Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number seventy of the Marine Layer Podcast.
Speaker 1: It's our mailbag episode. We'll answer some listeners submitted questions.
Speaker 1: The Rangers win the World series will wrap up our
Speaker 1: World series talk, and the hot stove is already cooking
Speaker 1: for Jerry to Poto Shocker. First day of the offseason.
Speaker 1: He's already made a trade. We'll discuss that.
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Speaker 3: Rolling and we welcome you to this episode of the
Speaker 3: Marine Layer podcast, part of the Just Baseball Podcast network,
Speaker 3: recording here on Thursday afternoon, November second, and the Texas
Speaker 3: Rangers are World Series champions.
Speaker 2: Big sigh, major major side. This team really went from
Speaker 2: sixty eight wins to World champions in one year. So
Speaker 2: what the Mariners have spent years trying to do Rangers
Speaker 2: did in one season.
Speaker 1: Well, two seasons, but I mean yeah, in building, I
Speaker 1: think two seasons. But you're right. They did win sixty
Speaker 1: eight games last season. The Mariners thoroughly dominated the Rangers
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, and in twenty twenty three, it's
Speaker 1: a different story. Their free agent signings hit all the boxes.
Speaker 1: They knocked it out of the park. Their young players
Speaker 1: played as well as young players have played across the league.
Speaker 1: Evan Carter is a future star in this league. At
Speaker 1: just twenty one years of age, he was one of
Speaker 1: the best players on their roster, one of the youngest
Speaker 1: cleanup hitters ever on a World Series team. That was him.
Speaker 1: And in the end, the Rangers' weaknesses didn't rear their heads.
Speaker 1: They got hot. Everyone played well at the same time.
Speaker 1: And then on the other side, the Arizona Diamondbacks in
Speaker 1: the World Series looked like an eighty four win team.
Speaker 1: That's my conclusion from that.
Speaker 2: I just don't even want to be sitting here talking
Speaker 2: about the Rangers. I just want to ignore it and
Speaker 2: move on, which is why. Hey, the second dep final
Speaker 2: out was recorded last night. What did I tweet out? Well,
Speaker 2: it's offseason time, with a picture of Julio and show hey,
Speaker 2: both in Mariner's gear.
Speaker 1: People took well to it, too.
Speaker 2: Well, I would hope. So we got to arguably the
Speaker 2: greatest player of all time hitting free agency, are arguably
Speaker 2: the best free agent ever. I'd hope people would take
Speaker 2: kindly to it, except for the few people that somehow
Speaker 2: exist out there that say I don't want him, Like,
Speaker 2: wake up people.
Speaker 1: Oh, we've just been sitting here and complaining about a
Speaker 1: lack of talent on the roster, lack of outside edition,
Speaker 1: and when the best possible option comes available, it's like,
Speaker 1: eh them, I'm good. No, that's good.
Speaker 2: That's false that like takes are objectively opinionated. No, that
Speaker 2: is a incorrect take.
Speaker 1: My biggest takeaway from this World Series overall. While though
Speaker 1: while the Rangers celebrated a real championship yesterday, winning the
Speaker 1: World Series in five games, I'd say the real champion
Speaker 1: of this week are the teams that have their twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six pay roll in order, and that bottom line
Speaker 1: looks really good.
Speaker 2: I did laugh at the tweet that was put out
Speaker 2: last night after the World Series that said world series,
Speaker 2: winning a World Series and those memories are probably just
Speaker 2: a step below of acquiring club controllable players that are
Speaker 2: all mediocre to put on your roster for the next decade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pretty much. And another highlight from yesterday is
Speaker 1: after Corey Seger wins the World Series MVP, some reporter
Speaker 1: decides that he's just gonna ask him why the Dodgers
Speaker 1: didn't resign him into which Cory Zeger is like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. And in the end, I got three hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five million dollars that now have a chance
Speaker 1: a ring on my finger.
Speaker 2: What did that reporter expect him to say? Do you
Speaker 2: think he was gonna leak details about his free agency
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago? Of course not.
Speaker 1: The context of the question was worse. It's like, people
Speaker 1: keep texting me this all the time, so I just
Speaker 1: have to ask it. It's like, no, you don't, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Let me just make this all about me. You could
Speaker 2: see Corey Seger turn to the PR person and gave
Speaker 2: him the eyes. It's like, can we move on to
Speaker 2: the next question, which I don't blame him. Hey, did
Speaker 2: you hear, by the way, with the Rangers winning the
Speaker 2: World Series, there's now only five teams to never make it.
Speaker 2: I say that as if we didn't just talk about
Speaker 2: that on the last show before they actually won the
Speaker 2: World Series. But those graphics were everywhere on Wednesday night
Speaker 2: after they won. It's like, well, there's only five teams
Speaker 2: now that have never won the World Series, and you
Speaker 2: know who one of them is. It's the same team
Speaker 2: that's the only franchise to never make a World Series.
Speaker 1: And there's only one franchise left in the American League
Speaker 1: West who's never won one either. The list shrinks. That
Speaker 1: was the first reaction I said. I think I texted
Speaker 1: it to you, and I texted it to my family
Speaker 1: or family group chat. That was the first thing I
Speaker 1: sent after the Rangers clinched. It wasn't let's get it
Speaker 1: rolling in the off season. It's not a come here show. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's not a congrats to the Rangers. It's nope, the
Speaker 1: list shrinks. It's my only takeaway.
Speaker 2: I was not a happy camper when the Nationals made
Speaker 2: the World Series back in twenty nineteen, because it was
Speaker 2: just such a level of embarrassment to be an m'stan.
Speaker 2: And that was the point where they were right in
Speaker 2: the early stages of that rebuild too. They had the
Speaker 2: awful season in twenty nineteen. It was a boring roster
Speaker 2: there were again, it was like the bare bone stages
Speaker 2: of that rebuild. And then, oh, by the way, the
Speaker 2: Nationals not only make the World Series but win it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, wow, this is this is insufferable.
Speaker 1: What would be the worst case scenario for the next
Speaker 1: team to win it? I think we said it already
Speaker 1: is the Rockies, right, I think the if the Rockies
Speaker 1: won a World Series that would probably be that would
Speaker 1: so that would that would make you the only team
Speaker 1: who's never won a World Series game in your franchise
Speaker 1: history like that, that would probably be the next worst.
Speaker 2: It would absolutely be the Rockies in terms of worst
Speaker 2: case scenario because the other three teams, the Padres, Rays
Speaker 2: and Brewers, they're all mostly in contentions, so it's not
Speaker 2: like it'd be some utter shock if one of those
Speaker 2: teams won or if the Rockies won, considering the stage
Speaker 2: that they're at right now, Ugh, that'd be really bad overall.
Speaker 1: Congrats to the Rangers. But with the Rangers winning yesterday
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, that means the offseason started as of today.
Speaker 1: And did we think Jerry Depota was gonna sit out
Speaker 1: for for an entire day of the offseason. Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Jerry has already swung a trade. Everyone's going to be
Speaker 1: just thrilled for this, over the moon excited he swapped.
Speaker 1: He acquired Cody Bolton, a reliever from the Pirates, for
Speaker 1: cash considerations. Did you jump out of jump out of
Speaker 1: your seat when you saw this?
Speaker 2: What did I tweet last night after the Rangers won
Speaker 2: the World Series? Or Wednesday night when you're listening to this,
Speaker 2: I tweeted, you know we're gonna wake up on Thursday
Speaker 2: and Jerry will have made a trade. Well, we didn't
Speaker 2: quite wake up, but on Thursday afternoon he made a trade,
Speaker 2: which I just pictured Jerry Depoto watching that World Series
Speaker 2: and seeing the Rangers win, immediately turning to the clock
Speaker 2: as if he's waiting to watch the ball drop in
Speaker 2: times Square on New Year's Eve, It's like ten nine
Speaker 2: eight seven, and then the like and then the clock
Speaker 2: hit zero, except instead of celebrating with everybody around him,
Speaker 2: then the scene immediately changes to the Wolf of Wall
Speaker 2: Street and you see the scene with everybody on the phone,
Speaker 2: cold calling, just losing their minds. You see Jerry as
Speaker 2: like the head man, the Jordan Belferd. He's ordering all
Speaker 2: his minions, like you call this team, you call this team,
Speaker 2: you call this Team's like we're making a trade today,
Speaker 2: and they made a trade today. Just just this man
Speaker 2: can't help himself, he really can. It's like day one
Speaker 2: that he can possibly make trades again. He makes a.
