Speaker 1: The one and only Max Kaiser were sitting down doing
Speaker 1: this and uh so we're in Phoenix and we are
Speaker 1: on your flon tour tour. Um, I think that came
Speaker 1: from because that came from Bitcoin Miami, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of a continuation or how did that, how did that
Speaker 1: come up? Come apart? Right? The Bitcoin Miami have been
Speaker 1: When I came on stage to do the Michael Saylor chat,
Speaker 1: it just kind of burst out. You know, Ellen was
Speaker 1: in the news and uh he got a lot of
Speaker 1: bitcoiners kind of on the wrong wrong side, and so
Speaker 1: it burst out and a lot of people found it
Speaker 1: interesting or controversial and become now a pretty interesting name.
Speaker 1: Show me name the tour after this. Yeah, well you're
Speaker 1: no stranger to controversy, controversy, sales, I guess well, we've
Speaker 1: been doing journalism for almost twenty years now, and because
Speaker 1: we did do journalism for outlets like Al Jazeera, English
Speaker 1: Press TV, which is Iranian, RT, which is Russian, BBC,
Speaker 1: which is communist, we we we have a lot of
Speaker 1: controversy that blows us around, just because the journalists tend
Speaker 1: to attract controversy if they're doing journalism. Yeah, well they should.
Speaker 1: Well they used to do journalism not so much anymore. Right,
Speaker 1: journalism is a lost heart. Yeah, it's a lost art. So, um,
Speaker 1: what do you mean he got people on the wrong side. Well,
Speaker 1: he he initially got folks interested in you know that
Speaker 1: he was taking a look at bitcoin and buying bitcoin,
Speaker 1: but he immediately did the rookie mistake of getting involved
Speaker 1: in the ship points and number one, and then in
Speaker 1: subsequent interviews he was kind of making fun of Al
Speaker 1: Salvador as being kind of a backwater. Uh country wasn't
Speaker 1: going anywhere. That was very rude. He was talking about
Speaker 1: bitcoin note operators. It's not really essential or even look them.
Speaker 1: So he didn't do the homework. I like Michael Sailor,
Speaker 1: it did the homework, has done the homework, really understand
Speaker 1: it got into it. Elon is a dileton, just flew.
Speaker 1: He's a fly by guy. He's like, oh, this looks
Speaker 1: cute and he's like an area. Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 1: Now you are like the o G in the space.
Speaker 1: I saw something from you the other day, like two
Speaker 1: thousand and eleven. You were like saying, like I want
Speaker 1: to get a million people into bitcoin back in two
Speaker 1: dozen eleven, So you've been around a long time. I'm
Speaker 1: curious to get your take on this because now I've
Speaker 1: been in since which is all long day but not
Speaker 1: not near as you. But um, I had my own
Speaker 1: path down the all coins, and it seems like the
Speaker 1: more research you do roads come back to bitcoin. And
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody, and I'm curious from your viewpoint,
Speaker 1: like it seems like the more work that somebody puts
Speaker 1: in to do the research, nobody, nobody decides it doesn't work. Right.
Speaker 1: It's almost like once you've done the work, like you're
Speaker 1: bought in um if you if your service level like Elon,
Speaker 1: maybe right, But have you seen that the more even
Speaker 1: more to put the work you put in the bitcoin,
Speaker 1: the more your conviction increases, and the morning you become
Speaker 1: bitcoin maximum? Right, So nobody nobody puts the work in
Speaker 1: and understands and goes, oh, this is never gonna work.
Speaker 1: It's never seen it. It's the opposite that. Ever in
Speaker 1: ten years, I've never seen anybody who put in a
Speaker 1: lot of work and it was decided that it actually
Speaker 1: was something that they weren't interested in and then never happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's never happened. So I thought that was an interesting viewpoint. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm super interested in your take on like some international things,
Speaker 1: because I know you've lived all around the world and
Speaker 1: as you said, you kind of do news for these
Speaker 1: different outlets. Um. I've always thought that, you know, specifically
Speaker 1: around bitcoin, that at some point it's going to be
Speaker 1: the battle for the ages, because the world doesn't want
Speaker 1: to give up their grip on fiat specifically, the dollar
Speaker 1: doesn't want to give up the grip on the dollar
Speaker 1: reserve asset. But that's a that's a US centric view.
