Speaker 1: This is Frost Tips with Lance Bass and I heard
Speaker 1: radio podcast. Hello my Little Peanuts, it's me your host,
Speaker 1: Lance Bass. This is Frostit Tips, so me Lance Bass.
Speaker 1: Happy holidays everyone. I got drewpe with me today. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to have this man on. I keep
Speaker 1: running into this guy a lot over the years, and
Speaker 1: he's a part of this kind of nineties entertainment family
Speaker 1: that you know, you just you know, we're not I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that we're close friends. We don't call each
Speaker 1: other and hang out, but when you do something like
Speaker 1: as big as family matters and beyond TGIF and then
Speaker 1: of course my group and seeing comes out at the
Speaker 1: same exact time, Yeah, you kind of have this bond
Speaker 1: without even really knowing each other. I kind of said
Speaker 1: the same thing with Liam passed away, you know, a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago. I never met the guy, But you
Speaker 1: just have this I don't know, you just feel like
Speaker 1: this little family. It's like going to the same college
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, when you meet some from your hometown, you
Speaker 2: never like know them.
Speaker 1: But that's a perfect example because there's a couple of
Speaker 1: people like Mary Elizabeth Ellis, you know, uh, she's on
Speaker 1: sunny in Philadelphia, married to Charlie Day.
Speaker 2: We're from the same hometown, Laurel, Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Never met her in Laurel, but here in la when
Speaker 1: I got to meet her and we see each other,
Speaker 1: it's this bond we have.
Speaker 2: You know, we're just like shared experience. It, yeah, shared experience.
Speaker 1: And especially when your childhood because you know the same
Speaker 1: you know bakeries, you went to the same Christmas parade
Speaker 1: that you would do with your family. I just always
Speaker 1: feel like family when I see Julil I see.
Speaker 3: Him on lots of things. He seems like a genuinely
Speaker 3: nice guy. I've seen him in interviews and some on
Speaker 3: the view recently. He seems that he's made it out
Speaker 3: of that childhood stardom and and seems grounded and normal.
Speaker 2: He seems like a nice guy. I look forward to talking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: great family man.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm gonna do this whole interview.
Speaker 1: What's that I am going to go a whole interview
Speaker 1: with jillil White without saying his character's name from Family Matters,
Speaker 1: Not gonna say it one time because I know he's
Speaker 1: probably so sick and tired.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about that character.
Speaker 4: We all know it.
Speaker 2: We all know what he went through. I will take
Speaker 2: that bet.
Speaker 3: Okay that there's no way in heck you will go
Speaker 3: the entire podcast at the cast without saying.
Speaker 2: All right, what do I win. We're gonna figure that out.
Speaker 1: I'll go to Towny Bagel and figure, oh, thank you,
Speaker 1: it's our favorite babel place here in Palm Springs.
Speaker 2: A little playing plug. Good luck getting in the lines
Speaker 2: of block around yeah, around the block. Yeah. But yeah,
Speaker 2: So I can only.
Speaker 1: Imagine I enjoy talking about the instant days, right, but
Speaker 1: you know, there comes a time where's like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: so overtelling that exact same story for the last twenty
Speaker 1: five years.
Speaker 2: So I get it.
Speaker 1: He probably gets a little like, Okay, there we go.
Speaker 1: There's another interview. I have to talk about everything. So
Speaker 1: let's see how long I go without saying the name.
Speaker 1: I look forward to hearing it, and I'm proud I
Speaker 1: still haven't said it. But not even not even in
Speaker 1: the intro here have I even brought it up.
Speaker 3: You know, I wanted to talk about the fact that
Speaker 3: you just recently hosted the the Grove Tree Lighting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and this this they do it annually.
Speaker 2: It's the twenty third annual and you just got done
Speaker 2: hosting it.
Speaker 3: I saw it all from behind the scenes, got to
Speaker 3: help out a little with the script.
Speaker 2: But you were a great Drew was over there like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was. I was really in between commercialaces. You ready
Speaker 2: for this? You want to try this one? Making changes
Speaker 2: on the fly?
Speaker 3: No, but but but what I realized was that that
Speaker 3: whole situation with the tree lighting was a huge which
Speaker 3: is a huge ordeal.
Speaker 2: They had like six or seven performances. Huge. I've never
Speaker 2: been to it.
Speaker 3: I lived in I live in Los Angeles since before
Speaker 3: the Grove's creating.
Speaker 2: I've never been to it before. It's the twenty third
Speaker 2: year it's been going on.
Speaker 1: And to me, because you know, I've been to this
Speaker 1: lighting before, because it is to me, the most beautiful
Speaker 1: Christmas tree lighting in the country. I've done Rockefeller, I've
Speaker 1: done all kinds of little towns out there. This one's
Speaker 1: special because Rick Caruso and his old Cruso team, they
Speaker 1: build beautiful spots. So if you've not been to the
Speaker 1: grove here in Los Angeles, Uh, there's the What Americana. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's all these different malls they build a different properties
Speaker 1: at the Hills, Rosewood hotel in Santa Barbara, gorgeous hotels,
Speaker 1: over the top experiences and just really beautiful places of
Speaker 1: our family friendly.
Speaker 3: Well and they and they broadcast this thing all across
Speaker 3: the country on box stations all and they're broadcasting it
Speaker 3: over and over again. So this is what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: is like, not only was it Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving Eve
Speaker 3: and all of that, but it's gonna be around Christmas again, Eve.
Speaker 2: And Christmas Day ever. You're all over the place. It's fun.
Speaker 2: It's really fun.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, after this experience, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I loved you know, obviously I love posting, and especially
Speaker 1: if it has anything to do with a holiday.
Speaker 2: So it really is kind of like my perfect gig.
Speaker 1: So I'm actually talking them about doing this again, maybe
Speaker 1: next year, but making making it bigger.
Speaker 2: I mean, this year was big.
Speaker 1: We had Ryan Tetter, Rachel Platten, uh, we had Schalea,
Speaker 1: we had the girl who won American Idol.
Speaker 3: I know, when once you started listing people, I was like,
Speaker 3: we don't have a list.
Speaker 2: In front of us were a lot of really it
Speaker 2: was great, beautiful.
Speaker 1: We had we had dancers that looked like the Rockets,
Speaker 1: but they weren't the rockets because we're in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Uh, it snows.
Speaker 1: One of the coolest How they get it to snow
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles?
Speaker 2: Spoiler, it's so so it's true. I know it is.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to burst your bubble. It wasn't real snow.
Speaker 2: I knew it wasn't real snow. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I just taught you something like that snow
Speaker 1: would melt Los Angeles. And it's actual that it wasn't real.
Speaker 1: It was real snow, but I didn't know what it was. Okay,
Speaker 1: But here's the coolest thing about the show. Not only
Speaker 1: is it the Santa is a man. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: like the legit Santa people, Uh it was this one?
Speaker 2: Is this this is.
Speaker 1: The guy if you saw the Thanksgiving Day parade Macy's, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was him. Yeah, so this is the legit, the
Speaker 1: real one, all right, And we got him at this
Speaker 1: tree lighting ceremony. But you know what my favorite part
Speaker 1: was you singing No, it wasn't that part because that
Speaker 1: was like a karaoke moment. Next year, if I do
Speaker 1: this my real moment next year, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do a little little sing along karaoke moment.
Speaker 2: Good, but you want to do something serious. It's Christmas.
Speaker 1: Christmas time is my thing because Christmas music it's for crooners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm a crooner. Yeah, you know, I get
Speaker 2: to use my basy voice.
Speaker 1: So this is this is my I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: this is my Christmas.
Speaker 2: It's my Christmas. I don't know. But what would you do?
Speaker 2: Would you do like fantasy Baby? No? No? Hello?
Speaker 1: Did we just go over to the fact that I'm
Speaker 1: a I know, but I Sinatra Dean Martin?
Speaker 2: Yes, like, oh yeah, you got to you know, fun Crome,
Speaker 2: Little Elvis come on. Okay, So yeah, so I think
Speaker 2: about anyway, the Drone show was the best. That was crazy.
Speaker 1: I've seen some drone shows on television before, but to
Speaker 1: see it in person, it was incredible. Well, how do
Speaker 1: I still understand how they can do this?
