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Speaker 2: the story of Rush Limbaugh broadcasting from his studio in

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Speaker 2: I don't know, some fucking place with one liver tight

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Speaker 2: the narcotics in his system. Robert Evans presenting, you don't

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Speaker 2: Uh, this is Behind the Bastards, a podcast that will

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Speaker 2: never be as big as The Rush Limbaugh Show because

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Speaker 2: heard is Paul F. Tompkins, our guest for this exploration

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Speaker 2: of the life and times of Rush Limbaugh. Hi, everyone,

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Speaker 2: Hey Paul, how are you feeling? How are you? How

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun. It hasn't worn off.

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Speaker 2: Yet, it has it never will. It will always be

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Speaker 2: good for him. So, once upon a time, Paul, the

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Speaker 2: United States used to have a thing called the Fairness Doctrine. Now,

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Speaker 2: in short, the fairness doctrine required anyone with a broadcast

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Speaker 2: roughly equivalent time to present both sides of an issue. Now,

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Speaker 2: There may be different sides, but like what the right

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Speaker 4: So there continues to be more controversy surrounding my performance

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Speaker 2: the show, he goes on to introduce the other topics

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Speaker 2: of that episode, which include femin Nazi, glorious steinem in

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Speaker 2: review of the movie The Hand that Rocks the Cradle.

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Speaker 2: Then we cut into Yeah. Then we cut to the

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Speaker 2: actual intro, which is terrible nineteen nineties talk show music

435
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Speaker 2: played over a series of mocked up news articles with

436
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Speaker 2: titles like EIB linked to higher IQ. Limba gets patent,

437
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Speaker 2: Limbaugh says no to presidential bid. Limbaugh checks brain on

438
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Speaker 2: donor's card. Limbaugh to carry a torch at the Mental Olympics. Again,

439
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: he puts a lot of effort into I mean, it's absurd, right,

440
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Speaker 2: but yeah, it clearly works. It worked on my parents,

441
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Speaker 2: you know, all of the people who raised me to

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Speaker 2: some extent, they're all convinced.

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Speaker 3: He's fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fun.

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Speaker 3: But but he also says things that I like to hear.

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Speaker 3: But he's fun. He's just fun.

447
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Speaker 2: He's fun.

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Speaker 3: I think also, you cannot underestimate the the effect of

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Speaker 3: the pointer. If you have, If you have, if you're

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Speaker 3: on television and you have you're you're walking out over

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Speaker 3: television with a pointer and you're pointing at something, it

452
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Speaker 3: looks very official.

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Speaker 2: Totally absolutely, That's why I have a point. Well I

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Speaker 2: have a gun, but it works the same way.

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Speaker 3: So Robert, what are all your weapons in front of you?

456
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm always I'm always surrounded by weapons.

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Speaker 3: What's going to happen during this discussion?

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Speaker 1: You know, have anything on you? Right now? I'm right here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not.

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Speaker 3: Fucking h here's my knife.

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Speaker 2: There a nice little hunchback there that makes it good

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Speaker 2: for kind of close end work. Yeah, all right, now

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Speaker 2: we're all armed. We can properly get back to the show.

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize this was a this was a knife

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Speaker 3: on the table show. I apologiz.

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Speaker 2: This is this is I mean, there are like three

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Speaker 2: knives on the table, right, this is a significant number

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Speaker 2: of beau on the table.

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Speaker 3: All right, I apologize.

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Speaker 2: So the show proper starts after this point, after these

471
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Speaker 2: fake news articles kind of go through and Russia's first

472
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Speaker 2: subject on this episode is the then new TV series

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Speaker 2: Murphy Brown. Murphy Brown was obviously the titular character of

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Speaker 2: the show. She was a recovering alcoholic investigative journalist and

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Speaker 2: a primetime news anchor into single Murphy Brown was a

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Speaker 2: very feminist in progressive series for its day. Limba opens

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Speaker 2: his episode by expressing anger at the show's success, and then,

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Speaker 2: in what I would consider a fairly abusive manner, he

479
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Speaker 2: tells his audience why they shouldn't watch it.

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Speaker 1: Clip.

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Speaker 4: Oh, people on my radio show, didn't You probably watched

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Speaker 4: it too, but you didn't have to. You know why

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Speaker 4: you didn't have to because I told you you didn't

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Speaker 4: have to. I had the script. I told you everything

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Speaker 4: that was going to happen on this show. I told

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Speaker 4: you it wasn't funny. I told you it was defensive.

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Speaker 4: I told you this show was a little heavy handed.

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Speaker 4: I said that they're focusing on the wrong thing in

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Speaker 4: this show, and they really did. You've heard a lot

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Speaker 4: of people say a lot of things about this show,

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Speaker 4: but I'll tell you the most important thing is that

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Speaker 4: they got very defensive about what a family is. They

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Speaker 4: trot out all these various examples of what a family is,

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Speaker 4: and that's not what the Vice president or any of

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Speaker 4: the family values people.

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Speaker 2: That's profoundly I think this is this You shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: watched this show because I told you not to, and

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Speaker 2: I told you not to because it's not good for

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Speaker 2: you to imbibe this. And I think it's important to

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Speaker 2: break down exactly what he's doing here. First off, he

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Speaker 2: is trying to physically separate his audience from mainstream American society.

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Speaker 2: Murphy Brown was a hugely popular show in this day.

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Speaker 2: He is literally telling them, you don't need to watch

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Speaker 2: this thing other people are watching because I am telling

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Speaker 2: you not to, and he justifies this by saying that

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Speaker 2: Murphy Brown is an assault on family values, which he

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Speaker 2: goes on to call functional values, because family is like

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Speaker 2: the ones portrayed on Murphy Brown were, in Limbaugh's eyes,

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Speaker 2: non functional. This is significant because Murphy Brown was a

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Speaker 2: single mother. She was one of the first single mother's

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Speaker 2: portrayed on American TV as not just existing but as

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Speaker 2: being a successful person and a competent parent. Was furious,

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Speaker 2: I can't let we can't let people watch this because

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Speaker 2: it will give them the wrong idea, and not just

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Speaker 2: about single mothers.

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Speaker 3: I also think it's worth noting that on the show itself,

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Speaker 3: the idea of her being a single mother was a

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Speaker 3: plot point that was a story arc that they discussed

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Speaker 3: a lot on the show. It was a It was

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Speaker 3: not a blithe decision by the character. It was they

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Speaker 3: really talked about it because because it was a show

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Speaker 3: that did a lot of satire, talked about issues. The

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Speaker 3: discussion of whether or not she was going to have

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Speaker 3: the baby and what it meant to be a single

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Speaker 3: working mother was discussed at great length on the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why he wants, That's why it is

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Speaker 2: important to him to keep his audience away from it. Now,

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Speaker 2: that was not the only kind of groundbreaking thing about

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Speaker 2: Murphy Brown. The show was incredibly significant in its portrayal

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Speaker 2: of gay people in several episodes, most notably in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety two, when eineightteen ninety four, homosexuals were shown as

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Speaker 2: not just normal, functional members of society, but as existing

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Speaker 2: in significant numbers throughout American society. There's an episode where

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Speaker 2: like one of the characters buys a bar and it becomes,

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Speaker 2: through kind of like comedic hijinks or whatever, becomes a

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Speaker 2: gay bar, and he's like slowly realizes what it is.

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Speaker 2: But the point the episode was making is that gay

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Speaker 2: people are all around us. They're part of our community.

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Speaker 2: They are a significant, meaningful part of our society. This

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Speaker 2: was rare in mainstream television for the time, and it

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Speaker 2: made Rush Limbaugh furious. We have another clip here of that.

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Speaker 4: Just adults teaching kids doesn't matter what the composition is

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Speaker 4: of the family, and nobody has been critical that. When

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Speaker 4: Quail said that they glorified single mother is what he

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Speaker 4: was trying to point out, my friends was and I

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Speaker 4: think this show proved it last night. This is another

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Speaker 4: thing this show's got an agenda. And they say all

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Speaker 4: day long they don't have an agenda, but last night's.

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Speaker 3: Show proved it.

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Speaker 4: It's okay that they have an agenda. Just say so,

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Speaker 4: like this show, we are perfectly upfront and honest about

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Speaker 4: what I am and what I believe on this show,

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Speaker 4: and we'll let that float out in the marketplace and

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Speaker 4: let you accept it as it is.

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Speaker 3: There's no attempt here to fool you.

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Speaker 4: There's no attempt here to deny what I am.

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Speaker 2: But that's what they're all about. Now, this is also

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Speaker 2: really significant. So what Russia's doing here is he's framing

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Speaker 2: his objection to Murphy Brown as reasonable and not based

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Speaker 2: in hate. He's saying, I'm not against single mothers, or

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Speaker 2: I'm not against gay people or whatever. I am against

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Speaker 2: the fact that this show conceals its political agenda. And

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Speaker 2: I can see why people like most of my family

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Speaker 2: would have found this reasonable. But what's happening here is

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Speaker 2: very sinister because Murphy Brown was not trying to be

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Speaker 2: left wing. It was trying to make a point that

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Speaker 2: single parents and that gay people are regular human beings

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Speaker 2: who contribute to society. It was trying to point out

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Speaker 2: that single parents are valid and functional people. These should

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Speaker 2: not be political points, and recognizing the humanity of huge

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Speaker 2: chunks of the population should not count as an agenda,

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Speaker 2: but it was critical for Rush Limbaugh to turn it

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Speaker 2: into one, because if you can take the basic humanity

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Speaker 2: of marginalized people and make it a political talking point,

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Speaker 2: then you make it into something people can oppose on

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Speaker 2: principle and thus frame their bigotry as not hate but

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Speaker 2: simply a political stance that they have every right to.

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Speaker 2: Rush was not the first person to talk about the

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Speaker 2: gay agen or to oppose single motherhood, not even close.