Speaker 1: Trade and Bolton fits the he fits the reliever mold
Speaker 1: because you see his stats. What's he's got a career
Speaker 1: seven ERA and what twenty five innings? That's what it is.
Speaker 2: He has a six three three ERA and twenty one
Speaker 2: and a third career innings pitched.
Speaker 1: Huh. So Jerry sees that. And when Jerry acquires a
Speaker 1: player like that, it's not that dissimilar to Justin Topa
Speaker 1: or Gabe Spier of last season. And you see that
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, so I can already picture Cody
Speaker 1: Bolton fifty innings about a two six ERA a twenty
Speaker 1: seven percent strikeout rate, a walk rate of about seven
Speaker 1: percent in a nasty slider, which, by the way, if
Speaker 1: we're talking about actual plus things about Cody Bolton, we've
Speaker 1: talked about the stuff plus metric from fan grabs his
Speaker 1: stuff plus on his sweepers on d and twenty eight.
Speaker 1: That's a very good pitch with good wift rates and
Speaker 1: good hard hit rates against that pitch as well. I
Speaker 1: think Jerry had had that one circled. He knew what
Speaker 1: he wanted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so one twenty eight. That's for those who don't know.
Speaker 2: Stuff plus is measured the same way as the stats
Speaker 2: like WRC plus, r ERA plus, where it's on a
Speaker 2: one hundred scale. So by his sweeper metrics, the stuff
Speaker 2: of it is twenty eight percent above league average. So
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's what stands out to him. They say, oh,
Speaker 2: right handed reliever with a good sweeper, we can work
Speaker 2: with that. We've only had one to ten, fifteen to
Speaker 2: twenty guys in the last three years have good sweepers
Speaker 2: and work out in our bullpen, so he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: why not add another? So Cody Bolton could be a
Speaker 2: nothing burger. He could just hang out in triple A
Speaker 2: all year, or he could be the next Justin Topa
Speaker 2: for all we know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's going to get some major league time.
Speaker 1: He's going to be on the forty man roster, and
Speaker 1: they've cycled through some relievers, and they're going to have
Speaker 1: a couple of open bullpen spots next year, at least
Speaker 1: spots that will be competed for. We imagine Perlander Burrow
Speaker 1: is going to grab a spot for next season. Still
Speaker 1: don't know why he wasn't there at the end of
Speaker 1: the season, but regardless, and I would imagine Cody Bolton
Speaker 1: wons spring training, rolls around with his stuff, We'll get
Speaker 1: a chance to showcase his short term availability in the
Speaker 1: bullpen and see how much that stuff really ticks up
Speaker 1: in that bullpen. Overall, though, this trade is, you know,
Speaker 1: filling out the forty man roster. The Mariners did shed
Speaker 1: some forty man guys earlier this week as they were
Speaker 1: getting ready for as they were getting ready for this offseason,
Speaker 1: and for all those sixty day IL guys. Once this
Speaker 1: offseason starts, you got to put him back on the
Speaker 1: forty man roster because the season's over officially, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to clear some spots for that and clear
Speaker 1: up some spots for guys that you're going to go
Speaker 1: out and acchoir like Bolton did. Right now, I will
Speaker 1: say I did think that this is a Seahawks deep cut.
Speaker 1: I thought they traded for Cody Barton for a second.
Speaker 1: I was really really confused. But I think Cody Bolton
Speaker 1: might be actually might be a little bit better than
Speaker 1: Cody Barton.
Speaker 2: You whin did Cody Barton learn to throw ninety five
Speaker 2: miles an hour?
Speaker 1: Well, maybe you would have played linebacker a little bit
Speaker 1: better if he could throw that hard, more more natural athleticism. Uh.
Speaker 2: There we go. So if you want to already play
Speaker 2: it out, if you're a fan trying to think about
Speaker 2: the bullpen for twenty twenty four in your head, A
Speaker 2: lot can change between now an opening day, of course,
Speaker 2: But as it sits right now, there's six guys that
Speaker 2: are all but guaranteed to have a spot. Munno's Brash
Speaker 2: topa Spire Sasado, Isaiah Campbell. We assume Prelander Bureau would
Speaker 2: get one of the spots. So that's seven, and as
Speaker 2: we now sit again as of today, a lot can change,
Speaker 2: but it would probably be Cody Bolton Caleb Ord, who
Speaker 2: they also picked up a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 2: Edward Bizardo who would probably fight for that last spot.
Speaker 2: So that's where it stands right now.
Speaker 1: And a lot of changes the season goes along, and
Speaker 1: a lot of change as we get to spring training,
Speaker 1: and guys are in varying levels of health, but very
Speaker 1: on brand for Jerry to Poto to make a move,
Speaker 1: make a move like this so quickly, so good for Jerry.
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Speaker 1: bag episode we have done, and we definitely got some
Speaker 1: some very interesting questions. So let's kick it off with
Speaker 1: our first question in our mail bag. Up first from Sean,
Speaker 1: who would you want to trade for that's not Juan Soto?
Speaker 1: And he adds, after this question, I'd be willing to
Speaker 1: part with Bryce Miller and Emerson Hancock over Brian Wu.
Speaker 2: I think the latter half of that statement is probably everybody.
Speaker 2: I think everybody probably realizes of those three guys, the
Speaker 2: guy with the highest ceiling is, no doubt, Brian Wu.
Speaker 2: But he also may be what it costs to get
Speaker 2: true impact bat back, a true ImpACTA back. There we
Speaker 2: go in terms of guys they could trade for. If
Speaker 2: we're talking about real impact guys, well, you know I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say right, say it please.
Speaker 1: Robert, Yeah, just Brian Wu and Gabby Gonzalez.
Speaker 2: We're all the white Sox fans. You're gonna come at
Speaker 2: me you're gonna try to throw some punches, you gonna
Speaker 2: you're gonna call us morons for our takes. Again, we're
Speaker 2: sitting right here, let us know no. But in all seriousness,
Speaker 2: the reason we threw out the Louise Robert trade, and
Speaker 2: I still stand by it, is there's not that many
Speaker 2: star bats out there that would probably even be floated
Speaker 2: out there this winter. He's one of the few that
Speaker 2: might even have a chance. So if that's the type
Speaker 2: of player you're talking about, there's not that many. If
Speaker 2: you're talking about a step below that, well then we
Speaker 2: could get into that here a little bit. There's some
Speaker 2: guys on the next level down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brendan Donovan, Lars Newbar, a couple of the Cardinals guys,
Speaker 1: and we constantly have conversation about the Mariners trading for
Speaker 1: one of the Oriole's younger bats. But in terms of
Speaker 1: proven guys out there, you're right. It's that's why everyone
Speaker 1: starts at Juan Sota because true impact is him, Like,
Speaker 1: that's that is it, and Luis Robert would be it
Speaker 1: too if those guys end up being available, And you
Speaker 1: know what, I wasn't totally sold Jan Soda would be available.
Speaker 1: But the news that came out about the Padres this week.
Speaker 1: They actually had to take out a fifty million dollars
Speaker 1: loan in September to help finance things like payroll at
Speaker 1: the end of the season, because even with all their
Speaker 1: sellouts and their TV deal, they weren't making enough money
Speaker 1: to pay all their players, which I thought was very, very,
Speaker 1: very fascinating. So like they do need some salary relief,
Speaker 1: and Juan Soto off the books would would definitely be that,
Speaker 1: but not in Soto. I think those are the three
Speaker 1: tiers would think of it. It's like Luis Robert Cardinals
Speaker 1: guys where that dialogu's already existed, and then the Orioles
Speaker 1: because they have such a surplus. Unless someone has a
Speaker 1: better idea for us, those seem like the most obvious options.
Speaker 2: Brendan Donovan would make a lot of sense. He can
Speaker 2: play a couple of infield spots. He is more proven
Speaker 2: than some of the other guys that have been floated
Speaker 2: out there in trades where he's had a couple of
Speaker 2: seasons where he has proven that he can hit above
Speaker 2: average or well above average at the big league level.
