the short term.

577
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, as we just discussed, the Ravens never paid running

578
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 3: back a ton of money while under this contract, but

579
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: they've always done a really good job of having like

580
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 3: RB one to RB four plus their fullback be really

581
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: really good, really really strong. So at any point, like okay,

582
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: you lose a player JK. Dobbins goes on, for example,

583
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: and you still have a really good rushing attack. Again,

584
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: Lamar helps with that quite a bit, but they've always

585
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: managed to keep a nice group there, so Zach Moss

586
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: leading that I think would be fantastic. This draft class

587
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: doesn't seem like it has any Round one guys in

588
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: frankly like round two and feels rich for a lot

589
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 3: of these guys because some of the guys that could

590
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: be there got hurt and they're recovering from injuries or

591
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: they're not even you know, running this weekend for various reasons.

592
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: So it's not like a great class early, but later

593
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: on that like round three to five, range really do

594
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 3: like a lot of these guys. So pairing Zach Moss

595
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: with one of those guys with Spilder and Dotson feels

596
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: like a nice, really nice one through four running back room.

597
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: I think that again the Chargers should draft a running

598
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: back this year. And you know, I like you Tyler's

599
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: mentioning here. I think Jonathan Brooks are Trey Benson type,

600
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: like they could be that guy in the second round,

601
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: but both of them have some knee issues that I

602
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: would definitely want to get some clarity on. Obviously, Jonathan

603
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: Brooks towards ACL this past season, we don't know when

604
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: he's gonna be ready, so you know, whoever, whatever veteran

605
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: they sign, like, you're gonna need a young running back

606
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: to be able to come in after him. I mean,

607
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: the Titans last year I think did it right with

608
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: adding Ta J.

609
00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: Spears.

610
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 2: So that's that's the kind of thing you're trying to

611
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: look for. You you're signing Zach Moss, maybe you're doing

612
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: even cheaper than that. You're signing a Gus Edwards type,

613
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: and then you're drafting kind of a faster, more explosive type.

614
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: I think is probably the approach that I'm leaning towards.

615
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: If you draft Derek, if you signed Derek Henry, the

616
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: running back need probably goes down a few rounds. Maybe

617
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: that becomes like a sixth round need instead of the

618
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: fourth round need. But either way, like the Chargers are

619
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: going to run the football in twenty twenty four and

620
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: as long as Jim Harrod's the coach and they need

621
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: multiple running backs, it's not just like sign one, I agree.

622
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: Next up for me, I'll go with a defensive tackle,

623
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: and you have one that I do like quite a bit.

624
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: More to discuss later, but I'll go with a different one.

625
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: And that is me just thinking about comp picks here

626
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: and reclamation projects and coaching. And that is Javon Kinlaw,

627
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: the defensive tackle for the forty nine ers, who was

628
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: a former fourteenth overall pick, a lot of talent, it

629
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: is really not panned out so far, although he did

630
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: have a much better final season with the forty nine ers.

631
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: I thirty one pressures, fifteen on stops, I believe four

632
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: sacks or whatever it was. He's only projected to get

633
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: five and a half, only projected to get five and

634
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: a half million dollars a year. I say that as

635
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: a teacher who definitely not does not make that much money.

636
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 3: But if you're Jim Harbaugh, if you're Jesse Minter, if

637
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: you're Mike Elston, if you're Ben Herbert, if you believe

638
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: that you are the all star staff that you are

639
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: and that you can maximize players, particularly on defense, I

640
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: think you go out and you try to take a

641
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: chance on some of these quote unquote projects. Not that

642
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: these guys were projects, but we talked about Clowne, we

643
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 3: talked about van Ney. These guys came into this defensive

644
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: system and had the best years of their careers. And

645
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 3: I think that this is potentially a defensive system that

646
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: can do that. For Kin law. So you find a

647
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: way to get the former fourteenth overall pick who was

648
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: kind of ascending this last year anyway, you get him

649
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: to really have another really good season, like maybe even

650
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: a great season, and now you're talking about being able

651
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: to flip. You know, he goes and gets a nice

652
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: contract elsewhere and you get a future Comppick for that.

