WEBVTT - Re-Animating the Corpse 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:06.120 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:10.240 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:17.200 Armstrong and Jettie and he Armstrong and Eddy. 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:25.760 The way I look at artificial intelligence, it's both like 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:27.760 it can be a threat for sure, and it can 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.000 be a massive opportunity. What I don't understand is when 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.479 I walk around this city or you talk to lawmakers, why. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:35.879 People aren't obsessed with this. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.360 It is going to reorder society over the next decade, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.200 and almost any person who studied it at any level 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.440 has come to that exact same conclusion. I sometimes joke 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.480 to Mikey and others that I feel like I'm living 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.440 in a simulation where you see so clearly where the 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.440 world's going over the next five years, and yet Washington 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:55.480 pays very little attention to it. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:57.720 Jim Vanda High is getting a lot of attention for 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.920 a PC he wrote for Axios about a there's a 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.279 big one in The New Yorker also in which they 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:07.160 have two AI experts, one arguing it's going to change 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:10.679 society more than anything ever has and very soon, and 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:14.600 another expert arguing that now it's way, way, way over 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.920 blown and any of the effects are years off, which 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.039 I hope that that guy's right, although I tend to 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.560 think the other guy's right, that it's happening sooner and 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:24.440 gonna be a big deal. 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:29.360 I've been reading James vander Heys piece in which, among 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.120 other things, he interviews Dario am a day. Is that 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.920 how you're protesting? He's the CEO of Anthropic, one of 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.160 the most powerful AI companies in the world, And it 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.440 occurred to me the perfect metaphor. I don't know why 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.720 I see the world in metaphors. I do, but it's 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:44.440 as if. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.760 Doctor Franklin, You're still seeing the world in metaphors, is 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:54.920 like an ox needing something. It's like if doctor Frankenstein 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.480 was designing his monster, but it was going to be 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.920 like fifty feet tall. But doctor Frankenstein was perfectly sane 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.680 and was saying, now, reanimating a corpse is going to 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:12.320 be an incredible scientific breakthrough, but it could rampage down 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.520 to and through the village and kill many, many people, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.680 and we're really not sure which. So Igor, if you 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.760 would fire up the lightning positron, please let's get this 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:33.600 started anyway, Thank you, dear More with Jim Vanda high. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.560 Just pay attention, get way more familiar with this technology. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.520 If you are about to be a graduate, figure out. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.240 Are you in the right field. If you are in 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:44.200 the right field. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.600 How would you utilize this technology for it to be 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.720 a force multiplier of the work that you do. How 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.880 can you help it ten x, two x, whatever the 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.239 number is your productivity, so that you can do but 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.880 really creative interesting things. And I think if society prepares 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.880 for it, if the company's for it, it doesn't have. 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.760 To be a massive upheaval. 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.800 Again, I hope he's right. I just I just don't know. 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.440 It's it's not It's not like, you know, except the 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.160 fact that the car is coming. Learn how to fix 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.920 a car because nobody's gonna need horseshoes anymore, right me? 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:20.200 You know, made sense, makes sense. I'm not sure if 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.639 it works the way the you know, the the people 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.280 on the extreme end of all the jobs AI can take, 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:31.760 If they're right, there are gonna be so many millions 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.040 of people out of work. There's there's no like, well, 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.080 I guess for your young pick a career that AI 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.200 can enhance. But well, here's a be a lot of 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.760 guessing involved in that. Let me set the table a 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.720 little bit, then we can discuss. So, mister m Day 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.280 and again, forgive me if I'm mispronouncing it. The CEO 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.760 of Anthropic, talking to Jim Vanda Hay, has a blunt, 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.040 scary warning for the US government and all of US. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.680 AI could wipe out half of all entry level white 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.560 collar jobs and spike on themloyment ten to twenty percent 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.040 in the next one to five years. Five percent of 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.760 jobs wiped out. Interesting noways you said. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:13.360 Half ten half of all entry level white collar jobs 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.680 and ten to twenty percent unemployment in general in the 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.520 next one to five years. And Day said, AI. Companies 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.640 and government need to stop sugarcoating what's coming. This is 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:28.839 doctor Frankenstein standing there I'm picturing on the drawbridge of 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.560 his moat saying to the villagers with the pitchforks and 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.680 the torches breaks, guys, you gotta be ready in case 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.320 the monster goes on a rampage. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:43.000 Well, the first clip we played from Jim Vanahei makes 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.120 the most well, it's not hard to explain, makes the 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.599 most sense to me. How is this such a giant 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.880 topic everywhere but in Washington, d C. I wonder if 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:53.960 it has anything to do with the average person in 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.560 any leadership position. 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:56.280 Being eighty years old. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:57.719 I think so. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.800 And also there are so many unknowns it's difficult to 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:05.719 know what to do legislatively, particularly if, for instance, I 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.919 don't know your legislature is utterly cowardly and afraid of 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.680 doing anything lest they do the wrong thing, so they 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.680 just let the executive branch do everything. But let me 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.720 finish the thought. Emday said AI. Companies and government need 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.839 to stop sugarcoating what's coming. I'm sorry, what's coming the 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:29.800 possible mass elimination of jobs across technology, finance, law, consulting, 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.599 and other white collar professions, especially entry level gigs. I 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.640 got a kid who just kicked buttoner first year of 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.440 law school. I'm very proud of her. But we're gonna 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.360 have a serious talk, and practical part of me doesn't 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.000 want to say this on the air because I want 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.360 as few people to come to this realization as possible. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.800 We're gonna have a serious talk about there's a very 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.480 good chance you're either going to be the person eliminated 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.440 by AI or you're going to be the person who's 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:59.440 become so adept at using it. You're the one out 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.480 of a that is kept on to get good at 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:03.919 this stuff. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:08.040 That's exactly what bend Hi was saying. Accept the fact 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.039 that it's going to be here, and figure out a 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:10.520 way to. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.880 Use AI. So you're one of the people that can 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:16.840 continue to make a living. 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.640 Yeah, so, amide says he's speaking out in hopes of 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:24.400 jarring government and fellow AI companies into preparing and protecting 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:29.440 the nation. Hardly anyone is paying attention. Lawmakers don't get 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.320 it or don't believe it. CEOs are afraid to talk 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.240 about it. Many workers won't realize the risks posed by 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:40.280 the possible job apocalypse until after it hits. And by 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.599 the way, if you're a new Ish listener to the show, 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:46.479 thank you for being here. First of all. Secondly, we're 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:50.359 not clickbait hyperbole. We try very hard to stay away 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.760 from trying to scare you all the time or making 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.960 you angry all the time. There are plenty of reasons 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.000 to be scared and or angry. We just try not 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:01.400 to go over the top. I don't think it's hyperbole 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.520 at all. To you know, have the weight on the 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.719 balls of your feet and your feet at shoulder position, 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.160 leaning forward at the waist, getting ready for this could 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.240 be very, very disruptive. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.640 Well, I've read several of the long leading books on 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:20.160 the topic, Life three point zero by Max Tegmark, which 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.600 is fantastic, and then a newer one from Nick Bostrom, 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.360 who wrote an AI book that got tons of attention 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.480 several years ago. But this Deep Utopia book, which he 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:34.880 gets really into. If it does what some people claim 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:40.360 it's going to do, what the hell is mankind going 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.800 to do? What is society going to be? How is humanity? 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.000 Even even if you come up with a way for 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.600 people to have food and shelter, what do human beings 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:54.040 become if they have they don't have to work. It's 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.640 an experiment that's never been run before really, other than 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:58.880 like the super rich. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.160 And you see how they often end up up. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.640 Give us the ten second version of your working on 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.920 the song yesterday after this commercial or right now, no, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.360 right right now? Okay, So I'm ordering you to do anything, 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.440 but I think it would fit in well, and then 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:17.040 coming up after the commercial jack reference the hey don't worry, 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:18.600 it's gonna be okay argument. 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:20.600 So I was working on this song yesterday, I'd come 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.320 up with these lyrics in my head, and then I 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.880 picked out a key I could sing in, some chord 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.440 structure and stuff like that. The working title is Jo's 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:31.600 an a Hole. But it's very tuneful, very nice. 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:36.960 I'd like to hear that song. But I thought, you know, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.319 I need a bridge for this song. 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.600 And I almost feel guilty for even having done this, 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.000 but I thought it'd be kind of fun to see 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.559 what it did. I went to chat GBT and I said, 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.920 what's a good bridge for like a country style song? 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.960 And it presented me like with five different options immediately, 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.520 by the way of if you want something that's kind 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.840 of uplifting, go with this. If you want something that 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.640 is good for setting up a more poignant ending, go 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.560 with this. And it just gave me the chords in 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.000 that give you all the chord structures for doing it. 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.200 This is the most popular currently in like country pop, 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.000 and it was. I mean, you wouldn't even know, you 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.200 didn't know anything about. 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.520 Music to craft a song that way, So instead of 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.160 experimenting and struggling and listening to it and trying to 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.439 figure out how do I get back to the verse 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.880 chords and that's a little uncomfortable, And then finally, after 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.080 you know, minutes or hours of effort coming up with 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.240 something you're proud of. No, the computer just told you 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:38.440 what to do. How does that change songwriting? I've got 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.200 to admit I heard that and thought, wow, that's cool tool. 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.199 But I also thought, what the hell's the point? Right? 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.079 Yeah, that's what I felt like too. 