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Speaker 1: Matt Human has been practicing since was thrust into the

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Speaker 1: Mr David Bramfman been practicing since nineteen eight, focusing on

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Speaker 1: Gentleman again, welcome to the show. So let's uh, let's

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Speaker 1: more or immoral. That it was too subjective of a standard.

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Speaker 1: So we got over We overcame that hurdle. Then the

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Speaker 1: Trademark Office said, well, shut the funk up is a

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Speaker 1: common phrase, lots of people say it. And our response

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Speaker 1: was that may be true, but so is you're fired,

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Speaker 1: which is a federally registered trademark owned by the President

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Speaker 1: of the United States. And we said we filed a

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Speaker 1: legal brief with twenty or thirty examples of common phrases

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Speaker 1: that have been federally registered for different goods and services,

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Speaker 1: plus we put into evidence mark the hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 1: of users and viewers that you have on all your

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Speaker 1: different social media platforms, and lo and behold, the Trademark

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Speaker 1: Office would UH rescinded UH their refusal and it's now

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Speaker 1: a federally registered trademark. That is awesome. We I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know that. And I think we're moving on Shut

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Speaker 1: the Funk Up Friday too. So we have we have

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Speaker 1: already have shut the Funk Up Friday registered. We got

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Speaker 1: that registered first. That's easier because it had the words

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Speaker 1: Friday in there, right, and they didn't consider that as

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Speaker 1: common of a phrase as shut the funk Up by itself,

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Speaker 1: and that was also part of our legal argument. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so quick recap before we break is all of our

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Speaker 1: intellectual property is covered. We have registered trademarks for hashtag

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Speaker 1: s t F you shut the funk Up Friday. And

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Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, we have a copyright for the script. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have a copyright on the script, and we have

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Speaker 1: a copyright on the m I being container, Am I

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Speaker 1: free to go poem? I believe to the slam poem. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think that's right. I believe that's right. So so

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Speaker 1: listen up out there, everything that comes out of the

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Speaker 1: mouths of the top brothers at law. If you plan

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Speaker 1: on using it, talk to us first, and let's make

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Speaker 1: a deal because Bramfman is gonna come after you if

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Speaker 1: you buy a property right, shut the funk up, Mark Hey,

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Speaker 1: And with that, we're gonna take a break, and when

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Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna go through the Cannabis Talk

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Speaker 1: one O one High Five with Matt Human and Dave

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Speaker 1: bramfon Super Lawyers in the Cannabis Stace. We'll be right

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Speaker 1: back after the great excellent Welcome back to Cannabis Talk

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Speaker 1: one oh one with Mark and Craigy Pop Brother's that

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Speaker 1: Lab Blue and Joe Grande here today Mark him with

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Speaker 1: our special guest Matt Human and Dave Brampton. And before

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Speaker 1: we continue, I want to give a very very special

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Speaker 1: shout out to Pit, Peanut, Jen and Big Elvis out

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00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: there in Vegas. That's our crew. They put our show together.

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Speaker 1: They make us sound all nice and me couldn't do

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Speaker 1: it without him. Thank you guys. And now actually we're

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Speaker 1: going to get to the High Five in just a minute,

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Speaker 1: but I gotta go back and we got to discuss

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Speaker 1: something very important that's going on, not only in the

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Speaker 1: cannabis business space, but just in business in general. And

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Speaker 1: it's something that that Matt human uh is near to

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Speaker 1: gar to his park. He's been fighting for it pretty

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Speaker 1: much his entire legal career. UH. Employees rights and making

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Speaker 1: sure employees are treated fairly, and amidst this pandemic and

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Speaker 1: cannabis business has deemed essential. There's a lot of well,

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Speaker 1: bad things happening to some employees. Matt, what do you say,

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Speaker 1: you know? Mark, thanks for again that introduction about employees rights. Actually,

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Speaker 1: my legal career I started and I represented employees then

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Speaker 1: and have since. But actually when I got out of

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Speaker 1: college in nine eighty, I went to work in the

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Speaker 1: South for labor unions and we did union organizing and

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Speaker 1: we're always up, been always interested in the to the

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Speaker 1: people who actually do the work in this country and

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Speaker 1: make things run and UH and shocked at how little

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Speaker 1: regard has been taken two workers. UH, and even less

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Speaker 1: so over the last fifty years or forty years after

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Speaker 1: Reagan came into office and we had a very different

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Speaker 1: approach to unionization, workforce rights and so forth. I will

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Speaker 1: tell everyone who's listening that whether you're an employer or

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Speaker 1: an employer, California has probably the nation's most stringent workplace protections.

