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Speaker 1: R n B. Yeah. Oh, it's getting sexy today. What
Speaker 1: this is? It's getting warm, it's getting interesting. You know,
Speaker 1: there's brains, there's beauty. Yeah, there's a gift. There's skill,
Speaker 1: real vocals, real vocals, all wrapped up in real awesome package.
Speaker 1: Let's not waste any time on this, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Makes no noise from miss carry Hill stand.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how to sing miscarry baby thing that.
Speaker 1: I don't have. Come on, come on, come on, I
Speaker 1: always see come on, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know how to sing them. Come on, it's weird, come on,
Speaker 2: excinitely weird. Now, there was a ten second grade series.
Speaker 1: Okay nothing.
Speaker 2: Life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. That's how you're feeling.
Speaker 1: You're feeling like light and love. You want some grand
Speaker 1: rise and ship right now.
Speaker 3: I am. Oh my gosh, oh get away from me.
Speaker 1: You an't even God.
Speaker 2: Damn rocks things, Crystal, Crystal.
Speaker 3: I'll see where this ship going, all right, Christmas and
Speaker 3: tarot card terms ship?
Speaker 1: How far you going? You got some Christmas?
Speaker 2: Have an altar? Okay?
Speaker 1: You know? And you know what every crystal does you you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what they do. Sometimes I have, Yes,
Speaker 2: I charged them, Yes, under the full moon can be
Speaker 2: charged with water with the sun. I charged my car
Speaker 2: different things. You charge your car, Jay.
Speaker 3: Get about three twenty five to three fifty. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean it's nice size battery.
Speaker 2: Do you charge your body?
Speaker 3: Do you do?
Speaker 2: You ground that at your feet?
Speaker 1: Ever since I met everything, since we had we put
Speaker 1: our feet on the ground.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you Eric bene these young pavement because.
Speaker 1: I'm a timbling kind of you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's just where I feel like you got to wear
Speaker 1: your timbling boots all time. Oh your funk what you're doing?
Speaker 1: Remember you you've come on that the snow socks.
Speaker 2: So I'm asing it impeded the so I get my
Speaker 2: I get a little danceability you had already it impeded.
Speaker 2: But maybe it was the times all over.
Speaker 1: This is the talk about was the hell of a dancer?
Speaker 1: Let's start there. I wasn't Chris Brown. Okay, that was
Speaker 1: maybe his cousin Nick Brown. But I wasn't Chris Brown
Speaker 1: should put that in the crayon Brown is nigga Brown?
Speaker 2: My god, it would be a whole box though Okay.
Speaker 1: It's so many that'd be a hell of rainbow.
Speaker 2: Brown would have to be a whole box of crowns.
Speaker 1: First of all, that was nice with the dance. I
Speaker 1: was nice with the choreography. My improv was a little
Speaker 1: little little questionable.
Speaker 2: All right, but I'll give you that.
Speaker 1: You my chore thank you. My choreography was right?
Speaker 3: Did it?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 2: You had you had it?
Speaker 3: Do you have some of them christals on you so
Speaker 3: I can meditate why this nigga over here talking ship?
Speaker 1: First of all, I got a lot of I got
Speaker 1: a lot of.
Speaker 3: You know, y'all make sure y'all google the Freaky video,
Speaker 3: please and.
Speaker 1: Google and google You're my Star video, which I did
Speaker 1: really well in. You had said so yourself, I did.
Speaker 1: I had to give it up. So you're not the
Speaker 1: only one who dances Carrie.
Speaker 2: I actually don't, no, I mean, I've never considered my
Speaker 2: It's just when you brought up the boots, it.
Speaker 1: Was the timberling boots because I flipped thatause I did
Speaker 1: the back flip in the boots.
Speaker 2: You know, that's impressive.
Speaker 1: If you notice that I did the Summer Salt in
Speaker 1: the boots.
Speaker 3: No hands, impressive or just nasty business and out here.
Speaker 1: Flipping n That's just where I'm from. From that it's
Speaker 1: just out of pocket. Out of pocket. Anyway, Thank you
Speaker 1: Carrie for for hanging out with us. I mean we've
Speaker 1: been doing this for a month of Sundays. So this
Speaker 1: is you know, this is not formal. This is love.
Speaker 1: This is our opportunity to give you the love and
Speaker 1: the flowers that you deserve and also an opportunity for
Speaker 1: you to pop your ship because you because you are.
Speaker 3: What you're doing what you and you're doing.
Speaker 1: What you're doing, all right. So what we're gonna do
Speaker 1: is we're gonna take this ship back to the beginning.
Speaker 1: Oh lord, Yeah, we want to know where it come from.
Speaker 1: We want to know where it stopped that.
Speaker 3: Yes, you gotta shout out your beautiful mama. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say hi to my gird.
Speaker 2: This man has had a crush on my mom for
Speaker 2: twenty years now, pretend crush.
Speaker 1: Take us back? When did When was it identified that
Speaker 1: that you had this.
Speaker 2: By others or me?
Speaker 3: Both? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, I knew that I was special or different. Around
Speaker 2: three or four, I remember people always asking me to
Speaker 2: sing whatever song I knew whatever. I just remember being
Speaker 2: at like family reunions and being that young and just like, okay,
Speaker 2: I felt like a karaoke That's why I ended up
Speaker 2: naming my publishing company Karaoke Music, I mean karaoke songs,
Speaker 2: because I remember as a young kid, it was like
Speaker 2: Carrie Sing, Carrie Sing all the way up through church retreats,
Speaker 2: all the way up to high school, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It was always that. So it was like
Speaker 2: I was like, I felt like a karaoke machine. So anyway,
Speaker 2: as young as three and four, that began, I was like,
Speaker 2: why is everybody? But that would be the way that
Speaker 2: that the only way that people would pay attention to me.
Speaker 2: And so of course you're that young, you're going to
Speaker 2: notice that pattern. It's just like, okay, when I'm singing,
Speaker 2: there's everybody's everybody stops, everybody stops, everybody's looking down at me.
Speaker 2: And you know, so my mom said.
Speaker 3: She knew.
Speaker 2: I guess around this she probably knew sooner she's let
Speaker 2: me go to singing. Though singing, I would say, she
Speaker 2: she finally believed enough to let me enter a talent
Speaker 2: show in first grade, and she bought me sheet music.
Speaker 2: Well if I was begging for a few years to perform,
Speaker 2: and you know, but she let me do that just
Speaker 2: to see, just like, what's this little girl?
Speaker 3: What is she?
Speaker 2: You know? All I ever did anyone else?
Speaker 3: Did anyone else in the family sing?
Speaker 2: My dad used to sing. My dad would sing at
Speaker 2: the fireplace with some drinks.
Speaker 3: That's how he would wind down.
Speaker 2: He would come home tipsy and say, hey, everybody. He
Speaker 2: would sit us down and perform for us at the mantle.
Speaker 3: Do you remember what he was saying?
Speaker 2: That it might I'm sure my mom remembers. I'm sure
Speaker 2: my mom remembers his audience his We were a big
Speaker 2: audience though. It was seven of us, well six others
Speaker 2: than him. Yeah, six family of seven. Okay, so we
Speaker 2: had a big ass audience. So we would sit on
Speaker 2: the couch, line up, some of us sit on the floor,
Speaker 2: and Dad would be at the fireplace singing for us,
Speaker 2: and we would just clap. We were annoyed a little
Speaker 2: bit sometimes.
Speaker 1: Right, gig, I need you all to pull up.
Speaker 3: He's already talking to his pull up.
Speaker 2: Awesome, And my mom would be like, he's.
Speaker 3: Drunk because I have one. I'm an alcoholic. Everything goes
Speaker 3: back to the fire.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got it.