Speaker 3: Anyway, if you want to watch it, just search the
Speaker 3: twenty third annual the Grow Tree Lighting Celebration on your
Speaker 3: dirug TV or wherever you watch TV and you will
Speaker 3: be able to see mister Bass host the show.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, and again, next year, if I do this,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna wing it as much we there were,
Speaker 1: because we did have a good rehearsal the night before,
Speaker 1: but there were parts I didn't even know we're gonna happen,
Speaker 1: especially the ending. Yeah, I had we didn't rehearse the ending.
Speaker 1: I had no idea how the show was going to
Speaker 1: even end. Didn't know what I was supposed to say.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I'm on stage with
Speaker 1: this amazing choir and all the the artists come out
Speaker 1: and we're seeing Dry Carrey's you know whatever, her song,
Speaker 1: and I'm having the best time.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, I didn't I don't even know what
Speaker 2: to do, and we're supposed to light the tree. I
Speaker 2: don't really know how I was supposed to do that.
Speaker 2: Santa did it? Uh singing? I was supposed to end
Speaker 2: the show ended it a color. You should not be
Speaker 2: talking trash. You're gonna want this.
Speaker 1: Show, but this show is all about an insider information
Speaker 1: on how the television works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the show.
Speaker 3: I saw you on that stage when when everything was
Speaker 3: the fireworks going off, and you're kind of you you
Speaker 3: managed to sort of figure it out, like Okay, I
Speaker 3: can stand here, this is where I can hang, and
Speaker 3: so on.
Speaker 2: It's over.
Speaker 5: You know I'm going wrong and strong the run through
Speaker 5: went so long the night before that they didn't really
Speaker 5: tie up the loose end that is the ending, like
Speaker 5: one of the most important parts is definitely the ending.
Speaker 2: But somehow it worked. Magic. It was magical, well was
Speaker 2: it was Christmas matchic. It was Christmas magic. It was
Speaker 2: Christmas magic, all right.
Speaker 1: Before we get to Jalil, we do have to touch
Speaker 1: on Wicked because I haven't seen you guys in forever.
Speaker 2: Let's just say it.
Speaker 1: It's the best movie we've seen in a very very,
Speaker 1: very long time. And it's not a bandwagon thing. I
Speaker 1: don't care if you like musicals or not. You go
Speaker 1: see this movie. I dare you to say you don't
Speaker 1: like this movie.
Speaker 2: There's a trend.
Speaker 3: There's a trend on TikTok straight guys doing doing long
Speaker 3: soliloquies talking about their love of this musical that they
Speaker 3: don't like musicals in general, they don't whatever, And and
Speaker 3: they're like, you can scroll and see a bunch of
Speaker 3: straight guys talking about for some reason, and they act
Speaker 3: like Wicked just came out of nowhere, that it has
Speaker 3: have been around as a musical for twenty twenty years.
Speaker 3: They're like, what is this song defying gravity? This is
Speaker 3: my new workout song. Like you can scroll on TikTok
Speaker 3: and C Street.
Speaker 2: They say it's their new workouts. Yeah. No, last night
Speaker 2: I was scrolled. I'll start sending.
Speaker 1: One guy says on his way work Now, all straight guys,
Speaker 1: you're speaking for all straight guys telling you.
Speaker 3: There's a trend. It's crossing. It's a four quadrant movie. Okay,
Speaker 3: if you know the lingo and the business. We don't
Speaker 3: no one listening right now, everyone's four quadrant. Yeah, all right, anyway,
Speaker 3: it's incredible. Congratulations to everyone.
Speaker 2: Did you know?
Speaker 1: But I've never told you this. This is gonna sound
Speaker 1: way more fuller than it is. But I shadow directed
Speaker 1: John cho once. What did you say a minute the
Speaker 1: director director? You shadow directed him or you were in
Speaker 1: his shadow learning how to direct same thing?
Speaker 2: No, well I don't think so, because one sounds like
Speaker 2: you taught him. No, no, nope, he taught me.
Speaker 4: Uh no.
Speaker 2: It was uh and it and it didn't even really
Speaker 2: dawn on me until last week. I'm like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: I know, John Chu it was Step Up three.
Speaker 1: So our friend Adam Shankman, who you know, directs the
Speaker 1: first Step Up and like, I mean, all these major
Speaker 1: movies Step Up three and two, John Chu, he had
Speaker 1: an over the director directing, uh baton to John Chu.
Speaker 1: And so it was on Step Up three that I
Speaker 1: asked Adam Shaneman because I thought he was going to
Speaker 1: be directing, you know, these scenes. I was like, I
Speaker 1: would love to shadow you know, direct you, I mean,
Speaker 1: because I want to learn. I want to shadow him,
Speaker 1: I want to shoot you. I want to learn how
Speaker 1: to like do directing. And so when on set and
Speaker 1: it was John that he introduced me to. He's like,
Speaker 1: oh and so he like started teaching me all kinds
Speaker 1: of fun stuff. Only spent one day with him, so
Speaker 1: again it sounds way cooler than it was. Uh, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so we uh you know, I got to spit a
Speaker 1: whole day with him and like watched him do his
Speaker 1: thing on Step Up three, and he is a lovely,
Speaker 1: lovely man, he seems gets So go see the movie
Speaker 1: over to the other let's get let's get you a
Speaker 1: little oh and by the way, a little more shout
Speaker 1: out Ariana Grande and Cynthia Rigo. Oh so incredible. But
Speaker 1: I am so like a proud father of Ariana Grande
Speaker 1: because for as long as I've known her, She has
Speaker 1: talked about wanting to do Wicked. Originally actually Alphabet she
Speaker 1: always wanted to play off of.
Speaker 2: But but I'm like, you are good, Duck. You are
Speaker 2: good lind Duck.
Speaker 1: And for as long as I'm known her, she has
Speaker 1: been so obsessed with if they make this into the movie, I.
Speaker 2: Have to be in it.
Speaker 1: And she turned down so many roles just in case
Speaker 1: she would get this role. And it worked out and
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of it.
Speaker 2: It could not be a better part.
Speaker 1: All right, go to your little kitchen over there. We're
Speaker 1: gonna take a little break and we come back. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have the one only Jalil White and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you.
Speaker 2: Know the game I'm playing with myself during this interview.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say it this guy, mister Jalil Wise,
Speaker 2: how's it going, buddy? What's going on? Shades? How you doing?
Speaker 2: We're gonna get my shit home? Hello? This is what
Speaker 2: we're doing, Helo.
Speaker 1: This is this is the first I'm doing the podcast outside.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're gonna get shady lance today.
Speaker 2: Is this why we're doing? Nice? How have you been?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: I'm doing fantastic. Really, it's been an amazing year.
Speaker 1: For you, boy, Nice, Well, you know last time I
Speaker 1: saw you, I think we're at the UCLA Bruins game,
Speaker 1: the basketball game.
Speaker 2: Now you went to UCLA, didn't you graduated from there? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I went to u c LA from ninety five to
Speaker 4: two thousand and one. It took me about six years.
Speaker 1: Nice, what attracted to do to u c l A.
Speaker 1: Of all the colleges you could go to, which.
Speaker 2: What was U c l A.
Speaker 4: My dad went to u c l A, and it
Speaker 4: really was only between U c l A and USC,
Speaker 4: and quite frankly, U c l A was also closer
Speaker 4: to work for me, so I could get to Warner
Speaker 4: Brothers more easily from UCLA. Just take the canyons and
Speaker 4: Leslie moved as Bill Cosby wrote my letters of recommendation.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. You know, I will my neighbor, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: my neighbor of Maryland. She's like she owns the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You know, she's in her eighties. Like the first thing
Speaker 1: I knew when I moved in, she's like, you're coming
Speaker 1: to an u c l A game with me? And
Speaker 1: apparently she she graduated from USC but her when she
Speaker 1: married her husband, he's a big u c l A
Speaker 1: along and she had to denounce USC ordered for her.
Speaker 2: To So she's to that game that I saw you at.
Speaker 4: They take that serious. You know John Tercian who runs
Speaker 4: h Wood, Oh yeah, definitely right. Like I finally confronted
Speaker 4: him one day about this stuff, and I was like,
Speaker 4: you fundamentally dislike people who attended UCLA and he was like, yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but do you need therapy? Therapy, dude. It happens
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially like going back back in the day
Speaker 1: when like above Dublin's and all that. You know, growing
Speaker 1: up in la Ah Dublin's, but you know there was Pantera, Sara,
Speaker 1: you know who worked there, and if you didn't like
Speaker 1: what she liked, you're not getting in. It didn't matter
Speaker 1: who you were. If you weren't you know, if you
Speaker 1: didn't say n Synct was better than Bakshi Boys or
Speaker 1: Brett fab was the best quarterback of all time, you
Speaker 1: literally would not get into a club.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's uh LA is all about those common interests in
Speaker 4: common bonds and if you ain't coming.