653
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: They did it with Matthew Judah or matt Judon. They

654
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: did it with Janikokway. They got fourth round picks compicks

655
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: for those guys. Again, not the most exciting thing ever,

656
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: but at minimum, you get a player who fits at

657
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: least like the size profile where we're trying to start

658
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: looking for defensive tackles. Who are that three hundred plus

659
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: pound solid player there. He is a bit more of

660
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: a rusher than a run defender. So I could see

661
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: why the Chargers would hesitate there. But again, if you

662
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: believe in who are you are as a staff, I'd

663
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: like to see the Chargers start going after players who

664
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: didn't quite hit yet and then getting those players and

665
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: then maximizing them. So it's either a a benefit to

666
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: their team or b a benefit to their team long term,

667
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: because hey, we got a Comppick for that player, So

668
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: kin Law, there are other defensive tackles I like the

669
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: one that you're going to mention, very different in terms

670
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: of what they bring to a team. But I'd like

671
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: to see the Chargers for many different players go try

672
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: to work the compics that way.

673
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's an element that I wish

674
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: was a greater piece of the Chargers plan previously because

675
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: I think you know a lot of these guys like there,

676
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: they didn't work out for certain reasons, right, And maybe

677
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: it doesn't work out for the Charterers, but it's about

678
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: maximizing your value and being able to give yourself extra

679
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: opportunities in ways that you might have not previously done.

680
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 2: I mean the forty nine Ers and in other position

681
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: groups have done that same thing along the defensive line

682
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: obviously with Chris Kasurk, who is probably the best defensive

683
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: line coach in the league. So they can take that

684
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: kind of risk. But yeah, like when we made this plan,

685
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: like my I guess my catch RaSE for like my

686
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: my group was going to be like where's the beef,

687
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: Like where's like this is Wendy's like I need some

688
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: beef up the middle, and so ground Glass I was

689
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: gonna be the first guy. Ajon Robinson was gonna be

690
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: the second guy you brought up Dereck Henry, so natural

691
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: transitions to Zach Moss. But Ajon Robinson is my other

692
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: player here for where's the beef? This is an into

693
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: your defensive lineman for formerly of the New York Giants,

694
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: and he's not been necessarily tied to this current regime,

695
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: but the Giants had Wink Martindell, who jesse Minter learned

696
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: under for quite some time. Ashawan Robinson has also played

697
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 2: with the Los Angeles Rams, which was previously coordinated by

698
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley, who there is some overlap, as we learned

699
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: from Cody Alexander, between what the defensive line room specifically

700
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: is required of them in Brandon Staley's defense to jesse

701
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: Mincher's defense, and so there, I think this is a

702
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: world where a Shawn Robinson would come in with a

703
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: strong grasp of the scheme. He is a very large

704
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: human being, and I was surprised to learn that he

705
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: was still only twenty eight years old. I feel like

706
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: he's been in the league forever. But that's what happens

707
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: when you get drafted when you're like twenty from Alabama.

708
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: But you look at the numbers here, he was among

709
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: seventy six intoieer defensive lineman with fifty percent of their

710
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: team's run defense maps. So this is this is the

711
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: run defense guys. Ashawn Robinson was third in total run

712
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: stops with thirty six and first in run stop percentage

713
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: with fourteen point one percent. It was twenty seventh in

714
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: average depth of tackle in terms of average depth of

715
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: tackle from PFF. And he's only gonna cost you, according

716
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: to Brad six million dollars per year. And again, the

717
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: charters are in a space where they can't really afford

718
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: to go big fish hunting. But let's get some competency

719
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: at these positions where they're lacking. And for me, like

720
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: into your offensive line, defensive tackle, running back, Like that's

721
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: really what I'm seeking in free agency. This is how

722
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: you get creative and aggressive and free agency without having

723
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: the resources to do. So, let's just go get a

724
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: guy who can stabilize the floor of this position group

725
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: play a specific role for us. We know the charters

726
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: are going to prioritize like big run stuffing defensive tackles

727
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: under Jesse Minter, Ashaun Robinson, I think is that.