Speaker 1: That is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got it from him for sure. But
Speaker 2: my mother's mother was a performer, and my dad's side
Speaker 2: all of them sing his sister, his mother, But my
Speaker 2: mother's mother was a performer, like she was a what
Speaker 2: do you call a baton twirler, there's a more professional
Speaker 2: name for it, the major atte through adulthood. She was
Speaker 2: for a long time, and she would perform and people
Speaker 2: would come to see her, and so that I think
Speaker 2: the performance probably came from her. I'm like the Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like the mesh. Yeah, I'm like the mesh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And that was a later revelation.
Speaker 1: Your first talent show?
Speaker 2: How do you use the first talent show?
Speaker 1: I won?
Speaker 2: I won, and it was a big one. It was
Speaker 2: it was you had to compete for some reason one
Speaker 2: through seven, like first grade through seventh grade, because we
Speaker 2: didn't have middle school, so it was one through seven
Speaker 2: and then eight through twelfth was high school. So they
Speaker 2: had two categories. So I won for the elementary category.
Speaker 3: But you were first grade and you beat everybody.
Speaker 2: Else everybody else alth seventh, yea, I sang I Sing
Speaker 2: Home from the Whiz in a Poka Doddres and a
Speaker 2: side pony pill place.
Speaker 3: Did you have all the theatrics and everything?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's great. Mom coached me through. She brought
Speaker 2: me the sheet music and the karaoke tape. Y'all remember, yeah,
Speaker 2: did you ever have? Did any of y'all? No sheet
Speaker 2: music and the tape to go with it? Like an
Speaker 2: instrumental used to be terrible.
Speaker 3: We have to just learn it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, a capella.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to record it off of the radio
Speaker 1: whatever it was, then play the cassette a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: and then just sit at the piano.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I never had a karaoke Tapeis he was rich?
Speaker 3: You was rich.
Speaker 2: I don't think I could record me though. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you could record you, that's a new level. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying. We went to wad you track. I had
Speaker 2: a team, but you could buy them from record stores
Speaker 2: and piano stores. They had cover she cover music, she
Speaker 2: music sheet music for covers.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't eve get new shoes, let alone, O got
Speaker 1: that music. Start this back in tape. I enjoyed being poor.
Speaker 1: I have way more. I never want to go back.
Speaker 1: I never want to go back. All right, you win
Speaker 1: the talent ship.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that enjoyable.
Speaker 1: And I want to challenge, does this push mom to
Speaker 1: push you? Or does this or just or you just
Speaker 1: let you know? You got it?
Speaker 2: I was pushing her, I got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was pushing her into this.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. My mom was resistant the entire time, but she
Speaker 2: would actual yes enough for me to like, she would,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean?
Speaker 1: I told her she's well studied, smart, it's not just real.
Speaker 3: Real college to the thirteenth.
Speaker 2: Yes, she would. She would. She believed in like allowing
Speaker 2: us to she would enrich our lives with a whole
Speaker 2: lot of different activities. So, yeah, there were some things
Speaker 2: I didn't want to do, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: But I had to do them. And if you wanted
Speaker 2: to play the piano, you're gonna do that, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. She she did believe in that, which
Speaker 2: I'm really really grateful because I'm like great at a
Speaker 2: lot of things. I'm great at pretty much everything I do,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's good at least.
Speaker 1: It's popular ship. This is this is what this is
Speaker 1: for continue.
Speaker 2: I don't suck anything, you know what I mean, anything
Speaker 2: you throw my way, anything you think because I'm a girl,
Speaker 2: because you know what I don't. I'm just saying it's
Speaker 2: from the way that. Yeah, it's a character trait. Greatness
Speaker 2: is a character trait. Excellence is a character trait, right,
Speaker 2: But it's also from being exposed to so much so young,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Just yeah, So when did.
Speaker 1: It become real? Like you as you're going through the
Speaker 1: talent show process, I'm sure there were many of those
Speaker 1: because it was a local thing. When does it become
Speaker 1: like when does it get exposure on another level, maybe
Speaker 1: a commercial or maybe a play, some musical theater or
Speaker 1: a talent shows.
Speaker 2: No, it was I did do musical theater in elementary school,
Speaker 2: and I remember doing a play at I believe it
Speaker 2: was either the Fox Theater or the Rialito. But it
Speaker 2: was like an African wedding. I didn't get to sing no,
Speaker 2: but I was in it, and that was like the
Speaker 2: bug that was like, I see, it's a full audience. Okay.
Speaker 2: If I was carried now, I might have just went rogue.
Speaker 2: I had a lot of moments where I felt like
Speaker 2: it's real, it's nothing but a series of moments. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a series. You got years in between them. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I don't know the first one, but I remember
Speaker 2: one of the big ones was joining the group under
Speaker 2: Marvin McIntyre.
Speaker 1: Marvin McIntyre, Yeah, yeah, that was a big one.
Speaker 2: They formed. I was fourteen. They formed a group around me.
Speaker 2: We were performing, We were showcasing for every label, all
Speaker 2: every all of them, all the ones I grew up
Speaker 2: reading in the credits, all of them. And we ended
Speaker 2: up signing with Merlin Bob and Sylvia Rohne at Electra Electra.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we never came out, but I don't even think
Speaker 2: we got that far. And if we did, if we did, shit,
Speaker 2: we may not have ever gotten it.
Speaker 3: I didn't get to y'all goody.
Speaker 2: No, I think it was actually a demo deal. I
Speaker 2: think it was a demo deal. Yeah, a development deal,
Speaker 2: and so we disbanded before we got to that point.
Speaker 1: There's a development budget too, though, well just for everything
Speaker 1: you say.
Speaker 2: So that's the real thing. And I started writing then too,
Speaker 2: for the group. He's writing the songs that we would
Speaker 2: perform years in. First we were doing covers and then
Speaker 2: I remember this is it wasn't my first taste of
Speaker 2: writing because I had a guy I went to church
Speaker 2: with who had tracks and he was an ass He
Speaker 2: was signed to ASCAP, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: he was kind of in the mix. His name was Terrence,
Speaker 2: shout out of Terrence, and he would give me CDs
Speaker 2: at church of instrumentals. So I'm like, finally I could
Speaker 2: like write to something other than a song like me
Speaker 2: having to erase the arrangement and the singing on top,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like I had to imagine
Speaker 2: the tracks were instrumentals, but I was writing a whole
Speaker 2: new songs over them, and and that was I was
Speaker 2: successful at being able to do that, which is now
Speaker 2: I think informs the way that I create now because
Speaker 2: I can really isolate, you know what I mean, any player, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they gave it a name. I can do that with
Speaker 2: voices too, Like somebody could be talking in a room
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I didn't hear a word you said
Speaker 2: a word.
Speaker 3: That's good and bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah I do that, but it's hyper focused. So it's
Speaker 1: if I'm hyper focused on something, I could oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah he's on out, I'm gone.
Speaker 2: I guess that means I'm hyper focused.
Speaker 1: A baby, baby, baby, Well this is my family member.
Speaker 1: They're still alive. They grew up, They fairy fine, but.
Speaker 2: Like full steps, like stopped out.
Speaker 3: He had this trip moment.
Speaker 1: What is going on? Prince was on TV and it
Speaker 1: was my first time ever singing and hearing Prince. And
Speaker 1: so for me as a kid, things would things would
Speaker 1: hit my brain like and stimulate me in a way
Speaker 1: that I didn't understand and I will completely be lost.
Speaker 1: And I was just I remember walking towards the TV and.
Speaker 2: I hope it wasn't like a dance. I hope you
Speaker 2: were break out.
Speaker 1: I just I just kind of stepped on the baby
Speaker 1: and I remember screaming like what I look at his way,
Speaker 1: So you stepped on the day. I didn't mean to.
Speaker 1: I mean to, And so I can zone out. That's
Speaker 1: the point of.
