WEBVTT - Selects: The Disappearance of Flight MH370, Part II 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.040 Hey, everybody, it's me Josh, and I've said it before 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.960 and I'll say it again. The disappearance of MH three 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:09.080 seventy is one of the biggest mysteries in aviation history. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.480 In the second part, we talk about the investigation into 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.760 the disappearance and the theories of what might have happened. 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:20.439 Hope you enjoy. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:29.160 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:33.479 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.080 there's Charles W Chuck Bryant, and this is part two 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:42.600 of two about H three seventy, the most mysterious disappearance 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.479 of any airliner in the history of modern aviation. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.760 That's right. We won't do a full recap, but where 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:49.760 we're picking up now. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.000 No, no, wait, you want to do a full recap 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:53.040 twenty minutes easy. 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.400 We are at the point where the plane has crashed, 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:02.080 and we're going to pick up with a post crash investigations, which, 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:09.080 like many airline crash investigations, were bungled, and was bungled 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:09.800 in a lot of ways. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.640 Oh yeah, So Ed points out that like kind of 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:20.039 oddly that there are a lot of crash investigations you 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.039 can point to that, you know, kind of deferred toward 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.479 the airline manufacturer when they were at fault or tried 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:29.559 to do some cover up or was not great. None 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.520 of them, from what I can tell, compower to this one. 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:33.160 No agreed. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.520 This is very, very not good. And the seems to 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:41.080 be the roundly accepted reason for the whole thing being 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.319 bungled was that Malaysia at the time was a dictatorship 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.080 and you could disappear if you weren't doing your job 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.720 very well or if you offended the people in charge, 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.800 and a crash of a Malaysian's airline flight in particular 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:57.840 was kind of a dicey thing to talk about because 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:03.080 Malaysian Airlines was the pride of Malaysia and it was 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:08.679 at the time a government largely government owned and controlled airline, 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:12.400 a state owned airline. It was the Malaysia was the 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.639 majority owner of stock, and it was publicly traded. Malayia 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.799 Airlines was, but they owned the majority of it. They 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.680 called the shots. And after twenty fourteen, which proved to 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.800 be a terrible year by any airline standards, because not 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:29.040 only was MH three to seventy it vanish MH seventeen 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.960 was shot down over Ukraine the same year. Just less 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.360 than six months later, the Malaysian government set about buying 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.919 back all of the shares that were outstanding of Malaysian 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.720 Airlines and took it off of public listing made it 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.360 a fully stayed owned company. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.840 Yeah, so they certainly didn't want the bad press no 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:49.720 was sure to follow. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.400 Now, so there's a lot of people who say the 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.440 Malaysian government covered this up, not because they did anything 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.560 the fariest, but because they were worried that something embarrassing 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.640 was going to come out. And this is not a 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:04.120 government that could handle embarrassment very well, and so they 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:11.320 literally obfuscated the investigation into what happened at mh three 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:11.840 to seventy. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:16.600 Yeah. So the first problem here is we know now 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.600 that this plane crashed in the South Indian Ocean, and 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:21.840 it took a week before they were looking in the 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:26.400 South Indian Ocean, So the first twenty four hours was 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:30.280 in the South China Sea between Malaysia and Vietnam. They 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:34.480 ended up hooking up and creating a Joint Agency Coordination 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.400 Center or actually Australia's who created that, and they led 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.600 the search efforts because it was close to them and 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.080 they found no trace even after they did all this 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:50.640 ocean floor mapping searching. You know, they had that seventh 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.760 arc peg searched all along there. 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.800 One hundred and twenty thousand square miles. 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.120 Yeah, which is you know, even if you find that 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.240 seventh arc and you know it's somewhere in here, that's 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.440 still a vast, vast area. And this thing is on 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.320 the bottom of the ocean at this point. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.560 And we should say it. By this time, Australia has 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.680 stepped up and been like, well, this happened not too 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:13.360 far from US. I guess we're the closest major country, 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:18.760 certainly Western democracy in this in this area. We'll head 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.159 this up. Malaysia will help you out. And they footed 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.359 a lot of the bill, which was pretty cool. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.479 Yeah for Australia. Sixty million bucks. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.240 Yeah, from what under stand me. Yeah, and I think 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.200 it was the most and still is the most expensive 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.279 search in aviation history. Yeah, which is kind of surprising. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.320 You'd think that more would have been spent, but I 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.520 think they usually find them sooner than this. This was 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:40.560 not found. 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:41.360 Yeah, and they. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:45.479 Searched for two solid years for this thing, and just 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.680 on that seventh arc. Yeah, there's a lot of people 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:49.560 who at the time were like, no, you know how 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.160 it forms a circle. Well, there's a northern arc and 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.000 a southern arc. And some people said, no, northern arc somewhere, 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.360 it's in Kazakhstan. The southern arc was in the Indian Ocean. 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.440 Most people said, probably the southern arc, right, So that's 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.280 where they searched, and they still didn't find it. 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.200 Yeah, and it took so long to even get there. 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.680 By that point, there were a lot of things. If 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.680 you had that first twenty four hours, it's sort of 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.520 like a murder investigation. That first day is so key, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.560 the first forty eight Yeah is it forty eight? Say 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.080 I'm making I'm there and done at twenty four buddy, yeah, okay. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:26.000 So Malaysia then heads up what's called the Joint Investigation Team. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.480 The US was involved, China, Britain, and France. 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.919 This was the one that was meant to follow the 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:37.720 protocols of just the internationally agreed upon the accident investigation 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:42.880 to make for everybody. And Malaysia did not help out 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:43.400 very well. 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:47.839 No, so they issued the Malaysian Ministry of Transport issued 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:52.919 a preliminary and a final report. The preliminary report ed 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.599 describes as more or less a reprint of the Boeing 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.720 seven to seven seven manual, just like, well, here here 0:05:58.800 --> 0:05:59.880 was the plane. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.720 Which I think think it's kind of standard to have 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:03.520 technical information, but this is. 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.599 The whole report, and then the second one, the final 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:12.760 report basically pointed out where air traffic control failed along 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:13.080 the way. 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:18.680 Yeah, and I saw in that Langwish article that they 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:23.000 were politically speaking the easiest targets they were not going to. 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.120 There wasn't going to be any backlash by kind of 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.080 taking them to task, especially taking the ho Chi Minh 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.160 air traffic controllers to task too. They should have been 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.760 taking the task. Eighteen minutes is a very long time 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.000 to let an airliner in your jurisdiction just be disappeared. 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.040 So that was a big problem. But the Malaysian Air 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:46.039 Force also should have been criticized for covering up the 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.520 fact that they hadn't done anything for an hour, that 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:55.040 they were tracking this unidentified airplane in their airspace and 0:06:55.120 --> 0:07:00.039 let an entire search multi national search be mounted in 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:00.839 the South China. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:02.880 Scene in the wrong place, like a couple of days. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.120 Before they were like, actually, yeah, we think they went 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:06.560 this way. 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.359 Yeah, you know, because it takes a long time to 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.480 even assemble that kind of search squad. Yeah, So I 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.480 think if they searched for two days and didn't get 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.440 start till a week later, that's like four days just 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.000 to like move right, you know. 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.239 And so in that time, an oil slick, a debris field, 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:26.120 all that stuff can just vanish. Yeah, and an airliner 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.640 really can in an area the size of the Indian Ocean, 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.760 especially even when you know where to look, can just disappear. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.200 And that is why a lot of people say we 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:40.720 will probably never find yeh three seventy's there's another couple 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:41.800 of reasons, why too. 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.560 Are we going to get to those? Sure? Okay, the 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.920 police in Malaysia and this bore a little bit of fruit. 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.880 They conducted some background checks on everyone on the plane, 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:56.280 and they did find two passengers who were Iranians that 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.600 had stolen passports. Apparently they were just seeking political assa though, 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.840 although that does factor into some of the conspiracy theories 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:05.120 that pop up later on. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.920 Yeah, anytime you have two Iranian nationals traveling under fake 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.640 passports on a plane that disappeared, some people are going 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.560 to say, sure, I don't know about that one. 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.680 Yeah exactly. And then here was The one thing about 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:22.280 their final report from the police is they described Captain T. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:27.000 Sahari basically saying like this guy was great, nothing wrong, 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:32.960 he was a great pilot. Nothing to alarm anybody here 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.040 about Captain Sahari, And that's in the final report and 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.040 we'll get to him. But that does not appear to 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:40.480 be true. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:46.800 No, So after the search, after two years and one 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:52.160 hundred and sixty million dollars and one hundred and twenty thousand, sorry, 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.240 one hundred and twenty thousand square kilometers, I think it 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.439 said square miles, still a lot of square miles searched. 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.320 The Australians, the Malaysians, and the Chinese that made up 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.480 the tripartite commission that we're kind of running the show 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:11.600 in the search said officially, we don't know what happened. 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.600 All we can say is that we believe MH three 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:20.080 seventy ended somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean. That the 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:25.000 official stance on what happened to a vanished airliner that 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.720 they said, we don't know, And that's as far as 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:28.320 we're going to go. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.240 Yeah, and I do want to point out quickly there 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:34.239 was one private agency called in Or I think volunteered 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.480 called Ocean Infinity from Texas. Yeah, they performed a search 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.040 basically pro bono. If they find the plane, they get paid. 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.680 But just as a sort of a nerd in this way, 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.920 I looked at that company and they are awesome. Yeah, 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.599 it's really cool man. They are. They call it seabed Intelligence, 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:58.040 and it's like James Cameron style stuff. The resources and 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.240 the toys that the dudes to play with. Yeah, it's 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:02.080 pretty pretty cool. 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.000 Yeah. They'll have a mother ship. Well at least this 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.320 is what they did for the Image three seventy search. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.880 They have a mother ship. Yeah, and I think the 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.920 mothership goes through in maps the underwater terrain in three 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:16.120 D first and then that forms their search area. They 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:17.800 release some autonomous drones. 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.880 Yeah they look like torpedoes yep, but. 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.840 They're drones that can be controlled from this mothership and 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.840 they go through and scan using sonar in detail the seabed. 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.600 It's so cool and iris photography. It's like really cool stuff. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.800 It works really well. Ocean Ocean Infinity has a great 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.720 track reckerally finding stuff there. Who I would call They've 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.920 they found like a missing submarine from Argentina. They found 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:41.520 a bunch of other things. I would call them too. 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:43.160 By the way, we should get them on the We 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.160 should hire them out for the Tybee Island nuke. 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.840 We totally should. I'm surprised they haven't just done that 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.320 for fun. Yeah, as a matter of fact, I think 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.559 they should solve a mystery. Yeah, the broken arrow or 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:54.319 the empty quiver. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.720 And they're like, we spent how many multimillions of dollars 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.800 just to say we solve that mystery? Rights for this? 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.280 No? No, they're from Texas, so anytime they find something, 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:07.720 they don't think about that. Instead they just shoot their 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:08.880 six shooters into the air. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.560 That's right. I forgot about that, right. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.000 So that's fine, that's good enough for them. Let's pay enough. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.200 But Ocean Infinity, Yeah, they know what they're doing, and 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.960 they still couldn't find it. A three. There were some 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.640 things that were found in the search. Number one. This 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:27.240 was uncharted territory and now huge swaths of it are 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.559 now mapped. They found an underwater volcano, an enormous one 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.040 that they had no idea existed before. They found a 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.400 couple of shipwrecks from the nineteenth century that had just 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:40.880 been totally lost, but they still found no trace whatsoever 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:45.920 of MH three seventy, despite two major searches in an 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:50.120 official finally an official final report from Australia saying we 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.720 don't know, We will probably never know. All we can 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.640 say is that the flight ended almost certainly in the 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:56.840 Southern Indian Ocean. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.920 That's right, and we should shout out the Independent Group. 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.880 This is an online group of enthusiasts Internet. Yeah, who 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.319 got together to try and figure this out. And at 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.200 even pointed out like you know, you hear Internet sleuths, 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.760 and you're like, come on, get off the tinfoil hat. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.280 But it turns out that these people, a lot of 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.520 them when there were engineers, They worked in aviation formally 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.600 or currently, and they were really interested in trying to 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.880 help and I think ended up helping in a lot 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:27.240 of ways. 