Speaker 1: It's to three am in tomorrow Land and you're listening
Speaker 1: Tonight Call. Hello everybody, and welcome to Night Call, the
Speaker 1: podcast for your strange days and lonely nights. I'm Molly
Speaker 1: Lambert and with me today in Los Angeles is Tess
Speaker 1: Lynch and Ellie Ward and joining us from New York
Speaker 1: as always, Emily Yoshida. I'm back, baby, back back from
Speaker 1: France from the fronts our guest today, very special guests
Speaker 1: we're very excited about is Ali Ward. Eight Daytime Emmy
Speaker 1: Award winning correspondent for Innovation Nation with Mo Rocca and
Speaker 1: the host of the Oologies podcast, which is one of
Speaker 1: the top twenty science podcast as in the world and
Speaker 1: it's amazing. You have to listen to Ologies. Every episode
Speaker 1: is an interview with an ologist of some kind. Um.
Speaker 1: So it covers a lot of different topics and it's
Speaker 1: really cool. And Al was also we've known it for
Speaker 1: a long time. We were excited to have her on
Speaker 1: the podcast today currently blushing um. So we were going
Speaker 1: to start out just welcoming Emily back from can Bonjeur
Speaker 1: A bon sir, I guess I should say for um
Speaker 1: for the Night callers out there, Emily how jet lagged
Speaker 1: are you? Oh, I'm I'm actually fine right now. Not
Speaker 1: gond Last last year I was jet lagged in a
Speaker 1: way I've never been in my life. That lasted for
Speaker 1: about an hour or not an hour a week, uh,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I was underwater the entire time.
Speaker 1: Maybe last time it was an hour, but it felt
Speaker 1: like a week, because yeah, that's actually totally possible in
Speaker 1: my recollection of it. Well, Richard Lawson was also coming
Speaker 1: back from can and he was doing some really good
Speaker 1: tweets about jet lag that we're like, the best way
Speaker 1: to get through jet lag is to renounce the idea
Speaker 1: of time. That's very true. No, I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time with with Richard and and can can is.
Speaker 1: This is the third time I went, And it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a weird summer camp with more ball gowns
Speaker 1: and you kind of have to have those people that
Speaker 1: you hold onto is your pillars of sanity. And Richard
Speaker 1: was definitely one of those people for me there, so
Speaker 1: I'm I'm grateful to him as always. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was a very straight I did see
Speaker 1: some movies I saw. I saw not quite as many
Speaker 1: as I think I usually do it's It was sort
Speaker 1: of an odd year, um at least in terms of
Speaker 1: American coverage of films, because there's there were a fewer
Speaker 1: things that I think like a lot of American audiences
Speaker 1: care about, which is whatever. Black. I still saw some
Speaker 1: like good movies, but ones that are hard to like
Speaker 1: tell people about because it's just like I just round
Speaker 1: a description of the Gas for No A movie, and
Speaker 1: I was like, that's you, guys, the Gas Barny movie
Speaker 1: was the best movie it can and I am so
Speaker 1: excited for you to see it. The description was like
Speaker 1: a bunch of people get together, drink sangria and go insane.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's basically it. Uh it's but it's really incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is if if if I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk about one movie on night Call, It's going to
Speaker 1: be this movie because it feels appropriate for us. It's
Speaker 1: like one of the only things that came out of
Speaker 1: immediately was like on Twitter trying to hype up because
Speaker 1: I was so excited about it. Um he cast this.
Speaker 1: I think it had to be almost thirty dancers um
Speaker 1: that are sort of this ensemble and they're led by
Speaker 1: Sophia Boutella of Uh, what Kingsman, she was the Mummy.
Speaker 1: She's the New Mummy and the terrible New Mummy movie
Speaker 1: that nobody she's Yeah, it's a lady Mummy. Yeah she
Speaker 1: has face tests shot as hell. Yeah. I would see
Speaker 1: bullowards and I was like, I don't want to see
Speaker 1: the movie, but I like her hair. So she is
Speaker 1: awesome in it. And the movie is garbage, but she's
Speaker 1: amazing in it. But Climax, it's just like it kind
Speaker 1: of it's I also thought after I saw it, it's
Speaker 1: sort of like a mother for me because it involves
Speaker 1: like dance sequences and uh, psychotic freakouts and and LSD
Speaker 1: and stuff, and it very much isn't that kind of
Speaker 1: thing of like a thing that seems sort of normal
Speaker 1: at first quickly turns into chaos and like children aren't
Speaker 1: risk and stuff like that. I think I told you
Speaker 1: and tests privately, but I wanted debut this fact on
Speaker 1: the podcast because it's amazing. I interviewed Hero Murai, the
Speaker 1: director of This Is America the video, for The New
Speaker 1: York Times, and he said that one of the main
Speaker 1: things that inspired the This Is American video was the
Speaker 1: end of Mother Mother Hive. Allie did you see mother? Y'all?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen mummy. I haven't seen mother, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen anything else from the people. I need to break
Speaker 1: a femur or a collar bone and a ski accident
Speaker 1: just up. Do you want us to misery you? Is
Speaker 1: that what you're saying? Yes, I'd like you to break
Speaker 1: at least one of my ankles and just let me
Speaker 1: chill out misery. But podcast dummy garage, as long as
Speaker 1: it's consentual, this would be a great place to missery somebody.
Speaker 1: It would I like, maybe I would missery and somebody
Speaker 1: just to make them watch the entire Marvel cinematic universe.