Speaker 2: The especially when music is involved. I remember those, y'all
Speaker 2: remember those moments.
Speaker 1: God, now you can scare me, Like if I'm zoned out,
Speaker 1: you could scare the ship out of me. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like my kids have done it. It's around.
Speaker 3: Around. So he's stepping on babies.
Speaker 2: Now you're writing, Yeah, I was writing songs, so I
Speaker 2: was getting tracks and then it turned into writing for
Speaker 2: the group, and that was real because he was like, well,
Speaker 2: he put us all in separate rooms and he said,
Speaker 2: here's the track I got. I want to see what
Speaker 2: y'all can do. But had years, I had years.
Speaker 1: Yeah I got this smashed, yeah, real fasts. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like me.
Speaker 2: They were coming to the room like are you done?
Speaker 2: Are you done? I was like, yeah, I'm done. Do
Speaker 2: you have all the parts?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I got the harmonies, you know what I mean? It's
Speaker 2: fully written.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm stuck.
Speaker 3: They had never really done it. I got it, I
Speaker 3: got you, but they had never really done.
Speaker 2: They'd never really done it, and it's not it.
Speaker 1: Do you still?
Speaker 2: Easy thing? I reacquaint with them or one of them
Speaker 2: really from that group? Really only once? And was it
Speaker 2: been thirty years? Okay, not thirty years twenty five?
Speaker 1: Okay? But on the bad way?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, yeah one. Well actually yeah, they went as
Speaker 2: separate as ways could go.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, okay, you remember the name of the group.
Speaker 2: By design, by design, design, give it one became mine? No, no,
Speaker 2: I know, I didn't really like that. I did not
Speaker 2: like the name. I don't like the name.
Speaker 1: Don't never let her bring that back if she signs
Speaker 1: the group. I know, yeah, we're not doing that.
Speaker 2: I didn't like the name. But one became one ended
Speaker 2: up stripping, and one became the Minister of music.
Speaker 3: Yeah became.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that.
Speaker 3: Body was on the.
Speaker 1: Magic City got the best impossible Burger in town? What nothing?
Speaker 2: He goes to Magic City for the impossible Burger tank.
Speaker 1: Yes we do, I mean, yes we do.
Speaker 2: Apparently they do.
Speaker 1: Yes, we do that impossible burger magic shout out to
Speaker 1: Magic I'm just talking to Lulu about that. He was
Speaker 1: on the phone. He's like, he's like, you've been to
Speaker 1: Magic City yet? I said no, but the Impossible Burger
Speaker 1: is calling me. All right. So anyway, this group you're writing,
Speaker 1: does anybody hear that, like hear these songs from this
Speaker 1: group and identify you as as the writer as the
Speaker 1: singular Yes, talent.
Speaker 2: That Anthony did was one of them. Shout yeah, he
Speaker 2: was one of them. Focused Teddy Bishop.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, these are well started getting around.
Speaker 2: It started kind of there's this girl. Yeah, there's this teenager.
Speaker 2: She's also in college.
Speaker 3: So you're in college by now.
Speaker 2: I'm in college. Yeah. Because I was in the group
Speaker 2: from fourteen to I went to college at seventeen. I
Speaker 2: think we disbanded at eighteen. Yeah, fourteen to eighteen.
Speaker 3: How fast did you get in another group? Because I
Speaker 3: met you when you were in a group.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it happened faster than I wanted it to. I
Speaker 2: wanted to work on Carrie, but then then I started
Speaker 2: writing for those people and more right when the group
Speaker 2: disbanded and Dent had the idea to again put a
Speaker 2: group around me. It's not what I wanted, but I said,
Speaker 2: I'll give you a little time on this. I gave
Speaker 2: him a little time on.
Speaker 3: It, and he met me during that group.
Speaker 2: So I was nineteen, I think, or maybe it might
Speaker 2: have been a couple of years. I don't think I
Speaker 2: was twenty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Was pretty Tony.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I like that name. You came front on Pretty It
Speaker 2: was four girls.
Speaker 3: It's a nigga from Oakland naming his group after a
Speaker 3: nigga in the Mac name Pretty Town.
Speaker 1: Yea, I know exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then there's that, but like and we were bad.
Speaker 3: These are these are the pretty Town you remember?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 3: No? I remember saying to Dent, I said, group is cool.
Speaker 3: Her mm hmm. Her ended up being you. This was
Speaker 3: just my assessment of it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And at that point, I'm the super young nigg in
Speaker 3: the industry. I had got me some little records I'm cracking,
Speaker 3: you know, I got placements and ship and moving around
Speaker 3: New York as a writer. I was seeking them as
Speaker 3: my partner, you know what I'm saying, because of our
Speaker 3: mutual friend Stewart, right, so that like, man, Valentine, I
Speaker 3: need you to come by. Man, I got these girls.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm twenty twenty one years whatever I am
Speaker 3: at the time, like you got you said, you got
Speaker 3: yours over there. I come see what she got over there.
Speaker 1: Back.
Speaker 3: I got me a little bag already coming. And then
Speaker 3: you know, I.
Speaker 2: Was there too then because Shakir was very instrumental in
Speaker 2: like setting up our showcases for then, you know, for
Speaker 2: the girl.
Speaker 3: And I was kind of I was quietly a bit
Speaker 3: of a taste maker for them, especially for Shakir, because
Speaker 3: I was younger than them. So it was like if
Speaker 3: our young partner who really out here, really moved went around,
Speaker 3: if he fuck with it, It's something like That's how
Speaker 3: they looked at me, like they without me even being
Speaker 3: an actual an R. I was kind of like the
Speaker 3: consultant that wasn't getting paid. I was getting paid in
Speaker 3: the parties.
Speaker 2: That's when I started. Johntay Austin took me up under
Speaker 2: his wing while I was that was a great wing.
Speaker 2: So he was like, didn't I would say it was
Speaker 2: my first songwriting mentor. And then Johntay like as a
Speaker 2: actual songwriter, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a great wing. He brought me my first He taught
Speaker 2: me how to cover my throat, brought me my first scarf.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 1: Elegant.
Speaker 3: We go over there right there and go open that
Speaker 3: drawer right there. It's it's it's some things in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He taught me so much though about like about just
Speaker 2: formatting and arranging and just I just got to watch.
Speaker 2: He brought me in. Yeah, and he brought me in
Speaker 2: on his sessions and before long because I'm like I said,
Speaker 2: I do everything what at least, well, I'm going to
Speaker 2: I put effort like it's that trait, so like I
Speaker 2: catch on quick, you know what I mean? And that's
Speaker 2: I just God was looking back. God was placing me
Speaker 2: in every scenario that I needed to become.
Speaker 1: Who I became, to grab all those tools.
Speaker 2: Yes, collecting tools for the toolbox. I don't know when
Speaker 2: or how I'm Aneda, but I know I'm a need
Speaker 2: at some point. It was never a doubt in my
Speaker 2: mind that I wouldn't have become famous. I knew really
Speaker 2: really really young.
Speaker 1: Did you know, I didn't know what I knew it was.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know. I didn't know what that meant.
Speaker 1: I know there was a thing I was just I
Speaker 1: just wanted to sing. I just wanted to be I
Speaker 1: just wanted to be like John p Key, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and just you know, in singing church.
Speaker 1: That's that's all I knew. Even when I saw it
Speaker 1: on TV, I was like, oh, that's cool. Like but
Speaker 1: I never said, oh I want to be on TV.
Speaker 1: I never I never said that.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're saying your world was like just so
Speaker 2: far from secular.
