Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jettie and he Armstrong and Eddy.
Speaker 3: The way I look at artificial intelligence, it's both like
Speaker 3: it can be a threat for sure, and it can
Speaker 3: be a massive opportunity. What I don't understand is when
Speaker 3: I walk around this city or you talk to lawmakers, why.
Speaker 4: People aren't obsessed with this.
Speaker 3: It is going to reorder society over the next decade,
Speaker 3: and almost any person who studied it at any level
Speaker 3: has come to that exact same conclusion. I sometimes joke
Speaker 3: to Mikey and others that I feel like I'm living
Speaker 3: in a simulation where you see so clearly where the
Speaker 3: world's going over the next five years, and yet Washington
Speaker 3: pays very little attention to it.
Speaker 5: Jim Vanda High is getting a lot of attention for
Speaker 5: a PC he wrote for Axios about a there's a
Speaker 5: big one in The New Yorker also in which they
Speaker 5: have two AI experts, one arguing it's going to change
Speaker 5: society more than anything ever has and very soon, and
Speaker 5: another expert arguing that now it's way, way, way over
Speaker 5: blown and any of the effects are years off, which
Speaker 5: I hope that that guy's right, although I tend to
Speaker 5: think the other guy's right, that it's happening sooner and
Speaker 5: gonna be a big deal.
Speaker 1: I've been reading James vander Heys piece in which, among
Speaker 1: other things, he interviews Dario am a day. Is that
Speaker 1: how you're protesting? He's the CEO of Anthropic, one of
Speaker 1: the most powerful AI companies in the world, And it
Speaker 1: occurred to me the perfect metaphor. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I see the world in metaphors. I do, but it's
Speaker 1: as if.
Speaker 5: Doctor Franklin, You're still seeing the world in metaphors, is
Speaker 5: like an ox needing something. It's like if doctor Frankenstein
Speaker 5: was designing his monster, but it was going to be
Speaker 5: like fifty feet tall. But doctor Frankenstein was perfectly sane
Speaker 5: and was saying, now, reanimating a corpse is going to
Speaker 5: be an incredible scientific breakthrough, but it could rampage down
Speaker 5: to and through the village and kill many, many people,
Speaker 5: and we're really not sure which. So Igor, if you
Speaker 5: would fire up the lightning positron, please let's get this
Speaker 5: started anyway, Thank you, dear More with Jim Vanda high.
Speaker 3: Just pay attention, get way more familiar with this technology.
Speaker 3: If you are about to be a graduate, figure out.
Speaker 4: Are you in the right field. If you are in
Speaker 4: the right field.
Speaker 3: How would you utilize this technology for it to be
Speaker 3: a force multiplier of the work that you do. How
Speaker 3: can you help it ten x, two x, whatever the
Speaker 3: number is your productivity, so that you can do but
Speaker 3: really creative interesting things. And I think if society prepares
Speaker 3: for it, if the company's for it, it doesn't have.
Speaker 4: To be a massive upheaval.
Speaker 5: Again, I hope he's right. I just I just don't know.
Speaker 5: It's it's not It's not like, you know, except the
Speaker 5: fact that the car is coming. Learn how to fix
Speaker 5: a car because nobody's gonna need horseshoes anymore, right me?
Speaker 5: You know, made sense, makes sense. I'm not sure if
Speaker 5: it works the way the you know, the the people
Speaker 5: on the extreme end of all the jobs AI can take,
Speaker 5: If they're right, there are gonna be so many millions
Speaker 5: of people out of work. There's there's no like, well,
Speaker 5: I guess for your young pick a career that AI
Speaker 5: can enhance. But well, here's a be a lot of
Speaker 5: guessing involved in that. Let me set the table a
Speaker 5: little bit, then we can discuss. So, mister m Day
Speaker 5: and again, forgive me if I'm mispronouncing it. The CEO
Speaker 5: of Anthropic, talking to Jim Vanda Hay, has a blunt,
Speaker 5: scary warning for the US government and all of US.
Speaker 5: AI could wipe out half of all entry level white
Speaker 5: collar jobs and spike on themloyment ten to twenty percent
Speaker 5: in the next one to five years. Five percent of
Speaker 5: jobs wiped out. Interesting noways you said.
Speaker 1: Half ten half of all entry level white collar jobs
Speaker 1: and ten to twenty percent unemployment in general in the
Speaker 1: next one to five years. And Day said, AI. Companies
Speaker 1: and government need to stop sugarcoating what's coming. This is
Speaker 1: doctor Frankenstein standing there I'm picturing on the drawbridge of
Speaker 1: his moat saying to the villagers with the pitchforks and
Speaker 1: the torches breaks, guys, you gotta be ready in case
Speaker 1: the monster goes on a rampage.