Speaker 1: So statistic, there's also a really plausible like misery podcaster
Speaker 1: scenario where somebody's like the Cappy Bates who like finds
Speaker 1: Mark Marin and change them to the bed, makes me
Speaker 1: do a podcast talk to me to play Misty for me.
Speaker 1: I feel like I mentioned play Missy for me on
Speaker 1: this podcast a lot, because that's what all podcasting. It's
Speaker 1: really hard to not think of play Misty for me
Speaker 1: when you're talking into a microphone being like your strange
Speaker 1: days and lonely nights. Guys. One thing that happened while
Speaker 1: Emily was in Can that we texted about. She texted
Speaker 1: us about it from Can because it was it was
Speaker 1: an emergency situation. Agency was the met Ball debut of
Speaker 1: Elon Musk and Grimes. I can't believe you guys didn't
Speaker 1: talk about this when when we were off or when
Speaker 1: I was or considerate friends. Yeah. I mean I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that because I feel like so much they're still dating,
Speaker 1: you know, Are you sure? Have you checked today? Yeah?
Speaker 1: She changed. There was another story about changing her name
Speaker 1: to a lower class c. Bet Ali has feelings about
Speaker 1: this as a person who cares about science and also
Speaker 1: probably hates Delon. Well, here's the thing. So her name
Speaker 1: is Claire, but she changed her her first name because
Speaker 1: she's like, I've never felt like a Claire ever since
Speaker 1: I was born. I just didn't feel like a Claire.
Speaker 1: And it's like anyone with the name Claire, I immediately
Speaker 1: assume you were born rich, like you have a trust fund.
Speaker 1: Your name of Claire, you have a trust fund? And
Speaker 1: Oliver being the male equivalent of Claire. Yes, Charles Hunter, Hunter,
Speaker 1: you're right. Hunter. My friend got me into the reality
Speaker 1: show Made in Chelsea, which is the British equivalent of
Speaker 1: the pilt and it's like TV zann X. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so zannex to because everyone has British vocal fry and
Speaker 1: so boring and posh. But literally the name, the main
Speaker 1: girl's name is Caggi Taggi dunlop, oh my god, the
Speaker 1: name of the Elsie um. And she's very charming. She's
Speaker 1: just like Elsie. She's like the down to earth rich um.
Speaker 1: But I feel like, if your name is Claire, she's like,
Speaker 1: I gotta get away from this. Let's let's go full
Speaker 1: till the opposite way. Let's call myself Grimes. And then
Speaker 1: I think she just decided to change her first name
Speaker 1: to the lower case ce italicized, which is the which
Speaker 1: is like the Roman yeah, the word for light, which
Speaker 1: I saw. A friend of mine who's an astrophysicists tweeted like,
Speaker 1: is this something cute? Because Elon Musk is like mc
Speaker 1: so mc and you know, equals what if. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. But there was also
Speaker 1: that there was that meme going around that was like
Speaker 1: this is what every kinky Polly couple looking for a
Speaker 1: third It's like totally true. They're totally into the choker,
Speaker 1: the like the the collering, it's all like it's so gross.
Speaker 1: I want none of it. But like, just don't let
Speaker 1: him keep pouring your glasses and wine and at dinner
Speaker 1: party he's just disgusting and he's like a terrible person.
Speaker 1: It's the real issue. But don't, Sugar, how do you
Speaker 1: really feel? I feel like I'm like, if she has
Speaker 1: any friends who are smart, like I want them to
Speaker 1: just like Slipper the stuff about the like union stuff,
Speaker 1: because that's what makes them so bad is that he's
Speaker 1: like anti union. People die in the factories and people
Speaker 1: die in the self driving cars, and he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to release the numbers of the safety statistics. Part of
Speaker 1: the hell world that we live in is it's like
Speaker 1: anyone you ever wrote like a positive like music review
Speaker 1: about because I come back to haunt you, I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't listen to music about Elon Musk. That's like
Speaker 1: Darcy had that tweet that was just like I am
Speaker 1: so mad. I just realized I'm gonna have to listen
Speaker 1: to love songs, but you don't have to listen to
Speaker 1: it when that happens, like, uh, friend of the Pod
Speaker 1: Alex Papaimis has said that the funniest thing about like
Speaker 1: Joanna Newsom songs is remembering that they're about Andy Sandberg.
Speaker 1: You know, well some of them are about Bill Callen.
Speaker 1: Uh no, I I so I actually Ellen and Grimes
Speaker 1: worked their way into a review of mine. It can
Speaker 1: because there's a movie that's really good that is like
Speaker 1: I think other people are way more like hyperbolically in
Speaker 1: love with this movie than I am. But this Korean
Speaker 1: movie called Bernie is based on Americami short story. But um,
Speaker 1: there's sort of this idea in it that's like played
Speaker 1: to really creepy effect of just this rich guy kind
Speaker 1: of like vampireing the youthful creative like desperate energy off
Speaker 1: of this kind of younger um in her case, like
Speaker 1: really poor girl and just like being amused by her
Speaker 1: striving and wanting to be like communicate something and be
Speaker 1: different and just sort of like watching her and like
Speaker 1: sucking energy. I was like, this is the most recent
Speaker 1: example of us, even though I don't I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think that she is like, you know, hurting in
Speaker 1: any way financially, but she's not that young. She's like
Speaker 1: almost thirty, I think, And it's not like quite. I
Speaker 1: mean he's he's older than I thought I think too
Speaker 1: or something. I feel bad that what if she was
Speaker 1: what if she was born just into like a lower
Speaker 1: middle class family that just like she siler, she wasn't okay?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I had a friend that went to the
Speaker 1: rent Fair this weekend and this is the first time
Speaker 1: he's been sober ever, and so he's like, it's real
Speaker 1: different when you're sober, usually just like blind drunk. When
Speaker 1: he goes, and I was like, are you having fun?
