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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Thursday November nineteenth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode

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Speaker 1: number sixty seven. Welcome to another edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: I'm Derek Eagleston, joined by Dave Hellman, Nick Eatman, Amber Garcia.

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Speaker 1: We're at the s WBC Mortgage studio at the Star

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Speaker 1: at least Dave and I are. We got our crew

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Speaker 1: with us, and we're gonna spend about forty five minutes

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Speaker 1: today talking to Cowboys football with you. Guys. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have here coming up shortly. Bucky Brooks will be joining us.

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Speaker 1: He'll have some insight on the Minnesota Vikings defense versus

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Speaker 1: a Cowboys offense. We're also going to have a topic

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Speaker 1: today that Nick brought up to me. If you were

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Speaker 1: listening to the show yesterday, you heard Bucky make reference

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Speaker 1: to this idea of a truck or trailer and if

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Speaker 1: you don't know what that means, just stay tuned. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about it a little bit later. But that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be an interesting topic we'll get into. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about Dak Prescott. Is he a truck or a trailer?

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Speaker 1: Through that in the second segment of today's show, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll get some fan questions in the final segment

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Speaker 1: that Amber's pulled together from you guys out there on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you want to send some questions,

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Speaker 1: you can also hit me on Twitter at Derek Eagleton

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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry at the Eagleton I think it is

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's first get some updates on some injuries.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Tyler Battish. He did not practice yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Has a hamstring injury. Dave, how long is he expected

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Speaker 1: to be out at this point or do we know? Well,

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Speaker 1: we've kind of we figured when it happened that you're

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Speaker 1: probably talking about a multiple week injury. I would guess

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Speaker 1: somewhere between two and four. You know, Mike McCarthy hates

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Speaker 1: that gives you optimism that it's not super long term.

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Speaker 1: So he's not gonna play against Minnesota, but and probably

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Speaker 1: not Thanksgiving either because it's you know, short week, but

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Speaker 1: maybe Baltimore or the week after that, Like I would

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Speaker 1: guess it's too Like I said two to four, just

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Speaker 1: depending Nick, do you expect it when Beatist is back

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Speaker 1: they will they stick with their original starter, who's Joe Looney. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that depends on what happens here in these games.

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Speaker 1: Especially you know, if if Looney plays against Washington in

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Speaker 1: a couple of week a week I guess a week

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Speaker 1: from today. It's just because we saw what happened the

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Speaker 1: down to who's playing better. I mean, I thought Louney

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Speaker 1: and and you know, I think that they want to

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Speaker 1: see Beotish, but he's gonna have to be head and

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Speaker 1: shoulders above. You know what Joe Looney is and you

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Speaker 1: gotta just factor in how they're playing and how the

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Speaker 1: team is playing. As you know, if it's two losses,

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Speaker 1: then probably be Odish Amber. How much do you think

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Speaker 1: that this time away is hurting Beodist. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: And you know, sitting to Mike McCarthy, I hate how

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Speaker 1: secretive he tries to be. Like, I get it, But

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Speaker 1: He is not He did not practice yesterday and Mike

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Speaker 1: why are you here? You shouldn't be here if you're coughing? Right?

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Speaker 1: How much? How much not to like derail it, but

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Speaker 1: Like nobody's gonna do that anymore, or you shouldn't really

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously it's it's looked pretty rough since Dack

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Speaker 1: looking at Bend Nucci and Garrett Gilbert obviously, but with

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Speaker 1: we're used to seeing up there, would it maybe be

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Speaker 1: smart to like lean on the pass. You know, And

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Speaker 1: wanting to ride Ezekiel Elliott and use that to limit

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Speaker 1: the mistakes. But are you better off can Andy Dalton

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Speaker 1: take advantage of this secondary because it does seem like

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Speaker 1: there's some pretty favorable matchups there to where maybe you

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Speaker 1: want to throw to set up the run because that's

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Speaker 1: a more favorable option than just charging it to a

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Speaker 1: stack box like that. I mean, there's some certainly some

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Speaker 1: validity to taking that approach. I think the thing that

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Speaker 1: you have to be cautious of is it's fine to

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Speaker 1: kind of start out throwing like maybe the first fifteen

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Speaker 1: ten passes on the script, but those passes should be

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Speaker 1: more ball control than nature. And so I'm not advocating

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Speaker 1: don't worry about trying to take shots. But what I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is, I think the difference was when we saw

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Speaker 1: Gilbert's game plan. The game plan was a very controlled