Speaker 5: Well, the first clip we played from Jim Vanahei makes
Speaker 5: the most well, it's not hard to explain, makes the
Speaker 5: most sense to me. How is this such a giant
Speaker 5: topic everywhere but in Washington, d C. I wonder if
Speaker 5: it has anything to do with the average person in
Speaker 5: any leadership position.
Speaker 2: Being eighty years old.
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 1: And also there are so many unknowns it's difficult to
Speaker 1: know what to do legislatively, particularly if, for instance, I
Speaker 1: don't know your legislature is utterly cowardly and afraid of
Speaker 1: doing anything lest they do the wrong thing, so they
Speaker 1: just let the executive branch do everything. But let me
Speaker 1: finish the thought. Emday said AI. Companies and government need
Speaker 1: to stop sugarcoating what's coming. I'm sorry, what's coming the
Speaker 1: possible mass elimination of jobs across technology, finance, law, consulting,
Speaker 1: and other white collar professions, especially entry level gigs. I
Speaker 1: got a kid who just kicked buttoner first year of
Speaker 1: law school. I'm very proud of her. But we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a serious talk, and practical part of me doesn't
Speaker 1: want to say this on the air because I want
Speaker 1: as few people to come to this realization as possible.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a serious talk about there's a very
Speaker 1: good chance you're either going to be the person eliminated
Speaker 1: by AI or you're going to be the person who's
Speaker 1: become so adept at using it. You're the one out
Speaker 1: of a that is kept on to get good at
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what bend Hi was saying. Accept the fact
Speaker 5: that it's going to be here, and figure out a
Speaker 5: way to.
Speaker 2: Use AI. So you're one of the people that can
Speaker 2: continue to make a living.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, amide says he's speaking out in hopes of
Speaker 1: jarring government and fellow AI companies into preparing and protecting
Speaker 1: the nation. Hardly anyone is paying attention. Lawmakers don't get
Speaker 1: it or don't believe it. CEOs are afraid to talk
Speaker 1: about it. Many workers won't realize the risks posed by
Speaker 1: the possible job apocalypse until after it hits. And by
Speaker 1: the way, if you're a new Ish listener to the show,
Speaker 1: thank you for being here. First of all. Secondly, we're
Speaker 1: not clickbait hyperbole. We try very hard to stay away
Speaker 1: from trying to scare you all the time or making
Speaker 1: you angry all the time. There are plenty of reasons
Speaker 1: to be scared and or angry. We just try not
Speaker 1: to go over the top. I don't think it's hyperbole
Speaker 1: at all. To you know, have the weight on the
Speaker 1: balls of your feet and your feet at shoulder position,
Speaker 1: leaning forward at the waist, getting ready for this could
Speaker 1: be very, very disruptive.
Speaker 5: Well, I've read several of the long leading books on
Speaker 5: the topic, Life three point zero by Max Tegmark, which
Speaker 5: is fantastic, and then a newer one from Nick Bostrom,
Speaker 5: who wrote an AI book that got tons of attention
Speaker 5: several years ago. But this Deep Utopia book, which he
Speaker 5: gets really into. If it does what some people claim
Speaker 5: it's going to do, what the hell is mankind going
Speaker 5: to do? What is society going to be? How is humanity?
Speaker 5: Even even if you come up with a way for
Speaker 5: people to have food and shelter, what do human beings
Speaker 5: become if they have they don't have to work. It's
Speaker 5: an experiment that's never been run before really, other than
Speaker 5: like the super rich.
Speaker 2: And you see how they often end up up.
Speaker 1: Give us the ten second version of your working on
Speaker 1: the song yesterday after this commercial or right now, no,
Speaker 1: right right now? Okay, So I'm ordering you to do anything,
Speaker 1: but I think it would fit in well, and then
Speaker 1: coming up after the commercial jack reference the hey don't worry,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay argument.
Speaker 5: So I was working on this song yesterday, I'd come
Speaker 5: up with these lyrics in my head, and then I
Speaker 5: picked out a key I could sing in, some chord
Speaker 5: structure and stuff like that. The working title is Jo's
Speaker 5: an a Hole. But it's very tuneful, very nice.
Speaker 2: I'd like to hear that song. But I thought, you know,
Speaker 2: I need a bridge for this song.
