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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's what you really missed fanfic addition.

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Speaker 2: Yo, do people go fanfic? Yeah? Okay, fan fiction, fanfic.

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Speaker 2: I am nervous.

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Speaker 1: This is so fascinating to me because I've never I

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Speaker 1: be completely honest. It's just not something that would have come.

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Speaker 2: Across my internet girly like.

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Speaker 1: No and I. But I love learning about it and

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Speaker 1: understanding why people are connected to it and why they

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Speaker 2: Strap in. We are exploring the world of Glee fan fiction.

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Speaker 2: We have three wonderful guests today that are going to

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Speaker 2: because we don't know anything about this because I have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to debunk this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, we want to hear about all the

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Speaker 2: wonderful things fan fiction does.

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Speaker 1: And is okay, So first, Kevin, we have Brie, who

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Speaker 1: is the reason why we're doing this to begin with,

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Speaker 1: so Bre reached out to our producer because she wants

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Speaker 1: to debunk the fan fiction that we all hear about

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Speaker 1: the misconceptions. Yes, misconceptions. She's a family trauma therapist and

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Speaker 1: fanfic and I can't wait to hear from her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who better to introduce us to the world. This

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Speaker 2: is Bree.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Bri. Hi, guys, Hi, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Nice to meet you.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful meeting you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you for being here, joining us.

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Speaker 1: Reaching out with this awesome idea.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I've heard you guys talk about it before, and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I really wish I could clear the air here.

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Speaker 1: Let's clear the air.

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Speaker 2: What we were talking about is fan fiction because we

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Speaker 2: inadvertently are aware of it because obviously people wrote about

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Speaker 2: the show we were on. But you wrote fan fiction?

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Speaker 2: Yes I did, Okay, So just start at the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I will take you back. So I was

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Speaker 4: Like, let's watch this because there's hate watch it right,

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Speaker 1: And you still do you write about any other characters

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, it's a great escape, honestly, and.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of I'm sure of breaking down

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Speaker 3: So there are so many reasons, right why someone might

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Speaker 3: Yes, totally. You can do that, or you can go

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Speaker 1: I think that's important though, because not everybody knows about

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Speaker 3: There is plenty of that. I'm not going to say

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Well, this is thank you for sharing with

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Speaker 2: Grace having distinctly explained it to idiots like us, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I know, thanks for coming on. We just we have

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Speaker 8: I was heavily on. I think the.

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Speaker 8: Or stories that they're like. This is like same to

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Speaker 2: Let it out.

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Speaker 9: It was a fifteen year old creative writing moment. And

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Speaker 2: Great. Do you ever go back and read these?

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Speaker 9: I think it's like it's like reading my diary age fifteen.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 2: I get it. It's like I feel watching myself like Glee.

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Speaker 1: Totally totally has hurts so much. I did.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, who was that? I don't know who?

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Speaker 1: That is exactly getting I was. I always say like,

446
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Speaker 1: oh I wasn't trying there.

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Speaker 2: Every Now I'm like, oh I showed up that day.

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Speaker 2: So I imagine you go back and read writing.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, right if I.

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Speaker 2: Know now now, yeah, exactly.

451
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Speaker 1: You talked to Robert Alight recently because you guys are

452
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Speaker 1: watching the Glee Project, right.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Andrew just did a full interview with Robert Alric

454
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Speaker 9: and it was amazing because we did just watch all

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Speaker 9: ten episodes of Glee Project season one, Oh my yeah,

456
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Speaker 9: and it was so so fun and it was The

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Speaker 9: interview with Robert was kind of just a nice little

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Speaker 9: stamp at the end to kind of summarize how we felt.

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Speaker 8: But that was a journey.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure that was truly a journey. I don't

461
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Speaker 1: think I could watch it.

462
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Speaker 9: To you, it was hard to watch at some points.

463
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Speaker 9: It was very much like Sign of the Times.

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Speaker 2: But I think i'd be stressed.