Speaker 1: And he's like, it's very community theater and he's like
Speaker 1: everyone here looks like Elon Musk and Grimes. It's all true,
Speaker 1: and I gets nerdy renfair couples. I love her in
Speaker 1: the context of the Rent Fair, but something about this
Speaker 1: which is like techno fascist rest, that's the problem. You
Speaker 1: no thanks, So you know she's gonna find his like
Speaker 1: basement full of dead wives, like any moment, they're all
Speaker 1: going to be robots though. Yeah, I mean, I just
Speaker 1: wonder if if amber Heard has reached out yet and
Speaker 1: if they've compared any notes. Look, you know, I hope
Speaker 1: this is all part of an Ocean's eight where it's
Speaker 1: like I like that idea. Everybody like, yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: I was like, I hope the Amber heard is like
Speaker 1: hoisting him for her girlfriend, and you know, do what
Speaker 1: you have to do to divest guys. Speaking of goths,
Speaker 1: we got a request to talk about the goths of Disneyland.
Speaker 1: And what better subject for a night call than talking
Speaker 1: about the goths of Disneyland. Combining all of our interests.
Speaker 1: The timely peg is that Disneyland is screwing over the
Speaker 1: goths of Disneyland because they don't care about them, and
Speaker 1: they don't care about fans of Disneyland obviously, and they
Speaker 1: just want to make all the Marvel stuff in the
Speaker 1: park and force it all, force out all the real people,
Speaker 1: to which my feeling is like, build a separate park,
Speaker 1: build a Marvel park, don't turn Disneyland into just the
Speaker 1: all Marvel and Star Wars park, because I personally don't care.
Speaker 1: Probably it's still Disneyland. They still have to pay to
Speaker 1: get into it. It's not like it's not like a neighborhood,
Speaker 1: not a neighborhood utopia. No, But you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the things I find charming about it are like the
Speaker 1: fandoms and stuff like that fandom for Disneyland has always
Speaker 1: been like, by far the best Disneyland fandom. Why would Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never been a bad stay, but I did. I
Speaker 1: did grow up. I started dyeing my hair black at
Speaker 1: like twelve, and my have very curly hair, and my
Speaker 1: sisters would sing Share songs to me to taught me,
Speaker 1: and I was like no. Every time I hear like
Speaker 1: if I could turn back time in like a store
Speaker 1: or something, I just start getting flashbacks to um. I
Speaker 1: was just going to mention Share because I was going
Speaker 1: to mention Moonstrack in the context Elon Muskin Grimes, because
Speaker 1: there's that power where it's like, why do men chase
Speaker 1: young women because they were afraid of death? Yes, and
Speaker 1: that's what I think is going on with Elon Muskin Grimes.
Speaker 1: I do think he is vampiring on her for her,
Speaker 1: like her non non Elon Muskiness. I bet they do
Speaker 1: dumb drinking blood stuff. I bet they do dumb boken
Speaker 1: me and Grove like Orgies with the rich and powerful
Speaker 1: boring orgies. Orgies, Orgies. Ali, why were you so golf?
Speaker 1: You know? I grew up in this town that was
Speaker 1: wealthier than we were, but had good schools and So
Speaker 1: there were people like like Hill the guard in my
Speaker 1: high school and I just transferred there in sixth grades,
Speaker 1: and I's like, you've never been to a Benetton store.
Speaker 1: You don't have anything Benettit Your kids like no, And
Speaker 1: so I think I just was like, well fucked, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not going to assimilate that way. So
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go head the other directions. So I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I only where old military things
Speaker 1: I get from just from thrift stores. Before you know,
Speaker 1: it's a slippery slope. You're wearing a black eyeliners lipstick.
Speaker 1: You guys, how long? How long was this period of
Speaker 1: your life? Probably like thirteen to like two commitment. I know,
Speaker 1: I went to l A and was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: guess it doesn't work here. It's just is the best
Speaker 1: place to be a golf I didn't know that I
Speaker 1: didn't find my people yet. I I remember I drove
Speaker 1: down to like go to Helter Skelter a couple of
Speaker 1: times when I was like in college, but I never
Speaker 1: went to a bad day, but it always I found
Speaker 1: it very endearing that so many goths would congregate in
Speaker 1: the daylight, because that is not of course that's not
Speaker 1: so many parasols. Yeah. I love that picture of the
Speaker 1: Cure at the beach. I've never seen it. It's so funny.
Speaker 1: They're the Cure, but they're at the beach and they
Speaker 1: look so uncomfortable. I think it's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that to me is like the so called so cow goth,
Speaker 1: because I'll go I think there is a thing where
Speaker 1: people go in this beach goth direction where you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to wear all the clothes because who expects
Speaker 1: that in a hundred degree weather, at least of all
Speaker 1: you wearing all the clothes. That's what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: hard to be GoF here because it's like what do
Speaker 1: you do? Like the black tank talk, just like pastel goth.
Speaker 1: I mean, my real the real reason I could never
Speaker 1: be the go because I tried. I tried in seventh grade.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna be goth, but I like,
Speaker 1: I don't like wearing black, And every time I wear black,
Speaker 1: I'm like this is I always feel like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to go to a coral performance. Yeah, there's some
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, I was like a closet goth
Speaker 1: kind of in a very literal sense, like I had
Speaker 1: a closet that had a bunch of goth stuff in
Speaker 1: it that was no, by no means my daily wardrobe.