728
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: I agree it with so much of watching the more

729
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: specifically Michigan because now I've watched i think eight Michigan

730
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: defense of prospects in this upcoming class.

731
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: Yea, so many in the combine.

732
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: And they're all really good, Like they're all pretty darn good,

733
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: which is pretty cool that the Chargers might inherit a

734
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: lot of that development. But it was so apparent watching

735
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: the defense for Jesse Minter, like defensive tackle, and the

736
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: way these guys play is so important and they have

737
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: to be you know, the guys behind them, the linebackers

738
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: behind them, or maybe the nickel blitz like those are

739
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: the guys that end up making the play. So they

740
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: blitz and they get a QB hit or a pressure

741
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: or tackle for loss or whatever it is. But those

742
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 3: guys up front have to do their jobs of the

743
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: guys behind them go and go ahead and make those

744
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: big splash plays. So definitely wanted to go with Robinson.

745
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: You stole them, but it was a good call. Oh good,

746
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: Sorry about that one, Tyler.

747
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: But like the I think these are the kind of

748
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 2: the rooms that we're talking about pursuing a free agency

749
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: for the Chargers, a lot.

750
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: Of a lot of beef upfront depth.

751
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: So I'm curious to see ultimately with the processes here.

752
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: But Tyler, you have one other one and then maybe

753
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: we get to some extras, extra fun ones at that.

754
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 3: You don't get to some of your ones, I'm gonna

755
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: steal them, but I'm gonna stick with mine because I

756
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: really like yours. I'll stick with mine. And it's a

757
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: player that I hope never sees the field. But the

758
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: Chargers absolutely need a backup quarterback, so I am going

759
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 3: with Tyrod Taylor in this particular case. There's certainly familiarity there, right,

760
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 3: there's a played for the Chargers, obviously, but also with

761
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: Greg Roman and was drafted by the Ravens and Joe

762
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: Ortiz and with Andy Bischoff. The Chargers need run game

763
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: court in a slash tight ends coach. But like the

764
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: honest truth is, we've seen Justin Herbert go down with

765
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 3: some pretty serious injuries. Some he's he's fought through and

766
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: stayed in the game and played through. Some have ended

767
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: his season like this past one. And the Chargers, you know,

768
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 3: do I think that this backup quarterback or any backup

769
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 3: quarterback is going to carry them through the postseason into

770
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl this year, like, no, but the Chargers

771
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 3: need to give themselves a fighting chance. And we just

772
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: talked about you know, Hortez and how he wants to

773
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: make sure we're looking at every possible advantage we can

774
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: and being prepared and end of the season or beginning

775
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: of the season, preseason, you name it, like, we're gonna

776
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: go find players to make sure we're ready in case

777
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: something happens. And a quarterback is big insurance for that. Obviously,

778
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: backup quarterback like Tyrod Taylor. Look, am I expecting four

779
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: hundred yards a game? No, but the Chargers need someone

780
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 3: who can come in run this offense, literally run in

781
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: this offense too. I think Tyrod Taylor brings that. So

782
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: it's a very inexpensive contract. Again, I hope he never

783
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: sees the field. That is the hope for every NFL team,

784
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 3: every NFL fan. They don't want to see the backup

785
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: quarterback on the field unless it's a forty point blowout,

786
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: which hey, I'll take, but they need somebody. They really

787
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: do need a backup quarterback. It's not the most intriguing

788
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: exciting free agent, you know, add by any means, but

789
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 3: it's insurance and it's important and Unfortunately we've seen Herbert

790
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: go down a couple of times last few seasons.

791
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's also extra value here in Tyron

792
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: Taylor knows how Greg Ruman wants to run the offense.