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Speaker 10: Like these kids a lot, and the fact that we've

466
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Speaker 10: like spoken with a lot of them, like we've spoke

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Speaker 10: with Lindsay and Samue Larson and Damian McGinty, Like we've

468
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Speaker 10: spoken with so many of them.

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Speaker 9: It's it's kind of like again full circle, like it

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Speaker 9: makes complete sense.

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Speaker 1: Totally, Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 9: But when what I wanted to ask you is when

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Speaker 9: we did we did a whole fan fiction bonus episode,

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Speaker 9: and I drew up some statistics, and I went to

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Speaker 9: ourcove of our own and I made some graphs, and

476
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Speaker 9: I do you know who the most Glee fan fiction

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Speaker 9: is written about as a couple.

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Speaker 8: Guess Clain for sure. Yeah, Clain is almost fifty percent.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, more than fifty percent of Glee fan fictions that.

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Speaker 8: Make every other category is like a nice little sliver

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Speaker 8: fifty percent.

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Speaker 9: Clain and Blaine and Kurt are the two are the

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Speaker 9: two main stories. But then male male relationships are like

484
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Speaker 9: almost seventy five percent of all Glee fan fiction.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I believe that.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, so, if clean Clean's written about

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Speaker 1: a lot, right, do other characters from the world show

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Speaker 1: up from Glee show up? Or is it really very

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Speaker 1: like clean centric if it's a clean story. I'm so curious.

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Speaker 9: It's that's a very good question, and I think absolutely yes,

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Speaker 9: other characters show up in minor roles.

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Speaker 8: I read a fan fiction and it was Blaine centric.

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Speaker 9: But then you also have all the Warblers, like Wes

494
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Speaker 9: comes in, You've got Sebastian smythe You've got Rachel coming

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Speaker 9: in talking to Kurr. Got it, Okay, everybody else is there,

496
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Speaker 9: but like it's focusing on and like Bert and Carol.

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Speaker 1: Of course there were have to be given. Okay, fascinating, you.

498
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Speaker 2: Can find it. There's a whole world out there for you.

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Speaker 2: You can go find it.

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Speaker 1: No, this is why I'm doing this in this in

501
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: this podcast is because this is a space, safe space,

502
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Speaker 1: fascinating to get to it. Interesting. I'm just touching the

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Speaker 1: line and that's as far as all go.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but I have you found fan fiction that's like

505
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Speaker 9: about not Tina and Artie.

506
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Speaker 8: But Kevin and Jenna, well.

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Speaker 1: We've heard about that certain Absolutely, it's even weirder.

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Speaker 2: I keep saying that I did stumble across like Kevin

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Speaker 2: and Chris One.

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Speaker 1: No, I can't do it that time. It's weird enough

511
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Speaker 1: to think like, oh, Tina, like Kevin was trying to

512
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Speaker 1: explain this to me earlier, like it's like we imagine

513
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Speaker 1: ourselves in it, right, because we're if we're being written about.

514
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Speaker 1: But then it's like a whole other level if you're

515
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Speaker 1: like talking about the person behind the character. Yeah, it's

516
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Speaker 1: very strange. Yeah, but I'm I respect it. I I

517
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Speaker 1: really do. I get it, you know what I mean?

518
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Speaker 1: Like this is something I love it as a creating readers.

519
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Speaker 1: I don't really makes me to read it, but I

520
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Speaker 1: want to know about it. That's the thing. I'm so

521
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Speaker 1: fascinated by it, and I'm.

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Speaker 2: There's like there's a layer of protection. Yeah, Allison can tell.

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Speaker 1: Us, yes, she's exactly. Honestly, though, I would read fan

524
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Speaker 1: fiction if it wasn't about Glee or our characters much

525
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Speaker 1: easier than I would if it was Tina and Artie

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Speaker 1: or Jenna and Kavin. You know, why do you make sense?

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Speaker 2: I do have a question though, and I don't. I know,

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Speaker 2: you're not necessarily like the authority of No. Okay, she

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Speaker 2: is all right as the authority figure of Lee fantic No.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think it is seventy five percent male

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Speaker 2: male relationships and clean?

