WEBVTT - Gleetastic Fanfiction 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.479 And that's what you really missed with Jenna. 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.160 And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:14.360 Welcome to and That's what you really missed fanfic addition. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:20.320 Yo, do people go fanfic? Yeah? Okay, fan fiction, fanfic. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:21.440 I am nervous. 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:28.080 This is so fascinating to me because I've never I 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.320 never would have come across fan fiction. I've got to 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:32.800 be completely honest. It's just not something that would have come. 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:34.720 Across my internet girly like. 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:40.000 No and I. But I love learning about it and 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.600 understanding why people are connected to it and why they 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:49.839 do it. So I buckle up, everyone. 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.280 Strap in. We are exploring the world of Glee fan fiction. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.760 We have three wonderful guests today that are going to 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.680 take us through how they found fan fiction, what it 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:01.720 means to them, and just explain the world to us 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:06.120 because we don't know anything about this because I have 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.880 sort of steered myself and others on the show away 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.559 from it after accidentally stumbling across the story. 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:13.920 Yeah, we had to debunk this. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.840 Yeah, so yeah, we want to hear about all the 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.240 wonderful things fan fiction does. 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.840 And is okay, So first, Kevin, we have Brie, who 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.200 is the reason why we're doing this to begin with, 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.559 so Bre reached out to our producer because she wants 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:38.840 to debunk the fan fiction that we all hear about 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:43.720 the misconceptions. Yes, misconceptions. She's a family trauma therapist and 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:48.000 she's a Glee fan. She loves Britanna and she's into 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.600 fanfic and I can't wait to hear from her. 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.320 Yeah, who better to introduce us to the world. This 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:54.800 is Bree. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:02:00.000 Hello, Bri. Hi, guys, Hi, how are you. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:01.600 I'm good, how are you? 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:03.520 Nice to meet you. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:05.200 Wonderful meeting you. 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.440 Thanks, thank you for being here, joining us. 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.000 Reaching out with this awesome idea. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.920 Absolutely, I've heard you guys talk about it before, and 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:15.959 I'm like, I really wish I could clear the air here. 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.040 Let's clear the air. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:22.679 What we were talking about is fan fiction because we 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.760 inadvertently are aware of it because obviously people wrote about 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:35.359 the show we were on. But you wrote fan fiction? 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:41.040 Yes I did, Okay, So just start at the beginning. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:48.880 Yes, absolutely, I will take you back. So I was 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.480 a little a little bit older than the other guests 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.840 you've had on the show. When the show was popular. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.800 I was in I was finishing up undergrad so I 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:06.000 was in my twenties. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, so I 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.080 you know, and when I heard about the show, I 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.440 really wasn't aware of it in the first season. And 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.760 I remember my ex came to me during second season 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.480 when the Brittany Brittany episode aired and was like, these 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:22.520 people are going to do these songs, you know, covering Brittany, 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:23.639 and I was like, how dare they? 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:29.440 Like, let's watch this because there's hate watch it right, 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.240 So we tuned in and I wish it was this 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.840 like magical, my eye opening moment, but no, I was like, no, 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:36.520 that's trash. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:41.200 I can't watch the show. And I couldn't stop thinking 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.440 about it, like it was. It was weeks and weeks. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.160 I was like, you know what, I was actually pretty good. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.880 And I went back and I watched the episode over again, 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.480 and I was like, oh, damn, okay, all right, so 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.080 let's figure out what this is all about. So I 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.360 went back to the beginning and started to to rewatch slowly, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.240 and by the time that I had hit Your Guys' 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.480 live airing, it was beginning a third season. So I 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.360 missed the tour, I missed everything, and then I got 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:16.440 really into it and something just clicked with you know, 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.560 the show. It really hit me in a way and 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:23.800 that I needed at the time. And just to talk 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.080 about fan culture, I'm probably not going to use the 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:30.440 word obsessive because it has a negative connotation to it. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:36.640 Some call it hyper fixation. So I became super hyper 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:41.320 fixated with the show with certain storylines, and that really 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.240 led me to start venturing into the internet, which is 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:49.720 a dangerous place, definitely. And someone was like, hey, no, 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.960 people write about this stuff. It's like what, So I 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.120 went on. I read a few weirded me out at first, 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.520 but I was always into creative writing, so I was like, 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.760 wait a second, maybe I can do this. And it 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.840 was pretty crappy writing in the beginning. I started writing. 