Speaker 5: And I almost feel guilty for even having done this,
Speaker 5: but I thought it'd be kind of fun to see
Speaker 5: what it did. I went to chat GBT and I said,
Speaker 5: what's a good bridge for like a country style song?
Speaker 5: And it presented me like with five different options immediately,
Speaker 5: by the way of if you want something that's kind
Speaker 5: of uplifting, go with this. If you want something that
Speaker 5: is good for setting up a more poignant ending, go
Speaker 5: with this. And it just gave me the chords in
Speaker 5: that give you all the chord structures for doing it.
Speaker 5: This is the most popular currently in like country pop,
Speaker 5: and it was. I mean, you wouldn't even know, you
Speaker 5: didn't know anything about.
Speaker 1: Music to craft a song that way, So instead of
Speaker 1: experimenting and struggling and listening to it and trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how do I get back to the verse
Speaker 1: chords and that's a little uncomfortable, And then finally, after
Speaker 1: you know, minutes or hours of effort coming up with
Speaker 1: something you're proud of. No, the computer just told you
Speaker 1: what to do. How does that change songwriting? I've got
Speaker 1: to admit I heard that and thought, wow, that's cool tool.
Speaker 1: But I also thought, what the hell's the point? Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I felt like too. I haven't used
Speaker 5: one of them because I thought, do I want that?
Speaker 5: Do I want it to not be something? I came
Speaker 5: up with?
Speaker 4: What am I doing here?
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 5: Why don't I just go to the end write a
Speaker 5: song about this topic and then okay, now produce it?
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'll listen to it. Well, that was fun.
Speaker 2: What am I doing coming up?
Speaker 1: It'll be fine? Argument, so stay tuned for that afterward
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Speaker 5: So we'll have to get to the optimistic side of
Speaker 5: the AI thing next. But I just on the music thing,
Speaker 5: as you mentioned it.
Speaker 2: Is what is the point art wise?
Speaker 5: Certainly, Hemingway famously said a writer writes for himself and others.
Speaker 5: I mean, but you're doing it a lot for yourself.
Speaker 5: And the reason I sat down to craft a song yesterday,
Speaker 5: which I hadn't done in a long time, is I
Speaker 5: was in emotional turmoil about a certain thing, and all
Speaker 5: these thoughts were in my head and I just was
Speaker 5: compelled to write a song about it. Well, if I
Speaker 5: have AI do it, doesn't that negate the whole artistic
Speaker 5: you know, getting your feelings out of you onto paper
Speaker 5: or music or painting or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, right, to summarize again, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 5: So if I was gonna have them write the bridge,
Speaker 5: well write the whole damn thing, write the lyrics, produce it,
Speaker 5: you know, tell me in five minutes what to listen to.
Speaker 1: And I'll listen to it in a five seconds.
Speaker 2: Five seconds.
Speaker 5: Then I'll listen to it and think, well, now I
Speaker 5: feel like I've expunged my demons.
Speaker 2: I'll get to go about my life.
Speaker 1: What well?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: And so the great conundrum is, okay AI is going
Speaker 1: to free us all up to become poets and songwriters,
Speaker 1: which the AI.
Speaker 5: Will do so right, excellent point. And then there's also
Speaker 5: the what if it's way better than what I would
Speaker 5: have come up with, which it probably would be.
Speaker 1: I'd say that's the material.
Speaker 2: To me, Oh it is, but who wants that?
Speaker 1: It's very discouraging to worry about it. The the positive
Speaker 1: optimistic argument is coming up in moments Stay with us, friends.
Speaker 5: We're talking about AI, both Axios and The New Yorker.
Speaker 5: I now big pieces on the is this going to
Speaker 5: change in the world? Is in ways we can't even imagine?
Speaker 5: Maybe for the worse or is it not going to
Speaker 5: be that big a deal? I certainly don't know which
Speaker 5: I'm hoping for the latter.
Speaker 1: Actually, well, and the guys who are designing all this
Speaker 1: stuff don't know either, which is no Harry back to
Speaker 1: my doctor Frankenstein metaphor. But I will say that the
Speaker 1: admitting the monster might rampage through the village and kill everybody,
Speaker 1: it's impossible that well, it's not impossible.
Speaker 5: But obviously Google elon. All kinds of people think it's
Speaker 5: going to be a big deal.
Speaker 2: Bill Gates.
Speaker 5: They're spending hundreds of millions of dollars billions of dollars
Speaker 5: this because they think it's going to be that big
Speaker 5: a deal.
