1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Josh, and I've said it before 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: and I'll say it again. The disappearance of MH three 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: seventy is one of the biggest mysteries in aviation history. 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: In the second part, we talk about the investigation into 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: the disappearance and the theories of what might have happened. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy. 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: there's Charles W Chuck Bryant, and this is part two 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: of two about H three seventy, the most mysterious disappearance 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: of any airliner in the history of modern aviation. 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: That's right. We won't do a full recap, but where 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: we're picking up now. 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: No, no, wait, you want to do a full recap 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: twenty minutes easy. 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: We are at the point where the plane has crashed, 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: and we're going to pick up with a post crash investigations, which, 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: like many airline crash investigations, were bungled, and was bungled 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So Ed points out that like kind of 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: oddly that there are a lot of crash investigations you 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: can point to that, you know, kind of deferred toward 23 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: the airline manufacturer when they were at fault or tried 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 1: to do some cover up or was not great. None 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: of them, from what I can tell, compower to this one. 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: No agreed. 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: This is very, very not good. And the seems to 28 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: be the roundly accepted reason for the whole thing being 29 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: bungled was that Malaysia at the time was a dictatorship 30 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: and you could disappear if you weren't doing your job 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: very well or if you offended the people in charge, 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: and a crash of a Malaysian's airline flight in particular 33 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: was kind of a dicey thing to talk about because 34 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: Malaysian Airlines was the pride of Malaysia and it was 35 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: at the time a government largely government owned and controlled airline, 36 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: a state owned airline. It was the Malaysia was the 37 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: majority owner of stock, and it was publicly traded. Malayia 38 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: Airlines was, but they owned the majority of it. They 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: called the shots. And after twenty fourteen, which proved to 40 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: be a terrible year by any airline standards, because not 41 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: only was MH three to seventy it vanish MH seventeen 42 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: was shot down over Ukraine the same year. Just less 43 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: than six months later, the Malaysian government set about buying 44 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: back all of the shares that were outstanding of Malaysian 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: Airlines and took it off of public listing made it 46 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: a fully stayed owned company. 47 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they certainly didn't want the bad press no 48 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: was sure to follow. 49 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: Now, so there's a lot of people who say the 50 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: Malaysian government covered this up, not because they did anything 51 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: the fariest, but because they were worried that something embarrassing 52 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: was going to come out. And this is not a 53 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: government that could handle embarrassment very well, and so they 54 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: literally obfuscated the investigation into what happened at mh three 55 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: to seventy. 56 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first problem here is we know now 57 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: that this plane crashed in the South Indian Ocean, and 58 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: it took a week before they were looking in the 59 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: South Indian Ocean, So the first twenty four hours was 60 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: in the South China Sea between Malaysia and Vietnam. They 61 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: ended up hooking up and creating a Joint Agency Coordination 62 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: Center or actually Australia's who created that, and they led 63 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: the search efforts because it was close to them and 64 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: they found no trace even after they did all this 65 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: ocean floor mapping searching. You know, they had that seventh 66 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: arc peg searched all along there. 67 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty thousand square miles. 68 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is you know, even if you find that 69 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: seventh arc and you know it's somewhere in here, that's 70 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: still a vast, vast area. And this thing is on 71 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: the bottom of the ocean at this point. 72 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: And we should say it. By this time, Australia has 73 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: stepped up and been like, well, this happened not too 74 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: far from US. I guess we're the closest major country, 75 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: certainly Western democracy in this in this area. We'll head 76 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: this up. Malaysia will help you out. And they footed 77 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: a lot of the bill, which was pretty cool. 78 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: Yeah for Australia. Sixty million bucks. 79 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, from what under stand me. Yeah, and I think 80 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: it was the most and still is the most expensive 81 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: search in aviation history. Yeah, which is kind of surprising. 82 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: You'd think that more would have been spent, but I 83 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: think they usually find them sooner than this. This was 84 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: not found. 85 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they. 86 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: Searched for two solid years for this thing, and just 87 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: on that seventh arc. Yeah, there's a lot of people 88 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: who at the time were like, no, you know how 89 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: it forms a circle. Well, there's a northern arc and 90 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: a southern arc. And some people said, no, northern arc somewhere, 91 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: it's in Kazakhstan. The southern arc was in the Indian Ocean. 92 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: Most people said, probably the southern arc, right, So that's 93 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: where they searched, and they still didn't find it. 94 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it took so long to even get there. 95 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: By that point, there were a lot of things. If 96 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: you had that first twenty four hours, it's sort of 97 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: like a murder investigation. That first day is so key, 98 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: the first forty eight Yeah is it forty eight? Say 99 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: I'm making I'm there and done at twenty four buddy, yeah, okay. 100 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: So Malaysia then heads up what's called the Joint Investigation Team. 101 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: The US was involved, China, Britain, and France. 