Speaker 2: You out exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, it is the holidays right now. Happy holidays? Do
Speaker 1: you celebrate? Like what is your tradition for the holidays.
Speaker 4: Hell, yeah, celebrate the holidays, man. I married a woman
Speaker 4: a Greek family who is very They are very serious
Speaker 4: about the holidays. They take their holidays more serious than
Speaker 4: any family I have ever met. All of the children
Speaker 4: who are all grown, descend upon the family home and
Speaker 4: by carriage and horse drawn buggy decorated by her mom
Speaker 4: and uh. And we're there for about a week and
Speaker 4: we do everything from you know, Christmas Eve dinners to.
Speaker 2: I mean you name it, to your family.
Speaker 4: Workouts to the same Chinese restaurant we go to every
Speaker 4: year the night we land.
Speaker 2: I just love it. It's a great time for family.
Speaker 4: Uh, to appreciate family, kind of answer the phone a
Speaker 4: little less, you know what I'm saying, like check the
Speaker 4: emails less frequently, and just diving to helping out making
Speaker 4: pancakes with.
Speaker 2: My father in law in the mornings. And I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm such I'm such a holiday dude. Man. And watch
Speaker 2: movies too, like last year, and you never know what
Speaker 2: you end up watching.
Speaker 4: I remember last year we had the kids in the
Speaker 4: room and we were watching Thanksgiving the horror movie, and
Speaker 4: it was like, this is not appropriate for them at all.
Speaker 4: But somehow it feels very holiday.
Speaker 3: Julia, do you are you an open presence? By the way,
Speaker 3: I haven't met me yet, but I'm close to the.
Speaker 4: You know, I actually have to criticize Lands for that.
Speaker 4: What a terrible effing host. You've just been sitting here
Speaker 4: the entire time, like like you're waiting to take our
Speaker 4: order or something.
Speaker 2: Thank you for saying that.
Speaker 3: And you know what, it's finally it's time that somebody
Speaker 3: put Lance in his place on my behalf as my bad.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, sometimes I just think, you know, everyone that's
Speaker 2: been all the.
Speaker 4: Show that comes on in sunglasses, all right, he goes,
Speaker 4: hey man, sorry, I'm late. Good and just treat you
Speaker 4: like you're his handler.
Speaker 2: I know, but it's thirsty. You'll bring him something to drink.
Speaker 3: Well, that's true. I'm used to it though, But but no,
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you. Are you a open presence
Speaker 3: on Christmas Eve?
Speaker 2: For Christmas Day? Family?
Speaker 4: We are definitely an open presence on Christmas Day family.
Speaker 4: I grew up as a kid opening my presence at midnight.
Speaker 4: My parents were very strict about that, so I would
Speaker 4: stay up until twelve oh one to get at my gifts.
Speaker 4: But now that My daughter is fifteen years old and
Speaker 4: she ain't caring about that. She gets up in the
Speaker 4: morning like everybody else. But but all the kids are
Speaker 4: up the other the my laws and that my cousin's kids.
Speaker 2: They're all up at like six am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember those days. We always do the one gift,
Speaker 1: you know, the night before you know, Christmas, do you.
Speaker 2: Do do the one gift.
Speaker 1: It's always, you know, especially when the parents pick it out.
Speaker 1: It's always like it's pajamas. It's always pajamas.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 4: I'm just happy I'm past the age of needing the
Speaker 4: toolbox as a father.
Speaker 2: That that hit me sideways. Like my daughter was like.
Speaker 4: Four and we unwrapped all this stuff and she's like
Speaker 4: yeah right, and then you start unopening opening something. You
Speaker 4: got all these instructions and freaking nuts and bolts. And
Speaker 4: my dad just goes to the garage and he comes
Speaker 4: back and he plants a toolbox in front of He's
Speaker 4: all right, get to work. And your child sits there
Speaker 4: and looks at you like you're somebody that she hired
Speaker 4: at outside of home depot who ain't working fast enough.
Speaker 2: You like yuppel.
Speaker 4: My day is trash, Like this is so happy to
Speaker 4: be past that those years.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, and I'm just getting started with that. See
Speaker 2: my kids they just turned three, so oh dude, they
Speaker 2: have no memories yet. So okay, yo yo, let me
Speaker 2: help you out, dog.
Speaker 4: Seriously, Like, if you have stuff that's gonna need to
Speaker 4: be put together, just take it out of the box now,
Speaker 4: start putting the crap together and then let them open
Speaker 4: the box, wrap the empty box and they'd be like, oh,
Speaker 4: and then you bring it out it's already put together.
Speaker 2: That is brilliant and I will be doing that for sure.
Speaker 4: Otherwise your Christmas is trash playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like being prepped. Like if you're if you're
Speaker 1: a cook, you know you love, you know, making food.
Speaker 1: It's all about the preparation. If you're slicing onions and
Speaker 1: you have people in the house and you have to
Speaker 1: have dinner on the table in an hour, it ain't
Speaker 1: gonna happen.
Speaker 2: You've gotta be you got.
Speaker 4: Assistance, handyman, people that do stuff for us. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: all goes away Christmas morning on your own jack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. You know, now that the kids are
Speaker 2: three and they're starting to really kind of get what
Speaker 2: Christmas is, they now know who Santa Claus is?
Speaker 4: Who is Santa Claus? Who is Santa Claus?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: But it's you know, I feel I feel guilty, you know,
Speaker 1: because using Santa Claus is so great to really kind
Speaker 1: of like whip them into shape. They now get that, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I have to be good. Oh he's actually watching. Oh
Speaker 1: there's an elf on the shelf watching how we do.
Speaker 1: And there's something in me that feels a little guilty
Speaker 1: that I'm like kind of no, no, no kidding me.
Speaker 4: I wish I could go back to my daughter being three,
Speaker 4: four and five. Their minds are like plate on. You
Speaker 4: can just have fun with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it's fun. It's fun to start those
Speaker 2: little traditions, you know.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: One tradition that we started last year is you know,
Speaker 1: we we we put wrapping paper all over like the
Speaker 1: entry to the living room where they're going to celebrate
Speaker 1: Christmas and Usenna came and so they get to bust
Speaker 1: through the wrapping paper like it's one big present.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we're trying little things here and there. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to stick, but we're trying little things.
Speaker 4: Every year.
Speaker 2: It's going to change, that's all I'm gonna let you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're at that point now where they're not
Speaker 1: really asking for anything, and I have so much stuff
Speaker 1: still when they were born. I have presents that you know,
Speaker 1: people gave you when they were born that they couldn't
Speaker 1: even use until they're three, and it's just been sitting
Speaker 1: in the garage until now. So I have all these
Speaker 1: presents I got from three years ago that I'm just
Speaker 1: repurposing for Christmas because they're old enough to be able
Speaker 1: to use it now and they'll never know, so I
Speaker 1: don't really have to buy Christmas presents this year, which
Speaker 1: is amazing.
Speaker 4: Game making the people at home feel bad. And man,
Speaker 4: it's so rich. He's backloaded in Christmas presents.
Speaker 2: He's just go get some stuff off the show and
Speaker 2: wrapped it up for me. It's so rich.
Speaker 1: But every parent cann't understand when your kid is born
Speaker 1: and then someone gives you a gift that they can't use,
Speaker 1: so they're three years old, and like, what am I
Speaker 1: going to do with that right now?
Speaker 2: Well, now I know Christmas three years later. It happens
Speaker 2: in one of the guest bedrooms.
Speaker 3: But you know, I will say, because I was at
Speaker 3: a baby shower or two when the kids were, uh,
Speaker 3: we're about to come into the world lands. And I
Speaker 3: will say that even not just your baby shower, but
Speaker 3: other everybody gets lots of stuff or gets a handful
Speaker 3: of things, some of which is actually useful in.
Speaker 2: The beginning, and some of which isn't useful. So it's
Speaker 2: not just about being rich. It's also just you know,
Speaker 2: people are very.
