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Speaker 1: and I gotta gun it. And it's called Caderyl Hodge.

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Speaker 1: Thirty five five pive home safely.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gunness, sucko to the gate, caderrel, Was you serious?

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Speaker 1: A walk off for Carderyl Hodge and the Falcons.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to NFL Daily. Yes, uh, we are serious. Kirk

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Speaker 3: Cousins just did that thirty six to thirty. The Falcons

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Speaker 3: get it done in overtime. That was West Durham on

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Speaker 3: Archer two, by the way, joined by a legend of

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Speaker 3: the game, one of the best players in Bucks history.

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Speaker 4: He's shaking his head right now.

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Speaker 5: Gerald.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to deliver a better ending for your Buccaneers here,

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Speaker 3: but that was one hell of a football game they

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Speaker 5: Sorry about that, man.

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Speaker 2: We as Buccaneers just don't have great fortune on Thursday

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: I said it before the game. I had us picked,

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Speaker 2: but for some reason on Thursday night versus these freaking Falcons, man,

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Speaker 2: there's something about this. Kirk Cousins Falcons team in overtime.

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Speaker 2: But it's every Kirk Cousins team.

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Speaker 3: It was back when he was with Washington, it's back

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Speaker 3: obviously with Minnesota. It's these crazy primetime games he played.

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Speaker 3: The difference is lately he's been winning them. What a

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Speaker 3: wild ending to this game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you hate to see it as a buccaneer, buccaneer fan, player, coach, whatever,

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Speaker 5: What a way to end it. Man, Atlanta fought for

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Speaker 5: that one. I give him that. You lose those type,

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Speaker 5: you just gotta let them have it.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 5: They earned that one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is seriously testing your professionalism having to come

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. But I'm a professional, Joe. I gotta

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Of course.

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Speaker 3: Gerald McCoy on Game Day Morning on NFL Network, the

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Speaker 3: great podcast that he has with Kyle Van Noy, He's

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Speaker 3: popping out on Gil's arena over an underdog. So he

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Speaker 3: is doing it all and yet we're gonna break down

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Speaker 3: Jesse Bates did it once again.

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Speaker 4: He saved our team.

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Speaker 3: This guy, who's one of the best defensive players at

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Speaker 3: three minutes to go or so and gives the Falcons

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Speaker 3: another chance. And you think, oh, that's gonna be the

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Speaker 3: and your former teammate, the ageless Levante David picks off

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Speaker 3: a pass. At that point, what are you thinking as

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Speaker 3: Then that yes, then that has you got your cousins

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Speaker 3: I thought it was the smart decision by Raheem Morris

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Speaker 3: He went for a fourth and three that led to

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Speaker 2: And what happens is is at the end of the games,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really crazy because you train all offseason, you

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Speaker 2: Yes, like we wouldn't make the proper adjustments. I don't

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Speaker 3: This one was a little different though, because man, he

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Speaker 3: But you're feeling even better if you're a Falcons fan,

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Speaker 3: I would say, okay. So in that drive, Cousins eventually

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Speaker 3: He throws it in completion where Zion McCollum, who's been

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Speaker 1: Snap to Cousins, He's looking to cut it loose quick

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Speaker 3: Wow, that to me was the play right there. I

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Speaker 3: So proud of you, Greg, I mean, I'm proud to

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Speaker 4: Did they put you in the Ring of Honnor yet

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Speaker 3: for that Falcons Bucks game. I was nine years old

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Speaker 3: I was like Jerald. I was like, oh, yeah, that

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Speaker 5: No, you can't, man, you you have to.

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Speaker 2: Stay even kell because this game of momentum shifts, you know,

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Speaker 3: Right, And they like there were just so many ups

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Speaker 3: I have some next gen stats here. He only threw

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Speaker 5: You shouldn't be able to.

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Speaker 2: And it goes to this testament to what I said

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Speaker 2: this past week on game day morning. The Bucks struggle

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Speaker 2: But they wasn't making Kurt move enough, and we just

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Speaker 2: got to get more coordinated up front. Now, we did

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Speaker 2: that's why I said we had to get Kurt uncomfortable,

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Speaker 5: That's why he was just sitting back, just picking us apart.

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Speaker 2: He's really good man. You got some guys who just

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Speaker 2: That's why getting a Kirk Cousins drafting to Michael Pennock

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Speaker 2: And I hate that Atlanta figured out that throwing Michael

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Speaker 4: That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Like Kirk has been getting a little better mostly each

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Speaker 3: He's always thrown a pretty football. Yeah, Taylor's en watching

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Speaker 3: But he was great tonight. Other than that drop. We

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And what it is is when everybody was saying

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Speaker 5: You see, Mike is just Mike. Mike has been Mike

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Speaker 2: But having a quarterback that you have chemistry with, that's

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Speaker 3: message to the schedule makers. I'm sure you agree with

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Speaker 3: this best when you were a player. We don't need

439
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Speaker 3: to just put the NFC South in primetime at the

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Speaker 3: beginning of the season when we're opposite baseball. We should

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Speaker 3: be putting NFC South in primetime all the time. It's

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Speaker 3: a good time.

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Speaker 4: There's no division quite like the NFC South.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the crazy part is a lot of people

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Speaker 2: thought the NFC South would be like one of the

446
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Speaker 2: worst divisions going into the season. But Atlanta, they're fighters,

447
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Speaker 2: New Orleans is better than we thought. Carolina is all

448
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Speaker 2: over the place. But you know, you got the Buccaneers,

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Speaker 2: who obviously have been playing great up to this point.

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Speaker 2: Even tonight the game was not like neither team play bad.

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Speaker 2: There was just no margin for air. Like you said

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Speaker 2: and I said before the game, like we can't go

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Speaker 2: kickfield goals. We gotta go get points versus Atlanta, especially

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Speaker 2: on Thursday night. Man, I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of things Atlanta on Thursday night and

456
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Speaker 2: our creamsickle freaking jerseys. It's like it's something about those

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Speaker 2: cream fickle jerseys Land on Thursday night with the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 5: Man, it's just I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 2: Man, I don't believe in curses anything like that, but

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Speaker 2: it ain't. It ain't been great for us over the

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Speaker 2: last ten ten or so years.

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Speaker 3: Well, you get a chance to, yeah, maybe put the

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Speaker 3: creamsicles on and beat Atlanta. Uh back in Tampa. I

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Speaker 3: don't know later in the season that'll end up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not for him. We just we just we

466
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Speaker 2: losing them, stop wearing them. And the funny thing is

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Speaker 2: the Glazers are superstitious. So if we keep losing in

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Speaker 2: the ease. Stop wearing them, please.

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Speaker 4: I love it all right.

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Speaker 3: So before before we let you go here, I do

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Speaker 3: have a couple of little items. I did want to

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Speaker 3: give some love again to your former teammate.

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Speaker 4: Who.

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Speaker 3: Man, he's building a Hall of Fame case like you

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Speaker 3: did during your career.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Let's listen to Mike Evans having a big time noteworthy

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Speaker 3: touchdown earlier in this game.

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Speaker 8: The Bucks line up and a shotgun set with two

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Speaker 8: receivers lying to the left, one to the way Baker

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Speaker 8: Mayfield both high snap loops, slip slips, throws up on

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Speaker 8: toward the end zone. He's got average, he's got a

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Speaker 8: touch stuffs, have about habits, has two Welcome to Atlanta,

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Speaker 8: number thirteen doing his thing.