Speaker 1: But everyone WoT I did have a goth closet. I
Speaker 1: had like knee high lace up boots that were like
Speaker 1: pointy and had like a heel that I couldn't walk in.
Speaker 1: I had all these like black petticoats and like, uh,
Speaker 1: like anything that my grandma had that I could take,
Speaker 1: like inherited from her that was black. I would take
Speaker 1: so all this sort of like decrepit lacy ship and
Speaker 1: every once in a while I would have a goth day,
Speaker 1: which was always a great uh source of self expression.
Speaker 1: I think I wanted to be able to commit more
Speaker 1: to being a goth, but I also wanted to like
Speaker 1: do other things too. But gods hate Halloween just because
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who are like looking
Speaker 1: gods today and you're like every day And it was
Speaker 1: always like I remember I was in college, my first
Speaker 1: year of college, and I can't walked into my dorm
Speaker 1: room and my not goth roommate was wearing all of
Speaker 1: my clothes and she's like from and Louena, I'm you,
Speaker 1: but sexy, like it was very it's rude. She ended
Speaker 1: up not being a great roommate, but shocker, I what
Speaker 1: an assholet but sexy, like I know, I know. I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I wasn't virgin, and I did say
Speaker 1: magic and gathering a lot, so she had a point.
Speaker 1: I was in the way I were a lot of
Speaker 1: Nobody got laid more in college than the people who
Speaker 1: played magic the Gathering, at least at our calls. The
Speaker 1: Larbers had like the biggest sex scene. They were all
Speaker 1: every weekend too. It was like, you have no plans,
Speaker 1: but the Larbers do. They're not invited. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: you lartin was like the most uninhibited thing you can
Speaker 1: do in public in a group. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: a really good precursor to sex. It's also the thing
Speaker 1: where Polly people sometimes are just like talking really loudly
Speaker 1: about all the stuff they do, and you're like, this
Speaker 1: is gross to hear about. I don't want to really
Speaker 1: think about you guys all fucking like sorry, it's fine
Speaker 1: that you do it. But I do feel though, like
Speaker 1: but with bad stay, I feel very proud of them
Speaker 1: that they didn't organize that around Halloween, like Halloween is
Speaker 1: for amateurs. We're doing this in the spring. And also
Speaker 1: it was toward June, right, which is like June gloom happened,
Speaker 1: but they stopped organizing it, right. No, what happened was
Speaker 1: they don't have the money to keep the like the stuff,
Speaker 1: the bonus stuff going. They still have it basically where
Speaker 1: it's like the day, but they did this whole like
Speaker 1: fair around it where people could sell all their like oh,
Speaker 1: Haunted Mansion art and stuff and kitchy Disneyland goth stuff.
Speaker 1: So sad they're gonna have to don's Very Farm, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean that's very I was gonna say that's way
Speaker 1: better for god. Very Farm is the goth is placed
Speaker 1: on it's so it's actually awesome. And I interviewed Alvira there,
Speaker 1: and I went and saw Elvira there. It's amazing and
Speaker 1: she's like the ultimate like so cow goth. And then
Speaker 1: when I interviewed her, like she was like, I used
Speaker 1: to have a really goth house that was all like
Speaker 1: spider stuff everywhere and like just you know, dark and gloomy,
Speaker 1: and she's like, and now I have like a beautiful,
Speaker 1: airy like California home with like little devils everywhere and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, California goth and she was like, yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: Like that's so maybe they need to do Goth Scary
Speaker 1: Farm or something, or Goth's Ferry Farm. Halloween Horror Knights
Speaker 1: is amazing. I've never I have okay, I've never been,
Speaker 1: and I thought I was too scared to go, and
Speaker 1: then I went and it was so fun. I didn't
Speaker 1: even do any of the mazes. I just walked through
Speaker 1: the scare zones, which is like they just pump horror
Speaker 1: fog at your people come up behind you and go
Speaker 1: like mull um, and it was really fun. I can
Speaker 1: appreciate it, even though it's like, really not my pleasure
Speaker 1: center to be touched by people. They don't touch you,
Speaker 1: that's that's always they touch you, but they get so close.
Speaker 1: They get so close, but they're so indie it is
Speaker 1: really community. I don't know. I went to the Haunted
Speaker 1: hay Ride last year in this scary clown with a
Speaker 1: chainsack but got right in my face and the number
Speaker 1: when he looked like zac Alfanakis, which was adorable. I'm
Speaker 1: not scared of you. You look amazing, and he had
Speaker 1: such fresh breath that it ruined it so minty, like
Speaker 1: you need to smell like lentils and call really scared
Speaker 1: of you don't like that, you know. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I heard it was scary. Though I heard that that
Speaker 1: one I almost took my five year old and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, what am I doing. He's afraid of coraline, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not on the show him that it's pretty scary. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: the button eyes are scary. There's it also is like
Speaker 1: a scary concept. I mean, coraline is frightening. This week,
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Speaker 1: you ever go. I was very briefly GoF in I
Speaker 1: think seventh grade and I but I was. It was
Speaker 1: just aesthetically GoF. So I dyed my hair block in
Speaker 1: my bedroom, like the bathroom that was attached to it,
Speaker 1: so my parents couldn't find out. And then they saw
Speaker 1: the next obviously they found out and they were like yikes.
