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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and a Reuter's IPSOS poll says that

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Speaker 1: only twenty seven percent of Americans approve of Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: strikes against Iran. We have such a great show for

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Speaker 1: you today. The Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us

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Speaker 1: to discuss Trump's attempts to distract from the Epstein files

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Speaker 1: by bombing Aroan. Ben will talk to the economist Archie

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Speaker 1: Hall about Trump's disastrous tariffs and what happens after that

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruling. But first of the news, So.

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Speaker 2: Molly, maybe centrists said right wingers have loved to do

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Speaker 2: these polls that show the Democrats are very unpopular even

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Speaker 2: within their own party right now, to say it's because

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Speaker 2: we're the wok left and we're way too far left.

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Speaker 2: It turns out here from pulling from g Elliott Morris's

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Speaker 2: Strengthen numbers, that is not true. It's more about that

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Speaker 2: our leadership is weak and ineffective and pathetic in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Well, you found polling that totally supports your view.

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Speaker 2: That is correct.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say that to our listeners. I

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily disagree with this, but the confirmation bias here

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Speaker 1: is humongous, so that it's correct. New Paul Democrats real

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Speaker 1: problem isn't being too liberal, it's being seen as too weak. Now.

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Speaker 1: Anna Caprera, the chief of staff of pritz Gerr. She

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Speaker 1: wrote the speech for him where he talks about team

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Speaker 1: fight versus team cave, not team center left versus team left.

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Speaker 1: I think this is an argument that's a little bit

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Speaker 1: more nuanced than that. But the point here, and we've

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Speaker 1: seen this again and again, is that voters think democratic

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Speaker 1: leadership is weak. There's no getting around that, and voters

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Speaker 1: don't like week we saw Chris Murphy said this. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is the Bill Quinton nineties idea that it's better

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Speaker 1: to be strong and wrong than weak and cowardly. So

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Speaker 1: I think that's right, and I think that the leadership

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Speaker 1: does not feel strong. And even I was talking to

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Speaker 1: a member of versus weekend, and you know, last week

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Speaker 1: Massey and ro Kanna had put together a War Powers

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Speaker 1: the House, and Jeffries wanted to wait until this week.

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Speaker 1: They finally did it. They put it together on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and then Johnson dismissed everyone Friday. They're not going to

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Speaker 1: this War Powers Act, from what I understand, is Thursday,

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Speaker 1: So that will be almost a full week after the

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Speaker 1: war has already started, right, or the military action or

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Speaker 1: whatever they're calling it. So look, I think that we're

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Speaker 1: seeing leadership get caught on the back foot a lot.

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Speaker 1: They just are not able to act in a way

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Speaker 1: that is meeting this moment. I still think Jeffries is

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Speaker 1: a lot better than Schumer. I think Schumer is really

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Speaker 1: not built for this moment in a way that Jeffries

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Speaker 1: is not. But clearly voters don't like it. Independence called

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Speaker 1: Republicans extreme and cruel, and you need those, by the way,

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Speaker 1: you need indies, so you cannot win without indies. Indies

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Speaker 1: call Republicans extreme and cruel. They say Democrats are weak

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Speaker 1: and ineffective, and that is really important because that means

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Speaker 1: that even the hand ringing itself is bad. They are

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Speaker 1: reacting to the hand ringing as much as they're reacting

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Speaker 2: Essentially, Donald Trump, what he's doing I don't like and

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Speaker 2: I want somebody to go back against it, which is

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Speaker 2: good news for Dems, but would be a lot better

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Speaker 2: news if they shaped up and actually led a bit

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Speaker 2: and didn't put out struggling word in statements of process.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And there were a lot of people pointing out

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Speaker 1: this weekend that Marco briefed the Gang of Eight on

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Speaker 1: and said they need to make a better case for

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Speaker 1: this war, which was not the right answer. The right

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Speaker 1: really seeing that this is not a moment for seventy

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Speaker 1: It's a moment for new blood and that's what we're seeing.

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Speaker 2: So last week we had a huge dust up where

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Speaker 2: a belligerent Pete Hegsith demanded that claud drop its safeguards

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Speaker 1: Right, not evil enough, Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: Anthropic who owns the claud Ai said no, and then

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Speaker 2: thing I've seen whenever I've used these ais is. Claud

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, there is no good answers here.

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Speaker 1: The technology is moving faster than the regulation. These corporations

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Speaker 1: know that it's fool proof. There's a lot of bad

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Speaker 1: on here, Pete hegg SATs is also just a complete disaster,

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Speaker 1: that they made mistakes as much as they were unable

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Speaker 2: I think What's interesting though, is that the people are

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Speaker 2: trying to reward the company that did the right behavior.

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Speaker 3: And that is a good.

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Speaker 1: Sign, yes, And that's like we keep seeing that again

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Speaker 1: and again, like the Target stuff or you know, Walmart

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Speaker 1: people don't want this. Billionaires want that, and Trump wants this,

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Speaker 1: and Republicans want this, but normal people don't want this.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see CNN set records of even

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Speaker 1: That's right, and now they're going to kill CNN.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that I'm going to Korea soon, but it's feeling

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Speaker 2: a lot like North Korea. And as you with deep,

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Speaker 1: Day, christ that you're such a monster.