Speaker 3: Generous when when you're having a kid, and I think
Speaker 3: it's kind of smart to kind of hold some of
Speaker 3: that stuff back and say, we ain't gonna use that
Speaker 3: right away. Let's let's just put it on the back burner.
Speaker 3: Let's put it on a shelf, and we'll wrap it
Speaker 3: in a few years when it makes sense. That's that's
Speaker 3: that's just that's thinking, that's thinking a little bit smart
Speaker 3: there for stimulation.
Speaker 4: The first two years of my daughter's life, I wasn't
Speaker 4: even completely aware of where her clothes came from. It
Speaker 4: was just like a closet materialized.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: The clothes is a whole other story, because they outgrow
Speaker 1: them every you know, two weeks and then I'll go
Speaker 1: into and there and I see this amazing, like I've
Speaker 1: never seen this, this is so great. I put it
Speaker 1: on and it doesn't fit. I'm like, well, I didn't
Speaker 1: get one use out one that was a waste. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's always, you know, always donate, always, you know,
Speaker 1: going on to the next there's so much wastefulness and
Speaker 1: like children's stuff, toys, clothes, so much waste.
Speaker 2: But I digress. All right, let's get into the good stuff, Jail.
Speaker 1: Now, you've done so much since family matters, and I'd
Speaker 1: like to know, like share one project or role that
Speaker 1: you were especially proud of that people might not immediately
Speaker 1: know about.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I love that question.
Speaker 4: Man, See that would come from a guy like you.
Speaker 2: You get it, you know what.
Speaker 4: Total Blackout was a show that I hosted in twenty
Speaker 4: twelve for the Sci Fi Channel and it was fantastic.
Speaker 4: It was honestly one of my favorite gigs just being
Speaker 4: a host of that show. We would put people in
Speaker 4: pitch black darkness. They couldn't even see their hand for
Speaker 4: time challenges like they'd have to guess the weight of
Speaker 4: crocodiles and stuff. They reach down there, they feel the tail,
Speaker 4: they freak out because it's pitch black darkness. And that
Speaker 4: was It's a fun, fun game, and I didn't realize
Speaker 4: that that actually kind of put me on a path
Speaker 4: for more hosting. It's taken a while to even get
Speaker 4: back to an opportunity that was the equivalent of that.
Speaker 4: I'm a host of Flip Side now, but you know,
Speaker 4: probably took about shoot, yeah, twelve years, so I did
Speaker 4: a lot of game shows in between.
Speaker 2: But Total Blackout I'm so proud of.
Speaker 4: And I just wish Freemantle and and Sci Fi had
Speaker 4: been able to come to terms that made sense because
Speaker 4: we didn't go away because people weren't watching. Everybody was watching,
Speaker 4: like we licked Twitter up. But I was doing Dancing
Speaker 4: with the Stars at the time, and everybody was like,
Speaker 4: what the hell are they doing to these people? They
Speaker 4: fell in love with the game show quick, but business
Speaker 4: stuff behind the scenes was tearing us down.
Speaker 2: So there's that. I'd have to say.
Speaker 4: Dream Girls was really special because of the size of
Speaker 4: the cast. You know, I remember the moment I met
Speaker 4: Jennifer Hudson in the in the makeup trailer, and she's
Speaker 4: this fresh faced girl that you know, was on American Idol,
Speaker 4: and I love how they try to take credit for
Speaker 4: what she did and Dream.
Speaker 2: Girls and they had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4: But I knew when I saw her and the performed
Speaker 4: just once on the stead, I was like, oh, she
Speaker 4: gon't get nominated, and uh, you know, obviously blew all
Speaker 4: of our minds when she won. So that was really
Speaker 4: cool because I've never been on a set that powerful before.
Speaker 2: But those two jobs for me, like, you know, those
Speaker 2: were those were me getting my grind on and and
Speaker 2: you know, and the business kind of rewarded me a
Speaker 2: little bit. It is nice going to a set that,
Speaker 2: uh just has a budget. You know, you're like, oh, bro, bro.
Speaker 4: They had all the moneys, they had all the money,
Speaker 4: They had a separate base camp just for everybody's black mercedings.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You you you said something about trying to take credit
Speaker 3: for Jennifer Hudson, you know, and she was.
Speaker 2: She was still really fresh and new to the business
Speaker 2: at that point.
Speaker 3: And I wonder if you recognized that at because you
Speaker 3: saw versions of that maybe in your own life or
Speaker 3: in other young actors that were coming along, Like is
Speaker 3: that is that a typical kind of behavior that these
Speaker 3: executives come along and they try to own something that
Speaker 3: they have no business owning, such.
Speaker 2: As the talent that you're bringing to the situation or
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4: You know, I just think it's about blombing onto what's
Speaker 4: hot and attached and what's trending, you know, and you know,
Speaker 4: maybe no just assigning yourself some undue credit quite frankly,
Speaker 4: where it's like, you know, she was on the show,
Speaker 4: she got eliminated, she didn't win, you know, and it
Speaker 4: was nice having a nice life and you know, looking
Speaker 4: for this very very needed character of Fie White in
Speaker 4: dream Girls, they discover this girl named. The producers of
Speaker 4: dream Girls, not American Idol, call and said, hey, we
Speaker 4: want to look out, you know, on this real get.
Speaker 2: Out of here.
Speaker 4: You know, she lands this plumb role that's getting a
Speaker 4: lot of pressed and of course the natural thing for
Speaker 4: American Island News we just covered her first.
Speaker 2: You know what it is, you know what it is
Speaker 2: to put it in fun of your terms.
Speaker 4: It's like when you're ex brags to everybody that they
Speaker 4: knew you after you win something really.
Speaker 2: Cool and oh no, oh no, I know him. Back
Speaker 2: years ago we dated.
Speaker 4: Inter just didn't work out.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to go back to like the
Speaker 1: hosting thing, because now people hosting game shows and they're
Speaker 1: all talking about it's the thing. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: this is like the thing to get, you know, Drew Barrymore,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson. I mean everyone's like just buying to do
Speaker 1: these talk shows and game shows.
Speaker 2: Really like back in our.
Speaker 1: Day, you know, the nineties, two thousands, that was down upon,
Speaker 1: like you would never even go out host a show
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that has changed? Why do you
Speaker 2: think that people now.
Speaker 1: Accept actors and musicians doing these roles of you know,
Speaker 1: of a hosting that would just normally go to, you know,
Speaker 1: a certified host.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, you know, you got to look
Speaker 4: past the manipulation. And you know, so when I say
Speaker 4: look past the manipulation, I'm saying like a lot of
Speaker 4: top tier A list actors, you know, award winning actors,
Speaker 4: they've been doing commercials and stuff for years, and and
Speaker 4: the smart ones, the slick ones, they would do them
Speaker 4: in Europe and Japan, they wouldn't do them here in America.
Speaker 2: But they pick up their bag.
Speaker 4: And once you get to a certain level of earnings,
Speaker 4: you know, there's certain things that you have to entertain
Speaker 4: that may not necessarily come with prestige. So I think
Speaker 4: what's happening with social media is now. The social media
Speaker 4: has created almost an even playing field for what is
Speaker 4: considered celebrity.
Speaker 2: I think you, all of.
Speaker 4: Us, are better off finding organic ways to connect with
Speaker 4: large audiences that serve our dignity and serve the audience.
Speaker 4: You know, what I love about my game show is like, look,
Speaker 4: I'm a father first, Guys like, I got a family,
Speaker 4: I gotta I got, you know, a fifteen year old
Speaker 4: daughter who's running me ragged with volleyball obligations.
Speaker 2: And you know, you know, I like make I like
Speaker 2: having fun online, you know, but I also.
Speaker 4: Don't like feeling like if I don't if I don't
Speaker 4: record myself cooking in my kitchen for TikTok, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to have a career. I don't want to feel
Speaker 4: I don't want to your freaking lands mask dog like.
Speaker 2: I don't want you to feel that way either, So,
Speaker 2: you know, begetting the jobs.
Speaker 4: That keep you in front of people, or at least
Speaker 4: a good audience of people where you don't feel like
Speaker 4: you're forcing them yourself on them. People love gang shows, bro,
Speaker 4: they love talk shows, and and so as times change,
Speaker 4: those just become ways that I think traditional media personalities
Speaker 4: can can remain visible working and our brains are fired.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense a little bit? It totally does.