Speaker 1: Rich Lowry in the National Review has expressed the counter
Speaker 1: argument that many of you find folks have expressed through
Speaker 1: the years and certainly worth considering. Rich writes, chat GPT
Speaker 1: is coming for your job. That's the fear about the
Speaker 1: rapid advances in intelligent artificial intelligence. They mentioned the headline
Speaker 1: Naxios who warned of a white color bloodbath. CEO of
Speaker 1: Anthropic we've been quoting in the last segment told the
Speaker 1: publication AI could destroy up to half, well destroy half
Speaker 1: of all entry level white collar jobs in the next
Speaker 1: one to five years. That's like right around the corner,
Speaker 1: and drive the employment rate up to ten to twenty percent,
Speaker 1: or roughly great depression levels. This sounds dire, but we've
Speaker 1: been here before. In the thirties, John Maynard Keynes thought
Speaker 1: that labor saving devices will quote out running the pace
Speaker 1: at which we can find new uses for labor. And
Speaker 1: let's thought the same thing in the sixties when John F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy warned that quote, the automation problem is as important
Speaker 1: as any we face, and in our era too. If
Speaker 1: a prediction has been consistently wrong, it doesn't necessarily mean
Speaker 1: that it will forever be wrong. Still, we shouldn't have
Speaker 1: much confidence in the same alarmism repeated for the same reasons.
Speaker 1: That gives a few examples to push back.
Speaker 5: A lot of people have and I hope it's absolutely
Speaker 5: holds true for AI. It has been true in the past,
Speaker 5: but God AI could reach into so many different areas
Speaker 5: of life at the same time.
Speaker 2: A little murder.
Speaker 1: Rich's argument, and then perhaps we'll counter it. If technological
Speaker 1: advance was really a net killer of jobs, the labor
Speaker 1: market should have been in decline since the invention of
Speaker 1: the wheel. Instead, we live in a time of technological marvels,
Speaker 1: and the unemployment rate is four point two percent. Rob
Speaker 1: At Consent of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation points
Speaker 1: out that the average unemployment rate in the US has
Speaker 1: not changed much over the last century, despite an increase
Speaker 1: in productivity by almost ten times. Technology increases productivity, driving
Speaker 1: down costs and making it possible to invest and spend
Speaker 1: on other things, creating new jobs that replace the old.
Speaker 1: This is the process of society becoming wealthier, and it's
Speaker 1: why nations that innovate are better off than those who don't.
Speaker 1: Good powerful argument. The rise of personal computers collapsed the
Speaker 1: demand for typists and word processors. These positions were often
Speaker 1: held by women. Did this decimate the economic prospects of
Speaker 1: women in America? No, they got different and frequently better jobs.
Speaker 1: It goes into some bookkeeping and accounting parallels. It's a
Speaker 1: good solid argument. The only thing I would throw it
Speaker 1: rich is and we've seen this in a lot of
Speaker 1: different aspects of the modern age. There are two questions,
Speaker 1: two challenges, the amount of change and the pace of change. Right,
Speaker 1: And it could be that this, given the rapidity with twitch,
Speaker 1: it'll drown us all or beat us to that like
Speaker 1: Frankenstein's monster in my metaphor, It's gonna be so fast
Speaker 1: and so huge, the jarring adjustment period is going to
Speaker 1: be very ugly and volatile.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're pretty We're being pretty loose and fast with
Speaker 5: the term AI. Also, it's all about a gi artificial
Speaker 5: general intelligence, whether that happens or not. And I've read
Speaker 5: enough of these books to know there are people that
Speaker 5: think it will never happen. There are people that think
Speaker 5: we're twenty years away. There are people that think we're
Speaker 5: five years away. But if artificial general intelligence happens, where
Speaker 5: computers are as smart as human beings, smarter than human beings,
Speaker 5: can learn everything instantly, then it's impossible anything that you
Speaker 5: come up with that human beings can do, that are
Speaker 5: that come off of the technological technological advancement, can also.
Speaker 2: Be done by artificial and general intelligence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's too much for a person like me to
Speaker 1: even contemplate. I can't. I'm stuck in the halfway between
Speaker 1: period where you know or eighty percent of lawyers will
Speaker 1: be replaced by a nap. That's going to be dislocating
Speaker 1: enough your thing. Please, I don't even want to think.
Speaker 5: About agi happens. I can't imagine how that doesn't do
Speaker 5: them society.
Speaker 2: But anyway, who knows.