Speaker 2: I guess I wouldn't say well above average but he
Speaker 2: is a good big league hitter already, and he's young,
Speaker 2: he's club controllable. I throw one more crazy idea out there.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: This is much more in the Louisse Robert category. And
Speaker 2: I can't take credit for this. So I was listening
Speaker 2: to Extra Innings, which is Ryan Divish's podcast he has
Speaker 2: with Larry Stone Madam Jude. They had our friend Jordan
Speaker 2: Schusterman on from Cesspa to Stanley Barbecue, and Jordan was
Speaker 2: not saying this is gonna happen, but he was saying
Speaker 2: more along the lines of what we're saying is throwing
Speaker 2: some crazy ideas out there, like just what if? Just
Speaker 2: what if? In this crazy universe? The Blue Jays ever
Speaker 2: thinking about move on? Let me try that again. Would
Speaker 2: the Blue Jays ever think about moving on from Bladdie Junior?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Like what inclination? Have they given
Speaker 1: any signs that they would not?
Speaker 2: Externally? But he's about to hit arbitration. He doesn't play
Speaker 2: much defense. He didn't have a great year this year.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like, probably not right. So again, we're
Speaker 2: throwing crazy ideas out here. That's what I'll say.
Speaker 1: That is a crazy idea, absolutely I don't know if
Speaker 1: that would be the most surprising thing in the world, though,
Speaker 1: I'll say that. I'll say that at least seeing some
Speaker 1: like response from the fans that aren't too happy with
Speaker 1: how Vlattie is turned out, especially as a hitter. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're actually trying to think of this in a
Speaker 1: baseball sense, would it allow as you as a Mariner fan,
Speaker 1: would it make sense that Vladdie is his offense has
Speaker 1: regressed significantly since that twenty amazing twenty twenty one season
Speaker 1: he'd have. Would it make sense that he all of
Speaker 1: a sudden finds it in the least hitter friendly ballpark
Speaker 1: in baseball.
Speaker 2: I would be banking on that twenty twenty three was
Speaker 2: a down year for him, and his normal offensive production
Speaker 2: would be somewhere between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: So like about what he did in twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: is what I assume Laddie would be. For the most part,
Speaker 2: his WRC plus was about one thirty in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to put up a one sixty like
Speaker 2: he did in twenty one, but one thirty, and as
Speaker 2: we know OPS plus WRC plus those are park adjusted numbers.
Speaker 2: So if he came to Seattle, I would I would
Speaker 2: more than take one twenty five one thirty WRC plus
Speaker 2: out of Laddie. And they need first base help. There's
Speaker 2: no doubt about that. Obviously. I like, we all like
Speaker 2: Tyler Locklayer, and we can dream on what he would be.
Speaker 2: But we're talking about what is objectively an unproven commodity
Speaker 2: versus a guy that is a three time all start.
Speaker 1: What would that cost that was? So that would cost locklearer,
Speaker 1: that will cost WU at least that'll cost Harry Ford
Speaker 1: mm hmm. And I'm probably gonna have to add one
Speaker 1: more blue chip for three years of Laddie. I was three.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say those three because you get
Speaker 2: six years of WU, you get a rookie Harry Ford
Speaker 2: in every debuts, and then yeah, Locklayers a first baseman.
Speaker 2: But you're right, maybe I.
Speaker 1: Still think it probably takes one more.
Speaker 2: Would you have to throw Kalnick in that package?
Speaker 1: Maybe?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: A big LEAGUERU. Yeah. I don't know if there are
Speaker 1: any Blue Jays fans or people know any Blue Jays fans,
Speaker 1: please send this trade proposal and see if it would
Speaker 1: make sense. So that would be wu Ford, kell Nick
Speaker 1: and who will still I throw in that lock and Locklear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they have their first basement of the future as
Speaker 1: well in theory. Yeah, it could cost more than that because,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned three time all stories, not even is
Speaker 1: he twenty four yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's closer to twenty five than he is
Speaker 2: twenty four, but he is still twenty four years of.
Speaker 1: Age, right, He's still young. He's still got probably the
Speaker 1: best years of his career ahead of him. And man,
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. That would make a
Speaker 1: lot of sense if he was available. Now, the question
Speaker 1: is if the Blue Jays believe he's going to turn
Speaker 1: it around, he's not available, because that's a pretty valuable
Speaker 1: commodity to have on your team.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, and we're not saying this is happening, but
Speaker 2: we're throwing out crazy ideas. Again credit to our friend
Speaker 2: Jordan Schusterman who threw this out there. So we're just
Speaker 2: banking off what he talked about and kind of diving
Speaker 2: in a little bit further. And if you want to
Speaker 2: hear him talk about it, it's on the Extra Ending
Speaker 2: podcast with Ryan Divish, another friend of the program. But yeah,
Speaker 2: like this is like a one percent chance of happening.
Speaker 2: So we're just we're just throwing crazy ideas out there.
Speaker 2: If you're talking about what impact bats could be out
Speaker 2: there that you can trade for, talked about Robert, Now
Speaker 2: we're talking about Vladdie players like that, you would have
Speaker 2: to get very very creative and you would have to
Speaker 2: give up a lot in a trade package, obviously, like
Speaker 2: what would make the most sense and a trade it
Speaker 2: if this question from Sean is like, who's a realistic
Speaker 2: trade package that's not Juan Soto? Yeah, I think somebody
Speaker 2: like Brendon Donovan would make a lot of sense. But
Speaker 2: if you're like the fact that Sean threw the name
Speaker 2: Won Soto in this package says to me that he's
Speaker 2: looking for guys like Juan Soto, Like who could be
Speaker 2: a crazy guy they trade for. So while it would
Speaker 2: be very very unlikely somebody like Laddie.
Speaker 1: And there's just there's not that many people else like
Speaker 1: those players are not available. There's like it's so rare
Speaker 1: that a Jan Soto is available and why it was
Speaker 1: so shocking he was traded the first time, let alone
Speaker 1: the second time. So if you have any good ideas,
Speaker 1: please hit her comments section, send us an email, leave
Speaker 1: us a voicemail whatever you can find. That all in
Speaker 1: the description of what you think a good idea for
Speaker 1: trade is. Even if it's crazy, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: And again, we got a lot of offseason to talk about.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of time to flesh out these trades.
Speaker 1: If you want us to talk about a trade, please
Speaker 1: let us know and we'll do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we may do more of these mailbag episodes throughout
Speaker 2: the winter if you guys enjoy them. Like, if you
Speaker 2: guys have questions you want to send us, and you
Speaker 2: have topics you want us to dive in on, We're
Speaker 2: more than happy to take your recommendations. Like TJ said,
Speaker 2: you got crazy trade ideas, send them to us because
Speaker 2: we're probably interested in them.
Speaker 1: We will take the flack from the opposing fan base
Speaker 1: for you. We'll do it well.
Speaker 2: We already made our rounds with White Sox Twitter. I
Speaker 2: never thought I'd get on some White Sox podcasts for
Speaker 2: throwing a trade out there, But shortly after we put
Speaker 2: out that TikTok there, I was sitting on pinwheels and
Speaker 2: ivy with with our friends over there, which ended up
Speaker 2: being a lot of fun. But hey, if we post
Speaker 2: this as a show clip. Let's see how many Blue
Speaker 2: Jays fans come for us. Is our good buddy Troy
Speaker 2: gonna see this?
Speaker 1: He might. Not only would you be pissed, I mean
Speaker 1: you would only be pissing off the like the south
Speaker 1: side of Chicago. You would be pissing off an entire country.
Speaker 1: Think about that. You would never be able to go
Speaker 1: to Canada again.
Speaker 2: For those who don't know the name Troy for what
Speaker 2: we're talking about, go to our Instagram or TikTok page.
Speaker 2: It was back in Whenever the Blue Jay Series was
Speaker 2: in July and we interviewed some Blue Jays fans about
Speaker 2: invading the ballpark. He's the first guy in the video
Speaker 2: who just loses his mind. It was the best fan
Speaker 2: interview we had all year. So that's who Troy is
Speaker 2: if you want the reference. Okay, Question number two this
Speaker 2: is from Alex A little bit more of a tame one,
Speaker 2: but still a very good question. He said, who will
Speaker 2: be the starting second baseman for the Mariners on opening Day?