Speaker 1: What about from other parts of the world that maybe
Speaker 1: doesn't have the dollar reserve asset? Do you think there's
Speaker 1: a difference there. No, you know, starting in the the n
Speaker 1: we just had the fiftieth anniversary of the Nixon Shock,
Speaker 1: the Sunday ninth, you know, you must closed the gold window,
Speaker 1: and we went on this massive global experiment for the
Speaker 1: first time, all fiat money, no Fiat money backed by
Speaker 1: anything another fiat money. And then during the fifty years,
Speaker 1: you know, you've had collusion. No mean, prints wrote an
Speaker 1: excellent book Collusion. The central banks kind of worked together
Speaker 1: in keeping interest rates artificially low by keeping the money's
Speaker 1: big gets pumped and pouring out all this fiat money
Speaker 1: and by essentially making it easier to commit financial fraud,
Speaker 1: because financial fraud is financial ultimately by borrow of money.
Speaker 1: And if the cost of borrowing money is near zero,
Speaker 1: you are allowing and condoning all that financial fraud to
Speaker 1: just become rampant throughout the globe. And this is what
Speaker 1: we've seen, and this is the problems. I'm just about
Speaker 1: every single problem you can point your finger at has
Speaker 1: its root in too much free money. Yeah. I I
Speaker 1: just did a video on that fiftieth anniversary that Nick
Speaker 1: Nixon shock, and I grabbed a clip of his his
Speaker 1: address when he announced that, and uh, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of things that are that are important to talk about,
Speaker 1: but one of them was he was saying, we have
Speaker 1: to protect the dollar from the speculators, because the speculators
Speaker 1: will one the country's were demanding goal. We don't want
Speaker 1: the fake currency, but to the speculators, like uh, kind
Speaker 1: of the famous A Story of Sorrows how he broke
Speaker 1: the bank gaming un speculating. So everybody knew that they
Speaker 1: had printed too many dollars and they would do it.
Speaker 1: And I just thought if they never printed the dollars,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have had to protect it from the speculators.
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Speaker 1: Now all right, well, you know speculators are when policy
Speaker 1: fails of capitalism. It's made up of free markets, and
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Speaker 1: And I just butchered that work. But I'm not going
Speaker 1: to buy repronounce it nevertheless. Uh, when you have a
Speaker 1: situation like Nixon had in nineteen seventy one where America
Speaker 1: went too far into debt to pay for the Vietnam
Speaker 1: War and they effectively defaulted on their gold obligations to
Speaker 1: Great Britain by saying we're gonna send you our goal,
Speaker 1: We're gonna send you more paper money. So the speculator
Speaker 1: in this case was Nixon and speculating that Great Britain
Speaker 1: would take paper and not go to war. And I
Speaker 1: think Great Britain would have justifiably sent like France sent
Speaker 1: today a worship to uh to New York. I guess
Speaker 1: it was to pick up their goal. So they thought
Speaker 1: it was an active war to try to monkey around
Speaker 1: with their money. Great Britain should have done the same thing. Really,
Speaker 1: But so that's what the speculation. He was speculating on
Speaker 1: the spinelessness of the British people, and he he correctly
Speaker 1: bet that they would be jellyfish and not respond. Yeah, so, um,
Speaker 1: that's fifty It's been fifty years. So we had, you know,
Speaker 1: are five thousand years of gold as a monetary standard
Speaker 1: an hour fifty years in this monetary experiment of fiat currency.
Speaker 1: And it just seems like when you look at the
Speaker 1: world you kind of mentioned a minute ago, like interest
Speaker 1: rates are at zero umrillion dollars of debt, Like how
Speaker 1: fast and how far it's come. It just seems like
Speaker 1: how much longer can I go for it? Man? Have
Speaker 1: they pushed it to the max? Right? The swing vote
Speaker 1: is China. So China has been a huge beneficiary of
Speaker 1: the monetary system in the last twenty or thirty years.
Speaker 1: They elevated themselves from their world status up to being
Speaker 1: a superpower. So the question is at what point is
Speaker 1: trying to open the trapdoor in the US dollar in conjunction.
Speaker 1: Probably will move on Taiwan. They have to feel comfortable
Speaker 1: that they can do that, and to do that, they
Speaker 1: have been hoarding gold quite voluminously, un hundreds of tons.