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Speaker 1: passing attack. Everything was kind of within ten yards. There

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Speaker 1: were these first down why option passes to Shultz, things

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Speaker 1: that were very simple and high completion percentage throws. So

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Speaker 1: if they take that approach, absolutely you can do that

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Speaker 1: with Dalton. But this is a bombs away game plan

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Speaker 1: where Kelly Moore is doaling it up and they're trying

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Speaker 1: to take these shots over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can give the ball back to

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings offense a ton of times and think

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Speaker 1: that the Dallas defense is going to hold up against

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook in that running game. And so it's a

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Speaker 1: delicate balance. It's a fine line. Yes, you want to

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Speaker 1: while still remaining a little more ball controls centric, trying

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Speaker 1: to really retain possession of the football. Bucky, this question

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Speaker 1: two types of quarterbacks a truck or a trailer My

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Speaker 1: question is do you feel like Dak Prescott is a

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Speaker 1: truck or a trailer. Well, I think this year he

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Speaker 1: has shown that he is a trailer because I think

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Speaker 1: when you see the dramatic falloff, I mean he shown

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Speaker 1: that he's a truck this year when you see the

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Speaker 1: dramatic falloff in the offense from the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: year to where we are now. Oh, I think he

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Speaker 1: answered all those questions. I think we've seen that he

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Speaker 1: was covering up for a lot of flaws that we

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Speaker 1: didn't even know that he was dealing with. And so

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Speaker 1: from the offensive line to Ezekiel Elliott underperforming, to the

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Speaker 1: defense not being able to really stop anybody, he single

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Speaker 1: handedly was able to keep the team competitive ending games.

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Speaker 1: So I think, if anything, he moved into a different category.

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Speaker 1: Even though I kind of felt like he proved that

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Speaker 1: last year when he was ringing up these big numbers,

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Speaker 1: I think he confirmed it this year that he is

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Speaker 1: in a different category, that he's absolutely a truck and

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Speaker 1: he is pulling the seam along. We appreciate you joining us, Bucky.

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Speaker 1: We're actually gonna take that conversation and we're gonna dig

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Speaker 1: But we appreciate you giving us the insight on the

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Speaker 1: vitings give us before we But Amber, I was about

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Speaker 1: I thought you were just saying bite to him. I

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Speaker 1: was about to say, give us what's gonna happen this

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Speaker 1: week and give us your tradition. So the biggest thing

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Speaker 1: here is um. I think this is ultimately kind of

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Speaker 1: like the deciding fact of what happens with the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: We would get a chance to see how far they

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Speaker 1: progressed with the running game. I believe that they're better.

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Speaker 1: I believe that they're more physical. I believe that Marcus

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Speaker 1: Lawrence is certainly playing better, and Neville Gallimore has given

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Speaker 1: them something. I think the magic number is one hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty five. They have to keep Dalvin Cook under

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five yards. I'm not gonna sit

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Speaker 1: the bar and say he has to be under one hundred,

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Speaker 1: but he has to keep him under one twenty five.

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Speaker 1: He can't dominate the game. I think it's there for

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Speaker 1: them to do it. But the guy who wears the

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Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith is gonna have the ball out if Jalen

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Speaker 1: Smith doesn't ball out, that's gonna be a problem. If

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Speaker 1: he's running around and not disciplining gaps they're gonna run through.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna slit the defense. He'll have two hundred yards rushing.

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Speaker 1: So Jaylen Smith is the one that where's the big sombrero?

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Speaker 1: This week? Sounds hard? That's a big that's a big gass.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see. We appreciate you joining us, Bucky. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna take our final break. We'll come back. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: jump into this topic of trailer or truck on Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 1: into this conversation a little bit on this truck or trailer.

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Speaker 1: Nick asked the question about Dak Prescott. Just so everybody's aware.

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Speaker 1: I think the concept here is that you know you're

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Speaker 1: either a truck or a trailer as a quarterback, either

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Speaker 1: a guy that can pull the weight, you're the truck,

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Speaker 1: or you're a guy that's kind of being pulled along,

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Speaker 1: you're the trailer. And Nick brought up the question to

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Speaker 1: me last night, and my first thought was, well, of course,

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Speaker 1: everybody's gonna say truck. And then as we started to

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Speaker 1: talk about it, it seemed like there were some areas

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Speaker 1: where you could at least make the you could at

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Speaker 1: least have a discussion about is he really a truck?