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty. So hey, before we get started, you
Speaker 1: ought to talk about what we were just talking about
Speaker 1: off the air. On the air, to whatever extent you can,
Speaker 1: you're good at that. I just at some point the
Speaker 1: theme being people are way crazier than you are told
Speaker 1: as a kid. As a kid, you think, you know,
Speaker 1: grown ups have it more or less buttoned up, and
Speaker 1: they can at least perceive reality.
Speaker 5: A lot of people cannot. They live in a world
Speaker 5: of delusion. Especially. I never thought when I was younger
Speaker 5: that rich, smart people could be this dumb.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, well, too good? You have a particular skill
Speaker 1: set that makes you a lot of money. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you have generalized intelligence or wisdom, and its correct you.
Speaker 2: I will tell that story, uh in a little bit.
Speaker 5: But first, executive producer Mike Hanson, who rarely comes on
Speaker 5: the air, why are you here?
Speaker 2: Hanson? I was inspired really by our AI conversation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you guys are talking about trying to
Speaker 6: form up a song, and I see I've been picking
Speaker 6: up my guitar more lately as well. I don't really
Speaker 6: concern myself with a lot of you know, song structure
Speaker 6: in the bridge and I just kind of fiddle around.
Speaker 2: But I bang around. I make a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of noise. But I was inspired.
Speaker 6: So I turned my AI tool, thinking I should craft
Speaker 6: a tune this morning. Uh So I quickly jotted down
Speaker 6: some lyrics and I wrote all the lyrics on this.
Speaker 6: I didn't ask you to help me. I wrote them
Speaker 6: in about twenty twenty seconds.
Speaker 1: Way to put in the time.
Speaker 6: Well, and a lot of great songs inspired. I was inspired.
Speaker 6: I mean, come on, don't tell me about my art.
Speaker 4: This was my art.
Speaker 2: So way he came up with a song.
Speaker 7: He gets up every morning, he's dedicated to his craft,
Speaker 7: his hall mark, his fairness, and everyone loves to hear him.
Speaker 5: Leader.
Speaker 7: He's a master of metaphorm and a one of hurd smith.
Speaker 2: Tell me why not.
Speaker 1: He's got kind of a but don't ask him.
Speaker 7: To work to harm cause of leisure.
Speaker 2: He's the king.
Speaker 4: Jokey Joe Gay, that was awesome.
Speaker 2: This is my kind of music, dud Joe Getty, phone
Speaker 2: up with the light on you god swaying back and forth.
Speaker 5: This is the sort of song that was on he
Speaker 5: Haw or the Glenn Campbell Show every Saturday night when
Speaker 5: I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Or if you're an alt country nineties guy like me,
Speaker 1: it was just revd up a little bit and the
Speaker 1: electric guitars and yeah, I love that music because of leisure.
Speaker 1: The King. I am a man who craves leisure. Yes,
Speaker 1: as I've made clear through the years.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. The fact that you can do that
Speaker 2: and like, how long did it take you total? I'm
Speaker 2: telling you it was twenty seconds.
Speaker 1: That is amazing, amusing and horrifying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there are people that used to make six figure
Speaker 5: salaries back when that really meant something doing that for
Speaker 5: radio shows back in the day.
Speaker 1: Oh never mind, the just doing that right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I gotta put together at Rush.
Speaker 1: Limbaugh, you know, the famous song parodies and stuff everybody enjoyed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, And as I got to.
Speaker 6: Put together a Jack song now too, I've got some ideas.
Speaker 6: Something comes to the top of your mind right now,
Speaker 6: just to spit it out, and I'll try to incorporate
Speaker 6: that into my belligerents.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can, maybe we can take suggestions from listening.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 5: Let's open the text line. In fact, let's take live calls. Okay,
Speaker 5: So you work on that and we'll get to that
Speaker 5: maybe an hour or four. So back to my story.
Speaker 5: I was looking at the Twitter feed and the TV
Speaker 5: and everything like that, and I expressed to Joe during
Speaker 5: the commercial break, I don't quite get the hatred for
Speaker 5: Elon Musk at you looking at a friend of ours
Speaker 5: and his tweet.
Speaker 2: I don't get the hatred for Elon Musk.
Speaker 5: I can fully understand, like if you think Doge didn't
Speaker 5: do enough, or you thought these cuts were.
Speaker 2: Wrong or whatever it is.
Speaker 5: But I don't get the like, you know, deep hatred
Speaker 5: for him or whatever. But I do know a couple
Speaker 5: that's leaving the country, the whole family there are children involved.
Speaker 5: They're leaving the country because they don't want to live
Speaker 5: in Trump and Elon's America.