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Speaker 2: But before him, the most prominent voices attacking these groups

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Speaker 2: of people were on the religious right, which had first

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Speaker 2: arisen as an organized political force in the late seventies.

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Speaker 2: They were obviously influential, but they were also obviously religious extremists,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of non religious conservatives and libertarian types

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Speaker 2: did not want to identify with fundamentalists. Rush, who had

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Speaker 2: a documented history of mocking religious conservatives, provided the more

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Speaker 2: libertarian right with a secular justification for bigotry against gay

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Speaker 2: people and single mothers and women in general, and that's

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Speaker 2: one of his great innovations.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Yeah, he pioneered this idea that if you are

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Speaker 3: saying this is okay, this thing is okay, what you

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Speaker 3: are doing is saying that's it, that's somehow that's an

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Speaker 3: attack on me and what I believexactly. So the idea

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Speaker 3: of dan Quayle saying it glorifies single mothers. No one

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Speaker 3: that that show. No one was ever saying we should

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Speaker 3: do this instead right, we should be doing we should

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Speaker 3: be doing this instead of what you think is right.

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Speaker 3: This is what we should be doing, rather than just

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Speaker 3: saying can't isn't this okay? Like these these people exist.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that all right?

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Speaker 2: These people exist, it's all right, and they shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: hated or punished or or ostracized. Being this for.

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Speaker 3: Me, he's not even talking about a slippery he's just

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Speaker 3: saying that if you are saying this is okay, that

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Speaker 3: means you are saying the way we live is not okay. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and that's just not there at all. It's just not

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Speaker 3: there at all.

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Speaker 2: But if he's if he's able to make it be

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Speaker 2: that way to his listeners, yeah, he can. Number one,

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Speaker 2: make sure they will always oppose these things that he

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Speaker 2: just finds gross. And number two, it further separates them

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Speaker 2: from mainstream society. This is the beginning of the splintering

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Speaker 2: of the mainstream American right from the United States, from

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Speaker 2: most of the people in this country. And it was

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Speaker 2: the beginning of making sure that there there was no

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Speaker 2: You cannot reconcile the right with the modern world, with

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Speaker 2: the rest of civilization, because you doing a different thing

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Speaker 2: than them is an attack on them, Like we're being

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Speaker 2: attacked because you're different, and so we get to fight you.

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Speaker 2: That's Russia's great innovation.

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Speaker 3: And also that the way you think is the real America.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, not what these people think exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's haunting. But you know what isn't haunting, Robert.

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Speaker 2: The products and services that support this podcast, hopefully, hopefully

625
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Speaker 2: unless it's Raytheon, which is very haunted products. But that's

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Speaker 2: a story for another day. And we're back. So Paul,

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Speaker 2: I would love to go with this through this entire

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Speaker 2: episode with you. In fact, I would love to do

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Speaker 2: a reoccurring series where we just go through, point by

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Speaker 2: point every episode of Rush Limbaugh's TV show and talk

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Speaker 2: about it. I think it would be amazing.

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Speaker 3: It is wild to see those clips. Yeah, yeah, what's

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Speaker 3: the what's the opposite of Pristian.

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Speaker 2: It would be very I think fun and also intellectually valuable.

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Speaker 2: We just we have so much ground to cover. This

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Speaker 2: has to be the end of that episode of the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we get to a rewatch of the We can't

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Speaker 3: do a rewatch podcast with the Rush Limbau Show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at least not not today. I think we've gotten

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Speaker 2: the point across and characterize what he's doing on the

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Speaker 2: show and why it was significant. Now, the Rush Limbaugh

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Speaker 2: TV Show was what you'd call a modest success. The

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Speaker 2: thirty minute syndicated series ran from nineteen ninety two to

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, which is not a long run, but

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Speaker 2: isn't a super short run either, you know, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was not a huge hit, but it was successful.

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Speaker 2: That said, its actual impact on history was much greater

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Speaker 2: than its four seasons might suggest. As I said earlier,

649
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Speaker 2: Roger Ayles was the executive producer of Limbaugh's TV debut.

650
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: Limbaugh and Ales had met in nineteen ninety and Rush

651
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: would later say that their meeting was quote like finding

652
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Speaker 2: a soulmate. And I'm going to quote here from a

653
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: write up that I found on Quartz. The persona Ales

654
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: helped Limbaugh create on that show, something between a commentator,

655
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 2: political stratus, news anchor, and entertainer is exactly the kind

656
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: of act you can see today on Fox News. It

657
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: is not hard to draw a straight line from Limbaugh's

658
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 2: TV show to talking heads like Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity.

659
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: Like today's Fox News personalities, Limbaugh fancied himself as a

660
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: man of the people who railed against elitist liberal politicians

661
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 2: and voters. But as he did that, he was flying

662
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: his private jet around the country to whine and dine

663
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: with powerful figures. The myth he created of himself with

664
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Speaker 2: the help of Ales is the same myth that we

665
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 2: see pushed again and again on Fox News by its

666
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: biggest names. In retrospect, Ales may have been using Limbaugh's

667
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: TV act as a test run for Fox News to

668
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: see if the brand of conservative opinion that was working

669
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: on the radio could be translated to and expanded on TV.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety six, the same year the Limbaugh Show ended,

671
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: Ayles co founded Fox News at the behest of the

672
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Speaker 2: media mogul Rupert Murdoch. Much of what ensued the liberal bashing,

673
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: fear mongering alternative reality in which Fox's Personalities Lived was

674
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: reminiscent of Ales's weird little Limbaugh talk shit experiment. So

675
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: this is really a test case for what becomes Fox News,

676
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, And the year Limbaugh Show ends nineteen ninety

677
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: six is the year Fox News launches.

678
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Speaker 3: What's strange to me is well, I guess because the

679
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Speaker 3: show was over. I guess the show, you know, the

680
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: viewership went down. I wonder why he didn't just stick

681
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Speaker 3: Limbaugh on Fox News in those in those.

682
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Speaker 2: Early days, he wanted to actually, okay, yeah, so like

683
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: Ales actually tried to get rushed to join the network

684
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: I think in two thousand and six, but Limbaugh kind

685
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: of preferred radio. I don't think he actually liked being

686
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: on TV very much, not to the extent that he enjoyed,

687
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: you know, doing his radio show. So I think that

688
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: was mainly the reason. But also by the time Fox

689
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: News really got going, Ales had a half dozen Rush

690
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: Limbaughs you know, right, yeah, which we'll talk about a

691
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: bit later. So throughout the mid and into the late

692
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties, the Rush Limbaughs show was a bona fide

693
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: cultural thing phenomenon. Rush created the first fully monetized right

694
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: wing cult of personality within like the American media. At

695
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Speaker 2: least as you heard in the clips we played, Rush

696
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: discouraged his listeners from thinking for themselves. He was the genius,

697
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: and if you just agreed with him and thought the

698
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: way he thought, then you were, by definition also smart.

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Speaker 2: As a result, from the very early point, he gave

700
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Speaker 2: his fans the nickname ditto heads. The New York Times

701
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: explains the etymology of this term as it evolved on

702
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Speaker 2: his show. Ditto a time saving greeting used by callers

703
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: to avoid tedious repetition of the obvious. For example, you're wonderful, Rush,

704
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: and I agree with everything you've said. Dittohead then means

705
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: a Limbaugh fan. So you're like, literally, he's saying, my

706
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: fans are people who say and believe all of the

707
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: exact same things that I do and profoundly accomplice.

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Speaker 3: They're absolutely going to praise me, and so in order

709
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: to save some time, let's just condense all the fawning

710
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 3: praise that you will, no doubt give me into one word,

711
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: so we know that what you're saying is, Rush, I

712
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 3: love you. You are everything to me, and I need you

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00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 3: to know that before we get into whatever fucking issue

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00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: were going to get into.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you are the only thing that matters to me,

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00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: or at least your beliefs are, because I am so

717
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: empty as a person as a result of how capitalism

718
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: has hallowed me out and hollowed my class out, that

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Speaker 2: I have nothing but the hatred of liberals that you embody.

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Speaker 3: Until that first guy came along that had to implement megadiddos.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and then there's megadiddos. And I can't even

722
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: get too much into some of the terms used on

723
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: the Rush Limba show because it makes me want to

724
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: punch things until my hands are broken, and I already

725
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 2: had that happen last year because of one of his fans. Anyway,

726
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: the core of the Rush Limbas show was not, as

727
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 2: he would always claim, advancing conservative ideology, but was instead

728
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: attacking liberals and the left, who he referred to as

729
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: kami libs or pink kami libs and I don't know again,

730
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Speaker 2: at this fucking gun class I was at last weekend,

731
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Speaker 2: the instructor was like, the far left wants to take

732
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Speaker 2: your guns away, and obviously I couldn't be like, actually,

733
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Speaker 2: the far left is pretty heavily strapped. It's liberal, but

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Speaker 2: like that's part of part that this idea that Joe

735
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Speaker 2: Biden is somehow a leftist, right, that he's a communist,

736
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Speaker 2: that you hear an Auch and you hear all over

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Speaker 2: the right. Now, that was Limba saying anyone who is

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Speaker 2: not a conservative is a far left, so it doesn't

739
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: matter that actually the Democratic Party is a profoundly conservative

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Speaker 2: political party and today's Democrats are basically the same as

741
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Speaker 2: Republicans were when I was growing up in the nineties.

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Speaker 3: There's also never any follow up on these these the

743
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Speaker 3: fearmongering claims whenever there's an election, like what happened to

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Speaker 3: the Obamas leeper cells, like he never are they still

745
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 3: in play? Is he still waiting to give them the word?

746
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 3: Like they never go back and say, oh, it turns

747
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Speaker 3: out that didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: It's this, I mean, that's kind of the thing about

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Speaker 2: Republican talking points. Like the other thing they kept panic

750
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: like like terrified during the Obama years, He's going to

751
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 2: take your guns. He's going to take your guns. He's

752
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 2: going to take your guns. Barack Obama did not one

753
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: single thing to restrict gun ownership in the United States,

754
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: whereas actually Trump actually did ban certain fire the bump

755
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: stock like, Trump put through more restrictions on gun rights

756
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: than not that I'm saying anything. Bump stocks are dumb,

757
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: but Trump objectively restricted gun ownership more than Obama. But

758
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: you never know it to listen to the right wing media.