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Speaker 1: Are we seeing signs that maybe he could be a truck?

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Speaker 1: But is he really there yet? So Nick, I'll let

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Speaker 1: you first take this question. Tell me your thoughts. Well,

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Speaker 1: I obviously believe that you know, you can develop into

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Speaker 1: a truck if you will. Russell Wilson I think has

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Speaker 1: done that, and I think Dak has has jumped into

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Speaker 1: that category as well. But I think you have to

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Speaker 1: make the case if he wasn't always that, if he's

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Speaker 1: kind of and I think Bucky said it, I agree

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Speaker 1: with him. Last maybe a couple of years he's moved

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Speaker 1: into that. But what is he what is he pulling?

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Speaker 1: Because they're they're ten and eleven, in the last two

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Speaker 1: years since he became this truck. So you see the

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Speaker 1: right truck. Is he you know, is he is he

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Speaker 1: a monster truck or is he just one of those

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, like like what it also like

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Speaker 1: what's he pulling here? So I think I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting question because you're about to pay this

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Speaker 1: guy forty million dollars a year, and so I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like I think it's it's I think you have to

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Speaker 1: make the case that, you know, maybe he does he

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Speaker 1: need great players around him. And I still think that

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Speaker 1: he does. I think twenty eighteen was an example of that.

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Speaker 1: They weren't going anywhere until they got him Maarty Cooper

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Speaker 1: and then things kind of took off. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad thing to say maybe

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Speaker 1: he's a trailer. I mean, he's a really good one.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I think he needs great players

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Speaker 1: around him. Dave, who are who are all these quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: that don't need great players around him? Like That's that's

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Speaker 1: where I go in this conversation. There's in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: there's Aaron Rodgers. There's one, there's one, and there's one.

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Speaker 1: But I will say the Homes I will, I will, yeah, Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: but have great players we've we've ever seen. Pat Mahomes

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Speaker 1: has an amazing offensive line, Tyree Hill, Travis Kelsey, Sammy Watkins,

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Speaker 1: Nicole Hartman. Oh and by the way, they drafted Clyde

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Speaker 1: Edwards Hilaire in the first round, just as like window

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Speaker 1: dressing on this already amazing offense. So I've never seen.

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Speaker 1: Do I believe that he would still be great without it?

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Speaker 1: He'll be great when they when they're going, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: do I believe that. Yes, is there any proof that

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Speaker 1: that's true. No, Deshaun Watson, tons of people love to

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Speaker 1: say that he's better than Dak How's he doing without

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Speaker 1: any help? They look terrible? Um, Aaron Rodgers is the one.

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Speaker 1: He is the one guy that has, over the course

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Speaker 1: by the way, everybody in Green Bay is pissed off

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Speaker 1: that they didn't really give him any weapons after losing

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Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game. They drafted a quarterback they could

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Speaker 1: have had. You know, maybe they trade up and get

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Speaker 1: like a Justin Jefferson and who knows how good they look.

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Speaker 1: So Aaron Rodgers probably wants weapons. And for that matter,

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Speaker 1: when he was Dak's age, he had Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know he had Um, I'm blanking on his name. Jones,

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Speaker 1: Greg Jennings, Um, Donald Jones, Donal Donald Driver, Donald Driver, Hime. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say Donald DRIs before him, right, No, James, Yes,

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Speaker 1: James Jones, Jamesons, thank you so much. I'm sorry. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: shout out to the Qus point being, there just aren't

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Speaker 1: very many quarterbacks who still look great without having great weapons.

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Speaker 1: So I don't I don't buy that argument at all,

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Speaker 1: and I do think it is it is a very

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Speaker 1: worthwhile and fair talking point that the Cowboys record has

640
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: not been wonderful in the time since Dak took this leap.

641
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of reasons for that. I

642
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: don't think most of it has to do with the quarterback.

643
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: Would you guys throw Lamar Jackson in that category you

644
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: just said you kind of think about which quarterbacks. I

645
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: don't know that he has a great supporting cast. He's

646
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: got some average guys, but I think he's the straw

647
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: that makes that drink work right. Well, Yeah, but you

648
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I forget tom Brady. Let's not forget like

649
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Trade Manning. I mean those guys well

650
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: during during his career, I would tell you that about

651
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. I don't think that's the case anymore. Yeah,

652
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: certainly don't think that's the case anymore. In the in

653
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: the prime of his prime, tom Brady made it work

654
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: with lesser players. Um, Peyton again, do I still think

655
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: that they would be great? Yes, Peyton Manning played with

656
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: Hall of famers basically his entire career. Marvin Harrison, Reggie,

657
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Wayne Edge, James, you know, not a Hall of Famer,

658
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: but Brandon Stokely and Dallas Clark were great players in

659
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 1: their day. Got to play with Welker and peaked him,

660
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: Marius Thomas when he was so still not buying it, um,

661
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: and for that hold on all those all those guys

662
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: you just mentioned. Though, I believe that the quarterback made

663
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: them great. They go somewhere else, they're not that good.