Speaker 1: Josh Rojas?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be Josh Rojas. And I'm sure that there's
Speaker 2: some fans out there that want to see the Mariners
Speaker 2: go make a splash at second base and go either
Speaker 2: sign for somebody or trade for somebody big. One, second
Speaker 2: base isn't that loaded of a position. And two we
Speaker 2: talked about it, especially during the Mariners run in August
Speaker 2: when they were just ripping off wins. Josh rohas out
Speaker 2: of that spot. When he's playing at his best, he's
Speaker 2: really good. If they Let's put it like this, Josh
Speaker 2: Rojas being the nine hitter should in no way, shape
Speaker 2: or form kill the Mariners season next year. It should
Speaker 2: only help if they don't go get significant bats in
Speaker 2: the middle of the lineup. It's not on Josh Rojas
Speaker 2: to put up a one thirty five WRC plus, but
Speaker 2: if they go get the right bats in the heart
Speaker 2: of the order to really provide some power and thump
Speaker 2: in the lineup, Josh Rojas, when he's at his best
Speaker 2: out of the ninth spot's a really good hitter. So
Speaker 2: I'm more than happy with Josh Rojass playing second base
Speaker 2: out of the ninth spot.
Speaker 1: And we could sit here and dream about Marcus Simeon. Oh,
Speaker 1: just look off into the distance and think about what
Speaker 1: could have been, because there's only only Al Tuovey and
Speaker 1: Simeon and then the Grand Canyon, and then pretty much
Speaker 1: every other second basement in Major League Baseball. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be Josh Rojas. And Josh Rojas hits as a
Speaker 1: one to ten w RC plus and plays good defense
Speaker 1: at second base. That's usually an above average season for
Speaker 1: a second baseman. You cannot compare him to Marcus Simmy,
Speaker 1: and you can't do it. You can't compare him to
Speaker 1: Jose Altuve. That's not fair on him. The second base
Speaker 1: position just usually isn't quite that talented. Once they get
Speaker 1: into the meat of this season, I would bet some
Speaker 1: money that this would turn into a platoon with Ryan
Speaker 1: Bliss and Josh Rojas, and people would come on and
Speaker 1: complain again that the Mariners are rolling out another platoon,
Speaker 1: and well, I've gotten kind of tired of platoons. That's
Speaker 1: probably what's gonna happen, because the Mariners not only identified
Speaker 1: Josh Rojas as the guy they wanted from the Diamondbacks,
Speaker 1: but they also identified Ryan Bliss as well, and I
Speaker 1: think they want both those guys playing second base at
Speaker 1: the big league level next season.
Speaker 2: What do we say about platoons. A couple weeks ago,
Speaker 2: we are okay on platoon. We are okay with one. One.
Speaker 2: If Ryan Bliss keeps hitting in the minor leagues, which
Speaker 2: he's shown no reason for why he wouldn't, and then
Speaker 2: he gets called up to the big leagues, great, there's
Speaker 2: your platoon second base. It's Josh Rojas against righty's, it's
Speaker 2: Ryan Bliss against lefties. That's it. I'm okay with that
Speaker 2: one platoon, no more, no others. But if it's just one,
Speaker 2: I think that could be a productive position. In terms
Speaker 2: of the platoon, there's not like, unless you're trading for again,
Speaker 2: unless you're training for Brennan Donovan, who who are you
Speaker 2: trading for to go play second base? If that's like,
Speaker 2: that's not the case, Like I legitimately don't know, and
Speaker 2: there's nobody on the free agent market that's going to
Speaker 2: play second base, so it wouldn't make any sense. Again,
Speaker 2: I think people should appreciate what Josh Rojas did once
Speaker 2: he got to Seattle a lot more than they currently
Speaker 2: are doing. And I know it's the offseason. You want
Speaker 2: to see every position be filled with an all stars,
Speaker 2: so so do we, so does every fan base. But
Speaker 2: that's not how teams are built. That's not how any
Speaker 2: team's built. So If Josh Rojas hits ninth, like you said,
Speaker 2: puts up a one to ten WRC, plus plays solid defense,
Speaker 2: and puts up two and a half wins, that's a
Speaker 2: really good season and Mariners fan should be more than
Speaker 2: happy with that if that's what he does. So long
Speaker 2: answer to the question, I think it's Josh Rojas.
Speaker 1: Let's get to our third question from John, mentioning that
Speaker 1: the Orioles have the top ranked farm system with several
Speaker 1: prospects blocked at many positions, especially in the middle infield.
Speaker 1: Thoughts on a Miller trade to the Orioles for Heston Kurs,
Speaker 1: Dad and Connor Norby, And I like the and thrown
Speaker 1: in there if the Orioles want to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you're all in on this idea for
Speaker 2: two of them?
Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, so I will actually all I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: an asterisk there Mariners signed Blake Snell and pull off
Speaker 1: that trade.
Speaker 2: Okay, Sure, I guess the only reason I sigh a
Speaker 2: little bit is I like it's just time for them
Speaker 2: to get proven. That's right, If that's all that's out
Speaker 2: there in terms of a trade. Sure, because Heston Curse,
Speaker 2: Dad and Connor Norby are not proven. So if they're
Speaker 2: gonna go trade Bryce Miller somewhere, i'd rather see it
Speaker 2: be for somebody like Brendan Donovan, somebody that has proven
Speaker 2: they can hit as a big leaguer. That's just me.
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm a little bit like, eh like.
Speaker 2: I like the idea, and it would make sense, but
Speaker 2: it is yet another club controllable couple of players with
Speaker 2: some good upside, very good upside, but it's it's not
Speaker 2: proven talent that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is first on my list of trades,
Speaker 1: of course, but in this specific scenario, if you were
Speaker 1: asking me that the Orioles would do that for for
Speaker 1: Bryce Miller. By the way, let's remember Bryce Miller, he's
Speaker 1: proven but not proven. Do you catch my drift? Does
Speaker 1: that make sense?
Speaker 2: Sure? But people trade a lot for young starting pitching
Speaker 2: with club control.
Speaker 1: Right, you're right. But in a vacuum when I do
Speaker 1: this trade, yes I would, if we're just presenting it
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. Yes, is that number one on my list? No? No,
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 2: I'm going to contradict what I said a little bit
Speaker 2: here because I was talking about how I want to
Speaker 2: see the Mariner's trade for proven bats, which I do.
Speaker 2: But if we're still talking within the realm of this trade,
Speaker 2: could we upgrade it from Connor Norby to Kobe Mayo,
Speaker 2: then my interest would be peaked a little bit. Or
Speaker 2: is that too much?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not totally flush on the Orioles
Speaker 1: farm system, but.
Speaker 2: Mayo is definitely higher. Yeah, so that might be a stretch,
Speaker 2: and that might be asking for too much. I just
Speaker 2: I like Mayo, I guess a little bit better than
Speaker 2: I do Norby just in terms of that.
Speaker 1: But I would stay trading for Heston Kerstaed, so you
Speaker 1: would want to play him, and that would really create
Speaker 1: an interesting scenario in your outfield. I mean, you would
Speaker 1: have two unproven outfielders already in the corners in Jared
Speaker 1: Kelnick or not totally unproven, but you get what I'm
Speaker 1: saying with that, two guys who were not sold that
Speaker 1: are everyday starters yet in Jared Kilnick and Dominic Kansoon,
Speaker 1: and then Julio and Center. So now you add Kurshedaed
Speaker 1: to that group, you have three somewhat unprovens to totally
Speaker 1: unproven and Julio, which for a contending team is athletic controllable.
Speaker 1: Lot of upside, but a lot of risk as well.
Speaker 2: If they signed show Hey and Blake Snell first and
Speaker 2: then make this trade. Sure, great, But like you said,
Speaker 2: like we talked about with Jung Huli, like we talk
Speaker 2: about with lordus Guriel, I like the idea of this trade,
Speaker 2: and it's certainly a good idea that John threw out there,
Speaker 2: and it certainly might be one that gets discussed between
Speaker 2: the two clubs. But it cannot be the headline move
Speaker 2: of your off season. I think that's gonna be a
Speaker 2: theme we put out there a lot for a lot
Speaker 2: of the trades and free agent guys that we talk about.
Speaker 2: This winner that, oh, would be a nice move. Yeah,
Speaker 2: cannot be the headliner.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: Okay, fourth question here, Now we're getting juicy fourth questions
Speaker 2: from James. He says, what are the odds at the
Speaker 2: Mariner's landing Otani, Soto or Snell. Again, obviously they're not
Speaker 2: getting all three, but the odds of each individual player
Speaker 2: being a Seattle Mariner?