Speaker 1: And I would like slick back my black hair and
Speaker 1: I had like almost no eyebrows. I was just putting
Speaker 1: it out front because they made at my school, they
Speaker 1: made us there was like compulsory um, team sports and
Speaker 1: long days and just not my vibe at all. So
Speaker 1: I think I was just kind of advertising like I'm
Speaker 1: not into any of this, you know, besides outfits. What
Speaker 1: was the most goth thing that you all were into
Speaker 1: when in your goth phase? Like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: this counts as goth, but Tessa that I were witches
Speaker 1: and we had a cover, we had a coven, we
Speaker 1: had a coven for like years. It was like years. Okay,
Speaker 1: it felt like three that it was one. It was
Speaker 1: all year and then there were like some internal difficulties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did some spells. Some of them work, some of
Speaker 1: them didn't, and all came out in the wash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like was there like a monkey's pow thing where it
Speaker 1: came to hit you in the face. Later, I mean
Speaker 1: I had to date. I was like, I need a
Speaker 1: boyfriend to make it happen. And then I got a
Speaker 1: boyfriend and was like not that one, not that one,
Speaker 1: and then I had to break up with them. So
Speaker 1: that was the monkey's paw. I mean, I don't really
Speaker 1: like we did a lot of like burning of incense,
Speaker 1: like ritual candles. It was like the craft had just
Speaker 1: come out and list teenage girls. Jesus Christ, I need
Speaker 1: some power. I'm trying to think now. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it counts, but I was really into Francisco Leo
Speaker 1: block books. Um, it sort of counts. It's like more
Speaker 1: goth fairy stuff. There was a comic that I used
Speaker 1: to have that was so stupid in retrospect, but I
Speaker 1: really loved it. Um called gloom Cookie that they sold
Speaker 1: it hot topic that I was really into. Um, I know,
Speaker 1: I remember it took place in New Orleans, but it
Speaker 1: was just like kind of this like goth soap opera
Speaker 1: and like the guys all dressed like fops and it
Speaker 1: was a brief interest of mine, like the Sandman and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I read some x P sure, uh,
Speaker 1: Jake Hank's been talking about Scott a lot. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like Twitter account. Yeah. I was also like, kid, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll be Scott. No, you couldn't know. It's really hard
Speaker 1: to stick with the SKA. Yeah, it's a limited realm,
Speaker 1: Like what are your activities are? What's the gathering of
Speaker 1: the juggalos for Scott Ska fans? Like what are they?
Speaker 1: Orange County? Probably also not very farm again. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's like still alive. There was this super weird part
Speaker 1: of Disneyland for a while in California Adventure that was
Speaker 1: like nineties rave themed. It was like this matter and
Speaker 1: it was literally like nineties southern California rave themed because
Speaker 1: Alice in Wonderland and like Lava Lamps and they had
Speaker 1: a No Doubt cover band that was like, you know,
Speaker 1: the Gwen Stefano fake Gwen Stefani is Alice and then
Speaker 1: the band did. They just played Tragic Kingdom over and
Speaker 1: over and they also played like songs from Now But
Speaker 1: it was like the perfect Southern California experience. In my
Speaker 1: early twenties, I dated a guy in a ska band
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm sorry and someone asked me like, oh,
Speaker 1: what does he do? And I remember being like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a percussionist and they're like, he's a drummer and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm like some still embarrassed that
Speaker 1: I tried to make. Should we take a night call? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we could take a night call. We haven't one about
Speaker 1: Catalina Island? Is that right? We do HI night call?
Speaker 1: It's twelve of six in Chicago, prime nighttime hours, and
Speaker 1: I was just wondering what you're going to spots were
Speaker 1: on Catalina Island, especially since all of you have lived
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles at one point or another. Catalina is
Speaker 1: such a weird convergence of Hollywood history. Was the fact
Speaker 1: that there's so many buffalo roaming around from when they
Speaker 1: filmed westerns on the island, as well as haunted ghosts.
Speaker 1: Because also it was a place where all they would
Speaker 1: stars went to vacation so I was just wondering what
Speaker 1: you're going to just stops for on Catalina and all
Speaker 1: of the weird legends arounding it. Thanks and happy night
Speaker 1: college goes. We love you, Matt. Yeah, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for that call. Yeah. I just google ghost stories
Speaker 1: for hunted Catalina. They guess, I guess they have a
Speaker 1: lot of ghost tours on Catalina Island. I I didn't
Speaker 1: really know about that, but I did go to Catalina
Speaker 1: once and found it to be kind of ghost town ish. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a high season for Catalina Island,
Speaker 1: but whenever I went, it definitely was not that. Have
Speaker 1: we all been to Catalina? Yeah, you didn't go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had to go on a retreat for school. Um,
Speaker 1: Molly did not go. And I remember Molly at the
Speaker 1: last minute didn't go, and I saw her like out
Speaker 1: of the bus window and I was like, Molly, no,
Speaker 1: well you gotta get on the bus and she didn't.
Speaker 1: And then I like cried on the way to Catalina.
Speaker 1: And then it was like I think that actually that
Speaker 1: may have been the retreat with the with the mosquitoes. No,
Speaker 1: you know what that was the next year, at the
Speaker 1: Colorado River where they were like, hey, there's like a
Speaker 1: bunch of mosquitoes and they bit they were biting people
Speaker 1: on the face and they were like should we go home?
Speaker 1: And half the people were like please, let's go home,
Speaker 1: and half the people were like, no, it's important that
Speaker 1: we stay. And I was like, funk these people. But
Speaker 1: in a way, yeah, I went to Catalina for that,
Speaker 1: Ali have you I went. I went in uh in
Speaker 1: college with my boyfriend at the Times family, and uh,
Speaker 1: I found porn in the woods there. No, I did
Speaker 1: find some porn in the woods. Were like, let's go
Speaker 1: for a hun and then it was just like a
Speaker 1: stash of like warped, water logged porn in the forest.