Speaker 1: It was so fanatic any of that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I was just it was just if
Speaker 1: if they standing up shouting church. That was the hype
Speaker 1: for me. That was like that was like, oh, oh
Speaker 1: I'm here, I arrived.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I never I mean, to this day, I don't
Speaker 3: I don't even consider myself ever being famous. I don't
Speaker 3: think I've ever been famous in my life. So for me,
Speaker 3: I look at it like you're there. I ran from
Speaker 3: being famous, like you said, I always thought it would happen,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I don't want it.
Speaker 1: M M.
Speaker 3: I just want to go shopping and ship. I just
Speaker 3: want to be able to enjoy my money, So I
Speaker 3: gotta get me some money. Like that's what you will
Speaker 3: push me in somebody's department store, boutique. That's where you
Speaker 3: were running to me. If you want to find me,
Speaker 3: if your city got a fly boutigue or some cool
Speaker 3: ass shoes somewhere, that's what I'm gonna be. But that's
Speaker 3: all for me, that's what I wanted. I never I
Speaker 3: knew fame was going to come if I did certain things,
Speaker 3: so I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do them. I'm famous,
Speaker 3: keep famous on purpose. And yeah, that's why guys like
Speaker 3: al Jamal hate me. He's like, niggas, just go do
Speaker 3: your thing, nigga, Aljamal Youth, you knew you had it,
Speaker 3: Big Jason. All niggas that want to fight, niggas want
Speaker 3: to fight you and beat you up and give your boye.
Speaker 3: Niggas like go do but you saw that.
Speaker 2: I'm now I'm becoming the damn. I'm curious because you
Speaker 2: guys are my friends. I feel like we're just talking
Speaker 2: in the studio. But did you think that what you
Speaker 2: saw your family go through or your brothers like that group, Like,
Speaker 2: do you feel like getting that taste of it when
Speaker 2: you were that young had anything to do with running
Speaker 2: from it?
Speaker 3: I don't like to be bothered, Okay. I like to
Speaker 3: eat in peace. I like to walk through the airport
Speaker 3: in piece.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't want the t s a girl to be
Speaker 3: like I seen you, which is the podcast is fucking
Speaker 3: made that. I'm like, oh, are you flying first class?
Speaker 3: Because I know you don't like to pay for the
Speaker 3: first class ticket.
Speaker 2: She's watching You.
Speaker 3: Got your blanket? I have my blanket, yes for me?
Speaker 3: Like I just I like I like being normal. I
Speaker 3: like normal life. I just want the money that come
Speaker 3: along with y'all famous life.
Speaker 1: Once I got a taste of it, I need it.
Speaker 1: How do I stay? How Once the nigga that was
Speaker 1: doing security for me wouldn't let me in the club
Speaker 1: because I wasn't that famous no more, I said.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, this has never happened again.
Speaker 1: You knew I got to be famous at all times?
Speaker 2: Okay, all time.
Speaker 1: I need the access, at least need the options. Even
Speaker 1: if I don't want to partaket.
Speaker 3: They don't know me and I'm not getting in and
Speaker 3: somebody there, I'm just gonna go home. I don't care,
Speaker 3: like they don't bother me, like I was sick. Oh,
Speaker 3: y'all forul tonight, that's cool. I didn't really want to
Speaker 3: be here anyway.
Speaker 1: It's a little room.
Speaker 2: Who got a sexual.
Speaker 1: Thoughts? What you're doing? You in there right now? There's
Speaker 1: too many I'm away at the house.
Speaker 3: Uh hear me?
Speaker 1: H sickly?
Speaker 3: So you knew you knew fame was in the car, yes, somewhat.
Speaker 3: Did you know as an artist or what? Did you
Speaker 3: see it as like I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Be as an artist? So the groups, to me, I
Speaker 2: kind of felt like they are in my way? Why
Speaker 2: does this keep happening? So they keep putting me in groups?
Speaker 3: Did you also delayed in the back of your mind
Speaker 3: know that it wasn't going to work in a group?
Speaker 2: Yes, huh, the back and the front.
Speaker 1: Hm hm, wow, it's that bullshit.
Speaker 3: You're just passing time in a sense because you're like
Speaker 3: this opportunity.
Speaker 2: Mhm develop relationships. And that's when the idea to cultivate
Speaker 2: songwriting happened. Was just like, that's a waste, that's a
Speaker 2: waste of my time. But this ain't hmm.
Speaker 1: You found purpose within that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a waste of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, while I'm in this space, I
Speaker 1: can develop this.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So I was spreading the board and knowing
Speaker 2: that it was possible that someone we would showcase four
Speaker 2: would just be like I like her. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: knew that was and it did happen.
Speaker 3: It was happening.
Speaker 2: It did happen.
Speaker 1: Okay, so when do you break free?
Speaker 2: College allowed me the first opportunity to break free, even
Speaker 2: though we are in a deal that this is the
Speaker 2: first group by design the second group. Uh, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure I concocted a plan and carried it
Speaker 2: through and I was successful.
Speaker 1: Get out exit plan diabolical. I've been there.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's how. I don't remember what I chose. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm sure I had some ideas and.
Speaker 3: I carried I'm getting out of this ship the spire
Speaker 3: along fire start running. Then they're not as fast as me.
Speaker 1: The building later literally yeah.
Speaker 3: But it makes sense. So when do you get your
Speaker 3: first hit record? Then as a as a writer.
Speaker 2: As a writer, okay, hip first hit, I can't play
Speaker 2: that game. First placement, I remember my first placement. No,
Speaker 2: I'm lying. The first one I got to check for.
Speaker 2: It was Ruben Stuttered for the first album, for his
Speaker 2: first album, his first album. I think that's the first
Speaker 2: one that paid. I don't remember. I remember that like
Speaker 2: the group of first I was working listen, bruh. I
Speaker 2: was doing two or three occasional four sessions a day,
Speaker 2: like you know how they do in La now where
Speaker 2: the writer goes two hours here and then two hours.
Speaker 2: They could work an eight hour day, but they've been
Speaker 2: with four or five producers throughout that time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you. That was me in Atlanta. I had
Speaker 3: school in Atlanta where nothing is.
Speaker 2: My school was like an hour away, yes exactly, nothing
Speaker 2: was close. So that was me. Then this is what
Speaker 2: two thousand. I graduated in two thousands, so it would
Speaker 2: have been like I guess two oh three ish. Sure,
Speaker 2: and that was that.
Speaker 3: No, I can attest to that. Come to Atlanta and
Speaker 3: Carrie's like she's come by the crib. I'm like, all right, cool,
Speaker 3: She's like, we're gonna write. Carrie knew how to work
Speaker 3: her little pro tool set up, like she really knew
Speaker 3: how to get through all the shit. It was like
Speaker 3: me going to one of the other Homies spots and
Speaker 3: you know, I always had my home studios and I
Speaker 3: had my different stuff too, and I'm like, oh, she
Speaker 3: on her shit. I actually enjoy writing and working with her,
Speaker 3: because you know, we all know this, We've all male
Speaker 3: our female. You get to some people and you're just like, yo,
Speaker 3: how are you even in the music business.
Speaker 5: You don't know what the fuck you're doing?
Speaker 3: Y Yeah, and I'm gonna call this engineer. Man, No,
Speaker 3: this nigga ain't got here yet. It's like by this time,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to go to Papa Dogs. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: get a body here. Bron You wasn't ready. It wasn't.
Speaker 3: I went to Carrie's house and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: she gets it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, she fucking gets it. Like she is
Speaker 3: on top of her shit. She's not wasting no time,
Speaker 3: she's not playing around. We were going to and we
Speaker 3: did write a song. You know what I'm saying like
Speaker 3: that's something that we all shoot for, we all writers
Speaker 3: and producers, and like we've all been there. You want
Speaker 3: to finish some ship, yes, we want to write some ship.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: And he wanted to be great, to be great yeah
Speaker 2: every time. So yeah, the hook we were. I had
Speaker 2: a food time. This was like upstairs upstairs at the
Speaker 2: house that I stayed in during college, and I just
Speaker 2: turned upstairs to this blue I call it the Blue Room,
Speaker 2: but it was just my studio and have my pro
Speaker 2: tools rigged.