Speaker 1: Am I doing percentages?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Blake Snell, I'm gonna say fifty percent. I actually
Speaker 1: believe he actually wants I believe he wants to come home,
Speaker 1: and I think Davis said that he heard that Blake
Speaker 1: Snell wants to come home. It would make sense, It
Speaker 1: makes sense they Mariners would pay a picture. I don't
Speaker 1: think they'd have a problem with that. They've done it
Speaker 1: twice already in the last two years, and I don't
Speaker 1: think they'd have a problem doing it again for another
Speaker 1: proven guy, especially with the strategy that I'm sure Jerry
Speaker 1: is very much aware of. And you supplement your you
Speaker 1: supplement your starting pitching, and then you trade off of
Speaker 1: that supplement with your younger, more controllable options. So Blake Snell,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it fifty percent. Show Hey Otani, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put it ten percent, and one Soto I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put at five percent.
Speaker 2: I think Soto's the least likely one year. You know,
Speaker 2: he's hitting free agency. Who's his agent, Scott Boris. There's
Speaker 2: also now reports that Soto wants to go back to
Speaker 2: the East Coast once he hits free agency. He would
Speaker 2: have to give up a ton to get him. He
Speaker 2: feels like the least likely to me. So what would
Speaker 2: I put one Soto at? Yeah, three to five percent. Now,
Speaker 2: Blake Snell before I get even get into the Otani stuff,
Speaker 2: because I'm sure that can be a whole discussion in
Speaker 2: itself to develop on what you said. When we talked
Speaker 2: about Blake Snell a couple of weeks ago, I was
Speaker 2: just starting to kind of kick the tires on the
Speaker 2: idea and think, yeah, could this make sense? Would the
Speaker 2: Mariners buy into this? I've done not just a full
Speaker 2: one eighty, but I've had this epiphany in the sense
Speaker 2: of I think the merit. The Mariners absolutely have to
Speaker 2: sign Blake Snell. Here's why. How often do free agents say, oh,
Speaker 2: the Seattle Mariners, I want to play there? Never ever? Ever.
Speaker 2: In fact, most free agents say I don't want to
Speaker 2: go within thousand miles of that place. Now you've got
Speaker 2: a guy who's about to be a two time Cy
Speaker 2: Young winner, saying, not only would I be open to
Speaker 2: playing in Seattle, I want to play in Seattle, I
Speaker 2: will take a hometown discount to play in Seattle. He
Speaker 2: said that, despite being a Scott Boris guy. At least
Speaker 2: that's what's being reported by Divish. He thinks Snell would
Speaker 2: take a small hometown discount to go to the Mariners,
Speaker 2: So you better go get that guy. Because you don't
Speaker 2: have people knocking on your Doorberry Off and that are
Speaker 2: stars and saying I want to play for you. So
Speaker 2: I have done a I've had a full epiphany and said,
Speaker 2: the Mariners absolutely need to go sign Blake Snell. Go
Speaker 2: do it. What are the percent chances I'll even go
Speaker 2: a little higher than you. I'll say fifty five because
Speaker 2: if the Mariners fork up the money, it's one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: At least that's what it sounds like. If they give
Speaker 2: him what he's asking for, it's one hundred percent. If
Speaker 2: the Mariners don't don't fork up the money, yeah, it
Speaker 2: gets more complicated.
Speaker 1: So then you and I are gonna have a fucking problem.
Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna have.
Speaker 2: Yes, So essentially the forty five percent of hesitancy I'm
Speaker 2: putting out there is all in John Stanton's court. It's
Speaker 2: are you gonna pay Blake Snell or not? If you don't,
Speaker 2: there's where the hesitancy is. If you say we'll give
Speaker 2: Blake Snell what he's looking for, this goes from fifty
Speaker 2: five percent to just about one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Okay, now what's your show, hey? Percentage?
Speaker 2: So we've talked about this a little bit before. I
Speaker 2: think it's higher than what most people think. Am I
Speaker 2: banking on it?
Speaker 1: No way?
Speaker 2: Am I putting it at the fifty to fifty five
Speaker 2: percent chance we gave Blake Snell. Absolutely not. But like
Speaker 2: we've said, I think most most Mariners fans sit there
Speaker 2: and say, there's no chance he's going to the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: They're not getting them. Don't waste your time. It's less
Speaker 2: than five percent, I don't think, so, I really don't.
Speaker 2: I'm putting it somewhere between twenty five and thirty percent,
Speaker 2: which is again, it's not high odds, but it's higher
Speaker 2: than what most people think. I don't think the list
Speaker 2: of teams he's gonna con is that long. I think
Speaker 2: the Dodgers and the Mariners are very high up on
Speaker 2: that list. I think the Dodgers are probably one and
Speaker 2: the Mariners honestly might be two. So that's why I'm
Speaker 2: saying twenty five to thirty percent. I'm much more optimistic
Speaker 2: than most people are. I understand that, but I think
Speaker 2: Mariners fans like to be pessimistic a lot of the time.
Speaker 2: I just look across the league and say, what teams
Speaker 2: make sense for show? Hey, well, I guess all of
Speaker 2: them because every team would benefit from having them. But
Speaker 2: what teams make sense for show Hey to go play for?
Speaker 2: Like what does he want? I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of boxes the Mariners check. I really do, so.
Speaker 1: Ten percent is on the pessimistic side. It's not letting
Speaker 1: yourself be disappointed, which I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are gonna be, even if even if show Hay has
Speaker 1: made up his mind that he's actually not coming to
Speaker 1: the Mariners and that he doesn't want to play in
Speaker 1: Seattle and he doesn't think think the organization is a
Speaker 1: good fit for him, Like we don't know that, So
Speaker 1: people are going to be disappointed. Is the question is
Speaker 1: how you handle that disappointment? How does the Mariner? How
Speaker 1: do the Mariners handle that disappointment? Are they gonna be
Speaker 1: able to pivot quickly? That's going to be the most
Speaker 1: important point of this offseason, And which leads to the
Speaker 1: percentage chance of our final person on this question.
Speaker 2: Which would be Blake Snell, which again, like I said,
Speaker 2: it's I'm putting it, but at fifty to fifty five percent,
Speaker 2: I'll say fifty five even a little bit higher than you.
Speaker 1: So sorry, No, I meant the first one. Actually, then
Speaker 1: I want Soto. I think, oh, that's that. I'll say
Speaker 1: that's the one you didn't didn't go into.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I said, Soto is like three to five percent.
Speaker 2: I was sorry this this has been a long question
Speaker 2: because obviously it's packed with three very very headline names.
Speaker 2: So again, I just don't think the Soto thing's going
Speaker 2: to happen. It would cost a time. He's not re
Speaker 2: signing it just I don't think it makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense. As good as he is, as incredible as
Speaker 2: he is, I should say I don't think for Seattle
Speaker 2: it would make a lot of sense. So I think
Speaker 2: more so they'll be invested in both show Hey and
Speaker 2: Blake Snell. And I'll say this, let's just get it
Speaker 2: out there. With the off season now officially starting, I
Speaker 2: really hope sho Hay signs early one because I cannot
Speaker 2: take him dragging this out till Anuary. I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: stressed and refreshing Twitter every five seconds every day for
Speaker 2: weeks if he takes a long time, And because I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna hold up the market if he doesn't
Speaker 2: sign quickly, because I think a lot of teams are
Speaker 2: going to be trying to sign him, and I think
Speaker 2: that may hold up a lot of the rest of
Speaker 2: the free agent market. So I hope Show Hey makes
Speaker 2: his decision relatively quickly. I actually think he may, and
Speaker 2: then that can just set that can let everybody be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's move on, let's pivot. What can we do next.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he can sign as early as next Tuesday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's as early as he can sign, and it could
Speaker 1: be within a couple of weeks. And I think you
Speaker 1: and I would would really appreciate him signing within a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. So we have we have enough time
Speaker 1: to get into everything else, and we don't have to
Speaker 1: do all these what if episodes throughout the course of
Speaker 1: the uh throughout the course of the holiday season. Let's
Speaker 1: get to our final question on did just melsta Well.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say the positive of if Show
Speaker 2: Hey takes a long time, as it makes for some
Speaker 2: good social media content. You know what, people love us
Speaker 2: talking about Show Hey Otani, And by us, I mean
Speaker 2: like media people. There's show Hey stuff out there. Oh
Speaker 2: people listen, No.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Absolutely, Let's get to the final question
Speaker 1: in our mail bag, not mariners related from Mason because
Speaker 1: a Diamondbacks question or the Diamondback is going to make
Speaker 1: a huge splash in free agency this offseason. What do
Speaker 1: you think, Lyle.