759
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: It's it's preposterous.

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Speaker 3: You people would know. No, no one's going to take

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Speaker 3: your guns.

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Speaker 2: No one's going to take your guns. There's too many

763
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Speaker 2: of them. It's not that you know, we'll talk anyway.

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Speaker 3: It's separate. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it's yeah.

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Speaker 2: As I said earlier, the core of Rushlimbaugh's actual ideology

766
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: was owning the Libs. His conservatism was built entirely around

767
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: attacking the other, and over his years on air, Rush

768
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: built up an audience of millions and eventually tens of millions,

769
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Speaker 2: who began to see political victory as being not about

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Speaker 2: achievements that improve life, but about tearing down and harming

771
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: the enemy. This is why you get to a point

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Speaker 2: where now mainstream Republicans are selling mugs with like that

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00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: are like the tears of my enemies are in the Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to quote from the Rolling Stone here,

775
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: quote Any Republican candidate is better than any Democratic candidate

776
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: Limbaugh told his audience early on, which might sound kind

777
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: of innocuous on the surface, except that for Limbaugh, the

778
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: superiority of our side and the inferiority of them was

779
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 2: increasingly over the years a deadly serious matter. It became

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00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: tribal warfare, which you know, is kind of where we

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00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: are now. On January twenty third, nineteen ninety five, Time

782
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: magazine featured Rush Limbaugh on its cover. We see him

783
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: wearing a suit and smoking a cigar. Smoke curls up

784
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: out of his mouth behind the bold words is Rush

785
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: Limbaugh good for America? Now? It was obvious to anyone

786
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: who was paying attention that he was not. But for

787
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: the most part, the liberal media that Rush attacked and

788
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: demonized embraced him as kind of like the loyal opposition,

789
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: as an erudent foil to debate with, to argue against,

790
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: but nonetheless someone who deserved respect and honor due to

791
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: his success. Like you can see this in the episode

792
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 2: of Family Guy that Rush was on, right where it's

793
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 2: like he has these fun bickering arguments with the token

794
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 2: liberal on the show, but in the end they really

795
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: both like each other, you know, as opposed to what

796
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: Rush actually represented, which is the politics of violent elimination

797
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: of the opponent. And that's what's most amazing to me

798
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: is no matter what he said about the mainstream media,

799
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: about the liberal media, whatever, they fetted him, they praised him,

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00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: They made him like he was never treated as a pariah.

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00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: Barbara Walters said in an interview, people just can't get

802
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: enough of him. The Los Angeles Yeah, The Los Angeles

803
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: Times described him as a self styled commander in chief,

804
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: fighting his private culture war agains the many liberal do

805
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: gooder notions that interfere with his right to eat and

806
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 2: wear and spend whatever he damn well wants, and say

807
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: whatever he damn well pleases. C Span highlighted him in

808
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: a fawning interview that helped turn him into a household name.

809
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: Within a year of that interview, he was carried by

810
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Speaker 2: five hundred and thirty stations and listened to by an

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00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: estimated twenty five million Americans. He started writing books with

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00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: titles like The Way Things Ought to Be, each of

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Speaker 2: which dutifully went on to become a New York Times bestseller.

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00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: For a man who built his career attacking the liberal media,

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00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 2: Rush never received anything but encouragement and financial support from

816
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Speaker 2: his so called enemies. The fundamental hypocrisies that undergirded his

817
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: career were seldom called out. Rush Limbaugh had not even

818
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: registered to vote until he was thirty five years old,

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Speaker 2: two years before his show became a nation nationwide success.

820
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 2: The repeated double standards in his work and his life

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Speaker 2: never hurt his poll with his audience. For example, rush

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Speaker 2: Limbaugh repeatedly attacked Bill Clinton as a draft dodger, which

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Speaker 2: he was, but so was rush Limbaugh took the route

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00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: that most well the young Americans during Vietnam took and

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00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 2: found a doctor who would diagnose him with a bullshit

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Speaker 2: injuries that he couldn't be called up for service. When

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00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: he was eventually called on this by some journalists who

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Speaker 2: were doing their jobs, he responded, I had student deferments

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Speaker 2: in college, and upon taking a physical was discovered to

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Speaker 2: have a physical by the virtue of what the military says,

831
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Speaker 2: I didn't even know it existed, a physical deferment. And

832
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: then the lottery system came along when they chose your

833
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: a lot by birth date, and mine was high, and

834
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Speaker 2: I did not want to go, just as Governor Clinton didn't,

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Speaker 2: which on its own is a reasonable statement, except you

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Speaker 2: spent years attacking Clinton for being a draft dodge. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: huge draft.

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Speaker 1: Do funny and hypocritical.

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Speaker 3: To me, my favorite draft dodge explanation of all time

840
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Speaker 3: is still Dick Cheney. I had other priorities.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, that's just that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: And it's true. Both Cheney and George W. Bush did,

843
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: like Rush, like Clinton, everything they could to not actually

844
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Speaker 2: go and fight in Vietnam. One of the things that

845
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: will always be the most curiating thing, one of the

846
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: most inferiating things to happen in American politics to me,

847
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: is the way in which John Kerry, who is a

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Speaker 2: whatever else you can say about him, fought courageously went

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Speaker 2: to wint despite the considerable privilege he was born into,

850
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: did an incredibly dangerous job, was wounded multiple times, and

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00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 2: risked his life repeatedly for the lives of his men. Right,

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00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: Vietnam was a terrible war we never should have been in.

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00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: It was fundamentally a moral on a national scale, but

854
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: on a human level. John Kerrey did the right thing,

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00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: which is not use his privilege to get out of

856
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: fighting in a war that other people of his class

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00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 2: got us into. And he was portrayed during that campaign

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00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: as like a liar and a craven coward. Well, George Bush,

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00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: who did everything he could to not fight in Vietnam,

860
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: was seen as this brave warrior hero. It's it's still

861
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: very frustrating. I don't even like John Kerry, but my god,

862
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: the man did the thing all of you say is

863
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: what you're say supposed to do as a man. Yes,

864
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: it's infuriating. It's infuriating. The Dittoheads continued to listen to

865
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: their idol slam Clinton for being a draft dodger, even

866
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: while they celebrated a man who, by his own admission,

867
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: had done the exact same thing. Rush would eventually rack

868
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: up three to four and I should have stayed here.

869
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 2: It's not bad to be a draft dodger. The Vietnam

870
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: War was again, horribly a moral. It's perfectly. It's what

871
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: is immoral is dodging the draft and then going on

872
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: to encourage to do nothing but encourage more wars that

873
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: involve American servicemen. Right, that's immoral. It is not a

874
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: moral to dodge the draft and say, hey, this was

875
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: a bad war. We shouldn't get involved in stupid, pointless

876
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: wars that just kill people. For the profits of a

877
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: tiny number Like that's bad. I'm not going to do it,

878
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to support it. That's fine.

879
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's doubly a moral when you're well past the

880
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 3: age where it would affect you where it's you're now,

881
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: there's another there's a later generation of people that will

882
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: be affected by this very uh, you know, a hypocritical

883
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: line of attack.

884
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the moral inconsistency that's infuriating. John Kerry actually,

885
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: and John Kerry did not support the Vietnam War and

886
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: became after he got out a very very outspoken voice

887
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: against it. But it's the if if Limbaugh had served

888
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: in Vietnam and then gone on to be a warhawk,

889
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: then at least he would be ideologically consistent. You know,

890
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: at least I could say Rush Limbaugh believes in something.

891
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: It's like John McCain. At least he fucking believed in something.

892
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: You know, it was terrible and fundamentally toxic as well,

893
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: but it was not He's not like Limbaugh. You know,

894
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: he is a person who has beliefs. I don't know that.

895
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: It's not like that line from the Big Lebowski, right, like,

896
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: say what you will about the tenets of national socialism. Dude,

897
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: at least it's an ethos, you know. So, Rush Limbaugh

898
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: was not a man who I think believed in mush much.

899
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: Other than the fame and wealth of rush Limbaugh. He

900
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: would eventually rack up three divorces and four why he

901
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: never had any children. Despite this, tens of millions of

902
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: conservatives listened to him opining on family values and traditional

903
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: morality on a daily basis. Rush called it functional values,

904
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: and one key aspect of his functional value system was

905
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: rejecting illegal drugs. At one point on his TV show

906
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 2: at the height of the drug war, Rush told his audience,

907
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they

908
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: ought to be accused, and they ought to be convicted,

909
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: and they ought to be sent up the river. He

910
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: repeatedly called addicts junkies up the river. Yeah, you go

911
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: to prison if you do illegal drugs. Scene. He repeatedly

912
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: called addicts junkies and suggested that drug dealers deserved death

913
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: for their crimes. While he enthusiastically supported the drug war

914
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: and the use of the Carcerral state to lock up

915
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: mostly black men for selling drugs, rush Limbaugh was actively

916
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: trafficking huge amounts of opiate painkillers. Rush used his housekeeper

917
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: as a hookup, handing her cigar boxes filled with cash

918
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 2: in exchange for thousands of pills of OxyContin, hydrocodone, and

919
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: the like. In two thousand and three, she went public

920
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: and knocked on him to the police. When the story broke,

921
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: he was charged for his crimes, and Florida Sheriff's deputies

922
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: opened an investigation into a drug trafficking ring. We don't

923
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: know exactly what rushes, if he was just a customer

924
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: or if he had some other role in it, but

925
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: he was buying huge amounts of painkillers. I'm talking about

926
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: a guy who was spending probably hundreds of thousands of

927
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: dollars on his addiction.