Speaker 1: They've got the one bout one road initiative that ties China, Russia,
Speaker 1: it ran Um and now Afghanistan will probably join that quartet.
Speaker 1: So uh, they I think believe that they're close to
Speaker 1: being in a position to make a move on Taiwan.
Speaker 1: They had a trial one of Hong Kong. They co
Speaker 1: opted Um annexed Hong Kong without any pushback. Really no
Speaker 1: no problem there. So I think it's all go, all
Speaker 1: go ye for Taiwan. Yeah, and what do you think
Speaker 1: the significance of Taiwan, Well, it would the chips are
Speaker 1: manufacturing in Taiwan. It's a hugely strategic asset for China
Speaker 1: from the technology side, technology side, So it's uh they
Speaker 1: wanted so UM. I think that they're going to get it,
Speaker 1: you know, and they've already told everybody they're gonna get it.
Speaker 1: They took that Japan said, if you tempt it, we're
Speaker 1: gonna step in. And they said if you even where
Speaker 1: they say, if you even show one soldier, We're going
Speaker 1: to nuke your whole island, I think they said. And
Speaker 1: they have great allies, you know. I mean, Japan is
Speaker 1: entirely depended on for an oil and they on domestic oil.
Speaker 1: And also that would mean that there they would be
Speaker 1: UM easily defeated. UM and UM. I think also another
Speaker 1: major swing player and this whole thing would be Germany,
Speaker 1: because Germany, I think, is gonna leave essentially need lead
Speaker 1: NATO and side with Russia, China, Ran Afghanistan go east
Speaker 1: for the pipeline. They already had that. The nord Tream too,
Speaker 1: is already going right from Russia right to Germany. Uh
Speaker 1: and they've got like thirty or forty percent of their
Speaker 1: energy directly comes from Russia now and the US can't
Speaker 1: compete on that front. And uh so I think that
Speaker 1: will kind of tip the balance to a new century,
Speaker 1: a new alliance, and a new The biggest trades on
Speaker 1: the world would be the one road, one about one road.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be the he used currently number one that
Speaker 1: I think overtaken by this new mass. And to your point,
Speaker 1: China has done that all with the dollar, because they've
Speaker 1: weaponized the dollar against us and kind built this empire,
Speaker 1: this this whole Eurasian land mask. Um. So you talk
Speaker 1: about it like being oil, which is kind of interesting
Speaker 1: because obviously the dollars switched from gold back to this
Speaker 1: kind of petro dollar. But now today we have like
Speaker 1: this whole E. S G narrative going around and like
Speaker 1: now we have activist shareholders taking over Exxon, and like
Speaker 1: now they're not even gonna be in the oil business anymore.
Speaker 1: Germany seems to want to be getting rid of all
Speaker 1: their fossil fuels and even nuclear. So you still think
Speaker 1: that has a lot of weight. Well, let me make
Speaker 1: sure I understand the question. So E s G. Well,
Speaker 1: it seems like the labor of the month, at least
Speaker 1: to call it social responsible investing, and that's murphed and
Speaker 1: morphed into E. S G. And this is a talking
Speaker 1: point in the talking shops around the world like Davos
Speaker 1: and things like that. So what do you exactly, Well,
Speaker 1: it just seems like you're saying, like, tie all this
Speaker 1: together with the oil. But it seems like at the
Speaker 1: same time, all these countries are trying to get rid
Speaker 1: of the use of oil, get rid of fossil fuels altogether.
Speaker 1: So it didn't seem like could be the thing to
Speaker 1: unite everybody when everybody seems to be trying to get
Speaker 1: off of it. I guess was my point right there,
Speaker 1: trying to move to renewables as opposed to fossil fuels. UM.
Speaker 1: The oil business isn't going wet, right, you know, the
Speaker 1: supply made the window, but the demand is not going
Speaker 1: to Chinese cult capacity like they just went up again.
Speaker 1: It's quite sharply UM and UM. Renewables are it's it's
Speaker 1: it's UM. It's not really it's gonna be a factor
Speaker 1: if you if you look at even the way as
Speaker 1: you mentioned the petrol dollar. Right, so the entire banking
Speaker 1: system is tied entirely to the oil industry because it's
Speaker 1: extremely capital intensive and UM, so they're they're also not
Speaker 1: gonna be on board with with a switch out of oil. Um,
Speaker 1: so E s G. It's it's a lugeon that is
Speaker 1: you used to kind of, um have a way to
Speaker 1: frame the narrative. You know, people would use that E
Speaker 1: s G. To somehow, um shape news and shape the
Speaker 1: narrative and things like that. But it's it's it's purely cosmetic.
