1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,937 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:21,137 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to the 4 00:00:21,137 --> 00:00:24,457 Speaker 1: Buck section Show. This episode, we have Amanda Milius with us. 5 00:00:24,617 --> 00:00:27,817 Speaker 1: She is a filmmaker. The Plot against the President one 6 00:00:27,817 --> 00:00:29,657 Speaker 1: of her films which got a lot of acclaim A 7 00:00:29,697 --> 00:00:31,777 Speaker 1: lot of you, I'm sure have seen it. She also 8 00:00:31,977 --> 00:00:36,137 Speaker 1: was an appointee at the State Department under the Trump administration, 9 00:00:36,817 --> 00:00:39,457 Speaker 1: so she has stared at the deep state. She knows 10 00:00:39,617 --> 00:00:43,657 Speaker 1: what it is like. Amanda, is there a swampier agency? 11 00:00:43,737 --> 00:00:46,577 Speaker 1: I know everyone the FBI is trying hard these days, 12 00:00:47,017 --> 00:00:49,137 Speaker 1: but I know from the CIA side of the house, 13 00:00:49,497 --> 00:00:53,297 Speaker 1: the State Department a nest of commis and. 14 00:00:53,377 --> 00:00:57,057 Speaker 2: Useless ones too. I mean, at least at CIA. I 15 00:00:57,057 --> 00:00:59,217 Speaker 2: mean I could eat my words on this, because I 16 00:00:59,217 --> 00:01:02,017 Speaker 2: fight with the concept of CIA all the time. But 17 00:01:03,257 --> 00:01:07,697 Speaker 2: State Department is just it's like a playground for people 18 00:01:07,697 --> 00:01:09,737 Speaker 2: that don't they don't need to be there. You could 19 00:01:09,777 --> 00:01:14,737 Speaker 2: cut that place by the twentieth and run it out 20 00:01:14,737 --> 00:01:16,537 Speaker 2: of a van in the parking lot, and you do 21 00:01:16,617 --> 00:01:19,417 Speaker 2: better than what they've got. I think it's like seventy 22 00:01:19,537 --> 00:01:22,897 Speaker 2: thousand people or something. I mean, it's absolutely insane, and like, 23 00:01:23,097 --> 00:01:25,817 Speaker 2: you know, the I actually went there because I was 24 00:01:25,857 --> 00:01:29,017 Speaker 2: so dumb to think we still did diplomacy, and then 25 00:01:29,057 --> 00:01:30,817 Speaker 2: I got there and I was like, oh no, it's 26 00:01:30,897 --> 00:01:33,897 Speaker 2: just programs for people that want to work in the government. 27 00:01:33,977 --> 00:01:36,617 Speaker 1: Yeah, what does the State Department really just for everybody 28 00:01:36,657 --> 00:01:39,337 Speaker 1: out there? I mean I could say, as as a 29 00:01:39,377 --> 00:01:42,257 Speaker 1: little context for a State Department CI side of the house, 30 00:01:42,297 --> 00:01:44,897 Speaker 1: I was there for but five five years in change, 31 00:01:45,457 --> 00:01:49,057 Speaker 1: and ten percent of that building does cool stuff. Ninety 32 00:01:49,057 --> 00:01:53,417 Speaker 1: percent of the CIA just sort of shows up analyst side, 33 00:01:53,457 --> 00:01:56,297 Speaker 1: operator side, you know, you name it, like case officer side. 34 00:01:56,737 --> 00:01:58,777 Speaker 1: Very few people do a vast majority of the work. 35 00:01:58,937 --> 00:02:01,257 Speaker 1: So you could go full Twitter on this thing under 36 00:02:01,257 --> 00:02:04,177 Speaker 1: Elon and cut it from you know, eight thousand employees 37 00:02:04,217 --> 00:02:07,337 Speaker 1: down to a fraction. What really goes on at State 38 00:02:07,457 --> 00:02:09,337 Speaker 1: in general same. 39 00:02:09,497 --> 00:02:11,897 Speaker 2: I mean, you could you could cut every single embassy 40 00:02:11,937 --> 00:02:16,257 Speaker 2: down and the entire main state down, because it's it's 41 00:02:16,617 --> 00:02:18,617 Speaker 2: the Yeah, it's the exact same thing. It's like ninety 42 00:02:18,657 --> 00:02:21,577 Speaker 2: percent dead weight of because once they create a program, 43 00:02:21,657 --> 00:02:24,057 Speaker 2: I'm sure you're really familiar with this, Once they create 44 00:02:24,137 --> 00:02:27,217 Speaker 2: a program, and if that program at least your guys's 45 00:02:27,257 --> 00:02:30,057 Speaker 2: programs were kind of like you know, at least they're 46 00:02:30,097 --> 00:02:31,257 Speaker 2: kind of I mean, I assume. 47 00:02:31,017 --> 00:02:33,977 Speaker 1: That some of them more interesting, legitimate interesting, but like. 48 00:02:33,977 --> 00:02:36,737 Speaker 2: Ours, you know, state department programs would be like you know, 49 00:02:38,017 --> 00:02:44,257 Speaker 2: women's bead making empowerment, like economy building in Botswana, and 50 00:02:44,297 --> 00:02:47,697 Speaker 2: like that would be a program filled with fifty people 51 00:02:48,057 --> 00:02:51,457 Speaker 2: and it will exist forever. You'll never kill it no 52 00:02:51,537 --> 00:02:54,337 Speaker 2: matter what, Like Botswana could become like the most like 53 00:02:55,417 --> 00:02:58,417 Speaker 2: perfectly well run country in the world that needs no 54 00:02:58,497 --> 00:03:01,937 Speaker 2: bad making classes or whatever, or how to sell artisanal 55 00:03:02,177 --> 00:03:04,217 Speaker 2: pots or I don't know what these people do, but 56 00:03:04,297 --> 00:03:07,977 Speaker 2: like it could be they don't ever change. And I mean, 57 00:03:08,177 --> 00:03:10,377 Speaker 2: especially when you looked at this stuff and read that 58 00:03:10,417 --> 00:03:12,217 Speaker 2: were actually important, like when you look at what was 59 00:03:12,257 --> 00:03:15,377 Speaker 2: going on in Afghanistan and we used to make the 60 00:03:15,537 --> 00:03:19,777 Speaker 2: joke or the good appointees and the good the good 61 00:03:19,817 --> 00:03:26,257 Speaker 2: guys would have this framed joke because it was real. Though, 62 00:03:26,457 --> 00:03:32,977 Speaker 2: of lesbian puppet shows for countering violent extremism, now that 63 00:03:33,137 --> 00:03:35,897 Speaker 2: to me is a state department program that's the perfect 64 00:03:35,937 --> 00:03:41,777 Speaker 2: like LGBT puppet shows to encourage countering violent extremism that 65 00:03:41,897 --> 00:03:43,617 Speaker 2: was perfect. That's State Department. 66 00:03:43,697 --> 00:03:46,377 Speaker 1: I do remember when they went from the g WATT, 67 00:03:46,817 --> 00:03:48,737 Speaker 1: which had a nice ring to it, the Global War 68 00:03:48,777 --> 00:03:51,217 Speaker 1: on Terror a little vague, fine, but kind of people. 69 00:03:51,297 --> 00:03:54,897 Speaker 1: Everyone knew what we're talking about. Two yeah, programs to 70 00:03:55,017 --> 00:04:00,497 Speaker 1: counter overseas extremism or something. It would be. It was so. 71 00:04:01,657 --> 00:04:04,577 Speaker 2: Violent extremism and anything could fall under it. That's why 72 00:04:04,617 --> 00:04:06,697 Speaker 2: I'm saying, like you could put if you just put 73 00:04:06,737 --> 00:04:09,537 Speaker 2: CVE at the end of your program idea, it would 74 00:04:09,537 --> 00:04:10,017 Speaker 2: get funded. 75 00:04:11,297 --> 00:04:14,497 Speaker 1: So here's the thing, because I sit here, we've seen 76 00:04:15,377 --> 00:04:19,537 Speaker 1: recently obviously that the indictment of Donald Trump by the DOJ, 77 00:04:20,137 --> 00:04:24,097 Speaker 1: the total sweetheart deal for a hunter. Sweetart deal doesn't 78 00:04:24,097 --> 00:04:26,257 Speaker 1: even cover it. I mean it is. It's a cover up, right. 79 00:04:26,377 --> 00:04:30,337 Speaker 1: There's there's low level charge and then there's actually low 80 00:04:30,417 --> 00:04:34,417 Speaker 1: level charge that ignores the real charges that are already 81 00:04:34,537 --> 00:04:37,897 Speaker 1: provable because those charges would also lead to you know, 82 00:04:37,977 --> 00:04:40,737 Speaker 1: the president of the United States. So it's it's full on, 83 00:04:40,857 --> 00:04:44,177 Speaker 1: full on cover up mode. But everyone keeps saying, you know, 84 00:04:44,337 --> 00:04:46,577 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna drain the swamp, and then they 85 00:04:46,657 --> 00:04:49,617 Speaker 1: ask me, how do we do that. I'm gonna put 86 00:04:49,657 --> 00:04:52,617 Speaker 1: that to you because I'm actually curious how anyone who thinks, 87 00:04:52,617 --> 00:04:54,537 Speaker 1: because you know, you were there on the Trump administration, 88 00:04:54,737 --> 00:04:56,817 Speaker 1: how does the swamp get drained? Can it be drained? 89 00:04:56,857 --> 00:04:57,657 Speaker 1: I'm not convinced. 