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Speaker 2: Trump SEFCC chair wants broadcasters. They are the pledge of

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Speaker 2: allegiance each morning and a push to make TV more

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Speaker 2: pro America. I could just smell the bebam bop and

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Speaker 2: Kim chief from here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I just let the record

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Speaker 2: A long standing joke that's very funny.

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Speaker 1: It's funny to sum but not to me. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: But yes, here we are ladies and gentlemen. The FCC

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Speaker 1: the same guy, Brendan Carr who made tell Rico. We

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of stupid, Kansas decided to revoke anyone whose

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Speaker 1: We shouldn't laugh because I think people are going to

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Speaker 2: Several halfdays, then sadly, what several half today?

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Speaker 1: Since last week, we have a number of really effucked

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Speaker 3: Somehow we changed our topic of conversation. I wonder why

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Speaker 1: And then Saturday morning, Trump bombed Iran, you know, just

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to say that that anything should surprise

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Speaker 3: They're like, why would he do that? His own base

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Speaker 1: And the Italian Defense Minister was in Dubai, so like

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Speaker 3: This, No, no, no one.

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Speaker 5: And I will say a class of people that were

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Speaker 5: unable to get a good table this entire weekend, and

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Speaker 5: many of them have seen missiles for the first time.

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Speaker 1: So you thought you were just not going to have

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Speaker 3: They might be under a drone strike.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about this. They hit a bunch

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Speaker 3: Well, let's say this first off.

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Speaker 5: Although Peter Haggs has described this as the most meticulously

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Speaker 5: It has done some damage to the Iranian regime. It's

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Speaker 5: But I don't know yet whether the strikes where the

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Speaker 3: Well you could, but it would be like the hot stuff.

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Speaker 1: I also think that they've killed a lot of civilians.

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Speaker 3: They've killed a good number of civilians.

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Speaker 5: And that is the including one thing that is alleged

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Speaker 3: He solved the problem of Iran. Now it's now it's

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Speaker 5: I'm back in two thousand and nine when the first

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Speaker 5: Iranian Green Revolution occurred. I was very unhappy with the

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Speaker 5: Trump doesn't understand now. The Iranian system is so much

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Speaker 5: more embedded throughout its culture and society than say, the

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Speaker 5: Iraqi system was. Iraq was just a plain old dictatorship.

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Speaker 5: This is a country that has been wired to oppress

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Speaker 5: these these thug outfits, like the besiege for forty seven years.

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Speaker 5: It is not going to be as easy as we

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I was struck by is, well,

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Speaker 1: a number of different reasons for things. Oh yeah, so

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Speaker 3: The usual I'll love nukes in two hours and seventeen minutes.

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Speaker 1: Right, okay, And then right they said it's a bad regime.

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Speaker 1: It oppresses people like you will work you're trying to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, if they're unhappy about things that are oppressive,

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Speaker 1: I mean, start in Minnesota, man, like you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean that was always the whole thing with Trump, with

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Speaker 1: Was that, by the way.

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Speaker 3: It's always bullshit anyway?

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Speaker 5: I mean, yes, none of this, none of the And

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Speaker 5: I do I do think that the cognitive diss that's

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Speaker 3: It is broad.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how deep it runs yet, because look

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Speaker 5: every time the magas say, oh I believe that Trump

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Speaker 5: why right? What are you talking about? So I saw

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Speaker 5: a lot of the social media feeds. We're like, no,

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Speaker 5: this isn't like a forever war like with Bush or

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Speaker 5: for the neocons or for the Jews. He says, Trump

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Speaker 1: What Trump just told the Daily Mail that this will

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Speaker 1: take four weeks. And if you think about trump math,

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Speaker 3: Two weeks is a standard lie.

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Speaker 1: So if he's saying four weeks, that means I think

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Speaker 3: Well I will say this.

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Speaker 5: I will say this isn't as an og neocon with

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Speaker 5: I regret to inform you that is not how this

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Speaker 5: shit works Donald at all. And again, you know you

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Speaker 5: He's like, well, there won't be a significant ground force.

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Speaker 5: Oh really, there won't be a significant graphl What does

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Speaker 5: that mean. Does that mean there's gonna be a ground force?

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Speaker 5: It certainly seems like it. And if you'd think that

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Speaker 5: show me a fucking example anywhere.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I also want to say, and again

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Speaker 1: I'm not complimenting your own boss, but he had a plan, right,

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Speaker 3: Look.

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Speaker 5: Look, so what you will about the Bush era and

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Speaker 5: It did not work, right.

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Speaker 4: But there was a plan.

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Speaker 5: This is absolutely being made up on the fly. This

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Speaker 5: people who thought Paul Bremer was a terrible regent for

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Speaker 5: say this. There's a thing on the right, and Bannon's

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Speaker 5: going to try to put Reza Palavi back in as king. Now, look,

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Speaker 5: there is a part of the Iranian culture that still

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Speaker 5: culture that will always love the Windsors except for Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Mountbatten Wood exactly.

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Speaker 5: But trying to convert a theocracy struggling with its own

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Speaker 5: disaster in the making to me. And look, Molly, here's

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Speaker 5: the thing I want to be I told people this

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Speaker 5: make really clear to all our listeners. Nobody's defending the

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Speaker 5: Iranian regime. Don't make the right wingers pretend that, oh,

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Speaker 5: you must favor the Mola.