Speaker 1: There's absolutely no no basis. There's no no, no, no
Speaker 1: reason to think that this is a factor at all. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean it's definitely I agree with you.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a way to control companies and countries even
Speaker 1: and uh it may limit the supply, but the demands
Speaker 1: not going away, right, so we're still going to have that.
Speaker 1: So um, I guess all this just kind of feeds
Speaker 1: into the bigger narrative. Obviously we're bitcoiners, um, and you know,
Speaker 1: going from the Nixon shock, Um, it's almost like these
Speaker 1: are just ripples that have been sent out, Like all
Speaker 1: these are kind of like effects. Um. The Afghanistan piece,
Speaker 1: what you mentioned we were talking about before recording is
Speaker 1: kind of a big turn of events. Um, what's happened there,
Speaker 1: and and uh there's probably a bunch of opinions on
Speaker 1: that but it's like as bad as that was, like
Speaker 1: maybe that would have always been avoided if we didn't
Speaker 1: have the feet currency from the Nixon Shock. Would you
Speaker 1: say that, you know, if you have money allows you
Speaker 1: to go in Afghanistan's for twenty years without any objective,
Speaker 1: without any plan um, and to just funnel trillions to
Speaker 1: defense contractors right to your buddies down the street in Washington.
Speaker 1: That's all. It is a pastrough mechanism to channel printonalized cantellent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was as a war game. There was someone put
Speaker 1: on Twitter post from from Julian Assans from two thousand eleven,
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, a decade ago, and he was saying,
Speaker 1: Afghanistan is going to be a way to funnel money
Speaker 1: from the taxpayers to these multinational companies. And then you
Speaker 1: see it today and it's like, exactly what you're saying,
Speaker 1: exactly what happened? You know, it's the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: essentially the same thing, you know, I kind of I'm
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that America, after spending two twenty two trillion
Speaker 1: dollars in twenty years, couldn't find Saudi Arabia on a map, right,
Speaker 1: we went in there after nine eleven because to reprise
Speaker 1: the attackers, and they for some you know, for twenty
Speaker 1: nine cents you go to the gas station and buy
Speaker 1: a world map and then their Saudi Arabia here, okay gas,
Speaker 1: and that's not the same, right, So after twenty years
Speaker 1: they finally figured that out. They're like, you know, we've
Speaker 1: made a wrong turn. We went a little bit too
Speaker 1: far the side. Well that happened. It's like in the
Speaker 1: GPS in your car, okay, you know, the parking lot
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes, because they keeps sending it round in
Speaker 1: the round and round. That's American food policy. They're completely
Speaker 1: stuck on stupid, right. But they're spending trillions of dollars.
Speaker 1: If you have money, there's never any penalty, but they
Speaker 1: just keep it in their pocket and they go buy
Speaker 1: stocks and inside our training and Nancy Pelosi sixty seventy
Speaker 1: million dollars at the time in Washington just trading an
Speaker 1: inside information. Yeah, that's what we're paying for. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: because list goes on and on. How money it breeds leprosy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the politicians are essentially fiat lepers. They think they
Speaker 1: live in a cave where they're just gregging all this
Speaker 1: fee on money showing upon them from the febuaries are
Speaker 1: banking the Treasury Department, and they're drug trolls under a bridge.
Speaker 1: There's all the fat pigs, right, and that's what we
Speaker 1: feat that's our taxes go. It's a pigsty vermin yea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you mentioned the accountability piece. So there's no accountability. So
Speaker 1: of course if they if they're not gonna get in trouble,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna lose their jobs, is not gonna get whatever,
Speaker 1: then they're going to keep doing it. You know, they
Speaker 1: just dropped palates of hundred dollar bills in to Afghanistan
Speaker 1: and hope that it's all gonna work out well. Right,
Speaker 1: the guy just made up at the hundred fifties hundred
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars of our tax money. Right, I was
Speaker 1: hoping to buy a gold fish or something for my house,
Speaker 1: you know, put some life in the quarter, you got it?