Speaker 1: If you could design, you know, because all of us,
Speaker 1: you know, entertainers, we have dream projects. So I were like,
Speaker 1: I have this idea, but I have no one to
Speaker 1: really bring it to life. If you could design that
Speaker 1: dream project, if it's acting, directing, producing, whatever, it would be,
Speaker 1: what would that look like?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What what is your dream?
Speaker 4: I mean I have a couple of them, you know,
Speaker 4: one this darn book I just put out when they
Speaker 4: comes out, Growing Up Herkle, and I just I love
Speaker 4: the nineties man, like I have a real I just
Speaker 4: have a timeless crush on that decade. I feel like
Speaker 4: my entire life, I'm still chasing the summer of nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety five for multitude of reasons. Everybody asked me about
Speaker 4: reboot stuff, and I just it's not selfish at all.
Speaker 2: I just know the reality.
Speaker 4: I'm like me with Laura and some kid named Steve
Speaker 4: Erkle Junior is going to get the entire country.
Speaker 2: To watch once.
Speaker 4: Then they're going to go to comments and ready threads
Speaker 4: and stuff like that to say how terrible we are.
Speaker 4: Oh he doesn't sound the same, he's older, He doesn't
Speaker 4: even look the same in those type bands. And you know,
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's amazing to me in our business that
Speaker 4: because of social media, we get invited to ruin our lives,
Speaker 4: like by email every week, you know.
Speaker 2: So for me, the show that I think other people.
Speaker 4: Would enjoy that would benefit the children involved is us
Speaker 4: playing those kids working on a set making that show
Speaker 4: in the nineties and all of the things that happened
Speaker 4: that we collided with. You know, I was there at
Speaker 4: MTD rocking job the first time Marking Mark dropped his
Speaker 4: draws and I'm sitting there on the sideline like, yo,
Speaker 4: this guy's gonna get in so much trouble.
Speaker 2: Trouble. Next week he had a billboard on sunset and
Speaker 2: he was even more naked. He was right. I'm like,
Speaker 2: my childhood runs.
Speaker 4: Through that stuff like a train man. My graduation day
Speaker 4: of high school, ojay, We're driving right beneath the Bonaventure
Speaker 4: Hotel and everybody was rushing to the window to see
Speaker 4: this white Bronco pass by on my graduation day and
Speaker 4: I'm arguing with the bartender, can you please put on
Speaker 4: the Knicks versus Houston? And he's like, I'm sorry, everybody
Speaker 4: wants to see this.
Speaker 2: And it's like, who's gonna care about this? It's a
Speaker 2: stupid white truck.
Speaker 4: That's a great line of dialogue to put in, you know,
Speaker 4: a seventeen year old actor's mouth and make a really
Speaker 4: awesome family show that I think.
Speaker 2: Gives us the wonder years that we deserve, which more
Speaker 2: than nineties.
Speaker 4: So that's one dream project that I have a bunch
Speaker 4: like it that it doesn't just benefit me.
Speaker 2: I'm not even the star of that. A new kid
Speaker 2: is the star of that.
Speaker 4: But I think that kid would get invited to some
Speaker 4: award shows that I didn't get invited to.
Speaker 1: I love that idea, I think, and I think you should. Yeah,
Speaker 1: write it. Let's do this and we'll see this all.
Speaker 4: We'll see we started with the book, we'll see where
Speaker 4: that takes us.
Speaker 2: How was it writing this book?
Speaker 1: You know, I've written a couple of books now, and
Speaker 1: you know it's challenging. People don't understand how stressful it
Speaker 1: can be, especially when you have deadlines and all that.
Speaker 4: How the deadlines damn deadlines?
Speaker 2: Writing this book? You know that doubt?
Speaker 4: Wow, I can't ignore it because you brought it up.
Speaker 4: You know, writing with the deadlines are It's tough because
Speaker 4: it doesn't stop for life. And you know, when when
Speaker 4: life happens to you, you still have a lot of
Speaker 4: people screaming at you on email the next morning, like
Speaker 4: where is it?
Speaker 2: Where is it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: The good news is that it it forces you to
Speaker 4: keep going. And I think that's really what life is
Speaker 4: all about. And that's partially actually what my book is
Speaker 4: all about. It's just perseverance and not everything's gonna go
Speaker 4: the way you wanted to go, and there's gonna go
Speaker 4: through entire years of your life where things ain't going
Speaker 4: the way you.
Speaker 3: Want it to go.
Speaker 4: And that can be really frustrating because you can't see
Speaker 4: the light at the end of the tunnel. But boy,
Speaker 4: this year, man, I'm really experiencing a light at the
Speaker 4: end of the tunnel. Even my background, I made it
Speaker 4: space because Skeleton Crew came out this week and you know,
Speaker 4: we've waited two weeks for that. I mean, sorry, we've
Speaker 4: waited two years for that to to hit the hit
Speaker 4: the Disney Plus platform. Uh, And I'm so excited for
Speaker 4: I'm excited for those kids, like they're older, you know,
Speaker 4: the stars of the I'm like, yeah, they're they're dressed there.
Speaker 4: Our dressing rooms were next to each other, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know they're they're significantly older. But that was all
Speaker 4: delayed by pandemic and striketh. So you know, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I'm just more grateful now. But the writing the book
Speaker 4: man was very challenging with the dead, but I had
Speaker 4: a great editor and uh, and I just want to
Speaker 4: give everybody to feel the eighties and the nineties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's lands.
Speaker 3: It feels like we maybe should option his book and
Speaker 3: start developing the show that he's talking about here.
Speaker 2: I feel we'll talk we'll talk about Well, I'm definitely
Speaker 2: team in sick.
Speaker 4: I'm just letting you know I'm team in Sick.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we wouldn't have you on here if you
Speaker 1: weren't you little I mean, I mean in your book also,
Speaker 1: I mean you must have great performers out there, you know,
Speaker 1: starting at you know, so young, uh, and growing up
Speaker 1: in the industry. What is that one piece of advice
Speaker 1: that you like to give young actors or anyone starting
Speaker 1: out business.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, be humble, but be aware.
Speaker 4: You know you got that, you got that guiding light
Speaker 4: inside of you that starts it starts rather laid inside
Speaker 4: when you know you're being treated a certain way, it
Speaker 4: doesn't feel right. But also, you know, be careful how
Speaker 4: you're treating other people because now we're really living in
Speaker 4: the age where I know I went out of my
Speaker 4: way to be kind to a lot of people because
Speaker 4: that was just always my natural nature anyway, So when
Speaker 4: I see in a random comment section.
Speaker 2: Then I met that guy at the mall in Orlando,
Speaker 2: and he was so cool.
Speaker 4: You know, that actually really warms my heart because we
Speaker 4: never would have thought that we would reach this zenith
Speaker 4: point where people that you had minimal contact with, you know,
Speaker 4: would have such a loud voice and in crafting who
Speaker 4: you really are and letting people other people to see
Speaker 4: who you really are. So be careful how you treat
Speaker 4: how you treat people. And uh, you know it's okay
Speaker 4: to be humble, you gotta be humble.
Speaker 2: But be aware.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it must be hard to stay grounded, you know,
Speaker 1: through the family and you've been in the public eye
Speaker 1: since you were a kid.
Speaker 2: What's uh, what's the one thing you do or keep
Speaker 2: in your life to stay ground.
Speaker 4: That partas my wife and my daughter are unimpressed by
Speaker 4: any aspect of celebrity pretending to me, it's just something
Speaker 4: that's probably holding us up going into a building or
Speaker 4: getting into a car. So they're they're unimpressed from that standpoint.
Speaker 4: I'm such a family guy at heart that everything I
Speaker 4: do is for them. I really believe the Lord gave
Speaker 4: me a daughter just to keep me going in the business.
Speaker 4: You know, without a family, I'd be in Columbia.
Speaker 2: Somewhere doing doing other things that I probably shouldn't be doing.
Speaker 2: But Plumbia is a fun country, by the way, it's
Speaker 2: a fun country. It's wonderful.
Speaker 4: That's a good but but with but with a family, man,
Speaker 4: I just I'm I'm so accountable.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I would never do anything to embarrass my daughter.
Speaker 2: I would never do anything to embarrass my wife. And
Speaker 2: uh you know it would It would break me like
Speaker 2: any guy. So yeah, and how old that she's seven?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: No, my daughter's fifteen.