Speaker 1: Catalina is weird because it's it's a legitimate desert island,
Speaker 1: like and it's it is bizarre that you see these
Speaker 1: wild animals who are like they were just kind of
Speaker 1: dumped there, you know, like, I guess we'll make a
Speaker 1: go of it on this weird little island. I've been
Speaker 1: on both sides of Catalina. There's like the Avalon is
Speaker 1: the fancy side, the fancy side of the tourist town.
Speaker 1: And then I went camping on the camping side, which
Speaker 1: is really cool. There's like a harbor called the Shark
Speaker 1: Harbor or something. Uh. There's like a beach you can
Speaker 1: camp on. Uh, and you see buffalo and they're like
Speaker 1: beach foxes and stuff, and it's very It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I got some hot gossip on the buffalo though. Oh please,
Speaker 1: they're on the pill. What there's yeah, check me, but yeah,
Speaker 1: biologists so that they will die out, or so that
Speaker 1: they won't overpopulate, so that they won't because there are
Speaker 1: no natural predators on I'm pretty sure that they're an'll
Speaker 1: pop on the pill like a bunch of feminist ladies.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Definitely, apple On feels super haunted because there
Speaker 1: is like a haunted ballroom, there's a lot of deco stuff,
Speaker 1: and the fact that it is kind of like ghost
Speaker 1: towny most of the year. I think summer is the
Speaker 1: big season, but even then it's like there's some people
Speaker 1: that live on the island, but mostly I think it's
Speaker 1: just people who work on the island. And on the
Speaker 1: camping side, it's even more. There's like a town with
Speaker 1: like two things in it, so I'm looking for stuff
Speaker 1: about ghosts there and some people. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: obviously think that Natalie Wood haunts the beach, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I never thought about like where that actually
Speaker 1: boat trip was. I mean it really Catalina. I think
Speaker 1: it was off Catalina. They were they were voting around Catalina.
Speaker 1: Has Christopher Walkin been back to Cataline at all? Wasn't
Speaker 1: he involved? Wasn't he on the boat? He knows something?
Speaker 1: He maybe doesn't know anything. They also say that scuba
Speaker 1: divers I guess there was like a mining tunnel around
Speaker 1: there at some point the collapse, and scuba divers who
Speaker 1: have been said to have heard the screams of the
Speaker 1: miners who died in the collapse tunnel. They tend to
Speaker 1: find these really crazy sea serpents called or fish out
Speaker 1: there because they're normally like in the deep sea, and
Speaker 1: then when they start to die, they just float up
Speaker 1: and they're like fuck fuck, and then they die on Catalina.
Speaker 1: So it's it is a dying ground, it's a dying destination.
Speaker 1: More fish are like the coolest, scariest looking thing, Like
Speaker 1: if you saw one of those, oh god, oh yeah
Speaker 1: it looks like an alien. Yeah, how big are they
Speaker 1: They're just like they look like crazy. They're not in
Speaker 1: their fish, they're not serpents, but people. They looked like
Speaker 1: a giant sea serpent. Yeah, they and they they have
Speaker 1: these crazy red spikes on like a mohawk. It's very
Speaker 1: really them there to they float up. Whoa, that's fascinating.
Speaker 1: But where do you find that out? You know, there's
Speaker 1: a big preserved or fish at the museum and I
Speaker 1: used to volunteer. Was just going to say, there's a
Speaker 1: terrifying preserved one at the Natural East Museum. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I do feel like Catalina's like has the ghosts of
Speaker 1: a lot of like postwar unreported sexual assault fuel tins,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like a bunch of Hollywood creepiness. Right,
Speaker 1: when you only share the space of a few buffalo
Speaker 1: then maybe your spirit comes through a little more strongly
Speaker 1: or something. I mean. It's also like all of those
Speaker 1: areas obviously have a very strong like hey, this was
Speaker 1: native land and now right it's not, and then we
Speaker 1: made it look like it just we just found it
Speaker 1: this way. Right now, there's a Buco to Beppo there
Speaker 1: and you're like Alato shop and you're like whoops, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we just love talking about Bucca to Beppo. We
Speaker 1: could have Beppo. Please sponsor us um giant meat ball. Yeah, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: you want to take another nightcall, But this one's a
Speaker 1: night email. Yeah. Sure, it says nightcall about fears. Hello, nightcall, ladies.
Speaker 1: My boyfriend has a fear of dolls, but I've been
Speaker 1: collecting them since I was a little girl. I only
Speaker 1: have three small ones in our current apartment. The rest
Speaker 1: have been stored at my mom's house until I have
Speaker 1: more room for them. My mom is in the process
Speaker 1: of moving, though, and I want to move my dolls
Speaker 1: and to assume to be empty room with the apartment.
Speaker 1: My boyfriend said no that I have nowhere else from
Speaker 1: my creepy friends to go. What should I do with
Speaker 1: my ghoulish antiques? Oh my god, I just heard a
Speaker 1: story from somebody who shall not be named um about
Speaker 1: of tinder date. I think that M wound up at
Speaker 1: the person's home and uh, and you know, after after
Speaker 1: welcoming the person inside, they the first room they stepped
Speaker 1: into was the doll room. Uh. And it was it
Speaker 1: was the first day and they were kind of out
Speaker 1: some we're sort of remote, I think, like you know,
Speaker 1: red Hook or whatever. So it was like, should I
Speaker 1: take an expensive uver or just try to stick this out?