Speaker 1: Like now it's like no, it's over in Dubai or
Speaker 1: where he's living large as a good uh you know,
Speaker 1: out law worshiping Muslim, you know, down at the bar
Speaker 1: five o'clock every night, washed on my money. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, at least like read the crime don't be
Speaker 1: an assholes like chapter one. Yeah, so under a sound
Speaker 1: money standard, under bitcoin standard, under a gold standard previous
Speaker 1: to FIAT, countries would go to war and if they
Speaker 1: calculated wrong, if they lost, then they go bankrupt, and
Speaker 1: then there's real consequences. Wars would end, and then there
Speaker 1: would be consequences. They'd go bankrupt and the country would fall. Right,
Speaker 1: that's right, Well, that's exactly right. You're you're limited to
Speaker 1: That's why you had to be strategic. You know, you
Speaker 1: had like Napoleon or whoever, you know, great generals because
Speaker 1: they were able to win war is given the constraints
Speaker 1: of their budgets. Yeah, but if you have no budgetary
Speaker 1: constraints and you can just like sitting somewhere in Delaware
Speaker 1: behind a video console and start killing civilians like a
Speaker 1: video game and con tail yourself millions of dollars and
Speaker 1: just watch dead people pile up on the street and
Speaker 1: like give yourself a Budweiser at five o'clock. There's no
Speaker 1: there's no reason to stop. Why would you stop? There's well,
Speaker 1: human life has no value in that scenario. So I mean,
Speaker 1: if Karma's coming back, you know, as Malcolm X said
Speaker 1: that chickens are coming home to roost. Yeah. Now there's
Speaker 1: one parallel that we both have drawn that I want
Speaker 1: to discuss real quickly, and that was in regards to Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: Um Well, I started out saying that, you know, we've
Speaker 1: always kind of known that the powers that be are
Speaker 1: not gonna want bitcoin because it's going to take away
Speaker 1: their feat control. Um and with with with Afghanistan, we
Speaker 1: were warned Omar warrened Bush like, hey, come out of
Speaker 1: the bush, that we're gonna come out with everything, and
Speaker 1: nowhere you can hide, and he said, we'll wait you out.
Speaker 1: And so Afghanistan is notoriously has been called the graveyard
Speaker 1: of empires. Right, so everyone that goes there it gets
Speaker 1: defeated and then the empire falls apart. And there's something
Speaker 1: about Afghanistan. It's just hard to kill. And so just
Speaker 1: they don't wait everybody out. It's the Bitcoin of countries.
Speaker 1: It's the Bitcoin of countries. It's decentralized, so you can
Speaker 1: knock out one tribe or one hill or one group
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter because it's infinitely replicated throughout this
Speaker 1: entire region and there's no way to to kill it.
Speaker 1: For that reason, it's totally decentralize, the same reason why
Speaker 1: a big cooin is unkillable. It's unconfiscatable, it's immutable, it's
Speaker 1: unstoppable PDP file swapping. They've been trying to get rid
Speaker 1: of that for decades. They can get rid of it
Speaker 1: because it's totally distributed centralized. So that's that's what Afghanistan has.
Speaker 1: So um, that was predictable that the US would do
Speaker 1: exactly what they did. I think that going into Afghanistan,
Speaker 1: if there was any game plan, it was that we
Speaker 1: know at ultimately that we could probably blow two trillions
Speaker 1: or more in this unwinnable war for our friends. Sound
Speaker 1: down at the Pentagon, right, that was the plan, Like
Speaker 1: they did say it worked out beautifully because it worked
Speaker 1: out exactly because you know, the network of these guys
Speaker 1: has shot up absolutely dramatically. That the wealth in America
Speaker 1: is increased by trillions of dollars, and that's the trillions
Speaker 1: that have been printed show up on the cap table
Speaker 1: of the network of those people who are benefiting from
Speaker 1: the genocide little maniacs that are running the show in
Speaker 1: the same amount. It's like, here's here's five dollars over here.