Speaker 2: And what.
Speaker 5: The straw that broke the camel's back was Elon's Nazi
Speaker 5: salute when at that convention or whatever he did, whatever
Speaker 5: he said.
Speaker 1: When the autistic fellow waved at the crowd and his
Speaker 1: arm was out like that for a fraction of a second.
Speaker 1: Yes that they they have believed and internalized that that
Speaker 1: was an actual Nazi salute, and Nazism is coming to
Speaker 1: America Idazi.
Speaker 5: I didn't have the first hand conversation with him, but
Speaker 5: I've talked to the person that did, and yes, they
Speaker 5: can't believe that. You don't realize that was obviously a
Speaker 5: Nazi salute.
Speaker 1: To me, dot I would like to hear more. And therefore,
Speaker 1: Crystal Knoch is coming. It's the left that's abusing Jews.
Speaker 1: But anyway, back to you.
Speaker 5: Right, I think that's so dumb. I can't even it's
Speaker 5: hard to even engage in conversation. This is a very
Speaker 5: wealthy couple, by the way, incredibly successful, both of them,
Speaker 5: like really successful, and I don't what.
Speaker 4: Do you do with that? How could you possibly think that.
Speaker 1: I would like to spend the rest of my life
Speaker 1: studying in between long periods of leisure, obviously, but studying
Speaker 1: the relationship and lack of relationship between intelligence, skill at
Speaker 1: a particular skill set, and the concept of wisdom, because
Speaker 1: they can be completely unrelated. I mean, we have all known.
Speaker 1: I mean the classic exam, I guess would be the brilliant,
Speaker 1: brilliant musician who is just unspeakably talented.
Speaker 2: But these people are.
Speaker 1: Replaced by AI but cannot manage their life at all
Speaker 1: and dies a drug addiction and is miserable.
Speaker 5: And I understand anybody in the world of arn't more
Speaker 5: being that way as a musician or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's so different.
Speaker 5: But these are like business people, one scientist adjacent, the
Speaker 5: other one just flat out business person, like, like.
Speaker 2: So successful, and I just I can't.
Speaker 5: So you think Elon is secretly a Nazi and slipped,
Speaker 5: or you think that was the signal to start something,
Speaker 5: or I can't even imagine what the what the scenario
Speaker 5: would be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I find this so interesting.
Speaker 2: And you would pick up your family and move across
Speaker 2: the ocean.
Speaker 4: Because of it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, nuts.
Speaker 4: You're nuts.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, you told me where they're going
Speaker 1: and it's a pleasant place. Yeah, yeah, that's again. I
Speaker 1: have a million comments. I just I'm so blown away.
Speaker 1: And it takes money to indulge that sort of media.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's part of it, because Joe Schmoe, you know,
Speaker 1: struggling to get by and his wife and two little
Speaker 1: kids might want desperately to go to Uruguay, for instance,
Speaker 1: where I've been convinced if I ever go somewhere, that's
Speaker 1: where I'm going. You're sure, No, I'm half, I'm like
Speaker 1: sixty percent sure. But I was hearing about how interesting
Speaker 1: a country that is in a little more American terms
Speaker 1: of freedom and that sort of thing than sometimes America.
Speaker 1: But you can only indulge that impulse if you've got
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of money or you're willing
Speaker 1: to live extremely modestly. So anyway, that's why celebrities are
Speaker 1: always doing it or talking about doing it, because they can. Well.
Speaker 5: In this family, I assume is surrounded by people that
Speaker 5: say I understand, or that's a good idea, or we're
Speaker 5: going to do.
Speaker 2: That too, which is so crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am so fascinating by the idea of getting
Speaker 1: in of understanding how other people's psyches work, which you know,
Speaker 1: you never can fully But the sort of person who
Speaker 1: processes all of the inputs of life, everything they see,
Speaker 1: they hear, they perceive through an emotional lens, and then
Speaker 1: they structure it quote unquote logically to make it sound
Speaker 1: like it makes sense. But it's all emotionalism, and you
Speaker 1: can't talk them away. It's like the classic example is
Speaker 1: I don't care what you say. That's what I believe
Speaker 1: you're stating. Wait a minute, I have presented rock solid,
Speaker 1: irrefutable evidence to your conclusion being wrong, but you are
Speaker 1: shouting at me that you have no interest in it.