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Speaker 8: That's such a good question too.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think it's I think because of how

534
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Speaker 9: monumental Kurt and Blaine's relationship was for television in general, right,

535
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Speaker 9: I think that unlocked a door for Oh, I can

536
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Speaker 9: write stories like that.

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Speaker 8: Stories like that are okay to talk about.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I'm also going to write stories, and I'm also

539
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Speaker 9: going to take it like I think Curtain Blaine, for

540
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Speaker 9: a lot of people, including myself, was like the reason

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Speaker 9: that you watched the show and the reason that you

542
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Speaker 9: like really got into it, and there are tumblers completely

543
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Speaker 9: dedicated to them, and people were really, really, really all

544
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Speaker 9: about those characters. And so I think that's probably why.

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Speaker 9: And I think most of those male male relationships are

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Speaker 9: Curtain Blaine or just exploring that, because fan fiction is

547
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Speaker 9: you can make it whatever you want, and the little

548
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Speaker 9: nuances of like oh I kind of saw Sam looking

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Speaker 9: at Finn in the choir room. I'm going to take

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Speaker 9: that nuance in the episode, and I'm going to make

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Speaker 9: a whole entire story about it.

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Speaker 2: Oh that made me want to look it up. No,

553
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Speaker 2: maybe that's why I'm the target audience. People are starved

554
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Speaker 2: for this content. Jenna. Oh, it's so good, Like you

555
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Speaker 2: have the parameters set up right, like and so then

556
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Speaker 2: it's like, oh, we needed this type of relationship, and

557
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Speaker 2: now these characters exist in the world, exists, what else

558
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Speaker 2: can we do with them?

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Speaker 9: Exactly if it's not if not, it's not happening on

560
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Speaker 9: TV like I wanted to.

561
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Speaker 8: I'm just gonna make it myself.

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Speaker 2: Makes sense, and I think.

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Speaker 9: It in turn reinforces the watching of the actual content, right,

564
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Speaker 9: because you've got these like head canons now in your head,

565
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Speaker 9: like oh yeah, Salmon Finn, They're definitely.

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Speaker 2: Yes yeah, which explained about like eighty percent of the

567
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Speaker 2: tweets I get, oh yeah, Like I knew somewhere that

568
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Speaker 2: this was a part of it, but I think I

569
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Speaker 2: didn't realize it was a huge of it. Yeah, because

570
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Speaker 2: people ask me crazy shit, I'm like what, like what, No,

571
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Speaker 2: Like we're just that sort of thing like Sam and Lardy.

572
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Speaker 2: Sam's bisexual, Like No, I don't.

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Speaker 5: Think where does that come from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm sure that's all because there was a look,

575
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Speaker 2: a comment and then.

576
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Speaker 1: And then some fan fiction.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think people want to see themselves in

578
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Speaker 9: those characters totally.

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Speaker 8: They want to relate.

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Speaker 1: So Alison, thank you so much for coming and sharing

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Speaker 1: with us. This is always wonderful to see you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: come back soon, good to see you.

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Speaker 8: Thank you so much for you.

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Speaker 6: Up.

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Speaker 1: Of course they had Andrew. She's so great, she's the best.

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Speaker 2: This makes so much sense to me, Jenna does it.

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Speaker 2: It does. So There's my favorite teen show of all

588
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Speaker 2: time is called Scom. It's from Norway and each episode

589
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Speaker 2: each season focused on a different person within like a

590
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Speaker 2: friend group. And then the third season was a gay

591
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Speaker 2: storyline and it became the massive fiction tumbled tumblred thing

592
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Speaker 2: that year. And that was like six or seven years ago,

593
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Speaker 2: I think, And so that was, you know, post Glee,

594
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Speaker 2: and I think that, yeah, it all makes sense. That's

595
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Speaker 2: because like when there's a hunger for these types of

596
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Speaker 2: relationships and then when they're on screen and then.

