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Speaker 1: what's happening? Why didn't you get a podcast yesterday? A

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Speaker 1: the mail bag. Right this second, Jason is kicking us off.

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Speaker 1: Good question here. We'll probably talk about this on Late

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Speaker 1: Kick Live in some shape form or fashion tomorrow night, Jason,

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Speaker 1: of athlete are we looking for? What are our three

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Speaker 1: critical factors for the strong safety position. What are the

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Speaker 1: five tenets of our strength and conditioning a nutrition program?

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Speaker 1: How do those two things overlap? And basically, this is

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Speaker 1: not stuff you have to worry about if you're just

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Speaker 1: sitting there watching a game on Saturday, but obviously if

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Speaker 1: you're building a program, these are the very foundational elements.

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Speaker 1: I use the word pillar for a reason. These are

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Speaker 1: the pillars. If you've ever seen one of those old

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Speaker 1: Roman buildings, those big columns, those pillars. Those buildings don't

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Speaker 1: stand without the pillars. You can have all the pretty

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Speaker 1: fresco paintings you want to or fresca if a female

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Speaker 1: painted it, yes, don't check it. That's just how it works.

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Speaker 1: Any artwork done by a lady, you put an A

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Speaker 1: on the end of it, and all the artwork done

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Speaker 1: by men, you put an O on the end of it.

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Speaker 1: And that's just the way it is. Don't ask me.

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Speaker 1: I don't make the rules. But look, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: how many ornaments you have on the tree and the

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Speaker 1: string of popcorn. If you don't have the tree, it's

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Speaker 1: just a bunch of ornaments laying on the ground. And

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Speaker 1: so at Texas, I'm not singling out Texas, I kind

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Speaker 1: of am because I needed an example, But that's how

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Speaker 1: it's felt at times, and with some of these bigger programs.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't have a clear defined vision of where

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Speaker 1: you're going because you always have that talent to fall

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Speaker 1: back on. But the problem is the talent, the gap

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Speaker 1: as we call it, and talent sometimes it's not as

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Speaker 1: pronounced as you think it is. If you've got Alabama

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Speaker 1: and Ohio State talent, it is there's a sizeable gap

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Speaker 1: between you and even Tier two of college football or

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Speaker 1: college football rosters. That doesn't mean those teams can't beat

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Speaker 1: you occasionally, but it's rare. You have to really be off.

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Speaker 1: But if you're in tier two or tier three, in

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Speaker 1: other words, what I'm trying to say, because it really

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Speaker 1: gets just convoluted when you put it this way, the

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Speaker 1: gap between the first best roster in college football and

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Speaker 1: the fifth best roster is probably equal to the gap

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Speaker 1: between number five and number twenty. So you see what

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Speaker 1: I start to say. There there are a few that

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Speaker 1: really separate at the top, but once you get past

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Speaker 1: that first group, it's a lot closer together. And so

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Speaker 1: if you're in that second or third tier, you can't

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Speaker 1: afford to just be surviving off talent alone. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, the best teams don't even survive off talent alone,

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Speaker 1: even though they probably could. The very thing that got

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Speaker 1: them to that stature is why they don't have to

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Speaker 1: rely on talent alone. But anyway, so I sound like

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Speaker 1: I'm confusing right now. All I'm saying is these teams

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Speaker 1: that know they can recruit those kinds of star players,

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Speaker 1: the ones that have the brand name, They have the cachet,

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Speaker 1: they have the recruiting budget, they have the cool facilities,

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Speaker 1: They have enough to get talent in the door. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they have to get nailed to the wall

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Speaker 1: and they have to grind out every single first down

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Speaker 1: and they have to have that us against the world,

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Speaker 1: crawl over broken glass, squeeze every ounce of potential out

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Speaker 1: of every facet of the program type mentality that you

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Speaker 1: have at Iowa State or at Northwestern. I call it

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Speaker 1: wasted motion. The reason I love to watch college softball

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Speaker 1: over college baseball even is because in the sport of softball,

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Speaker 1: there's zero wasted motion. You cannot waste any motion. Everything

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Speaker 1: is so technically sound because if you're not, the game

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Speaker 1: is so short the game is so small, the infield,

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Speaker 1: the dimensions, there's so much smaller that you can't even

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Speaker 1: throw runners out. And that's why I love watching softball