Speaker 1: That sort of person's psyche operates way differently than mine,
Speaker 1: for instance, and I think my way is better, but
Speaker 1: they probably think exactly the same thing. I just don't
Speaker 1: want them in charge of anything. So I've said a
Speaker 1: million times I love songwriters and poets and dreamers. We
Speaker 1: would be lost without them. I don't want them in charge.
Speaker 5: I was wondering the other day if anybody has recently
Speaker 5: set the record for doing backflips while on fire. Good
Speaker 5: news on that front, and maybe that song about me
Speaker 5: an hour four or soon?
Speaker 1: And what else? Plus coming up, let's meet some of
Speaker 1: the young Columbia Radicals. You're in court the other day.
Speaker 5: Oh boy, I have a guess.
Speaker 2: I was freezing.
Speaker 8: I am wearing a couple of layers that are soaked
Speaker 8: in a jail. I'm putt in a fridge for twenty
Speaker 8: four hours, so it helped protect me from the fire
Speaker 8: that I'm on fire. So we're seven seconds in. I've
Speaker 8: done two backflips, so I'm on good trot to beat
Speaker 8: the previous record, and I need to move quickly. The
Speaker 8: oxygen's burning up around me. If I don't keep moving,
Speaker 8: I could find it very difficult to breathe on find
Speaker 8: the heat a bit too overwhelming. There are parts that
Speaker 8: are actually falling off what I'm wearing on burning. My
Speaker 8: successful record title was seven bock flips in thirty seconds
Speaker 8: while engaging in a full body burn. It's incredible what
Speaker 8: humans can achieve.
Speaker 5: All right, So there's a British man who has set
Speaker 5: the new record for doing backflips while on fire.
Speaker 1: Sounded irish to me, but back to you, all right,
Speaker 1: another backflipping on fire news.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, there isn't any Well.
Speaker 5: What's the record for doing backflips while on fire? If
Speaker 5: you're if you have red hair, so I don't know
Speaker 5: if you follow this.
Speaker 1: A group of Kafia clad students to send it on
Speaker 1: Manhattan Criminal Court on Wednesday to face formal arrangement arraignment
Speaker 1: for their roles in the violent takeover of Columbia Universe
Speaker 1: these Butler Library. You remember the video at the time,
Speaker 1: the damage, the injuries, the they're demanding that the charges
Speaker 1: be dismissed because they're peace activists and they set up
Speaker 1: a mere teaching in the library. You may also recall
Speaker 1: that they the mob injured to security officials, damaged bookshelves,
Speaker 1: distributed pamphlets praising Hamas, and renamed the library after a terrorist.
Speaker 1: They were led by the Columbia University Apartheid divest a
Speaker 1: notorious anti Semitic group. It wants the Ivy League school
Speaker 1: to cut all ties with Israel in chance. We want
Speaker 1: investment devestment now, among other things like globalize the Intafada,
Speaker 1: which means killed Jews wherever you find them. So who
Speaker 1: are these global cream of the cream of the crop
Speaker 1: of American youth yesterday?
Speaker 5: Globalized the Intafada is exactly what that guy chanted after
Speaker 5: he killed those two nice people who worked at the embassy.
Speaker 1: Including one of whom was a Christian. Yes, yes, globalized
Speaker 1: the Intafada. Indeed, So who are these brave, angry revolutionaries
Speaker 1: rising up from the gutter to challenge the man jack.
Speaker 1: Let's meet some of them, like Emma Biswus, who grew
Speaker 1: up in a life of luxury. She led the robotics
Speaker 1: team at the Harker School, which bills itself as one
Speaker 1: of the nation's top college prep schools and tuition can
Speaker 1: reach sixty five thousand dollars a year. Wow, that's right
Speaker 1: for a high school. While there, she interned with a
Speaker 1: biotech company that boasts prospective Nobel Prize winners work here,
Speaker 1: and until she left for Tony Barnard College, Biswus lived
Speaker 1: in the San Francisco Bay area in a mansion.
Speaker 5: Worth six million dollars. Moving along, That's amazing how often
Speaker 5: that's the case.
Speaker 1: Interestingly, her dad is with a tech company that does
Speaker 1: a lot of defense work, including with Israel. But let's
Speaker 1: not get hung up on that.
Speaker 5: The rich kids that don't have a purpose because everything
Speaker 5: has been handed to them, they need to achieve something.
Speaker 5: Falling gave it away, fall into these ideologies so easy.
Speaker 1: But miss Biswuss was just one of eight Barnard and
Speaker 1: Columbia students who attended swanking, prestigious private schools and were
Speaker 1: charged with criminal trespassing, among other things. Although there was
Speaker 1: Barnard's student Luna Firefly Deerfield cumming Shaw.