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Speaker 1: They there's just a world in which they're then creating.

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Speaker 2: The male mayor relationship though and not like the Britney

599
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Speaker 2: Santana relationship.

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Speaker 1: I think they're popular as well, though I would imagine.

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Speaker 2: But maybe in different mediums, Like maybe in a different form.

602
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Speaker 2: It's not necessarily the fan fiction, right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So last time we have Pamela. Pamela is one

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Speaker 1: of our og Glee fans. Very exciting and she's an

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Speaker 1: og when it comes to fan fiction as well. She's

606
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Speaker 1: also has your dream job, Kevin. She's a manager of

607
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Speaker 1: a bookstore. So, I mean, there's not a lot else

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Speaker 1: that we have to say.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk to her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she writes fan fake and she's part of the

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Speaker 1: fandom since she was a kid. So let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, Hi Pama. How's it going.

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Speaker 5: I'm a little overwhelmed.

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Speaker 6: That's like, Oh, I'm contributing some wonderful people. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for taking the time too. Yeah talk to us.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Very excited to talk to you because so we're talking.

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Speaker 1: About fan fiction all day today.

619
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it keeps coming up as we're doing this podcast.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

621
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Speaker 2: And a couple of things. One, yes, you're like an

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Speaker 2: og gleek. Yes, like Glee fan.

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Speaker 5: I am, yes.

624
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Speaker 2: Og sort of dabbler in the fan fiction. Yeah, And

625
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 2: also you have like my dream job of like working

626
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Speaker 2: like managing a bookstore.

627
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Speaker 5: Yes, I run a bookstore.

628
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Speaker 2: Wow, you were just like surrounded by all this literary

629
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Speaker 2: creativity all the time, which I'm very jealous of. I

630
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Speaker 2: just wanted, like, how we'll start at the beginning and

631
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Speaker 2: then we'll see because I feel like there's a beautiful

632
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Speaker 2: line here. But so you started watching Glee when it

633
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Speaker 2: was originally on.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yes, I did, Yes, I did?

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Speaker 2: What and or how did you find the fan fiction

636
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Speaker 2: while you were watching? Like what brought you to finding

637
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Speaker 2: fan fiction? How did you stumble across it?

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Speaker 6: Okay, Well, the thing about it is that, I mean

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Speaker 6: I'm an older fan, and uh, the gleeve was not

640
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Speaker 6: my first fandom experience, so like I started the one

641
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Speaker 6: before I was in the office, so I had like

642
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Speaker 6: we're a office fan fiction too, and like before and

643
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Speaker 6: all that. And I've been writing stories and can fiction

644
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Speaker 6: since I was nine years old, I mean like getting

645
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Speaker 6: on like onto like the internet and like in nineteen

646
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Speaker 6: ninety eight and nine.

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Speaker 1: And like getting something.

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Speaker 6: So so you know, I started watching the show and

649
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Speaker 6: about halfway through it, I was like, Okay, I want

650
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Speaker 6: to read more stories about these characters that.

651
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Speaker 5: I love and I mean I love the show.

652
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Speaker 6: I know there's ups and downs and everything, but like

653
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Speaker 6: you kind of just want more of it, and so

654
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Speaker 6: it's like okay, I so I started seaking it out

655
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Speaker 6: and I got on and I mean back then there

656
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Speaker 6: was something called the Glee Form. It's now defunct, unfortunately,

657
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 6: but started there there was live journals. I don't know

658
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Speaker 6: if you guys know a live journal, yes, and.

659
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Speaker 5: Went to there and there was a really there are

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Speaker 5: all these little communities.

661
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Speaker 6: For all the characters, for all the ships, for all

662
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 6: of everything, and you just would like find your community

663
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 6: and then you would just start wrecking people would wreck stuff.

664
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 6: So you'd find your favorite authors. And then it was like, well,

665
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 6: you know, I can do this too, So I started

666
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 6: writing my own and you know, you kind of find

667
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 6: your little place in the community in the world.