Speaker 3: Mike.
Speaker 2: That was what I did with my first check, was
Speaker 2: bought everything I needed.
Speaker 3: Question. I wanted to know what she did with that check.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what blew.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: I bought a car too. I bought a ooh that
Speaker 2: thing was cold. I bought the first car I bought
Speaker 2: myself was a BMW three thirty c I I see.
Speaker 2: So I had the convertible and it was this you
Speaker 2: probably remember you explain it, okay, But it was this
Speaker 2: graphite color that looked one way when you look at
Speaker 2: one angle, and then looked a different way when it
Speaker 2: looked a different angle.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It was that it was it was it was like
Speaker 2: a purply gray, you know, like a periwinkle kind of
Speaker 2: dolphin gray. Yeah, it depends on how it was. Everything
Speaker 2: in the gray spectrum with a little purple in it,
Speaker 2: a little.
Speaker 1: You still feel good about.
Speaker 2: I loved I loved that car.
Speaker 3: But did you have a publishing?
Speaker 2: I waited almost a decade to do a publishing just
Speaker 2: about not really, I went a decade. I don't remember
Speaker 2: what year I did that, but I know it was
Speaker 2: a lot of offers for a long time. It was
Speaker 2: at least maybe could have been from the moment from
Speaker 2: the first check to the time when I it was
Speaker 2: about that maybe eight or nine years.
Speaker 3: I waited.
Speaker 2: I waited, I stacked up. I had singles on the radio,
Speaker 2: stacked up. I was like, because everybody kept saying, you know,
Speaker 2: there was this thing about having records in the pipeline
Speaker 2: and that's when publishing companies are interested in you. I
Speaker 2: was like, well, let me see what they do. When
Speaker 2: I got them on the radio, I just felt like that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like I was smart move.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: She also had the cheat code too, though, what was
Speaker 3: the chica who was in? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like that whole.
Speaker 2: Way I know, Paulo introduced me to Ethiopia when I
Speaker 2: was my artists stuff. Yes, yes, so I ended up there,
Speaker 2: but no, I turned down a whole lot. We ain't
Speaker 2: gonna name them, name, no names, but all the like
Speaker 2: heavy heavy ones, heavy ones, heavy one.
Speaker 3: Once you get records, Once you get records on albums
Speaker 3: are singles out, every single publisher is coming coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah there, and they are, And a lot of it
Speaker 2: was laughable because at that point, like I knew, you
Speaker 2: remember the Donald Passman book All you need to Know
Speaker 2: about the music business, and like between that and the
Speaker 2: relationships that I had cultivated over there was over those
Speaker 2: years like I would ask questions, I would research, I
Speaker 2: would look it up, I would you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I knew I wanted to be really, really wise with
Speaker 2: these permanent decisions because I knew what a deal blowing
Speaker 2: up looked like, you know what I mean? So I
Speaker 2: didn't want to be there again.
Speaker 1: So when do you get to polo? When do I
Speaker 1: get how does that happen?
Speaker 2: I was a writer. I remember passing him at some
Speaker 2: session I was doing. I think he was leaving and
Speaker 2: I was coming, or I was leaving and no, I
Speaker 2: was leaving and he was coming. We passed each other
Speaker 2: in the front. He was like, hey, a little Birdie
Speaker 2: told me you would dope and I said, okay, so
Speaker 2: I you know, I was leaving and he Our group
Speaker 2: ended up up performing at this stadium at the same
Speaker 2: our group and his group, Jim Crumb, I.
Speaker 1: Got you remember Jim Crubb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then we got to know each other. I
Speaker 2: can't remember which order this happened. I think it was
Speaker 2: Bertie told me you're dope first, and then or at
Speaker 2: someble I don't know, maybe the group performance happened. I
Speaker 2: don't know. It's all you know, y'all know how'd be.
Speaker 2: But those two events happened. And so this is how
Speaker 2: I knew Polo because I think I remember going outside
Speaker 2: that session. I want to say, the conversation engaged like
Speaker 2: I was just at first, I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: that's you know, that's nice. I didn't know really what
Speaker 2: whire who, but he had an idea and he walked
Speaker 2: outside with me, or walked me to my car, I think,
Speaker 2: and was like like he made it like he was
Speaker 2: working with Timbaland on something, right. I didn't really believe him,
Speaker 2: but that was it. And then I was working one
Speaker 2: night with Donnie Skantz, Donny's scant Scantleberry, Yeah, d scance.
Speaker 2: So he we did a lot of we actually were
Speaker 2: about to do it prop. We were doing kind of
Speaker 2: like an alternative. We had a whole round of like
Speaker 2: some really dope live stuff. We performed it randomly once,
Speaker 2: I think. But anyway, so we were working and so
Speaker 2: one night he asked me, and he's like, if somebody
Speaker 2: were who would you want to be with as an
Speaker 2: artist if you were thinking, because they both everybody at
Speaker 2: that point knew that I wasn't vocal about pursuing the
Speaker 2: artist thing. Carrie is a songwriter, she's an arranger, she's
Speaker 2: producing your vocals, she's engineering your session, she's doing the
Speaker 2: rough mix, she's you know what I mean. That's how
Speaker 2: that was everyone's awareness of me. So this guy says,
Speaker 2: whichever one it was, Polo or Donnie, says, if you
Speaker 2: were an artist, who do you think would get your music?
Speaker 2: And I say Timbaland hands down.
Speaker 3: You never met Tim.
Speaker 2: I never met him, And it wasn't long before somebody
Speaker 2: made Timbleland aware of me. I meet with him at
Speaker 2: a hotel. It's early morning. I was fresh off vacation.
Speaker 2: I had these like dread things like these locks in
Speaker 2: my hair. Vacation hair. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: You girls never want to go on vacation with your
Speaker 3: with your every day hair. Go ahead, girls, take in
Speaker 3: your vacation bid.
Speaker 2: And at that same studio loft that we you and
Speaker 2: I worked in, and I had just gone to bed.
Speaker 2: I had just gone to bed. This is that thing
Speaker 2: about being ready, being prepared. I had just gone to
Speaker 2: bed at like six or seven in the morning. So
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that I even answered the phone call. Normally
Speaker 2: after a session when I'm what I'm done, especially if
Speaker 2: it's we're getting in, I got in in the morning.
Speaker 2: I just happened to answer the phone, like just in
Speaker 2: case something was wrong, and it was. I was finishing
Speaker 2: up a record with Pope. I think it was Pimpan
Speaker 2: all Over the World. I remember doing that song at
Speaker 2: the student studio. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure. I know
Speaker 2: we did that song at that studio and I didn't
Speaker 2: work it was I'm pretty sure it was that same day,
Speaker 2: and because we did Pimpan all the World Runaway Love
Speaker 2: during the same session, yeah, at the same spot. So
Speaker 2: we had just gone to bed, and I'm just thinking
Speaker 2: he just want to say something like I had literally
Speaker 2: just hopped in again. It's like I would say about seven, Hey, hey,
Speaker 2: Timbaland is in town and he wants to meet you.
Speaker 2: I say. When he said like nine nine thirty, I
Speaker 2: was like, I haven't been to bed. Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: well this is it. So instead of going to sleep,
Speaker 2: I go upstairs. I put together a demo, printed the
Speaker 2: song titles, and then I put the sticker on the CD. Like, well,
Speaker 2: I had never thought it had been years kind of
Speaker 2: since I had pursued being an artist or even said
Speaker 2: it to anybody, you know what I mean. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do that, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: I put together a CD of I guess maybe I
Speaker 2: think I had four songs on each side, so probably
Speaker 2: eight songs. And then I got dressed, went to the
Speaker 2: hotel and played songs that I've written for other people
Speaker 2: that I was like, I guess if I were an artist,
Speaker 2: this is what I would sound like. Let me try
Speaker 2: to make this cohesive and put them in the water
Speaker 2: sequence it like it's a project, like you know. So
Speaker 2: that's what I did, and what he said, bounce records down.
