WEBVTT - Marvel’s Eternals + The History of Jack Kirby 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.920 Warning, we're gonna be talking about Eternals today. This movie 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:09.680 just came out. Have you seen Eternals? If the answer 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.440 is no, stop right now, what are you doing? You 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.200 cannot listen to this because we're gonna spoil the entire movie, 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.560 the first credit scene and the second credit scene, and 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:39.400 lots of other shit I wanna do. Hello, my name 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.839 is Jason Concepcion. Welcome to episode eleven of X Ray Vision. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.400 We're gonna count them all the way up and see 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.400 how far we get. This is the Crooked Podcast where 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.680 we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:57.720 pop culture in general. On today's Previously on we will 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:01.480 talk about the Marvel film each Journals, out now in 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.080 theaters near you. We'll dive into the film with the 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.399 help of co host Rosie Knight. I will explore the 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.920 worlds and work of the celebrated comics creator Jack Kirby. 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:18.000 And then we will talk to Abraham Riasman, great comics journalist, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:24.720 and talk about Jack Kirby and a creator writes with 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.880 regards to the comics industry in general. But first, let's 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:44.520 recap Marvel's Eternals, which is a film. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:47.520 We're Tournals we came here seven thousand years ago. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.200 To protect humans from the Deviants. 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.440 Okay, So I saw the movie for a second time 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:59.080 last night, and I took notes on my phone as 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:03.280 best I could, trying to do so surreptitiously in a 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.320 way that would not get me kicked out of the 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:12.360 theater for, you know, being suspected of videotaping the movie. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.919 So bear with me, and I hope that these are right. 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.440 And also, if you haven't seen the movie yet, obviously 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.680 probably wait on this because I'm gonna spoil a bunch 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:27.960 of stuff that happens. Okay, So we open with a 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:33.480 title card that tells us about the Eternals and tells 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.000 us about the Deviants, and tells us of how those 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:42.680 two creatures, two species, were created by the Celestials, the 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:47.720 giant space gods which you have learned about in movies 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:53.360 such as Guardians of the Galaxy and others. The Celestials 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:59.880 created the Deviants to hunt intelligent life, but something went wrong, 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.320 and so they needed to create the Eternals, who are 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:11.560 these immortal superheroes to basically kill off the Deviants. We 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:18.520 opened five thousand years ago in Mesopotamia, and there is 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.440 there are some villagers. They're fishing by the shore, and 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.200 then all of a sudden, deviant comes out of the 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:28.840 water and eats this kid's dad and he's like, son, 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.960 get the fuck out of here. And just as the 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.800 devian is about to eat the boy, the Eternal show 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:39.920 up and they just start whooping major ass. Present day, 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:45.280 we meet Circe played by Jemma Chan and Dane Whitman 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:50.000 played by Kit Harrington. Kit Harrington has to say the 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.800 name Circe lovingly multiple times in this movie, and it's 0:03:53.840 --> 0:04:00.000 pretty funny, but maybe not consciously funny. Maybe they didn't 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:05.440 know that it was actually funny. Anyway. They're teachers, they're dating. 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:11.320 Circe teaches some kind of art class, and there's like 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:16.320 this major earthquake across the globe, across the globe, like 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:20.320 a five point something or to six I would estimate 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.760 from just like seeing it, And we see that Circe 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:28.599 has the power to change matter into other matters. She 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:34.720 turns like a large piece of art stone art into 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:40.720 just sand and saves a child's life. Later on, while 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.559 Circe and Dane Whitman are just kind of like walking 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:50.080 around enjoying the town, a deviant shows up and comes 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.680 out of the would I would guess is the River Thames, 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:58.640 but I'm not sure and attacks. We meet another eternal 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:03.080 named Sprite, who who is played by Leah mq. Sprite 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:12.000 can apparently create illusions and with the help of Icarus 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:16.360 played by Richard Madden. Yes, that's right. This movie has 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:21.560 both two heirs to the Stark throne and both of 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:26.039 them have to say circe numerous times. Icarus shows up 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:31.440 and he is very powerful, basically like an eternal superman, 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:37.200 and with his help they fight off the deviant. They 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.640 then decide, gosh, something is going on here. What with 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.719 the earthquake that shook the entire globe. That's a clue. 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.320 Plus the deviants. We thought we had taken care of that, 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.520 but guess what, they're back. We need to contact the 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:54.720 other eternals because apparently, after thousands of years of fighting deviants, 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.080 once that was accomplished, all these turnals had gone their 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.400 separate ways separate ways, so they go to find Ajak, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.960 who is their leader played by us the wonderful Somahayak. 