Speaker 2: I think they have to and I think it has
Speaker 2: to be for a starting pitcher, and it sounds like
Speaker 2: they may be inclined to. If you listen to Arizona
Speaker 2: Sports Radio here on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Ken Kendrick went on ninety eight to seven
Speaker 1: down there in Phoenix and used some very complicated words.
Speaker 1: Let me know if you've heard these in the business world, Lyle,
Speaker 1: the World Series run for the Diamondbacks created a unplanned
Speaker 1: quote economic windfall unquote that puts the organization in position
Speaker 1: to make a quote non insubstantial investment in the team. Aka,
Speaker 1: we made enough money from the World Series that we
Speaker 1: might can spending money.
Speaker 2: Correct, he's trying to use big boy words, But I
Speaker 2: would hope the Diamondbacks are going to spend some money
Speaker 2: because they were right there this year. They were in
Speaker 2: the Fall Classic. They were going toe to toe with
Speaker 2: the Rangers in a bunch of those games. Again. Game
Speaker 2: one went right down to the wire, Game five until
Speaker 2: that ninth inning was neck and neck. They weren't that
Speaker 2: far out of it. You know, it would make a
Speaker 2: big difference starting pitching because they've got three and three
Speaker 2: guys that could be really good Gallon Kelly fought. They
Speaker 2: need more after that, and there's a lot of starters
Speaker 2: on this market. There's play Snell, There's Aaron Nola, There's
Speaker 2: Sonny Gray, there's gonna be you know, yeah, I'm a
Speaker 2: moto if they really wanted to try and go make
Speaker 2: a splash, so there's guys out there that they could
Speaker 2: go sign. I think they need one more true impact arm.
Speaker 2: So if they're gonna go spend some money, I think
Speaker 2: it would make a lot of sense for them to
Speaker 2: spend it in that area. And I think they should
Speaker 2: spend more money period this winner because twenty first and
Speaker 2: payroll for a team that made the World Series, why
Speaker 2: wouldn't you go spend re spend resources into your ball
Speaker 2: club and try to get back their next year if
Speaker 2: not win it.
Speaker 1: And they have a really good sales pitch. I mean,
Speaker 1: they have a young core and the Phoenix areas where
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys train in the off season.
Speaker 1: How convenient would it be to live their year round.
Speaker 1: You don't have to move anywhere, you can live in
Speaker 1: your same house, and you train at your same place
Speaker 1: throughout the season and throughout the off season. It's a
Speaker 1: pretty easy pitch. That's the big reason why the Mariners
Speaker 1: struggle to keep players and attract players. Not only is
Speaker 1: it cold, but guys leave and go thousands of miles
Speaker 1: away once the season is over, and they'd rather they
Speaker 1: I'm sure most of these guys would rather stay in
Speaker 1: one place if they could. It just makes life easier.
Speaker 1: So if the Diamondbacks are willing to actually spend money
Speaker 1: and spend market rate on one of these pitchers, I
Speaker 1: don't think they'd have that hard of a time convincing
Speaker 1: someone to come and play in their organization.
Speaker 2: Not at all, especially now that they're good, and if
Speaker 2: this is something the players even consider too. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of fun stuff to do in Phoenix, especially in
Speaker 2: the off season, Especially if you're a golfer. You've got
Speaker 2: plenty to do in the off season. So I think
Speaker 2: Phoenix is a destination location for a lot of these teams. So,
Speaker 2: like you said, you could have one house, live there
Speaker 2: all year for spring training, for the off season, for
Speaker 2: the regular season, and play for a good team. I
Speaker 2: think it makes a lot of sense. Okay, our final
Speaker 2: question and this should be a fun one. So this
Speaker 2: was not submitted to us, but it was on social
Speaker 2: media here on Thursday and we thought, you know what,
Speaker 2: this would be a fun question to talk about. So
Speaker 2: this is self submitted by us, so we're gonna ask
Speaker 2: it here anyway. It was a few accounts tweeted it out.
Speaker 2: The one I saw it from was talking Baseball the
Speaker 2: John Boy Count and they said the favorite moment from
Speaker 2: your team in twenty twenty three was what And I'll
Speaker 2: kick this to you TJ. But first I've got to
Speaker 2: say I had a hard time trying to think of these.
Speaker 1: I have one, and I think it works perfectly with
Speaker 1: what the Mariners are as a franchise. I think I
Speaker 1: enjoyed this night the most. It was Felix's number retirement
Speaker 1: night where George Kirby threw nine shutout. I had a
Speaker 1: lot of fun that watching that baseball game. I think
Speaker 1: I had more fun watching that game against the Orioles
Speaker 1: than I had all season long. And I think that
Speaker 1: is the best I saw Mariner's pitcher throw all season.
Speaker 1: I thought the energy in the ballpark was unbelievable, and
Speaker 1: in the end, I think that tops my list of
Speaker 1: moments from this season. There's so many to so many
Speaker 1: others you could have chosen. You could have chose the
Speaker 1: twenty first win in August. I mean, that was amazing,
Speaker 1: and Julio's ridiculous streak and kicking the shit out of
Speaker 1: the Astros throughout the regular season all awesome, But I
Speaker 1: don't think anything quite reaches that night that George Kirby
Speaker 1: had in August.
Speaker 2: I guess the reason I had such a hard time
Speaker 2: with these is despite an eighty eight win season and
Speaker 2: being right in the thick of the playoff race, just
Speaker 2: didn't feel like there were a lot of nights where
Speaker 2: everybody was really fired up, aside from the month of August.
Speaker 2: But it's funny, none of those wins in August really
Speaker 2: stood out more than the others, Like there wasn't that
Speaker 2: one win where it's like wow, like okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: They had a great mind, But it wasn't some Game
Speaker 2: of the Year type of contest. So then you throw
Speaker 2: that month aside, and there was a lot of five
Speaker 2: hundred baseball. There was buying and selling at the deadline,
Speaker 2: there was trying to play from behind, the final week
Speaker 2: of the season, and not playing well in Texas and
Speaker 2: then not playing well against the Astros, like it was
Speaker 2: a it was a hard year, despite winning eighty eight games,
Speaker 2: and a lot of teams around the league saying I
Speaker 2: would have taken that year. It was a hard twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three to be a Mariner fan. I guess the
Speaker 2: couple I came up with was the four hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty two foot blast from Jared Kelnick at Wrigley. That
Speaker 2: one was pretty sick. The other one I thought of,
Speaker 2: which is just so fitting, was the Dom Canzone home
Speaker 2: run also in the Oriole series to tie it up,
Speaker 2: where he hit it off the hit it here Cafe.
Speaker 2: It was an absolute blast. They rebounded just a couple
Speaker 2: pitches after Type France had a home run robbed by
Speaker 2: Cedric Mullins to try and tie the game. Canzone actually
Speaker 2: tied the game and then oh, by the way, they lost. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So that brand felt very on brand for the Mariners season,
Speaker 2: like they kept people engaged just long enough and then
Speaker 2: they lost.
Speaker 1: And that Jared home run came in game three of
Speaker 1: a three game series with the Cubs where in Game
Speaker 1: one they blew how many runs seven run lead? It
Speaker 1: was what they got shut out one night. They they
Speaker 1: scored one run one night, and then I think blew
Speaker 1: a seven run lead the other.
Speaker 2: No, because it was game two, they blew that big lead.
Speaker 2: He is in Game one. You know what kell Nick
Speaker 2: did in that game? He hit a game run in
Speaker 2: the ninth. Then he hit it off the scoreboard and
Speaker 2: right field Atrigley. But then I'm pretty sure they lost
Speaker 2: the next ra innings.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, they lost in extra innings.
Speaker 2: Who could have ever guessed? This was not as easy
Speaker 2: as twenty twenty two would have been to think of
Speaker 2: moments and even throwing the cal Raley playoff clinching homer
Speaker 2: out the window. Last year there was a lot of
Speaker 2: really fun moments. There was a fourteen game win streak,
Speaker 2: there was the finale against the Braves. There was a
Speaker 2: bunch of games last year that were just it was
Speaker 2: so much fun, like like mid jud and on. Last
Speaker 2: year was such a fun ball club to watch. But
Speaker 2: there was just a lot of stress in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: and I don't know, maybe it's clouding some of the memories,
Speaker 2: especially earlier on in the year that might have been good.
Speaker 2: But like I saw some Marina fans saying the same
Speaker 2: thing here on Thursday. It was I think there was
Speaker 2: a lot of hard moments this year, Like it was
Speaker 2: not easy to pick out the fun ones.