664
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean I think that. I think the quarterback makes

665
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: them great. So you can make the argument he makes

666
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: Cooper wasn't going anywhere. He makes them Cooper he I mean,

667
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: obviously it all ties in together. I'm just I get

668
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: I think it's it's not dishonest, it's it's like a

669
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: straw man to say, like, well, he needs great players around,

670
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: because the fact of the matter is most quarterbacks do,

671
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: like the vast majority of them, Lamar Jackson, they're struggling

672
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: this year. Their offense doesn't look all that uh you know,

673
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: I know, you know, they've had injuries. Everybody's had injuries.

674
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: But that's when I look at it, Like I said,

675
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: I think there's it's a very interesting case that the

676
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: Cowboys record has not been great in this time since

677
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: Dak has has taken these leaps, But there's no more

678
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: than there's no more than three quarterbacks in the NFL

679
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: right now that I think are definitively better than him.

680
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: So I absolutely think he's a truck. I will say this.

681
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: I look at it maybe a little bit differently. I

682
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: don't look at it so much as he has to

683
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: pull all the weight with no help. I look at

684
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: it as is he capable of pulling the weight knowing

685
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: that when he goes into a game, he is the

686
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: best of what they do, right So, and that's two

687
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: different things. To me, that's still a truck, and I

688
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: think that that's what we've seen from Dak Is at

689
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: least earlier this season. What we saw was they went

690
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: into games where they were having to rely on him.

691
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: I should even say they went into games by the

692
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: second quarter they were having to rely on him because

693
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: of the circumstance, and he was able to deliver, and

694
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: he was able to get them back in position where

695
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: even if they didn't win, they were in position to

696
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: be able to win by the end of the game.

697
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 1: So I look at it from that standpoint. I say

698
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: that that's why I would believe he is a truck

699
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: is because it is turning to where now he is

700
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: the best of what they do. And I think when

701
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: it comes to next year, if everything continues as it

702
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: is with Zeke, I think he will be the best

703
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: of what they do. Zeke will be the complimentary piece

704
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: to Dak's passing game. With the receivers that he has.

705
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to do it by himself, but he

706
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: certainly has a big hand in whatever's going to be

707
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: their success. Jeff some Nickel that anything I was, well,

708
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know if everybody was contributing. I just thought

709
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: that they all seem very passionate about this subject. So

710
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm just listening to you guys. Yeah, I'll say this though,

711
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think the problem so

712
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: much is Dak And if it's he's the best guy

713
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: or the I just don't think the Cowboys are structured

714
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: well enough to to make this work. If he's going

715
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: to make forty million a year, I just I don't.

716
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: You can't have your quarterback make forty million a year.

717
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: You can't have one of the highest paid running backs,

718
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: highest paid guards, highest paid tackles, highest paid receiver. You

719
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: can't have all of that. It's so that's what happens

720
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: when a guys get injured there you have no depth

721
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: behind you. So right now now they're paying what So

722
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: they just can't They can't function that way, and neither

723
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: could have Houston and look what happened. So it's I

724
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: don't know. It's a scary thought. It's a scary thought

725
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: to think you have a thirty one million dollar quarterback

726
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: and the team is the team around him is not

727
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: good at all, and now you're gonna make him a

728
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: forty million dollars quarterback. It's it's scary. Something's got to give.

729
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: And so I'm not saying it's Dak, but it's gonna

730
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: be somebody else, Okay, not gonna have all those three receivers.