Speaker 1: But I don't think they. I think they stick it
Speaker 1: out left and become a do This email comes from
Speaker 1: Hannah with the porcelain dolls is how she wishes to
Speaker 1: be known. But wait, you're leaving out one detail. Any
Speaker 1: of them are child sized. That was important to me
Speaker 1: and very quote endearing. I can't imagine why he wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to live with them. Oh boy, I mean the
Speaker 1: tone of this email is confusing to me because I
Speaker 1: can't tell if she is like it sounds almost like
Speaker 1: she's at a point of acceptance where she knows she
Speaker 1: does have to get rid of her grulish antiques. Uh,
Speaker 1: she doesn't have. I mean there's a lot of there's
Speaker 1: a lot of self awareness in this, so I'm wondering
Speaker 1: which way she wants to be steered. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not a person who's immediately put off by the idea
Speaker 1: of a lot of dolls, but I imagine that there
Speaker 1: are many people who are. So I guess you know,
Speaker 1: your vibe attracts your tribe, etcetera. Um, she's gonna attract
Speaker 1: her doll. Try Is there anything that any of your
Speaker 1: significant others have owned that you're like, no, put back away, please.
Speaker 1: And then there's also bubble heads, which I have referred
Speaker 1: to as dolls, even though they are technically I've been
Speaker 1: told they're technically not dolls, they're bubble heads, and they
Speaker 1: say because my husband was bringing them home for our kids,
Speaker 1: being like, see, look, I'm just giving them to them
Speaker 1: to hang on too, but they're still mine. Don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. And then on the back of the bubble
Speaker 1: heads is like, not a toy, not not for children,
Speaker 1: not a toy kids with bubble heads. No, No, they don't, No,
Speaker 1: they don't. I don't know. I mean it's I feel
Speaker 1: like one of the hardest things about combining living with
Speaker 1: somebody is being like, you can't just put your stuff
Speaker 1: wherever you want and do things like have weird collections
Speaker 1: necessarily because if space is at a premium and you're like,
Speaker 1: this whole room is for the dolls, you can't have
Speaker 1: a whole room for anything. Yeah, I think, I mean
Speaker 1: depends on where you live, I guess. I mean, even
Speaker 1: if you lived in a in a huge mansion. But
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you did live in a huge mansion
Speaker 1: and you lived alone, or you like owned the house
Speaker 1: and had roommates and you were like, this room is
Speaker 1: where the dolls live. That would be fun, would it?
Speaker 1: Would you live in a house that had a room
Speaker 1: for only dolls. But if I were a person who
Speaker 1: was into having dolls and had, you would expect your
Speaker 1: roommates to be okay with it. I feel like you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have roommates at that point if you live in
Speaker 1: a me look alone in a mansion with my dolls. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If the dolls are haunted, they are roommates.
Speaker 1: That's true, exactly true. You have a commune. Yeah, good
Speaker 1: to pay rent. I have an idea, which is that, well,
Speaker 1: depending on your living situation. This is exactly why addicts
Speaker 1: were invented. And adding is not a habitable room, right, Like,
Speaker 1: you can't live in an addict. I really thought you
Speaker 1: meant an addict, because an addiction like I mean, but
Speaker 1: this is the thing about addicts. And I know this
Speaker 1: from my mom's story and her her childhood dolls in
Speaker 1: my grandma's attic, is it depending on where you live,
Speaker 1: they can really get fucked up in the attic, Like
Speaker 1: the plastic camel, the paint can get really degraded. It
Speaker 1: can be not so great for the preservation of your
Speaker 1: doll friends. So I don't know if I feel like
Speaker 1: basements are maybe a safer bet. The thing is like,
Speaker 1: if you have a room for dolls, is that room
Speaker 1: for you to bring guests through and be like, welcome
Speaker 1: to my doll room, or is it for you at
Speaker 1: home alone to be like, Oh, I've had a stressful day,
Speaker 1: I'm going to spend some time in the doll room. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Is I believe in the idea
Speaker 1: of like a personal room of like just things that
Speaker 1: make you feel you know, whatever that means, because like, Ali,
Speaker 1: do you have any like weird science stuff in your home.
Speaker 1: I have only weird science stuff at my home, but
Speaker 1: everything it's all been I have like microscopes and dead
Speaker 1: bugs and stuff. So I mean I have a dead
Speaker 1: bug collection that this sailed right over my head when
Speaker 1: we were like, dude and you're significant others collector anything grows.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have dead cicadas like on my walnuts,
Speaker 1: but I have a leaf tool in the bathroom. Well
Speaker 1: this guys, yes, But I do feel like Number one,
Speaker 1: if you have a room for dolls. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's just like like no calorie hoarding. It's like Splenda.
Speaker 1: It's like hoarding but made with Splenda, where you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of isn't that all collecting? Yes, kind of,
Speaker 1: which is like you have to pick your battles and
Speaker 1: just you have to make sure that it doesn't get
Speaker 1: too far to where you're sixty and you're like, I
Speaker 1: now have the doll home. It's a trailer in your backyard.
Speaker 1: Have you guys ever seen the House on the Rock?