793
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 2: And not to say that Justin Herbert needs that extra help,

794
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: but it's always helpful. Like the backup quarterback position, if

795
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: you are doing it right, is essentially like another quarterback coach,

796
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: and so it's an extra set of eyes. Obviously, we

797
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: know that Justin and Esen Stick are very close, and

798
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: you know, I wouldn't rule that return out either, but

799
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna want to prioritize somebody who can run, and

800
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: Greg Roman can have that kind of stabilized floor with

801
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: the quarterback run game.

802
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: If anything happens.

803
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: So whether it's Stick or Tyrod or somebody else who

804
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: can run, somebody who's familiar with the kind of offense that

805
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: they want to run, I think that's where you're kind

806
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: of looking for a backup quarterback. And I think you

807
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: know Max Duggan they drafted.

808
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: In the seventh round. He was cut several times.

809
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: I'd be pretty surprised if they entered the season with

810
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: him as QB two. Like I think they are going

811
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: to make some kind of transaction there. Whether that's another

812
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: you know, late round draft pick or veteran or something

813
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: like that, we'll see. But I think they're going to

814
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: want some competition for that spot. Maybe it's somebody like

815
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: Tyroll that's obviously the kind of the higher end of competition.

816
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 2: But I would not be surprised at all if they.

817
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: And if it ends up being Tyler Huntley, I will

818
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: leave you alone for forty five minutes on the podcast.

819
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: Well you just you just talk about your Utah guys.

820
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: Hey, just give me all the Utah guys. I mean,

821
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: it's worked out well for the Chargers in the past,

822
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: but it is what it.

823
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: Is, all right.

824
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: Last one here for me, I need the Chargers to

825
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: add a tight end. A good blocking tight end is

826
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: what I desire from free agency. I don't necessarily need

827
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: that guy to be a great receiver, but you know,

828
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: I every time I turned on the Chargers tape, I

829
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: just I needed that good blocking tight end. And Jim

830
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: Harbaugh and Greg Roman need that good blocking tight ends.

831
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: I've always had one wherever they're at. So there's there's

832
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: a few different places that I think they could look.

833
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: I think Brad mentioned Adam Trautman as as a potential

834
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: fit for the Broncos. That's what I'm not opposed to.

835
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: But the Chargers did hire Sanjay Lal from the Seattle Seahawks,

836
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: and the Seahawks tight end room was my favorite tight

837
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: end room to watch every single time I watched it.

838
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: They could choose no offense from that room if they

839
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: wanted to. But Kobe Parkinson, I think is going to

840
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: be very, very cheap. He's a fantastic run blocker. According

841
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: to PFFS metrics, how much stock you put into those

842
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: you know is whatever is but out of tight ends

843
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: with at least twenty percent of their respective teams run

844
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: blocking snaps, Kobe Parkinson ranked eighth out of eighty three

845
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: qualified tight ends, and specifically he was twenty first in

846
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: gap power run. So the Seattle Seahawks ran a lot

847
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: of outside zone Shane Waldron's comes from that Sean McVay tree,

848
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: but when they would go to the gap and power stuff,

849
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 2: it was often Kobe Parkinson who was their tight end

850
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: of choice as a blocker. So he's a guy who,

851
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: like I would definitely trust as setting the edge, cutting

852
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: out the backside. You know, he's a quality pass protector

853
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: as well, and he went to Stanford. He did not

854
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: play for Stanford when Jim Harbaugh was there, but he

855
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: probably was recruited by Jim Harbaught in some extent depending

856
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: on the timeline there. But I think there's a lot

857
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: of parallel there in terms of like what Stanford is

858
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: obviously valued at tight ends even with David Shaw, and

859
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: you know, Jim harbabbly for him, and I just think

860
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: he fits perfectly what this this regime and look for.

861
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: There are other tight ends out there, but Kobe Parkinson

862
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: was very rarely used the passing game. I think there

863
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: is some more upside there. This is kind of a

864
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: low cost, high reward chance at tight end for me,

865
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 2: loyal listeners of the show. No, I've wanted Kobe Parkinson

866
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 2: in the charters for years. The last two trade deadlines,

867
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: I mentioned him as a trade target because the Seahawks

868
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: have had an awesome tight end room, So Kobe Parkinson

869
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: would be a great choice for blocking tight end. I

870
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: just need somebody to come in here and be competent,

871
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: and I've always had a thing for Parkinson.