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Speaker 3: No fuck out of here. It's absurd how they're playing it.

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Speaker 1: It's a cheap trick that people do. So Lindsay said, uh, would.

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Speaker 3: That be Lady Lindsay of Charleston.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to ignore that because it's not He

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Speaker 1: then Kristen Welker says, does the president have a plan

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Speaker 1: to guarantee that happens? And Graham says no, no, that's

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Speaker 1: not his job. What is his job then?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, because while the bombs were dropping, he

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: No, and he didn't.

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Speaker 5: He hasn't had the courtesy for the families of those soldiers, sailors,

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Speaker 5: I find that to be a truly insulting aspect of this.

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Speaker 1: And let's talk about that for a minute. Because with

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Speaker 1: mean the first one was Kuwait, and they did sell that.

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Speaker 4: Kidding.

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Speaker 5: Look, look, oh, here's the thing. They made a case, right, No,

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Speaker 5: there was an international case. We had a coalition of

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Speaker 3: We were done.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Look, we could have chased the Republican Second Guards

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Speaker 5: We could have easily moved up there to Bagdad and

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Speaker 3: People need to think about this. Iraq is a country

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Speaker 5: Ten million people, maybe a little bigger than that, but

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Speaker 5: Iran has ninety five million people.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge ten times the size.

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Speaker 5: It's bigger than Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Nevada.

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Speaker 3: It's a gigantic country.

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Speaker 5: There are a lot of people there who are very

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Speaker 3: Are we ready to go in?

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Speaker 5: And again, if you tally all those things up, like

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Speaker 3: Are we going to go in?

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Speaker 5: There and kill them, all right, because what they'll keep

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Speaker 1: You know, we are not in coming from a place

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Speaker 1: Now we have decided to go. I mean this report.

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Speaker 1: I mean that. And then also and I want you

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Speaker 5: The Saudis what they paid for. They paid for Jared Kushner.

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Speaker 5: They bought him because he's a whore. They bought Jared

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Speaker 5: internal secret police that squatches all dessent. Trump loves all

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Speaker 5: that stuff. So what happened here was the legitimate security

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Speaker 5: interest of the Saudi government, right which aroan Is was

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Speaker 5: They wanted us to do it, so they used us

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Speaker 5: so let's do it right. You know, Molly, I don't

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Speaker 5: know if you've thought about this much, but somebody in

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Speaker 5: Israel the other day, a friend of mine in Israel

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Speaker 5: said to me, he goes, he goes, there's only one

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Speaker 5: upside of the end of this war with Iran. They're

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Speaker 5: killing all them alists. I'm like, what's that he goes,

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Speaker 5: Bbe doesn't have a bad guy anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe who abas. I mean, he's done a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of sus it's superpowered, it's called power right to day.

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Speaker 1: But he's he did say. The thing that I think

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Speaker 1: is a little bit interesting about Bbe is that he

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Speaker 1: did say Donald Trump did that for us, which if

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Speaker 1: you're Donald Trump, that is not what you want, right,

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Speaker 1: You do not want to No, you do not want that.

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Speaker 3: You want you want Trump to have been like, this

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Speaker 3: came from my from my goals, my brain.

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Speaker 1: So we are we're like like a little more than

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours out from this and already we have Mohammed,

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Speaker 1: Ben Salmon and bb net Yahoo's saying this he did

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Speaker 1: it for us, which I think is a bad look

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Speaker 1: in Maga world.

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Speaker 5: There is a split inside of Maga world over this

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Speaker 5: action because they were all promised no more foreign wars,

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Speaker 5: not just no more forever wars, no wars. Remember they

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Speaker 5: ran ads and say they were the Peace Party. He

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Speaker 5: was going to be the peace president ticket. Yeah, that

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Speaker 5: split is real inside the GOP. There's a subset of

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Speaker 5: that with the in the anti rising and powerful anti

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Speaker 5: Semitic movement in the GOP. In the manga GOP, particularly

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Speaker 5: young men eighteen to thirty. They are furious that we

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Speaker 5: did this for Nette Yahoo.

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Speaker 3: And we did. Yeah, they're going wrong that we did

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Speaker 3: this for bbing Net in Yahoo.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Jew, so I don't think of myself as

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Speaker 1: anti Semitic, but I am also furious, like I don't

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Speaker 1: understand what Israel has to do with American foreign policy.

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Speaker 5: You know, this is a country that has for a

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Speaker 5: long time played a central role with both parties in

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Speaker 5: this nation. They have purchased and been given a peerless

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Speaker 5: military that is more than capable of defending itself. And

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Speaker 5: yet we have just expended, by a rough estimate that

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Speaker 5: I got from somebody today, a half a trillion dollars

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Speaker 5: worth of ammunition and weapons and missiles. And in the

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Speaker 5: last for a couple of days, we shut off something

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Speaker 5: like a third of all of our cruise missiles that

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Speaker 5: we haven't complete in the inventory. This is nuts, This

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Speaker 5: is crazy. And again, Israel a nation where the people

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Speaker 5: have been under significant terrorist threat for since its inception.