Speaker 2: Tim said, oh I know what to do with this.
Speaker 2: I know what to do with this, so he says,
Speaker 2: and I played on records. There was one record that
Speaker 2: he really liked, and he said, that's your crimea River.
Speaker 2: And I said, shit, shit, yeah this yeah, and it was.
Speaker 2: It was a song I did with Dan Donnie called
Speaker 2: Strange Angel, and it was alternative sounding, but it had
Speaker 2: enough of a cadence that I knew exactly what tim.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, I could hear that.
Speaker 3: I can hear that.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so he says those two things that I'll
Speaker 2: never forget. I know what to do with you. I
Speaker 2: know what to do with this meaning this meaning you right,
Speaker 2: And then that's your crimea River. I'm like, God, damn,
Speaker 2: I manifested this ship. I didn't even know that word
Speaker 2: back then. I didn't say that, but I was like,
Speaker 2: that was one of my first awarenesses of God because
Speaker 2: I spoke that. I spoke that someone maybe a year
Speaker 2: or whatever before. It's like, if you could be with
Speaker 2: one producer. And I remember really giving it some thought
Speaker 2: because there were listen, I'm a Babyface fan, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It was a lot of people I
Speaker 2: could have chosen from Teddy Riley, it was a lot
Speaker 2: of people that I really appreciated who were you know? Producing?
Speaker 2: And I landed on Timbaland after giving that some real
Speaker 2: It wasn't a quick conversation. It was like I don't
Speaker 2: like to answer things inauthentically, so but I landed with
Speaker 2: Timbland and then he's like, hey, so, what are you
Speaker 2: doing tonight? I was like, I had sessions, but I
Speaker 2: said nothing.
Speaker 1: Call everyone telling my mon available.
Speaker 2: I said nothing, and in the back of my head
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, in the back of my mind,
Speaker 2: I was like, you asking me when I'm doing It's
Speaker 2: not a damn thing. Nothing is going to be more
Speaker 2: important than whatever the fuck you're about to Ask me.
Speaker 2: Wh're about you want to do? Yea, And so he
Speaker 2: said can you come to Miami? I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't expect that talk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what I was doing wasn't here somewhere else? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Are you ready to go? He gets
Speaker 1: you back.
Speaker 2: The flight was at three o'clock.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's high level.
Speaker 2: I love it was that three o'clock.
Speaker 1: Are you are you ready? You say, I know you
Speaker 1: got ready, yeah to come over here, but are you ready?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You go to Miami?
Speaker 2: And I was ready that day. I go that day,
Speaker 2: hours after.
Speaker 3: The meeting, right, and you still ain't slept.
Speaker 2: Still ain't slept. And went straight to the studio and
Speaker 2: we worked on that record. And I stayed at his house.
Speaker 2: Did I say his house? I can't remember the first trip.
Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, this house is so damn big.
Speaker 2: It was like being in a hotel room. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think so, because it wasn't any time to think. It
Speaker 2: was at his house. It was cold as hell. God
Speaker 2: Tim mused to keep his house so cold. I bet
Speaker 2: he still does. It was miserable. I was miserable. But
Speaker 2: but but I was on such a cloud nine. We
Speaker 2: went straight in and worked on that record that I
Speaker 2: had just laid.
Speaker 3: It's fine, So I'm just gonna be in here.
Speaker 2: Telling other people.
Speaker 1: He's got to ask.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But immediately it was like this brother sister. You know
Speaker 2: how you just meet people and you just know we
Speaker 2: were meant to create something to get.
Speaker 1: It was that and that the like you're locking with Tim.
Speaker 1: You got the writing going on with Polo, and once
Speaker 1: you meet Tim, I'm sure you're anticipating that it's time.
Speaker 3: It's real.
Speaker 1: Now I'm getting what you waiting for. The artist that
Speaker 1: I've always known I was going to be first time.
Speaker 1: Does that happen immediately or is there some time? And
Speaker 1: maybe some frustration in oh.
Speaker 3: About what.
Speaker 2: I would say?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Mind you? First, second night I was in Miami. We
Speaker 2: were offered a million dollar deal. What's his name? That
Speaker 2: was at Atlantic, Peter Edge, he was there doing some
Speaker 2: things with Tim was working on some Brandy joints And
Speaker 2: was it Peter Edge? No? Atlantic? What is.
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I don't remember who it was. Someone there for the
Speaker 2: flying in just for the day, heard what we were doing.
Speaker 2: He was at Atlantic and he was over Brandy's project.
Speaker 2: So we'll figure out who that is later. Sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I've lived a lot of lots and I hate that
Speaker 2: I can't remember that, but a million dollars deal first
Speaker 2: or second night? Like Tim hid me, He hid me
Speaker 2: in the room. He didn't want, you know, but the
Speaker 2: guy had already heard what we were doing. He didn't
Speaker 2: I don't know why he reacted this way, but he
Speaker 2: was like staying there, literally staying. I was in the
Speaker 2: lounge area. And maybe because we weren't supposed to be
Speaker 2: working on anything else other than the Brandy stuff, like
Speaker 2: he probably was like, yeah, I don't want them to
Speaker 2: think that, but it was Tim's studio. They probably exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: It's probably supposed to be mixing or yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 2: that ain't what we were doing.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you've been a songwriter and you've been
Speaker 3: making money. Had you made a million dollars yet? No,
Speaker 3: because you hadn't done no publishing deal yet either.
Speaker 2: No, So no, I don't think you had chunk of
Speaker 2: money like that, right, chunks of like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pieces forty and fifties, yeah, a couple sixty five yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. So to hear that, even
Speaker 3: that number, and now obviously the new artists, now, you know,
Speaker 3: you hear these astronomical things off of you know, the
Speaker 3: analytics of how many streams they and whatever they got
Speaker 3: going on? Now where they getting these stupid deals that
Speaker 3: they'll never pay back. But you've been in the game
Speaker 3: that long to finally hear that number, that number used
Speaker 3: to be really real number. It will wake you up.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it won't wait.
Speaker 3: They won't give me what a million dollars doing your
Speaker 3: doctor immediately? You know, it was different, It was different.
Speaker 2: It was and I was impressed. I was just happy.
Speaker 2: I just knew I had some work to do because
Speaker 2: I didn't have any songs as an artist, really, Like
Speaker 2: some of the records I played were things I had
Speaker 2: already played, you know what I mean, maybe one or
Speaker 2: two of them. But I just didn't know, really I had.
Speaker 2: It had been years since I had even thought about
Speaker 2: what kind of artists I would. I lost sight. It
Speaker 2: wasn't that I didn't believe, because I still knew that
Speaker 2: it would happen. But I was just fully immersed in
Speaker 2: songwriting that I or so fully, so fully. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you something about this lip loss. It makes it's sticky,
Speaker 2: it makes you talk funny. Okay, oh my god, Jesus,
Speaker 2: so fully immersed. I was fully immersed in songwriting, so
Speaker 2: fully immersed that I couldn't think. I didn't give myself.
Speaker 2: I didn't have the bandwidth, so I had to figure
Speaker 2: it out. But I got timbling. So that's yeah, I
Speaker 2: got timbling, now, you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 2: Tim and Polo are talking about doing a joint venture,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's a pretty good combo, even though
Speaker 2: at the time I didn't really believe in Polo that much.
Speaker 2: It was really Tim was the draw, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying Polo was cool. He was figuring it out.