102 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: This was the one that was meant to follow the 103 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: protocols of just the internationally agreed upon the accident investigation 104 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: to make for everybody. And Malaysia did not help out 105 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: very well. 106 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: No, so they issued the Malaysian Ministry of Transport issued 107 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: a preliminary and a final report. The preliminary report ed 108 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 2: describes as more or less a reprint of the Boeing 109 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: seven to seven seven manual, just like, well, here here 110 00:05:58,800 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: was the plane. 111 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: Which I think think it's kind of standard to have 112 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: technical information, but this is. 113 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: The whole report, and then the second one, the final 114 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: report basically pointed out where air traffic control failed along 115 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: the way. 116 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I saw in that Langwish article that they 117 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: were politically speaking the easiest targets they were not going to. 118 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: There wasn't going to be any backlash by kind of 119 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: taking them to task, especially taking the ho Chi Minh 120 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: air traffic controllers to task too. They should have been 121 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: taking the task. Eighteen minutes is a very long time 122 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: to let an airliner in your jurisdiction just be disappeared. 123 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: So that was a big problem. But the Malaysian Air 124 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: Force also should have been criticized for covering up the 125 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: fact that they hadn't done anything for an hour, that 126 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: they were tracking this unidentified airplane in their airspace and 127 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:00,039 Speaker 1: let an entire search multi national search be mounted in 128 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: the South China. 129 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: Scene in the wrong place, like a couple of days. 130 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: Before they were like, actually, yeah, we think they went 131 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: this way. 132 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because it takes a long time to 133 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: even assemble that kind of search squad. Yeah, So I 134 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: think if they searched for two days and didn't get 135 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: start till a week later, that's like four days just 136 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: to like move right, you know. 137 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,239 Speaker 1: And so in that time, an oil slick, a debris field, 138 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: all that stuff can just vanish. Yeah, and an airliner 139 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: really can in an area the size of the Indian Ocean, 140 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: especially even when you know where to look, can just disappear. 141 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: And that is why a lot of people say we 142 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: will probably never find yeh three seventy's there's another couple 143 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: of reasons, why too. 144 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: Are we going to get to those? Sure? Okay, the 145 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: police in Malaysia and this bore a little bit of fruit. 146 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: They conducted some background checks on everyone on the plane, 147 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: and they did find two passengers who were Iranians that 148 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: had stolen passports. Apparently they were just seeking political assa though, 149 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: although that does factor into some of the conspiracy theories 150 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: that pop up later on. 151 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, anytime you have two Iranian nationals traveling under fake 152 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: passports on a plane that disappeared, some people are going 153 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: to say, sure, I don't know about that one. 154 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. And then here was The one thing about 155 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: their final report from the police is they described Captain T. 156 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: Sahari basically saying like this guy was great, nothing wrong, 157 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: he was a great pilot. Nothing to alarm anybody here 158 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: about Captain Sahari, And that's in the final report and 159 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: we'll get to him. But that does not appear to 160 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: be true. 161 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: No, So after the search, after two years and one 162 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty million dollars and one hundred and twenty thousand, sorry, 163 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty thousand square kilometers, I think it 164 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: said square miles, still a lot of square miles searched. 165 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: The Australians, the Malaysians, and the Chinese that made up 166 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: the tripartite commission that we're kind of running the show 167 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: in the search said officially, we don't know what happened. 168 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: All we can say is that we believe MH three 169 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: seventy ended somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean. That the 170 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: official stance on what happened to a vanished airliner that 171 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: they said, we don't know, And that's as far as 172 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: we're going to go. 173 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do want to point out quickly there 174 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,239 Speaker 2: was one private agency called in Or I think volunteered 175 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: called Ocean Infinity from Texas. Yeah, they performed a search 176 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: basically pro bono. If they find the plane, they get paid. 177 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: But just as a sort of a nerd in this way, 178 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: I looked at that company and they are awesome. Yeah, 179 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,599 Speaker 2: it's really cool man. They are. They call it seabed Intelligence, 180 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: and it's like James Cameron style stuff. The resources and 181 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: the toys that the dudes to play with. Yeah, it's 182 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: pretty pretty cool. 183 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. They'll have a mother ship. Well at least this 184 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: is what they did for the Image three seventy search. 185 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: They have a mother ship. Yeah, and I think the 186 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: mothership goes through in maps the underwater terrain in three 187 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: D first and then that forms their search area. They 188 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: release some autonomous drones. 189 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: Yeah they look like torpedoes yep, but. 190 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: They're drones that can be controlled from this mothership and 191 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: they go through and scan using sonar in detail the seabed. 192 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: It's so cool and iris photography. It's like really cool stuff. 193 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: It works really well. Ocean Ocean Infinity has a great 194 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: track reckerally finding stuff there. Who I would call They've 195 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: they found like a missing submarine from Argentina. They found 196 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of other things. I would call them too. 197 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: By the way, we should get them on the We 198 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: should hire them out for the Tybee Island nuke. 199 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: We totally should. I'm surprised they haven't just done that 200 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: for fun. Yeah, as a matter of fact, I think 201 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: they should solve a mystery. Yeah, the broken arrow or 202 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: the empty quiver. 