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Speaker 1: Uh and and the ones that I just want to

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Speaker 1: mention briefly are as a worker, you have rights to

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Speaker 1: be paid by the hour. You have rights to be

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Speaker 1: paid for your work you know very quickly after you

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Speaker 1: maybe quit or after you are fired or terminated. You

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Speaker 1: have rights to breaks every day. You have rights to

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Speaker 1: a lunch break every day. And you have rights to overtime,

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Speaker 1: which is people don't realize. In California, unlike the rest

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Speaker 1: most of the rest of the country, if you work

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Speaker 1: over eight hours in a day, up to twelve hours,

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Speaker 1: you must be paid time and a half. So say

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Speaker 1: you get fifteen dollars an hour, and you do your

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Speaker 1: eight hours, Okay, you get fifteen times eight whatever that is,

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Speaker 1: uh A hundred twenty. But then for the next four hours,

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Speaker 1: if you work any or all of those out, any

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Speaker 1: or part of those four hours, you're gonna get The

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Speaker 1: half of fifteen is seven fifties, So you get twenty

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Speaker 1: two fifty an hour from our eight to up to

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Speaker 1: our twelve, and after our twelve you're supposed to get

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Speaker 1: double time. So if you're working on a rush job

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Speaker 1: or a ship man or something. And and and this

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Speaker 1: especially applies to agricultural workers in California in the cannabis

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Speaker 1: space because when the legislature passed and the voters passed,

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Speaker 1: actually the vote voters passed Prop. Sixty four, one one

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Speaker 1: of the things that was in there was that agricultural workers,

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Speaker 1: who typically are had a lower pay scale. And this

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Speaker 1: is slowly changing and we're almost there in the California

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Speaker 1: regular agg wage laws. But they were treated differently than

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Speaker 1: every other kind of worker, and they could be paid less. Well.

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Speaker 1: The marijuana the cannabis law that the voters passed in

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Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen said all workers have to be in

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Speaker 1: the cannabis space, whether they're in farms or not, have

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Speaker 1: to be paid like every other worker, minimum wage, over

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Speaker 1: time pay like that. And and I have to say, um,

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Speaker 1: you know sadly that maybe not sadly, but just realistically

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Speaker 1: that since we know that about fifty of employers across

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Speaker 1: the country don't pay their workers correctly, mainly by misclassifying

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Speaker 1: them as independent contractors, that's the most popular one. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Not paying them over time, not giving them their breaks,

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Speaker 1: not making sure they can have a half hour of

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Speaker 1: their meal breaks so they can get their sanity back

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Speaker 1: from whatever insane job they're required to do. If you

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Speaker 1: don't give everybody, uh, those basics, you're as an employer,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna face a lot of fines and a lot

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Speaker 1: of trouble. And we know that the cannabis industry is

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Speaker 1: pretty much mirroring now regular industry. So I would say

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Speaker 1: probably half of all cannabis employers are incorrectly paying, not

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Speaker 1: paying enough, misclassifying all for the almighty dollar. Because the

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00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: bottom line for employers, when they don't pay their workers,

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00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: the people who bring them their wealth, the people who

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Speaker 1: make their wealth occur and when they don't pay them correctly,

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Speaker 1: they're stealing. It's actually a misdemeanor in California, though you'll

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Speaker 1: never see a d A bring that charge. And uh

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Speaker 1: and and they're doing it to save a buck, you know,

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Speaker 1: and and to me, uh, this is disgusting, you know,

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Speaker 1: and and any workers who are listening. You know, people

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Speaker 1: don't like to rock the boat when they have a

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Speaker 1: decent job, or a job at all, you know. So

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Speaker 1: we don't see wage what do we call wage in

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Speaker 1: our claims? Those come to us after a worker has

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00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: been fired typically, not always, but typically, and then they

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Speaker 1: come and we talk about whether or not they were

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Speaker 1: fired incorrectly or not, whether they were fired legally or not. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But then the conversation turns into well, you know what

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Speaker 1: about your pay and and nine times out of ten

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00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: those guys are like, well, you know, I never got

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Speaker 1: paid over time. My boss wanted me to do on this.