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Speaker 3: That's a that's one hundred career touchdowns. Gerald one hundred man.

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Speaker 3: That was a cold bloody route. And Mike, Mike is funny. Man,

487
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Speaker 3: Mike do some stuff where you like Mike. That didn't

488
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Speaker 3: mean nothing to you.

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Speaker 2: He was like, man, whatever, you know, I just you know,

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Speaker 2: he just Mike always shrug everything off. But he really

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Speaker 2: loves what he does. He puts the working time in.

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Speaker 2: He learned from a great mentor and Vincent Jackson rest

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Speaker 2: the piece of Vincent Jackson. He taught him how to

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Speaker 2: be what we used to call the ultimate pro, which

495
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Speaker 2: is what Vincent Jackson was. You know, when Mike first

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Speaker 2: came into the league, he was a chubby kid from Texas.

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Speaker 2: Now a big body could play the game. He's he's

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Speaker 2: a little chubby, fat face. Then he realized, Okay, let

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Speaker 2: me get my body in shape. Let me take care

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Speaker 2: of myself so I can play longer. I can I

501
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Speaker 2: can sustain this level of play for a long period

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Speaker 2: of time. And that's what Mike has done. He's a

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Speaker 2: measure of consistency. If you need consistency, put Mike Evans

504
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Speaker 2: bitcher right next to it. And he's just been incredible man.

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Speaker 2: And he said that he wanted his hundredth catch the ball.

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Speaker 2: He wanted his hundredth catch receiving touchdown. I mean that

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Speaker 2: was his hundred touchdown. He wants this hundred time receiving touchdown.

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Speaker 2: That's the ball he's gonna keep because he just keep

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Speaker 2: giving the ball away.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's a that's a good point. There was I

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Speaker 3: think a fumble recovery touchdown and here, Yeah, it's bad ass.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the cool things about the Bucks that

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Speaker 3: they has been there for a while.

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Speaker 4: Godwin. You were with Godwin for a couple of years too.

515
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Speaker 5: His rookie year. I was there. Yeah, m hm.

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Speaker 3: And he's consistent and it's really been cool, actually because

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Speaker 3: I really loved him in his first few years in

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Speaker 3: the league, just what he could do after the catch,

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Speaker 3: and you could you could tell the injuries for a

520
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Speaker 3: couple of years affected him. But he looks like he's

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Speaker 3: all the way back. He's a contract, he's gonna get

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Speaker 3: paid again.

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Speaker 4: Like that, They are a lot to deal with.

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Speaker 3: They were missing actually their number three and number four

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Speaker 3: receivers tonight, and then another receiver went down. So, like

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Speaker 3: I said, I think both of these teams get out

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Speaker 3: of the first five games of the season feeling pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned my buddy Walker speaking of Mike Evans. My

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Speaker 3: son Walker is a fan of yours, and so it's

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Speaker 3: his bedtime.

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Speaker 4: He's gone.

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Speaker 3: We're not letting him stay up to watch the end

533
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Speaker 3: of the game or watch this show. But he did

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Speaker 3: want to send a little message to you, So we're

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Speaker 3: going to listen to that now.

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Speaker 5: Jerald.

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Speaker 10: Hi, mister McCourt, I like your show on Sunday mornings,

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Speaker 10: and I have a question for you. Is Mike Evans

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Speaker 10: going to be in the Hall of Fame? Prom Walker?

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Speaker 2: I love it, man, I love it. I'm a dad's dad,

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Speaker 2: I'm a family man to my core. I got five kids, man,

542
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Speaker 2: and I was just in a car and over earlier

543
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: with my ten year old to my five year old.

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Speaker 2: So h man, hearing that little voice, I'm so used

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Speaker 2: to hearing it. It's incredible to hear from Walker and

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Speaker 2: uh Walker to answer your question. Yes, I think we

547
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Speaker 2: questioned whether Mike Evans should be in the Hall of

548
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Speaker 2: Fame or not, and the question should be be a

549
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Speaker 2: first ballot or not. But Mike Evans for sure like that.

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Speaker 2: Mike Evans for sure is a Hall of Famer. Walker,

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Speaker 2: you are hall of Famer. From Gerald and his family

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Speaker 2: to you, guys, we love you so much. Walker, and

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Speaker 2: I definitely appreciate your question and all your love and

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Speaker 2: your support.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a big fan and he's going to have

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Speaker 3: a smile ear to ear when I when we wake

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Speaker 3: up tomorrow and I'll play him that. That is awesome.

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Speaker 3: Tough night for your box. Appreciate the professionalism. The very

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Speaker 3: last thing we're gonna do here Cherld. We actually are

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Speaker 3: going to give a little bit of love to someone

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Speaker 3: you went against.

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Speaker 4: It on the night where they they honored Matt Ryan.

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Speaker 3: We are just gonna listen to just one little clip

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Speaker 3: from from a guy that you've faced off against.

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Speaker 11: To the Falcons fans, Atlanta has become my home.

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Speaker 12: You have become my extended family. I want you to

567
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Speaker 12: know it was the thrill of a lifetime to be

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Speaker 12: your quarterback. Every day I was trying to be the

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Speaker 12: best I could for this organization and for you. I

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Speaker 12: will never have another job that I loved as much

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Speaker 12: as the one I had here.

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Speaker 3: So that's That's a guy, Matt Ryan, that you went against.

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Speaker 3: It's making me feel old a little bit that Matt

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Speaker 3: Ryan's going to the Ring of Honor and Roddy White's

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Speaker 3: up there, And do you have any any Matt Ryan

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Speaker 3: you know, facing off against Matt Ryan, what that was like?

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Speaker 4: Story?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Mattie ice Man and calling him Matty

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Speaker 2: Ice is like a cardinal seeing for a rival, you know,

580
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Speaker 2: and for an opponent. But I love him to death.

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Speaker 2: Matt Ryan is one of the best competitors I've ever faced.

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Speaker 2: And Matt Ryan is actually where I learned the term flammable.

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Speaker 2: I used to use He's flammable man, And he was

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Speaker 2: one of those people when he gets started, if you

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Speaker 2: don't if you don't stop him early, he's flammable, especially

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Speaker 2: in that building. And that's why I knew that building

587
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Speaker 2: is so electric. Who's ever a quarterback? And I faced

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Speaker 2: off against two guys that were there at the same time.

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Speaker 2: I faced off against him and Roddy White, but also

590
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Speaker 2: freaking Julio Jones. So I had to deal with all

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Speaker 2: that over my time in Tampa.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: But Matty Ice, everything he's getting he deserves. He for

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Speaker 2: sure should put on that gold jacket with Mike Evans,

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Speaker 2: along with Julio Jones and my buddy Lavonte David, And

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Speaker 2: you know, it's just a It was a great run

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Speaker 2: playing against Matty Ice.

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Speaker 5: Actually, when.

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Speaker 2: My last game as a Buccaneer was versus the Falcons,

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Speaker 2: and I had a feeling, wasn't too sure if I

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Speaker 2: was coming back and that, but I had like a

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Speaker 2: little inkling. So I told Maddy Ice, I said, hey, listen,

603
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Speaker 2: this may be my last time in the NFC South.