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:31.120 Yeah, and even beyond like tinfoil heads Internet can they've 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.280 done things like identified John Doe's and Jane Doe's. For sure, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.440 they've done a lot of cool stuff. But typically they're 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:42.440 not qualified in what they're doing. They're just very interested 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.920 and very dogged in their pursuits. Right with the Independent Group, 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:52.080 these are actual like people with PhDs and electrical engineering 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.320 and secondary radar and satellites and the stuff that they're 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.680 they're doing. They just all happened to come together, bound 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.280 by their common interest in search for this plane. And 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.400 if you go and read, I will give you one 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.320 thousand dollars if you can make it through one of 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.640 their blog posts. Yeah, it's so dense and so scientific, 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.920 looked at one of them, but they're so legitimate. The 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.200 Australian government when they wrapped up their search, maybe at 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.600 some point during it they actually acknowledged and thanked the 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.360 Independent Group for their work because they were relying on 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:23.280 it to some extent. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.120 Yeah, and I'm sure like no one ever and this 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:28.959 kind of thing or search and rescue, no one ever 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.800 wants this to happen. But this is their chance to 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:34.640 really get involved in try and do some good. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:36.280 Woo the Independent Group. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:37.040 Yeah, sure. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:41.720 They also agitated for more transparency in this stuff, and 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.280 I think they got their hands well. They went aroundabout way. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.800 They made friends with some of the family of MH 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.480 three seventy, just by the families hearing about what they 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.160 were doing, and from one of the families they got 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.800 the raw m Marsat data. At a time when m 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.760 Marsatt was saying thistually belongs to Malaysia or Malaysian Airlines. 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.400 We can't release it. Malaysia was saying, well, no, in 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.720 mar Set has to release it. They just went around 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.040 both and got the raw data, and we're able to 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.280 really do some much better calculations than they had before 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:14.800 with the raw in mar set data. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.400 All right, so let's take a break and we'll go 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.840 start up our own internet sleuthing concern. Get that ramped up. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.120 What are we going to get to the bottom of puppies? 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.280 Sure? Okay, why are they so darn cute? 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:28.040 That sounds like us? 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:29.040 All right, we'll be right back. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:55.800 Okay, chuck. 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.520 So are we at wreckage? 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.760 Not quite yet? I want to talk about the Yeah, 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.920 we are at wreckage. I think they'll tie in nicely 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:05.760 to what I was going to say. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.680 Yeah, I mean because this thing disappeared. That is not 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.000 to say there were no traces, because we have pieces 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:17.280 of this plane. Now. There are people sort of like 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.800 these internets loose that are captured by a story such 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.240 that they will spend a large portion of their life 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.400 trying to solve it and looking for. 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:27.440 Stuff and savings. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.480 Yeah, sure, a lot of money I think. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:31.840 By people you really mean person. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.120 No, there are a lot of other people. There was 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:38.120 one man called Zahid Raza who searched for years and 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.400 he was murdered in Madagascar, so he was. 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.680 His job was as the Malaysian Council to Madagascar, who's 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:46.640 like the ambassador to Madagascar. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:51.360 Yeah, and the conspiracy minded will say, now this guy's 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.120 finding stuff, and they took him out. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.200 So there was a dude who did leave his life 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:01.360 in I think Seattle and move well, actually just started 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.400 moving around the world, which he did normally anyway. But 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:08.520 his name is Blaine Gibson, and yeah, he factors big 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.480 into that William Languish article. He talks about him a lot. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.040 But he just became moved by this and decided that 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:16.880 he was going to go start finding wreckage. And he 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.880 has I think a third of the debris found from 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:25.280 MH three seventy has been personally found by Blaine Gibson, 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.680 just globe trotting. 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:28.600 Basically amazing. 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.600 But he figured out if it was the Southern Indian Ocean, 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.280 then this wreckage is probably going to start to show 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:40.720 up somewhere around the southern the southwest coast of Africa, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:47.960 South Africa, Mozambique, Madagascar, and he was right, and the 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.240 first piece turned up in twenty fifteen. It was a 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:56.840 six foot piece of an airplane, and it won. No. 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:58.880 I can't as a matter of fact, I mean looking 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:00.200 for this and then finding it. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.600 It's like a search for a needle in a haystack. 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.720 But it was found on Reunion Island off of Madagascar. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:11.000 I think it's under the control of Mauritius. And this 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.480 was a really big deal for a couple of reasons. One, 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:20.480 it showed incontrovertibly that the Southern Arc was correct, that 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:26.360 it hadn't flown north into Kazakhstan, that the flight had 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:27.840 end into the Indian Ocean. 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:29.560 Yeah, I mean, it showed that it crashed. 