928
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 3: And did it come from Did he have some injury

929
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 3: that got him hooked on it.

930
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: Or yeah, he got it prescribed to him initially for

931
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: an injury and he got addicted like most people do. Hey,

932
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: this is this is not just with prescription painculls. Most

933
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: people who have a problematic addiction to a drug get

934
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: addicted because of something negative that happens in their life. Right, yes,

935
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: trauma or an injury or an emotional depression whatever. That's

936
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 2: most people who have a problematic addiction. Limbaugh said, anyone

937
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: who does that should go to prison. Then he did that,

938
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: you know, but he gets caught and he oh, yeah,

939
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: he gets pught. And when he gets caught, it is

940
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: a big story. In two thousand and three, his housekeeper

941
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: went public, wore a wire recorded him doing a drug

942
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: dealer deal, knocked on him to the police, and when

943
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: the story broke, he was charged for his crimes and

944
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: Florida Sheriff's deputies opened an investigation into that drug traffic

945
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: trafficking ring. His third wife left him. He checked himself

946
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 2: into rehab while his multimillion dollar a team of lawyers

947
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: went to work defending him in court. A legal battle

948
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: would go on for three years, during which time he

949
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: began doctor shopping to maintain his addiction. He was charged

950
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: again with fraud for concealing information to obtain prescriptions from

951
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: four different doctors who prescribed him roughly two thousand pain

952
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 2: pills during one six month period. The case would eventually

953
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 2: wrap up in two thousand and six when Limbaugh agreed

954
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: to a plea deal that allowed him to avoid prosecution

955
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: if he sought treatment and avoided other criminal activity. It's

956
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: very frustrating. Uh huh, oh, yeah, I actually didn't. I

957
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: didn't really, I wasn't really cognizant of all the legal

958
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: side of this. I just remember the hypocrisy of him

959
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: being you know, uh, just gobbling up yeah, shaming and

960
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: while he's gobbling down these pills.

961
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 3: But I had no idea. I guess I didn't. I didn't.

962
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: I didn't bother exploring that side.

963
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: Of it, right, And like he doesn't even it's not

964
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: even a slap on the risk. It's like a little

965
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: light tap on the wrist. It's not even a slap

966
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: on the wrists. So fucking upsetting.

967
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: And again, the immorality here is that he always advocated

968
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: criminal consequences for people who did exactly what he did,

969
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: and then he didn't go on to suffer them. And

970
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: that's what's It's not that, like, there's nothing morally wrong

971
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: with being addicted to painkillers. If it were legal, I

972
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: would absolutely be a painkiller addict. Seems it's it's the

973
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: But I'm also consistent about the fact that I don't

974
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: think doing or possession any subset should be exactly with

975
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: the exception of like, you know, some explosives, there's a

976
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 2: line to be drawn. I don't think people should have

977
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: certain aramis a lot. But Harold, speaking of Heroin, you

978
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: know who supports our podcast, Sophie, I don't know the

979
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: fine people at the Sina Loa cartel, So like right now, yes,

980
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: this is a cartel supported podcast, and I just want

981
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: to say, let's go to ads before I get us

982
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: in some trouble. Ah, we're back good times. So while

983
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: Rush was using his wealth and power to avoid the

984
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: legal consequences that he enthusiastically supported existing for the crimes

985
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: he committed, he continued to act as the voice of

986
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 2: America's conservative conscience. Mostly this meant being super racist. At

987
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 2: one point, on his TV show, he played video clips

988
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: of black men and boys standing in front of the TV,

989
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 2: and like, while he was playing these clips of black

990
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: men and boys, he would stand in front of the

991
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: TV and make gorilla noises and grunts, the apparent oak

992
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: being that black people were like monkeys, Like that's kind

993
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: of I don't know what else he could be saying.

994
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 6: Pretty satirical, very satire satirical, Like, yeah, I think he

995
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 6: got that from a New Yorker cartoon.

996
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: It would be like if Jonathan Swift actually murdered Irish

997
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: children and ate them and then was like, this is

998
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: a satire. Get it, you get it. The joke is

999
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: that their food rush repeatedly blamed corruption and violence in

1000
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: African like the African nation national governments, as the fault

1001
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 2: of black people getting rid of white colonial leaders, as

1002
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: we see in this quote from two thousand and seven quote. Right,

1003
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 2: so you go into Darfur, and you go into South Africa,

1004
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: you get rid of the white government there, you put

1005
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: sanctions on them. You stand behind Nelson Mandela, who was

1006
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: bankrolled by communists for a time, had the support of

1007
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: certain communist leaders. You go to Ethiopia, you do the

1008
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: same thing.

1009
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 3: Right.

1010
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: He's saying that because the black people got rid of

1011
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 2: their colonial oppressors, that's why Africa's in bad shape. Not

1012
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: the decades of trauma those governments pushed. Not the fact

1013
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: that when those governments gave up colonial control, they put

1014
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: people like Idiot Mean, who had been a British military

1015
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 2: sergeant in charge of the government and turned out that

1016
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: he was a fucking monster. Not because these governments, like

1017
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: colonial governments, continued to suck wealth out of these countries

1018
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: and support kleptocratic dictatorships that allowed them to suck more

1019
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 2: wealth out. That made the country dysfunctional, and that led

1020
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: to consistent, like decades and decades of violence. Not that

1021
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: they supported ethnic groups one over the other like they

1022
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 2: did in Rwanda which led to their one and genocide,

1023
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 2: none of that. It's because they got rid of the

1024
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 2: white people, even the white people didn't actually leave. You know,

1025
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: it's super fucked up.

1026
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 3: I didn't know that he'd actually gone to the lengths

1027
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: of trying to smear Nelson Mandela.

1028
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, communists, Jesus great. Uh, that's good stuff. I mean

1029
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 2: in Nelson Mandela also was at one point some guy

1030
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: somebody who supported like terrorism and stuff, which also is

1031
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: totally justified. If your government is the apartheid government of

1032
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: s South Africa. Terrorism is not necessarily the wrong thing

1033
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: to do.

1034
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 3: No, I would say, it's not off the table.

1035
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 2: It's not off the table. Yeah, sometimes terrorists are right, Yes,

1036
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: that is like you could argue that the founding fathers

1037
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 2: of this nation, who despite their own bigotry and slave

1038
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: like the government they were rebelling against also allowed slavery,

1039
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: they were right to do terrorism to get rid of

1040
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 2: having a king, because kings are bad, you know, Like, yeah,

1041
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: terrorism is justified sometimes so. Rush was repeatedly critical of

1042
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: professional sports for the presence of black athletes, as we

1043
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: see in this two thousand and seven quote. Look, let

1044
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: me put it to you this way. The NFL all

1045
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: too often looks like a game between the bloods and

1046
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: the crips without any weapons there. I said it.

1047
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 3: Wow.

1048
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: The inherent criminality of black people was a belief that

1049
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: Rush held deeply, and he expressed it constantly. In nineteen

1050
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: ninety three, he said the NAACP should have riot rehearsals.

1051
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: They should get a liquor store and practice robberies. You're

1052
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 2: saying this after the LA riots, you know, this is

1053
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 2: like just this is what then? This is not people

1054
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: reacting to horrible violence the only way that they can, right,

1055
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: This is not a riot being the language of the unheard.

1056
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 2: This is what the NAACP wants because.

1057
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: They're all prim much to criticize athletes. I bet he

1058
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: couldn't even do like a jog.

1059
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's pretty great.

1060
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 3: The yeah, the talking point of like they just these

1061
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 3: you know, these people they just love to riot.

1062
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just loved her. Not these people are being

1063
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: oppressed and murdered and finally, violence was the only thing

1064
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: they could think to do because they were given no

1065
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: other options, and they've reached the end of their human tether,

1066
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: like the people I idolize who founded this nation.

1067
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, look, slavery is over. What more do you want?

1068
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 3: I mean?

1069
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: And when I say that, I don't mean to say

1070
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: like that. Obviously, anyone rioting in Los Angeles in nineteen

1071
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: ninety three was a thousand times more justified than George Washington.

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Speaker 2: And that said, I still think getting rid of a king,

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00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: all other things being equal, getting rid of a king

1074
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: is a violid reason to do violence. Kings are bad.

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00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Rush repeatedly argued that white people shouldn't be blamed

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Speaker 2: for slavery, saying it's preposterous that Caucasians are blamed for

1078
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 2: slavery when they've done more to end it than any

1079
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 2: other race. Any race of people should not have guilty.

1080
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: If any race of people should not have guilt about slavery,

1081
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: it's Caucasians. God, Rush, bitch, It's amazing how many Caucasians

1082
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: fought to keep fought and died to keep slavery going.

1083
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Speaker 3: Rush, is this just like at this point when you

1084
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 3: say things like that, right, he is what do you

1085
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 3: think the percentage is of uh? For in Russia's mind,

1086
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 3: I actually believe this or what is the most to

1087
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 3: what is the most outrageous thing that I could say?

1088
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: I think he comes to believe it because these beliefs

1089
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: become a well, I think what it is.

1090
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 3: It starts.

1091
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: He's not a political person, he doesn't care about politics.

1092
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: He starts with a joke because he starts doing this

1093
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: persona because it gets him listeners. But he's also a narcissist,

1094
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: and these beliefs aren't political stances to him. They're aspects

1095
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: of his personality. And his narcissism dictates that he comes

1096
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: to believe it because believing it and defending these things

1097
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: is the same as defending himself. And again, he's a

1098
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: fucking narcissist. I think that's how it works.

1099
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: I like the Trump thing where he starts out telling

1100
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: a lie, but then he repeats the lie enough times

1101
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 3: that it becomes true to him because he is saying.

1102
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly the case. So another repeated rush Limbaugh

1103
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: Bitt was attacking the daughters of Democratic presidents for being ugly.

1104
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty eight, he called Jimmy Carter's daughter Amy

1105
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: the most unattractive presidential daughter in the history of the country.