Speaker 1: Hold now, it's over there. How did you get there? Well,
Speaker 1: we pretended like we had. We were looking for a
Speaker 1: song and been longing. If I can get to stand
Speaker 1: there eleven, then he was responsible for all that tragedy,
Speaker 1: even though it was not them. But we won't say
Speaker 1: nothing because Americans too stupid, and they're like, it's a
Speaker 1: monetization of the mass stupidity of an entire nation, a
Speaker 1: million morons being wrapped in the boat Fiat money ties
Speaker 1: and putting the part thank you very much, Fox, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have spent two and a half
Speaker 1: trillion dollars, where do you think it went? Where did
Speaker 1: they spend it? It went to those people, right to
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Speaker 1: bringing it back to bitcoin. I mean, so obviously bitcoin
Speaker 1: could fix this by preventing it from happening in the
Speaker 1: first place. But I also, like I said, like to
Speaker 1: think about it being hard to kill. So just like
Speaker 1: the Afghanistan was able to wait out the US government
Speaker 1: for twenty years, Um, bitcoin can just wait out this
Speaker 1: whole mess that's happening. I guess what is it if
Speaker 1: you stand by the river long enough you see the
Speaker 1: bodies of your enemies coming by a kind of a thing.
Speaker 1: I read an proper this week. I learned something which
Speaker 1: goes you have the watches, we have the time. I
Speaker 1: like that, right, I like that? Yeah, Bitcoin is just
Speaker 1: hop the zen moment of Hottle. It's like, um, you
Speaker 1: cannot be. The only weapon they have to fight Bitcoin
Speaker 1: with is to print more money and of course increases, Um,
Speaker 1: the ash rain increases, the security increases the price. Yea.
Speaker 1: So the more you attacked me, actually, my Dneworth skyrockets,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. So attacked me all day long,
Speaker 1: please you know. And and the more they attack it,
Speaker 1: the more they prove the use case for it. Almost right,
Speaker 1: Like if the government says don't do drugs, doesn't make
Speaker 1: you want to go do drugs. When they say you
Speaker 1: don't have the right to store your wealth in a
Speaker 1: way we can't confiscate that, it makes me want to
Speaker 1: do that. Well, it opens up people's eyes like, well,
Speaker 1: what's what's going on here? Why are you concerned about this?
Speaker 1: And some people jump into the rabbit hole. And as
Speaker 1: we're saying before, the more you learn about and your
Speaker 1: conviction goes up, and then you the network effect kicks
Speaker 1: in and now you've got two hundred million users soon
Speaker 1: it will be two billion users. And all the math
Speaker 1: is on our side. You know, all the math is
Speaker 1: on our side, and all the Fiat money bizarre, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, runaway nightmare that's going on is also working
Speaker 1: in our favor. And there's absolutely no possible way that
Speaker 1: the central banks of any country right now, with the
Speaker 1: exclusion of Russia, are able to actually raise interest rates
Speaker 1: in a way that would stop this runaway freight train
Speaker 1: of hyper inflationary collapse against bitcoin. So um, I want
Speaker 1: to get into Max's crystal ball here, okay, and not
Speaker 1: talking about I've got two in the moment, and I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about price because I don't care about the price. Um.
Speaker 1: So if all we have to do is wait it out,
Speaker 1: if we stand by the river long enough, the bodies
Speaker 1: will fly by. Um. And it seems like, I mean,
Speaker 1: the world is scary right now. We have a censorship
Speaker 1: and oppression, and we have our funding terrorism and all
Speaker 1: these things. We're you know, the financial institution or world
Speaker 1: is ready for a reset. I mean, their backs against
Speaker 1: the wall, and it seems like just left on their own,
Speaker 1: they're crumbling, right. The whole system is falling apart as
Speaker 1: you as you're making the case. Um with bitcoin, we're
Speaker 1: even helping push it over the edge. Um. So how
Speaker 1: long how long are we going to have to stand
Speaker 1: by the river before we see this whole system crumble? What?
Speaker 1: What what do you think as far as like the
Speaker 1: future two years, five years, twenty years, etcetera. Well, it's
Speaker 1: crumbling right now. And look different locations so and we
Speaker 1: don't care about them because they're not recorded by the
Speaker 1: news like other parts of the world, other parts of America.
Speaker 1: All right, So ninety thousand dead people from oxy contin overdose,
Speaker 1: and anyone report that on the on the cable news,
Speaker 1: does their deaths of despair caused by money printing and
Speaker 1: negligence and kind of a soft genocide by the pharmaceutical companies.