Speaker 4: Playboy she fifteen?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay, so she is this generation that
Speaker 2: has rediscovered I heard.
Speaker 1: The T G I F World and the whole nineties explosion?
Speaker 1: Are you doing that from her and her friends that
Speaker 1: they're like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my daughter, I'm a mean to my daughter that
Speaker 4: maybe her friends might send to her to get on
Speaker 4: her nerves every now and then. My daughter was indoctrinated
Speaker 4: with with with with family matters when she was four
Speaker 4: years old by my mother over a couple of weekends, and.
Speaker 2: She had the Aircle doll and you.
Speaker 4: Know, it was cute for a few weekends. Then she
Speaker 4: got hooked on Fuller House. She was off of us,
Speaker 4: got hooked on Fuller House. Everything's generational. You're gonna see though,
Speaker 4: you know, lancing with your own kids like you know,
Speaker 4: they like, they love and like everything for six months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they're honest, I'm new, it is true.
Speaker 1: I mean we're right now, we're on Gabby's dollhouse. Say
Speaker 1: you got one, but we're all all about Gabby. You know,
Speaker 1: two months ago it was all about Frozen. Before that
Speaker 1: it was Mawana.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yes, oh, don't get me started with Frozen.
Speaker 4: I can't listen. My daughter, as the year Frozen came out,
Speaker 4: it was blue dresses everywhere in the streets.
Speaker 2: Told me, I think it's the entire world right now.
Speaker 3: We consume things so quickly and then we move on
Speaker 3: and it's happening faster and faster and faster. It's hard
Speaker 3: to actually have some staying power. What's interesting is that
Speaker 3: you two do kind of represent some people that managed
Speaker 3: to sort of stay in the zeitgeist, which is a
Speaker 3: very hard thing to do over decades. And I'm not
Speaker 3: certain if it's something that's really going to happen as much,
Speaker 3: just because everything is so consumable and thrown.
Speaker 2: Away so quickly.
Speaker 1: Very interesting, though, I think we were maybe part of
Speaker 1: that last generation of entertainers that you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a very finite amount of channels you could
Speaker 1: watch and shows you can watch. So I might look
Speaker 1: at Tral you had to be there. Everyone had to
Speaker 1: watch that show, and you had to look at those
Speaker 1: ten artists, and that was it.
Speaker 2: Now you have all these.
Speaker 1: Platforms for television and film and music, there's so much
Speaker 1: competition out there that it's hard to stand out. And yes,
Speaker 1: it just it keeps on going to the next. Look,
Speaker 1: we're all in a Wicked phase right now. Next week
Speaker 1: we probably won't even be talking about Wicked, and it's
Speaker 1: the biggest movie of all time right now. So it's
Speaker 1: just it's crazy that, you know, it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: stand out, but I think it does. I think we
Speaker 1: were lucky to be in that kind of last generation
Speaker 1: of entertainers that is very familiar with people because kind
Speaker 1: of everyone was forced to watch us like you had to.
Speaker 2: You had to watch us.
Speaker 4: Nostalgia's not going anywhere, Lance, So I'm very interested to
Speaker 4: know what will be the nostalgia for tomorrow. I'm curious,
Speaker 4: what do you think it will be?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Who knows?
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no idea because after the year
Speaker 1: two thousand, it all lived together for me, every decade
Speaker 1: was so specific.
Speaker 2: Then after two thousand, it's like, I don't know where.
Speaker 1: Katie Perry began and Taylor Swift and uh, Sabrina the Carpenter.
Speaker 1: It's just like, I don't all it all blends in
Speaker 1: like I would say, Sabrina Carpenter came out two thousand
Speaker 1: and five.
Speaker 2: I had no idea they lens together. Yeah, Uh, you
Speaker 2: know we do.
Speaker 1: I feel like we have uh you know, we're part
Speaker 1: of this family, you know, this kind of like late nineties,
Speaker 1: early two thousands family of entertainers. Uh, you know, and
Speaker 1: every time I run into people like yourself, you know,
Speaker 1: we kind of have this kind of bond, you know,
Speaker 1: and I love that. And one bond that I always
Speaker 1: find is the Dancing with the Stars show.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 1: It's something that no one will understand how freaking hard
Speaker 1: that was unless you were on that show. And I've
Speaker 1: never had such a family like I. I haven't met
Speaker 1: half the contestants on that show, but if I saw
Speaker 1: them on the streets, I'd be like, give them the
Speaker 1: biggest hug, be like I know, I know, you know God.
Speaker 2: So how is your experience on that show? And do
Speaker 2: you feel the same, did you you feel like are
Speaker 2: you kidding me?
Speaker 4: The you know, Dancing with the Stars? I have a
Speaker 4: chapter on in my book. How can I ignore it?
Speaker 4: Be a hypocriticf I ignored it. I lost sixteen pounds
Speaker 4: during that show, and it wasn't a particularly fun period
Speaker 4: in my life because I was going through a lot
Speaker 4: of custody stuff with my daughter, and unfortunately that show
Speaker 4: was weaponized against me and in family court. So you know,
Speaker 4: that's again something that you would only be able to
Speaker 4: empathize with if you understand what family court is. I
Speaker 4: don't know anyone. Family cord lands on your butt like
Speaker 4: a freaking house on Dorothy's feet in os and you
Speaker 4: just deal with it and you get yourself out of
Speaker 4: the hole. So but as the show itself, it's just
Speaker 4: I came prepared to dance. I'm like, I'm an athlete,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna figure this out.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna dance.
Speaker 4: And the show is about so much more than just dancing.
Speaker 4: It's really it's really the greatest reality show that's ever
Speaker 4: been on American TV. And understanding how to film a
Speaker 4: good package for that week and then but get your
Speaker 4: reps in and get your rest. Also because you're filming,
Speaker 4: spending more time filming your package than you are rehearsing,
Speaker 4: And that was really frustrating for me because I'm like,
Speaker 4: i don't mind being here as many hours as I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be, but the audience at home thinks I'm rehearsing
Speaker 4: and I'm not. I'm like, when can we rehearse? So
Speaker 4: that was really freaking me out behind the scenes because
Speaker 4: I'm a big rehearsal and repetition guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree.
Speaker 1: That's what I always complained about, was, you know, those
Speaker 1: packages you have to to record, they show up your
Speaker 1: house at six in the morning because that's the only
Speaker 1: time you really have. You're so tired, and they're constantly
Speaker 1: like cooking at you, like wanting you to say something,
Speaker 1: you know, to show some drama or whatever. And then
Speaker 1: there'll be moments I'm so tired of you, like, listen,
Speaker 1: what do you want me to say?
Speaker 2: I'll sell tell me what you want me to say.
Speaker 2: So yah whoa yep.
Speaker 4: When I go in, especially the day after interview, after
Speaker 4: you you perform and they sit you in the room
Speaker 4: with the black cloth and everything, and they're feeding you questions,
Speaker 4: but really they're feeding you answers.
Speaker 2: I was just, you know, I just I just felt beaten.
Speaker 4: Down and I'm just like, guys, I don't want to
Speaker 4: I don't want to argue with anybody more, just telling
Speaker 4: what you want me to say. And then like literally
Speaker 4: the girl behind which just she would say she would
Speaker 4: give a question and then she would say, well you
Speaker 4: could say something like and then I would just basically
Speaker 4: say everything that after like back to her and we
Speaker 4: do this for over an hour, and I'm like, that
Speaker 4: was I hated the interview portions though after you performed
Speaker 4: because they were just so inauthentic. They wanted what they
Speaker 4: wanted to cut what they wanted. And you know, I'm
Speaker 4: not bashing the show. I'm just giving the reality of
Speaker 4: what we go through. And the show has been in
Speaker 4: enough cycles that people need to know that. You know,
Speaker 4: it's say, everything is coming out of our mouths on
Speaker 4: that show isn't necessarily what we want to say or
Speaker 4: how we're really feeling. But you know, the one thing
Speaker 4: I can say is all the dancers are incredible, Like
Speaker 4: they are really that good at what they do, and
Speaker 4: that's really cool to see.
Speaker 2: You I'm close and personal.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so intimidating to be around people that
Speaker 1: are so good. It's like, oh my gosh, I feel inferior,
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: Is Oh yeah, I mean it was.