1106
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: In the early nineteen nineties, he declared Chelsea Clinton to

1107
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: be the White House dog, which is like just very vile.

1108
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: I don't even think it's like the Trump boys and

1109
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 2: Evanka made themselves political figures, perfectly fine to insult and

1110
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: attack them. You're never gonna hear me saying anything bat

1111
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: about like Tiffany or barn because they're they're children, you know, like,

1112
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: don't fucking talk about them if they don't make themselves

1113
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 2: into a major part of things.

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01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 3: You know.

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01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 2: Now, Chelsea Clinton's done has it put herself in the

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01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: public eye, and it's perfectly fair to criticize her for

1117
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: the thing she does in the public eye.

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01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 3: But at that time when he was saying that shit,

1119
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 3: she was but she was a child.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And what you're what he said about her

1121
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: is a kind You can't be a good person and

1122
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 2: say that about a child to an audience millions.

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01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twelve, when Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke went

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01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: before Congress to argue that contraceptive should be covered by

1127
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: the Affordable Care Act, Limbaugh called her a slut and

1128
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: a prostitute. It's it's hard. You can't overstate how vile

1129
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: he was. When the Marty from Back to the Future.

1130
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Speaker 3: Uh, Michael J. Fox.

1131
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: Michael J. Fox, Yeah, made some political statements that Limbaugh

1132
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: disagreed with limbab mimic having Parkinson's disease, to mock him

1133
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: on his show, like such a bad person to say that, to.

1134
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 3: Imply that Michael J. Fox was playing it up for

1135
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 3: the cameras. Yeah, when he went testified before Congress. I

1136
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 3: remember this. I remember this so well because Michael J.

1137
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: Fox deliberately did not take his medication and said that

1138
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 3: and said, I want you to see this is what happens.

1139
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 3: And Rush Limbaugh accused him of like playing it up

1140
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 3: like it's not that bad, and he's he's jiggling all

1141
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 3: around like that's like burned into my brain forever.

1142
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 2: It's horrific. I mean, it's like and to say that

1143
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: it would be it like, I think what he did

1144
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: was perfectly reasonable. I'm not going to take my medicine

1145
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 2: because you need to know what it is like for

1146
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: people who don't have access to the medicine. I'm rich.

1147
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: I have access to all the medicine I need here's

1148
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: what it's like. If you don't, I want to make

1149
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: this less abstract to you. Yeah, I had a friend.

1150
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: One of the big things in terms of like me

1151
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: changing my political attitudes, it started with like me changing

1152
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: my attitudes on drugs, this conservative that like marijuana should

1153
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: be illegal, that it was a moral. I had a

1154
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: friend who's much older than I met on World of

1155
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: Warcraft who had multiple sclerosis, and we were video chatting,

1156
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: and she showed me how badly her hands shook before

1157
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 2: she started smoking. Right, she showed me herself shaking, and

1158
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: then she took a hit, which was difficult for her,

1159
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: and I watched in real time how it affected her.

1160
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: And I never again supported keeping that shit illegal, because

1161
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 2: you can't when you see it, right, you can't. It's medicine,

1162
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 2: not that most people use it use it medicinally, which

1163
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: doesn't isn't wrong, like it's not wrong to use it recreationally,

1164
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: But just the idea that what she was doing was

1165
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: a crime made it clear to me how a moral

1166
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: our drug laws were in a way that maybe if

1167
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 2: I had like it would have taken longer otherwise, I

1168
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: think clearly. So. Yeah, Anyway, Limba did occasionally face consequences

1169
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: for his bald faced bigotry. In two thousand and three,

1170
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: ESPN hired him as an on air commentator. Oh yeah, yeah,

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01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 2: And he was fired after like seven weeks because he

1172
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 2: said Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb didn't deserve any of

1173
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: the praise he received. So he said Donovan, Yeah, he

1174
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 2: said Donovan McNabb didn't deserve the praise that he received

1175
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: because quote, I think the media has been very desirous

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01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black

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01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 2: coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think that there's

1178
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a

1179
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: lot of credit for the performance of his team that

1180
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: he really didn't deserve. People just like this guy because

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01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 2: he's black, not because he's a good quarterback. The media

1182
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: is invested in black men being good quarterbacks.

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01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: You know, I like that you went into your Shapiro

1184
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: voice for that quote.

1185
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 2: It's what the fuck man? You couldn't do what he's doing?

1186
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 2: How dare you like? So this combat drew enough widespread

1187
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: condemnation that Limbaugh was forced to resign from ESPN, but

1188
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: obviously this had little to no impact on his bottom line.

1189
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: Maybe it annoyed him personally, but it didn't hurt him financially.

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01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: By the early aughts, Rush was worth hundreds of millions

1191
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 2: of dollars. He had a private jet, He had a

1192
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: palatial mansion in Florida. He smoked cigars that cost more

1193
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: than some people's cars. This is disgusting, but I think

1194
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: any fair accounting of Limbaugh's career has to acknowledge how

1195
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: impressive it was too. The early two thousand saw the

1196
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 2: explosion of Fox News. This is the period where it

1197
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 2: became the most watched news network in the country. A

1198
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 2: slew of Limbaugh imitators rose up, men like Bill O'Reilly,

1199
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: Glenn Beck, and Tucker Carlson, to name a few. While

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01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: these folks were all hugely successful and influential, none of

1201
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: them ever eclipsed Rush. This is because, in addition to

1202
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 2: wielding influence, Rush held actual, demonstrable political power. And I'm

1203
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,959
Speaker 2: going to quote the Rolling Stone again here. His sky

1204
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 2: high ratings and the rabid fandom of his dittoheads, who

1205
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: just happened to fit the profile of people who voted

1206
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: frequently in Republican primaries, made it inevitable that the GOP

1207
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 2: would come courting in nineteen ninety two, after he'd boosted

1208
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: Pat Bmuchannon's pitchfork populist Make America First again challenged to

1209
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 2: George Bush. The President became so hell bent on gaining

1210
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 2: Limbaugh's favor for the general election that he not only

1211
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: invited the host to the White House but toted his

1212
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 2: bags personally into the Lincoln Bedroom. Limbaugh had only praised

1213
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 2: for Bush from that day forward, at least until he

1214
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 2: lost to Bill Clinton in November. That set a pattern.

1215
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: Limbaugh might instinctively gravitate to the radicals, but he was

1216
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: ultimately a team player, the national precinct captain of the

1217
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: Republican Party, as Mother Jones described him two years later,

1218
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: Limbaugh basically co captain the Republican Revolution with House Leader

1219
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: Knute Gingrich. When their efforts produced a landslide that brought

1220
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: seventy three anti government zelots to Congress. The host was

1221
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 2: made an honorary House freshman and feded at a GOP

1222
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 2: orientation in December, where the new members wore Rush was

1223
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: right buttons and listened to his marching orders. This is

1224
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 2: not the time to get moderate, he said. This is

1225
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 2: not the time to start trying to be liked. Ronald

1226
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: Reagan himself declared Limbaugh the number one voice for conservatism

1227
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: in our country. And Rush was always very clear suck

1228
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 2: and Rush was always very clear about where he wanted

1229
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 2: to see the part head. Smaller government, stronger, more powerful corporations.

1230
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 2: He said all he said outright, I consider myself a

1231
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: defender of corporate America. Yeah, it would not be wrong

1232
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 2: to view Rush Limbaugh as something of a cult leader.

1233
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 2: One of the strongest pieces of evidence supporting this conclusion is,

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01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 2: in my mind, Limbaugh's embrace of the irrational politics. For

1235
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 2: Rush Limbaugh was never about concrete results or observable reality.

1236
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 2: It was a fight between good his side and evil

1237
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: anyone who disagreed with him. And since those were the stakes,

1238
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: it didn't matter if he light or spread conspiracy theories,

1239
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 2: because the essence of what he was saying, that the

1240
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: Democrats were monsters, was true. Nowhere is this clearer than

1241
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 2: in his hatred of the Clintons. It started when George H. W.

1242
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: Bush lost to Bill robbing Rush of a president who

1243
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 2: would directly, you know, take him into the White House.

1244
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: Right from an early stage, Rush realized that lying about

1245
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 2: the crimes committed by Bill and Hillary was a more

1246
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: productive route than criticizing them on policy, and so in

1247
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four he announced Vince Foster was murdered in

1248
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 2: an apartment owned by Hillary Clinton and the body was

1249
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 2: taken to Fort Marcy Park, rolling Stone rights conspiracy theories

1250
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: once the province of fringe right wingers, started to become

1251
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: the mainstream Republican fair they are today during Clinton's two terms,

1252
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 2: and Limbaugh was the great popularizer of the genre. Long

1253
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: before Fox hosts began amplifying the fringier theories about American politics,

1254
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 2: Limbaugh was busy mainstreaming wingnut world. The conspiracy cranks, the

1255
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 2: John Birchers, the Christian Zionists, the science deniers, the info warriors,

1256
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 2: their wildest fantasies, fears, and paranoias all came out to

1257
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 2: play in the national prime time on The Rush Limbaugh Show,

1258
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 2: repackaged by the host into a palatable fare for the

1259
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: Republican masses. And this is this is significant because Russia

1260
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: is demonizing of the Clintons, who there's plenty of very

1261
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 2: value valid things to critique them on, but at the

1262
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 2: end of the day, pretty normal neo liberal politicians. It's

1263
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 2: even spread on the left. This idea that Hillary Clinton

1264
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 2: is somehow more of a warmonger than other liberals, right,

1265
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 2: is somehow like exceptionally bad. When she's not. She's very

1266
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 2: much in line with everyone else in the party and

1267
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 2: everyone else who has held those positions and is not

1268
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 2: as bad as some of them. Right, She's more hated

1269
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 2: by certain people.

1270
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Speaker 3: Even on the left.

1271
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 2: You'll find people are who are more directly aggressive towards

1272
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 2: her than they are a fucking kissinger. And it's not

1273
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 2: that she's not bad.