668
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing. So you had written and read for

669
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: several TV series for yes ideas, why do you think it?

670
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: Because Mike qu like, what was it about? Maybe halfway

671
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: through the series that's sort of like, is it the

672
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: series now is not going how I wanted to go,

673
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: And maybe.

674
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 6: Like, let's put all the cards on the table. You know,

675
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 6: my favorite character's cart and then of course season four

676
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 6: happens and you're like, yeah, going on, like what are

677
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 6: the writers doing to all of these like just like

678
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 6: broke everybody up. So you're like, okay, how can you

679
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 6: like a some people want to fix it or be

680
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 6: like what is the mental? Like how did you get

681
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 6: from A to B? And so you just want to

682
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 6: start feeling in the blinks. And you know there's always

683
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 6: i mean season once, there's a ton of fan fiction,

684
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 6: and then in season four it just blew up to

685
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 6: everybody wanted to just fill in the blinks. And there's

686
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 6: all these characters and people are leaving and people are

687
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 6: coming in, and everybody's breaking up, and so it just

688
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 6: becomes this like mecca of creativity. Like me just start

689
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 6: wanting to like expand on and explore it and see

690
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 6: what the characters are thinking and you.

691
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 5: Know, why did this character do this thing?

692
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 6: And you just keep going And that's kind of what

693
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 6: got me into it, is like this the possibility of

694
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 6: creativity and seeing what I can do with the characters.

695
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you started writing when you were nine, Yeah,

696
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: what about it? Like were you always like interested in

697
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: writing at that point or was it more about the

698
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: world itself, and like creating, you know, the creativity aspect

699
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: of it, because you're still writing now. So I'm just

700
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: curious what's like, what was it when you started, and

701
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: then what's carried you through?

702
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 8: Oh?

703
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 6: Sure, I love storytelling. I write original book as well,

704
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 6: and I just love stories.

705
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 5: I mean, you know.

706
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 6: It's for me, like you know, I love books obviously,

707
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 6: I love reading books, but also I like having control

708
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 6: over the characters.

709
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 5: I love being able to, like you know.

710
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 6: Move them in the direction like dolls and direct and

711
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 6: put people in places that I want to put them

712
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 6: in and see them. And I just have always had

713
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 6: that kind of creative spirit and so you know, it

714
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 6: just translates into all of these other mediums and stuff

715
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 6: like that.

716
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: So amazing.

717
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: Wow, And what kind of original stories do you write?

718
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 5: Oh? Everything?

719
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 6: I mean I've been writing a fantasy series and it's

720
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 6: a reaction a little bit, like you read so much

721
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 6: and then you're like, oh, I want to see this

722
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 6: kind of thing in fiction. I want to see you know,

723
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 6: this kind of a character. I want to see you

724
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 6: know myself, or I want to see you know something

725
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 6: that I don't see in published fiction or even band fiction.

726
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 5: You know, and that's what that's why I write.

727
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: When you are, you know, in sort of these other communities.

728
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: Are those relationships now that like we learned today that

729
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: you have like a beta or somebody that can no.

730
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: I was curious, we've learned about betas, and are you

731
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: a beta for other people? Do you have betas or

732
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: are you more of an individual writer?

733
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 8: I do?

734
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 6: I really have like some people in my life that

735
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 6: will read my writing. I'm terrible at it. There's two

736
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 6: different there're two different skill sets to be able to

737
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 6: like write something down and then able to like look

738
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 6: at somebody's work and go, okay, normally does this common

739
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 6: here or there?

740
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 5: But also.

741
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 6: You know, you know what, I don't think that this

742
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 6: thematic thing is going with the way you want it

743
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 6: and stuff like that, and you know, taking yourself out

744
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 6: of it. So I have I work with a woman

745
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 6: who I've known for years now and she's in the

746
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 6: fandom as well, and she is my beta, and we

747
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 6: work on all sorts of things, like you know, anytime

748
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 6: I write something, her name is in near mind because

749
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 6: she's always helping me with this.