Speaker 4: I mean, but again, like so I was brought on
Speaker 4: the show when they when they when they when they
Speaker 4: bring you on the show, they bring you on the
Speaker 4: show for a character reason, and they thought that I
Speaker 4: would be like there for comic relief. Yeah, and you know, hey,
Speaker 4: I always be light and funny whatever, because that's just
Speaker 4: you know, who I try to be. But I'm not
Speaker 4: Andy Dick. I'm not flopping around all over the floor
Speaker 4: like a fish, you know. I'm I'm pretty coordinated, dude.
Speaker 4: I love sports. And so when I wasn't turning out
Speaker 4: to be that character, me like, well, we already have
Speaker 4: our hunks and our guys did with our shirts saw
Speaker 4: we need him to be this. They found that a
Speaker 4: bit frustrated, and so they took my storyline in certain
Speaker 4: places that I didn't necessarily find so comfortable, and I
Speaker 4: had to just I was dancing for my survival, and
Speaker 4: I remember it. He was like Week one was my
Speaker 4: favorite dance and Week five was my second favorite dance.
Speaker 4: I did the Cha cha and it was the reason
Speaker 4: why Week five was my favorite was because Kim Johnson
Speaker 4: and I got to go to New York because I
Speaker 4: had to do press patrola blackout, and so we were
Speaker 4: alone in New York City and they rented out a
Speaker 4: dance hall for us to rehearse, and we were like superstars.
Speaker 4: Wherever we went, all these women who were fans of
Speaker 4: the shows were just like, you know, oh my god.
Speaker 2: You know they had to tape up.
Speaker 4: Our room, our rehearsal room and everything. But it gave
Speaker 4: Kim and I a chance to just get away from
Speaker 4: the somewhat manipulative ways of filming that package and just
Speaker 4: be in New York rehearsing, having dinners, getting better. And
Speaker 4: when we got on that plane, we were like an
Speaker 4: NFL football team showing up to Whoop somebody you know
Speaker 4: on a road game, and that was great, man, it was.
Speaker 4: It was my favorite two weeks with Week one to five.
Speaker 3: You know, I have a background in producing reality TV,
Speaker 3: and I actually I had to get out of it
Speaker 3: because I did not like being on the other side
Speaker 3: of those interviews that you're talking about Jillille. And you know,
Speaker 3: I often thought as a person, especially who has like
Speaker 3: background in writing and scripts and those kinds of things,
Speaker 3: I often thought reality TV is the is the idea
Speaker 3: that you're getting that you're that you're documenting real behavior.
Speaker 3: But in reality, what you're trying to do is you're
Speaker 3: trying to stitch together a narrative, you know, utilizing sound
Speaker 3: bites from people.
Speaker 1: And that's where people don't realize. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: scripted and unscripted. Right, script there's a script, you stick
Speaker 1: to it done. Unscripted is you shoot it and then
Speaker 1: you write it after. So you take these sellvis and
Speaker 1: then you write the show after.
Speaker 4: So it's funny you guys bring this up though, because
Speaker 4: I really feel like legally shows like that should not
Speaker 4: even be allowed to be marketed as reality TV. For
Speaker 4: your mental health, I think people should know this is
Speaker 4: scripted this is unscripted. Now you draw your conclusions based
Speaker 4: on that, but to but to tell younger people, a
Speaker 4: younger generation of people, oh, this is reality TV. This
Speaker 4: is real you're telling me, you're selling me, this is
Speaker 4: real life. This is authentic. And I think legally that
Speaker 4: that I would be satisfied enough if that change ever
Speaker 4: took place, because you're not getting rid of the medium,
Speaker 4: and the medium has a space and it belongs there.
Speaker 4: The Bachelor and all these shows whatever, they're going to
Speaker 4: be there, and people love them. That's fine, but you
Speaker 4: have to remind people. It's almost kind of like you know,
Speaker 4: when you buy a pack of cigarettes. Uh, this is
Speaker 4: what happens, though. We just got to remind you enjoy
Speaker 4: yourself with the Surgeon General says.
Speaker 1: And you know, the repercussions for the people starring in it,
Speaker 1: and especially people that weren't entertainers that get into unscripted
Speaker 1: that you know, they don't know what they're getting into,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, these storylines are created
Speaker 1: around them about something they might have said here but
Speaker 1: they didn't really mean that. But they know that they're
Speaker 1: going to get to that six episodes in and then
Speaker 1: they'll be you know everything we rectified, but that person
Speaker 1: has to really live in the real world and have
Speaker 1: to deal with people coming up to them thinking a
Speaker 1: certain way about them that wasn't even true. I mean
Speaker 1: it really affects their real life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's hard. Three would you ever do reality? I
Speaker 2: don't think I would ever do reality. Well, here's here's
Speaker 2: the one exception.
Speaker 3: Maybe my partner and I would do like Amazing Race
Speaker 3: or something like that, just so that we could travel
Speaker 3: all around the world.
Speaker 2: And do that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: But but I think I, well, I know that I
Speaker 3: would know going in that you know what, they're gonna
Speaker 3: stitch this together. There a million different ways. I get
Speaker 3: a free trip, I get an experience that I'll never
Speaker 3: ever have again. They get their show, and I need
Speaker 3: to be able to just live with that. I think
Speaker 3: that's about it.
Speaker 1: I think Amazing Race is pretty much the only show
Speaker 1: that I think would be fun to do, you know,
Speaker 1: just go and travel around. I love My Big Brothers,
Speaker 1: my favorite show of all time. I would never do
Speaker 1: that show.
Speaker 2: That it's your favorite show.
Speaker 1: That's why I know twenty four to seven, you are
Speaker 1: on camera and you're gonna say some dump that is
Speaker 1: gonna get you in trouble, you know, in order to
Speaker 1: get and taken our car, there's no way. So I
Speaker 1: feel like something like Amazing Race. There's so much going
Speaker 1: on that, you know, they couldn't really manipulate you that much,
Speaker 1: and it would just be fun to do. Jalil, is
Speaker 1: there a game show that you would like to do?
Speaker 2: Like any kind of game show from Will Fortune to
Speaker 2: Amazing Race? What's your show?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 4: I mean I crushed Family fewd So I took my
Speaker 4: family on Family Few and I got the highest score
Speaker 4: ever on Family Few with one hundred and ninety one
Speaker 4: in the bonus round. So my my aunt all she
Speaker 4: needed was nine points to win and joint.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Wait wait wait wait wait you got one ninety one
Speaker 2: in fast money. Yeah, I got one. Let's compare that
Speaker 2: to my experience. I got all the number one answers.
Speaker 1: So I go on Family Few with my family, which
Speaker 1: we think we're really good practice. We're going against Kelly Pickler.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we got this, Jalil, zero points, the whole
Speaker 1: entire zero z. It was the most embarrassing and the
Speaker 1: answers were so stupid. I'm like, that doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1: I answered the better you had a chance to win it.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, but yeah, Zra, I.
Speaker 3: Mean you guys did have you definitely had a couple
Speaker 3: that were like, well that that is really a wild,
Speaker 3: wild way to answer that question.
Speaker 1: There was a few.
Speaker 2: There was a few that I was like, what happened there?
Speaker 4: I get that on flip side sometimes, to trust me,
Speaker 4: I get some real head scratches, And as the host.
Speaker 2: I got to be like, all right, better nuts next time,
Speaker 2: I just can you can you tell us? Can you
Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about flip side? Because I
Speaker 2: love game shows.
Speaker 4: So flip side we asked one question to one group
Speaker 4: of people, let's say flight attendants, and then we asked
Speaker 4: the flip side of that question to the opposite group
Speaker 4: of people, and that would be like passengers. And it's
Speaker 4: always gonna be some type of tenilating and provocating question,
Speaker 4: you know, like what's the most annoying thing that that
Speaker 4: flight attendants do before the plane takes off? You know,
Speaker 4: make you put your seat up, make you buckle up,
Speaker 4: or you know, make you put things in front of
Speaker 4: your chair, in front of your seat in front of you.
Speaker 4: Which which one do you think is the top answer
Speaker 4: that people pulled and uh, and then after that we
Speaker 4: have a dish or that round.
Speaker 2: That's my face.
Speaker 4: That's as easy as just our Cheetos and Doritos and
Speaker 4: Chick fil A or Popeye's. And whoever moves on from
Speaker 4: that round goes onto our bonus round. Just totally easy.
Speaker 4: One question, ten possible answers. Got to pick the top five.