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That's Trust and Will dot com 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.000 slash armstrong. 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:29.959 So we'll have to get to the optimistic side of 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.880 the AI thing next. But I just on the music thing, 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.640 as you mentioned it. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.480 Is what is the point art wise? 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:44.440 Certainly, Hemingway famously said a writer writes for himself and others. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.400 I mean, but you're doing it a lot for yourself. 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:50.080 And the reason I sat down to craft a song yesterday, 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.080 which I hadn't done in a long time, is I 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.160 was in emotional turmoil about a certain thing, and all 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.160 these thoughts were in my head and I just was 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.080 compelled to write a song about it. Well, if I 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:04.800 have AI do it, doesn't that negate the whole artistic 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:09.080 you know, getting your feelings out of you onto paper 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.120 or music or painting or whatever. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.720 Well, right, to summarize again, what are we doing here? 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:16.880 Exactly? 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.080 So if I was gonna have them write the bridge, 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.679 well write the whole damn thing, write the lyrics, produce it, 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.800 you know, tell me in five minutes what to listen to. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.480 And I'll listen to it in a five seconds. 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:27.280 Five seconds. 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.160 Then I'll listen to it and think, well, now I 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.760 feel like I've expunged my demons. 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.199 I'll get to go about my life. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:34.680 What well? 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:34.960 Right? 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.920 And so the great conundrum is, okay AI is going 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.400 to free us all up to become poets and songwriters, 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:42.640 which the AI. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.480 Will do so right, excellent point. And then there's also 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.160 the what if it's way better than what I would 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:50.719 have come up with, which it probably would be. 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:52.520 I'd say that's the material. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.080 To me, Oh it is, but who wants that? 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:01.199 It's very discouraging to worry about it. The the positive 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:21.320 optimistic argument is coming up in moments Stay with us, friends. 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.760 We're talking about AI, both Axios and The New Yorker. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.640 I now big pieces on the is this going to 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.640 change in the world? Is in ways we can't even imagine? 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.839 Maybe for the worse or is it not going to 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.560 be that big a deal? I certainly don't know which 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:32.559 I'm hoping for the latter. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:36.040 Actually, well, and the guys who are designing all this 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.840 stuff don't know either, which is no Harry back to 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:43.520 my doctor Frankenstein metaphor. But I will say that the 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.640 admitting the monster might rampage through the village and kill everybody, 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.800 it's impossible that well, it's not impossible. 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.719 But obviously Google elon. All kinds of people think it's 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:54.520 going to be a big deal. 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:55.079 Bill Gates. 0:13:55.080 --> 0:14:00.000 They're spending hundreds of millions of dollars billions of dollars 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:01.920 this because they think it's going to be that big 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:02.200 a deal. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.080 Rich Lowry in the National Review has expressed the counter 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.120 argument that many of you find folks have expressed through 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:14.640 the years and certainly worth considering. Rich writes, chat GPT 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:16.920 is coming for your job. That's the fear about the 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:21.880 rapid advances in intelligent artificial intelligence. They mentioned the headline 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:26.080 Naxios who warned of a white color bloodbath. CEO of 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.400 Anthropic we've been quoting in the last segment told the 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.200 publication AI could destroy up to half, well destroy half 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.600 of all entry level white collar jobs in the next 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.520 one to five years. That's like right around the corner, 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.160 and drive the employment rate up to ten to twenty percent, 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.320 or roughly great depression levels. This sounds dire, but we've 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.440 been here before. In the thirties, John Maynard Keynes thought 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.560 that labor saving devices will quote out running the pace 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.120 at which we can find new uses for labor. And 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.760 let's thought the same thing in the sixties when John F. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.880 Kennedy warned that quote, the automation problem is as important 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.440 as any we face, and in our era too. If 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:06.280 a prediction has been consistently wrong, it doesn't necessarily mean 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.680 that it will forever be wrong. Still, we shouldn't have 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:13.840 much confidence in the same alarmism repeated for the same reasons. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.560 That gives a few examples to push back. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.760 A lot of people have and I hope it's absolutely 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.880 holds true for AI. It has been true in the past, 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:27.360 but God AI could reach into so many different areas 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:28.800 of life at the same time. 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:30.640 A little murder. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.840 Rich's argument, and then perhaps we'll counter it. If technological 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.200 advance was really a net killer of jobs, the labor 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.400 market should have been in decline since the invention of 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.480 the wheel. Instead, we live in a time of technological marvels, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.360 and the unemployment rate is four point two percent. Rob 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.520 At Consent of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation points 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.720 out that the average unemployment rate in the US has 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.760 not changed much over the last century, despite an increase 0:15:53.800 --> 0:16:00.440 in productivity by almost ten times. Technology increases productivity, driving 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.800 down costs and making it possible to invest and spend 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.400 on other things, creating new jobs that replace the old. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.400 This is the process of society becoming wealthier, and it's 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.840 why nations that innovate are better off than those who don't. 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:17.160 Good powerful argument. The rise of personal computers collapsed the 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.440 demand for typists and word processors. These positions were often 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.320 held by women. Did this decimate the economic prospects of 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.680 women in America? No, they got different and frequently better jobs. 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:32.800 It goes into some bookkeeping and accounting parallels. It's a 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.760 good solid argument. The only thing I would throw it 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.560 rich is and we've seen this in a lot of 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:46.480 different aspects of the modern age. There are two questions, 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.840 two challenges, the amount of change and the pace of change. Right, 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:57.400 And it could be that this, given the rapidity with twitch, 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.160 it'll drown us all or beat us to that like 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.760 Frankenstein's monster in my metaphor, It's gonna be so fast 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:09.720 and so huge, the jarring adjustment period is going to 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.480 be very ugly and volatile. 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.240 Yeah, we're pretty We're being pretty loose and fast with 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.760 the term AI. Also, it's all about a gi artificial 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.120 general intelligence, whether that happens or not. And I've read 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.320 enough of these books to know there are people that 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.520 think it will never happen. There are people that think 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.400 we're twenty years away. There are people that think we're 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:34.120 five years away. But if artificial general intelligence happens, where 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.800 computers are as smart as human beings, smarter than human beings, 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:42.320 can learn everything instantly, then it's impossible anything that you 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:46.800 come up with that human beings can do, that are 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:51.320 that come off of the technological technological advancement, can also. 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.520 Be done by artificial and general intelligence. 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:55.719 Yeah, that's too much for a person like me to 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.439 even contemplate. I can't. I'm stuck in the halfway between 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:03.720 period where you know or eighty percent of lawyers will 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:08.320 be replaced by a nap. That's going to be dislocating 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.320 enough your thing. Please, I don't even want to think. 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.800 About agi happens. I can't imagine how that doesn't do 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:15.480 them society. 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:16.720 But anyway, who knows. 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:25.080 Armstrong and Getty. So hey, before we get started, you 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:26.960 ought to talk about what we were just talking about 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.400 off the air. On the air, to whatever extent you can, 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.240 you're good at that. I just at some point the 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:40.000 theme being people are way crazier than you are told 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.240 as a kid. As a kid, you think, you know, 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.560 grown ups have it more or less buttoned up, and 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:47.720 they can at least perceive reality. 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.800 A lot of people cannot. They live in a world 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.720 of delusion. Especially. I never thought when I was younger 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:57.720 that rich, smart people could be this dumb. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.520 Right, Okay, well, too good? You have a particular skill 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:04.200 set that makes you a lot of money. That doesn't 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.679 mean you have generalized intelligence or wisdom, and its correct you. 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.080 I will tell that story, uh in a little bit. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.199 But first, executive producer Mike Hanson, who rarely comes on 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:13.640 the air, why are you here? 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:18.080 Hanson? I was inspired really by our AI conversation. 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.080 Yeah, I mean, you guys are talking about trying to 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.080 form up a song, and I see I've been picking 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.160 up my guitar more lately as well. I don't really 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.600 concern myself with a lot of you know, song structure 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.280 in the bridge and I just kind of fiddle around. 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.320 But I bang around. I make a lot of a 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:33.840 lot of noise. But I was inspired. 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:38.040 So I turned my AI tool, thinking I should craft 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.640 a tune this morning. Uh So I quickly jotted down 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.520 some lyrics and I wrote all the lyrics on this. 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:46.400 I didn't ask you to help me. I wrote them 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.360 in about twenty twenty seconds. 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:52.360 Way to put in the time. 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.520 Well, and a lot of great songs inspired. I was inspired. 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.120 I mean, come on, don't tell me about my art. 0:19:58.520 --> 0:19:59.239 This was my art. 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.000 So way he came up with a song. 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:18.040 He gets up every morning, he's dedicated to his craft, 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:26.800 his hall mark, his fairness, and everyone loves to hear him. 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:27.280 Leader. 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:35.399 He's a master of metaphorm and a one of hurd smith. 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:36.639 Tell me why not. 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.880 He's got kind of a but don't ask him. 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:43.760 To work to harm cause of leisure. 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.000 He's the king. 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:56.719 Jokey Joe Gay, that was awesome. 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:04.040 This is my kind of music, dud Joe Getty, phone 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:08.879 up with the light on you god swaying back and forth. 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:11.960 This is the sort of song that was on he 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:17.200 Haw or the Glenn Campbell Show every Saturday night when 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:17.920 I was a kid. 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.840 Or if you're an alt country nineties guy like me, 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.520 it was just revd up a little bit and the 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:28.040 electric guitars and yeah, I love that music because of leisure. 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:32.960 The King. I am a man who craves leisure. Yes, 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:35.320 as I've made clear through the years. 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.600 Oh my god. The fact that you can do that 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.400