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00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: He made me stay late, you know, And they don't

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Speaker 1: get a paycheck that shows exactly their hours. And it's shoddy,

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Speaker 1: it's really shoddy practices for employers. My law firm is

570
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: not representing your litigation, but we're showing you how to

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Speaker 1: avoid the traps. So we're showing employers. You know, if

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Speaker 1: people are interested, they can call and I can point

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Speaker 1: them to any number of attorneys they could go to

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Speaker 1: besides myself, who can help with compliance with with the

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Speaker 1: code labor code in California. It's strict and the penalties

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Speaker 1: are severe. Uh. Last year we had a case with

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Speaker 1: my my associate. I was working with him and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, help him pursue a case, to

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Speaker 1: help train him and understand the low. We had a

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Speaker 1: client had a hundred eighties six dollars. They were supposed

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Speaker 1: to have been paid that they weren't. And we litigated

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Speaker 1: that case because the employer ignored every effort to collect

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Speaker 1: a hundred days six dollars and in the end, the

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Speaker 1: employer had to pay thirteen thousand, five hundred dollars because

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Speaker 1: the laws allow private attorneys like you meet David Brantman

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Speaker 1: to go represent them and if we win, which we

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Speaker 1: generally do, uh, they have to Uh, the employer has

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Speaker 1: to pay our attorney's face. All right, Wait, so this

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Speaker 1: employee didn't get paid a hundred and eighty six dollars,

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Speaker 1: and I'm imagining the employee went to the boss, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I didn't get my hundred eighty six bucks in the union,

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Speaker 1: and went to their union. Then wait so so so

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Speaker 1: now they went to the union and then and then

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Speaker 1: went to you and let me, did you give a

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Speaker 1: call or a letter pay the guy a hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: six bucks? And you know, yeah, we yeah, of course

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Speaker 1: we went, yeah, we said, and if the guy paid

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Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty six bucks, you wouldn't have gotten anything.

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Speaker 1: The client would have got the hundred eighty six bucks

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Speaker 1: and that would have been in yeah, since entity if

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Speaker 1: people you know, these the richest people seem to be

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Speaker 1: the most penny pinching. You know, this guy on a

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Speaker 1: chain of supermarkets, he has millions of dollars, beautiful homes,

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Speaker 1: anything he wants, and this poor guy who works in

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00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: his supermarket, you know, six bucks. Well, good for that guy,

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00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, and teach you know, But that just goes

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Speaker 1: to show the mentality. And that's why you need attorneys

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Speaker 1: in in all arenas well, and in all fairness to employees,

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Speaker 1: they can go to the Labor Commission and file a

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Speaker 1: complaint with the Labor Commission and the government is required

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Speaker 1: to go after the employer and and handle it. So

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Speaker 1: I don't they don't have, but the Labor Commission is

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Speaker 1: so overwhelmed that's why they Basically, the law gives the

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Speaker 1: attorneys an incentive to say, Okay, I'll help these workers.

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Speaker 1: The state wants to protect workers and workplace have workplace protections.

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Speaker 1: Let's give the private bar and incentive because otherwise, how

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Speaker 1: do we get paid if we want to go out,

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Speaker 1: you know, to to do the work of the states.

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Speaker 1: It's important, right and that and that's important, and that's

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Speaker 1: out there, and you know, that's as I was saying,

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Speaker 1: it's important to know what kind of attorney you need.

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Speaker 1: There's so many different aspects and areas of law, and

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Speaker 1: the Pop Brothers Law are fortunate enough to have this

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Speaker 1: platform that we have met and an interview and no

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Speaker 1: attorneys not only around the country, but around the world.

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Speaker 1: And that's why you know, if you call eight five

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Speaker 1: five Lost Law, if you have some kind of matter,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be cannabis related, it doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to be criminal related, it doesn't have to be in California, anywhere.