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Speaker 5: They're not deserve to be the targets of the kind

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Speaker 5: of things that has Ballah and Hamas and Iran have

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Speaker 5: done for a generation. But they also deserve to have

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Speaker 5: us carry all the water right war like this, and

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Speaker 5: that's what we're doing. Yes, Israeli jets are on the

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Speaker 5: front line now, but that's because the US came in

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Speaker 5: and wiped out the entire Iranian air defense system and

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Speaker 5: shot down all their planes and whacked all of their

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Speaker 5: runways and beat up all of their radar systems. Look

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Speaker 5: our Israeli's flying emissions as well. Sure they are, but

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Speaker 5: it will inevitably be American boys and girls who take

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Speaker 5: the brunt of casualties if the sin continues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about this polling for a minute.

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Speaker 1: So we've seen the first poles from this. Remember this

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Speaker 1: was something that Trump campaigned on not doing. It was

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Speaker 1: something that has been wildland unpopular, and so how popular

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Speaker 1: is it?

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Speaker 3: Not very popular?

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Speaker 1: Twenty seven percent approve, forty three percent disapprove. That's slightly

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Speaker 1: worse than the strikes in June, which Donald Trump considered

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Speaker 1: to be a huge success, which we're thirty six to

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Speaker 1: forty five. GOP support went from sixty nine percent in

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Speaker 1: June to fifty five percent today.

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Speaker 5: Molly, I will tell you that of something I've learned

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Speaker 5: having done a couple of these things. Now, your best

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Speaker 5: day of polling in a war is the first day. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it never gets better no matter what, even if you're winning,

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Speaker 5: it doesn't get any better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 5: And look, we've had three American soldiers killed so far.

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Speaker 5: We've had five others wounded that I know of as

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Speaker 5: as of the time we're taping this, right, that number

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Speaker 5: will probably go up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And as that number goes up, you are going to

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Speaker 5: see people, I think left and right become even more

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Speaker 5: disillusioned by this. And again, I want to go back

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Speaker 5: to this more time, because this is not a choice

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Speaker 5: between supporting the Mullahs and the Eye Toolahs or a

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Speaker 5: free and democratic Eran. It is a choice between right

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Speaker 5: now for us, of what we're going to do to

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Speaker 5: make sure that what happens next isn't chaos and destruction

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Speaker 5: and more American casualties and frankly collapse the world economy.

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Speaker 5: If they close the straits once and for all, we're

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Speaker 5: in a we're in a one hundred dollars a barrel

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Speaker 5: oil situation again, and good luck, good luck with that economy.

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Speaker 5: Donald after that point, well.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is that you know he's canceled

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Speaker 1: all these green energy projects, so you are making it

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Speaker 1: so that the only that you know, we China has

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Speaker 1: a lot of green energy projects. They didn't cancel them

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Speaker 1: because they're not They didn't think it.

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Speaker 3: Was too woke, because they're not stupid.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: By the way, the other thing, the other thing about

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Speaker 5: Saudi Arabia and NBS here, the giant beneficiary.

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Speaker 3: Of not seeing the oil apart is more expensive oil.

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Speaker 3: That's great for Saudi Arabia. Yeah, that's amazing for Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Rick Wilson, John Fast, will you come back, you

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Speaker 1: know I will. Archie haw is a reporter at The Economist. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Welcome Archie from The Economist.

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Speaker 4: Hello, good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Tariffs they're on, they're off, they're illegal, they're legal. Where

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Speaker 1: are we today with terriffts.

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Speaker 6: It's been a bit of a roller coaster. We're in

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Speaker 6: some sense kind of back where we started. And so

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Speaker 6: if we can we go back to the very long

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Speaker 6: time ago of last week, we had a pretty high

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Speaker 6: tariff rate about kind of thirteen percent or something terriforied

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Speaker 6: in America, which compared to American history, really really high.

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Speaker 6: That number was two percent is before Donald Trump came in.

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court came and said that a large chunk of

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Speaker 6: the tariffs that Trump put in his second term were

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Speaker 6: in fact illegal, particularly those done under a law called

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Speaker 6: DAIPA or the International not Powers Act, where President and

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Speaker 6: kind of claimed that he could effectively designate emergencies at will.

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Speaker 6: Throw taruis ran willy nilly tariff's court of taxes. That's

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Speaker 6: usually Congress's job. So Supreme Court's not too happy about that.

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Speaker 1: And NAIBA does not mention tariffs once exactly.

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Speaker 6: It talks about regulation, and there was the sort of

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Speaker 6: heroic case from the White House that regulation included taxing,

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Speaker 6: and most Supreme Court justices didn't believe in that. Then

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Speaker 6: after the Court decision, we get another authority being invoked

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Speaker 6: by the president, temporary one put the tariff right up

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Speaker 6: back to about twelve percent, so pretty much where it

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Speaker 6: was before. That's called Section one twenty two for the geeks.

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Speaker 1: And that was a Justice Cavanaugh suggestion in his concurrence

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Speaker 1: or in his descent, he said, you could use that.

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Speaker 6: So he said that there's a whole variety of other

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Speaker 6: authorities you could use. This is the one you could

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Speaker 6: use for a while. So this is the most flexible,

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Speaker 6: but also only applies for one hundred and fifty days,

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Speaker 6: so that only gets them through.

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Speaker 4: They've just triggered it until July.