731
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: So let's assume for a second that you take a

732
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper out of the mix. Let's assume, for it

733
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: take a second that you take Zeke Elliott out of

734
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: the mix. And let's assume that with Zeke, you're you

735
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: go out and you get yourself a second round running back,

736
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: which you can get good quality running back value in

737
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: the second third round even right. Let's assume you get

738
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: a guy like that, and and you have the two

739
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: receivers that you still have left. Do you think that

740
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: DAK is good enough to win with that cast? If

741
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: you take out Amari Cooper and you take out Zeke

742
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: Elliott because of their contracts, and and you're paying him

743
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: forty million, and you're gonna have to take some of

744
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: those contracts off the table taking those two out, do

745
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: you think they're still they can still win? Absolutely? Absolutely

746
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: they can they I mean six and eight? Whoa, that's

747
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: the record. That's his record is his record is six

748
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: and eight. Oh, I've been doing okay, Well, that's what

749
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: his record is. When you don't have that. When Zeke

750
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: was out, they was three and they were three and three, um,

751
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: and those games where he was out and then it

752
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: was a different player here, Dak was a different player

753
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: then right twenty seventeen is I don't even That's not

754
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: even part of the conversation for me in terms of

755
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: like what I think Dak is capable of doing. Yeah,

756
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: and I get what you're saying, Nika, that's the only

757
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: history that we have. But I think he's a very

758
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: different point you don't have. Yeah, Yeah, I think he's

759
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: a very different player too. I do too, because they

760
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 1: don't have They didn't have a second round running back

761
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: like you just mentioned when when he was running he

762
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: was giving the ball to Rod Smith and Alfred Morris

763
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: and he didn't have that Nick, you know what this

764
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: and I get it, Like I used to think that

765
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: way prior to this year. I used to think that

766
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott was a guy that absolutely needed all the

767
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: help he could get around him. Until this year I

768
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: started seeing seeing it differently. And you talk about those

769
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: wide receivers, the three main one, but look at what

770
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: they were they have been able to do with Cedric Wilson,

771
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: Noah Brown. The fact that they are able to or

772
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: we are able to start seeing them finally incorporate some

773
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: of those other players that are not your start players

774
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: and flashy players and still be able to show some

775
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: kind of production on the field. Yes, it's absolutely not

776
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: at the level that we want them to be, but

777
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: at the same time, we have started to see different

778
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: elements that are not your starter guys to be able

779
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: to you know, make some plays on the field. So

780
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: to me, I started seeing it this year is absolutely

781
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: I think that Dak Prescott can be that guy. And

782
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: he's shown to take a big, a big, big step

783
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: forward this year, not that many big steps because they're

784
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: not winning pretty big. They're not winning like that's not

785
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: winning football. Like okay, are saying you do you put

786
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: that blame on Dak and the players are do you

787
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: blame the coaching staff and them not being able to

788
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: create the right kind of calls for the players to

789
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: be successful on the field. All I'm saying, I don't know.

790
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is is the teams are saying we're

791
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: gonna let Dak beat us with all these yards and

792
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: stats and all these other players, and they hasn't worked

793
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: that way. I'm just saying that is a fact. Nobody

794
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: on the other side of this WebEx call can argue

795
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: that they can't. You can't. Yeah, but that Dak hasn't

796
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: been a good I'm done. I mean, I'm done. I mean, like,

797
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: like all the stats from the last two years, all

798
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: these numbers, but they're not winning. They're not winning. Is

799
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: that is he better than Troy Aikman because look at

800
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: all these stats or Detroit, I mean, or did they

801
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: just figured out a way to win? Yeah? I don't think, Geordie.

802
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, other than when Troy was here in

803
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: the early two like late nineties, I don't think Troy

804
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: had a defense that was near as bad as what

805
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: this defense has been. And I think I would agree.

806
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: I would say that a lot of the problems they're

807
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: having are not so much about Dak and what Dak

808
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: can't do. I think we're actually seeing that Dak was overperforming.

809
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: I think this defense was so bad he couldn't overcome

810
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: a really, really bad defense. That's not his fault. That

811
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: to me, is a function of they got to do

812
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: something better on defense. They got to figure the defense

813
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: out in this day and age, with the with the

814
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: cost of good quarterback play and the salary cap, there's

815
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: there's like there's two ways to go about it. Is

816
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: I got a quarterback I'm paying top dollar who can

817
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: keep me in every game. Yes, they lost to Seattle

818
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, they beat Atlanta. They only had a chance

819
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: in those games because of Dak Prescott, and Nick's right,

820
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't win. They didn't win. They lost

821
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: two of the three, but they were in them because

822
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: of Prescott. So you take you know, you either you

823
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: have the choice between the quarterback who can keep you

824
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: in every game because he's that good, or you try

825
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: to build like this complete team with lesser quarterback play

826
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 1: and see where it gets you. And me, I'm gonna

827
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: roll with the quarterback every time because if I mean,

828
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: if he gets hot, or if you you know, hit

829
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: on some draft picks on defense that make your defense

830
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: better than it was, then all of a sudden, maybe

831
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: you're cooking with gas and I just you just have

832
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: to have top notch quarterback play to win in the NFL.