90 00:04:58,417 --> 00:05:02,257 Speaker 2: I'm we got to. Yeah, a couple of things. A 91 00:05:02,777 --> 00:05:05,537 Speaker 2: I learned a lot since I left, one of which 92 00:05:05,617 --> 00:05:08,977 Speaker 2: is that I prefer to call it the administrative state 93 00:05:09,097 --> 00:05:11,417 Speaker 2: because and we get you know, I know, it's fun 94 00:05:11,457 --> 00:05:13,097 Speaker 2: to call it the deep state and the swamp and 95 00:05:13,097 --> 00:05:16,817 Speaker 2: stuff like that, but it allows us to rely kind 96 00:05:16,817 --> 00:05:20,457 Speaker 2: of lazily on this idea of the they as though 97 00:05:20,497 --> 00:05:23,937 Speaker 2: this were something that was like run by a few 98 00:05:24,017 --> 00:05:27,017 Speaker 2: competent people, which I don't really think it is. I 99 00:05:27,057 --> 00:05:31,657 Speaker 2: think it's a ghost ship that runs itself. And that's 100 00:05:32,017 --> 00:05:38,057 Speaker 2: fifty years of administrative changes and administrative law that turned 101 00:05:38,177 --> 00:05:45,657 Speaker 2: what was a constitutional republic into a bureaucrat run ghost ship, 102 00:05:45,777 --> 00:05:47,777 Speaker 2: which is what our country is at this point. So 103 00:05:47,897 --> 00:05:51,897 Speaker 2: it's basically, you know, whoever knows where the levers of 104 00:05:51,937 --> 00:05:55,537 Speaker 2: the ghost ship are, like the Bidens and the Democrats. 105 00:05:55,617 --> 00:05:58,897 Speaker 2: You know, there's there's an order and the Democrats are 106 00:05:58,897 --> 00:06:02,177 Speaker 2: above us, but the bureaucrats are still above them. Like 107 00:06:02,897 --> 00:06:05,297 Speaker 2: that would be what would be deep state about it. 108 00:06:05,897 --> 00:06:08,177 Speaker 2: I mean, I think we saw that in the Afghanistan 109 00:06:08,217 --> 00:06:10,177 Speaker 2: pull out. That was the only time I ever SEU 110 00:06:10,497 --> 00:06:13,537 Speaker 2: because you know, I consider CNN or or most of 111 00:06:13,577 --> 00:06:17,417 Speaker 2: these stations to be the Comm's department of the Intel agencies. 112 00:06:18,297 --> 00:06:21,657 Speaker 2: So when you see you know, Anderson Cooper for a 113 00:06:21,697 --> 00:06:25,937 Speaker 2: whole week playing in color TV on everybody's TV screens, 114 00:06:25,977 --> 00:06:30,217 Speaker 2: the disaster that was the Afghanistan pull out, that is 115 00:06:30,257 --> 00:06:32,617 Speaker 2: not in the white that current White House's interest. So 116 00:06:32,657 --> 00:06:34,497 Speaker 2: that was the there's a there's a few times I've 117 00:06:34,537 --> 00:06:38,977 Speaker 2: noticed the admin State going away from even the Democrats 118 00:06:39,137 --> 00:06:41,297 Speaker 2: and kind of swatting them when they get out of line. 119 00:06:41,857 --> 00:06:44,377 Speaker 2: And so I think it's like a hierarchy more more 120 00:06:44,417 --> 00:06:46,417 Speaker 2: than anything, and we're at the bottom, like the Trump 121 00:06:46,457 --> 00:06:50,217 Speaker 2: administration was at the absolute bottom, because I mean, these 122 00:06:50,257 --> 00:06:53,697 Speaker 2: people wouldn't even uh. I've made this point before too, 123 00:06:53,697 --> 00:06:56,417 Speaker 2: which is that the real problem with like, for example, 124 00:06:56,457 --> 00:06:59,177 Speaker 2: the Russia Gate thing, which is my sort of wheelhouse, 125 00:06:59,737 --> 00:07:02,817 Speaker 2: is it wasn't just everyday Americans that we're hearing this. 126 00:07:03,657 --> 00:07:06,977 Speaker 2: All the bureaucrats of Washington, DC went home and watched 127 00:07:07,017 --> 00:07:09,337 Speaker 2: CNN and were like, oh, I don't have to listen 128 00:07:09,377 --> 00:07:11,817 Speaker 2: to these trump because they're probably getting their orders from 129 00:07:11,817 --> 00:07:15,217 Speaker 2: Putin or something. So you couldn't get anything done because 130 00:07:15,257 --> 00:07:18,657 Speaker 2: you were either like either they would just outright just 131 00:07:18,817 --> 00:07:22,057 Speaker 2: you know, oss manual you to not do. You know, 132 00:07:22,097 --> 00:07:23,937 Speaker 2: the stuff we used to deliver to the Soviet Union, 133 00:07:24,017 --> 00:07:25,937 Speaker 2: like how to not how to not do something in 134 00:07:25,977 --> 00:07:31,017 Speaker 2: an organization. I mean, they got that down and or 135 00:07:31,177 --> 00:07:33,137 Speaker 2: they or they just would be like no, they'd be 136 00:07:33,177 --> 00:07:35,937 Speaker 2: suspicious because they they'd honestly think that you were like 137 00:07:35,977 --> 00:07:40,457 Speaker 2: an agent of Putin. So to put it, how do 138 00:07:40,497 --> 00:07:42,097 Speaker 2: you how do you get rid of that? I mean, 139 00:07:42,097 --> 00:07:45,577 Speaker 2: you have to have full willingness to when we finally 140 00:07:46,097 --> 00:07:48,697 Speaker 2: came up at the last year with Schedule F, which 141 00:07:48,737 --> 00:07:53,497 Speaker 2: was a way to redesign government employees to avoid the 142 00:07:53,857 --> 00:07:58,857 Speaker 2: which should be absolutely illegal unionization of them if they 143 00:07:59,057 --> 00:08:02,097 Speaker 2: deal with policy at all, which is the Schedule F EO. 144 00:08:02,537 --> 00:08:05,217 Speaker 2: And again that's an executive order. It's not legislation, it's 145 00:08:05,217 --> 00:08:07,817 Speaker 2: not it's not something that couldn't be As with all 146 00:08:07,857 --> 00:08:11,257 Speaker 2: executive orders, they're written in sand like we have to 147 00:08:11,297 --> 00:08:13,697 Speaker 2: do more. It really comes down to having like an 148 00:08:13,737 --> 00:08:17,297 Speaker 2: Actualcongress that's willing to take the country back to the 149 00:08:17,297 --> 00:08:19,777 Speaker 2: way it was supposed to be run. But the first 150 00:08:19,817 --> 00:08:22,577 Speaker 2: step would be to do something like that, an executive 151 00:08:22,697 --> 00:08:25,857 Speaker 2: order that makes it possible to fire government employees because 152 00:08:25,857 --> 00:08:28,537 Speaker 2: as of right now, you can move them around, you 153 00:08:28,577 --> 00:08:31,657 Speaker 2: can reshuffle the deck, but it doesn't matter. They're still 154 00:08:31,697 --> 00:08:34,057 Speaker 2: there and they're still just wasting. 155 00:08:34,177 --> 00:08:37,457 Speaker 1: I was told I was told by an honest and 156 00:08:37,497 --> 00:08:39,937 Speaker 1: in the case of federal government that increasingly just means 157 00:08:39,937 --> 00:08:43,017 Speaker 1: funny when I think back to it, conservative, but an 158 00:08:43,097 --> 00:08:46,537 Speaker 1: honest manager within the federal bureaucracy. At one point he said, 159 00:08:46,977 --> 00:08:51,577 Speaker 1: he said, buck, if you showed up and refused to 160 00:08:51,657 --> 00:08:56,097 Speaker 1: do anything, but you didn't break any laws, and you 161 00:08:56,137 --> 00:08:58,217 Speaker 1: were here when you were supposed to be here, which 162 00:08:58,257 --> 00:09:00,657 Speaker 1: goes into up breaking laws because of time and attendance fraud. Right, 163 00:09:00,657 --> 00:09:02,577 Speaker 1: But He's like, if you sit in your chair when 164 00:09:02,577 --> 00:09:05,577 Speaker 1: you were supposed to be here, refuse to do any work, 165 00:09:05,897 --> 00:09:08,097 Speaker 1: it would take me almost two years to get you fired. 166 00:09:08,817 --> 00:09:11,577 Speaker 1: I've said, I saw something worse. 167 00:09:11,337 --> 00:09:14,217 Speaker 2: Than that, which is so now you've got the telework thing. 168 00:09:14,297 --> 00:09:17,857 Speaker 2: So when I first heard the word telework was when 169 00:09:17,857 --> 00:09:20,137 Speaker 2: I first got to State and I was like trying 170 00:09:20,177 --> 00:09:22,777 Speaker 2: to run my team, which was a content team and 171 00:09:22,977 --> 00:09:26,817 Speaker 2: you know, the world moves in twenty four hour increments, right, 172 00:09:26,897 --> 00:09:29,217 Speaker 2: it doesn't go from nine to five. So I was like, well, 173 00:09:29,257 --> 00:09:31,097 Speaker 2: where's the night team? And they were like, we don't 174 00:09:31,137 --> 00:09:32,857 Speaker 2: have a night team. And I was like, so you 175 00:09:32,977 --> 00:09:37,017 Speaker 2: just put out like messaging during America like East Coast 176 00:09:37,137 --> 00:09:39,817 Speaker 2: nine to five, Like that doesn't make that's not even 177 00:09:40,177 --> 00:09:42,857 Speaker 2: we're talking to the global audience. That doesn't make any sense. 178 00:09:43,297 --> 00:09:45,417 Speaker 2: Like I'm not that smart and that doesn't even make 179 00:09:45,457 --> 00:09:49,377 Speaker 2: any sense to me. And and then and then I 180 00:09:49,417 --> 00:09:50,977 Speaker 2: was like, all right, we'll find where's the where's the 181 00:09:50,977 --> 00:09:53,817 Speaker 2: graphics guy? And they were like, oh, he's teleworking today 182 00:09:53,817 --> 00:09:56,577 Speaker 2: And I was like tell what and they were like, teleworking. 183 00:09:56,617 --> 00:09:58,897 Speaker 2: We have a really great telework program in this bureau. 184 00:09:59,017 --> 00:10:01,097 Speaker 2: And I was like, do you know what my boss 185 00:10:01,137 --> 00:10:04,457 Speaker 2: would have done to me if I said one of 186 00:10:04,457 --> 00:10:07,017 Speaker 2: the independent production companies I used to work at that 187 00:10:07,097 --> 00:10:09,217 Speaker 2: I was going to telework that day. I would be 188 00:10:09,297 --> 00:10:13,577 Speaker 2: like telefive. I mean it's there. There's in the film industry. 