Speaker 4: Before you get three strikes, we give you ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Clipside. That would be fun. I love that. See those
Speaker 2: are the games I enjoy. And speaking of this of that,
Speaker 2: let's play a little this or that with you right now?
Speaker 2: What's up? They hit me? Let's throw something at you?
Speaker 2: Basketball or football? Oh? Basketball? To play football? To watch okay? Good?
Speaker 2: Stand up comedy or sitcoms. Oh, stay up comedy okay.
Speaker 1: Voice acting or on screen acting on screen acting okay.
Speaker 1: Nineties fashion or modern trends ninety fashion okay.
Speaker 2: Holidays at home or travel abroad boom, holidays at home okay.
Speaker 1: Playing a hero or a villain a villain, yeah, Reading
Speaker 1: books or listening to audiobooks.
Speaker 2: Listening to audio books okay. Attending live sports or watching
Speaker 2: at home? Mm hmmm, how good are my seats? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You got a box at so fun attending. Do you
Speaker 2: get to go to a lot of games here in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles?
Speaker 4: I go to a lot of games. I go to
Speaker 4: a lot of Chargers games in particular.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do the Chargers games too.
Speaker 3: I was with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people, just a couple of weekends ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always like a lot of fun group they
Speaker 1: I don't know, they always put a bunch of people together,
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's always like nineties people together
Speaker 1: because I had some of your co stars and tailing
Speaker 1: matters and they're like, but it was fun.
Speaker 4: Well you didn't see me because my seats were better.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: Hosting a game show or in a drama boom. I
Speaker 4: mean we talked about mount of times hosted again show.
Speaker 2: Okay, and then the last one classic cars are modern vehicles?
Speaker 2: Classic cars? All right? Sweet? Okay, see you are good
Speaker 2: at this, this or that in it i'd I score.
Speaker 2: That's literally, that's get that's the third round for flip side.
Speaker 2: Just lifted it from my show. Great, we could have
Speaker 2: invented the show, Drew, Yeah, you could have done it.
Speaker 2: The only difference is we put you on a clock
Speaker 2: for thirty seconds. That's my problem.
Speaker 1: I don't like any shows where there's a ticking clock.
Speaker 1: I go crazy, like I'm not thinking of anything except
Speaker 1: the ticking clock. I did h when Watch You Are
Speaker 1: My God?
Speaker 2: Who is it? Who wants to be a millionaire?
Speaker 1: Came in and they did like the first one where
Speaker 1: they had like different celebrities come in and do a
Speaker 1: whole week of that, and they had the fastest fingers,
Speaker 1: which they don't even do anymore. I couldn't even get
Speaker 1: past the fastest fingers because I just that the clicking. No, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just freaking out.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 2: I need time to think. I need some time.
Speaker 4: Let you cool, dude, you know what I'm saying. Cool
Speaker 4: do to wear shades on podcasts?
Speaker 2: You know they can't be rushed. Yeah, thank you. Let's
Speaker 2: play a little game before we have to say goodbye.
Speaker 2: So I got I got a game. It's called the
Speaker 2: Mash Game, not the match game. And you two are
Speaker 2: gonna be contestants again like Mash where you do like
Speaker 2: mansion Apartment shot. I'll let you know. I'll let you know.
Speaker 3: Give you a clue that combines two ideas, one from
Speaker 3: pulp culture and one from everyday life into a single phrase.
Speaker 3: Your job is to figure out the mashup. For example,
Speaker 3: if I said a boxing champion and an ice cream
Speaker 3: flavor perfect for travel, the answer would be.
Speaker 2: Rocky Road. True God, Okay, this is gonna be hard.
Speaker 2: All right, let's see how shop sharp your pop culture
Speaker 2: brains are. Here we go. Let's see this one. Here's
Speaker 2: a good one.
Speaker 3: A web slinging superhero hero and a cozy spot.
Speaker 2: For a bear or Batman, spider cave, spider.
Speaker 3: Cave and a coach spot for bears. Go ca, Well,
Speaker 3: what's the what's the spider Man cave? There you go,
Speaker 3: spider Man cave Man cave.
Speaker 4: Spider Man ca goy it man? K Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 4: all right.
Speaker 2: Here's one.
Speaker 3: Here's one Julil, a fast food burger and a late
Speaker 3: wrapper known for his self care.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I need to be high to answer
Speaker 4: this stuff.
Speaker 2: Guys, this is.
Speaker 4: No a fast food burger, fast food burger, whopper double doube. Well,
Speaker 4: what are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Big Mac?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: And then a rapper known for his hit self care.
Speaker 4: Oh man, Mac, it's Mac something, Big Mac Miller, Matt Miller.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a tough one like you should
Speaker 2: have gotten that, you should have jumped in on him
Speaker 2: from the music bass.
Speaker 3: Come on last, All right, here's another one. Here's another one.
Speaker 3: A rocket man and an unidentified male. Oh Stranger, Elton Stranger,
Speaker 3: Elton Elton, rocket Man. Okay, Oh Elton do John John
Speaker 3: Doe Elton, John Doe. There you John Doe, Elton, John
Speaker 3: Doe Elton, John Doe.
Speaker 2: Okay, come on now, A.
Speaker 3: Controversial rapper and a Broadway musical about rival gangs.
Speaker 4: Well, then, first of all, that's that's west Side story.
Speaker 3: Aye, west Side story. So that's the answer. That is
Speaker 3: Kanye West, Kanye West. I didn't even get the West part.
Speaker 2: Wow. You know these games never go well, they never
Speaker 2: know Well, I'm telling.
Speaker 4: You, Drew, it's it's it's really hard to come up
Speaker 4: with games that just click and and everybody can catch all.
Speaker 4: We have to stop our game to explain things, and
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, like they'll start asking me questions
Speaker 4: certain contests.
Speaker 2: Like oh, legal and illegal.
Speaker 4: Legal guys come out and have to start talking these contestants.
Speaker 2: It's not easy. You know.
Speaker 3: That's really interesting, you say. I. I've been on a
Speaker 3: couple of game shows and the amount of stopping. You know,
Speaker 3: you think that these shows just flow and that it's
Speaker 3: just gameplay. No contestants will sit there, stop the game,
Speaker 3: make make mistakes.
Speaker 2: And you're right.
Speaker 3: There's all these standards and practices regards to game shows
Speaker 3: that you.
Speaker 4: Cannot Oh man, as a host, I'll get tricked and
Speaker 4: we'll start. I'll start, you know, getting along with some
Speaker 4: some contestants. We're having a little chet and I realize, oh,
Speaker 4: they're walking me into legal deep waters with their questions.
Speaker 2: And then they'll be like, please step away. We're gonna
Speaker 2: send it legal.
Speaker 1: When it's about money, there's some major rules. Do you
Speaker 1: want me to just give us one more?
Speaker 2: Okay? Come on, cause that Kanye Westwood made me mad.
Speaker 2: We should have got that.
Speaker 3: You should be able to get this. An NBA legend
Speaker 3: and a director known forget out.
Speaker 2: Oh okay. So it's like, oh, Michael Jordan Jordan Pill,
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan Peel got that together. I like that ending
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 4: It's the mashup.
Speaker 2: I like that awesome. Well, well, jlil, it was so
Speaker 2: great to catch up with you, my man.
Speaker 1: Please tell everyone how they can stay in touch with you,
Speaker 1: how they can watch the shows, how they can get
Speaker 1: your book give us the rundown.
Speaker 4: Yes, Growing Up Eurkle is available on all book buying
Speaker 4: platforms Amazon, Barnes, and Noble. Just and go to my Instagram.
Speaker 4: Actually a white click on the link. It's right there.
Speaker 2: I do the audio.
Speaker 4: So a lot of you.
Speaker 2: I know you don't want to be bothered reading all
Speaker 2: those pages. I'll read them to you.
Speaker 4: Thank you to anybody who has purchased my book. It
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thank you. So you're amazing. You're a
Speaker 1: great person. You're an amazing father. And hey, yeah, wait
Speaker 1: to talk to you again. We'll get together next year.
Speaker 1: We'll have to have it back on the show.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, have the best Christmas with your
Speaker 2: family and give them money.
Speaker 4: I'm run to you six times a year, and the
Speaker 4: more I run into you than the more I know
Speaker 4: my career is popping.
Speaker 2: All right, Jela, thank you so much. Man. We'll talk
Speaker 2: to you later. Hi you doc Hi.
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