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Speaker 1: well in recruiting and in the developmental world. In college football,

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Speaker 1: it's the difference between softball and baseball. Baseball is a

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Speaker 1: great sport. I played baseball my whole life. But what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is, you can afford to have a little

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Speaker 1: more wasted motion, you can afford to inject a little

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Speaker 1: more personality into the way that you approach the game

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Speaker 1: in baseball, because you playing on a four hundred foot

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Speaker 1: to dead center field and you're playing on base paths

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Speaker 1: that are sixty or ninety feet rather and in softball

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Speaker 1: it's just a little bit different. The game is so truncated,

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Speaker 1: it's so much smaller. Well, that's the mentality that a

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Speaker 1: lot of these what you would call smaller programs in

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Speaker 1: college football operate under. Iowa State knows before the cycle

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Speaker 1: ever starts, we're not landing five star players, We're probably

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Speaker 1: not landing a whole lot of four star players, and

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Speaker 1: yet we're still going to expect ourselves to contend against

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Speaker 1: the Oklahomas of the world and against whoever else gets

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Speaker 1: thrown in front of US Oregon in a bowl game,

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Speaker 1: We're still going to expect to compete with them and

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Speaker 1: beat them. How are we going to do it? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like the Oakland A's and baseball. Since

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Speaker 1: we're not going to have the salary, we got to

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Speaker 1: go about it a different way. Well, they called their

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Speaker 1: approach moneyball. There are moneyball approaches in college football. They

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Speaker 1: don't all have to do with bringing David Justice in

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Speaker 1: for specific reasons to play the very specified role that

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Speaker 1: he needs to play in order for you to contend.

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Speaker 1: But it's the same way if you were to sit

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Speaker 1: in meeting rooms at Northwestern versus meeting rooms at the

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Speaker 1: University of Georgia. Those sound like different sports are being played.

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Speaker 1: It's the same sport, it's the same game rather, but

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Speaker 1: it sounds like a different sport. And I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of it is tied into knowing what you're capable

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Speaker 1: of when you got that big G on the side

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Speaker 1: of your helmet or that longhorn the side of your helmet,

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Speaker 1: and what you are not capable of if you've got

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Speaker 1: that Iowa state logo or that Northwestern logo. But that's

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Speaker 1: not the end of the world. That just means you

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Speaker 1: have to go about it different. And what I think,

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Speaker 1: to go back to Ryan's question, what I think happens

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Speaker 1: sometimes is staleness sets in if you've got an underachieving staff.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Georgia necessarily has an underachieving staff. I

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Speaker 1: don't believe that. Some people do. I don't. But if

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Speaker 1: you do believe that, I believe it at Texas. I

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Speaker 1: believe they've had that at Texas. That's why I used

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Speaker 1: the Longhorns as an example. If you've got staleness that

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Speaker 1: sets in is because you kept defaulting to talent. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll just let our talent bail us out. Well we

540
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Speaker 1: know we can go recruit talent. Yeah, but what did

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Speaker 1: you do with it? Nothing? You underachieved with it. Whereas,

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Speaker 1: since they knew beforehand they weren't going to have all

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Speaker 1: the talent, they had to be more inventive and creative

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Speaker 1: and cutting edge with their approach, there was no wasted motion.

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Speaker 1: There is no wasted motion at places like Iowa State

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Speaker 1: in Northwestern That doesn't mean they're gonna win double digit

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Speaker 1: games every year. In fact, it means the opposite. Their

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Speaker 1: best in some years will be eight wins, but you

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Speaker 1: can virtually rest assured unless they just have crippling amounts

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Speaker 1: of injuries, they are maximizing their potential oras it some

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Speaker 1: of these other places. USC is another one like USC

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Speaker 1: was in the PACTOL Championship game last year. Do any

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Speaker 1: of us really feel like Clay Helton and us are

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Speaker 1: dripping every ounce of potential out of that roster? Of

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Speaker 1: course they're not. They're defaulting to talent. It's stale. They

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Speaker 1: are defaulting to talent. That doesn't mean they can't turn

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Speaker 1: it around, but they have defaulted to talent, and with

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Speaker 1: that we move on again. And you know what, I

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Speaker 1: hate this, but sometimes it happens. I don't have a

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Speaker 1: name for the next question, which of course is going

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Speaker 1: to make it sound like I planted it, but I didn't.