Speaker 1: It's like a weird museum in somewhere Wisconsin. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: just all doll rooms. It's like a room full of
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's an annual game book. It's there's like
Speaker 1: a room of like carousel animals and a room of
Speaker 1: like like player pianos test is making on subscu drive
Speaker 1: somehow came full circle to the goth conversation because um
Speaker 1: an early pastime me having just come to l A
Speaker 1: and not knowing what to do and still being kind
Speaker 1: of a pseudo goth. With my boyfriend at the time
Speaker 1: that I moved out with, we would drive around Los
Speaker 1: Angeles at night in his like following apart Cadillac and
Speaker 1: listen a lot of times either to the Twin Peaks
Speaker 1: soundtrack or to the soundtrack from House on the Rock,
Speaker 1: which is just spooky organ music. Basically the plays in
Speaker 1: the house. It's just like the player piano equivalent of
Speaker 1: an organ basically um. And that was that was our vibes.
Speaker 1: So I guess, I guess I am a goth at heart.
Speaker 1: I have another I have two more ideas for to
Speaker 1: solve this problem really quick that I'm doing over. Okay,
Speaker 1: I need, we need solutions because we're just we're just
Speaker 1: hot takes on it. Well, I think one way to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that you don't need to preserve something in a
Speaker 1: physical way to like carry with you. Is there no
Speaker 1: way that you could make like a movie right about
Speaker 1: the dolls, almost like you're just self producing a documentary
Speaker 1: and then you have that story and you can selve
Speaker 1: the dolls, or you can dig a hole in your
Speaker 1: floor and put the dolls in a coffin down there.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, dull graveyard, doll graveyard. I have
Speaker 1: to say I'm more scared of burying dolls and having
Speaker 1: their angry spirits come back up than letting them live
Speaker 1: in peace on a shelf somewhere. Like I'd rather if
Speaker 1: the shelf was in the basement, but they were still
Speaker 1: out and in the air. I would feel what if
Speaker 1: you put them in storage, but first you take pictures.
Speaker 1: You have to take pictures and the glamour shots on
Speaker 1: the wall in the doll room, and then the doll
Speaker 1: room can still be a functional room. Yes, it's a
Speaker 1: doll gallery, now do I love? You can kind of
Speaker 1: treat it like Day of the Dead, but for dolls,
Speaker 1: a little bit like putting dollar there oles when you
Speaker 1: take the photograph. Yeah, but you have to do it
Speaker 1: with an old timey wind up camera that takes forty
Speaker 1: five minutes. Yea one of those cameras that shoots out
Speaker 1: of pop of smoke when you take or speaking of
Speaker 1: the puff of smoke and the fog and Not Scary Farm,
Speaker 1: we could tie this all together. You could pitch this
Speaker 1: as a pop up to Not Scary Farm with your dolls,
Speaker 1: and then they'd be out of the house for like
Speaker 1: maybe you could even say like half the year store
Speaker 1: them there. I'm gonna say, with one more idea, you
Speaker 1: got to find another boyfriend who is into dolls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is weirdly relevant. But I also interviewed Floria Sigismondi,
Speaker 1: who's the director who sort of invented like haunted doll
Speaker 1: music videos. She Marilyn Manson video for The Beautiful People
Speaker 1: that has some haunted dolls in it. I think she
Speaker 1: did White Orchid for White Strips, and Fiona apples on
Speaker 1: a lot of really good. Yeah, she's great, and she's
Speaker 1: like an adult go like a business off, you know,
Speaker 1: like she's so cool and like, uh, she made like
Speaker 1: a setting for the interview that had a lot of
Speaker 1: props from her home and a lot of them were
Speaker 1: haunted dolls that she has and like you know, dolls
Speaker 1: with the face half off and stuff. And so I
Speaker 1: asked her at one point, like, are other people who
Speaker 1: come over or stay over like creeped up by the
Speaker 1: haunted dolls? And she was like I don't find them
Speaker 1: creepy at all, but yeah, like other people too, like
Speaker 1: kids who sleep over sometimes find them a little scary.
Speaker 1: You just yeah, and Molly, you just flipped it for me.
Speaker 1: Like when it was a pastel doily, like a country
Speaker 1: print curtain room, I got very scared. But when it
Speaker 1: turned into like rubs on me, like the Dolden goth
Speaker 1: type of a sitch. I'm now, I'm down with you
Speaker 1: just now. And now it seems like, oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: put up some deteriorating Victorian furniture in there too, Now
Speaker 1: it's cool. Oh, speaking of dolls, by the way, Molly
Speaker 1: found something very interesting, yeah, related to last week's pod,
Speaker 1: which is the spooky doll that some they sent us
Speaker 1: that they saw doing a real estate house call that
Speaker 1: they take photographs of houses, and they sent us this
Speaker 1: terrifying doll that they saw in a bedroom and it
Speaker 1: was a goat stall g TZ and so we looked
Speaker 1: up goatstalls and it turns out they were the original
Speaker 1: mold for American girl dolls. Also, so the first batch
Speaker 1: of like Kirston's and Samantha's or whatever, we're all goats dolls.
Speaker 1: And then as soon as I read that, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it looks just like just like Kirsten with
Speaker 1: scary red eyes. Guys, what a great night call. This
Speaker 1: was so much fun. Thank you for coming by, Ali. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we wanted to say thank you so much Alie for
Speaker 1: coming by. And if you haven't, definitely check out Ali's
Speaker 1: podcast ologies Ologies link to it got to do a dologies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's such a good idea, it doesn't exist. Well, well
Speaker 1: you're talking at the Bunny Museum last time, which is
Speaker 1: kind of adjacent. Oh my god, I need to find
Speaker 1: a bunny hologist. So yeah, we're kind Give us a
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Speaker 1: Loved it, loved it, loved being here. Thank you NY
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