203 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: And they're like, we spent how many multimillions of dollars 204 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: just to say we solve that mystery? Rights for this? 205 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: No? No, they're from Texas, so anytime they find something, 206 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: they don't think about that. Instead they just shoot their 207 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: six shooters into the air. 208 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: That's right. I forgot about that, right. 209 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: So that's fine, that's good enough for them. Let's pay enough. 210 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: But Ocean Infinity, Yeah, they know what they're doing, and 211 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: they still couldn't find it. A three. There were some 212 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: things that were found in the search. Number one. This 213 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: was uncharted territory and now huge swaths of it are 214 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: now mapped. They found an underwater volcano, an enormous one 215 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: that they had no idea existed before. They found a 216 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: couple of shipwrecks from the nineteenth century that had just 217 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: been totally lost, but they still found no trace whatsoever 218 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: of MH three seventy, despite two major searches in an 219 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: official finally an official final report from Australia saying we 220 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: don't know, We will probably never know. All we can 221 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: say is that the flight ended almost certainly in the 222 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: Southern Indian Ocean. 223 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: That's right, and we should shout out the Independent Group. 224 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: This is an online group of enthusiasts Internet. Yeah, who 225 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 2: got together to try and figure this out. And at 226 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: even pointed out like you know, you hear Internet sleuths, 227 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: and you're like, come on, get off the tinfoil hat. 228 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: But it turns out that these people, a lot of 229 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: them when there were engineers, They worked in aviation formally 230 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: or currently, and they were really interested in trying to 231 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: help and I think ended up helping in a lot 232 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: of ways. 233 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and even beyond like tinfoil heads Internet can they've 234 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: done things like identified John Doe's and Jane Doe's. For sure, 235 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: they've done a lot of cool stuff. But typically they're 236 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: not qualified in what they're doing. They're just very interested 237 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: and very dogged in their pursuits. Right with the Independent Group, 238 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: these are actual like people with PhDs and electrical engineering 239 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: and secondary radar and satellites and the stuff that they're 240 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: they're doing. They just all happened to come together, bound 241 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: by their common interest in search for this plane. And 242 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: if you go and read, I will give you one 243 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: thousand dollars if you can make it through one of 244 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: their blog posts. Yeah, it's so dense and so scientific, 245 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: looked at one of them, but they're so legitimate. The 246 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: Australian government when they wrapped up their search, maybe at 247 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: some point during it they actually acknowledged and thanked the 248 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: Independent Group for their work because they were relying on 249 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: it to some extent. 250 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure like no one ever and this 251 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 2: kind of thing or search and rescue, no one ever 252 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: wants this to happen. But this is their chance to 253 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: really get involved in try and do some good. 254 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: Woo the Independent Group. 255 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure. 256 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: They also agitated for more transparency in this stuff, and 257 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: I think they got their hands well. They went aroundabout way. 258 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: They made friends with some of the family of MH 259 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: three seventy, just by the families hearing about what they 260 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: were doing, and from one of the families they got 261 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: the raw m Marsat data. At a time when m 262 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: Marsatt was saying thistually belongs to Malaysia or Malaysian Airlines. 263 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: We can't release it. Malaysia was saying, well, no, in 264 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: mar Set has to release it. They just went around 265 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: both and got the raw data, and we're able to 266 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: really do some much better calculations than they had before 267 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: with the raw in mar set data. 268 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: All right, so let's take a break and we'll go 269 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 2: start up our own internet sleuthing concern. Get that ramped up. 270 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: What are we going to get to the bottom of puppies? 271 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: Sure? Okay, why are they so darn cute? 272 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: That sounds like us? 273 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: All right, we'll be right back. 274 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: Okay, chuck. 275 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: So are we at wreckage? 276 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: Not quite yet? I want to talk about the Yeah, 277 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: we are at wreckage. I think they'll tie in nicely 278 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: to what I was going to say. 279 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because this thing disappeared. That is not 280 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: to say there were no traces, because we have pieces 281 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: of this plane. Now. There are people sort of like 282 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: these internets loose that are captured by a story such 283 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: that they will spend a large portion of their life 284 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: trying to solve it and looking for. 285 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: Stuff and savings. 286 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, a lot of money I think. 287 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: By people you really mean person. 288 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: No, there are a lot of other people. There was 289 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: one man called Zahid Raza who searched for years and 290 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: he was murdered in Madagascar, so he was. 291 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: His job was as the Malaysian Council to Madagascar, who's 292 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: like the ambassador to Madagascar. 293 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the conspiracy minded will say, now this guy's 294 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: finding stuff, and they took him out. 295 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: So there was a dude who did leave his life 296 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: in I think Seattle and move well, actually just started 297 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: moving around the world, which he did normally anyway. But 298 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: his name is Blaine Gibson, and yeah, he factors big 299 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: into that William Languish article. He talks about him a lot. 300 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: But he just became moved by this and decided that 301 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: he was going to go start finding wreckage. And he 302 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: has I think a third of the debris found from 303 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: MH three seventy has been personally found by Blaine Gibson, 304 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: just globe trotting. 