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Speaker 1: These are publicly viewable, so you can go check for yourself.

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Speaker 1: I think this is from the podcast review section itself.

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Speaker 1: Five star reviews always appreciated by the way. The question

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Speaker 1: was about the show itself. It was I would like

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Speaker 1: to know how you feel about a relationship between your

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Speaker 1: audience and specifically the parasocial relationship, and if you want

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Speaker 1: your audience to view you as a friend, even though

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Speaker 1: you don't know most of us. I love the question

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Speaker 1: and I will answer it right after this. So I

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Speaker 1: love this question. We're still too close to twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: for me to really tell the full story about what

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Speaker 1: all went down last year. There was a lot going

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Speaker 1: down behind the scenes in the media industry last year.

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot, and you can guess some of

576
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Speaker 1: it because just as split and divided as it seemed,

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Speaker 1: society was on matters like COVID and should we do this,

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Speaker 1: shouldn't we do that? And in the sports world it

579
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Speaker 1: was that way. Well it was that way in sports

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Speaker 1: media too. Think about where we were and think about

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Speaker 1: all that we shouldn't have been able to accomplish. Because

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Speaker 1: this circles back to the question that was just asked.

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Speaker 1: When I came to twenty four to seven, it was

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Speaker 1: January of twenty twenty, and then we started late kick

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Speaker 1: in March of twenty twenty, and then like literally later

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Speaker 1: that month, we all got sent home from CBS in

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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven, and then the nation went into

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Speaker 1: virtual lockdown. And also a couple of months later, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about not having a college football season. So what

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Speaker 1: we're trying to do on our end, just think about

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Speaker 1: it selfishly for a second. We're trying to build a

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Speaker 1: show from scratch. We had spring football taken away from us,

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Speaker 1: which was going to be kind of our springboard. We're

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Speaker 1: going to introduce our product to the audience, and instead

595
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Speaker 1: there's really nothing to talk about. There's no new football

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Speaker 1: to talk about. And then everyone's worried about your own life,

597
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Speaker 1: which you should have been. I mean, that's not selfish

598
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Speaker 1: on your part at all. There were just more pressing

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Speaker 1: matters to attend too, th in college football, which may

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Speaker 1: or may not even be happening later that year. And

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Speaker 1: in the middle of all that, we start seeing our

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Speaker 1: numbers grow really really fast. And at the time it

603
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Speaker 1: didn't make sense to some people. And I got to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you. Initially, Colin and I would look

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Speaker 1: at those numbers and we would say, how are we

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Speaker 1: seeing this kind of spike when there's nothing happening. I mean, sure,

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Speaker 1: a new show should grow every week to some extent.

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Speaker 1: It's like when you start working out, Yeah, your bench

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Speaker 1: mack should go up. It shouldn't go up three hundred

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Speaker 1: percent over the span of a few weeks. That's not

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Speaker 1: the way that Mass and strength gains work. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what our show was doing. I didn't realize what

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Speaker 1: was happening, but then I slowly started to catch on

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Speaker 1: and there were some things that were moving behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes that again, down the road, I'll be able to

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Speaker 1: tell you about. But it circles back to what was

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Speaker 1: just asked in this question. Again, the question was, I'd

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Speaker 1: like to know how you feel about the relationship between

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Speaker 1: you and your audience, specifically the parasocial relationship, and if

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Speaker 1: you want the audience to view you as a friend

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Speaker 1: even though you don't know most of us. That's all

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Speaker 1: the show is. It's college football. I use the word

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Speaker 1: backdrop earlier. Yeah, college football is the backdrop, but it's community.

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Speaker 1: It's community in the purest sense. It's not someone telling

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Speaker 1: you it's community, but then they talk at you instead

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Speaker 1: of with you. I've never formatted the show that way.

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Speaker 1: It's why I intentionally don't involve a co host. You

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Speaker 1: are the person I'm talking to. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be talking to someone else on a desk. It's you.

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Speaker 1: You're driving around into peak of Kansas right now, or

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Speaker 1: you're listening sitting in your bedroom to fall asleep and

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Speaker 1: by the way, thank you for going to bed with

633
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Speaker 1: me in Tucson, Arizona. If you take that sentence out

634
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Speaker 1: of context, it's really going to raise some my brows.