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Speaker 1: We could potentially hook you up with the right attorney

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Speaker 1: no matter what state, county, country, city, or in or

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Speaker 1: whatever you need. And if we can't, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to shoot you somewhere where you're gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to start moving in the right direction, and that can

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Speaker 1: be hard to navigate, navigate in the law. We've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of information here on this podcast. You might

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Speaker 1: want to rewind it, rerun it, replay it so you

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Speaker 1: can learn all of this fabulous information. But now we

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Speaker 1: are going to get to my favorite part of the show,

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Speaker 1: the Cannabis Talk. One oh one High five brought to

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Speaker 1: you today by Pop Brothers at Law c b D.

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Speaker 1: the Cannabis Talk one oh one high five. All right, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask the questions. Matt you'll answer first, Dave

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Speaker 1: you'll answer second. Question number one, how old were you

652
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: the first time you smoked? And where did you get it? From?

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Speaker 1: Thirteen years old? I have no idea where that joint.

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Speaker 1: It certainly wasn't from me. It just appeared. It appeared

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Speaker 1: in a group of boys. Uh in uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: in nine I believe it was all right, there you

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Speaker 1: have it, Dave Bramfona, I was about fifteen or sixteen,

658
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Speaker 1: and I got it from my next door neighbor who

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Speaker 1: was a year older than me and a grade ahead

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Speaker 1: of me. So, you know, back then in high school,

661
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Speaker 1: a year and a grade was a big deal, and

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Speaker 1: he was kind of the big cahuna and he had it,

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Speaker 1: and he got me and a couple of other guys

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Speaker 1: and we sat in the basement in the dark, got

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Speaker 1: high and listened to an album by one of the

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Speaker 1: first great really precursors to the Rappers, a guy named

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Speaker 1: Lord Buckley. I don't know if either of you are

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Speaker 1: familiar with Lord Buckley, but he was one of the

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Speaker 1: first kind of jazz rack contour uh um performance artists

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Speaker 1: back in the forties and the fifties. I'll send you

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Speaker 1: some some YouTube videos of his stuff. It was unbelievable. Alright,

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Speaker 1: sot and fifteen, Question number two of the Cannabis Talk

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Speaker 1: one on one High five, Matt, what is your favorite

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Speaker 1: way to use cannabis? Well, you know, I um. I

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Speaker 1: had asthma as a kid and as an adult, I've

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Speaker 1: not really had problems with it, but I like to

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Speaker 1: keep my lungs clear. Um. You know, I'm I'm still

678
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Speaker 1: trying to figure it out, still looking for the right

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Speaker 1: formulation and method because I don't really want to put

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Speaker 1: anything in my lens. I don't want to really use

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Speaker 1: an edible that's gonna keep me high. I have work

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Speaker 1: to do, uh cbd, s are you know I'm still

683
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Speaker 1: trying to figure those out, so you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I have a favor. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this, let me ask you another way, if

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Speaker 1: you had no restrictions medical or otherwise us to worry about.

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Speaker 1: What would be your favorite way to use cannabis? Probably

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00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: the smoking is nice because the flavor is nice. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the original you know o G method. You know here

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Speaker 1: you go not just not just a nice joint my way,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's that's probably my absolute favorite. All right,

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Speaker 1: Mr Bramfin, same question to you. The first and foremost.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of cbd UM. I play a

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Speaker 1: lot of pickle ball, four or five times a week,

695
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Speaker 1: and it really helps with the aches and pains and

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Speaker 1: also helps, uh make sure that when I'm on the

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Speaker 1: court playing about pickle ball, playing pick a ball, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking about pick a ball, and I'm not worrying about

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Speaker 1: what else is going on in the world. And particularly

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Speaker 1: I like sublingual um tinctures, which I see which I

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Speaker 1: see you're selling. Yeah, the pop brother, the PB free

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Speaker 1: sample of the right. I'm glad you said that, because

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Speaker 1: I wish I could get a free sample. We that

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Speaker 1: we we we learned a thing or two from our

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Speaker 1: IP attorney that we're not in a licensing deal. It's

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Speaker 1: not a it's not a licensing deal. It's uh, it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a partnership about this place. It's a man,

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Speaker 1: it's got a it's a nice lab out of Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I'll tell you more about it later, but

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Speaker 1: we'll get you the discount code. Definitely get a discount now.