1274
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 3: She is, so is Bill.

1275
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 2: They're greedy, Bill's a rapist. They have supported, you know,

1276
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 2: initia of the Iraq War, a number of violent actions

1277
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 2: overseas that were disasters, but there they did that as

1278
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 2: part of as all like within a large group of people. Right,

1279
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 2: there's nothing about them that is exceptionally bad for the

1280
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 2: the the crew that they run with, but this absolute

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Speaker 2: demonizing of them that has a real impact by the

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Speaker 2: on the twenty sixteen election. That's a big part of

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Speaker 2: what we get Trump is something that Rush Limbaugh pioneers,

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01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: the Clintons are not like my parents hated Trump, hated

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01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 2: Trump when he was running and voted for him because

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Speaker 2: their hatred of Hillary Clinton was it's beyond rational. Yes,

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01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: it's and again a lot of super valid criticisms of

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01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton. I don't think she should have ever been president. Also,

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Speaker 2: hard to say she would have been worse than Trump.

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Speaker 2: And if you are saying like she would have, for example,

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01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 2: been more killed more people overseas than Trump, you're not

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01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 2: actually paying attention to the death toll as a result

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01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: of American air strikes and missile strikes and drone strikes

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Speaker 2: as it changed from the Obama administration where Clinton was

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Speaker 2: Secretary of State to the Trump administration, because there was

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Speaker 2: a massive escalation in death under that, in addition to

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Speaker 2: a repealing of the rule about any sort of reporting

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01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 2: about civilian casualties from US air strikes. Trump was worse

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01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 2: on this sort of stuff, but you'd never know it anyway.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get into a rant on this,

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01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 2: but like you can't it. It's almost impossible to analyze

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01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 2: the Clintons, their impact, their crimes, and their and their

1303
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 2: and their their behaviors, their policies with any sort of

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01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 2: rationality because this they've been turned into goblins. Right. Yes,

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01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 2: it's very frustrating. Yeah, and it makes it it makes

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01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: it so that if you try to say, like, well, actually,

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01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 2: this thing you're criticizing them on isn't a reasonable thing

1308
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 2: to or at least the way you're criticizing them isn't reasonable.

1309
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 2: Suddenly you're defending them, and it's like, no, that's not

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01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 2: what I'm it's very I hate it, I hate everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Sorry, It gets that that sort of specific personality

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01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 3: demonization gets in the way of actually accomplishing uh uh uh,

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01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 3: you know discussions of policy and where and where we

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01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 3: are as a country and how we do things. Because yes,

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01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 3: absolutely they were completely typical of the people that occupy

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01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 3: the White House any given a year, you know what

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01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 3: I mean. Yeah, and and to and like you know Hillary, uh,

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01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 3: even if she had killed as many people overseas as

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01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 3: Trump did, probably fewer people domestically in terms of policy

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01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 3: if you're talking about the if you're gonna talk get

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01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 3: into the pandemic and stuff like that, if she had

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01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 3: been elected and and you know, anyway, yeah, I totally

1323
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 3: agree that it's like it's a very weird uh thing

1324
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 3: that uh uh, that's that that absolutely sprung out of

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01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 3: the Rush Limbaugh.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Personal demon personal demonization.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 3: That that that then gets into you know, like the

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01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 3: fucking Alex Jones ship where he's a demon. There's fly,

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01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 3: there's a fly on her.

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01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's this, it's this turning people from like, Okay,

1333
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 2: let's analyze what this person's actually done, how it's worked,

1334
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 2: when it's been successful, when it's been unsuccessful, when it's

1335
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 2: been moral, when it's been a moral and to no,

1336
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 2: she's just a criminal. She's just a warmonger. And we

1337
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: don't have to analyze what she actually did or anything.

1338
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: We don't have to. We just have to condemn her.

1339
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: And it's not that she doesn't deserve condemnation for a

1340
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: lot of things, but like for one thing, I don't know,

1341
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to fucking get onto a defending because

1342
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,560
Speaker 2: I don't like Hillary Clinton. But she's also has it

1343
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 2: like it's very frustrating. Yeah, it's very it's all just

1344
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 2: very frustrating. And he's and he creates this culture and

1345
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 2: it spreads. Now it's not just the Clinton's now now

1346
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: it's it's everyone. Right, you don't have to analyze people

1347
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 2: that you disagree with. You come up with a three

1348
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 2: word thing about them, and you spread these like like

1349
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton has committed crimes, he's a fucking rapist. You

1350
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 2: don't have to make up that he and his wife

1351
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 2: are having people murdered. It like, yeah, yeactly, Like he's

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01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 2: a rapist. That's bad. But of course a lot of

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01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 2: people calling him a rapist or rapists themselves, and they

1354
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 2: have to make it up that now, no, he's a murderer.

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01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 2: You know. It's it's fucking bullshit. It's very frustrating. So

1356
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 2: Rush also led the charge on demonizing and denying global

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01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: warming and climate change. In his book See I Told

1358
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 2: You So, He declared that quite a few scientists are

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01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 2: now backtracking on there once dire predictions of melting ice

1360
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 2: caps and worldwide flooding cut to Texas being submerged in

1361
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 2: a layer of snow that destroys civil society. Ye, or

1362
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 2: the entire West Coast burning down last year. Anyway. He

1363
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 2: lampooned al Gore and scientists who warned about climate change

1364
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 2: as quote a few hardline doomsayers who are sticking to

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01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 2: their thermostats. Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 3: His conclusion was what you know and now it's it

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01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 3: never affected him.

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01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 2: And it never affected him now he's dead.

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01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, as far as he knows, he was right

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01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 3: about this.

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Speaker 2: He was right about this. Limball was unquestionably the single

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01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 2: most influential American conservative from about nineteen eighty nine to

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01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 2: at least two thousand and eight. Now, his star did

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01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 2: start to fade by the end of George W. Bush's term,

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01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 2: and there are a couple of reasons for this. For one,

1376
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 2: he'd been outed as an opiate addict, gone to rehab

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01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: three times, and through it all, had repeatedly defended an

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01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 2: administration that led the United States into two disastrous and

1379
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 2: expensive failed wars. By the time Barack Obama was elected,

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01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 2: many of the more libertarian minded right wing were starting

1381
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 2: to reject the neo conservative ideology that Russia's been eight

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01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 2: years hyping up. Now, the fact that Barack Obama was

1383
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 2: the man who finally broke eight years of GOP power

1384
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 2: wound up being the salvation of Limbaugh's influence. Yes, he'd

1385
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 2: encouraged the nation to burn through its treasure and influence,

1386
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 2: losing two wars, but now a black man was president,

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01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 2: the floodgates of right wing racism opened wide. In the

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Speaker 2: first four years of Obama's term, the number of hate

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Speaker 2: groups in the United States rose by seven hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty five percent. This surge in public anti black races.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's pretty shocking when you actually look at

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Speaker 2: the number.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea, there's a black president, We're gonna need

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01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 3: more hate groups. Guys, there's the hate groups, the extant

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01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 3: hate groups that we're not going to get it done.

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01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 3: We need more hate groups.

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01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,759
Speaker 2: There is a black president who in his actual policies

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01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 2: is not wildly different from George H. W. Bush. But like, yeah,

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01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 2: the fact that Barack Obama. Yeah, so this surge and

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01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 2: anti in public anti black racism was heralded, incited, and

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01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 2: led by Rush Limbaugh, the USA's most prominent bigot. There

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01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,799
Speaker 2: are a lot of different clips that I could select

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01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 2: to make this point, Paul, but none is more appropriate

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01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: than this song that aired on Russia's program while Obama

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01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 2: was still on the campaign trail. Now, the context of

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01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 2: this is that Limba was talking about the fact that

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01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 2: Al Sharpton Barack Obama. Now, Sharpton had like a public

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01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 2: series of arguments, right, I think Sharpton was backing Hillary

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01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: at first. So this is this song that you're about

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01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: to hear. The singer is supposed to be Al Sharpton

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01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 2: singing about Barack Obama, and I'm just gonna let Sophie

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 2: play the clip.

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01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 5: Now, Barack the Magic need Grow lives in d C.

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01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 3: The LA Times.

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01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 5: They call him that because he's not authentic like me

1416
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 5: in the gap from the LA Paper said him make

1417
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 5: guilty Whitespiel good.

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 3: They'll vo for him and not for me because he's

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01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:38,520
Speaker 3: not from the hood. See real black man like Snoop.

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01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: Dogg or me, Oh Farak.

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01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 3: Have talked to.

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01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 5: Talk and walk the walk, not come in late and one.

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01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 5: Oh Brock the Magic Niro lives in DC. The LA

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01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 5: Times they called him because he's.

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01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 2: Our I think that's enough of that. Yes, pretty bad.

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01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I just I guess I just wish that

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01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 3: non comedy people would stay in their lane.

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01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you know what I meaning?

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01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 3: Bro Yeah, that that like the the the meter was terrible.

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01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 3: It it's bad.

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01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 2: It's not it's not funny unless you're a bigot.

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01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, exact, unless you're a bigot.

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01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 2: So Limball had other Obama zingers, saying at one point,

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01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 2: if he weren't black, he'd be a tour guide in Hawaii.

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01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 2: In two thousand and eight, he compared Obama to a

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01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 2: cartoon monkey. He repeatedly called Michelle moochell and why because

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01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 2: she's a cow, you know, and by the and all

1438
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:46,600
Speaker 2: the while he claimed that racism had nothing to do

1439
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 2: with his hatred of Obama. Doesn't matter to me what

1440
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 2: his races. He's liberal, that is what matters to me. Yeah, okay,

1441
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 2: Barack the magic Negro guy. Yeah, I just I just

1442
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 2: bring it up a ton, that's all. Yeah, I just

1443
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 2: I can't can't talk about it enough. But I'm not

1444
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 2: a big age.

1445
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 3: It's just convenient that he's black. It's not a problem

1446
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 3: that I have with him, but it's convenient for me

1447
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 3: for my satire.