189 00:10:13,657 --> 00:10:15,297 Speaker 2: Like I actually got a lot of gained a lot 190 00:10:15,297 --> 00:10:17,657 Speaker 2: of respect for it because I was like, they're hardcore, 191 00:10:17,817 --> 00:10:20,057 Speaker 2: Like there is no not showing up, there are no 192 00:10:20,177 --> 00:10:23,617 Speaker 2: sick days. There's no, there's no like, you're every minute 193 00:10:23,737 --> 00:10:26,217 Speaker 2: is a million dollars, so you're not you're not wasting 194 00:10:26,257 --> 00:10:29,577 Speaker 2: any time. But no, it's not only could they they 195 00:10:29,697 --> 00:10:32,817 Speaker 2: not get fired. I think someone could walk up and 196 00:10:32,977 --> 00:10:35,297 Speaker 2: punch their own boss in the face and it would 197 00:10:35,337 --> 00:10:38,417 Speaker 2: take five years to fire them. When I found out that. 198 00:10:39,097 --> 00:10:41,377 Speaker 2: When I came down, we merged the bureaus. At one 199 00:10:41,417 --> 00:10:44,097 Speaker 2: point I went down to the broadcast unit, which was 200 00:10:44,217 --> 00:10:46,857 Speaker 2: in a different area than my bureau, and I was like, 201 00:10:46,897 --> 00:10:49,217 Speaker 2: all right, cool, we got a broadcast unit. Let's let 202 00:10:49,217 --> 00:10:50,897 Speaker 2: me meet all the editors. I was like, I bet 203 00:10:50,897 --> 00:10:54,177 Speaker 2: I'll like these guys because they were older, and you know, 204 00:10:54,217 --> 00:10:56,737 Speaker 2: I used to work in traditional broadcast when I worked 205 00:10:56,857 --> 00:10:58,977 Speaker 2: for Network TV. And I was like, all right, let 206 00:10:59,017 --> 00:11:00,577 Speaker 2: me talk to these guys. And they were like, oh, well, 207 00:11:00,577 --> 00:11:03,457 Speaker 2: only two of them come in the office of like twelve, 208 00:11:03,897 --> 00:11:05,417 Speaker 2: and I was like, well, where are the other ones? 209 00:11:05,457 --> 00:11:07,777 Speaker 2: And they were like, they can't come into the building, 210 00:11:08,097 --> 00:11:11,137 Speaker 2: but they're still getting paid because they're in litigation with 211 00:11:11,257 --> 00:11:13,857 Speaker 2: the department because they all got caught watching porn on 212 00:11:13,897 --> 00:11:16,377 Speaker 2: government computers down here, and it's like in the basement, 213 00:11:16,897 --> 00:11:20,537 Speaker 2: so the whole and this this thing. This broadcast unit 214 00:11:20,657 --> 00:11:26,697 Speaker 2: handled the broadcast for like I think most American agencies satellite, 215 00:11:27,057 --> 00:11:29,817 Speaker 2: and there were two guys running in and we couldn't 216 00:11:29,897 --> 00:11:32,777 Speaker 2: hire any other you know, young contractors to come in 217 00:11:32,817 --> 00:11:35,057 Speaker 2: and just like fill the gaps until we finally fix 218 00:11:35,137 --> 00:11:39,577 Speaker 2: that because it's like again ghost ship. It's like you 219 00:11:39,737 --> 00:11:42,577 Speaker 2: try to move the machine and it takes like a 220 00:11:42,697 --> 00:11:46,537 Speaker 2: year to do anything, and it's so it's super frustrating. 221 00:11:46,577 --> 00:11:48,457 Speaker 2: So that's that's one of the things I've kind of 222 00:11:48,457 --> 00:11:51,497 Speaker 2: mouthed off on Twitter about. You know, like a lot 223 00:11:51,537 --> 00:11:53,337 Speaker 2: of people are like, we're just going to drain the 224 00:11:53,377 --> 00:11:56,417 Speaker 2: swamp because we're just going to do it, and it's like, yeah, 225 00:11:56,457 --> 00:11:59,857 Speaker 2: we get a lot of people that were really really willing. 226 00:12:00,057 --> 00:12:02,817 Speaker 2: It wasn't about It wasn't a question of will, It 227 00:12:02,857 --> 00:12:06,817 Speaker 2: wasn't a question of intelligence. You're up against fifty years 228 00:12:07,017 --> 00:12:12,297 Speaker 2: of pretty much unconc institutional law that's just been passed 229 00:12:12,377 --> 00:12:15,697 Speaker 2: under our nose, and we live in a bureaucracy run 230 00:12:15,777 --> 00:12:16,457 Speaker 2: country now. 231 00:12:16,817 --> 00:12:18,857 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is the fourth branch of government. I think 232 00:12:18,857 --> 00:12:21,457 Speaker 1: there's no question about that. 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I mean, the main thing that's 260 00:13:40,017 --> 00:13:43,337 Speaker 2: frustrating is okay, so we Lee Smith wrote the book, right, 261 00:13:43,457 --> 00:13:46,297 Speaker 2: Lee Smith, the great, great journalist and author. 262 00:13:46,097 --> 00:13:48,177 Speaker 1: Interviewed him many times. Really really sharp guy. 263 00:13:48,257 --> 00:13:50,697 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the guy is amazing. So he he 264 00:13:50,857 --> 00:13:53,577 Speaker 2: was the one that was actually, you know, got the 265 00:13:53,617 --> 00:13:56,817 Speaker 2: story down in such a way that it was following people, 266 00:13:57,057 --> 00:14:05,417 Speaker 2: not documents. I have publicly made my opinion known about 267 00:14:05,417 --> 00:14:09,177 Speaker 2: a lot of conservative content because I think a lot 268 00:14:09,217 --> 00:14:11,657 Speaker 2: of conservative and you know, I really want there to 269 00:14:11,657 --> 00:14:13,617 Speaker 2: be more culture war stuff. 270 00:14:13,977 --> 00:14:17,417 Speaker 1: Are you suggesting, Amanda that when conservators make a movie 271 00:14:17,497 --> 00:14:19,817 Speaker 1: it shouldn't look like a high school film project. 272 00:14:21,977 --> 00:14:23,577 Speaker 2: I'm kind of I'm kind of saying that. 273 00:14:23,737 --> 00:14:25,017 Speaker 1: Yeah. 274 00:14:24,577 --> 00:14:28,377 Speaker 2: So basically I have a problem with homework on video. 275 00:14:28,537 --> 00:14:31,937 Speaker 2: I don't consider that cinematic or film. And being somebody 276 00:14:31,937 --> 00:14:34,777 Speaker 2: who was raised in that world and worked in it 277 00:14:34,857 --> 00:14:36,417 Speaker 2: for as many years as I did, and then went 278 00:14:36,457 --> 00:14:39,057 Speaker 2: to the best film school in the world, I can 279 00:14:39,137 --> 00:14:41,177 Speaker 2: really see it when I see it, and I'm like, 280 00:14:41,417 --> 00:14:44,097 Speaker 2: it makes me want to bar so I tend to 281 00:14:44,097 --> 00:14:46,977 Speaker 2: call it out even though I want to applaud and 282 00:14:47,937 --> 00:14:51,577 Speaker 2: say we should have more voices, not less right Andrew Breitbart. 283 00:14:52,417 --> 00:14:54,297 Speaker 2: But there are a lot of good up and coming 284 00:14:54,697 --> 00:14:56,817 Speaker 2: conservative or right wing or whatever you want to call 285 00:14:56,857 --> 00:15:00,257 Speaker 2: it film directors that I am looking forward to working 286 00:15:00,257 --> 00:15:03,177 Speaker 2: with that are actually really really good. And you know 287 00:15:03,377 --> 00:15:05,737 Speaker 2: a lot of guys that worked with Tucker for example, 288 00:15:05,777 --> 00:15:10,297 Speaker 2: a lot of people just on their own. IM not 289 00:15:10,577 --> 00:15:14,977 Speaker 2: super fond of the homework assignment on video vibe. So 290 00:15:15,057 --> 00:15:18,537 Speaker 2: anyway to do why I was attracted to Lee Smith's 291 00:15:18,617 --> 00:15:21,657 Speaker 2: way of telling something so complex as Russia Gate, which 292 00:15:21,697 --> 00:15:26,377 Speaker 2: is extremely complicated, Like you got to make explaining to 293 00:15:26,417 --> 00:15:30,057 Speaker 2: a general audience what a FEISA warrant is interesting? Okay, 294 00:15:30,177 --> 00:15:32,777 Speaker 2: Like that's that goes to like you know, when they 295 00:15:32,857 --> 00:15:36,177 Speaker 2: had Margot Robi naked in the bathtub with the champagne 296 00:15:36,217 --> 00:15:40,457 Speaker 2: explaining the stock market in the big short, that's that's 297 00:15:40,737 --> 00:15:42,817 Speaker 2: that's a cinematic tool of like you have to get 298 00:15:42,817 --> 00:15:45,497 Speaker 2: through some really dry exposition, like how do you do 299 00:15:45,537 --> 00:15:47,297 Speaker 2: it well? With us? What we did is we had 300 00:15:47,297 --> 00:15:50,657 Speaker 2: the most charismatic people explain it, and on that one 301 00:15:50,697 --> 00:15:53,777 Speaker 2: in particular, we broke it down. Mike Cernovich did it. 302 00:15:54,817 --> 00:15:58,577 Speaker 2: We had deep throats lawyer from Watergate, and a lot 303 00:15:58,577 --> 00:16:01,657 Speaker 2: of the people who were affected by it, like you know, 304 00:16:01,737 --> 00:16:06,137 Speaker 2: Don Junior and people like that. So so basically we 305 00:16:06,137 --> 00:16:08,897 Speaker 2: we put this movie together based on Lee Smith's book. 306 00:16:08,937 --> 00:16:14,617 Speaker 2: Because Lee smith book