872
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been discussing Kobe Parkinson since I feel like

873
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 3: for twenty seven years. At this point, like my entire life,

874
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: I feel like I've just been talking about Kobe Parkinson,

875
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: like let's trade for him, or it's Cole commit.

876
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: But now they don't cost them a pick. They just

877
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: probably cost it. You just probably cost it.

878
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 3: Like just two million dollars. Whoever's got that, feel free

879
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: to spend it. This tight end class, I have not

880
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: watched many tight ends. I don't have a lot of

881
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: enthusiasm to watch this tight end class outside of brock Bowers.

882
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 3: But from those that I've watched and from everything you hear,

883
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: even just looking at the consensus board, it's not a

884
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 3: great class for tight ends. It is not like last

885
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: year's class where I feel like every other pick was

886
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: a good tight end. It's not really a great class.

887
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 3: And even then, if you like some of these tight ends,

888
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 3: they're not all great blocking tight ends. You know, Sanders,

889
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: I think is a pretty solid tight end prospect. It's

890
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: not really the same kind of blocker that Kobe Parkinson is.

891
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 3: So I think the Chargers adding a tight end at

892
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 3: any point in free agency would be smart for them.

893
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: Just have that in your back pocket or as your

894
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 3: starter or whoever. Just knowing that you can go into

895
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: the draft. Don't feel like you have to reach for

896
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 3: a tight end or get a tight end that doesn't

897
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: really fit because you didn't get one in free agency.

898
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Okay, Tyler, did you have a sure?

899
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: Why do I just keep with positions that are typically

900
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 3: considered not the premium positions. Let's go with linebacker because

901
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: why not. I went with an expense of running back,

902
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: and I'll go with an expensive linebacker, and that's Frankie

903
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 3: Luvu from the Panthers. I don't know what the situation

904
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 3: is going to be for the Chargers. How much do

905
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: they believe in Dan Henley, Nickneman, how much do they

906
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: believe in Eric Kendricks. How much are these guys going

907
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: to play? I don't know, But as I said, I

908
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: watched a lot of Michigan and it was apparent, sure

909
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: watching the defensive tackles, but also very apparent watching the

910
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 3: linebackers play. In particular, you have to have linebackers for

911
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: jesse mentor to just destroy protection calls by rushing the passer.

912
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: I think this bears out with the Ravens as well.

913
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 3: With like Patrick Queen, he rushed the eighth most times

914
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: in the NFL last year Michael Barrett Junior Colson, the

915
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: two Michigan linebackers rushed over one hundred times. I believe

916
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 3: Michael Barrett was second in this class and pass rush

917
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 3: win rate or pass rush grade, like it is very

918
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 3: important for this defense to be able to rush the

919
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 3: passer from that BAP, from the A gap, to put

920
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: different pressures on the quarterback and on the offensive line

921
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: and the protections. We saw that obviously with the with

922
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: the Ravens when they played the charges and what they

923
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: were able to do there. And Louvu is someone who

924
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: was number one in pass rush grade last year eighth

925
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: and pass rush win rate, I can barely say that

926
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: sometimes I think I got at that time, and I

927
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: just think that's so important for this defense. Again, a

928
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: bit expensive. We'll see what the room looks like and

929
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 3: who they believe in and who they want to continue

930
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: to work with as a starter in the scheme. But

931
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 3: linebacker is so important. And again one you know it's important,

932
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: like with Derek Henry, with like Greg Roman, sure, but

933
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 3: I also feel like there needs to be some sort

934
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: of precedent to talk about like a linebacker getting this

935
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: kind of money, and I think that we see with

936
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: the Ravens sort of like running back, like they do

937
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 3: want to invest in this position where it's considered, you know,

938
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: not our premium position. The Ravens had no problem investing

939
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: in linebacker, obviously a first rounder for Patrick Queen, but

940
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: then they gave up two picks for Roe Kwan Smith

941
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 3: and gave him a five year, one hundred million dollar contract,

942
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: and that was important for their defense. That's a big contract.