Speaker 1: We have life expectancy in America going down for the
Speaker 1: first time. We have inframortality going up. We have press
Speaker 1: freedom sinking and not even running on even the top
Speaker 1: thirty five anymore in the United States. So we're already crashing.
Speaker 1: Let's just not being reported on. It's like the portrait
Speaker 1: of Dorian Gray rights watching paint dry. There's nobody upstairs
Speaker 1: that looks good though. This is the version of the
Speaker 1: portrare of Dorian Gray in America. We're both the portrad
Speaker 1: in the living room and the attic both look like ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're witnessing and as why I said, we're's crumbling
Speaker 1: around as and and given it just just on its own,
Speaker 1: it's gonna fall apart um. Yeah, it just seems like
Speaker 1: we're in for quite a ride over the next couple
Speaker 1: of years. So as long as we just huddle, al right,
Speaker 1: I guess as you said this in case of huddle,
Speaker 1: will just weight long enough. Yeah, that's the best thing
Speaker 1: anyone can do. So Bitcoin was a gift and it
Speaker 1: gives us a way to hoddle through this period in
Speaker 1: history and to come out the other side of it. Um,
Speaker 1: do you think of it in terms of like holding
Speaker 1: holding my purchasing power so that when we come on
Speaker 1: the other side of it, as you said, then we
Speaker 1: still have wealth that we can buy more goods and
Speaker 1: services as opposed to buying this four number go up
Speaker 1: technology and I'm we're all going to get rich. And
Speaker 1: by lambos right, is it the insurance or is it
Speaker 1: investment or is it both? You know, you do come
Speaker 1: out the other side of it with your purchasing power,
Speaker 1: but you know, more more crucially, you come out the
Speaker 1: other side of it with something. Because we're heading into
Speaker 1: a situation where well, it's just going to be confiscated.
Speaker 1: In Germany right now, the yield curve on the entire
Speaker 1: German bond market is negative in nominal terms, and they're
Speaker 1: now applying that to the people's bank accounts, their savings account.
Speaker 1: So they're just confiscating money. It out of your bank
Speaker 1: account in Germany right now. Um, they're just taking your money. Um.
Speaker 1: So this is gonna be the situation all over the world.
Speaker 1: In the US, we have the world reserve currency, the
Speaker 1: US dollars, so slightly different but inflation does effectively the
Speaker 1: same thing. So they're just stealing money through the money printing,
Speaker 1: which causes all the inflation. And so it's confiscational wealth.
Speaker 1: So it's it's about preserving purchasing power, but more importantly,
Speaker 1: it's about having some wealth. It's unconfiscatable, it's unsensible. Uh,
Speaker 1: It's it's like if you were escaping Nazi Germany and
Speaker 1: and all, and you had no ability to walk out
Speaker 1: of there with anything. You were completely naked, but you
Speaker 1: had a sea phrase, a bitcoin in your mind of
Speaker 1: twelve words, you could move a billion dollars. I could
Speaker 1: go to the airport tomorrow, completely naked, walk land anywhere
Speaker 1: in the world and have my wealth completely intact if
Speaker 1: I just have to remember those twelve seed words in
Speaker 1: the I thought about that in Uh, seeing those pictures
Speaker 1: of all those Afghanists, I'll just people in Afghanistan trying
Speaker 1: to escape and there's whatever, haven't hearn People loaded onto
Speaker 1: one of those planes and they didn't have anything with them.
Speaker 1: They had no luggage, they didn't have they didn't have
Speaker 1: bars of gold, they weren't carrying their bank accounts or
Speaker 1: their or their real estate. But they could and they
Speaker 1: probably didn't. But that's where bitcoin comes in. They could
Speaker 1: just know those words in their head, right, and it
Speaker 1: does give you some peace of mind. Also, let's say
Speaker 1: you're in a stressful situation like in Australia right now,
Speaker 1: which has gone essentially you know, they're they're making the
Speaker 1: Nazis I think lush. You know, like the Nazis would
Speaker 1: look back and you know, if they can you look
Speaker 1: in history, they would look to seeing what Australian government
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, you guys, get it, good job. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So they got an incredible advantage if you can actually
Speaker 1: give yourself peace of mind by at least knowing that
Speaker 1: at the end of the day they cannot confiscate that.