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Speaker 2: Can I have your jersey? And he signed it for me.

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Speaker 2: I got Matt Ryan's jersey man and a freaking incredible

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Speaker 2: career as an Atlanta Falcon.

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Speaker 5: Love competing against Matty Ice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just think of how he came

609
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Speaker 3: into the league. I remember his very first game, him

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Speaker 3: having this crazy drive at the end to get it done,

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Speaker 3: and that was his career. Although I got to say

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Speaker 3: not to annoy both fan bases here. When the Bucks

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Speaker 3: backed up out of field goal range in that spot,

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Speaker 3: it reminded me so much of the Falcon Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: after Julio made that catch that you go in history

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Speaker 3: as one of the greatest catches of all time, and

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Speaker 3: that one of the greatest throws of all time in

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl and they're in field goal range and

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Speaker 3: they're probably gonna win it, and then they get a

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Speaker 3: holding penalty to back them up and they give the

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Speaker 3: Patriots another chance, and that kind of happened to your

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Speaker 3: Bucks tonight. They give the Falcons the other chance, and Hey,

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Speaker 3: the new the new Mattie Ice, kirk o chains, he's

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Speaker 3: swagsurfing out there, he's clutched, and it's gonna be a

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Speaker 3: fun year in the NFC South.

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Speaker 4: We'll be watching you Gerald.

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Speaker 3: Listen to your podcast with with Kyle voyant van Ney

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Speaker 3: at Yahoo. Check him out Game Day Morning.

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Speaker 2: Now, Who's Sports check us out every Tuesday, NFL Game

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Speaker 2: Day Morning, every Sunday morning.

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Speaker 5: Best show on TV. I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 5: so much, no problem.

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Speaker 3: Walker's favorite Gerald McCoy. All right, I am flying after that,

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Speaker 3: and yet this show's not even over. After the break,

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Speaker 3: I want to throw to a conversation Jordan Rodriege and

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Speaker 3: I had with Ron Rivera, who's yeah now working at

637
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Speaker 3: NFL Network. We picked his brain about some of the

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Speaker 3: most fascinating defenses of the season. Was a really fun

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Speaker 3: conversation that'll be after the break back on NFL Daily

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Speaker 3: and back in the Chris Westling podcast studio.

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Speaker 6: Here.

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Speaker 3: Really excited to be joined by my friend Jordan rod

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Speaker 3: Rieg of the Athletic and my new friend. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if I can call him a friend, but we've

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Speaker 3: met a few times now. Ron Rivera maybe a friend

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Speaker 3: of Jordan's here, former coach of the Washington Commanders and

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Speaker 3: the Carolina Panthers, and he's just chilling here at NFL Media.

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Speaker 3: Before we turned on the camera, he was so comfortable.

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Speaker 3: He had his famous amous cookies out and his bag

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Speaker 3: on the table. And we're like, we're recording this, Ron,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna take it away. But I love the I

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Speaker 3: love the shirt for our YouTube audience too.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: Well, something very important is happening exactly one month from now. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: we got to make vote yes. Yes, But thank you Greg,

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much. Jordan's always great to be with you.

657
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Speaker 13: I'm so happy.

658
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Speaker 9: This is very surreal for me to be sitting first

659
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Speaker 9: of all, on the same side of like a lectern

660
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Speaker 9: or a desk or something with you, Ron, after covering

661
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 9: you for so many years. But then also I'm really

662
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Speaker 9: happy because we're going to talk about defense today, among

663
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Speaker 9: other things, and Ron just has such great perspective to

664
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Speaker 9: lend for.

665
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Speaker 13: Us on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we thought it'd be fun to talk with Ron

667
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Speaker 3: about the defenses that we find the most fascinating so far.

668
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: And so we're not we're not ranking them, we're not

669
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Speaker 3: seeing these are the best, but just ones that would

670
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Speaker 3: be interesting to talk about, Ron, because it's it's a

671
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: year for defense, yes, right now, like it's happening. It's

672
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: it's the run game, it's defense. We've been waiting sort

673
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: of for this push and pull. It started a little

674
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: bit last year and it's definitely happening more aggressively right now.

675
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Speaker 7: It is because I think the game is changing again.

676
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 6: You know, every so many years you see this kind

677
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 6: of trend going one direction to the other, you know,

678
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 6: and I think the trend now is heading towards running again.

679
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 6: And part of the reason because I think the defensive

680
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 6: players have gotten smaller. Because the defensive players have gotten smaller,

681
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 6: you see offenses being more physical, more aggressive upfront. People

682
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 6: are running the ball more. We talked about this earlier.

683
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 6: Rushing yards are up compared to the passing yards which

684
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Speaker 6: are down. So that's something that I think is due

685
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Speaker 6: to the fact that defensive players are getting smaller, quicker,

686
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 6: but the offensive linemen are getting bigger, more physical, and

687
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 6: they're athletic.

688
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 13: Yeah, in part, that's the domination of the spread.

689
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 9: Obviously, that's forcing defenders to be more hybrid, smaller, framed,

690
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 9: more multiple, play them in the box, plan back deep

691
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 9: if you have to, keeping a shell over the back

692
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 9: of things like we have heard some people yelling about

693
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Speaker 9: on TV. Not you, Ron, never you, but other people

694
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 9: yelling about on TV. But you know, it is interesting

695
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 9: because we are in sort of a sea change and

696
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 9: one of those things and some of the defense we're

697
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 9: going to talk about today are built for it and

698
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 9: some are interestingly built for the past, but still doing

699
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 9: some cool stuff.

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Speaker 13: Yes, for the present.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk about him.

702
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: So I guess I want to start with the Vikings

703
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: because they are They are the team that is the

704
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: most gonzo. They are the team that you watch and

705
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: you think, like, what exactly are they doing?

706
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 4: Now?

707
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: They've been blitzing for a minute now with Brian Flores,

708
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: and their blitz rates still very high, second in the league.

709
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: But to your point, they are going very light like

710
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: they play with their dime defense I think thirty one

711
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: percent of the time, which is the most in the league.

712
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 3: And so they have three safeties on the field quite

713
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 3: a bit. They use them in all these creative ways

714
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 3: Harrison Smith, Josh Mantelis Cam Binden. But they also have

715
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: three cornerbacks on the field quite a bit, so they

716
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: essentially have six starters. Like, how do you see this

717
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: Vikings team? Like how are they doing it?

718
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 7: Well? The biggest thing is, too, is upfront, they're very stout.

719
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Speaker 6: They still play very physical, whether it's four down linemen

720
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 6: and a linebacker, n four down a lineman and two linebackers.

721
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 6: One of the things that coach Flores does very well

722
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 6: is they're very simplistic in terms of some of the

723
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 6: things that they do, and they're very good at being

724
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 6: very basic. But then the complexity gets you because of

725
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 6: the pressures. The way he uses the pressure is the

726
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 6: way he he mixes up his coverages. He's not always

727
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 6: sitting in the same thing, and because of the different

728
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 6: personnel groupings that he's willing to match up with, sometimes

729
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 6: you get mismatches in the defensive favor as opposed to

730
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 6: offenses always getting the positive mismatches.