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Speaker 1: But my point is I've never really gone deep in

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Speaker 1: this because it's kind of boring. But that's why we

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Speaker 1: format the show from a psychological perspective the way we do.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to co host and I don't want

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Speaker 1: to talk to a monitor. I've never used a teleprompter

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00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: because I don't want to be reading to you. That's

641
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: dumb to me. It's dumb. When I grew up in Columbus,

642
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: where I am right now physically, I went an ate

643
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: at the same restaurant every Monday through Friday with the

644
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: same group of buddies, and we talked about the same

645
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: college football topics every Monday through Friday. And I said,

646
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: if I can ever, ever ever get someone to put

647
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: a microphone in front of my face, that's the format.

648
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: The only difference is to be instead of the buddies

649
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: being eye to eye to me, you know, two feet

650
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: away from me, they're going to be virtually next to me.

651
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: But it should feel no different. It should feel if

652
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: you right now are in your car in Sarasota, Florida.

653
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: We're just talking to each other. Half the time. You

654
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: probably talked back anyway to an imaginary person when I

655
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: say something you disagree with. That's fine, that's conversation. It's

656
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 1: free flowing. It's the way we've always done Late Kick. Well,

657
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: here's what was happening last year. What was happening is

658
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people, when it got time to talk

659
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: about whether college football should be canceled or how protocols

660
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: should be put in place for COVID. Basically, a lot

661
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: of people got way outside their lane and outside of

662
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: their area of expertise when that was happening. We didn't

663
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: do it. I never talked about it. I mentioned what

664
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Speaker 1: was obviously glaring, and we talked about from an operational standpoint,

665
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: what was happening. The Big Ten announced this today. The

666
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: Big Ten announced that today. But what I told our folks,

667
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: anyone associated with my show from the very beginning, is

668
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 1: we are not about to lecture anyone on this. We

669
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Speaker 1: are not about to do these long form, free flowing

670
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: commentaries on the greater good of society and how college

671
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: football is or isn't serving it with its own selfish interest.

672
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: We weren't doing any of that. There were forty seven

673
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: different places that you could go if you wanted that.

674
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: But the reason our numbers were spiking so much and

675
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: they still are, is because I realized you were escaping it.

676
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 1: You weren't running to it, you were escaping it. And

677
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: it turns out that we were kind of like a

678
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: little island, or if you want to use the desert

679
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: as you were seen. We were a little oasis out

680
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: in the desert. It was one of the only places,

681
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: as it turns out, that you could go just to

682
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: get pure, unfiltered college football talk, independent of all the

683
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 1: other garbage that was mixed in from people who were

684
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: basically auditioning to go work in cable news. Well, that's

685
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: not what you tune into college football for. It's not

686
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: why you read about the sport. This stuff is always

687
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: meant to be an escape, and so that's the way

688
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: we treated the show, and that's why we were able

689
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: to grow it last year. But it's you that was

690
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: doing it, because if that would have failed, then we

691
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: would have had to rethink the entire approach. But twenty

692
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: four seven got us out in front of you enough

693
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: to where you sampled it and you said, Wow, this

694
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: is free of all the ingredients I hate, and it's

695
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: got enough in it that I like, Well, I'm going

696
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: to not only tune into this. But then the word

697
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: of mouth phenomenon started. And so then, even though we

698
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: don't have a marketing budget, as I've talked about famously

699
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: to this point many times, we just started to see

700
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: our numbers grow and they kept growing and kept growing.

701
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: It's never stopped. That's why I thank you emphatically every week,

702
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: because it's never stopped. That's the community. That's the community aspect.

703
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: It's not manufactured. It's real. The way you know it's

704
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: real is because you don't have to pay people to

705
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: do it. You don't have to shame people into doing anything.

706
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: You guys listen to the show or watch the show.

707
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: You like it. You tell three buddies at work, you

708
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: tell your family members at family reunion, and you tell

709
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: your cousin on Sunday at church and they come and

710
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: listen and then rinse and repeat. And that's how the

711
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: show has grown. I mentioned our numbers have grown twenty

712
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: five percent over the past two months alone. Well that

713
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: number was updated as of last week. Starting July, that

714
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: number's gone even higher, and so we are rolling, and

715
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: it we're rolling because that's how community works. So yes,

716
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: from a parasocial aspect, that's absolutely how I wanted to feel.