Speaker 1: You know, they could take my gold teeth, they could
Speaker 1: take my liver, if they could take my kidney, right,
Speaker 1: but they can't take my sea friends. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: gives me some piece of my and like ultimately, um,
Speaker 1: and they can only kind of fund themselves to FA money.
Speaker 1: So we know that that's that's a path to annihilation.
Speaker 1: So we get to get at the last laugh and
Speaker 1: hopefully in the craziness of the world that we have
Speaker 1: right now, people are realizing that if you want to
Speaker 1: remain free, you might have to be able to move
Speaker 1: around a little bit, and so you want to be
Speaker 1: able to be agile with your wealth. And if you're
Speaker 1: you know, if we look back to Nazi Germany early
Speaker 1: days and not to Germany, um, the rich, the rich
Speaker 1: Jews in Germany, they didn't want to leave because they
Speaker 1: had all their wealth and they were stuck there, right,
Speaker 1: and so being able to have that wealthy portable right Germany,
Speaker 1: So being able to be portable with your wealth is
Speaker 1: going to be a massive benefit in these coming years.
Speaker 1: I think that's the key difference that is actually possible.
Speaker 1: You have digital gold that is completely portable, and you
Speaker 1: can't do it with gold or silver, it's not portable
Speaker 1: like yeah, so that's it's a very remarkable thing. So
Speaker 1: there will be bitcoiners left over after the Fiat holocaust.
Speaker 1: There will be bigcoiners remaining who can restart civilization and
Speaker 1: we'll be fucking like funnies and restarting humankind as bitcoiners.
Speaker 1: You know that there may only be you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many left the big coiners troop bitcoiners
Speaker 1: that they will be inherent civilization and we will have
Speaker 1: to start over again. We have to avoid large gatherings
Speaker 1: so they don't take us all out at one time.
Speaker 1: That's decentralized, decized everywhere there's that will be a pocket. Right.
Speaker 1: So let's say that the U. S. Military decided to
Speaker 1: drop a nuclear bomb on a Texas bit mining farm. Okay,
Speaker 1: they'll still be farming in Iceland. Yea. So we saw
Speaker 1: the network go down in China exactly, didn't even do anything, exactly,
Speaker 1: did not hurt TikTok, next block and stop. The Bitcoin
Speaker 1: protocol kept going and going and going. That's our savior.
Speaker 1: You know. We want to make it to the other
Speaker 1: side so we can be pro creating, starting civilization in
Speaker 1: a massive orgy of bitcoin. Let's do it. Yeah, well good,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot of stuff that we went through.
Speaker 1: I love I love that point of just being hard
Speaker 1: to kill that decentralized and just waiting long enough because
Speaker 1: we know the system is going to fall apart, and
Speaker 1: so we'll do that. So and you've been a big mortal.
Speaker 1: It's immortal. Bitcoin is immortal. Yeah right, So it has
Speaker 1: a mysterious origin, it performs miracles, and it's immortal. Where
Speaker 1: have we seen that before? We've seen that narrative last
Speaker 1: a few thousand years. Yeah, so yeah, bitcoin as the
Speaker 1: second coming of Christ is a viable idea. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so. It's a distributed Christ. Well, definitely, its blooming
Speaker 1: and you know, a billion simultaneously, the same revelation that
Speaker 1: love be take. It's all happening at one time, and
Speaker 1: imagine Christ two point out the essentially a bitcoin. Yeah. Nice,
Speaker 1: Well that will wrap it up. I can't wait for
Speaker 1: the party tomorrow night. I'm sure. I'm sure we'll get
Speaker 1: to hear plenty of those rants. I can't I can't
Speaker 1: wait for that energy. Yeah, what else you want to say?
Speaker 1: Anyone else? You want to talk about more events coming up?
Speaker 1: Or uh? Well no, I mean we got something coming
Speaker 1: up in Paris, and and you know, I lived in
Speaker 1: France for fourteen years, and so I know France very well.
Speaker 1: I know Paris very well. I'd love to go back
Speaker 1: to France anytime I can. And and then from there,
Speaker 1: we're not sure, but we can, As you say, it's
Speaker 1: very agile, we can hopefully do more of these events
Speaker 1: that get people down into these kind of revival events.
Speaker 1: So follow Max on Twitter and on YouTube, and that
Speaker 1: way you can find out where he's gonna be, and
Speaker 1: when he does the Paris event, it much thank you, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right,