750
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 5: So it's again it's what.

751
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 6: That community aspect, we just cultivate all of these relationships

752
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 6: with each other and share it and prompt each other

753
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 6: and like, hey, maybe you want to try writing this,

754
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 6: or I know you're really good at writing this kind

755
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 6: of story and stuff like that.

756
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: So it's also amazing that it's there. Are you know,

757
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: all these people who are writing, like and reading and

758
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: doing all these wonderfully creative things where I think it's

759
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: so easy. If you're not on that side of the

760
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: internet and you don't know about it, then people that

761
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: doesn't exist to them, right, and you get caught up

762
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: and like, oh, social media is bad, all this internet stuff.

763
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: But like, what you guys are doing is incentivizing each

764
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 2: other to be creative, express these things, find those places

765
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: and the mediums that you haven't seen and want to fill,

766
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: which I think is so beautiful, and like building these

767
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: friendships based off of that.

768
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 6: It's and it's kind of a I mean, it's kind

769
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 6: of an interesting thing because yeah, we're doing it for

770
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 6: ourselves and each other. And every time I hear like,

771
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 6: you know, I'm going to share my stuff with Kevin

772
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 6: and Jenna, and I'm like, oh my gosh.

773
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 5: Why it's not for them? You know that I don't

774
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 5: want you guys to read it or be involved.

775
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 6: I think that's really cool that you guys want to

776
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 6: like understand and know more about it. But it's one

777
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 6: of those things where it's like, you know, this is

778
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 6: the stuff that we do and it isn't meant for

779
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 6: you guys. But I mean, I think it's amazing that

780
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 6: you guys are coming with an open mind and being like.

781
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 5: What is this, what's going on? What I have about it?

782
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 5: I think that is so cool.

783
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're huge consumers and fans and of other things,

784
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: and so we're just it's hard for us to kind

785
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: of take ourselves out of it, especially with any fanfic, right,

786
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: it's very hard to relate or understand it. And so

787
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: but as fans of other shows, I could totally understand

788
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: how I want more, I wish that happened this character.

789
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: So I totally get it. But it's it's like we

790
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: were explaining to some other people, Like it's kind of

791
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: hard becase is in the fan fiction, Like even if

792
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: it's Tina and Lartie and not Jenna and Kevin, you

793
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: still imagine yourself. You put yourself in that position, right,

794
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: you're imagining yourself in.

795
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 5: That writing it. I you know, I disassociate.

796
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 6: I don't you know, if I'm writing Tina or already,

797
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 6: I still think, Okay, how are Kevin and.

798
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 5: Jenna are going to hear?

799
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 6: Like?

800
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 5: How are they sound? In my head?

801
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: Because it's you guys.

802
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 5: I don't think of you guys. I know you guys

803
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 5: are separate people. I'm not right, But it's still the character.

804
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 6: Like the things and choices acting choices that you do

805
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 6: actually reflect on the fan fiction that I write because

806
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 6: I want to incorporate what you're doing on screen, and

807
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 6: I can't imagine that's got to be a weird disassociative

808
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 6: thing that happens, because totally like that is you, essentially

809
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 6: or you guys put so much into it yourself and

810
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 6: creating these characters to see them go in a direction

811
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 6: that they may not be what your head canon is.

812
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 5: That's got to be surreal.

813
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: But I think what you said is important though, because

814
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 2: you're creating these stories regardless of how you yeah for yourselves,

815
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: for the community, So like, within that context, you all

816
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: know because you're all doing it, what goes into making

817
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: it and sort of the dissociation that you're taking from

818
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: people in real life sort of. And so I do

819
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: think you know. I think it's I understand why you're

820
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: sort of protective of that community of like Jen and

821
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: Kevin don't need to read these things. Yeah, you guys

822
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: support each other. It's a full, like you know, ecosystem

823
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: within itself, and I think that's like it the more

824
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: and more I hear about it. One, I'm jealous that

825
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: I haven't been writing fanfic for years. Two is that

826
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: it's like a really beautiful, like culture and like healthy

827
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: culture on the internet. Totally that is not always easy

828
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: to find.