717
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do the show if it were formatted any

718
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: other way. I wouldn't do the show if they didn't

719
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: let me format it myself to begin with. But even

720
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: if I didn't format it and we had another executive producer,

721
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be part of one that's anything

722
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: other than what we're doing right now. Because what we're

723
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: doing right now is pretty unique. Really, if you stop

724
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: to think about it, in the grand landscape of sports

725
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: media today, it's pretty unique. But when I came home

726
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: last week, for example, I was at a July fourth

727
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: thing and one of my friends who hasn't seen me

728
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: in a little while, they were saying, Hey, I love

729
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: the show. I just think it's crazy that you can

730
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: sit there and talk by yourself for that amount of time. Well,

731
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: that would be crazy if I was talking by myself.

732
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: The whole concept is I'm not you know, it's no

733
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: different than the barbecue joint at lunch on a random

734
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: Wednesday afternoon. I reread it the same way. It's very conversational.

735
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: It's why you can tell I'm not reading anything, It's

736
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: just conversation. The skill here, and I'll wrap it up

737
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: after this because I know this bores a lot of you.

738
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: Making it in sports media is really it's very easy

739
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: and extremely hard. On one hand, it's easy because talking

740
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: about sports is easy. You and I watch it all ready.

741
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: We watch college football already, so talking about it in

742
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: and of itself is not hard. Can you get the

743
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: most stubborn group of people on planet Earth to shut

744
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: up long enough to listen to you? Because they value

745
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: what's coming out of your mouth? Now, think about what

746
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: I just said. You and I both watch sports, we

747
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: have probably for most of our lives. You know how

748
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: stubborn you are, because I know how stubborn I am.

749
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: We all have it in us. This is an area

750
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: we all think we're experts on and the reality is,

751
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: what is a sports expert? I don't even know, but

752
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: everybody thinks they're an expert on this stuff. You have

753
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: to be so good that when you talk people who

754
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: think they're an expert close their mouth and they listen

755
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: to you because they value your word, maybe even more

756
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: than their own. And the second thing you have to

757
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: do is you have to have a relationship with people

758
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: you may never meet face to face. And that is

759
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: what we've achieved with Late Kick. That's the big skill here,

760
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'm the proudest of. When you guys DM me,

761
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: most of you, ninety nine percent of you, I may

762
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: never meet face to face in my life. If I

763
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: were to screen capture DM or email conversations I have

764
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: with you, guys, it's like we grew up together. If

765
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: you could see the way the back and forth is,

766
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: or just listen to the podcast, if you listen to

767
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: the casual way the back and forth flows, it's like

768
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: we grew up with each other. That's the way it's

769
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: supposed to sound. If you're any good at what you do,

770
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: that's the way this should sound. So I appreciate the

771
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: question because I don't really have a natural way to

772
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: talk about that. But I have no problem discussing that

773
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: or answering questions like that if they are presented organically.

774
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm not just going to say, hey, I want to

775
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: talk about this for fifteen minutes today. All right, Next

776
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: up is column, he said a couple of months ago

777
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: the Cover three podcast. Try to define what a blue

778
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: blood program was I was wondering what you would consider

779
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: to be a blue blood. Does a team that is

780
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: new to the scene, like Clemson count What about teams

781
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: that have had historic success but are a current multi

782
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: year slumper like Texas or USC a slumper? Hunh? Do

783
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: you think consistent recruiting success is a large factor. I'm

784
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: just curious what your thoughts were during a reloading season.

785
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: Whispers off season beautiful? Hey, there's the community off seat.

786
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: Excuse me? Off season has been a perfect example of

787
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: community because I can't tell you how many of you

788
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: I have scene include the X over the O in

789
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: the word off season this off season and it's been beautiful.

790
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: Now to someone who's new to the podcast, I may

791
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: sound like a serial killer in the way I just

792
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: talked over the last minute, but that's okay, because if

793
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: you've been around a while, you get it, and if

794
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: you new listener, if you hang around a while, you'll

795
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: get it. We don't believe in that concept around here.

796
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: There is no off season. There's the regular season and

797
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: then there's waiting, but there is never a reason to

798
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: say there's nothing happening, therefore it's off season. So we

799
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: do not allow the word to be said. If we

800
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: have to say it will whisper it. Well, Colin did

801
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: just that even though he was writing this question. I

802
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: think I did a segment on this a while back.