1448
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 2: God, I hate this guy.

1449
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 3: So is he even doing satire at this point? Like?

1450
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 3: Has he pretend? Has he dropped that pretense? Yeah?

1451
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: I mean I can play you songs that like, there's

1452
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 2: a bunch of Nazis that will go through and like

1453
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 2: rewrite Disney songs to be about hating the Jews and stuff,

1454
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 2: or about race traders and whatnot, because it's the kind

1455
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 2: of thing that's easy to spread. Right, You make a

1456
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 2: racist song and people laugh and at first it's a joke,

1457
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 2: and then it becomes less of a joke. It's the

1458
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: whole story, right, Yeah, that's exactly what Limbad's doing. You know,

1459
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 2: it's not even all that much less racist. He just

1460
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 2: doesn't say the N word. When Canada Obama became president, Obama,

1461
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 2: Rush said, I hope he fails, explaining that rooting for

1462
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: liberalism to fail is rooting for America to succeed. Limba

1463
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 2: declared that stopping Obama was quote what I was born

1464
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 2: to do. One of his tactics to this end seemed

1465
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,759
Speaker 2: to be stoking fears that because Obama was anti white,

1466
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 2: he was trying to gin up a race war. In

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01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, Rush declared, in Obama's America, the

1468
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 2: white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering.

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01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 2: Clearly he would have preferred it when you know, I

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01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 2: don't know when white kids were burning down black kids'

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01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 2: schools in his hometown.

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Speaker 3: Those were the days.

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01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 2: Those were the days, my friend, he thought they'd never end. Yeah,

1474
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 2: it's great. Limba was not the only person who stoked

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01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 2: white resentment and anti black bigotry in this period. He

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01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 2: was not close to the only person, but he was

1477
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 2: the man who had created the blueprint and the cultural

1478
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 2: space that all of those other right wing media figures

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01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 2: acted in. Ben Shapiro was very open about the fact

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01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 2: that Limba was his hero and idol. Alex Jones altered

1481
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 2: the way he spoke and altered the acoustics setup of

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01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 2: his Info Wars studio in order to more closely Resembleush Limbaugh.

1483
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: In twenty ten, Limbaugh was picked to address Seapack, the

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01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 2: Conservative Political Action Conference. He was the main event that

1485
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 2: year and gave what he called his first Address to

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01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 2: the Nation. Limbaugh was so central to the Republican Party

1487
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 2: at this point that RNC Chairman Michael Steele was asked

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01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 2: on CNN if Limbaugh was the effective party leader. When

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01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 2: Steele claimed that Rush was just an entertainer. This pissed

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01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 2: off Rush Limbaugh, who attacked Michael Steele on air and

1491
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 2: caused such an outpouring of right wing rage against the

1492
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 2: RNC chairman that Michael Steele was forced to make a

1493
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 2: public apology to Rush Limbaugh, kind of proving that he

1494
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 2: was effectively the leader of the Republican Party.

1495
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it puts me in mind of Howard

1496
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 3: Stern coming into the Philadelphia market and forcing John Debella,

1497
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 3: the host of The Morning Zoo, to apologize for being

1498
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 3: on the radio.

1499
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 2: Jesus, I didn't know that it happened.

1500
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: It was.

1501
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 3: Ridiculous.

1502
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 2: So as leader of the Republican Party, Limbaugh spent the

1503
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: Obama years repeatedly hammering home the idea that there could

1504
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 2: not be peaceful coexistence between the right and left in

1505
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 2: the United States. Quote from Rush, we live in two universes.

1506
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 2: One universe is a lie. One universe is an entire lie.

1507
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 2: Everything run dominated, controlled by the left here and around

1508
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 2: the world is a lie. Every other universe where is

1509
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 2: where we are, and that's where reality reigns supreme and

1510
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 2: we deal with it again America, Yeah, the real America,

1511
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: and there can be no coexistence.

1512
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, this now, now we're in the age of you know,

1513
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 3: because Biden said, you know, he's looking for unity. Anytimes

1514
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 3: somebody's looking for unity, and uh, there is a there's

1515
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 3: a criticism of a famous monster like Rush Limbaugh. The

1516
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 3: response from the right is always, oh, where's the famous

1517
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 3: unity where? Well, I thought you wanted unity, And it's like, well,

1518
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 3: do you care about unity? You don't give a shit

1519
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 3: about it. You're already living in a world that says

1520
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 3: if you don't, if you don't come to believe the

1521
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 3: things that I believe, you are against America. And you are.

1522
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 3: You're the real racist, You're the real misogynist, you are

1523
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 3: the real hater of of all things that are decent.

1524
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 3: So it's I don't know how we I don't know

1525
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 3: how we unfuck ourselves from this, from this situation.

1526
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 2: Right yeah, I don't know that we can. But the

1527
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 2: way to do it is not to not to yield

1528
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 2: to these people, right yeah, it's it's it's not to

1529
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 2: just let them get what they want, because what they

1530
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 2: want is the annihilation of the other and honestly the

1531
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 2: annihilation of themselves, because it's a fucking death cult at

1532
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 2: this point, Like they can't be allowed to win. And

1533
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 2: like the people, and that's not to say that every

1534
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 2: aspect of what has what a traditional conservative ideology is wrong.

1535
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 2: They have some points. That's why it brings people in

1536
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 2: the idea that like you should always be wary about

1537
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 2: giving the government control of things, You fucking should, you know,

1538
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 2: Like absolutely, there's a space, there is a space for

1539
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 2: conservatism in society. That is not what Rush Limbaugh turned

1540
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 2: it into. Which is not to say that it because

1541
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 2: fucking Reagan was president before Limbaugh came onto the scene,

1542
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: and he was terrible and very toxic, Not like toxicity

1543
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 2: in the Republican Party goes back very far. But also

1544
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 2: it's not for nothing that the Republicans used to be

1545
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 2: the party of Abraham Lincoln. You know, it's not there.

1546
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 2: There is a way to have a conservatism that is

1547
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 2: influential in society that isn't a fucking death cult. And

1548
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 2: we have to at very least get back to that

1549
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 2: if we're going to continue to be a democracy that

1550
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 2: doesn't spiral inevitably into civil war. You know, I have

1551
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 2: I'm a pretty committed leftist, but I also do not

1552
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 2: seek a society that forces my beliefs on other people.

1553
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 2: But you can't.

1554
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 3: You can't.

1555
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 2: Give these people an inch because they'll take everything. That's

1556
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 2: how they are, you know, That's what part what Rush

1557
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 2: had a big impact in making them into. By twenty fifteen,

1558
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 2: Rush Limbaugh had succeeded in leading a right word push

1559
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,759
Speaker 2: that finally prepared the Republican Party to nominate an obvious fascist,

1560
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Limbaugh embraced Trump early on right wing radio

1561
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 2: host and never trump er Joe Walsh, who is another

1562
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 2: actually principled conservative, draws a direct line between Limbaugh and Trump. Quote,

1563
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 2: the average Trump supporter loves Trump because he fights man.

1564
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 2: He fights, not because of any policy or issue or

1565
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 2: political philosophy. That's why they loved Rush before him. It

1566
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 2: wasn't about conservatism. I still can't tell you after thirty

1567
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 2: years what the fuck he believes in. But he knew

1568
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 2: how to pray on audience's grievances and resentments, which is

1569
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 2: what conservative talk radio does. Rush was the son of

1570
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: a bitch. He'd lie about the dims and punch them

1571
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 2: and make fun of them. That gave him a cult

1572
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 2: like following from the beginning. Trump sort of inherited it,

1573
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 2: and I Joe Walsh again not a grade I degree

1574
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 2: agree with un much, but he's right on the money here.

1575
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 2: He's analyzing it properly.

1576
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 3: Absolutely, mm hmm. The thing I think the thing also

1577
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 3: about Trump is like like Rush doesn't really have any

1578
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 3: deeply held beliefs, right, like that, You couldn't say this guy,

1579
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 3: even convincing himself, really cares that much about anything beyond

1580
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 3: what's right in front of his fucking face that is

1581
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 3: about him.

1582
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: All he cares about is his own aggrandizement. Yeah, right,

1583
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 2: it's narcissism. Trump and Limbaugh are very similar.

1584
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1585
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rush bent the knee to Trump, declaring him everything

1586
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 2: but the Second Coming, and we will not labor long

1587
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 2: on Rush during Trump's years, Because once he had helped

1588
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 2: shepherd his massive audience into Trump's arms, his cultural influence faded.