is a noir spy thriller, which 307 00:16:14,657 --> 00:16:17,657 Speaker 2: is what Russia Gate is. It should be like our 308 00:16:17,817 --> 00:16:20,257 Speaker 2: version of All the President's Men, which was the you know, 309 00:16:20,377 --> 00:16:26,137 Speaker 2: classic nineteen seventies movie about Watergate, which sort of created 310 00:16:26,177 --> 00:16:31,697 Speaker 2: the lore of these like detective journalists, like the Washington 311 00:16:31,737 --> 00:16:34,377 Speaker 2: Post detective journalists. And so we're sort of we sort 312 00:16:34,417 --> 00:16:36,257 Speaker 2: of did the opposite of that, right, I mean, we're 313 00:16:36,297 --> 00:16:40,737 Speaker 2: dealing with undoing that work, but it's the same creepy vibe. 314 00:16:40,777 --> 00:16:43,777 Speaker 2: I mean, Washington, DC really is a noir city. The 315 00:16:43,897 --> 00:16:48,217 Speaker 2: streets are always wet, it's dark, bad things are happening, 316 00:16:48,457 --> 00:16:51,457 Speaker 2: you don't know who to trust, everyone's two faces. I mean, 317 00:16:51,457 --> 00:16:55,057 Speaker 2: if you study film noir like I did in college, 318 00:16:55,737 --> 00:16:58,977 Speaker 2: it's the perfect city for a noir movie. So that's 319 00:16:58,977 --> 00:17:02,177 Speaker 2: what I tried to do, is bring that aesthetic to 320 00:17:02,697 --> 00:17:06,497 Speaker 2: the concept of Russiagate, and it worked really well. We 321 00:17:06,497 --> 00:17:08,417 Speaker 2: were really lucky. I mean, we filmed it during the 322 00:17:08,457 --> 00:17:11,537 Speaker 2: beginning of the you know, COVID shut down and everything, 323 00:17:11,617 --> 00:17:14,257 Speaker 2: so conveniently, all the streets were empty and everything was 324 00:17:14,337 --> 00:17:16,617 Speaker 2: just like kind of at our disposal, and we had it. 325 00:17:16,657 --> 00:17:19,737 Speaker 2: We had a grand all time. But yeah, and we 326 00:17:19,777 --> 00:17:22,937 Speaker 2: got it out before the twenty twenty election. And the 327 00:17:22,937 --> 00:17:27,097 Speaker 2: frustrating thing now is is that I'm watching this Durham 328 00:17:27,137 --> 00:17:32,297 Speaker 2: stuff and the hearing yesterday. I was so entertained by 329 00:17:32,337 --> 00:17:36,057 Speaker 2: Matt Gates just tearing up Durham because we've been told 330 00:17:36,057 --> 00:17:39,457 Speaker 2: that Durham was going to spend four years finding new 331 00:17:39,497 --> 00:17:43,697 Speaker 2: information and there's not one single thing in his report 332 00:17:43,817 --> 00:17:47,337 Speaker 2: that isn't in our ninety minute movie where I'm like, 333 00:17:47,977 --> 00:17:50,137 Speaker 2: I could have saved you four years. And there's this 334 00:17:50,177 --> 00:17:53,457 Speaker 2: one part in the in the hearing where he's whining 335 00:17:53,497 --> 00:17:55,377 Speaker 2: about how he had to spend four years away from 336 00:17:55,417 --> 00:17:58,977 Speaker 2: his family to investigate all this stuff, and You're like, Okay, 337 00:17:59,017 --> 00:18:00,777 Speaker 2: well I could have saved you that you could have 338 00:18:00,817 --> 00:18:02,897 Speaker 2: sat down with your family and watch a plot against 339 00:18:02,897 --> 00:18:04,537 Speaker 2: the president and you wouldn't have had to do anything 340 00:18:04,537 --> 00:18:07,017 Speaker 2: because you didn't do any when he's talking about how 341 00:18:07,017 --> 00:18:11,617 Speaker 2: he couldn't find misfued. We could find him, right. But 342 00:18:11,817 --> 00:18:15,737 Speaker 2: I'm I'm me. I'm not hired by the Department of Justice. 343 00:18:15,817 --> 00:18:18,057 Speaker 2: I don't have the power of the state behind me. 344 00:18:18,217 --> 00:18:20,937 Speaker 2: I can't subpoena anybody. I can just call them and 345 00:18:21,017 --> 00:18:23,177 Speaker 2: ask them if they'll be interviewed in my movie, and 346 00:18:23,377 --> 00:18:25,177 Speaker 2: most of the bad guys are gonna say no, Like 347 00:18:25,537 --> 00:18:29,177 Speaker 2: unsurprisingly James Comey was not interested in being interviewed by me. 348 00:18:30,377 --> 00:18:35,297 Speaker 2: But you know, this man had the power of the 349 00:18:35,377 --> 00:18:38,817 Speaker 2: DOJ behind him, right, like he had an assignment, and 350 00:18:39,577 --> 00:18:42,537 Speaker 2: it's unbelievable that he got the same interviews I did. 351 00:18:42,577 --> 00:18:45,657 Speaker 2: I mean cash Pttel tells the story of the sixty 352 00:18:45,657 --> 00:18:48,657 Speaker 2: five people coming in, all of the heads of agencies 353 00:18:48,657 --> 00:18:51,337 Speaker 2: who would have known about the Russia collusion had there 354 00:18:51,377 --> 00:18:54,337 Speaker 2: been any how under oath, every single one of them, 355 00:18:54,417 --> 00:18:58,817 Speaker 2: when asked, have you found any evidence of the Trump 356 00:18:58,897 --> 00:19:01,817 Speaker 2: administration or campaign colluding with Russia? Every single one of 357 00:19:01,857 --> 00:19:05,777 Speaker 2: them said no, you know, behind closed doors under oath 358 00:19:05,857 --> 00:19:10,257 Speaker 2: until it was declassified by Rick Ernell. And the fact 359 00:19:10,337 --> 00:19:13,537 Speaker 2: is we've known that we so Lee put that book 360 00:19:13,577 --> 00:19:16,417 Speaker 2: out in twenty nineteen at least in manuscript form when 361 00:19:16,417 --> 00:19:19,537 Speaker 2: I optioned it. We put the movie out in twenty twenty, which, 362 00:19:19,537 --> 00:19:21,737 Speaker 2: by the way, that's an insane turnaround time that I'm 363 00:19:21,777 --> 00:19:23,937 Speaker 2: never doing again. I'm never making a movie in less 364 00:19:23,937 --> 00:19:27,057 Speaker 2: than a year again. So no one asked me. It's 365 00:19:27,097 --> 00:19:29,057 Speaker 2: just it's crazy. You're not supposed to do it that way. 366 00:19:29,137 --> 00:19:32,497 Speaker 2: But we did, and it went really well. You know, 367 00:19:32,537 --> 00:19:35,937 Speaker 2: it's like still like, it's the number one documentary on 368 00:19:35,977 --> 00:19:42,857 Speaker 2: Amazon per reviews, still doing. Really it's just it's it's 369 00:19:43,137 --> 00:19:47,897 Speaker 2: broken through to people because it's not conservative. It's not 370 00:19:47,937 --> 00:19:51,577 Speaker 2: just conservative red meat, right. It actually explains the story 371 00:19:51,617 --> 00:19:54,417 Speaker 2: that you get engaged with. That's how you change hearts 372 00:19:54,417 --> 00:19:57,377 Speaker 2: and minds. You don't just tell them facts. Don't care 373 00:19:57,417 --> 00:20:00,057 Speaker 2: about your feelings. Here's the facts, and we're conservatives, so 374 00:20:00,097 --> 00:20:02,817 Speaker 2: we're correct because here's the facts. Like I don't know 375 00:20:02,897 --> 00:20:06,337 Speaker 2: if anyone studied propaganda, but that doesn't that doesn't work. 376 00:20:06,417 --> 00:20:08,777 Speaker 2: You have to change people's hearts, like it's not it's 377 00:20:08,817 --> 00:20:11,337 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm more attuned to that because 378 00:20:11,337 --> 00:20:14,257 Speaker 2: I started in the arts or I'm a chick or something. 379 00:20:14,297 --> 00:20:16,417 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I don't ever start out with 380 00:20:17,337 --> 00:20:19,657 Speaker 2: here's the PAISA warrant, and here's what was wrong with it. 381 00:20:19,657 --> 00:20:22,457 Speaker 2: It's like, no, here's the man whose life was destroyed 382 00:20:22,737 --> 00:20:25,977 Speaker 2: and his family and his kids and this and that, 383 00:20:26,097 --> 00:20:28,817 Speaker 2: and this is why this matters. If this can happen 384 00:20:28,897 --> 00:20:30,737 Speaker 2: to him, it can happen to you. 385 00:20:31,057 --> 00:20:35,257 Speaker 1: I'll never forget the first time I met Carter Page, 386 00:20:35,337 --> 00:20:37,337 Speaker 1: you know, the target of one of the FISA warrants. 387 00:20:37,697 --> 00:20:39,857 Speaker 1: And he's for anyone who hasn't met you know, well 388 00:20:39,857 --> 00:20:44,057 Speaker 1: not met, but remember he's you know, when he sat down, 389 00:20:44,097 --> 00:20:46,817 Speaker 1: he's like, hey, it's like, you know, I hung out 390 00:20:46,857 --> 00:20:48,497 Speaker 1: with your dad for a day at the Harvard Club 391 00:20:48,537 --> 00:20:50,737 Speaker 1: once and I was like, wait, I'm interviewing him on set. 392 00:20:50,737 --> 00:20:53,057 Speaker 1: It was like a social setting, like right before the 393 00:20:53,097 --> 00:20:55,737 Speaker 1: cameras turn on, and I was like what. And then 394 00:20:55,777 --> 00:20:57,777 Speaker 1: I'm like I'm like wait hold on. He's like, oh yeah, 395 00:20:57,777 --> 00:20:59,577 Speaker 1: your dad's so fun, like you know, he's just really 396 00:20:59,697 --> 00:21:00,737 Speaker 1: like matter of fact that kind. 397 00:21:00,657 --> 00:21:03,217 Speaker 2: Of nonsout, like. 398 00:21:03,817 --> 00:21:07,057 Speaker 1: Oh guy, But I remember I called my dad that. 399 00:21:07,177 --> 00:21:11,297 Speaker 1: I'm like, Dad, did you He's like, I think I 400 00:21:11,297 --> 00:21:13,337 Speaker 1: did hang out with the Carter I know. It's like 401 00:21:13,377 --> 00:21:16,217 Speaker 1: this whole thing. I'm like, Dad, that's the guy like 402 00:21:16,337 --> 00:21:19,817 Speaker 1: you were talking to the Russia Gate guy at the 403 00:21:19,897 --> 00:21:22,377 Speaker 1: Harvard Club, like this is before all that stuff happened. 