803
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact parameters. It's inexcusable that I'm

804
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: doing this right now because I could easily cut this out,

805
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to. I'm just gonna think like

806
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: we're on live radio. To me, a blue blood has

807
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: to be relevant across multiple generations and cannot have been

808
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: irrelevant for more than two consecutive generations before. Right now, Now,

809
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: how do we define a generation? Is it five years?

810
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: Is it fifteen years? I think we can say eight years,

811
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: happy medium, a little bit more towards a decade. So

812
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: let's say a generation is every eight years. Well, that

813
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: means Tennessee's bordering on irrelevance for two consecutive generations, which

814
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: would make them therefore not a blue blood anymore. You

815
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: can lose blue blood status. Now, what I also think

816
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: is you can't just have recently become elite, no matter

817
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: how elite you are, and automatically gain blue blood status.

818
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: So there has to be longevity. So I would not

819
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: call Clumson a blue blood, But at this point I

820
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: think it's fair to remove the blue blood tag from

821
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: Tennessee too. Some of you think it never should have

822
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: been there. I do, But nevertheless, if you don't agree

823
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: that it should have been there, I'm fine with removing

824
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: that name tag right now. So that's why the Bamas

825
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: of the world and the Ohio States of the world

826
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: they're there. They've had success. They're good now, but they've

827
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: also had it across multiple generations in the past, and

828
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: they haven't been bad for a prolonged period of time

829
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: right now. Florida State, for example, that's a blue blood

830
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: program to me. Now, we've gotten far enough in this

831
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: thing where Florida State's success relatively speaking as a program

832
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: is not new. Like once upon a time, if it

833
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: were two thousand and we were asking this question, the

834
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: older folks in the room would rightly say, well, you know,

835
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: Florida State, to you young kids, they may be a power,

836
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: but us older folks, we remember when Florida State was

837
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: a laughing stock and Bobby Bowden had to build them. Well, yeah,

838
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: but that was several decades ago now, so we've gotten

839
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: far enough in where they have the longevity. They've had

840
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: success across multiple generations. They've won a title as recently

841
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: as twenty thirteen. And while they may be down right now,

842
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: they haven't been down for two generations. They've got a

843
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: title within the last two generations. So I would call

844
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: Florida state a blue blood. And I think that may

845
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: surprise some people because maybe you're only thinking about the

846
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: here and now. But I define it a little bit different.

847
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: So Colin, I think there is a way to define

848
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: a blue blood, but it would be person by person.

849
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: There's not a Webster's Dictionary version of it. In other words,

850
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: speaking of the state of Florida, I might as well

851
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: throw Trent's question in here. He said, hypothetically, if all

852
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: the head coaches at Miami, FSU Florida, and UCF stay

853
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: the same, given the current state of their programs, who

854
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: do you think will be the best program to compete

855
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: for a title, if at all, in three to five years.

856
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: This one I wish I could have another twelve months

857
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: to digest results on before I had to answer, because

858
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: it's really hard. I mean, I'm looking at Florida, they

859
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: are by far the most established right now. I don't

860
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: know if the recruiting level is going to elevate to

861
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: the point where they can win a championship. So we're

862
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: talking about potentially winning a title in this question, not

863
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: just who could be winning the most. If you were

864
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: to ask me who's going to be in position to

865
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: have the best record in three years, I would probably

866
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: guess Florida. But if you're asking me who's going to

867
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: be in the best position to win title, I'd have

868
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: to be a little more risk reward. So I would

869
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: accept a little more risk in my answer for potentially

870
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: a higher reward. And so I may go Florida State,

871
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: which sounds just insane right now. And I was just

872
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: talking about the noel So I'll circle back to them

873
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: because Florida State, I think their maximum recruiting capacity could

874
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: surpass Florida. It's not at the moment, it's not. Florida's

875
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: not a bad recruiter. That's one of the biggest myths

876
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: in college football right now. They're not elite, but they're

877
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: very good Florida State. They are investing the energy and

878
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: resources to be an elite recruiting power. Now whether they

879
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: sustain that remains to be seen. We haven't even seen

880
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,959
Speaker 1: it for a full cycle yet, so I know we're

881
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: in the very early stages of that. Likewise, with Miami,

882
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: I've talked to you about this before. I think they

883
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: are in such a unique position to benefit from this

884
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: current and future time period in college football. I think

885
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: the transfer portal era disproportionately benefits Miami because a lot

886
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: of South Florida kids that enter the portal by default,

887
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: most of the time, when you're in the portal, you

888
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: may be looking to get back closer to home. Well,

889
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: closer to home for a South Florida kid is close

890
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: to Miami. So if you can go home and of

891
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: power five contending program has a spot on the roster

892
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: driving distance from wherever home is, well that's your ticket.