Speaker 2: His levels were real weird to me, you know, can
Speaker 2: we like eq that and like what it was? His
Speaker 2: tracks were messy, but they had potentially because he had umph.
Speaker 2: Polo had a certain, a certain he was going to
Speaker 2: sell that.
Speaker 3: What you sell it the jump producer executive. He gonna
Speaker 3: make you believe in anything, y'all. Don't get it. You crazy, y'all,
Speaker 3: don't get it.
Speaker 2: You're crazy here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, go to the basic level that that is
Speaker 3: needed in this industry.
Speaker 1: It's needed.
Speaker 3: I said all the time. You gotta have that because
Speaker 3: you can have something great in front.
Speaker 2: Of you college factor, Dame.
Speaker 3: Dash you know what I mean. You can have all
Speaker 3: of those things. You can have the great artists you can,
Speaker 3: but someone who can sell it to people true, Don
Speaker 3: kingtt Don.
Speaker 2: King absolutely for sure.
Speaker 3: Really you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be the mouth.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know what's now for you?
Speaker 2: Now it's back to music.
Speaker 1: You really, I love this.
Speaker 2: That's all that's left to do.
Speaker 3: This like you locked in fully, locked into this.
Speaker 2: Finished, I'm not finished. I'm not finished.
Speaker 3: Mother.
Speaker 1: The music.
Speaker 3: I love him, It's needed.
Speaker 2: It took a second in a second, a lot of
Speaker 2: things happened that that prevented it. I blame it on
Speaker 2: one thing, but really it was years of a struggle. Amen,
Speaker 2: you got through that. I thought through that.
Speaker 3: I thought through that.
Speaker 2: But I'm free and I'm ready. You just can't, you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes you can't create with burdens, with with with a
Speaker 2: dark cloud, under duress, under duress, you can try.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Creativity, I think, and I feel closest to God when
Speaker 2: I'm creating.
Speaker 1: A my my my mind.
Speaker 3: Come on, Bishop, Okay, come on, Ain't that that's that's
Speaker 3: what they.
Speaker 2: Say, right, And that is supposed to be a burdenless space.
Speaker 2: It should be, it should be, that is supposed to
Speaker 2: be full freedom. I'm a channel in this moment. I'm
Speaker 2: a vessel. I need to listen, I need to hear.
Speaker 2: But there was so much stress, depression, division amongst my team,
Speaker 2: everything just just I mean, one thing after next, like
Speaker 2: so much. It just couldn't. It just couldn't. And then
Speaker 2: my dad died, and then it really couldn't because that
Speaker 2: was my that was that was it was my dude.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but here we are back. I feel and
Speaker 2: it's got to feel. It's gotta when you have the
Speaker 2: freedom too, when you're not having to wh're not struggling,
Speaker 2: you don't have to force things out and throw things out,
Speaker 2: and you can take your time and make sure it's
Speaker 2: what you want to present in that I'm I got.
Speaker 2: I played it for someone the other day, like someone,
Speaker 2: someone who, someone who knows, who really really knows, who's
Speaker 2: been doing, who's been on top for a very long time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he called my music tall and mighty, m tall and might,
Speaker 2: he said, I think I wrote it down. I wrote
Speaker 2: it all down because it was like I was liked
Speaker 2: and you get these you know, I've had moments like that.
Speaker 2: I knew, I knew, I knew what I was doing
Speaker 2: was if you got how much longer are you guys
Speaker 2: in town.
Speaker 3: Long enough to hear it? That's all that mattered, But
Speaker 3: how long we're here?
Speaker 2: Because I'm trying to see if you're gonna be here
Speaker 2: when I get back, you get back Sunday, I leave
Speaker 2: for Tonight's we're back Sunday. I was wondering if you
Speaker 2: guys will still be here anyway. I would love to play,
Speaker 2: but yeah, there are moments when you get this and
Speaker 2: this was like yeah, so anyway, I feel like We're
Speaker 2: starting to take meetings to figure out where we how
Speaker 2: we want to do this thing, where we want to do.
Speaker 1: This got and lifted offering.
Speaker 2: Man, go ahead with some right here. I don't have cash.
Speaker 2: Can I venmo in church?
Speaker 3: This for y'all? This you know, I mean that for y'all.
Speaker 3: Just lifted in church, just praise and worship.
Speaker 2: Listen. Now we can talk about God. We can go
Speaker 2: there too.
Speaker 1: Yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 2: He'll let you know. He'll let You'll make it real obvious.
Speaker 2: God'll let you know. If you ask, he'll let you know.
Speaker 2: He wants you to know.
Speaker 3: We want to know something to them. What who would
Speaker 3: we like to know? Top five?
Speaker 1: Yes? Your top five? Yes, top five, you're top, come
Speaker 1: on anything. All the songs.
Speaker 2: Okay, you got to go.
Speaker 3: You got to show. You got to doll your.
Speaker 4: Top Yeah right, yeah, your tip.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: That boy good? Carrie Willson. Yes, your top five R
Speaker 1: and B singers.
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, gotta be in that thing.
Speaker 1: Michael.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm an eighties baby.
Speaker 1: You like Big Mike?
Speaker 2: Which one?
Speaker 1: Which one you want? All Mike?
Speaker 3: Mike, Mike all the time, all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mm hmm hmm. Mariah Carrey is in there, I think,
Speaker 2: because I'm talking. If we're talking mine, this is carry
Speaker 2: you list who matters to you?
Speaker 3: Little car?
Speaker 2: Who mattered to who raised?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: It was I wrote it, I wrote, I wrote, I
Speaker 2: wrote a letter to go to camp.
Speaker 3: Mariah.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yes I did. I was really young. No,
Speaker 2: we moved. Mom said she mailed it. We moved and
Speaker 2: I found the fucking letter.
Speaker 3: I was so mad she didn't mail it.
Speaker 2: She didn't mail it, she didn't send it off. I
Speaker 2: had a real good shot, you know, I'm a writer,
Speaker 2: like you know.
Speaker 1: I wrote, Yes, the.
Speaker 2: I found it in the door of the death like betrayal, betrayal,
Speaker 2: how you rolling mom my first dose? All right, So Michael, Mariah,
Speaker 2: Lauren Hill would be in that Lauren, Lauren's in there
Speaker 2: for sure? Who I say, Mike, Mariah, Bobby Brown.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Bobby up there around Bobby.
Speaker 2: And I said, Lauren Hill was that for I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give it to you. I'm gonna give you the fifth loot.
Speaker 3: Boy boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. When Jay told that story, when I said
Speaker 2: I'm a huge tank, that was real. Like Polo asked
Speaker 2: me to stop saying your name and interviews when they
Speaker 2: were asking me my musical influences are people that I
Speaker 2: was inspired by, Like he's to ask me to stop
Speaker 2: saying Tank. Yes, Yes, that's what he did.
Speaker 1: That's what he did. We gotta talk, man, it's too much,
Speaker 1: too much. Take it's too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bobby, I don't know why. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, Top five R and B songs because
Speaker 1: we know you're a writer.
Speaker 3: You know, we know what you do.
Speaker 2: Okay, rock with you? Yeah, up, rock with you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it to rock with you. No, not
Speaker 2: that one. Not even want to rock with you.
Speaker 5: Not just to a too for those because you can
Speaker 5: kind of get both of them off.
Speaker 3: You said the title, it could be the Bobby all
Speaker 3: the m J. But rock with You by Bobby Browns
Speaker 3: is so cool. It is.
Speaker 1: It's a cultural.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, it's a it's a feeling you feel good
Speaker 3: when you hear that.
Speaker 2: You do, who don't, who don't? And it was a
Speaker 2: toss up between that and Ronnie, but I think I
Speaker 2: would give it to it was it was a toss
Speaker 2: up in my mind, like which one? But it's a
Speaker 2: Bobby one on there for sure. I'm talking all time.