833
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: And like you can throw all those stats you want

834
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: at me about you know, quarterbacks on x amount of

835
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: salary win in super Bowls. That's going to change in

836
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: a hurry. Like that's I mean Okay, Like are the

837
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: does that's that not matter anymore? When Pat Mahomes picks

838
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: up a couple of rings on this contract because he will,

839
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: or you know, Russell Wilson's gonna get another. You know,

840
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: expensive quarterbacks are gonna start winning super Bowls because there's

841
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: no such thing as an inexpensive quarterback anymore. Um, So

842
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: that's that's where I'm at, And I'm yeah, like, Nick's

843
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: totally right. It's gonna be hard to make all of

844
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: this work, and if they pay Dak, they're gonna have

845
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: to make some sacrifices. But give me the sacrifice that

846
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: involves having a quarterback that I feel good about, because

847
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: you can't you can't expect to win in the NFL

848
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: without that, right, And I agree with that, Like I

849
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: think that That's what I'm saying is is that it's

850
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: just scary to think that, you know, Jerry always talks

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Speaker 1: the pie, that Dak has a big slice of the

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Speaker 1: pie right now. He's gonna get a bigger slice next year.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I would do. I would do that.

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Speaker 1: I would not I would not draft a quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: don't care where you are, I would go get the

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Speaker 1: I would sign Deck. All I'm saying is this team

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Speaker 1: is not built right now very well to handle that.

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Speaker 1: They're not handling it right now, and like Dave said,

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Speaker 1: something's got to give. So that's what's kind of scary.

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Speaker 1: He's got a lot of pieces on offense, and you know,

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Speaker 1: is it too many? Do we need to have some

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Speaker 1: on defense because just outscoring people is not gonna not

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Speaker 1: gonna work. It hasn't worked this year. And Nick, with that,

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Speaker 1: you bring us full circle all the way back to

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Speaker 1: the conversation about tanking, because if they have that how

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Speaker 1: high pick, they can rebuild his defense really really quickly. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. I mean, it's it's fascinating. I

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Speaker 1: think we're seeing that this season is like I think, Nick,

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Speaker 1: like this this team is not efficiently built, like the

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Speaker 1: way that they've allocated their money. Zeke is Zeke was

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Speaker 1: a cherry on top of an ice cream Sunday with

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Speaker 1: Tony Romo being the main event, you know, and that's

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Speaker 1: that's not the case anymore. Same thing, you know, off

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Speaker 1: ball linebackers in today's NFL, I'm not sure if you're

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Speaker 1: you should pay them seventy million dollars and the Jayalen

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Speaker 1: deal looked like a bargain at the time. It's still

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Speaker 1: I mean, no, it's not because he's not playing up

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Speaker 1: to it. But and that's the problem is now you've

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Speaker 1: got to look at this and say, did we allocate

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Speaker 1: all of this stuff the right way? And how do

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Speaker 1: we fix it so that when we're paying our quarterback

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Speaker 1: forty million dollars we can still field a competitive team.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of stuff. I think they

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Speaker 1: got some difficult choices in front of them in the

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Speaker 1: next two off seasons. That's an interesting point. And actually

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Speaker 1: tomorrow what I want to do, I want to go

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Speaker 1: into this topic. I'm ask you guys, so be prepared.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you, guys, what's the worst contract this

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Speaker 1: team currently has? Because when you start breaking down, as

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Speaker 1: you're talking about how they're built and where they've spent

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Speaker 1: their money, there's some contracts you look at and you're like, man, this,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you make that work Like this

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Speaker 1: is guys aren't playing up to it. On top of that,

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Speaker 1: it really makes it very tough to be able to

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Speaker 1: manage that in a specially in this situation now where

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Speaker 1: you're about to have to pay a quarterback a huge

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Speaker 1: amount of money, and you got a whole defense that

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Speaker 1: you feel like you got so many pieces of that

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Speaker 1: thing that you gotta redesign and rebuild. So we'll ask

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Speaker 1: that question tomorrow and get itto that a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: This was a good discussion, though we'll pick it up

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Speaker 1: at another time. That's the end of the show. That's

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Speaker 1: the route. We'll be back tomorrow for Dave Hellman, Nick Eatman,

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