893
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: Tyreek Stevenson recently from Georgia, former five star corner goes

894
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: back to South Florida and there's Miami. I'll go play

895
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: at Miami. Why not? So I think they can benefit

896
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: from that several times, not just once. It's not going

897
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: to be isolated and number two nil is going to

898
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: really benefit Miami. We've already seen that headline as recently

899
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: as this week, and Manny Diaz they got a caapies

900
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: on that because if if that staff is legitimate, if

901
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: they're worth their salt, man, Miami would be the answer

902
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: to this question. So my question with them is the

903
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: coaching staff. It's not Miami in and of itself. That'd

904
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: be a great position to be in for any coaching staff.

905
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: So Florida would be my answer if we're talking about

906
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: just record, because that's the safest answer, that's the most

907
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: established commodity there right now. If we're going longevity and

908
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: we're going who could win a title? I think maybe

909
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: Florida State is viable. But I really want some more time.

910
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: I know that's not how this works, but I would

911
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: really like some more time to kind of marinate on that.

912
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: TJ next up, he said, my name is TJ. There

913
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: you go. I'm a recent grad of A and M

914
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: Texas A and M to be exact. And my question

915
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: is how long would it take for the SEC East

916
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: to become the better of the two divisions in the

917
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: Southeastern Conference with teams that do not put as much

918
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: effort into football, I e. Vandy and Kentucky, will it

919
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: ever be possible? Well, I think Kentucky's putting as much

920
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: effort as they ever have put into football right now.

921
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I would look at Mississippi State

922
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: in Kentucky and I would say advantage Mississippi State. I

923
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: think they're doing just as much a Kentucky as they're

924
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: doing at Mississippi State. I think that may be a

925
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: newer commodity or concept. Rather, it may be a newer

926
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: concept at Kentucky, whereas Mississippi State has been all in

927
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: on football for a long time. But I would say

928
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: it all comes down to Tennessee. You cannot surpass the

929
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: West without Tennessee, and so however far away you feel

930
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: Tennessee is from contending, that's how far away the East

931
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: is from potentially surpassing the West. Now, the other thing

932
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: that could enter the equation is if Nick Saban up

933
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: and retire today. That would start the clock ticking on

934
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: wondering is Alabama going to maintain their death grip atop

935
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: the division? Probably unlikely, at least to the degree they

936
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: have under Saban. So then you would wonder is the

937
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: West going to be buoyed by Alabama at the very

938
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: top or is the West going to turn into a

939
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: lot of really good but no great cause that makes

940
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: them vulnerable. So I would say, sure, is Nick Saban retiring,

941
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: and I have not gotten a press release that indicates

942
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: that's coming anytime soon. Then I would say it's up

943
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: to Tennessee, Florida. Yeah, to some extent, but Florida's a

944
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: good program right now. George is a really good program.

945
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: It's up to Tennessee South Care to a lesser extent.

946
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: But you need those big three, those traditional historic big three,

947
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: to carry their weight or else. You know, it really

948
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what Kentucky's doing or Missouri is doing, all

949
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: due respect, because historically we just don't look at those

950
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: programs and think they're capable of rattling off a five

951
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: year period of dominance. That's not realistic. I guess it

952
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: could happen, but it's not realistic. Let's hit Wyatt's here

953
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: and then we'll wrap it up. Wyatt said. My dad

954
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: and I were talking last night about how NIL will

955
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: affect the transfer portal, operating under the assumption that starters

956
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: receive more lucrative brand deals. So it follows that a

957
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: highly rated player may not wait multiple years for their

958
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: turn to play due to the money they lose while waiting. Instead,

959
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: they'll opt to transfer to a school that allows them

960
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: to play ADSAP. Why I think this already happens. I

961
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think the transfer rate is going to skyrocket.