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Speaker 6: That doesn't get you to your long term big tariff

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Speaker 6: wall around America, and so they're going to have to

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Speaker 6: use a number of other authorities that mostly are a

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Speaker 6: bit more inflexible, usually involved there being an investigation set

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Speaker 6: off by the Department of Commerce or the Australian Representative

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Speaker 6: which they can kind of rush through, and they're probably

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Speaker 6: going to, but still is much more a process, and

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Speaker 6: that will be a bunch of country level stuff and

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Speaker 6: set to level stuff, and when that's all's that and done,

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Speaker 6: probably the tariff rate will be about where we started.

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Speaker 6: And so it's a lot of chirm, but at some

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Speaker 6: level not that much has changed.

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Speaker 1: If you are FedEx though you sue the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: what's the thinking there.

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Speaker 4: So it's a lot of money.

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Speaker 6: The AIPA tariffs were about one hundred and seventy five billion,

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Speaker 6: people were saying were paid in since they're ensued last year.

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Speaker 6: Section one twenty two is temporary one is going to

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Speaker 6: be one hundred billion, give or take. And so for AIPA,

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Speaker 6: it's already happened. The court said these tariffs were illegal,

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Speaker 6: so in principle, if the government taxes you, it turns

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Speaker 6: out the governments are allowed to tax you. You throwe

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Speaker 6: that money back. In fact, that money back with interest

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Speaker 6: six or seven percent interest, so quite a lot, and

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Speaker 6: the government obviously doesn't want to refund that money. And

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Speaker 6: so right now we're in this position where it's going

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Speaker 6: to have to happen. There it seems like not going

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Speaker 6: to make it easy. They're effectively saying the companies kind

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Speaker 6: of come and get it. And so you're going to

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Speaker 6: see a lot of court cases where that all gets

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Speaker 6: resolved over.

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Speaker 4: Time, and then we could be going through as all.

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Speaker 6: Again, there's a lot of questions about whether of those

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Speaker 6: one twenty two tariffs, those temporary ones I mentioned might

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Speaker 6: also be illegal, because again it's a slightly obscure law

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Speaker 6: from the nineteen seventies that's not been used before, where

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Speaker 6: there it's clear you can apply tariffs, but you're supposed

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Speaker 6: to say there's a bounce of payment issue, and it's

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Speaker 6: most economists wouldn't believe that the US has a big

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Speaker 6: bounce of payment issue right now. Indeed, questions over how

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Speaker 6: possible that is when the currency floats, But then what

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Speaker 6: the court thinks on that as is a whole other question.

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Speaker 1: So if you're worried about cost of living, as the

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Speaker 1: American people are, would this be what you would.

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Speaker 4: Do if you were about cost of living?

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Speaker 6: Putting taxes on things that people buy is to my

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Speaker 6: mind a fairly strange thing to do. They're obviously low

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Speaker 6: and that's what tariffs are.

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Speaker 4: Tariff's are. You can dispute where they land.

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Speaker 6: Most of the economic evidence is like eventually they do

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Speaker 6: just get passed on to the people buying the goods.

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Speaker 6: Certainly that's what happened with the tariff and Trump's first term.

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Speaker 6: The evidence there is pretty strong this time around. People

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Speaker 6: think we're at like sixty ish percent path through to

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Speaker 6: consumers right now, and that might obviously increase a little

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Speaker 6: bit as time goes on. But yeah, so you're you're

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Speaker 6: raising crisis and you can clay more manner of benefits

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Speaker 6: come from that that you're saving manufacturing.

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Speaker 4: I think that's that's highly questionable.

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Speaker 6: Your paying down the deficit, which these tariffs are certain

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Speaker 6: degree are, then you have a whole bunch of tax

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Speaker 6: cuts on the other side of that that were put

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Speaker 6: in by its administration.

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Speaker 4: So it's hard to argue.

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Speaker 6: They're single mindedly fixation on paying down the deficit, and yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's adding to the affordability strains of time when not

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Speaker 6: Americans are quite worried.

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Speaker 1: So there is this exception Demnimus for under eight hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars that was struck down by Trump during this period,

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Speaker 1: explained us where we are with that and how that

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Speaker 1: shapes woulds going.

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Speaker 6: I'd actually need to double check whether that sits with

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Speaker 6: APE or doesn't. Certainly that was being used pretty extensively

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Speaker 6: by a lot of your temus. Your Shean's a lot

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Speaker 6: of those particularly kind of low cost clothing retails you

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Speaker 6: get packages in and yeah, I think the thing that's

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Speaker 6: kind of striking about that is it's one stage less

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Speaker 6: kind of clothed and hidden than the tariffs are. You know,

658
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 6: the tariff they hit a company that's like a large

659
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 6: retailer that's importing things. They might be raising prices for

660
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 6: all sorts of reasons. It's difficult to tell when it's

661
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 6: literally hitting a package that's kind of coming through and

662
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 6: you have people on their website saying we are having

663
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 6: to raise these rates because of tariffs.

664
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know about you.

665
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 6: Certainly a whole bunch of online stores that I buy

666
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 6: things from when the Deminimus exemption was removed back in August,

667
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 6: and emails and when I had all their customers saying

668
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 6: we're so sorry. This is what's going on, where we're

669
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 6: gonna make it painless for you by rolling this into

670
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 6: the prices. But you're paying higher prices. And that's that

671
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 6: nasty combination of economic terms. You're paying higher prices and

672
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 6: then political terms. You're very aware of why you're paying

673
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 6: higher prices because you're getting emailp for the company saying so,

674
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 6: so it's.