404 00:21:22,377 --> 00:21:23,937 Speaker 1: But I was like, you guys are you know, they're 405 00:21:23,977 --> 00:21:26,697 Speaker 1: at some event about US China policy, you know, one 406 00:21:26,697 --> 00:21:29,377 Speaker 1: of these things where guys show up whatever. And my 407 00:21:29,497 --> 00:21:31,097 Speaker 1: dad was there, you know, because he likes to learn 408 00:21:31,097 --> 00:21:33,337 Speaker 1: about the world. And anyway, it was just kind of 409 00:21:33,337 --> 00:21:34,817 Speaker 1: funny because I was like, Wow, the world's a very 410 00:21:34,857 --> 00:21:36,577 Speaker 1: small place. I want to ask if you're gonna make 411 00:21:36,577 --> 00:21:39,017 Speaker 1: another movie like this or what the next project is. 412 00:21:39,097 --> 00:21:42,017 Speaker 1: But first I got to talk to people at Gold, Amanda, 413 00:21:42,417 --> 00:21:46,817 Speaker 1: because precious metals very important out there. All right. If 414 00:21:46,817 --> 00:21:49,417 Speaker 1: you're worried about the disruptions I could hit the global economy, 415 00:21:49,417 --> 00:21:51,737 Speaker 1: how do you diversify I own I've got some right 416 00:21:51,777 --> 00:21:54,257 Speaker 1: here with me. Exactly. She's got some gold, She's got 417 00:21:54,257 --> 00:21:57,737 Speaker 1: some bling on her hard gold. I'm talking about the real, 418 00:21:57,817 --> 00:22:01,537 Speaker 1: actual physical gold. Because it's a great way to hedge 419 00:22:01,617 --> 00:22:04,937 Speaker 1: against inflation and also to protect value even if the 420 00:22:04,977 --> 00:22:07,897 Speaker 1: dollar gets into really rough shape. Gold and silver can 421 00:22:07,937 --> 00:22:10,577 Speaker 1: be a protection for your portfolio. So why not have 422 00:22:10,617 --> 00:22:13,377 Speaker 1: gold and silver on hand? Try the Oxford Gold Group. 423 00:22:13,417 --> 00:22:15,817 Speaker 1: That's who I trust, That's who I go to call 424 00:22:15,897 --> 00:22:17,497 Speaker 1: is free, and the people on the receiving end of 425 00:22:17,497 --> 00:22:20,577 Speaker 1: the call are knowledgeable and trustworthy. Eight three three four 426 00:22:20,697 --> 00:22:24,337 Speaker 1: three zero buck. That's a three three four three zero 427 00:22:24,857 --> 00:22:28,497 Speaker 1: b uc k A three three four three zero buck. 428 00:22:28,817 --> 00:22:31,137 Speaker 1: Call the Oxford Gold Group. Get some gold, Get some silver. 429 00:22:31,377 --> 00:22:33,857 Speaker 1: Take action today so that you're ready, because I think 430 00:22:33,857 --> 00:22:35,737 Speaker 1: the economy is actually gonna get really ugly for the 431 00:22:36,017 --> 00:22:40,297 Speaker 1: latter part of this year. All right, Ms Millius, Why 432 00:22:40,337 --> 00:22:44,377 Speaker 1: can't we just make really cool movies about stories that 433 00:22:44,457 --> 00:22:47,497 Speaker 1: people care about on the right anymore? Like why is 434 00:22:47,537 --> 00:22:49,457 Speaker 1: it like I sit here like I can just tell you. 435 00:22:49,537 --> 00:22:51,497 Speaker 1: I know that I'm a civilian, so you can tell 436 00:22:51,537 --> 00:22:54,817 Speaker 1: me I'm silly, But I'm just like, why, you know, fine, 437 00:22:54,897 --> 00:22:57,857 Speaker 1: I don't know these things, But like Ridley Scott making 438 00:22:58,097 --> 00:23:00,777 Speaker 1: a movie about the Great Siege of Malta or something like, 439 00:23:00,777 --> 00:23:04,097 Speaker 1: there's so many awesome concepts out there, and instead like 440 00:23:04,177 --> 00:23:08,817 Speaker 1: Disney is giving us fire and water because fire is 441 00:23:08,857 --> 00:23:11,297 Speaker 1: being racist against water or you know that just happened, right, 442 00:23:11,337 --> 00:23:14,457 Speaker 1: Like that's elemental, that's what just happened. Why can't we 443 00:23:14,457 --> 00:23:15,737 Speaker 1: get good stuff made anymore? 444 00:23:18,097 --> 00:23:21,697 Speaker 2: I talked about this since I think before I went 445 00:23:21,737 --> 00:23:25,137 Speaker 2: to film school because I saw it. Look Hollywood first 446 00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:26,897 Speaker 2: of all, a couple of reasons. Hollywood was the first 447 00:23:26,897 --> 00:23:30,057 Speaker 2: industry that China purchased. It was their toe in the 448 00:23:30,097 --> 00:23:32,817 Speaker 2: water of the American market. Granted, they were messing around 449 00:23:32,817 --> 00:23:35,337 Speaker 2: with a bunch of land stuff for a long time, 450 00:23:35,337 --> 00:23:38,057 Speaker 2: but people, you know, when I was at State Department again, 451 00:23:38,617 --> 00:23:42,617 Speaker 2: I remember getting briefed on China's involvement in Hollywood, and 452 00:23:42,617 --> 00:23:46,057 Speaker 2: I was like, uh, yeah, bro, I know. I remember, 453 00:23:46,177 --> 00:23:48,177 Speaker 2: like my dad made Red Dawn and then they did 454 00:23:48,217 --> 00:23:50,617 Speaker 2: the remake. They had to change it to North Korea 455 00:23:50,697 --> 00:23:54,217 Speaker 2: as to not offend the Chinese markets. So okay. One 456 00:23:54,257 --> 00:23:55,617 Speaker 2: of the reasons is China. 457 00:23:55,417 --> 00:23:57,657 Speaker 1: Owns Wait, can you tell the audience real quick who 458 00:23:57,697 --> 00:23:59,377 Speaker 1: your dad is, just so they know because they may not. 459 00:24:00,137 --> 00:24:04,017 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, my dad is John Millius. Great film writer 460 00:24:04,217 --> 00:24:07,457 Speaker 2: and director. I mean really the greatest writer of our generation. 461 00:24:07,617 --> 00:24:12,537 Speaker 2: I feels weird saying that, but I leave it. He's awesome. 462 00:24:13,217 --> 00:24:18,137 Speaker 2: He did. He wrote Apocalypse Now, wrote and directed Conan 463 00:24:18,177 --> 00:24:21,817 Speaker 2: the Barbarian, Red Dawn, wind in the Lion, the TV 464 00:24:21,897 --> 00:24:24,657 Speaker 2: series Rome, which is really interesting. 465 00:24:25,177 --> 00:24:27,097 Speaker 1: I love that series. 466 00:24:27,617 --> 00:24:29,817 Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched it once every two or three years. 467 00:24:29,857 --> 00:24:30,657 Speaker 2: Because I just have to. 468 00:24:30,857 --> 00:24:33,977 Speaker 1: I think, I'm sorry, I'm actually now fan boying a 469 00:24:33,977 --> 00:24:38,177 Speaker 1: little bit. I think that is the most underrated scripted 470 00:24:38,297 --> 00:24:40,817 Speaker 1: series that I have ever seen. Not that people didn't 471 00:24:40,817 --> 00:24:42,657 Speaker 1: realize this, but like it just didn't get it was 472 00:24:42,657 --> 00:24:44,897 Speaker 1: too expensive, so they didn't make the third season whatever, 473 00:24:44,977 --> 00:24:46,177 Speaker 1: but like that's a phenomenon. 474 00:24:46,297 --> 00:24:52,457 Speaker 2: They changed HBO had a female CEO come in. That 475 00:24:52,617 --> 00:24:54,977 Speaker 2: this is people. Some people are like, oh, they canceled 476 00:24:55,177 --> 00:24:58,097 Speaker 2: the last because Rome could have gone on for ten seasons, right, 477 00:24:58,137 --> 00:25:02,737 Speaker 2: because my dad could write Roman history for every single Caesar, right, 478 00:25:02,817 --> 00:25:05,737 Speaker 2: every single leader all the way to the decline of 479 00:25:05,817 --> 00:25:09,577 Speaker 2: Rome and beyond. Probably my dad's a massive history buff 480 00:25:09,577 --> 00:25:12,177 Speaker 2: and he'll throw and all kinds of wacky stuff from 481 00:25:12,177 --> 00:25:15,017 Speaker 2: his own personal point of view that is really fun. 482 00:25:15,057 --> 00:25:19,297 Speaker 2: But they they canceled it because he really didn't get 483 00:25:19,297 --> 00:25:22,337 Speaker 2: along with them. You know. That show was probably the 484 00:25:22,377 --> 00:25:26,737 Speaker 2: second hour long drama that did really well because I 485 00:25:26,737 --> 00:25:28,817 Speaker 2: think it was around the time of the Sopranos, which 486 00:25:28,817 --> 00:25:31,697 Speaker 2: this is when I mean those pre mad Men, so 487 00:25:32,057 --> 00:25:35,497 Speaker 2: it had it was. It was really before people got 488 00:25:35,537 --> 00:25:39,057 Speaker 2: to this point where they were like the quality storytelling, acting, 489 00:25:39,577 --> 00:25:42,577 Speaker 2: and production is in this hour long drama on either 