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:05.919 It was not good. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.200 Did you post that what you were writing? 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:09.000 I did? 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:16.560 Yes, really immature writing at first, and then I just 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.000 dove into it and I got a lot better. And 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.080 I was raised in a house where, you know, my 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.120 grandmother had a master's in British lit and a master's 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.359 in English, and so I was already pretty decent with 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.360 with the writing piece. And I actually still write to 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:32.839 this day. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.800 And you still do you write about any other characters 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.799 outside of Glee. Yes, in the world. 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.280 Okay, two shows have made it to that point in 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:43.719 my brain. 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.000 Wow, it's a good way to put it. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:52.200 Yes, okay, it's a great escape, honestly, and. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.719 What a great exercise also for creative writing. And you 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:56.440 also like, when you were putting it up, what where 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:57.880 would you post these things? 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.240 Yeah? So this was all the way back when I 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.320 started finding stories, was all the way back when live 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.880 journal was a thing. I never was on live journal, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.839 but I moved onto fanfiction dot Net and then transferred 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:15.000 over to a site called Archive of our Own, which 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.000 is now really the primary site. There are others that 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.919 are coming out, but that's a great one. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:27.000 So okay, I have so many questions. Oh no, I'm 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.760 interested because you are a family trauma therapist, Chris. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:30.720 I am. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:36.200 So there's a lot of I'm sure of breaking down 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.080 if you will, of this fan fiction. But I was 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:43.400 wondering before we get into that portion of the interview, 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:48.600 did you do you find there's a community that you 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.440 connect with in the fan fiction world or is it 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:55.919 kind of more individual and you share and read and 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:56.760 write on your own. 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.279 Yeah, it's a little bit of both actually. So in 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.559 the very beginning it was a very connective piece where 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.279 you were finding other authors. Sometimes you reached out to 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.720 them and you're like, hey, love your story, this is great, 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.040 and you connected with people. And Tumblr was a huge 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.239 bridge for that as well. Uh, fan fiction and Tumblr 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:15.720 are a very close relationship. 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.360 And so I found that out by accident one time. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.240 Oh I want to know about that, he said, one time? 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:27.640 Get off here. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.400 Yeah, and now this is obviously before the restrictions were 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:33.280 put on Tumblr too. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:45.280 Yes, okay, there were illustrations. Oh yes, it's a world okay, sorry, 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:47.040 a great sense of community. 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.440 Right, So I did find a close group of friends 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.240 that I have actually met, right, we just wrote together. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.520 So when you are writing a fan fiction story, you 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.760 actually are encouraged to find what's called a beta and 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.680 aa is somebody who edits and reads your story and 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.160 gives you feedback. And so you can go ahead and 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.800 let your beta read it and they give you the feedback, 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.920 you make the changes, and then you post it. So 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.720 you're pretty much partnered with somebody, which is really great, 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.400 and you find that person yourself or people volunteer. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:17.400 Very cool. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.320 Wow, So do you read other people and like, oh 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.880 I like their style, maybe they'd be a good fit 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.240 with me to be beta. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.600 Absolutely, I used to. I am totally individual now, so 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.160 now that I've gotten older and I have a family, 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.400 I don't really have time for all that communication. So 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.000 I do write on my own and I'm pretty confident 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:38.800 in my writing now that i can do it without 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.880 an editor. But yeah, so I'm solo. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:48.880 Now, Okay, yeah, okay, Jenna, No, I gotta. I'm so 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:53.559 curious of what your analysis is of the psychology behind 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:58.600 fan fiction. Great question, give it to us, all right. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.160 So there are so many reasons, right why someone might 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.680 become deeply engrossed in something, whether it be an artist 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.760 or a show or a movie. And I don't want 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.680 to categorize these things to where people are like, no, 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.360 that's not true for me. That's not true for me. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.800 There's a ton of things we don't have enough time 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.000 in the world to get into the case. Yes, yeah, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:27.760 but for something that happened for me was when you're 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:32.679 going through something traumatic or very heavily impactful, or you're 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.640 unhappy or you're uncomfortable in your environment. Some people really 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:40.600 like to become lost inside a world that isn't their own, 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.160 whether it be books or painting or drawing or TV shows, music, 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:49.360 whatever the medium. Right, there's the comfort in having somewhere 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.120 to go that makes you feel safer than where you 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.720 actually are. And it's not to say that there isn't 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.520 a true appreciation for the art or the acting or whatever, 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.959 you know, whatever it is, but it is an escape 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.840 and it's a safe place. So we can, you know, 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.080 we get lost in the space where you research and 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.440 you overanalyze and you rewatch, and that's where sort of 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.200 fan fiction comes in, is you sort of dive into 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.600 a space where you don't have to deal with whatever 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:22.319 it is it's going on. So that is a huge 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.360 reason why people can become very lost. And I do 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.200 want to say that just because someone gets hyper fixated, 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.800 it's not really an excuse for them to bully or 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.160 act in appropriately or violate your personal boundaries. Right, This 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.880 is just a much safer way for them to have 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.320 an outlet from what's really going on in the real world. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.559 Yeah, that makes sense. It's also I imagine too, when 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.720 you're then you start getting into fan fiction, you're creating 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:52.480 the narrative. You're creating the world world, the safe world 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:56.440 maybe in which you wish was happening in your life world. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.240 Yes, totally. You can do that, or you can go 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.640 completely fan you can go totally out of left field, 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.440 which is also a huge thing that you see in 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.800 fan fiction as well. And not to mention they you know, 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.280 it's so much easier to write this story right when 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.280 the characters are already established, the world already established, because 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:20.120 world buildings really hard. So it is nice. It's not that, 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.239 you know, we want to obsess over these characters necessarily, 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.000 it's just that they're there for us and we know 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.200 them and we feel like, you know, what's going on 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.440 inside their heads. So you want to place that in 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.120 a situation that you really want, you know, people to 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:33.680 read about. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.600 Hmmm, well, now I'm I'm very curious. 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.600 It's not all sketchy and it's well. 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.559 I think that's important though, because not everybody knows about 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.040 fan fiction, right. This is something that I learned about 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.040 because of I was on Glee. I don't know that 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.280 I would ever have learned about it otherwise. And so 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.280 for people who don't know about fan fiction, can you 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:00.600 debunk what what some of those myths and things are 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.600 like some of the things that surround it. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.679 Absolutely, yeah, I mean one of the most common misconceptions 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:13.960 about fan fiction is that it's all erotic literature. Right, Yeah, 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:19.160 smut is a great fan fiction word. It's not promise. 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.000 There is plenty of that. I'm not going to say 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:23.840 it doesn't exist. There is a lot of it. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:25.040 There's something for everyone. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.520 There's something for everyone. And that's really it, right is 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.000 there is something for everyone. If you want something more 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.400 mild PG, a really nice fluff story is what they 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.640 call it, something with a lot of happy feelings. You 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.360 can find that, and then you can find something really 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.000 angsty if you're feeling in a mood like you want 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.840 to murder mystery. Honestly, you can go down that route 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:51.240 as well. There's a lot of post apocalyptic stories. It's 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.320 just people taking these characters and putting them into even 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.800 other shows like Walking Dead or something like that, and 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.240 really making you, you know, your careacters live out what 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.479 they would react in that setting, which is really fun. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.000 Which just makes a lot of sense. I mean, it's 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.960 all based off of fictional people, fictional settings and situations, 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.040 and so it's I think it's like Jennifer, you and 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.520 I I can see your wheels turning. I think sometimes 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.560 it's hard to like separate ourselves from like characters that 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.200 we may play because like we see ourselves doing it, 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.720 and so then we correlate that to if people are 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:30.040 writing about this, then we're picturing ourselves in those situations 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.520 where it's like, well, no, these are fictional characters, right, 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.640 doing fictional things. And people can put Already and Tina 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.200 into the Walking Dead and like, how would they do? 