Speaker 2: It's hard to do top.
Speaker 3: Somewhere up there when you mentioned the the top ever
Speaker 3: debut R and B album, because that wasn't he would
Speaker 3: have it in the group. But I'm talking about strong
Speaker 3: easy facts, facts, my prerogative.
Speaker 1: Easy facts.
Speaker 3: You can put that up against anything. You put that
Speaker 3: album up against anything.
Speaker 2: That's very breaking my heart, pretty bad eyes. That's a
Speaker 2: strong one, because that's like that was kind of the
Speaker 2: eraror where you started to hear live music, you know,
Speaker 2: and not everything wasn't.
Speaker 1: Programmed, started to hear.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess I don't know it just band
Speaker 2: his voice is gonna cut through. Ready you're not? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll give you what come on, Kevin and mad Yes,
Speaker 2: oh come on, I started, I started?
Speaker 5: What was it it was? It was like, yeah, it's
Speaker 5: like when the first time I saw him singing that
Speaker 5: loud with the punch him in his face.
Speaker 2: Wow, you can't be Yeah, I do that okay.
Speaker 3: In full chat. I can get that off in falls
Speaker 3: full chance. I can't get that off it. Just he's
Speaker 3: gonna do it every night, every night, every day.
Speaker 2: Man, this is tough. All right. This was definitely going
Speaker 2: in there. Don't stop the music. People's in Yarborough. I
Speaker 2: don't know why it's people. I thought it was Yarbor
Speaker 2: and people's. But anyway, that baseline and her voice. I
Speaker 2: got four more.
Speaker 3: Come on?
Speaker 2: Can I just throw them out there? Atlantic Star always girl,
Speaker 2: you are me? Oh that should be and I dedicated
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: That's enough.
Speaker 2: Nothing even matters. Ah, It's one of my ones. As
Speaker 2: soon as I get home, Faith Evans, Yes, thank.
Speaker 3: You, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm giving.
Speaker 3: I get mad at people if they don't know that song.
Speaker 3: What I've been mad at some people that you don't
Speaker 3: know this song. I played it for an adult who
Speaker 3: didn't know it, and it was like, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1: Wait way I got I got Faith Evans as a gift.
Speaker 1: The girl at the time knew how much I love
Speaker 1: Faith and got me the cossette as a gift.
Speaker 3: We need you on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Faith Please love her, love her and computer love.
Speaker 1: Come on with Charlie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, insane fact, we got something else for you. We're
Speaker 3: not just gonna let you go out of here without
Speaker 3: this right now? Huh what you got saying? Saying? No?
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 3: Where you was what you did?
Speaker 1: Don't say? I ain't saying no name.
Speaker 3: Huh oh, we got carry he'llson hot in the hot seate.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't like I don't like y'all all that.
Speaker 2: I don't like your games.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Because you know this is
Speaker 3: this segment is important. I ain't saying no names thing.
Speaker 2: I gotta find a story in my head that people
Speaker 2: can't link to.
Speaker 3: Man, listen, it's this up to you. It's your story.
Speaker 3: But you gotta tell us a story because you hear
Speaker 3: and this is I ain't saying no names. Will you
Speaker 3: tell us a story funny or fucked up? Are funny
Speaker 3: and fucked up? The only rule to the game is
Speaker 3: that you can ain't say no names funny. And you've
Speaker 3: had trivos in this game. You've been in this thing.
Speaker 3: He was on the shelf for five years. Ship that
Speaker 3: could have happen when I was on the shelf, when
Speaker 3: you was off the shelf. You know what, what what
Speaker 3: little Lillo say, Rit me off the plastic and make
Speaker 3: a brand new Yeah, when you got off the shelf too,
Speaker 3: you know yeah, you know you know that no boys allowed?
Speaker 3: You know you know what I mean? When you were
Speaker 3: you weren't playing with little boys. You told them, ain't
Speaker 3: no boys allowed around here playing No little boy, little
Speaker 3: last boy as a boy, I'm not playing you made
Speaker 3: you had chains and ship. I remember you was selling chains.
Speaker 2: People still show up with their no boys allowed chain
Speaker 2: to my current merch, the old merch on merch. Yeah
Speaker 2: that's like what thirteen years.
Speaker 3: M Let me know your eddy, Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Let me bring you on and ship, Let me bring
Speaker 3: you on in. This is this is, this is Carrie Hoiston.
Speaker 3: You're turning me on.
Speaker 1: Knock it out.
Speaker 3: Ain't no boys allowed you to come in here as
Speaker 3: a motherfucking grown ass man.
Speaker 1: Pretty pretty good around here, because.
Speaker 3: Yeah, carry I ain't saying no names. Oh yeah, the
Speaker 3: deep side and took a sip of water too.
Speaker 2: All right. When you're a performer, yes, you know, we
Speaker 2: know how important it is to give love to other performers. Yes, right,
Speaker 2: especially when you happened to be sitting on the front
Speaker 2: row at their show. M okay, mind you, no one else,
Speaker 2: no one else was performing. Was anybody else performing that night?
Speaker 2: Do you know what night I'm even referring to?
Speaker 3: Yet?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's fine, all right, fine for him too, Yes
Speaker 2: he was there. Okay, So I remember I don't want
Speaker 2: to be here energy. M M, I don't know why
Speaker 2: I'm here. She was with a gentleman, he was she
Speaker 2: was his guest. I know the guy very well. She
Speaker 2: was with him, so she was his you know. She
Speaker 2: didn't want to be there. It was very obvious, and
Speaker 2: I felt disrespected by that. So when they came to
Speaker 2: my dressing room backstage, I said something and we almost
Speaker 2: got to scrapping. My decatur came out, her town came out,
Speaker 2: uh and uh. It could have got real ugly.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being in the front row on my
Speaker 1: show and giving me no energy.
Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly how I said it, but it
Speaker 2: was worse than that. It was, but it was that.
Speaker 2: It was that it was like we spell artists. You
Speaker 2: already know what it's like. You could give a courtesy, Bob.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things you can do, a lot
Speaker 2: of things you can do to show to show love.
Speaker 2: But she was this.
Speaker 3: Mmm damn in the front row.
Speaker 2: She was that business, looking at the nasty business, and
Speaker 2: I just felt on her phone, Oh, while everybody else
Speaker 2: is standing up around here, I was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is intentionally rude, Like you you want to get slapped.
Speaker 2: That's how I felt you've you're calling me, you're speaking
Speaker 2: to a certain spirit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you doubted.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I I've always been secular.
Speaker 3: Do they have those rocks?
Speaker 2: She doted up on them?
Speaker 3: They got those rocks?
Speaker 2: It up, that's why. That's why I got the gyms.
Speaker 2: Now keep it, keep it on. Keep just why I got.
Speaker 2: That's exactly why we haven't because this is on me, now, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't like to go there.
Speaker 1: But it almost went there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like people had to be ushered away, people had
Speaker 2: to be it was. It was that because I had
Speaker 2: to say something. I had to say something. I had
Speaker 2: to figure out what the it was because I felt
Speaker 2: disrespect the whole show. Come on, man, come on, you
Speaker 2: don't do that unless you want, unless you are purposely
Speaker 2: I guess. So now you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: And who remember? You don't remember who it was? Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's pretty insignificant at this point.
Speaker 1: And well yeah, Carrie, uh, but I ain't say you
Speaker 1: ain't saying he saying no name. We appreciate you, man,
Speaker 1: you have you have put in a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of amazing work, a lot of amazing and from
Speaker 1: what it sounds like, you have more amazing work to come.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we want to hear it.
Speaker 1: Being so, we are anticipating more greatness from you. You're dope.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it inside man. Thank you, appreciate it,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: And likewise, and this is the R and B Money
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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
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