731
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Speaker 9: Yeah, ron, I wanted to ask you this from your

732
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 9: perspective as someone who has called defensive signals and plays

733
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 9: and had had to counter offenses and communicate with the

734
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 9: with the mic and really make sure that those counters

735
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 9: are implemented with your defense. You hear some of the

736
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 9: former players in that system talk about how late the

737
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 9: call is getting into the green dot and how late

738
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 9: it's getting communicated, not in a bad way, in a

739
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 9: way that he's almost giving them a third counter, especially

740
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 9: with all this pre snap motion that offenses are using

741
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 9: to try to take the teeth out of some of

742
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 9: the pressure.

743
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Speaker 13: He does run or some of the formation changes they use.

744
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Speaker 9: So from your perspective, like, if you're going to do

745
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 9: it that late, you kind of see it the way

746
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 9: they built their defensive roster with those veterans, what are

747
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 9: key elements of that communication to add that that late counter,

748
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 9: that third counter right up until the snap.

749
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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, the biggest thing you just said

750
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 6: was about having veterans, having the right kind of guys

751
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 6: back there that are you what I call air traffic controllers.

752
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 6: They're the guys that are making those decisions, making those

753
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 6: late checks all of a sudden, And so what you

754
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,479
Speaker 6: have to do is you do have to have very bright,

755
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 6: intelligent guys that can help make those calls and checks

756
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 6: and get them across to everybody. But also you also

757
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 6: got to have guys that are committed to the work

758
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 6: ethic of what it's going to take. And with Coach Flores,

759
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 6: I promise you they're walkthroughs, their meetings, those things are

760
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 6: very very good. I mean they're constantly probably talking about

761
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 6: what ifs, how can we handle these things, and what

762
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 6: are our adjustments. You know, back in the day they're

763
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 6: called AFC's automatic fronts and coverages based on what you

764
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 6: get from them from the from the offense, you check

765
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 6: on defense. I learned that from Buddy Ryan, Rex Ryan

766
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 6: and Rob Brian use some of that when they were

767
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 6: coaching in the league as full time coordinators and head coaches.

768
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 6: Those guys were always thinking that, again, we want to

769
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 6: put our defense in the best defense to match with

770
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Speaker 6: the offense potentially does these formations.

771
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Speaker 9: It's interesting though, because now offenses are giving more questions

772
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 9: to the defense. They're asking they're asking him to declare

773
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 9: what they're going to do, essentially earlier in the snap,

774
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 9: earlier before the snap than ever. So the fact that

775
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 9: he can make a second check and safety's joke about this,

776
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 9: Oh maybe one day we'll finally win because we'll get

777
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 9: a third check. Well, Brian Flores is able to give

778
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 9: that third check because he can lean on the communication element.

779
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 9: Let's talk about that too, because they are they're on

780
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 9: a you know, the cliche is they're on a line together.

781
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 13: But a phone line too.

782
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Speaker 9: I mean, they're not able to talk to each other

783
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 9: like directly in the helmets, but the fact that they

784
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 9: can communicate in this way, they're kind of gaming the

785
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 9: system a little bit with what offenses are trying to

786
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 9: get them to tell them. First of all, they're not

787
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 9: showing what they're actually going to do because they're they're

788
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 9: countering it with that check or that rotation so late

789
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 9: in the down or in the snap.

790
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 7: And that's so important.

791
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 6: Again, you know, it's not just about being able to

792
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 6: disguise what you want to do and give the presentation

793
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 6: to Hey, we're going to play this type of cover

794
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 6: because we got a safety tilting that direction. Okay, that

795
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 6: could be a false key. You know again, just because

796
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 6: I'm tilted doesn't mean necessarily I'm gonna stay down, or

797
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 6: I'm a lined up over the top of the number

798
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 6: two receiver and the nickels cheating in like he's gonna

799
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 6: go ahead and run a pressure, you know what I'm saying.

800
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 6: So again, disguise is just as important and being in

801
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 6: tune with one another so that if I see he's

802
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 6: stepping down, okay for this specific call, that doesn't necessarily

803
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 6: mean on the quarterback sides, oh they're rotating that direction. No,

804
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 6: we could be doing something different because I know he's

805
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 6: moving this. He's telling me something else.

806
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 4: Right.

807
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: The quarterbacks just seem like they're confused. They're holding the

808
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: ball longer we were talking at our desks Jordan about that.

809
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: It might take a quarterback, you know, really being confident

810
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: to spot throw because there are gonna be holes here.

811
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: If if you're blitzing a lot and they blitz about

812
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 3: forty percent time, it's actually less than last year, and

813
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: you're dropping a up safeties back, it's a that's a

814
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: strange way to do it, but that's that's kind of.

815
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Speaker 4: What they're doing.

816
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 3: They're trying to, in theory, have an umbrella over everything.

817
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: There should be some spots to hit on the field.

818
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 3: Are they kind of willing to give up some big

819
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: plays in order to make some big plays? If you're

820
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: Brian Flores, you need maybe a quarterback like a Gino

821
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: or an Aaron Rodgers or some sort of veteran that's

822
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 3: a little stafford, a little more confident throwing into those

823
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: areas when you're playing a defense like that, and you

824
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: don't find many quarters backs like that in a league anymore.

825
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 7: No, because again, what.

826
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Speaker 6: They're trying to do more for anything else is if

827
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 6: they're going to give anything up, they're going to give

828
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 6: things underneath yep up. And again a lot of things

829
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 6: they're going to do, we're gonna also be based on

830
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 6: down and distance. You know, understanding that Hey, second and long, Hey,

831
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 6: it's okay, Yeah, they complete something quick underneath, we'll drive down,

832
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 6: we'll make the tackle, we'll be in third down, or

833
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 6: if it's third and long, hey, we're willing to give

834
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 6: this up because again it's about making the tackle, getting

835
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 6: them down, getting out of the situation, forcing the punt.

836
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 7: So again, a lot of the things that they do

837
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 7: are all calculated.

838
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Speaker 6: I promise you Coach Flores is really looked at these things,

839
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 6: thought about these opportunities, put them in the game plan.

840
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 6: He's got guys that are understanding that can communicate that

841
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 6: to the guys that are lining up out there on

842
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 6: the defensive side.

843
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 9: It's an interesting way to ask, like to dare a quarterback.

844
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 9: We think about daring the quarterback with the pressure, right,

845
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 9: but you're daring a quarterback essentially. If you want to

846
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 9: beat us, if I'm Brian Flores and the Vikings event,

847
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 9: if you want to beat us, you have to play

848
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 9: truly blind football in a way, because when you talk

849
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 9: about spot throw, is what Greg's saying is throwing to

850
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 9: a landmark on the field without maybe even seeing where

851
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 9: that is. Because there's so much pressure coming into your face,

852
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 9: and it's going to be underneath. It's not going to

853
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 9: be the explosive pass play. So you have to play

854
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 9: this like ego list blind football, and quarterbacks don't want

855
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 9: to do that.

856
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 4: No, they don't. There a second right now.

857
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: In EPA, per play fifth in success rate, So their

858
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: top team in terms of total efficiency in DVOA. If

859
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: you want to get into the numbers, and I just

860
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 3: you gotta be appreciate coaching because what I just from

861
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: a more of a layman can understand is when a

862
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: new coach comes in and the players that were there

863
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: before are performing better in certain aspects. Harrison Smith, we

864
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 3: thought was maybe getting towards the end of his career.