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.400 Good luck time? Not well, but I. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:48.600 Cannot imagine what it's like to something and picture yourself 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.000 in it, right, But. 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.280 I do understand though, Like as a fan of fiction, 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.920 I read a lot, I watch a lot of TV, 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.280 a lot of movies. How that could be appealing and 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.160 how that could be like such a great creative outlet, 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.959 a great community building, right, And also they have finding 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.320 other stories of things you're interested in that you may 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.640 not feel inclined to write about, but like, oh I 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.800 want to see what that what that's all about? 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:16.640 Yeah? 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.240 Absolutely, well thanks for that. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:20.720 That didn't take me long to be sold on that, 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:21.040 did it? 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:23.480 And listen here? 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.880 And I want to show you guys something and it's 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:29.960 it's super weird and personal to me. But I not 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.240 only love to write, but I love to edit. And 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.040 I did edit a story for somebody once and it's 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:40.880 my favoritely fan fiction I've ever edited, and so for myself, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.320 I got it published into a real. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.880 Book that is long. 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:52.200 Yes, it's a full twenty seven chapter, four hundred page story, 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.640 and you know, I've reread it five or six times 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.160 in the last several years, and it sits on my 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:02.040 shelf and I can pull it off and it feels 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:06.280 like a real comfort story. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:10.320 Oh so vast. Oh my god, I'm sorry. 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:11.920 We're sitting here with our mouths open. 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:14.520 Wow. 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:15.440 That's incredible. 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:16.040 This is wow. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.640 Really bring back a lot of memories. Actually, because I 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:22.920 have to say so back to like I don't know, 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.560 teen closeted me. I would go on Tumblr and look 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:32.160 for like gay fiction stories because I didn't know where 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.600 to find them or I didn't have any gay friends, 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.520 and so I would find and not like smut, as 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:41.800 we said, but you know it's like what you might 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:45.320 see now and a heart stopper or sex education, like 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:50.040 these stories that I couldn't yes, And then I could 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:54.120 search on Tumblr and like find these wonderful made up stories. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.640 And some of them were like more unrefined than others, 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.760 more amateur sounding than others, but it didn't matter because 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.360 you could tell these people were learning and as you 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.600 were like reading these very they could be very long, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.880 as like you just held up that book and the 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.840 chapters would get better and better and better because the 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.200 writers were getting better and better. And it was like 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.440 a really my favorite thing to like do, one line, 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:18.400 was to read these stories. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:22.320 Yeah, and that's a huge reason too. And I, you know, 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.360 we grew up I think in probably the same era. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:29.720 And I also was desperate for queer content, and for me, 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.320 I think it came a little later. You know, as 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.080 a lesbian there was a lot of lesbian representation. You 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.160 had the L word, but I was seventeen. I was 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.400 probably a little young for that. So I came. But 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.840 you know, the first show that I really found was 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:46.200 on a network called The En. I don't know if 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.760 you remember that, yeah, yes, and it's a show called 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:50.600 South of Nowhere. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:52.360 Yes, yep. 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.760 That was my very first representation of a lesbian relationship 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:01.840 on television that wasn't a side joke. You So, so 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.040 when Glee came around and the whole Brittany and Santana 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:09.800 relationship blew my mind, right, that was something that I 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.160 needed in that moment. And I needed more and more 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:16.560 of it, so down these paths as you just talked about. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:21.639 Yeah, totally. Well, this is thank you for sharing with 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.760 us all of these wonderful things. This is so fascinating 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.000 and you you're the one who you know, reached out 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.680 to our producer to say, let's let's talk about this 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.520 fan fiction thing. So thank you so much for opening 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.399 up the conversation and you know, getting us to do 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.760 this podcast episode. It's very, very cool, and we're so 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.480 grateful for you and all of these wonderful things you've 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.119 shared with us. So thank you so much. 