675
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: More expensive for us to buy things. But are other

676
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: countries less interested in trading with US because of our

677
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: tariffs or is it just not even factoring in at all.

678
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: It's tough. It's tough to say so far.

679
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 6: I mean, definitely, over time, it's going to be less

680
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 6: appealing to export stuff to the US just because you're

681
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 6: it's still one of the world's largest markets.

682
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 4: It's still, I.

683
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 6: Mean, America has always been one of the world's richest countries,

684
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 6: particularly in the past five or ten years, is kind

685
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 6: of even more than that, really even pulled away from

686
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 6: places like Europe, which previously are a bit more neck

687
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 6: and neck and so it's a really attractive to your market.

688
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 6: That's absolutely not going to change. Absolutely on the margin,

689
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 6: if you're thinking about getting goods into America, I mean

690
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 6: that tariffs are paid in legal terms by the importer,

691
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 6: so not by the other countries, by the company, often

692
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 6: usually the American company bringing the goods in. But of

693
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 6: course how willing the importers are to do so depends

694
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 6: on whether they think those customers at the other end

695
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 6: we're going to buy them. And most of the tariff

696
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 6: is probably going to be split between the import and

697
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 6: those customers, So in both cases they're gonna be a

698
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 6: bit less willing, and so yeah, it's jamming everything up.

699
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: It also makes it harder to get things into the country.

700
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: It makes everything take longer too, right, it's definitely.

701
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 6: When it's all changing up as much as it is totally.

702
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 6: I mean, once the system becomes kind of fluid. In principle,

703
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 6: it ought to be such that this can be done

704
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 6: in a fairly efficient manner. It's never going to be ideal,

705
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 6: but that should be doable. Where we are right now

706
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 6: is kind of the reverse of that, where you've seen

707
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 6: all this crazy chopping and changing. Where last year you

708
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 6: had goods on a boat and suddenly partway through the journey,

709
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 6: it's unclear if they'll be paying.

710
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 4: Higher tariffs or not.

711
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 6: Right now, you have a situation where the presence Posts

712
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 6: on Truth Social that we're going to have a fifteen

713
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 6: percent temporary tariff under the Section one twenty two, but

714
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 6: then the day before on the press comp he said

715
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 6: ten percent, and the Executive orders still only says ten percents.

716
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 6: That's the legal rate for now, but possibly very soon.

717
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 6: If we believe it's truth Social Post, it's going up

718
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 6: to fifteen percent, and that come uncertainly is a complete mess.

719
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: Trump talks about bringing down prices. Has he brought down prices?

720
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: And if so, where has he? And if so, where

721
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: has he not?

722
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is one of those funny issues where politicians,

723
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 6: I think as cert much more power than they actually

724
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 6: really have over prices. Neither sides are just in the

725
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 6: same way that Trump campaigning and saying that it's all

726
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 6: Joe Biden's fault and that inflation was a complete disaster

727
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 6: because of Democrats, and there's not zero truth in that.

728
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 6: I think there's fairly compelling arguments that a lot of

729
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 6: the stimulus after the COVID kind of really did did

730
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 6: amp up inflation, but also the amount of control of

731
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 6: the Dems had over that's fairly limited. And now you

732
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 6: exactly the reverse where a lot of Democrats are saying

733
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 6: that America's in affordability crisis, it's all Donald Trump's fault,

734
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 6: and there's aspects of that that are totally true. We

735
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 6: talked about how the tariffs are worse than that, but

736
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 6: a lot of that really is nothing to do with

737
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 6: Donald Trump. And so he's talked a very big game

738
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 6: on affordability. He's absolutely made it worse narrowly through the tariffs. Elsewhere,

739
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 6: it's kind of hard to see impact either way from

740
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 6: most of the policies, but definitely it's not obvious to

741
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 6: me there's anywhere you can look where there's been a

742
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 6: big negative.

743
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 4: Price shock, at least so far because of what the

744
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 4: President's done.

745
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: Things like the price of beef, so or things like

746
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: the price of coffee. Coffee certainly is affected by tariffs.

747
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I mean there's ongoing conversations about exactly what

748
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 6: you do about things in coffee probably falls into this

749
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 6: category where it's sort of not a thing you can

750
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 6: reashort to America because you just can't really grow up

751
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 6: with the climate.

752
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, there's been issues all that.

753
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 6: I mean, a lot of that also is just these

754
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 6: are global commodity markets that are pre volatile, often for

755
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 6: just kind of random reasons, totally unconnected to what any

756
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 6: politician's trying to do. So, I mean, eggs is the

757
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 6: very famous example where there was a huge burflue issue.

758
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 4: You had these big culls.

759
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 6: I remember not being able to buy eggs for a

760
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 6: couple of months, and if you could, the prices were crazy,

761
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 6: and over time.

762
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 4: That eventually came down.

763
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 6: And throughout all of that, both sides, you know, the

764
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 6: Republicans were blaming the Democrats that were capplaming the Republicans.

765
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 4: Ultimately it was mostly bird flu there's kind of nothing

766
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 4: anyone can do about that.