829
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 5: Totally it is well, I mean google it, you can.

830
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 5: You can find anything by Google.

831
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 6: But I think it's you know, I I've been talking

832
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 6: to people about it, and there's so many reasons why

833
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 6: it's not just okay, I mean, yeah, part of it

834
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 6: can be Oh, I want to see my two favorite

835
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 6: hot characters make out.

836
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a real thing.

837
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 6: But you know, I've known people who've explored their own

838
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,959
Speaker 6: sexualities through their writing. I know people who like read

839
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 6: stuff and they're like, you know what that this reflects

840
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 6: to me? And just like are in published form, fanfic

841
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 6: does the same thing. But it is already a built world,

842
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 6: like it takes out when you're writing something you know original.

843
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 6: You have to build the world here. You can take

844
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 6: characters that you're already familiar with and work with them

845
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 6: and then find exactly this is.

846
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 5: The good stuff.

847
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 6: But yeah, and it's on it well that is joking aside,

848
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 6: you know that it's on edited and not in a

849
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 6: like literary way, but like we're not constrained to network

850
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 6: notes or editors telling us that you can't publish this,

851
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 6: or that we can write whatever we want and it

852
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 6: can mat or anything.

853
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 5: But it's open and limitless.

854
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: Really good point. Good point.

855
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: Do you still have shows that you watch currently that

856
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: you write fan fix for?

857
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 5: I don't.

858
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 6: I've been really really busy with my job and stuff

859
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 6: like that. So I mean, I do you still to

860
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 6: write some Glee stuff? But I like, there's a lot

861
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 6: of things I love, but I haven't really gotten kind

862
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 6: as much into it as like, you know, it's time consuming,

863
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 6: it is, you can you know, when I was in

864
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 6: my twenties, sure I had a lot more time.

865
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 5: But now that I'm in my forties, I have to

866
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 5: like actually to my.

867
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: Adult live, like real life you know, adult life responsibilities.

868
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: Right now, I want to know all your like book recommendations,

869
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, I gotta yeah, let me find books though

870
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: I have too many. Going to the bookstore is my

871
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: favorite thing in the world.

872
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean I have eight bookcases. If you're

873
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 6: any recommendations, you guys, just let me know.

874
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

875
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: Thanks you well, Pamela, thank you so much for sharing

876
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: all about fan fa and for you know, your contributions,

877
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: and it's just really nice to meet you and chat

878
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: with you.

879
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 5: Oh it's been I can't believe. It's like a dream.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, and thanks for what you do keep

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Speaker 2: the world reading important. It's great, it is.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much by Yeah, I'm coming out smarter, more

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Speaker 1: well just versed fan fiction, but I am. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to our friends Pamela, Bree Allison who

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Speaker 1: came and shared with us their experience with man fiction.

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Speaker 1: It's it's actually a really cool community and at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, people are just looking for connection,

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Speaker 1: whether that's in their own world or with other people.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: I think it's wonderful. I also love even with the

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Speaker 2: three of them, I'll have three different relationships to fan

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Speaker 2: fiction and what they like, what they write about their experiences,

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Speaker 2: and thank you so much to the three of you

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Speaker 2: for joining us today and for opening up and sharing

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Speaker 2: this part of yourselves with us and with all the listeners.

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Speaker 2: I hope you all enjoyed that. I know loved that.

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Speaker 1: Very cool, very very cool.

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Speaker 2: Do I go and look for things, Jenna.

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Speaker 1: That's up to you, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I could do a light skin.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a light scan. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know there's like chapters and not like actual like journeys.

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Speaker 1: I just thought it was kind of like live journal.

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Speaker 1: You don't mean in the beginning when it's like you

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Speaker 1: you post a one off kind of thing. But I

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Speaker 1: am just I'm so it's so intricate and complex and fun. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: good luck on your search, Kevin. And that's what you

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Speaker 2: See ya.

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