490 00:25:42,737 --> 00:25:46,217 Speaker 2: HBO Showtime, you know, certainly not Netflix at that point 491 00:25:46,297 --> 00:25:49,017 Speaker 2: or anything like that. Netflix didn't kick that off until 492 00:25:49,057 --> 00:25:53,217 Speaker 2: House of Cards. But all of that stuff was new. 493 00:25:53,417 --> 00:25:57,057 Speaker 2: That was a new format. High high quality, hour long 494 00:25:57,257 --> 00:26:02,177 Speaker 2: programming was not a thing until the Sopranos. So it's 495 00:26:02,257 --> 00:26:05,417 Speaker 2: it just it was really ahead of its time. And 496 00:26:06,097 --> 00:26:09,737 Speaker 2: between that and Conan there certainly wouldn't have been a 497 00:26:09,737 --> 00:26:12,537 Speaker 2: Game of Thrones, but there were many There were quite 498 00:26:12,537 --> 00:26:15,417 Speaker 2: a few years between those shows, but yeah, they had 499 00:26:15,497 --> 00:26:21,617 Speaker 2: they changed CEOs. My dad was politically. I mean, people 500 00:26:21,617 --> 00:26:24,097 Speaker 2: say I'm to the right of him. I think he's 501 00:26:24,137 --> 00:26:26,257 Speaker 2: to the right of me. It's hard to tell. We 502 00:26:26,417 --> 00:26:28,697 Speaker 2: just sort of trade off, but we're both pretty right wing, 503 00:26:29,697 --> 00:26:32,217 Speaker 2: and you know, things were starting to change. Like in 504 00:26:32,257 --> 00:26:35,937 Speaker 2: the seventies, nobody cared. Like all his best friends were 505 00:26:35,937 --> 00:26:38,097 Speaker 2: all the film school of brats, right, like Steven Spielberg, 506 00:26:38,097 --> 00:26:43,257 Speaker 2: George Lucas, Francis Koppola, all these guys, like, they didn't 507 00:26:43,377 --> 00:26:45,897 Speaker 2: they they didn't think about politics. In fact, nobody really 508 00:26:45,937 --> 00:26:48,297 Speaker 2: thought about politics, at least from what I could remember, 509 00:26:48,377 --> 00:26:51,297 Speaker 2: until like twenty fifteen or sixteen did it become a 510 00:26:52,217 --> 00:26:54,697 Speaker 2: defining part of who you were. It was just like 511 00:26:55,177 --> 00:26:57,777 Speaker 2: unless you worked in politics or in the government, it 512 00:26:57,817 --> 00:27:02,057 Speaker 2: wasn't nobody cared really. But anyway, so you know, you're 513 00:27:02,057 --> 00:27:04,497 Speaker 2: coming up onto the era where people start to care. 514 00:27:04,617 --> 00:27:08,457 Speaker 2: Hollywood cared before most. So there's another reason why it sucks. 515 00:27:08,817 --> 00:27:11,777 Speaker 2: They don't just care about making money. If they did 516 00:27:11,857 --> 00:27:14,057 Speaker 2: just care about making money, they would have made a 517 00:27:14,097 --> 00:27:16,897 Speaker 2: gazillion versions of American Sniper, because that was one of 518 00:27:16,937 --> 00:27:20,017 Speaker 2: the most profitable movies that was appealing to the entire country. 519 00:27:22,017 --> 00:27:25,777 Speaker 2: Top Gun, even from last last year, I think, was 520 00:27:26,177 --> 00:27:31,017 Speaker 2: fairly unpolitical and did very very well. I don't they're 521 00:27:31,017 --> 00:27:34,977 Speaker 2: not making action movies like that. They're making female James Bond, 522 00:27:35,177 --> 00:27:37,897 Speaker 2: which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. 523 00:27:37,937 --> 00:27:40,577 Speaker 2: I think I talked about that on Breitbart for like 524 00:27:40,617 --> 00:27:43,617 Speaker 2: an hour. I just like exploded with rage about like 525 00:27:43,977 --> 00:27:44,337 Speaker 2: the death. 526 00:27:44,457 --> 00:27:47,937 Speaker 1: Well, you know, they they kind of ruined Indiana Jones 527 00:27:48,017 --> 00:27:51,057 Speaker 1: just by making a really bad version or you know, 528 00:27:51,177 --> 00:27:54,817 Speaker 1: addition to it, and now they've got a female lead 529 00:27:54,857 --> 00:27:58,097 Speaker 1: and apparently it's like they've exhumed the body of Indiana 530 00:27:58,177 --> 00:28:01,257 Speaker 1: Jones after they killed Indiana Jones and are now lighting 531 00:28:01,337 --> 00:28:03,697 Speaker 1: it on fire. And some kind of like ritual post 532 00:28:03,737 --> 00:28:07,817 Speaker 1: mortem sacrifice, like the Well kid, that's the British shit's. 533 00:28:07,817 --> 00:28:10,657 Speaker 2: That's what they're doing to all of our favorite That's 534 00:28:10,697 --> 00:28:12,737 Speaker 2: what they're doing to our whole culture. I said that 535 00:28:12,777 --> 00:28:14,577 Speaker 2: about the James Bond thing, where I was like, they 536 00:28:14,617 --> 00:28:18,297 Speaker 2: had to take the ultimate masculine. The whole point of 537 00:28:18,417 --> 00:28:23,097 Speaker 2: James Bond is he is the male fantasy of a 538 00:28:23,177 --> 00:28:27,537 Speaker 2: guy with cool gadgets, guns, a license to kill, always 539 00:28:27,577 --> 00:28:31,377 Speaker 2: in a cool foreign country, doing sexy stuff, always waking 540 00:28:31,457 --> 00:28:34,337 Speaker 2: up next to a new chick, like whatever. Whatever. The 541 00:28:34,337 --> 00:28:40,257 Speaker 2: male fantasy of this sort of dapper character was part 542 00:28:40,337 --> 00:28:42,977 Speaker 2: of part of the whole culture, and they had to 543 00:28:43,097 --> 00:28:46,617 Speaker 2: make him a total cook in the last before they 544 00:28:46,617 --> 00:28:49,497 Speaker 2: finally kill him. They had to they had to ruin 545 00:28:49,617 --> 00:28:53,617 Speaker 2: who he was as a character, because you're not allowed 546 00:28:53,657 --> 00:28:56,737 Speaker 2: to think like that anymore. You're not allowed to That's 547 00:28:56,817 --> 00:29:00,657 Speaker 2: no longer an acceptable fantasy. And that's what they're doing yet. 548 00:29:00,657 --> 00:29:04,977 Speaker 2: I mean Indiana Jones, like again, like the Adventurer, the 549 00:29:05,457 --> 00:29:09,297 Speaker 2: the discoverer, like this thing boys would dream about of being, like, 550 00:29:10,177 --> 00:29:12,297 Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to be an archaeologist and find 551 00:29:12,377 --> 00:29:14,937 Speaker 2: weird cool stuff and swing from ropes and dah da 552 00:29:15,017 --> 00:29:18,697 Speaker 2: da dah, Like all of these male fantasies have to 553 00:29:18,737 --> 00:29:21,697 Speaker 2: be murdered before they put them to bed, before they 554 00:29:21,897 --> 00:29:24,577 Speaker 2: change these characters over, and it's it is an assault 555 00:29:24,617 --> 00:29:26,817 Speaker 2: on our country. I think this is this is kind 556 00:29:26,817 --> 00:29:28,577 Speaker 2: of where I started to go. I did a speech 557 00:29:28,617 --> 00:29:33,017 Speaker 2: about this at nat CON, comparing something like the current 558 00:29:33,137 --> 00:29:36,137 Speaker 2: James Bond to the Searchers or something. You know, great 559 00:29:36,417 --> 00:29:40,657 Speaker 2: movie that really meaningful. In my family, my dad's favorite movie. 560 00:29:41,017 --> 00:29:44,177 Speaker 2: He named my brother Ethan. I didn't get any cool names, 561 00:29:44,177 --> 00:29:46,977 Speaker 2: but but his sons did. They were older than me, 562 00:29:47,217 --> 00:29:51,137 Speaker 2: so they got all the cool names. But they you know, 563 00:29:51,337 --> 00:29:54,777 Speaker 2: it's you compare the movies that were made at that time, 564 00:29:55,617 --> 00:29:57,257 Speaker 2: and these a lot of those movies, you know, in 565 00:29:57,297 --> 00:30:01,657 Speaker 2: the thirties, forties, fifties, you know, even in the sixties 566 00:30:01,977 --> 00:30:05,497 Speaker 2: were made by immigrants, a lot of Jewish immigrants, a 567 00:30:05,537 --> 00:30:09,937 Speaker 2: lot of German immigrants, a lot of just a lot 568 00:30:09,937 --> 00:30:12,537 Speaker 2: of of people who were just so pro America because 569 00:30:12,537 --> 00:30:14,417 Speaker 2: they were getting the hell out of where they were, 570 00:30:14,617 --> 00:30:17,137 Speaker 2: and so they made some of the most patriotic movies 571 00:30:17,137 --> 00:30:22,057 Speaker 2: of all time. Italian Oh, well, you've got the Sergio 572 00:30:22,137 --> 00:30:26,817 Speaker 2: Leoni Ones, which was just an homage to the American 573 00:30:26,857 --> 00:30:32,017 Speaker 2: West as a concept. I mean, Sergiolioni is awesome. Like 574 00:30:32,177 --> 00:30:35,497 Speaker 2: just I copied so much of that for my student 575 00:30:35,657 --> 00:30:40,137 Speaker 2: my thesis film, my first one. But anyway, so yeah, 576 00:30:39,937 --> 00:30:42,497 Speaker 2: the film and the reason this matters, it's not just 577 00:30:43,137 --> 00:30:47,297 Speaker 2: culture war stuff. It's because my argument is that this 578 00:30:47,337 --> 00:30:50,937 Speaker 2: is the most important export America had. Right the Cold War, 579 00:30:50,977 --> 00:30:53,937 Speaker 2: we could argue was won by blue jeans, rock and 580 00:30:54,017 --> 00:30:55,217 Speaker 2: roll in American. 581 00:30:54,817 --> 00:30:58,097 Speaker 1: Films, not by ICBMs. 