767
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 6: And a lot of these global commodities it's a kind

768
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 6: of similar thing where definitely tariffs will hurt, but a

769
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 6: lot of those fluctuations are just happening anywhay.

770
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: With tariffs, Like the larger goal of tariffs is to

771
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: rearshore manufacturer. That has not happened at all.

772
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where you

773
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 6: have four or five different tariff goals. They're sort of

774
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 6: floated by different people, many of which are often slightly contradictory.

775
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 6: You can't both launch your manufacturing and also say the

776
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 6: tariffs are any temporary until the other countries lower their

777
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 6: tariffs and so on. But yeah, if you if you

778
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 6: take the manufacturing issue. I actually wrote a piece of

779
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 6: The Economist about this last month. It is really striking

780
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 6: that manufacturing in America is not doing super well. So now,

781
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 6: manufacturing in America was already in a bit of a

782
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 6: downturnament of a recession even prior to Trump coming in.

783
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 6: A lot of that was interest rates being high and

784
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 6: general long term trends.

785
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 4: You see all that basically get worse after Liberation Day.

786
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 6: Because bear in mind manufacturers are also important a lot

787
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 6: of the time they're pulling in the things that they're

788
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 6: then going to help assemble, and so there's a huge

789
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 6: number of issues there.

790
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 4: The uncertainty was a total mess.

791
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 6: A lot of it ends up not being as bad

792
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 6: as people worried about because there were huge exemptions for

793
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 6: Mexican and Canadian trade, which is a lot of where

794
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 6: US manufacturing is very heavily linked. But it's certainly not

795
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 6: great if you look at manufacturing jobs numbers. It's been

796
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 6: a decline in manufacturing jobs since Drum came in and

797
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 6: an increase in jobs and the rest of the economy.

798
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 6: So it's not the kind of constellation of things you'd

799
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 6: expect to see in a world of manufacturing is doing

800
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 6: really well because of these tariffs.

801
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: But beef prices are our way up.

802
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 6: I would have shared that, bye. I certainly bits and

803
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 6: pieces of food pop price all over the place.

804
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 4: It's worth saying. Overall growthery prices have risen like about

805
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 4: in line with inflation, give or take.

806
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 6: So I know people get very unhappy because it's a

807
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 6: very visible thing you see every week and given time

808
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 6: there's something that's gone completely crazy, just because that's the

809
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 6: nature of global trade and shocks.

810
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: And all that.

811
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 6: Overall groceries, I know, very politically salient. It's hard to

812
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 6: see have in the overall price data, but people don't want.

813
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could talk about sort of how

814
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: Mexico and Canada are doing with their biggest trading partner

815
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: having a complete meltdown.

816
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 4: It's pretty crazy.

817
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 6: I mean Mark Carney of course, made made big waves

818
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 6: with his speech at DAVA, so it was very much

819
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 6: a statement of cast aside your illusions and being very

820
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 6: clear that you need to be a bit more sharp, elbowed,

821
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 6: a bit more cynical in a world where America's not

822
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 6: taking on the role has historically of kind of enshrining

823
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 6: that that global free trading order.

824
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 4: No.

825
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 6: The real pinch point for Mexico and canada's actually coming up,

826
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 6: so that the USMCA trade agreement is due to be

827
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 6: renegotiated this year. That's sort of one of those icebergs

828
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 6: on the horizon that's just kind of looming, and people

829
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 6: haven't ultimately outside the trade world, been spending that much

830
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 6: time thinking about it, just because there's free NAIPA, there's

831
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 6: all the crazies around the tariffs. There's just so many

832
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 6: other mad shocks happening to the American economy right now.

833
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 6: That particular negotiation obviously could go anyway. If I had

834
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 6: to make prediction, my guess is you'll have a lot

835
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 6: of sand and fury. You'll have a lot of threats,

836
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 6: as you always do with Donald trumps attempts to negotiate

837
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 6: with other countries. But ultimately these three economies are really intertwined.

838
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 6: It would cause complete chaos to a really really damaging

839
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 6: extent and to extend probably going to midterms. The tru

840
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 6: administration is not gonna be willing to bite in things

841
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 6: like all the car manufacturing that happens alongside the US

842
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 6: Mexico border, where you've had decades of free train so

843
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 6: good shuffling back and forth BETWEENOS factories and you have

844
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 6: to unwind those supply chains.

845
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 4: That would cause a huge shocks.

846
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 6: I'd be pretty surprised if they're willing to eat the

847
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 6: consequences of really blowing this thing up.

848
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 4: But it's definitely going to be a mess.

849
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: Oh good looking forward to that. When you look at

850
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: the Trump administration and the on me right now, what

851
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: are the things you see? You know, we've just heard

852
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: this news about AI coming from Gorman tax one of

853
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: the things you see that are like passable pitfalls happening,

854
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, coming up on the horizon.

855
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean.

856
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 6: The funny thing is that you look at the American

857
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 6: economy for the past five or so years, ever since COVID,

858
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 6: and people hate it.

859
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: The consumer sentiment has been really bad. Consistently, there have

860
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 4: been all these crazy shocks.

861
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 6: We've talked about the tariffs a whole bunch, but you

862
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 6: could add shutting down a lot of immigration to that list.

863
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 6: You could add messing with the Feds independence that list,

864
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 6: and a whole array of other things as well, and

865
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 6: kind of behind the scenes, the economy's basically just.