305 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: Basically amazing. 306 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: But he figured out if it was the Southern Indian Ocean, 307 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: then this wreckage is probably going to start to show 308 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: up somewhere around the southern the southwest coast of Africa, 309 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: South Africa, Mozambique, Madagascar, and he was right, and the 310 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: first piece turned up in twenty fifteen. It was a 311 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: six foot piece of an airplane, and it won. No. 312 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: I can't as a matter of fact, I mean looking 313 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: for this and then finding it. 314 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: It's like a search for a needle in a haystack. 315 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: But it was found on Reunion Island off of Madagascar. 316 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: I think it's under the control of Mauritius. And this 317 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: was a really big deal for a couple of reasons. One, 318 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: it showed incontrovertibly that the Southern Arc was correct, that 319 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: it hadn't flown north into Kazakhstan, that the flight had 320 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: end into the Indian Ocean. 321 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it showed that it crashed. 322 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: That's a big one. It showed that it had broken 323 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: up like it wasn't like a fire or anything like 324 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: that had come apart. 325 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: Well, and it wasn't secretly landed somewhere. Some of those 326 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: conspiracies get pretty out there, right. 327 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: But the other effect that this had was that it 328 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: devastated the MH three seventy families who had been holding 329 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: out hope because it was disappeared this airliner vanished and 330 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: people were saying, no, it actually is in the air 331 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 1: based Diego Garcia under US control. No, it's under Russian 332 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: control in Kazakhstan. It's somewhere, our people are somewhere. Maybe 333 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: maybe there's this hope. This dashed those hopes. Yeah, and 334 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: it came a full more than a year after the 335 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: plane disappeared. So they had been like really holding onto 336 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: this hope to a desperate degree for more than a 337 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: year and then it was dashed. Yeah, So it was 338 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: a big deal when it was found. And that was 339 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: the first of several pieces that washed up in that area. 340 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. This was a part of the airplane called a flaperon. 341 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: It's on the back edge of the wing and it's 342 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: a control surface. 343 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: You know, the kind of this kind of flaps up 344 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: and down on it. It's a great name for it. 345 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: It is now all no and the serial numbers confirmed it. 346 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 2: So it was definitely from MH three seventy. And then 347 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: many other pieces have I think what dozens at this 348 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: point the pieces of plane have been found. 349 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: What's creepy is other pieces have been found, but they're 350 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: not from MH three seventy. It's like, well, what plane 351 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: are these coming from? Oh? Well, yeah, that's creepy. 352 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think maybe every is there any way to 353 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: completely tag every square inch of an airplane? I don't know, 354 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: I don't know, and not necessarily with a stamp, but 355 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: I don't know, know, I know what you means, some kind 356 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 2: of technology. 357 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: If there's a you could probably attach some sort of 358 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: marker to atoms eventually, and yeah, we would be able 359 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: to tag any any part of any plane, down to the. 360 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: Way you find a little four inch piece of metal 361 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 2: and you know what it is. 362 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: You just like analyze the atomic makeup and yeah, oh 363 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: look image three seventy. 364 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: But that's the future everyone, that's. 365 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: Not too far up. Once we get into nanotechnology, that 366 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: will be commonplace, although we'll also probably be able to 367 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: make planes that don't come apart. 368 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: So the other thing that suggests too is that the 369 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: plane hit and we talked earlier about when a plane 370 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: is descending into an ocean like that is going super fast, 371 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: and this really kind of confirms that because they didn't 372 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 2: find much wreckage the plane. These parts probably ripped off 373 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: on the way down, and most of the plane fairly 374 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 2: intact hit the ocean and went south very very fast. 375 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, right to the bottom, right to the bottom. So 376 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: this also dashed the hopes of the families even further 377 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: in that those four electronic location transmitters, yeah, the beak 378 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: of the life beacons that were supposed to go off, 379 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: and all four failed. Some family members and a lot of 380 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists are saying all four of those failing. No way, Yeah, 381 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: it means that the plane didn't descend quickly, didn't catch fire, 382 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: didn't hit water because some of those transmitters are supposed 383 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: to go off when they hit water. But if they 384 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: broke up on the way down, because here's the thing 385 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: is the planes if it entered a steep decline at 386 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: six hundred miles an hour, which is about what they 387 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: think that was cruising at, if it drops from thirty 388 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: five thousand feet at six hundred miles an hour within 389 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: two minutes, it's going to just break up, either on 390 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: the way down or the moment it hit its water. 391 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: So much so that some of these beacons that are 392 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: designed for the scenario are not going to function. And 393 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: there's another there is one beacon that is designed to 394 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: go off on impact. It's designed for that kind of thing, 395 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: but it needs fifty seconds above water to transmit to 396 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: the satellite. So they think this thing hits so fast 397 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: that that beacon might have just gone right down underwater 398 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: and not been able to transmit in that fifty seconds. 