865
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 3: I swear he's playing as good as he's ever played.

866
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: Josh Mattelis no one's ever heard of Josh Mittelis before.

867
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: They got him play in six different positions. He's paying

868
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 3: down lineman and he's like a safety. They got him

869
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: playing linebacker, they got him playing safety, they got him

870
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: playing cornerback. He's a really key part Cam bind him.

871
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 3: You have guys at cornerback that are like journeyman Gilmore

872
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: and Byron Murphy.

873
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 4: Is a nice signing.

874
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 3: But with Shaq Griffin and they're all playing I think

875
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: better and they understand what the coach is asking him

876
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: to do exactly.

877
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 6: And I think one of the things too, is when

878
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 6: you've got guys with the same skill set, okay, and

879
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 6: now all of a sudden, you can sit there and say, well,

880
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 6: they can't create the mismatch that they want. We can

881
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 6: create the mismatch. Why because we have three guys out

882
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 6: of the same skill set, whether they be three dbs

883
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 6: or corners, or they'd be three line safeties. Now, all

884
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 6: of a sudden, you have one guy that come down

885
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 6: and play like a linebacker, and you say, well, the

886
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 6: other two can't. Well, all of a sudden, you start motion,

887
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, instead of these guys chasing him,

888
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 6: they rotate the other direction. You can go, okay, so

889
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 6: now we know they're in the zone. But guess what

890
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 6: they're playing, man?

891
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Usually when a guy

892
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 7: runs across what he got what you usually got, man.

893
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 13: And I love that.

894
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 9: I love that they're countering motion this way because motion,

895
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 9: like I mentioned before, it exists in part. There's a

896
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 9: lot of other things now that coach smart coaches are

897
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 9: doing with it. It exists in part to get the

898
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 9: defense to tell you what coverages they're playing. It's an

899
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 9: information seeking tool. Now, of course there's formation changes things

900
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 9: like that, but they're not giving any information and in fact,

901
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 9: they're getting more from you when you go.

902
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 13: In motion, because then they are going to give another check.

903
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 6: And a great example team that uses motion to id

904
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 6: or to undress the defense is Miami with the way

905
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 6: they take their receivers and they move them over here,

906
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 6: and they put somebody over there, and they put them

907
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 6: in stacks, and what they're looking for is to see

908
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 6: how you align against them. If you align over the top,

909
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 6: they're thinking, okay, we've got man coverag you align shading

910
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 6: on the inside two three yards off on the inside,

911
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 6: they know they got zoned. So again, if you can disguise,

912
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 6: if you can move yourself properly and put yourself in position,

913
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 6: that's one thing. Then if you put yourself in the

914
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 6: right position, can you react and get to where you

915
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 6: need to be? Right examples if if you get motion

916
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 6: outside and you get a linebacker goes that lines up

917
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 6: over the top, and all of a sudden you sit

918
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 6: there and go, wow, we've got man coverage. Well, you've

919
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 6: got a mismatch. You've got Christian McCaffrey against a linebacker. Now,

920
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, where's the safety favor? Now, if

921
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 6: the safety's favor over there helping against Christian McCaffrey, Now

922
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 6: who's that open? Well over here, you know we've got

923
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 6: Debo open or he's one on one because they're showing

924
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 6: single high. That's what the defense, the offenses are looking for.

925
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 6: How does the defense counter that? Well, I can favor

926
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 6: over here, but I can play middle of the formation.

927
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 7: So there's things that you can.

928
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 6: Counter to help, uh, support what you want to do

929
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 6: on defense by again proper disguise and understanding where that

930
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 6: help's going to be.

931
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: It's the defense dictating. I know Ron Rivera loves that.

932
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: It's like it's like when he was on the field

933
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: for the eighty six Bears. We're gonna dictate, not let

934
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: the offense dictate. And Flores has been so fantastic this year.

935
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: I think he will will see how the rest of

936
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: the year goes, but I think he's worthy of getting

937
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: some head coaching interviews. I think that's gonna be an

938
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: interesting moment for the league, considering the litigation that he

939
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: had had with the league, and I really hope that

940
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: it is in a situation where he doesn't get coaching

941
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 3: interviews because that would be a bad look for the league.

942
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: He didn't he didn't last year, which definitely caught my eye,

943
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: and we will see. Well, hold on to that for

944
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: a second. Let's go to Let's go to some other

945
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 3: defenses that we find fascint you throw out a favorite.

946
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: We could go Broncos, we could go Bears. I mean

947
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: the Broncos. I'll throw out the Broncos.

948
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 13: I want to talk about the Bronx.

949
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: The Broncos are surprising to me. They are the team

950
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: that's leading the league in blitzes right now.

951
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 4: It's just crazy.

952
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: Almost half the time they're blitzing and they're just testing

953
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: your protection. And I was surprised that they seem to

954
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: outsmart Aaron Rodgers, who you would think is among the

955
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 3: best play callers in the league, even though he's a

956
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: quarterback and he gets help obviously from his coaching staff

957
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 3: and everything. And their offensive line was a little scrambled

958
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: where that pressure was coming back.

959
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 4: You know, they made him hold the ball.

960
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 3: They hit him fourteen times, they sacked them five times,

961
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: and they've been really effective. I think Vance Joseph maybe

962
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: made the decision maybe we're not the most talented group

963
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: up front. Totally, they're not bad, but like we're gonna

964
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: need to scheme our way into being great.

965
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 6: Well, I think one of the things again, if you

966
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 6: go back and think about what happened last year, people

967
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 6: wanted to see Vance Joseph fired from Denver and again

968
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 6: now all of a sudden he you know, Sean, sticks

969
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 6: with him, gives him the next year coming into it.

970
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 6: And what does that mean, Well, it means that these

971
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 6: guys on defense are now in the same system. They

972
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 6: have a little bit of experience of what you expect

973
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 6: from what coach Joseph wants. And now all of a sudden,

974
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 6: there's this communication aspect, because when you watch these games

975
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 6: and you see these guys, you know, giving the handsignal,

976
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 6: do you see the looks, you see the points, you

977
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 6: see the movement. Now all of a sudden it starts

978
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 6: being put into place. Everything he wants to do is

979
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 6: all based off of these guys communicating. And that's probably

980
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 6: the biggest word that we can use in terms of

981
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 6: why are there are successes. You've got smart players who

982
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 6: can communicate. You've got a defensive coordinators trying to put

983
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 6: these guys in proper position to make place. But they're

984
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 6: also being given tools to Like we talked about earlier,

985
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 6: is we can check, we can go from one coverage

986
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 6: to another. We can show zone and play man. We

987
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 6: can play man and show zone. We can split the

988
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 6: defense and play a quarters on one side, half on

989
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 6: the other, so we can roll up and take away

990
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 6: a specific side of the of the offense. So there's

991
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 6: a lot of tools that these coaches, especially these veteran

992
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 6: guys that you're seeing. You know, these guys are you know,

993
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 6: guys that have the experience that have been have done

994
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 6: it before, and now they've got the players that can

995
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 6: match what they want done.

996
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 13: This is their moment, okay, and I love though.