962
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: You may see a blip on the radar screen like

963
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: it may increase to a four or five or six

964
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: percent clip. That could happen, but that could have happened

965
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: without nil. Who knows how things were going to go

966
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: even without nil. But what I think is this, you

967
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: stand to make the most money where the spotlight is

968
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: the brightest. I think we all understand that. So if

969
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: you're playing, let's say at USC, the spotlight is brighter

970
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: there than Fresno State. Now a lot of kids who

971
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: play at USC any given year could probably go from

972
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: second string at Southern cal to starting at Fresno State.

973
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: That just is the lay of the land. That's the

974
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: way of the world. Well, doesn't make financial sense because

975
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about a four year decision versus a forty

976
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: year decision. If you have aspirations beyond this level. In

977
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: other words, common sense tells you, regardless of competition and

978
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: how stacked the roster is, you stand the best chance

979
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: of premier development at a premier program. And that means

980
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: if you're buried on the depth chart as a freshman

981
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: at clemsonder Alabama. It's not the end of the world.

982
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: First off. Secondly, if you have long term vision, you

983
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: understand if I'm good enough, if I trust my talents

984
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: and my abilities, my opportunity will come here. Maybe not

985
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: immediately as a true freshman, but my opportunity will come.

986
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: The spotlight's always going to be there because this is

987
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: Clemson or Alabama. And see, there's the added benefit of

988
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: getting premier, world class, top end development to get me

989
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: ready for the NFL. Because getting a lucrative NIL deal

990
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: in college is not preparing you for the pros. It's

991
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: making you some money, but it's not preparing you for

992
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: the pros. And let me follow it up with this,

993
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: I think there's going to be some big numbers that

994
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: come out Initially. I think they're going to be some

995
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: players that disproportionately cash in relative to what their value

996
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: should be because of the novelty aspect of NIL. Once

997
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: this thing settles down a little bit, or once we

998
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: settle into it, I don't think you're going to see

999
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: several players signing multimillion dollar deals, which means no one

1000
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: is setting themselves up for life through NIL. I don't

1001
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: think that's happening. You can set yourself up for life

1002
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: through the NFL, So it is very shortsighted to be

1003
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: making your college destination decisions based on NIL. I think

1004
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: a lot of guys are going to do it, but

1005
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: poor decision making happens even without NIL, So I think

1006
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: NIL is going to expose some poor decision making. It's

1007
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: going to lead to some bad people putting bad information

1008
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: in kids ears who are very vulnerable to that. It's

1009
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: just a tough lesson we're going to have to learn.

1010
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you should be anti NIL, but there

1011
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: are going to be some tough lessons that are learned.

1012
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: You know, when they raise the speed limit on any

1013
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: given road in America, you're going to pay for that

1014
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: with one or two more traffic accidents or potential fatalities

1015
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: in a given year. We accept the trade off. Now,

1016
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: that's an extreme example, but an il in the world

1017
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: of college football. Some guys make. They're gonna probably make

1018
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: some career altering decisions for the worst. That's just part

1019
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: of it. That's the learning process. And the good news

1020
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: is guys younger than them in high school are watching

1021
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: and hopefully they learn from it where they don't have

1022
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: to learn that lesson the hard way. They learn it

1023
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: through observation. I, for instance, have never touched a hot

1024
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: stovetop in my life, never done it. Why do I

1025
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: know not to do it? Well? Because I watched my

1026
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: sister do it when I was younger, and it looked

1027
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: like it was very painful, and I didn't need to

1028
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: learn anymore. I've never done meth because I know a

1029
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: kid in high school initials de who did it for

1030
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: a large portion of his life, and I see the

1031
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: condition he's in right now. Well, I've never had to

1032
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: do meth to realize I don't need to do meth.

1033
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: So don't touch the hot stovetop, don't do meth, and

1034
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: do not use short sighted decision making in nil. If

1035
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: you only take those three things from me today, we

1036
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,120
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1037
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Speaker 1: Got one favor to ask of you, one favor and

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1041
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,680
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1042
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00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,160
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1046
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1048
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1049
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1050
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,360
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Speaker 1: And with that in mind, I got to sign off

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Speaker 1: for producer Lance who's handling duties today. I'm Josh Bad.

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Speaker 1: Have yourself as a great rest of your Wednesday and

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Speaker 1: God bless