399 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: So it's an explanation that the plane came apart in 400 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: the Southern Indian Ocean. Didn't just crash in the Southern 401 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: Indian Ocean. It came into a million pieces in the 402 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: Southern Indian Ocean. 403 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, we mentioned the black boxes in 404 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: the previous episode. Obviously we don't have these black boxes. 405 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: They're down there with everything else. Haven't recovered anything like that, but. 406 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: They think that they probably wouldn't tell much of a 407 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: story anyway. 408 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 2: No, not unless there was some sort of final communications 409 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: or something. 410 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: That's what it would take. It would take whoever was 411 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: in charge of the plane at that time still talking 412 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: and explaining. And if you were the only person alive 413 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: on this plane, who would you be talking to. 414 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: Well, let's go ahead and talk about who this might be, 415 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: because all indications point that it was the captain of 416 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: the airplane himself, Captain Shaw. 417 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: Yep, Captain Zahariamad Shaw. 418 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: That's right. So the wreckage basically, I mean there's a 419 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: lot of clues. Again, we can't say anything for sure. 420 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 2: But no one ever cl you know, it's unlikely it 421 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 2: was terrorist, because one thing terrorists do, which is what 422 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 2: makes them terrorists, is claim responsibility. 423 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: They like to brag. 424 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 2: Well, so everyone knows who it was. No one did this, 425 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: no one even falsely did this, which happened. Sometimes the 426 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: same can be said for a kidnapping because there are 427 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: some theories about that that there were some important people 428 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: aboard that they wanted to disappear or something. 429 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: Right like, if you were kidnapping somebody, you want them 430 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: alive and they can't be alive if the planes and 431 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: a million pieces in the southern Indian Ocean. 432 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: That's right. And there were only two people on that 433 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: plane who knew and had the knowledge and access to 434 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: do this stuff, and that was Captain Shawn, first Officer Hamid. 435 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: Also, yeah, there's something really important to point out here too, Chuck. 436 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: There was no distress call and for if it was 437 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: a hijacking, between the time that Zahari said good night 438 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: Malaysian three seven zero and the transponder went off at 439 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: exactly the right time, right when it hit a ho 440 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: Chi Minh Air Traffic Controls jurisdiction, it would have taken 441 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: a minute for terrorists to make their way into the cockpit, 442 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: which was sealed with an electronic lock lot super bolted. 443 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: It would have taken less than a minute at a 444 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: precise moment in time for terrorists to take control of 445 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: the plane. That just would not have happened. 446 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 2: The idea that these two were working together is not 447 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 2: very plausible. The idea that it was First Officer Hamid 448 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: himself is not plausible because, like we said, this is 449 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: a greenhorn. He was just getting started in his career. 450 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: He was super happy to be to have this job, 451 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: this great job, flying the Pride of Malaysia. Nothing at 452 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 2: all points that he had anything to do with this. 453 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. And also it would have been much 454 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: harder for him to get Captain Shaw out of the cockpit. 455 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, like want you go take a bathroom break? Yeah, 456 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: would have been like I don't need to you. He's 457 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: like no, but seriously, go do it. I'm wondering how 458 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: Captain Shaw might have gotten him out. 459 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: So one thing languish. This is a well I will 460 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: keep going back to all day long. 461 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: The language. 462 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he said that Captain Shaw was known as 463 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: a somebody who wanted to know all the details of 464 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: what was going on, So it would have been very normal. 465 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 2: Go back and check on something exactly. 466 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been very normal. It would have 467 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: been very easy, and First Officer Hamid would have hopped, 468 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: dried up and gone right out of the cockpit, leaving 469 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: Shaw alone to lock the door, lock them out. 470 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: Yep. And that's all it took. 471 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: That's all it took. 472 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: So when you start, we said that the report from 473 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: the Malaysian police came back as a glowing report for Shaw. 474 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 2: When you start doing a little digging around, that's not 475 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: exactly the case. Before this plane disappeared. In the months before, 476 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 2: he had separated from his wife, he was living by himself. 477 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 2: Apparently was having an affair with a married woman. 478 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: I think a platonic affair, but a weird emotional affair. 479 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 480 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: I also involved her children that he was really into, right. 481 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: He was apparently was very big on social media. But 482 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: he did not leave like a Facebook post. 483 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: No suicide note, no suicide note. 484 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 2: No video. And he was on YouTube. He did diy 485 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: repair things on YouTube videos, which is pretty remarkable. Yeah. 486 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 2: But here's the big clue to me and everyone else 487 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: is that Microsoft has this flight simulator that's a lot 488 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: of fun. I don't know if you ever played around with. 489 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 1: One of those, not for many, many years. 