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:12.440 They arrive at Ajax like Dorothy farmhouse in the middle 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:19.839 of nowhere, and the unfortunately Ajack has been killed. They think, right, 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.680 it's gotta be because the Devians are back. 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.000 The Devians killed Ajak. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.200 That's what everybody thinks, and everybody's very sad about it. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.800 They go around and find other eternals. Where are the 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.360 rest of the eternals? We meet Kingo played by Kumille Nanjohnny, 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.600 the Eternal King Goo. He can shoot beams of energy 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:43.040 from his fingers and hands, and he is a Bollywood actor, 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:48.279 and he has been undercover as a Bollywood actor, playing 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:53.599 basically like four generations of a Bollywood actor, pretending to 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:58.279 be his own great grandfather, grandfather father. Let's go to 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.600 you know, somewhere in the outback and there they find 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:08.520 Theena and Gilgamesh played by Angelina Julie and Don Lee respectively. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:13.880 They are in some kind of relationship that's a little 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:19.640 hard to discern, clearly a warm and loving one, a 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:27.040 romantic relationship, a very close platonic relationship, unclear, whatever the case. 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:34.480 Theena is experiencing some kind of like memory problems and 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.400 she will go in and out of funks. 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:38.920 And then we meet. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.480 Druid played by Barry Kyogan. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.120 He is like a professor X. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:48.360 He can take over people's minds, implant implant thoughts, make 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.880 people do as he wishes. He's living in the rainforest 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:57.240 in you know what I would describe as the kind 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.200 of place that like Nazis probably went to go hide 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:07.360 after World War Two, and Druig is running this utopian 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.400 kind of like farm in the middle of the rainforest. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.960 And it's a little troubling the way Druig is just 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.040 extremely comfortable with taking over people's minds. Later we find 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:23.320 Fastos played by Brian Tyree Henry, and he's wonderful and 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.320 his husband. They live with their child somewhere in the US, 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.920 I think outside of Chicago, and Fastos has the power 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.800 to create technology, but he doesn't want to do anything anymore. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.760 He doesn't want to help anymore because he's got his 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.240 kid and he's got his husband and they're very much 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.080 in love and they don't want to do shit anymore. 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:48.960 Also spoiler, Fastos also was instrumental apparently in creating the 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:55.200 atomic bomb that was then detonated over Hiroshima and Nick Nagasaki. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.280 And so he's just kind of like. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.360 You know what, I don't want to do technology stuff anymore. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.320 They go back to the Eternals, go back to their ship, 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:10.240 and there they find the speedster McCary played by Lauren Ridloff, 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.120 who is our first deaf superhero in the MCU. So 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.040 maccary's just been living on the ship all these years 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.560 and like stealing art and stuff because she can run 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:21.800 extremely fast. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.040 She's just been chilling out, I should add. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.400 In a scene that has haunted me ever since I 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:33.600 saw this movie earlier, in Bagdad, like around I want 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.959 to say, like five hundred BC, McCary again, who is deaf, 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.120 is communicating using sign language, and she makes the sign 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:45.720 for time, which is which she signs by tapping her 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:51.280 wrist like a wristwatch. Wristwatches would not be invented for 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.560 another two thousand years or something that has haunted me. 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.760 Around about the time that McCary makes the extremely anachronistic 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:05.280 sign for time, we get the very very first sex 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.880 scene on camera in an MCU movie. Of course, we 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:15.480 understand that Steve Rogers and Natalia Romanov fucked many, many 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:21.400 many times off off screen, at least in my head canon. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.480 In Captain American Winter Soldier, the vibes are very clear 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:31.440 they fucked a lot. But in Baghdad around five hundred BC, 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.760 the first on camera sex scene happens in which Icarus 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:44.359 and Circe just pounded out on the sands in Mesopotamia 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:50.200 blows that back out. Circe played by Gemma Chan not 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.719 feeling at all. No orgasm has been had, so we're 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.120 still waiting for that pivotal moment in MCU history. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.120 Just sex, very very tame. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:09.320 Later, Circe learns that the celestials have been keeping a 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:13.760 secret from them over They've been over the years communicating 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.800 with a celestial who's been giving them their missions. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:18.760 It hasn't happened for some time. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.920 Ajac usually was the one who would take care of that, 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.480 but now Circe is able to do it, and she 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:31.120 learns that actually Earth, planet Earth, is like an egg 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:39.520 for a baby celestial, and that intelligent life feeds the 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.800 celestial in the egg and allows it to grow, and 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:49.199 then eventually the celestial hatches from the egg being planet Earth, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.920 killing everything on the planet, and then the celestial goes 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:57.120 off and lives its life. Circe is like, we can't 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:01.920 let this happen because for various reasons, namely that it 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.559 would kill the billions of people that live on this planet, 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:09.000 and we should probably not do that. So they go 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:10.319 off and they try to figure out a way to 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:16.160 stop it, but they find out that Icarus actually wants 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:16.840 it to happen. 