Speaker 2: How many names is enough?
Speaker 1: Sweetheart? Wow? Luna Firefly Deerfield cumming Shaw the granddaughter of
Speaker 1: Mark Shaw, who describes himself as John F. Kennedy's unofficial
Speaker 1: family photographer, stabbed, snapped many many celebrities, and her grandmother
Speaker 1: is an actress best known for a role in Some
Speaker 1: Show Anyway. Cumming Shaw attended the Putney School in Vermont,
Speaker 1: which charges day students fifty thousand dollars a year and
Speaker 1: boarding students over eighty thousand. Despite the price, it advertises
Speaker 1: itself as a progressive school that considers the inclusivity a
Speaker 1: fundamental principle of the school, its sports two committees dedicated
Speaker 1: to the cause, allowing it to remain in the forefront
Speaker 1: of the drive for racial justice. Her mother is a
Speaker 1: long time left wing activists Bernard Alum and Bernie Sanders supporter.
Speaker 1: Before Marisol Rojas Cheetham was arrested, The Columbia pre law
Speaker 1: student grow up in a Berkeley California home value to
Speaker 1: two million dollars, which, honestly, in Berkeley, isn't that fancy
Speaker 1: and attended the Bentley School, where tuition reaches nearly sixty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year according to your LinkedIn page. Rojas
Speaker 1: Cheetham was the captain of the varsity women's soccer team,
Speaker 1: played lacrosse, president of the student government, to name a
Speaker 1: few of her extra curriculars on Bentley's sprawling twelve acre
Speaker 1: upper school campus.
Speaker 5: To Patty Hurst, if you're old enough to remember, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: There is something to that.
Speaker 5: The whole your life has been you know, the pathway
Speaker 5: has been paid for you.
Speaker 2: It's going to be too easy.
Speaker 5: You've got no feeling of accomplishment or making a difference
Speaker 5: in the world, because you know, you could go to
Speaker 5: the fancy school and then immediately show up at a
Speaker 5: job making a lot of money. It was handed to you,
Speaker 5: and you just don't feel like you've done any thing,
Speaker 5: so you fall for these ideologies. I think there's got
Speaker 5: to be something to do. Ohsama, bin Laden was that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, A couple more, just to make the point.
Speaker 1: Columbia grad student Ava ambrose Ta Muscula e Garcia seventy
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars boarding school or parents. Both professors at
Speaker 1: the University of Notre Dame accomplished in their fields as
Speaker 1: a novelist and an artist. Sophia Elizabeth Jones spent eleven
Speaker 1: years living overseas at the American Community School in ab Dabi.
Speaker 1: Honors student identifies as American with Indonesian and Canadian roots
Speaker 1: to Barnard's Class twenty twenty seven, writes frequently about the
Speaker 1: Palestinian issues for a Columbia student website. Then you got
Speaker 1: Barnard student Dima Abat cozm honored guest at Mayor Eric
Speaker 1: Adams Abate Hate Summit last July, a graduate of the
Speaker 1: prestigious McDuffie School in Massachusetts, where annual boarding tuition exceeds
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars, another multimillion dollar mansion. All of
Speaker 1: these very rich young women, yeah, and completely radicalized.
Speaker 5: The percentage of these angry cafia wearing hate spewing nut
Speaker 5: jobs who are wealthy women, young women is astounding.
Speaker 1: They have no purpose in their life.
Speaker 5: Well, and I'm sure that you know the teachers are
Speaker 5: teaching them all to hate America and Israel and everything.
Speaker 5: Also and if it's a boarding school, then you're really surrounded.
Speaker 5: I mean you're immersed in it.
Speaker 1: And then you add to that young women's tendency to
Speaker 1: really crave belonging in approval of their peers, and if
Speaker 1: approval of their peers is dependent upon adopting this radical ideology,
Speaker 1: you get it in spades. It really is amazing. Look
Speaker 1: in the picture of these very very rich girls trying
Speaker 1: to achieve a bo ho radical look and the rest
Speaker 1: of it oldest time.
Speaker 5: Wow, you spend all that money sending your kid to
Speaker 5: school and they end up nut jobs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, we have a blockbuster hour four coming up.
Speaker 1: If you don't get our four or you've got to
Speaker 1: go off and do something, that's fine, just grab it
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty cool at your own leisure. You're a
Speaker 5: man who craves leisure. As the song says, yes, we
Speaker 5: got a big hour four coming, I hope you can
Speaker 5: enjoy them.
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