Speaker 1: Well, they played five hundred baseball outside of like a
Speaker 1: month and a half, which is.
Speaker 2: Probably why it wasn't so easy to find those moments.
Speaker 2: Like Gino hit the one walk off home run back
Speaker 2: in May. I believe that was one, but like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Like that was cool, but like season defining great moment,
Speaker 1: e I don't know if I would call it that.
Speaker 2: There just wasn't that many. The JP Grafford Grand Slam
Speaker 2: that final weekend against Texas, like that one was cool,
Speaker 2: but they're just yeah, like I'm just rattling some off here.
Speaker 2: There just there wasn't a lot. I guess if I
Speaker 2: had to pick one, it'd be Kelnix Homer. If I
Speaker 2: had to pick one above all of them, for me,
Speaker 2: it'd be the kell Nick Homber.
Speaker 1: If they would have made the player. Also, I think
Speaker 1: JP's homer might have stuck up on the list a
Speaker 1: little bit more. But uh, they didn't.
Speaker 2: No, they didn't.
Speaker 1: No, pretty sad, Okay, So George Kirby and then George
Speaker 1: Kirby's game against the Orioles, and then Jared Kelnick's home run.
Speaker 1: Very Uh, that'd be it.
Speaker 2: I guess that just about wraps up the mail bag.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, and let me just throw one final one
Speaker 2: in there. Maybe maybe our greatest question yet. This is
Speaker 2: from somebody named Spencer. I don't I don't know who
Speaker 2: this is. I've never seen or heard from this person
Speaker 2: in my entire life. He sends in a question that says,
Speaker 2: if Otani goes elsewhere, what are the odds of a
Speaker 2: video dropping of John Hayman having his head spin and
Speaker 2: doing the gritty? I'd say one hundred percent pretty high.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see John John Hayman gritty. Do you
Speaker 2: think he could pull it off? I feel like he's
Speaker 2: too old, he can say absolutely not.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: This this man, John Hayman despises the Mariners. And for
Speaker 2: those of you that are on Twitter, you know that
Speaker 2: for or some of our folks that maybe aren't, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Johnnymen despises the Maratis.
Speaker 1: Seems like a pretty miserable person. I will, we'll just
Speaker 1: put that out there. Doesn't seem like he has a
Speaker 1: whole lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Well maybe when East Coast teams win.
Speaker 1: That's true. That is true. Okay, well, let's close out
Speaker 1: the show with speak your Mind, Speak your mind spoke.
Speaker 2: That would be unwise. What is necessary is never unwise.
Speaker 1: All right, what's on your mind?
Speaker 2: How in the world do any teams keep trading for
Speaker 2: James Harden? Like how this guy has been traded now
Speaker 2: a handful of times in his career and what happens
Speaker 2: every single time? He's there for about a season, maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit longer, decides he's fed up and then
Speaker 2: demands the trade, and teams keep trading for him. And
Speaker 2: now he's a member of the Clippers with what could
Speaker 2: end up being the most toxic team in the history
Speaker 2: of basketball. I don't know how teams do it.
Speaker 1: My question is how the NBA continues to exist. Like,
Speaker 1: just looking at this roster of the Clippers, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set the over under of DNPS this season
Speaker 1: for that those four, like seventy the four combined.
Speaker 2: Oh at least seventy. Those guys are gonna miss so
Speaker 2: many games for load management throughout the year. They're gonna
Speaker 2: roll into the playoffs as the six or seven seed.
Speaker 2: They'll get just enough wins to get into the postseason.
Speaker 2: None of them will have like ever played together outside
Speaker 2: of ten games throughout the season, and then they're probably
Speaker 2: gonna get bounced in the first round because there's no chemistry.
Speaker 2: They're all selfish and it's gonna be toxic, and we're gonna.
Speaker 1: Hear a story coming out by the end of the
Speaker 1: season that like Russ and Harden are clashing heads or
Speaker 1: kauh I can't stand James Harden's beard, or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's that is how this is gonna end up. And
Speaker 1: the Clippers are gonna do all of this to finish
Speaker 1: probably what six in the West and losing the first round,
Speaker 1: like like like, this isn't even how basketball teams are
Speaker 1: built anymore.
Speaker 2: Like the teams like this don't win.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 2: It's been proven year after year after year.
Speaker 1: This is not how it works.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Russ and James Harden already don't like
Speaker 2: each other. Didn't they have problems when they played on
Speaker 2: the Rockets together?
Speaker 1: I think so. But it is funny because the first
Speaker 1: person adapt James Harden up once he got into the
Speaker 1: Clipper locker room was Russ.
Speaker 2: This league is all we can say. What what a
Speaker 2: league it is. I'm sure there's gonna be story after
Speaker 2: story coming out from this team throughout the year, and
Speaker 2: we're just gonna sit back and watch, because what is
Speaker 2: the NBA. It's a soap opera. As we like to say,
Speaker 2: one final thing before we throw it back to you.
Speaker 2: I did just want to give a little shout out
Speaker 2: to Nelson Cruz, who officially retired today here on Thursday.
Speaker 2: I think he's somebody that, despite only being here four years,
Speaker 2: is absolutely loved here in Seattle and will be for
Speaker 2: a long time. So I just wanted to give a
Speaker 2: hat tip to him. He is a haul, a very
Speaker 2: good player. He won't be a Hall of Famer, but
Speaker 2: he really did have quite the career, and he had
Speaker 2: a lot of his best years here in Seattle.
Speaker 1: Got his career started a little bit too late, was
Speaker 1: scuffling a little bit too long before he really turned
Speaker 1: it on. If he started, if he started playing the
Speaker 1: way he did in his thirties a little bit earlier
Speaker 1: in his career, I think he would be a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer. But unfortunately for Nelson, he won't. All time
Speaker 1: mariner though, despite only playing four seasons, really really just
Speaker 1: a good player. What's up?
Speaker 2: Well, I hate to now put negative light on him,
Speaker 2: but he also did juice, so even if he had
Speaker 2: started getting hot at all in his career, he probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't have gotten in.
Speaker 1: But he is a very good player, yeah, perenarially, no
Speaker 1: matter when he started. Now then a Hall a very
Speaker 1: good player. Okay, my speak your mind. I can't keep
Speaker 1: up with all this Connor Stallion's Michigan stuff. It just
Speaker 1: keeps getting funnier and funnier by the day of these
Speaker 1: cheating allegations. There was a video that came out today
Speaker 1: on Thursday, which you can It was a video of
Speaker 1: the Michigan Ohio State game in twenty twenty two. By
Speaker 1: the way, before I continue, the background is Connor Stallions
Speaker 1: is a Michigan staffer on the Michigan football team that
Speaker 1: has allegedly been stealing signs from opposition. He's been going
Speaker 1: out ahead and recording all of their signs and delivering
Speaker 1: it back to Michigan for them to steal play calls
Speaker 1: when they play them. And coincidentally, the three seasons when
Speaker 1: Connor Stallions has stolen steins for Jim Harbaugh have been
Speaker 1: the three best seasons by far Jim Harbough has had
Speaker 1: at Michigan. Huh shocker. So there's a video that came
Speaker 1: out today where you can clearly see Connor Stallions standing
Speaker 1: behind the defensive coordinator for Ohio State yelling run right,
Speaker 1: run right, run right, and what do you know, Ohio
Speaker 1: State run lines up and runs to the right. And
Speaker 1: there's just like so much incriminating evidence by the day
Speaker 1: and shocker in college football. The NCAA sits back and
Speaker 1: is like, ugh, I don't know what to do. We
Speaker 1: don't actually have any power here. And there was a
Speaker 1: call today with all I think other thirteen Big Ten
Speaker 1: head coaches who are like, there needs to be some
Speaker 1: fucking punishment. And the Big Ten is a first year
Speaker 1: commissioner too, Like it's just so crazy. I just said
Speaker 1: a lot right there, So I'm gonna let you respond
Speaker 1: to something.
Speaker 2: This is such a college football story too. It just
Speaker 2: keeps dragging on and on and on, and you would
Speaker 2: think it's the biggest story in the world right now
Speaker 2: for how much it's being talked about. When you really
Speaker 2: get down to the bare bones of it, it is
Speaker 2: somebody taking some signs from the sideline. Yes there should
Speaker 2: be punishment, of course, like Michigan is not playing by
Speaker 2: the rules, but they're really making this out to be
Speaker 2: quite the story when there's been many, many bigger scandals
Speaker 2: in college football that have arisen than this. But they're
Speaker 2: really dragging this one out. I almost think the NCAA
Speaker 2: likes the attention of it.