582 00:30:58,177 --> 00:31:03,177 Speaker 2: Yeah right, Like so so now when we're only exporting 583 00:31:03,297 --> 00:31:06,337 Speaker 2: things that tell the world that were a racist, terrible place, 584 00:31:06,537 --> 00:31:09,537 Speaker 2: that sexist, and all of these other awful things. I mean, 585 00:31:09,817 --> 00:31:11,577 Speaker 2: the only benefit to it I can think of is 586 00:31:11,617 --> 00:31:14,377 Speaker 2: maybe it'll stop people from constantly trying to immigrate here 587 00:31:14,417 --> 00:31:16,217 Speaker 2: and like across the border. But it doesn't seem to 588 00:31:16,217 --> 00:31:20,977 Speaker 2: be working. But that's not China's not telling mythology to 589 00:31:21,137 --> 00:31:25,737 Speaker 2: its itself. That's terrible about itself. We're the only ones 590 00:31:25,777 --> 00:31:26,217 Speaker 2: doing that. 591 00:31:26,377 --> 00:31:32,417 Speaker 1: Like, China is actually delusional about its recent history as 592 00:31:32,417 --> 00:31:35,017 Speaker 1: a country and does not allow anyone to talk about 593 00:31:35,177 --> 00:31:37,937 Speaker 1: When I tell people that forty to sixty million people 594 00:31:38,057 --> 00:31:41,297 Speaker 1: died in the middle of the twentieth century, in China 595 00:31:41,657 --> 00:31:45,817 Speaker 1: in a man induced famine. They're just like, no way, 596 00:31:45,857 --> 00:31:48,617 Speaker 1: your numbers are right, and I'm like check them. How 597 00:31:48,657 --> 00:31:51,217 Speaker 1: do they not know that? Yeah? 598 00:31:51,697 --> 00:31:54,217 Speaker 2: Great, I mean that you know they know the way 599 00:31:54,257 --> 00:31:58,257 Speaker 2: I learned that was so my dad's last script that 600 00:31:58,337 --> 00:32:01,457 Speaker 2: he wrote was Genghis Khan, and Genghis Khan has mentioned 601 00:32:01,457 --> 00:32:04,337 Speaker 2: in almost every one of my dad's movies, and so 602 00:32:04,417 --> 00:32:06,417 Speaker 2: of course he's obsessed with Ganghis Khan and he thinks 603 00:32:06,417 --> 00:32:11,937 Speaker 2: he is Ganghis Khan and he wrote this amazing, amazing, 604 00:32:12,137 --> 00:32:16,377 Speaker 2: just epic script can't get made for a variety of reasons, 605 00:32:17,377 --> 00:32:20,777 Speaker 2: like most of my dad's unmade scripts. But I do 606 00:32:20,817 --> 00:32:22,617 Speaker 2: remember when I was a kid, the first time I 607 00:32:22,657 --> 00:32:25,857 Speaker 2: saw this is he walked out of a room full 608 00:32:25,897 --> 00:32:30,057 Speaker 2: of Chinese dudes because one producer had somehow secured funding 609 00:32:30,097 --> 00:32:32,257 Speaker 2: through China. This is the beginning of all this. This 610 00:32:32,417 --> 00:32:34,817 Speaker 2: is like many years ago. I was like a kid, 611 00:32:35,417 --> 00:32:37,577 Speaker 2: and my dad was like, I wouldn't take notes from 612 00:32:37,737 --> 00:32:42,057 Speaker 2: American executives about my scripts, Like screw these guys. I'm late, 613 00:32:42,097 --> 00:32:45,177 Speaker 2: we're leaving, and we just left. And they were trying 614 00:32:45,217 --> 00:32:48,857 Speaker 2: to correct the Ganghi's con story to match their version 615 00:32:49,057 --> 00:32:53,897 Speaker 2: of that history, and that was the beginning of my 616 00:32:54,217 --> 00:32:58,737 Speaker 2: exposure to China. Just absolutely purchasing Hollywood, and like I said, 617 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:02,457 Speaker 2: I go on about it because no culture or nation 618 00:33:02,617 --> 00:33:06,857 Speaker 2: can survive if the mythology they're telling itself about itself 619 00:33:07,057 --> 00:33:09,577 Speaker 2: is that is as bad as what Hollywood is saying 620 00:33:09,577 --> 00:33:13,097 Speaker 2: to us. It's it's it's bad for women, it's bad 621 00:33:13,137 --> 00:33:17,657 Speaker 2: for men, it's bad for all racial categories, it's bad 622 00:33:17,737 --> 00:33:22,457 Speaker 2: for everything. So it's yeah, it's it's a I That's 623 00:33:22,457 --> 00:33:24,257 Speaker 2: why I'm like, Okay, fine, I'm not going to pick 624 00:33:24,257 --> 00:33:27,137 Speaker 2: on the conservatives making movies too much, like make more movies. 625 00:33:27,177 --> 00:33:29,377 Speaker 2: It's good. Yes, it's all conservatives. We need to be 626 00:33:29,417 --> 00:33:30,257 Speaker 2: making movies, but. 627 00:33:30,217 --> 00:33:33,177 Speaker 1: Like I also think there need to be more more. 628 00:33:33,657 --> 00:33:36,697 Speaker 1: You know, we've we've lost some even it's not even 629 00:33:36,697 --> 00:33:40,577 Speaker 1: necessarily overtly political, although there's some of this and stories 630 00:33:40,697 --> 00:33:44,377 Speaker 1: in good vies, just good stories that aren't woke crap 631 00:33:44,457 --> 00:33:46,977 Speaker 1: meant to brainwash people into hating themselves in the country 632 00:33:46,977 --> 00:33:48,857 Speaker 1: that they live in. I mean, I even put you know, 633 00:33:48,897 --> 00:33:52,177 Speaker 1: whether it's Tom Clancy, Michael Crichton, like some of these authors, 634 00:33:52,817 --> 00:33:55,697 Speaker 1: I mean, Crichton turned very hard against for example, climate 635 00:33:55,777 --> 00:33:58,617 Speaker 1: change really, because you know, he's a Harvard trained MD, 636 00:33:58,697 --> 00:34:00,617 Speaker 1: and he's just like, this is idiocy, Like all these 637 00:34:00,657 --> 00:34:03,337 Speaker 1: people walking around saying this, he's like, and he's like, 638 00:34:03,457 --> 00:34:05,297 Speaker 1: I'm a smart guy, I'm super rich. I don't care. 639 00:34:05,457 --> 00:34:08,897 Speaker 1: The climate change stuff is crap. And they went bonkers 640 00:34:08,897 --> 00:34:11,097 Speaker 1: on him, of course. But I you're you're really in 641 00:34:11,137 --> 00:34:13,097 Speaker 1: the NBA, right am? I right about this? 642 00:34:13,217 --> 00:34:15,457 Speaker 2: I'm into the very into basketball. 643 00:34:15,537 --> 00:34:18,337 Speaker 1: Yeah, right in the NBA. Yeah, Like, we're gonna tell. 644 00:34:18,177 --> 00:34:20,657 Speaker 2: Me not college basketball were really good. You're gonna let 645 00:34:20,657 --> 00:34:22,377 Speaker 2: me talk about basketball. 646 00:34:22,177 --> 00:34:23,737 Speaker 1: Just how we're gonna close the show out. So I'm 647 00:34:23,737 --> 00:34:26,377 Speaker 1: gonna ask you tough questions. I used to be in 648 00:34:26,417 --> 00:34:29,217 Speaker 1: to the basketball until I realized I was never gonna 649 00:34:29,257 --> 00:34:31,377 Speaker 1: be more than scraping the bottom of six feet like 650 00:34:31,417 --> 00:34:34,137 Speaker 1: five eleven and three quarters. But we will tell you. 651 00:34:33,937 --> 00:34:36,297 Speaker 2: You missed out. You could have stuck through it because 652 00:34:36,337 --> 00:34:38,737 Speaker 2: this is the era of the You could have been 653 00:34:38,777 --> 00:34:41,097 Speaker 2: the Steph Curry of your college. How do you know? 654 00:34:41,177 --> 00:34:42,937 Speaker 2: I mean, you could have been suddenly the best three 655 00:34:42,977 --> 00:34:45,177 Speaker 2: point shooter of Like I don't I don't know where 656 00:34:45,177 --> 00:34:46,497 Speaker 2: do cia guys go to college? 657 00:34:46,577 --> 00:34:49,337 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, uh, I mean you know, like 658 00:34:49,497 --> 00:34:51,737 Speaker 1: more CIA directors went to amhers where I went than 659 00:34:51,777 --> 00:34:53,657 Speaker 1: any other school, which is kind of a funny fact 660 00:34:53,697 --> 00:34:56,057 Speaker 1: about Amherst. Yeah, so there you go. We've got we 661 00:34:56,177 --> 00:34:58,457 Speaker 1: got three of them. 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I'm gonna guess you're twenty five, because I'm 690 00:36:13,777 --> 00:36:16,057 Speaker 1: told now that all all young ladies are you know, 691 00:36:16,217 --> 00:36:17,777 Speaker 1: if you're on TV with them to say they're twenty 692 00:36:17,777 --> 00:36:22,177 Speaker 1: five because they can't get mad at you. But yeah, right, exactly, 693 00:36:22,537 --> 00:36:24,097 Speaker 1: So I don't know how old you are. You maybe, 694 00:36:24,217 --> 00:36:29,657 Speaker 1: though slightly in the same generation. What's up? It's classified classified, 695 00:36:29,737 --> 00:36:32,337 Speaker 1: right you? Maybe? Though not too far away from my direction. 696 00:36:32,977 --> 00:36:34,977 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I think you're a fellow millennial. How 697 00:36:35,017 --> 00:36:36,937 Speaker 1: about that, you're fellow millennial. I'll put that out there. 