866
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 4: Been chugging along.

867
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 6: If you look at measures of consumer spending growth things

868
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 6: like that, they've just been bouncing around between two or

869
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 6: three percent for basically the past five years.

870
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: Which is normal, on the strong end of normal, but

871
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: still basically normal.

872
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 6: And if you looked at one of those charts and

873
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 6: you said, actually, this is happening at a time when

874
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 6: the global trading orders being torn up and a million

875
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 6: other institutional shops are happening, it almost feels quite surreal

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Speaker 6: because there's just this real stability in the background, and

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Speaker 6: so it feels almost like a slightly foolish bet to

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Speaker 6: say that's going to change when we've add so much

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Speaker 6: layer of chaos and it hasn't yet.

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Speaker 4: But they're obviously risks, as there always are.

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Speaker 6: Certainly, the economic evidence is pretty compelling that in the

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Speaker 6: medium to long run, if you shut down free trade,

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Speaker 6: that's pretty bad the productivity dynams in your economy. You

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Speaker 6: shut down immigration, particularly high end immigration, and there's a

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Speaker 6: whole question right now about those fees on the H

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Speaker 6: one V visas and exactly what the regime there is

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Speaker 6: going to be.

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Speaker 4: But certainly foreign students being.

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Speaker 6: Speed away from America, that's all stuff that's absolutely gonna

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Speaker 6: be damaging to the American economy pretty unambiguously.

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Speaker 4: And then on the AI points, it's tough to say.

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Speaker 6: Every single person has different predictions about what AI is

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Speaker 6: going to do to the labor mark and to productivity.

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Speaker 6: There's the whole separate question about whether we're going to

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Speaker 6: get a bubble in the short term. And certainly the

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Speaker 6: history of almost every transformational technological wave has been that

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Speaker 6: it comes in these boom and bus cycles where people

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Speaker 6: get very very excited, people start raising the poor money

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Speaker 6: in That was Apple, with the Internet, with cellular happening,

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Speaker 6: with railroads. If you have further back, and so if

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Speaker 6: you expect historical pattern to continue, then we're due for

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Speaker 6: a bit of a shock there. But how deep that is,

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Speaker 6: how heart reaching that is, and one of that matters

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Speaker 6: at some level. You know, the Internet was real. You

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Speaker 6: lost a lot of money if you bought in at

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Speaker 6: the top of the tech bubble twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 6: But ultimately the economy was really transformed by it, and

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Speaker 6: SU's probably ais on a similar.

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Speaker 1: Path, aren't you'all?

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you great to be on.

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Speaker 3: No moment.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, Hey, Molly, I feel like you have a

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Speaker 1: moment of fruckratd I do.

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Speaker 5: Have a moment of fuckerate and it's the wee twenty

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Speaker 5: two year old lad Thomas Fugate who is in charge

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Speaker 5: of all of our domestic counter terrorism operations at the

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Speaker 5: Department of Homeland Security and yes.

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Speaker 1: Folks twenty two and he has the same name as

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Speaker 1: doctor Tobias Foutgay from Arrested Development.

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Speaker 5: He strikes me as a character and Arrested Development I

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Speaker 5: might have committed some mild treason.

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Speaker 1: But he does have one eyebrow that goes higher than

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Speaker 1: the other. But really we have just made an enemy

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Speaker 1: out of a really scary regime that runs terrorism in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East.

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Speaker 5: And that regime loves to use like low intensity operations

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Speaker 5: like suicide bombers. Luckily, DHS has reconfigured itself to provide

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Speaker 5: two things the oppression of American protesters, the killing of

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Speaker 5: American protesters and oppression and also luxury jet travel for

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Speaker 5: Christy Noman, her meat puppet. So I got to tell you,

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Speaker 5: since they fired all of their counter intelligence people out

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Speaker 5: of DHS, since they got rid of all the cybersecurity

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Speaker 5: people of DHS so that they could put all of

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Speaker 5: their energy into going after the threat of people here

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Speaker 5: to work as gardeners and home healthcare nurses. We're basically

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Speaker 5: buck naked on Iran. If they want to attack us here,

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Speaker 5: if they want to send some asshole with a suicide

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Speaker 5: vest into a museum or a grocery store or whatever,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure twenty two year old dipshit fuck boy Thomas

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Speaker 5: Fugate is going to be Johnny on the fucking spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not good.

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Speaker 3: No, not good, strongly not going up.

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Speaker 1: It's not good.

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Speaker 4: Not good.

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Speaker 1: By the way, my new favorite genre of tweets are

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Speaker 1: moved to Dubai because it felt safe to raise kids

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Speaker 1: away from politics. That's my favorite moved to Dubai.

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Speaker 5: I like the people that are rating their hotels in

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Speaker 5: Dubai now on Google. It's like zero hut of five

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Speaker 5: stars missile strike four above me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Why couldn't Andrew Tate have gone back to Dubai for

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Speaker 3: the festivities?

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Speaker 1: I mean really, I mean is he living in Floridas?

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Speaker 5: Though I think he's in floridastough I heard that he's

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Speaker 5: a doubt like a Fort Lauderdale or something, which.

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Speaker 1: That sounds exactly right. Rick Wilson, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: You bet, Mollie. See you next week.

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