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Speaker 1: At least you're on the right path, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: guess the discount code might be shut the funk up.

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Speaker 1: Let me talk to the to the higher ups over

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Speaker 1: there who handled that. All right, we get off topic here.

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Speaker 1: We're back on the Cannabis Talk one on one High

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Speaker 1: five with attorneys Matthew Human and Dave Bramptrom. We're going

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Speaker 1: into question number three. Matt the craziest place you ever

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Speaker 1: used cannabis or smoked it? I mean, right now, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm probably you know, subject to you know, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna plead the fifth I'm not I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna fault you. I got Mr Bramfman, Well,

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Speaker 1: I I I won't say it's the craziest place. But

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Speaker 1: maybe the coolest place I can think of off the

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Speaker 1: top of my head is uh the old Fillmore East

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Speaker 1: in New York City, you know, um with uh Derek

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Speaker 1: and the Dominoes and body and friends who wasn't smoking

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00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: weed and that at that there you go, alright now,

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Speaker 1: now we're getting some answers, alright. Question number four of

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Speaker 1: the Cannabis Talk one on one high five, Matt, what

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Speaker 1: is your go to Munchi's when you get high? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell you honestly. Essentially, I vaporized using

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Speaker 1: a very nice vaporizing device where I take fresh flower

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Speaker 1: and put it in the vaporizing device. And when I

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Speaker 1: have the time and I'm able to give myself the

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Speaker 1: room and I don't have anything pressing to do, I

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Speaker 1: actually take what's the fried or the baked flower that

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Speaker 1: has now been you know, and and it has a

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Speaker 1: nutty kind of crunchy flavor. And I chew on that

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00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: and there's still an avonoids in it, uh, And it's

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00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: delightful both taste wise and uh and and for the

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Speaker 1: it gives me enough of a cannabinoid to take away

742
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Speaker 1: my aches and pains and and and that's a great munchy.

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00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: It's a it's wonderful. It's more cannab and it's all cannabis.

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00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: What about your days? Really? You know? And you know?

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00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: And even better, I'm still using and I have I'm

746
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: not a huge heavy user, but I still have jars

747
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: of a crop that I grew two years ago, and

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00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: I have nice little buds and I hey, can you

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00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: well you have you have your own that you can

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Speaker 1: you can you mail me some? Please? I don't believe

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00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: that's legal under federal law. Oh is it? Well, it's

752
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: legal understate law. There's no state law governing postal service. Okay,

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00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: an interstate carrier, so you're not allowed to show of

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00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: cannabis on an interstate carrier. Well, there you have it.

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00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: You've even we learned stuff even during the high five unwittingly, Dave,

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Speaker 1: what is your go to munchie? My classic go to

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00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: munchy was for many years um Saraly banana cake. But

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00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: I've recently switched to ice cream. All right, what flavor? Uh?

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00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: Lately I've been kind of addicted to briars um, Snickers

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00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: vanilla chocolate. Wait, that doesn't have cannabis in or CBD

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00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: that No, no, no, it's my favorite munchy to go

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00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: when right. Okay, now we got I misunderstood your your

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00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: question mark what you misunderstood? I have? But the quick hell,

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Speaker 1: ho hold on, let me back up, because this is

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Speaker 1: the first time anyone in the We actually just did

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Speaker 1: our hundred fifty episode segment on on I Heart Radio

767
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: just the other day. But before that, we have hundreds

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Speaker 1: and hundreds that we did FM radio. I've never had

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Speaker 1: anyone misunderstand what is your go to munchy after you

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00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: get high? Tell me what I said. I thought you

771
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: said edible, and so I was. I was it could

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Speaker 1: be inedible. No, No, my go to munchy after I

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00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: get high, Well, I've been on this Keto diet and

774
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: I it's I don't have much of an appetite anymore.