997
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 9: You know, when we talk about blitzes and extra pressure

998
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 9: and those types of things, it can sound maybe like

999
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 9: it's complicating things, But in the case of the Broncos,

1000
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 9: they've actually made things less complicated in the sense that

1001
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 9: they're playing with this ethos that is very trademark, that

1002
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 9: is rare that people don't actually get a lot of

1003
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 9: these days because they have a shut down elite corner,

1004
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 9: and so you can flex a lot of different coverages.

1005
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 9: Like you said, you can be very malleable and like

1006
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 9: play very free and mathematical on the back end. If

1007
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 9: you have Pat certain who, by the way, has only

1008
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 9: allowed eight catches for eighty five yards through the four

1009
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 9: games when targeted, and that's against receivers that he's shadowed

1010
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 9: of over sixty percent of routes, DK Metcalf, George Pickens,

1011
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 9: Mike Evans, and Garrett Wilson. When you are simplifying things

1012
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 9: in the sense where you're like, all right, I've got

1013
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 9: that guy. Now everything is going to revolve around that

1014
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 9: guy taking away at least three pieces of math for

1015
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 9: the offense because those receivers, those caliber receivers are plus

1016
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 9: three players. So that revolves around taking away that of

1017
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 9: math essentially and then flipping the leverage. Okay, yeah, you

1018
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 9: can send extra secondary players and linebackers to blitz because

1019
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 9: you don't even have to worry about the plus three.

1020
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 9: You can send plus one plus two on your side

1021
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 9: because you've already taken care of plus three. And it's

1022
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 9: it's interesting because they've simplified it in that sense where

1023
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 9: it's like we got a dude so yeah, we're going

1024
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 9: to revolve things around the dude.

1025
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: How do you ever have a cornerback like that that

1026
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: changes the way you coach the rest of your defense?

1027
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 6: You you, you do do that when you have that

1028
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 6: gutten most certainly, and you have guys that are similar

1029
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 6: to that, you can do it as well, whether it's

1030
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 6: at the corner position, the.

1031
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 9: Linebacker position exactly when you had two of them, yes.

1032
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 6: You did, But we have guys like that now, you

1033
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 6: coach everybody else differently because you know that, hey, they're

1034
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 6: not going to need the help inside and coverage. So

1035
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 6: we can take those those those those those safeties and

1036
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 6: play them a little wider. We can play a little

1037
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 6: bit more middle open defense, which you're starting to see

1038
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 6: a lot more right now, is to try and stop

1039
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 6: these passing games. And that's also part of the reason

1040
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 6: why I think there's a little bit more running going on,

1041
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 6: is because teams are playing a little bit more cover

1042
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 6: two shelves, okay, And because of that, you're getting less

1043
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 6: guys in the run box and more guys are running

1044
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 6: the ball. So again, it's about whether you have a

1045
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 6: player or a positional players that you can say, hey,

1046
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 6: you know what we can add one or two and

1047
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 6: take away one or two from them as well. So

1048
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 6: again having guys that are pretty special, you know, Luke Keekley,

1049
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 6: Thomas Davis, those guys, those guys. When you have those

1050
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 6: types of players, that's a special situation. And now, as

1051
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 6: she talked about certain with Denver, now you can roll

1052
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 6: your coverage opposite, okay, and you're gonna say, we're not

1053
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 6: gonna let this particular guy beat us. We're gonna put

1054
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 6: our best guy on him. He's going to know he's

1055
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 6: going to have help to his inside or help over

1056
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 6: the top every now and then. He's not going to

1057
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 6: get a lot of help. And we're going to try

1058
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 6: and eliminate this over here with the other ten.

1059
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 3: We're going to try to help Riley moss Out, who's

1060
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: fighting for his life. On the other side of year,

1061
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: player was hurt last year and teams are going after

1062
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: him and he's holding up. Okay, some penalties, some bad plays,

1063
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: but they they've been very consistent. They're tenth against the past,

1064
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 3: fifth against the run, fifth overall in terms of DVO

1065
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: way and they're they're making it work and it's made

1066
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 3: them watchable because these bow Knicks games.

1067
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 4: This is this is where I feel.

1068
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 3: I feel a little sick because I'm just like I

1069
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 3: kind of missed just I like different flavors. I love

1070
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: me a Gino golf shootout on a Monday night, but

1071
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 3: I kind of like a ten to nine just like,

1072
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: oh man, are either of these teams going to score?

1073
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 4: Slopfest?

1074
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 3: Broncos jet So I like having different flavors in the NFL.

1075
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: Broncos giving us that. Let's talk about your Bears.

1076
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 4: You you can, they'll consider them your Bears. I guess

1077
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 4: you've been going up against them.

1078
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 7: For like the ya but you know what, when you've

1079
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 7: played the Bears, you'll.

1080
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 4: Always okay, okay.

1081
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 13: So you've just in Chicago was great.

1082
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 3: So you've coached against Matt eberflus a couple of times.

1083
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 4: Went and looked. I found a twelve seven Washington victory.

1084
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 3: So their defense was already playing well back then against

1085
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 3: you guys. My question for them, and you can tell

1086
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: me what you just think how they structure things. I've

1087
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: had questions of some teams are they built for this

1088
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four football? Because to me, they're built very

1089
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 3: much on both sides of the ball of like we're

1090
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 3: going to stop the pass, and the numbers would say

1091
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 3: they're one of the very best stopping the pass at

1092
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: getting after the quarterback, and maybe we're not as focused

1093
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 3: on stopping the run offensively. I think they're also kind

1094
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 3: of built to throw the ball and not as much

1095
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 3: to run the ball. And I'm wondering if those teams

1096
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 3: could be in a little bit of trouble this year.

1097
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: They haven't really stopped the run that well. But we

1098
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 3: think of them as like an elite defense. I don't

1099
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 3: know if they're quite there. They're very good in past situations,

1100
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 3: not so much against the run. Is that kind of

1101
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 3: the Eberflus defense or what is it?

1102
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 7: To me?

1103
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 6: What I've always kind of thought Matt is almost a

1104
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 6: a ben don't break type of defense. Keep the game

1105
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 6: close that way during crunch time, something big can happen

1106
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 6: on the defensive side.

1107
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 13: We're special teams.

1108
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 4: I was about Sage.

1109
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 6: That's the one one thing that don't forget about what

1110
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 6: they've done on special teams in terms of they've blocked

1111
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 6: a punt return it for a touchdown. I believe that

1112
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 6: was the Tennessee game.

1113
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, the punter also against the Rams completely iced that

1114
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 9: game out.

1115
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 4: Dorry Taylor.

1116
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 3: I mean, people were getting on him for a fourth

1117
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: round pick that's way more.

1118
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 4: Valuable than the majority of one round games. Come on,

1119
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 4: I mean he really did.

1120
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 6: If you think about where they kept pinning, yeah, I

1121
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 6: mean that, you know you statistically it is it is

1122
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 6: very hard to go eighty yards and score touchdowns. It's

1123
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 6: even harder to go ninety yards and score touchdowns, let

1124
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 6: alone ninety eight yards ago and score touchdowns. So having

1125
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 6: that weapon has really helped their defense again as well,

1126
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 6: because if we can keep them pinned on their side

1127
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 6: of the ball, I mean, ascuse me of the fifty,

1128
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 6: you're going to give your defense opportunities to be successful

1129
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 6: a lot more. Plus what it's going to do is

1130
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 6: create better field position for your offense.