Speaker 1: No, I just think they're incompetent. That's what they are.
Speaker 1: This is, you know, But this is a result of
Speaker 1: This is a result of a sport that is run
Speaker 1: by individual entities and not one governing party. Shocker, I
Speaker 1: know that's what this is a result of. If this
Speaker 1: happened in the NFL, Jim Harbor would have already been
Speaker 1: suspended for a year. He'd be done. You'd be sitting
Speaker 1: on the sidelines speaking of the NFL.
Speaker 2: Is Jim Harbought actually gonna scapegoat his way out of
Speaker 2: Michigan and go to the NFL because there's been reports
Speaker 2: that seem to think the NFL is not going to
Speaker 2: serve as some landing bed or safe haven for him
Speaker 2: if he gets in trouble for this. Now, all it
Speaker 2: takes is one team to jump in and say, who cares,
Speaker 2: we'll sign him anyway. But I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a slam dunk for Jim Harbor to go
Speaker 2: to the NFL.
Speaker 1: All I'll say is Mark Davis hasn't shied away from
Speaker 1: making splashes at head coach, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: The Raiders would be such a perfect fit. What a
Speaker 2: disaster they already are already, which that would just add
Speaker 2: fuel to the fire with jim harbaught what is shocker.
Speaker 2: By the way, we've never really given this take on
Speaker 2: the podcast because we've been circling the wagons with this take,
Speaker 2: I guess well before we started, But TJ and I
Speaker 2: have been on the train forever of Jimmy Garoppolo's atrocious
Speaker 2: even when he was in San Francisco, that he was
Speaker 2: aided by the best play caller in the league and
Speaker 2: just an abundance of weapons at every position with the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. Well look at him when he goes
Speaker 2: to a team where he actually has to do way
Speaker 2: more and he actually gets benched for.
Speaker 1: A no Conner. One last thing on this Connor Stallions thing,
Speaker 1: like the fact that there's so much denial out there,
Speaker 1: and we've mentioned there's been no punishment yet, but the
Speaker 1: fact is that there were some photos going around earlier
Speaker 1: last week that Stallions was on the sideline of Central Michigan,
Speaker 1: a different university. He was on the sidelines when they
Speaker 1: were playing Michigan State to open this season, and there's
Speaker 1: a video of him, like, there's a player that ran
Speaker 1: out of bounds on the sideline right in front of him,
Speaker 1: and he did this, he put his hat down and
Speaker 1: looked down away from the television cameras and walked away
Speaker 1: from the play. And there's another one where the TV
Speaker 1: camera catches his sunglasses by the way, playing a night game.
Speaker 1: A night game, he's wearing sunglasses and you can see
Speaker 1: a little recorder in the corner of his sunglasses blink
Speaker 1: on and records something. It's like, oh. And then the
Speaker 1: fact that they asked Jim mcawayan, the Central Michigan head coach,
Speaker 1: last week, they asked him about He's like, oh, we
Speaker 1: were aware of these allegations. We're looking into it. And
Speaker 1: you know what that tells me, Lyle, That was absolutely
Speaker 1: Connor Stallion, because if it wasn't Jim mccawayan would be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was Jimmy Smith. Yeah, we know who that is. Here,
Speaker 1: here's Jimmy Smith. This is what Jimmy Smith looks like. No,
Speaker 1: that was Connor Stallion's and those definitely looked like recorder
Speaker 1: ray band sunglasses, by the way, which I think you
Speaker 1: can buy online for like three hundred bucks. That it's
Speaker 1: not looking good for mister Jim Harbaugh in his attempt
Speaker 1: to return Michigan to glory. In that sense, he his
Speaker 1: best seasons have all resulted of cheating, and he's still
Speaker 1: in classic Jim Harbough fashion managed to lose the biggest
Speaker 1: games no matter what. He always manages to do it.
Speaker 1: Every stop he goes to, he gets to the playoff,
Speaker 1: he gets a chance to play for a national championship,
Speaker 1: he gets smoked by a Big twelve team.
Speaker 2: Who's he gonna lose to this year?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna get to lose to anybody? Here's my
Speaker 1: thing with this, what if the Big Ten just doesn't
Speaker 1: let Michigan play in the title game? That would be
Speaker 1: kind of crazy because this is the last year that
Speaker 1: Big Ten the Big Ten has divisions. Ohio State is
Speaker 1: a bigger TV draw than Michigan is, So even if
Speaker 1: Ohio State loses to Michigan and goes eleven to one,
Speaker 1: the Big Ten would not suffer a TV ratings dip
Speaker 1: If they put Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship
Speaker 1: game to face whatever crummy Big Ten West opponent they face.
Speaker 1: By the way, thank god divisions are gone, what to
Speaker 1: talk about? The biggest joke of a division in college
Speaker 1: football would be that one. Anyways, they would not suffer
Speaker 1: a rating stip if they put Ohio State in the
Speaker 1: Big Ten Championship and therefore let them also into the
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff over a suspended Michigan team without presumably
Speaker 1: without their head coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Ohio State's also not very good. I think
Speaker 2: that might hurt the Big Ten? Are we sure Ohio
Speaker 2: State would get into that Big Ten title game and win?
Speaker 2: I don't think Ohio State's very good. I think as
Speaker 2: bad as it's looked off the field for Michigan over
Speaker 2: the last few weeks, they're a better team than Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Who in the Big Ten West is beating Ohio State?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but Ohio States just looks way more
Speaker 2: vulnerable than they've been in past years.
Speaker 1: Are you telling me Iowa is going to beat Ohio
Speaker 1: State because they're not mean?
Speaker 2: I mean, no, Like Iowa's a whole different story in itself.
Speaker 2: What a disgrace of an offense every single year. But anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm sure the ratings would be fine.
Speaker 1: But and that's really what it boils down to, right,
Speaker 1: because that's what college football has become. It's a television product.
Speaker 1: That's why all this shit is happening. So if they
Speaker 1: realized that the ratings wouldn't actually suffer, they can levy
Speaker 1: a real punishment against Michigan. Of course, if we want
Speaker 1: to tie this back to the Raiders, the head coach
Speaker 1: that oversaw all these things that would bring the punishment
Speaker 1: upon them wouldn't be there to see any of it through.
Speaker 1: He'd just go.
Speaker 2: Although we know a little bit about that. The head
Speaker 2: coach of our football team kind of jumped ship before
Speaker 2: things got bad at his college school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Herm Edwards is now pulling two paychecks, one
Speaker 1: from ASU and another from ESPN while not having to
Speaker 1: deal with any of the any of the consequences of
Speaker 1: the disaster cause at ASU. And by the way, Antonio Pierce,
Speaker 1: the quote unquote ring leader of all those alleged allegations
Speaker 1: and now subsequent punishment, Actually, I don't even think they've
Speaker 1: been punished by the NCAA yet if we're talking about incompetence,
Speaker 1: still haven't been punished. But Antonio Pierce jump ship, goes
Speaker 1: to the Raiders and now he's an NFL head coach,
Speaker 1: while Kenny Dillingham is working his ass off in Tempe
Speaker 1: trying to get around the just devoid roster that that
Speaker 1: he was left and probably the scholarship reduction he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to face in the future from the NCAA.
Speaker 2: Oh that's not what I was talking about, but sure,
Speaker 2: that's that's another that's another thing we can okay, just
Speaker 2: to tie that in. Then I was I was referencing
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll.
Speaker 1: I was like, well that works too.
Speaker 2: I was like, we've seen this happen. A coach that
Speaker 2: was under hot water at his collegiate university and then
Speaker 2: jump ship to the NFL before he had to take
Speaker 2: any punishment for it.
Speaker 1: This doesn't tell you the NCAA is the biggest scam
Speaker 1: in the world. I don't know what is it like,
Speaker 1: it's just so easy to just dodge around it. It's
Speaker 1: so easy.
Speaker 2: What a time? What a time? And I'm sure this
Speaker 2: thing's gonna get only funnier and more in depth in
Speaker 2: the next few weeks. So I guess we'll get to
Speaker 2: see how it all plays out, won't we I think
Speaker 2: so all right, I think that us about wraps it
Speaker 2: up for this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. If
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