775
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: So uh so, you know, in the old in the

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00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: old days, it would have been anything in sight. Okay,

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00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: see that, Now you're sounded like Joe man. Joe, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I don't Question number five. I don't even

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00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: know why I mentioned Joe's name. He loves attention, so

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00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: I guess it was at the forefront. So there you go, Joe,

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00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: I mentioned you, alright, Question number five of the cannabis

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00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: talk one on one high five Matt. If you could

783
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: smoke cannabis with anyone dead or alive, who would it

784
00:47:52,560 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: be and why m I would I would have I

785
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 1: would have liked to have smoked with Richard Nixon. So oh,

786
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: that's great. I just I just did a show this

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Speaker 1: morning and made a great I did a great a

788
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: great quote revolving cannabis and Jews that Nixon did so

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00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: But that's on another part. What what what would all

790
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: got Tricky Dick high with me to show him, you know,

791
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: and you know that there was nothing really bad with it,

792
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: and that he should have taken the Shafer Commission's recommendation

793
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: and not put cannabis on schedule one. Yep. That that's

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00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that one. I agree with that.

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00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: Mr Bramfman. Alright, I got I got a tie for

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Speaker 1: first place. And they're pretty diametrically opposed, but they would

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00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: probably say more about the inner workings of my so

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00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: called mind than anything else. Number one is number one

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Speaker 1: and one A and one bat Abraham Lincoln and Ringo

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Speaker 1: now together or separately, well I've been together, would be

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00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: pretty cool. All right, there you go? All right, guys,

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00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: thank you for participating. We have Matt Human, Dave Brampant guys.

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00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: Matt let everyone know where they can reach you on

804
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: social media and otherwise. Sure, Um, you know I have

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00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: a page on the internet for my law firm www

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00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 1: dot Matt Human Law dot com, m A T T

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Speaker 1: k U M I N l A W dot com.

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Speaker 1: And we have a Facebook page that I think you're

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Speaker 1: part of, Mark and David maybe two Higher Thinking, which

810
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: is a fun place to learn about cannabis trends, UH

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00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: share cultural and political and legal experiences, and we have

812
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: a lot of very uh prominent and influential people in

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00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: the cannabis space. It's a lot of fun to post

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00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: and see what people say and get feedback. So that's

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00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: a Higher Thinking on Facebook. Yep, I'm a part of that.

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00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: Mr branfan working are a couple of different places. I mean,

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00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: email is always easy, uh, Dave d A V E

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Speaker 1: at bm BR dot com. That's my law firm. The

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Speaker 1: initials of my law firm David B like Bob M

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Speaker 1: Mary be like Bob are Robert dot com. I'm on

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Speaker 1: Instagram at brampt dog b R A n F d

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Speaker 1: O G. My last name is brant Man why my

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Speaker 1: Instagram is brampt dog. I'll leave that to your imagination.

824
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Speaker 1: And then more traditionally um at LinkedIn at David Brantman,

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00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: are you still doing talking trademarks Tuesdays? I haven't been

826
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: doing much of Talking Trademarks Tuesday lately because things have

827
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: been happening so fast and and frantical lately that frankly,

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Speaker 1: I haven't had time to kind of prepare. But I'm

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00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: thinking now that the new year's starting, I'm probably gonna

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Speaker 1: re up it talking trademarks Tuesday. I think you should,

831
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: and I'll jump on like I had in the past.

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00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: And one more thing I know, Uh, you produced a

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00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: short film that recently round give me a quick thirty

834
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Speaker 1: second film deal, Okay, I'll try to do it in

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds. It's called leave Them Laughing, Ellie, leave Um

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Speaker 1: Apostrophe E M Laughing. You can find it on Facebook

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Speaker 1: and IMDb dot com. It's a short, fifteen minute film.

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00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: It's based on a true story about a night of

839
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Speaker 1: stand up comedy in the theater that went desperately wrong,

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00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: leading to tragic consequences. And it's a very engaging story

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00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: about something that went odd um in the theater in

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Speaker 1: San Diego, based on a true story, and I co

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Speaker 1: executive produced it and we've been winning a whole bunch

844
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Speaker 1: of awards Best Screenplay, Best Director, Awesome, awesome. I knew

845
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: that was something out there that you had going on

846
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: than in the legal realm, and uh we love all

847
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: that guys. Thanks guys for jumping on and helping us

848
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: educate everybody about things involving cannabis is so important. Guys, everybody,

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Speaker 1: it's Cannabis Talk one oh one. Be sure to catch us,

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Speaker 1: remember and you can catch us at Cannabis Talk one

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