698 00:36:36,977 --> 00:36:42,097 Speaker 1: That sounds probably correct. So yeah, right, yeah, that covers it. Yeah, 699 00:36:42,097 --> 00:36:45,097 Speaker 1: that covers it, right, because I grew up watching the 700 00:36:45,137 --> 00:36:47,697 Speaker 1: New York Knicks when they were this like fun and 701 00:36:47,977 --> 00:36:50,297 Speaker 1: honestly been watching on TV. I would go. I had 702 00:36:50,337 --> 00:36:52,937 Speaker 1: an uncle who had season tickets a few years. So 703 00:36:52,937 --> 00:36:54,297 Speaker 1: I didn't go all the time because I'm out of 704 00:36:54,297 --> 00:36:56,017 Speaker 1: some but I would go till some of the games. 705 00:36:56,977 --> 00:36:59,577 Speaker 1: I went to, I don't know, probably twenty or thirty 706 00:36:59,617 --> 00:37:02,377 Speaker 1: Knicks games growing up, which is not a ton, but 707 00:37:02,417 --> 00:37:03,697 Speaker 1: for me that was a lot because I have them 708 00:37:03,737 --> 00:37:06,057 Speaker 1: into like a basketball game, and god, I don't know 709 00:37:06,097 --> 00:37:09,537 Speaker 1: now twenty years so I don't go anymore. I can't 710 00:37:09,577 --> 00:37:12,217 Speaker 1: stand the NBA because of its politics. 711 00:37:13,057 --> 00:37:14,937 Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me fix you. 712 00:37:15,737 --> 00:37:17,417 Speaker 1: You gotta help me with this because I used to watch. 713 00:37:17,457 --> 00:37:20,457 Speaker 1: I mean, I go back to Charles Oakley and Ewing 714 00:37:20,537 --> 00:37:23,097 Speaker 1: and Anthony Mason and the bomb squad and the whole thing, 715 00:37:23,137 --> 00:37:24,017 Speaker 1: like I was all about it. 716 00:37:24,257 --> 00:37:29,337 Speaker 2: Michael Michael Jordan's saying Republicans buy sneakers too is the key, right, Okay, 717 00:37:29,417 --> 00:37:32,377 Speaker 2: So here we go the year in the bubble. We 718 00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:35,057 Speaker 2: don't count that because it is And I say that 719 00:37:35,097 --> 00:37:38,497 Speaker 2: as a diehard Lakers fan. Okay, I'm willing to give 720 00:37:38,577 --> 00:37:41,577 Speaker 2: up that flag, right, I could give a crap about 721 00:37:41,617 --> 00:37:44,537 Speaker 2: the bubble year, it doesn't count. I don't accept Lebron 722 00:37:44,617 --> 00:37:48,497 Speaker 2: as a Laker. I it's very conflicting for me because 723 00:37:48,497 --> 00:37:49,937 Speaker 2: I still want the Lakers to win. I just want 724 00:37:50,017 --> 00:37:51,657 Speaker 2: him to be on the bench and out of my sight. 725 00:37:52,217 --> 00:37:54,937 Speaker 2: But I you know, I grew up in Los Angeles, 726 00:37:54,937 --> 00:37:58,057 Speaker 2: so I am about basketball is my sport, Like that's 727 00:37:58,097 --> 00:38:00,577 Speaker 2: just how it is. We have like ten basketball teams 728 00:38:00,577 --> 00:38:05,937 Speaker 2: in California. So and I grew up watching Kobe, and 729 00:38:06,017 --> 00:38:08,737 Speaker 2: I'm I'm I don't know if anyone who's been on 730 00:38:08,777 --> 00:38:12,097 Speaker 2: my Twitter knows I'm oked with Kobe Bryant. Like Kobe Bryant, 731 00:38:12,097 --> 00:38:15,897 Speaker 2: I've read every book that he's involved and related to 732 00:38:16,057 --> 00:38:20,537 Speaker 2: the Mamba mentality surmises what my dad used to teach 733 00:38:20,617 --> 00:38:23,657 Speaker 2: me as a young girl. How to be you know, 734 00:38:24,537 --> 00:38:27,257 Speaker 2: brave enough to be hated by people, and how to 735 00:38:27,617 --> 00:38:32,697 Speaker 2: direct that energy into something that's productive and unbeatable, and 736 00:38:32,737 --> 00:38:35,457 Speaker 2: how to be the best and this whole thing about discipline. 737 00:38:35,657 --> 00:38:37,577 Speaker 2: Like the other day I was doing we were doing 738 00:38:38,097 --> 00:38:42,777 Speaker 2: a film review on this other podcast, The Backwall, which 739 00:38:42,817 --> 00:38:46,457 Speaker 2: is the cinema sports cast that I do with my friends. 740 00:38:46,737 --> 00:38:49,337 Speaker 2: We're doing he Got Game, you know, Spike Lee's movie 741 00:38:49,337 --> 00:38:53,777 Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety eight. Amazing period of time, amazing message 742 00:38:53,777 --> 00:38:55,457 Speaker 2: in that movie. By the way, I encourage you to 743 00:38:55,537 --> 00:38:59,857 Speaker 2: revisit that movie. The message about parenting in that video 744 00:38:59,977 --> 00:39:04,577 Speaker 2: is absolutely gone from American culture. It's incredible. Anyway we 745 00:39:04,897 --> 00:39:07,417 Speaker 2: ignore the year of the Bubble, even if the Lakers 746 00:39:07,417 --> 00:39:11,857 Speaker 2: won a championship this year. I returned to the NBA 747 00:39:12,177 --> 00:39:16,097 Speaker 2: because I am so sick of the political infighting that 748 00:39:16,217 --> 00:39:19,257 Speaker 2: was going on on Twitter that I was like, I 749 00:39:19,457 --> 00:39:22,577 Speaker 2: just want to watch something purer. Sports I always loved 750 00:39:22,617 --> 00:39:26,097 Speaker 2: because it was pure. As long as they continue counting 751 00:39:26,257 --> 00:39:28,777 Speaker 2: points and there is a winner any loser, and they 752 00:39:28,817 --> 00:39:32,617 Speaker 2: don't give trophies to everybody. As far as I'm concerned, 753 00:39:32,737 --> 00:39:35,937 Speaker 2: it's still pure. They don't have the BLM stuff written 754 00:39:35,937 --> 00:39:38,777 Speaker 2: on the court anymore. Now you gotta worry about baseball. 755 00:39:39,097 --> 00:39:43,577 Speaker 2: Basketball has cleaned itself up completely. There is no politics 756 00:39:43,577 --> 00:39:46,817 Speaker 2: in it anymore. That was like one year where yeah, 757 00:39:46,857 --> 00:39:48,817 Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't watch well. When I was in government, 758 00:39:48,817 --> 00:39:51,137 Speaker 2: I didn't have time to watch anything. So I missed 759 00:39:52,257 --> 00:39:56,377 Speaker 2: four years with the movie five years of Basketball. So 760 00:39:56,457 --> 00:39:59,257 Speaker 2: I literally at one point asked the guys that I 761 00:39:59,297 --> 00:40:02,897 Speaker 2: do the sports cast the sports Ball cast with I 762 00:40:02,937 --> 00:40:06,377 Speaker 2: was like, whatever happened to Anthony Davis? He's on the Lakers, dude. 763 00:40:06,457 --> 00:40:09,377 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, awesome, all right, we got Anthony Davis. Cool. 764 00:40:10,577 --> 00:40:12,217 Speaker 2: So like, I'm not, like, you know, trying to be 765 00:40:12,297 --> 00:40:14,657 Speaker 2: some absolute expert, but by the end of the season, 766 00:40:14,817 --> 00:40:17,817 Speaker 2: like I can, I can out bit basketball talk anybody, 767 00:40:18,777 --> 00:40:21,537 Speaker 2: because I mean, it's just my it's my blood. I mean, 768 00:40:21,577 --> 00:40:24,977 Speaker 2: it's it's I just live for it. And as long 769 00:40:25,017 --> 00:40:27,897 Speaker 2: as it's like the comforting sounds of a of a 770 00:40:27,977 --> 00:40:31,297 Speaker 2: game on in the background, would you rather hear that 771 00:40:31,777 --> 00:40:33,937 Speaker 2: or the news? Like, I don't want to hear the 772 00:40:33,977 --> 00:40:36,217 Speaker 2: news anymore. I know all those people that sounds. It 773 00:40:36,217 --> 00:40:38,017 Speaker 2: sounds like being in a room full of people I 774 00:40:38,057 --> 00:40:39,817 Speaker 2: know arguing with each other. I just want to hear 775 00:40:39,857 --> 00:40:43,897 Speaker 2: the squeaky shoes and the low, steady voices of the 776 00:40:43,977 --> 00:40:48,137 Speaker 2: announcers with the occasional excitement about a three and and 777 00:40:48,217 --> 00:40:52,057 Speaker 2: I'm good. Like that's that. Basketball is just beautiful to me. 778 00:40:52,137 --> 00:40:55,017 Speaker 2: It's my It's like my favorite art form. I can, 779 00:40:55,017 --> 00:40:56,217 Speaker 2: I can, I can watch it. 780 00:40:58,377 --> 00:41:00,097 Speaker 1: One we're compelling pitches for it I've heard in a 781 00:41:00,097 --> 00:41:00,577 Speaker 1: long time. 782 00:41:00,857 --> 00:41:04,177 Speaker 2: So I mean, and look you men have strip clubs 783 00:41:04,177 --> 00:41:07,897 Speaker 2: to go to. I gotta watch professional sports like I 784 00:41:07,897 --> 00:41:09,657 Speaker 2: don't know how to explain that any better. 785 00:41:10,937 --> 00:41:15,697 Speaker 1: I'll take it. Amanda Milius, everybody check out her on Twitter, 786 00:41:16,297 --> 00:41:19,057 Speaker 1: uh you know. And and Amanda, we gotta get you 787 00:41:19,097 --> 00:41:20,777 Speaker 1: come back some time. You gotta get you on the 788 00:41:20,817 --> 00:41:22,777 Speaker 1: on the radio show with Clay by the way, we 789 00:41:22,817 --> 00:41:24,217 Speaker 1: would have a lot of fun with three of us 790 00:41:24,257 --> 00:41:26,737 Speaker 1: talking about things you will. That would be really good stuff. 791 00:41:26,777 --> 00:41:28,777 Speaker 1: So we'll set that up. Thank you so much, and 792 00:41:28,897 --> 00:41:29,937 Speaker 1: everybody will talk to you soon. 793 00:41:30,897 --> 00:41:32,337 Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks for having me on