1131
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, they're one of the few teams that I think

1132
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 9: you can genuinely consider that special teams unit as an

1133
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 9: extension of specifically the defense, and especially with you see

1134
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 9: actually that that's part of the plan with the way

1135
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 9: that the Bears are pressuring more in the second half

1136
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 9: versus the first half, and they really dialed things up.

1137
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 9: I saw it in person this this past weekend. You know,

1138
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 9: it's interesting that actually shows you that even though they're

1139
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 9: not usually playing with a lead that they're still going

1140
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 9: to rush the passer or try to dial pressure as

1141
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 9: much as they can on opportunities that other teams are

1142
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 9: throwing the ball and they have to throw the ball.

1143
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 13: Because they're backed up.

1144
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 9: And so that's even if you don't you know, even

1145
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 9: if you're the Bears and you're in a deficit, if

1146
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 9: you can back the other team up, they're going to

1147
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 9: feel like they have to throw the ball against you.

1148
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 6: Teams that have had success against the Bears are always

1149
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 6: in front of the chains. They're not chasing it. And

1150
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 6: if you can get them as the Bears get them

1151
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 6: to chase it, they're going to be very successful in

1152
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 6: a terrific pass rush. You know, Sweat, I think is

1153
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 6: really one of the really really good outside edge rushers

1154
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 6: in this league.

1155
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 7: And he'll continue to do those things for your guy.

1156
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 6: Yes, he is a good, good football player, and he

1157
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 6: has really helped that resurgeon since he got there last season.

1158
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 6: So a lot of big pluses for them as far

1159
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 6: as that's concerned. And again, a lot of things that

1160
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 6: Matt does on defense, for the most part, is very

1161
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 6: solid sound football. They're not doing anything overly extraordinary. What

1162
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 6: they're doing is they're doing the basic things very very well,

1163
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 6: and all the little wrinkles they put in there are

1164
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 6: very good.

1165
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 3: And they've drafted and developed to that strength. They've taken

1166
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 3: a lot of players in the defensive backfield. Some hit quick,

1167
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: some took a little longer, but overall now it's one

1168
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 3: of the best young groups in the entire NFL. They

1169
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: got to try to win that way. But yeah, the

1170
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 3: Bears special teams excelling. We're a long way from Cody

1171
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 3: Parky and the double doink way back in the day

1172
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 3: for the Bears. All right, let's before we let you go,

1173
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 3: let's sort of I don't know, do we have a

1174
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: favorite coach? Actually, you're you know, you're with the Commander

1175
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: last year before we talked like maybe our favorite coaches

1176
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: the year so far? You know, you're are you still

1177
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: in touch with what's going on in Washington.

1178
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 6: Well, I pay attention to what's going on throughout the league,

1179
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 6: and and you know, and I know coach Quinn very well.

1180
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 6: Dan's done a tremendous job. I'm a big fan of his,

1181
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 6: you know, because again I had to compete again, thinking

1182
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 6: almost every every every year when we were in Carolina

1183
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 6: and then you know, he goes to Dallas and I

1184
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 6: finally thought I got rid of and he's in Dallas,

1185
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 6: and now deal with that again. I stayed in touch

1186
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 6: with with Dan and big fan of what he's done.

1187
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 6: Also a big fan of Cliff Kingsbury. But but he's

1188
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 6: doing for the Commanders and and and he's dealing with

1189
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 6: Jaye and Daniels has been tremendous.

1190
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 7: It really has.

1191
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 6: You know, Jane's done a tremendous job learning and growing

1192
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 6: and continue to develop. And Cliff probably one of the

1193
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 6: biggest things and best things they did. Knowing that this

1194
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 6: this is their guy, he went out and tried to

1195
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 6: find out what he did best at LSU Okay, and

1196
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 6: took that and kind of morphed that and evolved his offense.

1197
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 6: And now this quarterback is not just necessarily learning a

1198
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 6: whole new thing as much he's learning to do what

1199
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 6: he does best and improve upon it. And the young

1200
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 6: man has worked very very.

1201
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 7: Hard for them.

1202
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, and to expand even further. We see the best

1203
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 9: coaches and coordinators do this. We see them do that

1204
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 9: research to not just say here is my system and

1205
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 9: you are going to run the plays in my system,

1206
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 9: and we have selected you because you're a fit in

1207
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 9: my system. Instead, you identify plus traits, exceptional traits, and

1208
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 9: you select. It's not the whole playbook, but you select

1209
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 9: from a bucket of those plays that are plus plus plays,

1210
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 9: or that are comfortable plays, or that are plays that

1211
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 9: you can understand make a difference in that quarterback.

1212
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 6: And as you know, we did that in Carolina. We

1213
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 6: did that with Cam Newton, Rob Chazyinski, Mike Schule. They

1214
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 6: go down and they spend time with Auburn. They learn

1215
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 6: as to what they did and how they use Cam Newton,

1216
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 6: found try to find out what best fit Cam and

1217
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 6: then they took those things and they mixed them and

1218
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 6: put them together and created the offense that we used

1219
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 6: in Carolina for for for all those years with Cam Newton.

1220
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 9: Odds are odds that Mike Shula was down in the

1221
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 9: Auburn heat still wearing the same hoodie.

1222
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, probably Mike's and Mike is a creature of having.

1223
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: Little Mike Shula inside joke. I love it between these two.

1224
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know what you guys are talking about.

1225
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

1226
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 4: Though.

1227
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 3: It's cool to me that you mentioned you were on

1228
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: the phone with Cliff and everything that like, you know,

1229
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 3: you were there last year and you're you're talking about

1230
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 3: and hearing about the things that.

1231
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 4: That he's doing with Jane. That's just that's football.

1232
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 7: Is it really is? It's football, I mean, and that's

1233
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 7: what it's about. It's about the business of the game.

1234
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 6: And when you see coaches do some really good things,

1235
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 6: you know, you want to make sure you get an

1236
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 6: opportunity to talk with the acknowledge. I mean things Todd

1237
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 6: Bowles is doing in Tampa Bay getting his opportunity again. Well,

1238
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 6: you know, and somebody the people keep forgetting about Andy Reid.

1239
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 6: I mean, sure, he's won back to back Super Bowl,

1240
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 6: so let's be honest about.

1241
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 3: You'll get bored with success or like me, my wife

1242
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: and daughter, they're both just they're more casual fans and

1243
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: they're just like we're sick of the cheek. I think

1244
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 3: they represent a lot of people. They don't they don't

1245
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 3: want to hear about Andy Reid. We recognized Andy Reid's like.

1246
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 6: All great, think about he's got to do it again,

1247
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 6: He's got to do again. But you know, the guy

1248
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 6: that he has on his side that helps him an

1249
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 6: awful lot of Steve Spagnol.

1250
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, and again we talk about defense.

1251
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 6: We talk about a guy that schemes up things, the

1252
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 6: guy that grew up in the Jim Johnson system. And

1253
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 6: a lot of people remember who Jim Johnson was one

1254
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 6: of the great all time defensive coordinators. I put him

1255
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 6: up there with with Buddy Ryan. I mean, these guys,

1256
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 6: you know, they had their own way of doing things,

1257
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 6: and guys like Steve got the opportunity to learn from it.