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:31.800 That's a big one. It showed that it had broken 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.600 up like it wasn't like a fire or anything like 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:35.520 that had come apart. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.080 Well, and it wasn't secretly landed somewhere. Some of those 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:40.840 conspiracies get pretty out there, right. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.639 But the other effect that this had was that it 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.520 devastated the MH three seventy families who had been holding 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.040 out hope because it was disappeared this airliner vanished and 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.680 people were saying, no, it actually is in the air 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:58.719 based Diego Garcia under US control. No, it's under Russian 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.960 control in Kazakhstan. It's somewhere, our people are somewhere. Maybe 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.320 maybe there's this hope. This dashed those hopes. Yeah, and 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:11.240 it came a full more than a year after the 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.720 plane disappeared. So they had been like really holding onto 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.720 this hope to a desperate degree for more than a 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.399 year and then it was dashed. Yeah, So it was 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.320 a big deal when it was found. And that was 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.760 the first of several pieces that washed up in that area. 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:29.800 Yeah. This was a part of the airplane called a flaperon. 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:32.440 It's on the back edge of the wing and it's 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:33.800 a control surface. 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.000 You know, the kind of this kind of flaps up 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.160 and down on it. It's a great name for it. 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:41.359 It is now all no and the serial numbers confirmed it. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:45.880 So it was definitely from MH three seventy. And then 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.159 many other pieces have I think what dozens at this 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.000 point the pieces of plane have been found. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.400 What's creepy is other pieces have been found, but they're 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.920 not from MH three seventy. It's like, well, what plane 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:04.160 are these coming from? Oh? Well, yeah, that's creepy. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.720 Yeah, I think maybe every is there any way to 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.760 completely tag every square inch of an airplane? I don't know, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.879 I don't know, and not necessarily with a stamp, but 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:17.760 I don't know, know, I know what you means, some kind 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.159 of technology. 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.119 If there's a you could probably attach some sort of 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.040 marker to atoms eventually, and yeah, we would be able 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.480 to tag any any part of any plane, down to the. 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.080 Way you find a little four inch piece of metal 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:31.199 and you know what it is. 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.880 You just like analyze the atomic makeup and yeah, oh 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:35.160 look image three seventy. 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:37.240 But that's the future everyone, that's. 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.399 Not too far up. Once we get into nanotechnology, that 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.520 will be commonplace, although we'll also probably be able to 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:43.919 make planes that don't come apart. 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:50.119 So the other thing that suggests too is that the 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.080 plane hit and we talked earlier about when a plane 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.600 is descending into an ocean like that is going super fast, 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.560 and this really kind of confirms that because they didn't 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.640 find much wreckage the plane. These parts probably ripped off 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.440 on the way down, and most of the plane fairly 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:11.520 intact hit the ocean and went south very very fast. 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.679 Yeah, right to the bottom, right to the bottom. So 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:16.200 this also dashed the hopes of the families even further 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:22.040 in that those four electronic location transmitters, yeah, the beak 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:24.000 of the life beacons that were supposed to go off, 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.159 and all four failed. Some family members and a lot of 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:31.359 conspiracy theorists are saying all four of those failing. No way, Yeah, 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:36.399 it means that the plane didn't descend quickly, didn't catch fire, 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.119 didn't hit water because some of those transmitters are supposed 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.840 to go off when they hit water. But if they 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.360 broke up on the way down, because here's the thing 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.679 is the planes if it entered a steep decline at 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:49.879 six hundred miles an hour, which is about what they 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.160 think that was cruising at, if it drops from thirty 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.359 five thousand feet at six hundred miles an hour within 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:58.159 two minutes, it's going to just break up, either on 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.480 the way down or the moment it hit its water. 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.120 So much so that some of these beacons that are 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:06.520 designed for the scenario are not going to function. And 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.959 there's another there is one beacon that is designed to 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.880 go off on impact. It's designed for that kind of thing, 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:18.679 but it needs fifty seconds above water to transmit to 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.320 the satellite. So they think this thing hits so fast 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.720 that that beacon might have just gone right down underwater 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.320 and not been able to transmit in that fifty seconds. 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:32.880 So it's an explanation that the plane came apart in 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.520 the Southern Indian Ocean. Didn't just crash in the Southern 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.000