1589
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 2: It was watered down by the sheer mass of right

1590
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 2: wing idolaw ideologues who flooded the Internet. It increasingly urged

1591
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 2: their followers to embrace around rationality, conspiracy, and fascism. In

1592
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 2: February of twenty twenty, Rush led the charge denying the

1593
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 2: reality of COVID nineteen. He called it the common cold

1594
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 2: and mocked even his old ally Matt Drudge for caring

1595
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 2: about the burgeoning plague. He urged his listeners against mask wearing,

1596
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 2: calling it a symbol of fear. Rush had long denied

1597
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: the dangers of smoking, particularly secondhand smoke, but this was

1598
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 2: a new level for him. When Trump lost reelection to Biden,

1599
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 2: Limbaugh immediately called the election a sham and joined the

1600
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 2: chorus of voices claiming fraud. By this point, though he

1601
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 2: was sick and the playing field was so flooded with

1602
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 2: men who sounded like him, triggered the libs like him,

1603
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 2: lied like him, that his voice hardly rose above the

1604
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 2: din Rush had succeeded in building a right wing so

1605
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 2: made in his own image that he no longer stood

1606
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 2: out in it. His last show was February second. He

1607
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 2: died less than two weeks later, killed by the lung

1608
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 2: cancer he denied had anything to do with smoking, because

1609
01:26:55,600 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 2: that was another thing Rush denied his entire career. Joe Walsh,

1610
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 2: a former Limbaugh lover, found like when he was much younger,

1611
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 2: he got into Talk Rady because of Limbaugh, eventually wound

1612
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 2: up and to be fair before Trump rejecting Limbaugh in

1613
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, found the whole arc of Rush's

1614
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 2: career to be terribly sad. Quote. I didn't think that

1615
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 2: at the end of his life Brush would sell out

1616
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 2: to Trump the way he has. He had every opportunity

1617
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 2: this final year to come clean and be decent. I

1618
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 2: mean he was still on this February lying about a

1619
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 2: stolen election. He'll keep up this act till he dies,

1620
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:31,759
Speaker 2: and it's sad. When a writer from Rolling Stone asked

1621
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 2: if maybe the reason he kept backing Trump was that

1622
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 2: Limbaugh truly believed in what Trump said, Walsh countered with

1623
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 2: a theory of his own quote, maybe knowing him, it's

1624
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 2: one last big extended fuck you. Maybe it's Limbaugh saying

1625
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna bend to the Dims and anybody else,

1626
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 2: no matter what, never to the end, I'm never gonna

1627
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 2: do it. And at the end of this, I can't

1628
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 2: help but think that there's something terribly meaningful in the

1629
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 2: fact that Joe Walsh rejected Limbaugh in his later years,

1630
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 2: and at his end Walsh gained prominence a voice of

1631
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 2: the Rising Tea Party. He is very conservative, but his constant,

1632
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 2: principled resistance to President Trump proves that he is not

1633
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 2: a fascist. And it turns out what Limbaugh was really selling,

1634
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,799
Speaker 2: what he was preparing the American right for all along,

1635
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 2: was fascism. If you want confirmation of this, you need

1636
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 2: look no further than how America's most prominent neo Nazis

1637
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 2: reacted to Limbaugh's death. Chris Cantwell was one of the

1638
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 2: speakers and organizers of the deadly Unite the Right rally

1639
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 2: in Charlottesville. He is a straight up Nazi. He assaulted

1640
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 2: left wing counter protesters at the event, and when this

1641
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 2: brought legal consequences on him, he filmed himself crying in fear,

1642
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 2: earning the nickname the Crying Nazi. Can't Well gained prominence

1643
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:45,759
Speaker 2: among the alright as a podcaster with shows like Outlaw

1644
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 2: Conservative and Chris Cantwell openly sees Rush Limbaugh as the

1645
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 2: man who invented his style of content, who made his

1646
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 2: career possible. He's in jail right now because he made

1647
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: a bunch of illegal threats and stuff. But he was

1648
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 2: interviewed for another fascist podcast by a guy named Jared

1649
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 2: Howe on like right after Limbaugh's death, and in this

1650
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 2: clip about to play the Crying Nazi, Chris can't Well

1651
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 2: discusses his reaction to learning about Rush Limbaugh's death.

1652
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 7: And when I heard, you know, when I heard Catherine's voice, like,

1653
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 7: I choked up, and I said.

1654
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 2: Oh no, he knew, you know, And I, yeah, I knew.

1655
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,759
Speaker 2: And what is Catherine Limbaugh?

1656
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 7: I had actually, uh, she wrote a letter to Rush.

1657
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 7: I because I kept hoping that, you know, I'd get

1658
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 7: out of here in time that I could like call

1659
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 7: into the show or drop an email. And I started realizing, like,

1660
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 7: all right, he did filling host in two weeks. Uh,

1661
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 7: if I'm going to contact this guy just I'm probably

1662
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 7: gonna to do it by mail. And I was actually

1663
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 7: gonna I forgot to do what I was gonna ask you,

1664
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 7: to get me and see if there was an actress

1665
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 7: that I could write to. And uh, it turns out

1666
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 7: to a little late to this.

1667
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know when I when I heard.

1668
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,719
Speaker 7: Her voice, I choked up. I said, oh no, Shelly Arvey,

1669
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 7: and he knew exactly was going to teletal much because

1670
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 7: you had to be dead and h oh yeah I

1671
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 7: heard it when it happened, and.

1672
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 2: I was like you, so that's I mean, you know,

1673
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:13,719
Speaker 2: he's legitimately affected by this. He's mourning Rush Limbaugh, this Nazi,

1674
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 2: and he's not the only Nazi mourning Rush Limbaugh. The

1675
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:20,719
Speaker 2: Daily Shoa is one of the most prominent Nazi podcasts

1676
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 2: on the Internet. The word Shoa is the Hebrew term

1677
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 2: it means I think it means calamity for the Holocaust.

1678
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 2: So it's literally this is the Daily Holocaust and it

1679
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 2: is maybe the most prominent Nazi podcast on the internet

1680
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 2: now TDS, as its hosts call it has been on

1681
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 2: the years for years at this point, since before Trump

1682
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,799
Speaker 2: was in office, and the hosts of The Daily Shoa

1683
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 2: consider Limbaugh to be something of an idol. Now, these

1684
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 2: guys are hardcore Nazis, so they consider Russia moderate and

1685
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: they do demean him at times for that, but they

1686
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 2: also recognize that he paved the way for their financial

1687
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 2: success and cultural influence. And in this next audio clip

1688
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 2: you can here several members of the Daily Show can't

1689
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 2: emphasize that name enough. Learn live about Rush Limbaugh's death

1690
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,600
Speaker 2: and the emotional impact it has on them is undeniable.

1691
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 2: News cucked on that. But that's what happened today.

1692
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 3: Well, Svinn, that's bad news for you, buddy, Rush Limbaugh

1693
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 3: is dead.

1694
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 2: Oh I'm serious. Wow, I mean, well, I guess I

1695
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 2: can't see what he's saying about tex I'm not gonna

1696
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna dance on his gravey.

1697
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 3: He said a lot of really dumb things.

1698
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 2: But I'm still so kind of sad about that. Like,

1699
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm very sad about that. I wouldn't be here. If not,

1700
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here, says host of The Daily Show.

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01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 2: Without Rush Limbaugh, I can't think of a more damning

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01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 2: thing to say in a man's passing but that he

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01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 2: was truly honestly mourned by Nazis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the

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01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,679
Speaker 2: end of the day, that's what you can say about

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01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 2: Rush and that is the end of our episodes on

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Speaker 2: Rush Limbaugh. Wow you're doing, Paul, I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, he said some dumb things and I'm

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01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 3: gonna dance on his grave.

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01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely gonna dance that.

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01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 3: He sucked and I'm glad he's dead. He was a

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01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 3: bad person and I and I have to say on

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01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 3: social media when when the story broke people were talking

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01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 3: about it, there were a lot of people that wanted

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01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 3: to say, you know, you can you you know, you

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01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 3: can say whatever you want. But Rush was hugely successful,

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01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 3: more successful and you will ever be had more influence.

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01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 3: He was a millionaire. Guys take the w do you

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01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Yeah, you can't. And this is

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01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 3: the problem with these guys, with Trump, with people like this,

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01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:39,599
Speaker 3: is it's not enough for them to win. They need

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01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 3: people to lick the boots. They need people to say

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01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 3: you are the greatest. It is never enough for them.

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01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,600
Speaker 3: It is never enough for them to be hated, to

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01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 3: be feared, to have all the marbles. They need you

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01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 3: to say I love you too. Yes, they need it.

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01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 3: And that is that is what the only solid us

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01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 3: I can take in a life like this is that

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01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 3: in the end, he didn't get the thing that he wanted,

1729
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:11,679
Speaker 3: which was everybody saying You're the greatest and I love

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01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:12,600
Speaker 3: you and that.

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01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah it was and piss and a bunch of Nazis crying.

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01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 3: If you if you make if this is what you

1733
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 3: make of your life. This is how This is what's

1734
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 3: going to happen, is that you're gonna have people saying

1735
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 3: rest and piss. You're gonna have people saying this and

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01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:30,719
Speaker 3: it's and and sorry. You can have all the success

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01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 3: you want. You're never going to get that love. It's

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01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 3: not gonna happen.

1739
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 2: And people are actively making plans to ship on your

1740
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 2: grave because you materially harmed their lives, Yes.

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01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 3: And the lives of peace and the lives of people

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01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 3: that they loved. You have you have made life that

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01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 3: much harder for generations.

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01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 2: Of people that will come in of humans you have

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01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:58,679
Speaker 2: Rush Limbaugh had a material, significant negative impact on billions

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01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 2: of people, many of whom are yet born. Yeah, anyway,

1747
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 2: rest and piss brush. I wish this to cancer had

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01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 2: worked faster, you know. Yeah, anyway, Paul, you got some

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01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,520
Speaker 2: pluggables to plug at the end of this episode.

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01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna be appearing on the Daily Show in

1751
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: BIGS Fan, By the way, I want to I want

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01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 2: to shout out and give thanks to Daniel Harper of

1754
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 2: the wonderful podcast I Don't Speak German, which is the

1755
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:33,799
Speaker 2: deepest dives you're going to find on Nazi content creators.

1756
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 2: I guess you go Nazi thought leaders in the United States.

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01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 2: Very important work, Daniel Harper, I don't speak German. He

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01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 2: provided those clips to me. Thank you, Daniel, Yeah, sorry,

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01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 2: thank you.

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01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 3: No, not at all. Uh. You can follow me at

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01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 3: p F Tompkins on Twitter and Instagram, and I have

1762
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 3: a few podcasts that you can listen to, you know,

1763
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 3: just all the usual stuff you can find out about

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01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 3: me on Paul Thompkins dot.

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Speaker 2: Com Amazing Tompkins dot com. Well that's going to do

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01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 2: it for us here at Behind the Bastards. So go

1767
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 2: out into the world, tie one half of your brain

1768
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 2: behind your back and then die because that would actually

1769
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 2: kill you. That would immediately lead to your dot an

1770
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 2: exposed brain. There's reason we have skulls people to keep

1771
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:25,440
Speaker 2: your brain inside of it. Yeah, anyway, by guys podcasts.

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