1258
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 6: And look at what he's doing, look at the success.

1259
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 6: He's an aggressive play caller. He gets after quarterbacks okay,

1260
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 6: when he knows when to back off and play coverage.

1261
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 6: They mix their coverages, they disguise their coverages very very well.

1262
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 3: Read might be by coach of the Year so far,

1263
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 3: that's out of the box pick which it shouldn't because

1264
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 3: they're four and oh.

1265
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 13: The box, I know, but it could be that every

1266
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 13: year he could.

1267
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: But this is a year where I think they're making

1268
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: more with less and they're finding ways to win. And

1269
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 3: that was how they ended last year frankly too. And

1270
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: that's that's coaching. That's margin well.

1271
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 6: And and then you know, and and and and just

1272
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 6: don't forget Kevin O'Connell.

1273
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,479
Speaker 13: Oh my pick for coach.

1274
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 6: I mean, we know he's got coach Flores taking care

1275
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 6: of the defense. Go do your thing. But what look,

1276
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 6: look what he's done with Sam Darnold.

1277
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1278
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I would also I would push back on

1279
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 9: you a little bit. Ron for not the first time

1280
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 9: in my life that I think that hiring Brian Flores

1281
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 9: speaks a huge significant amount of Kevin O'Connell. Not because

1282
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 9: of you know, the prestige and the and the reputation

1283
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 9: as a former head coach, but because you're coming in

1284
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 9: and you're buying into a system that is going to

1285
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 9: come into practice every day and absolutely freaking torture your

1286
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 9: own quarterbacks. And that's an ego list decision. It's an

1287
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 9: ego list decision, and I think he knows. And also

1288
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 9: like not forcing as an offense, Oh you.

1289
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 13: Know this, dude.

1290
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 9: Offensive coaches, Oh man, this is I'm sorry, I'm gonna

1291
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 9: rant a little bit. Offensive coaches, they so often get

1292
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 9: into this habit of high or going after defensive coaches

1293
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 9: who are going to compliment what they do on offense

1294
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 9: less so assert and a completely holistic identity on defense.

1295
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 9: And the Vikings are saying, we are going to kick

1296
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 9: you in the teeth on offense with smart scheme and

1297
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 9: sound quarterback play and a balanced attack and interesting ideas,

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Speaker 9: and we're going to be aggressive and we're going to

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Speaker 9: throw the ball even though we're up twenty eight to zero.

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Speaker 9: And also on the other side, cut loose Brian Flores

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Speaker 9: assert you're not complementing quote unquote in the way that

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Speaker 9: we talk about complimentary football.

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Speaker 13: It's complimentary in.

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Speaker 9: The way that it all works, but you're actually saying, Okay,

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Speaker 9: I want that unit to assert with its own identity,

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Speaker 9: and I think that is a huge, huge trademark of

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Speaker 9: what we've seen from Kevin O'Connell and his identity as

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Speaker 9: a coach so far, and I think it puts him

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Speaker 9: in contention early well.

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Speaker 6: That to me is not the only reason, but I

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Speaker 6: think a lot of it has to do with the

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Speaker 6: way Sam Donold has played, and I think part of

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Speaker 6: it too is having the opportunity to practice against coach

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Speaker 6: Flores's defense.

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Speaker 7: Every day as well.

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Speaker 13: I'm better against the Blitzroun.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely and they help each other, and that's to me,

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Speaker 6: and I agree with what you're saying, because when you

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Speaker 6: see the aggressive nature of your defense as an offense

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Speaker 6: and you see the way they're taking the ball away

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Speaker 6: right now. Yeah, OK, And you can say the same

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Speaker 6: thing about Detroit. The way they're taking the ball away.

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Speaker 6: That's great. Why because they're putting us in position to score.

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Speaker 6: That's one of the big things that we always used

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Speaker 6: to talk about in Carolina was winning the takeaway battle,

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Speaker 6: and not just that but scoring or putting the offense

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Speaker 6: and scoring position. Go back to the year Philadelphia went

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Speaker 6: to the Super Bowl. They led the league in takeaways

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Speaker 6: in the first half and they're on the opponent's side

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Speaker 6: of the fifty yard line, which led to more scores,

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Speaker 6: and their offense was the leading scoring team after takeaways.

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Speaker 6: So these are things that you try to preach to

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Speaker 6: your team, and when you see it happen as an offensive,

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Speaker 6: you get fired up. You can't wait for your defense

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Speaker 6: to get back on the field and take the ball

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Speaker 6: away for you.

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Speaker 3: And now they're the opposite the Eagles. I think they've

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Speaker 3: lost the turnover battle in ten straight games. It's hard

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Speaker 3: to do that is lucky wise, and that's a reason

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Speaker 3: why they're they're at two and two.

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Speaker 4: Well maybe even lucky to be at two and two.

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Speaker 3: You're right about O'Connell and Flores that it takes a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a lack of ego, because I was

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Speaker 3: hearing reports from some of the beat writers there during

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Speaker 3: camp that there were moments where they're like, can you

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Speaker 3: just let Sam Darnold and in our rookie like complete

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Speaker 3: a pass. There were just some days where they were

1348
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Speaker 3: just totally scrambling the quarterbacks and they couldn't get good

1349
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Speaker 3: work in. But eventually that that's going to help them out.

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Speaker 3: That's that's why I have Jordan Here's she's smarter about

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Speaker 3: all this scheme stuff than I am.

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Speaker 4: It's why I have you here, Ron Rivera.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to have it you again because you show

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Speaker 3: me how to wear like perfect glasses that fit perfectly,

1355
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Speaker 3: which has been a goal of mine forever. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you're killing the glasses game, killing the T shirt game.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you coming in roun.

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Speaker 7: No, thank you for the opportunity. Guys.

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Speaker 13: This has been a lot of fun, all right, I

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Speaker 13: argue with you again.

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Speaker 4: I love it. It was great to see you guys,

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Speaker 4: kind of you.

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Speaker 7: Know, just real quick.

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Speaker 6: Whenever we say press conferences, Jordan would sarting if she

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Speaker 6: was at the end of the press conference we would

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Speaker 6: go over. We would go longer than I was supposed

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Speaker 6: to be out there because she would come back with

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Speaker 6: something that I have to talk about. Then she says,

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Speaker 6: so we'll say, yeah, but what about this? And so

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Speaker 6: it was more you know.

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Speaker 4: That's like our podcast.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'd even follow into the golf cart.

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Speaker 3: That is very much like our podcast. That's why we're

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Speaker 3: still going right now. Like we can't stop honking. But

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Speaker 3: we got to get Ron on a plane. You're you're

1376
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Speaker 3: heading back home. You got to get to the airport.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you, Appreciate everyone checking out the show. We got

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Speaker 3: one more show this week. It's going to be My

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Speaker 3: Pick Show with Cynthia Friedlan, So check that out. That

1380
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Speaker 3: comes out Friday after noon for Ron Rivera and Jordan

1381
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 3: Rodrieg of the Athletic and Gerald McCoy. What a star

1382
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Speaker 3: studded show. We got the big names. Football is back