490 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: It's a ton of fun. I've crashed tons of planes 491 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: because it's really hard, as it turns out, to fly 492 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: one of these. But he loved doing this. He loved 493 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 2: flying these. It was one of his hobby, was flying 494 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 2: this flight. Some so they were able to get into 495 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: the flights that he flew preceding this disappearance, and one 496 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: of them really closely matches the flight path of MH 497 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: three seventy right into the Indian Ocean. Some people might say, like, hey, listen, 498 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: that doesn't prove anything. But all the other flights that 499 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: he had played around with he took from takeoff to landing, 500 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: this is the only one where he jumped forward like 501 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 2: a podcast commercial. Don't say that he's skipping forward in 502 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: time on that flight alone to see how these fuel 503 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: calculations were going to play out and where this plane 504 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 2: would be when it ran out of fuel over the 505 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: Indian Ocean. Flights him over right, and that is so suspicious, 506 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 2: Like I mean, it's I know, you can speculate, but 507 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 2: it's almost open and shutcase when you hear. 508 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: That, it's so suspicious. I saw. One member of the 509 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: Independent group said that he left it as a bread crumb. 510 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: Oh interesting, you know that, like he wouldn't have learned 511 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: anything from Microsoft Flight simulator, which is, to a guy 512 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: in the seven seventy seven, basically a game. You know 513 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: that he was just basically leaving something behind. That was 514 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: That was one guy's interpretation in the Independent group. 515 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 2: Well, the very least he could say if I if 516 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: I'm here and I'm on this header and I put 517 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 2: it on autopilot, who knows, he may have killed himself. Yeah, 518 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: he may have wanted that thing to fly into the 519 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: ocean for sure. 520 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: So the the idea is that Captain Sahari took control 521 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: of the plane by locking First Officer Mead out of 522 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: the cockpit, turned off the electrical system, took the seven 523 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: seventy seven in a hard turn, back tracking and probably 524 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: going up to about forty thousand feet at the same time, 525 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: accelerating the effects of depressuration depressurization in the cabin. 526 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, killing everyone on board. 527 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: Killing everyone on board, putting it on an autopilot, and 528 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: setting a course for the Southern Indian Ocean with a 529 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: plane full of dead people for a good six something hours. 530 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: He may have killed himself at some point. He may not. 531 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: He may there's some data that suggests that the plane 532 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: running out of fuel and dropping from the sky would 533 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: not have hit the ocean as hard as the record 534 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: suggests that it hit, and that it might have taken 535 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: somebody driving the plane into the ocean. So he may 536 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: have been alive to the very bitter end. And if 537 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: he was a seven to seventy seven pilot dying by 538 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: crashing a plane in the ocean, I'm betting that he 539 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't have killed himself before the crash. It just doesn't 540 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: seem right. But the idea is that he killed his 541 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: passengers and then killed himself by crashing this plane into 542 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: the Southern Indian Ocean. And this like the mind recoils 543 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: from that idea. But the problem is it's happened before. 544 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: Pilots have killed their passengers and these four times, yes, 545 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: multiple times in the history of air travel. 546 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and here's the other final clue, which to me 547 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: is kind of the cherry on top. Is that? 548 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: Really I found this one tough toes? 549 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: Oh really? 550 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 551 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 2: Oh I didn't think so, because we mentioned earlier he 552 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: took a very deliberate path to do a little fly 553 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: by a Penang island that was out of the way, 554 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 2: and he grew up on Panang Island. And I don't know, man, 555 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,479 Speaker 2: I don't think that was it. I don't think that 556 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: was an accident. I think a final little fly by, 557 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: I mean. 558 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: I could see it. Sure. To me, it's the simulator. Well, 559 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: it's like a smoking gun, those things to me. So 560 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: we were saying that people have done this before. 561 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, German Wings flight ninety five twenty five, I 562 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 2: remember that one lam Mozambique four seventy, egypt Air nine 563 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: ninety and. 564 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: That's another marish article you should read. 565 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: I'm not reading any of these. 566 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: You got it, man, he's so good, chuck. 567 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: Than Silk Air flight at one eighty five. They murdered 568 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: everyone on board. 569 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: Ye, Like there's no other way to take your own life. Yeah, 570 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: there's so many other ways to take your own life 571 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: that don't involve the innocent lives of your passengers. That 572 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: this is one of the most despicable things you can 573 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: possibly do. 574 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And so in response, a lot of as suicide bomber. 575 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: Sure, you know a lot of people say there's no 576 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: way he did this, including his family. They are like, no, 577 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: this guy did not do that. He was a nice guy. 578 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: He wouldn't kill a bunch of people. But if you 579 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: follow the evidence, and again, nobody can say for certain 580 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: and probably no one will ever be able to say 581 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: that it was Captain Shaw that did this. But if 582 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: you follow the evidence and you form your own opinion, 583 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: there's there's a pretty it's it's pretty convincing that he did. 584 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: But a lot of people say, no, no way, And 585 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: because they've not been able to explain what happened, it's 586 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: formed this vacuum that's being filled by conspiracy theories. And 587 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. 