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:47.439 Grace having distinctly explained it to idiots like us, appreciate it. 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.160 So listen, it's my job. 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:55.720 Yes, true, I get that, we get that. Thank you 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.600 so much. Gre's really nice to meet you, of course, anytime. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:00.560 Thank you. 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.880 Okay, Next up, we have one of our old friends, Allison, 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:17.440 co host of Gleek of the Week podcast. Who knew Alison, 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.520 who is a host of a Glee podcast, dabbled in 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:26.760 Glee fanfic. I'm very excited, very excited to have Alison back, 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.920 so let's talk to her again. 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.000 I'm sorry now, we're just she's been too much time 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:36.760 to time together. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:39.439 How are you? 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.000 How are you so great? 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.040 So excited to speak with you all again. 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.520 I know, thanks for coming on. We just we have 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.840 talking about some fan fiction. You know, we. 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.080 Decided because it keeps coming up and like we need 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:58.600 to just hunker down here and figure out out because 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.919 we know you read fan fiction. Oh yeah, you've written 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:09.120 some fan fiction. Yeah, how did it come to you? 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:10.760 How did you find fan fiction? 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:11.720 Tell us? 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:13.359 How did I find fan fiction? 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:14.360 Hm? 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:22.560 I was heavily on. I think the. 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:26.600 Glee fan to Tumblr pipeline to fanfiction dot net is 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.520 like a straight line that steps one, two, and three. 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:36.159 And because I remember following all of these Glee tumblers 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.800 and they would like link, I think the people that 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:45.640 would post on Tumblr were creative types, writing types, drawing types. 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.680 So like, in addition to fan art, there was. 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:52.359 Fan fiction and the people that I followed would post 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.520 their fix or like. 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:02.240 Or stories that they're like. This is like same to 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:07.040 talk to Kevin mckalon, Janoshkow. It's about this is it's 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.520 such a full circle moment. This feels so this is 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.359 healing in many ways. 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:13.800 Let it out. 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.840 Yea, that is what our podcast is for. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.920 So yeah, that's how I kind of found it, and there, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.520 I mean fanfiction dot Net. I think Glee was like 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:33.400 one of the biggest branches. I don't have the like statistics, 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:35.119 but I think it has to be one of the 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:35.840 biggest branches. 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:40.080 I think Harry Potter is up there and the Glee world. 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.040 Because because of the fan base. 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.040 And I think the vent diagram for those fandoms is 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:52.920 pretty close to being a circle totally. But yeah, that's 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:57.560 how I found it and how I started writing it. 0:20:57.720 --> 0:20:59.680 There were just well, I have two stories. 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:06.439 I have a fincial story called Fate Has this is 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.120 hilarious to speak. 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.919 About, called Fate Has dealt its cards. 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:17.639 I when I wrote, I only wrote like four chapters 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:19.119 per story. 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.720 They're complete there. They don't wrap up. 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:26.439 There's not like building action, a climax and then like 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:28.200 denument like a resolution. 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:32.520 It's just like stream out there exactly. 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.600 And that's I have a fincial story and I have 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:38.399 a claim story. 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.000 And those are my two number ones. 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:45.280 And I had like, like in twenty eleven, I was 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:52.880 what fifteen so very much like do some creative writing 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:59.440 with these these tropes that I love, because like my 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:06.080 claim story is if what would happen if Blaine's dad 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:11.200 enlisted him in the army and they were separated, which 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.480 is like kind of my hair is my favorite musical 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:21.440 And at fifteen, that's all I wanted to think about. 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:23.879 I was very obsessed with like nineteen sixty eight, nineteen 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:27.440 sixty nine, like woodstock hair, Vietnam War era. 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:29.680 Blaine goes to war. 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:33.119 Getsped drafted for the wary. 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:37.320 Blaine gets drafted and yeah, and I had this beautiful 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:39.760 scene in my head that I don't ever think made 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:40.560 it to fan fiction. 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:44.400 Done that, but it was like the goal, the guiding. 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:47.200 Goal, the guiding light was going to be. 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:55.760 Blaine is like for some reason, they're putting army musicians 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.920 on the radio and Kurt would be just planning around 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:03.080