943
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: And this is definitely not that Louvu is definitely not

944
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: getting a five year, hundred million dollar contract, but it

945
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: is important for this scheme to have run linebackers, excuse me,

946
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: who can blitz and put pressure on the line in

947
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks. And there is a precedent with the Ravens

948
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: of them going out and spending this much money, so

949
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 3: I think it is at least worth bringing up either

950
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 3: Louvu or any other linebacker who can rush the passer.

951
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 3: You could include Drew Treankle with that as well, because

952
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: he's very good at doing that. Because I think it's

953
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: important for this scheme and as a president there.

954
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's a good call.

955
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot of the film community who really like

956
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: Frankie Luvu, and it is going to be interesting to

957
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: see what happens at the linebacker position. You know, the

958
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: Chargers want to free up some extra cap space. You know,

959
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: they could certainly cut Eric Kendricks, but maybe they want

960
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: to keep Eric Hendricks to be that kind of mentor

961
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: for the next group of linebackers. So it's gonna be

962
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: interesting you see there quickly. I do think the Chargers

963
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: are going to be in the market for some kind

964
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: of defensive back, not an expensive one, but they have

965
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: a lot of needs a defensive back. Really, the only

966
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: starters of like your if you like have your course

967
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: six defensive backs, I think you have Asante and you

968
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 2: have Derwin obviously, but I think the other spots are

969
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: up for grabs right now.

970
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: So I do think the Chargers could be in the

971
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: market for.

972
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: Maybe a slot corner, maybe a free safety, you know,

973
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: like a Deshaun Elliott or like a Jordan Fuller type

974
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: of player. So I am curious to see what the

975
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: avenues are for adding defensive backs because like linebackers, like

976
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: you look at the stuff that Michigan has done with

977
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: Mike saymers Still and Daxon Hill, like, they need versatility

978
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: at safety and it can't just be their Yeah.

979
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I didn't have a particular name to bring up

980
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: as like this is the defensive back that I have

981
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: to have, But I'm glad you brought it up because

982
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: they could go with Jordan Lewis, the slot cornerback for

983
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 3: the Cowboys. They go with rock Yohnston, they could go

984
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: with Ronald Darby, the two former Ravens. They can go

985
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 3: with Kenny Moore. I'm not saying that they're going to

986
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: go out and get an elite great defensive back that

987
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: I just don't have the kind of money to go

988
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: out and spend twenty million dollars on a defensive back.

989
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: But they just need bodies, and they definitely need a

990
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 3: veteran presence there. Maybe their first pick in the first

991
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: round they trade back and take a corner. It'd be

992
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 3: great to have someone who's been there, done that, ben

993
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 3: league for a very long time who could really help

994
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: guide that the individual. Not that Derwin can't thought that

995
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: a Sante Samuel junior camp, but there's something about those

996
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 3: like seven, eight, nine year veterans that could be out

997
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: there to help. So any of these guys who have

998
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 3: been there, done that and maybe even understand the scheme.

999
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: I think would be a really good call.

1000
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, guys, that's going to do it for

1001
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: us today. Tyler, any final thoughts before we head out.

1002
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: We are so close to free agency, man, like the

1003
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: offseason wins, They're almost here. I'm really excited.

1004
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have a ton of coverage for you

1005
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: guys on Free agency week. By the time this is out,

1006
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: Tyler and I will have an episode specifically about how

1007
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: the Chargers address cornerback on our channel, So please go

1008
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: check that out. Make sure like, subscribe, comment, give us

1009
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: a ratiing review on the Chargers feeds.

1010
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: All that stuff really does help us out, so we

1011
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 3: appreciate you there.

1012
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: That's gonna do it for us today. We'll see you

1013
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 2: guys next week and as always, full time