588 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll take our last break here and we 589 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: will we're not going to go too deep into those, 590 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 2: but we will kind of rattle off some of the 591 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: leading ones right after this. 592 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: And Chuck before we you know, rattle off some of 593 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: these these conspiracy theories. I want to say, because we 594 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: can't explain this, nobody can say that it was Captain Shaw. Sure, 595 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: there are some things you can say. It's not like 596 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't an accident, it wasn't there was it wasn't 597 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, terrorists or anything like that. Yeah, but you 598 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: can't say definitively that yes, it was Captain Shaw. And 599 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: if this floats your boat, this is a there's a 600 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: whole rabbit hole for you to dive down with MH 601 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: three seventy. And there's a lot of other interpretations, but 602 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: this seems to be, among air disaster experts the likeliest explanation. 603 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, we are not saying, to be clear that it 604 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: was Captain Shaw. 605 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: Nobody can say that it was. 606 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just sort of following Okham's razor here in 607 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: the findings of experts like you said that. It just 608 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: it's the cleanest explanation there is. Yeah, all right, Well 609 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: some things that aren't so clean. Should we go over 610 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 2: some of these? This was compiled by the Week dot 611 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 2: co dot UK The Week. I didn't see, Yeah, I 612 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 2: didn't see any authorship though on this one. 613 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe they're like the economists and they don't it's 614 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: all the economists speaking. It's all the Week speaking, you know, 615 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: I mean. 616 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: Exactly, they're collective. So let me see here. One of 617 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 2: these is that Captain Shaw parachuted out of the plane 618 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 2: to meet that woman on a boat. 619 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: Totally unnecessary because he and his wife had already separated. Yeah, 620 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: he was living alone. 621 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: That's right, But that was actually written by a journalist 622 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,479 Speaker 2: in a book called The Hunt for MH three seventy 623 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 2: by e An Higgins. Okay, what else? This one is 624 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: interesting that it was cyber hijacked. This is in another 625 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: book called Beneath Another Sky colon A Global Journey into History, 626 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 2: And this is the suggestion that Boeing's Honeywell uninterruptible autopilot 627 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 2: onboard computer was hacked and reprogrammed. Yeah, there's the on 628 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: the ground. 629 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: That ties into another one that the CIA got their 630 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 1: hands on the plane remotely. But I don't know that 631 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: it's true, but there's a definite thread through conspiracy minded 632 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: groups that after nine to eleven, they have engineered some 633 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: sort of mechanism onto airliners so that they can be 634 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: remotely controlled in case they are hijacked, so nobody can 635 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: fly something into the world traitson or anything like that. Again, 636 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 1: makes sense, It does make sense. It makes so much 637 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: sense that I'm like, wait, did they actually do that? 638 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: But that's the that's like step one to that conspiracy theory. 639 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 1: Step one is that that's that exists, and then step 640 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: two is that somebody used it to vanish MH three seventy. 641 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, what else Asian Bermuda triangle? 642 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: No? Yeah, should we just that's all you need to say. 643 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 2: Well, this one, I thought it was funny because it 644 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: said that when you look at where it crashed, it's 645 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 2: the exact opposite of the Bermuda triangle on the other 646 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 2: side of the globe. And then I guess someone just looked, 647 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 2: They're like, no, it's actually not right, So go that down. 648 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: The two maybe in the general neighborhood, but definitely not 649 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: on the air. 650 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: And also there's no Bermuda triangle. 651 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a big, big issue with that. 652 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 2: What do you got? 653 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 1: Another one is that that it was used as MH seventeen. 654 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: Remember I said that twenty fourteen was a terrible year 655 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: for Malaysian airlines. And the idea is that they hijacked 656 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: They meaning probably the CIA or the US government or 657 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: some shadowy cabal, hijacked MH three seventy, safely landed it 658 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: in some at Diego GARCIA air base or somewhere under 659 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: US control, killed everybody, or maybe they were dead from 660 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: hypoxia to begin with. Anyway, put them in freezers, and 661 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: then stage this changed the call sign from a zero 662 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: or from an O to a D on the plane 663 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: easy enough, and then used it to be shot down 664 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: over Ukraine. And supposedly there's reports from Ukrainian journalists and 665 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: humanitarian workers and even Ukrainian rebels saying that the corpses 666 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: that fell from this shot down plane I'm seventeen over 667 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: Ukraine were already decomposing and rotting as if they died 668 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: weeks before. I've not found anybody who actually said that 669 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: or anything like that. But that's the whole thing, is 670 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: that it was a big false flag operation. Okay, but 671 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: isn't it nuts that, Like, if you can't explain something 672 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: like a disappeared airliner, people go onto the internet and 673 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: write books and say here's what really happened, and that 674 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: it's this. Yeah, think about the level of distrust we 675 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: have for the people running the show that this has 676 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: an audience, Like, I do not blame anybody who believes 677 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: stuff like this because we've been lied to for so 678 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: long that you can buy this. You know that some 679 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: government agency would hijack a plane, kill everybody and then 680 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: use it to pin it on, you know, putin controlled 681 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 1: Ukrainian forces. 682 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 2: Come on, Yeah, it was Hunter Biden, right, So here's 683 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 2: another one that I thought was interesting and not I'm 684 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 2: saying it's interesting, is like, could it be? But if 685 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 2: you go to look at passengers on an airplane and 686 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 2: try and find a thread, you might want to look 687 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 2: at the fact that there are twenty people that worked 688 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 2: for a company. Oh yeah, all on board called Free 689 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 2: Scale Semiconductor. So I hear that, and I think, well, 690 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 2: we should at least look into this. Is there any 691 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 2: reason someone would want to tank this company or tank 692 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 2: twenty people that worked important people that work for this company, 693 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 2: And the theory is that they might have been killed 694 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 2: by a plane crash, either for secret technology or to 695 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 2: manipulate stock prices. 696 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: Right, And apparently that company helped the NSA or the 697 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: CIA or the US government in general create some of 698 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: its PRISM program surveillance technology, so they were supposedly already 699 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: in cahoots with shadowy agencies within the US government to 700 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 1: begin with. And since this plane was headed to Beijing, China, 701 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: perhaps this company was going over to work with China 702 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: now and the CIA didn't like that, so they did 703 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: this pretty interesting, as you said, interesting. 704 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah, And then there are 705 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 2: other various ones from life insurance scams, to false flag hijackings, 706 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 2: to alien abductions. Apparently five percent of Americans surveyed believe 707 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 2: it was abducted by aliens. 708 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: Believe Image three seventy was abducted by aliens. I saw that, 709 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: and my brain wouldn't accept that. I think I just 710 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: saw it as five percent of Americans believe in alien abductions. 711 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 2: No, I think that. 712 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: I can't hear what you're about. 713 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 2: It's just something dumb service. 714 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: Okay, you got anything else? No, Well, if you want 715 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: to know more about Image three seventy, friend, meet your 716 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: new hobby because it is all over the internet and 717 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: you can follow whatever thread you like. And since I 718 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: said that, it's time for listener mail. 719 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 2: This one's a bit long, but boy is it a 720 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 2: good one and super important one for this gentleman and 721 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 2: his family. Hey guys, my name's Tyler. I live in Michigan. 722 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 2: Got a story for you. The Sunday before Thanksgiving, my 723 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 2: family and I woke up and I went around business 724 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 2: as usual. I was playing a video game with my 725 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 2: two boys, and my wife said she was going out 726 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,479 Speaker 2: to the garage to get something and walked at the door. 727 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 2: After about ten minutes, my neighbor banged on the door. 728 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 2: I opened it to see my next door neighbor pointing 729 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 2: at my wife laying motionless on the ground in front 730 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 2: of my car. Full on, panic mode set in. I 731 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 2: ran the ten feet or so to find her not breathing, 732 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 2: fingers and face already blew, and my neighbor started calling 733 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 2: nine to one one. Luckily, I remembered some advice from 734 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 2: your CPR episode, not only how much pressure to apply 735 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 2: to the sternum, which is a lot, but the rhythm, 736 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 2: and I began to staying alive that is so great 737 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 2: by the beg's in my head as I did the 738 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 2: chest compressions. Trying to sing along while my adrenaline was 739 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 2: pumping was not easy, but I did my best to 740 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 2: stay calm and keep singing that part the song in 741 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 2: my head. The colors started coming back to her face 742 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 2: a little bit after I started the EMTs and police 743 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 2: were at my house within five minutes and used the 744 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 2: I always missed that word up defibrillator on her three times, 745 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 2: gave her three shots of epinephrine before they finally got 746 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 2: her heart beating again. Her brain went without blood for 747 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 2: twenty minutes, though, and as a result, she's been diagnosed 748 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 2: with brain damage. She's got a long road to recovery 749 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 2: ahead of her, but the doctors think she has a 750 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 2: good chance because of her age. Her heart had a 751 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 2: severe rhythmia that ultimately calls cardiac arrest. I'm doing the 752 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 2: best I can for her and my kids while she heals. 753 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 2: I'm the primary provider for my family while my wife 754 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 2: was a primary caregiver. Having to take off work and 755 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 2: take care of my kids. It has been really scary, 756 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 2: but I've gotten tremendous support from friends and family here 757 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 2: in my time of need. So i just want to 758 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 2: thank you guys for the work you do. Without your podcast, 759 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 2: I likely would have been burying my wife instead of 760 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 2: visiting her in the hospital. Right this is like Christmas 761 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 2: time too. 762 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: Chuck, I wasn't prepared for this one. You could have 763 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: given me like sorry, stuff me in the hand with 764 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,320 Speaker 1: the needle or something first. 765 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 2: Sincerely, thank you both so much. That is from Tyler Elliott. 766 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 2: He said, if you guys read this on the show, 767 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 2: could you shout out my best friend justin Sure. He 768 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 2: got me into the show back in the day and 769 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 2: has been there for me and my family every step 770 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 2: of the way. 771 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: So Justin is the one who should be thanked. 772 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 2: Really, It all in a weird way comes back to 773 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 2: Justin Man. 774 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: What is his name again? 775 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 2: Tyler Elliott? And I hope your wife is recovering. 776 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, same here, Tyler. 777 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 2: Best of luck to you man. That's a quite a 778 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 2: herring experience. 779 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: Not only are we thinking of you, but everybody listening 780 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: to this podcast right now is thinking about you too. 781 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 2: That's right, sending out the best vibes into the universe. 782 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 1: Greed. Wow. Well, if you want to try to top 783 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: Tyler's email best of luck, good luck, you can go 784 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: on to stuff you Should know dot com and check 785 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: out our social links there, and you can also send 786 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: us an email yourself to stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com. 787 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 2: Stuff you Should is a production of iHeartRadio. 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