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:17.880 In fact, he was the. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:22.120 One that killed the Ajac, and now they have to 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:28.840 fight him while also fighting the deviants who are evolving 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:35.040 into higher forms of deviants, while also stopping the celestial 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.640 from hatching out of the earth egg. They do manage 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:46.440 to stop this by joining together in something called a unimnd, 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.080 which Fastos figures out that they can do if they 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.120 all kind of like bond together with their energies, they 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:57.360 can create this uni mind that does something and then circe. 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:03.760 Because of earlier fight with the deviants over in Druig's village, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.800 she had managed to turn a deviant like into a tree. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.760 She's not sure how, but she thinks, maybe if I 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.640 do something similar with the celestial, I can stop the 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.400 celestial hatching by like touching it and turning it into something. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.840 She does this, and she turns it into like. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.920 A huge rock, like a big there's just like a 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:29.560 celestial popping part way out of the ocean. Now, readers 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:36.720 of Marvel comics will probably think of the Avengers headquarters 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.000 the most recent Avengers headquarters, which is the kind of 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:46.480 like corpse of a celestial that is half frozen. Icarus, 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.439 in what can only be described as the most on 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:56.160 the nose scene in movie history, flies into the sun 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:02.520 because he has failed to stop the his colleagues, his friends, 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:07.080 the Eternals, from stopping from stopping the celestial from hatching. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.920 Disgusted with all of this, he goes and flies. 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:10.760 Into the sun. 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.360 His name is Icarus, and he goes into the sun. 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.120 Circe is able to make Sprite, who is in the 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:22.160 form of a child, into a regular person that will 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.800 now age and is no longer immortal like the rest 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:29.480 of the Eternals, and then we get our credit scenes. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.880 Credit scene number one, Dane Whitman is hearing a voice. 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:41.160 He goes to a very very old looking case which 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.920 has very like old inscriptions on it, and he opens 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.120 it and he pulls out a sword which is the 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.760 Emony Blade, which was introduced earlier in the film when 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:55.720 we meet McCary on the Eternal Ship and being bamboom, 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.960 we realize this is Dane Whitman, the Black Knight from 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.760 Marvel Comics, a member of the Avengers and other teams, 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:07.160 just as he is gazing upon this sword. We hear 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:12.040 the voice of maherschel Ali, who plays Blade. We're back 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.400 on the eternal ship. There is a flash of light. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.600 Some figures have teleported onto the ship. It is Pit 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:24.840 Patrol voiced by the very funny Patton Oswald and Eros 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:30.840 aka Starfox, the brother of Thanos from Titan played by 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:32.200 Harry Styles. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:34.480 And that was a thing that happened. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:39.200 By the way, this kind of, I guess confirms that 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.200 Thanos is an eternal. In the comics, Thanos is like 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:51.280 an eternal with like deviant mutations. Eros slash star Fox 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.720 also is an eternal, and I guess this kind of 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.720 proves that Thanos is a eternal Slash TV And that's 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:03.280 our movie, folks. Currently Rotten Tomatoes score forty nine percent 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:08.920 critics score and seeming to be trending down. The audience 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.400 score is just in as that the movie has just 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:15.280 opened eighty six percent initial audience score. This is the 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.000 at this point lowest rated Marvel movie on Rotten Tomatoes. 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:25.200 Let's get a overview of some representative reviews Mick Leasal 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.720 and the SF Chronicle. It takes a special kind of 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.320 movie anti magic to make an entire audience in different 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.840 to the potential destruction of Earth and every living thing 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.600 on it, Eternal manages it, Dana Stevens and Slat Eternals 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:41.200 is as sociologically inconclusive and as picturely beautiful as any 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.200 movie in the franchise. Was Seen after Seen, bathed in 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:48.000 the warm light of Jao's favorite time of day, the 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.240 pre dust Golden Hour. But it is also one of 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:55.000 the weakest Marvel movies I've seen meandering and Wan shots. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.840 Using Wan in a review, I would add that Icarus 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.560 and Icarus and Circe's love scene also takes place in 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.680 that pre dust Golden Hour. Shirley Lee in the Atlantic 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.760 in shot after shot show Mind's a quiet and poignant 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.480 humanity from her characters. 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:17.360 I think this is. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:23.639 A bottom tier Marvel movie, not a bad movie at 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.960 like graded, not on the scale of Marvel movies. It's 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:31.720 just like a normal boring movie with some cinematography. Is beautiful, 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.439 the fights are pretty good, and Kumail Nan Johnny is 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.720 hilarious and really the best part of the movie for me. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:40.240 As Kingo. 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:46.439 The movie depends a lot on emotional space and emotional plot. 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.840 Some really interesting decisions made here to like finally have 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:59.200 true romance and you know, physical longing. We get love triangles, 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:06.159 we get jealous see. But unfortunately with that is a 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.120 really strangely. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.000 Like cold depiction. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.760 Jemmy shann and Richard Madden just kind of like have 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:16.800 no chemistry and they are former lovers. It's it's better 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.560 with with Kit Harrington's Dane Whitman, but he's like barely 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:25.680 in the movie Sprite and Icarus, kind of Sprite has 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.760 a crush on Icarus, I guess you could say. 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.879 And that is probably. 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.720 The most like true like emotion and longing that is 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.199 conveyed on the screen in a real way. Unfortunately, like 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.720 Sprite is like a child character, which is super weird 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.040 although like obviously thousands of years old, but in the 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.359 physical form of a child, and it could have just 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:50.160 used more plot. 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:51.240 It's fine. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.360 Too many characters is part of the problem too, I think. 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.399 Really for me, the sad part of this movie is 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:02.719 you get the first real on screen representation of a 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:07.359 gay character in Fastos who's married with a wonderful child. 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:14.760 You get the first representation of a hearing disabled character, 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.919 of a deaf character in Macary, And really part of 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.359 the problem is you just have too many of these characters, 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:27.160 like really interesting moments like with Druig in the rainforest 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.639 and King Goo living his life as like a celebrity, 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.960 but in the end the movie can't focus on any 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:40.320 of them. And the reason why I think I would 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.240 probably put this below say thor The Dark World or 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:48.360 even Iron Man two is those movies like understood who 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:52.680 the hero of the movie was. It's unclear, like who 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.920 the central character of this movie is. Theoretically it is Circe, 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:04.240 but she's like super weirdly inactive throughout the film, doesn't 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:08.680 know how she turns the Deviant into a tree, never 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.520 really figures it out, at least in a way that 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.399 is conveyed to the audience, and then when she beats 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:19.600 the Celestial is similarly as like doesn't really know what 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.720 she did and spends the whole movie basically having like 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.080 imposter syndrome and not knowing why she was picked to 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:31.640 lead the team by Ajax. So disappointing in that regard. 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.520 Post credit scenes were fun. I could have used more 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.360 Dane Whitman, and I think we'll see it and I'm 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:43.400 interested to see where this goes. That said, the strength 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.480 of the MCU like as a structure, is that you 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.520 can brick Thor the first Thor movie not great really, 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:55.520 but and then Thor The Dark World, arguably up until now, 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.080 the worst movie in the entire MCU, and then all 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.600 of a sudden you get the third movie Thor Ragnarok, 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.879 which is for my money, a top three Marvel movie, 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:07.760 maybe the best, depending on what mood I'm in. So 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:13.600 is this like devastating? Is this the end of the 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:17.280 m c U. No, they'll bounce back from this, but 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:35.959 it's still disappointing. Onto the airlock, the Turtles assemble, bomb 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:44.119 bomb bom bom. On my left, who is that? 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:48.320 It's Rosy Night, the number one in Turtles. 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:55.040 Lover the. 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:04.840 Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Rosie uh Eternals is out. 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:05.520 It's out. 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:10.320 We've seen it several times. It is getting panned. Let's 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:15.600 just be honest about it's hit thee ever worst reviewed 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:20.639 mc movie MCU movie ever, I would have truthfully, I 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.840 would have it near the bottom of my list of 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:26.359 MCU movies. If not at the bottom, I would need 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:27.040 to process it. 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:27.720 A little more. 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.520 Not a terrible movie by any means, because I would 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.199 argue MCU the mc has really not made any like 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:35.800 truly awful movies. 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.280 But you love this movie, yeah that so. 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:45.480 Bring bring me like Druig, like take with your powers. 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:47.600 Okay, so then make. 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:51.960 Me and everyone else love it. Tell us why this. 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:55.320 Is a movie that truly understands the weirdness of Jack Kirby. 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:56.280 This is it is. 0:22:56.400 --> 0:23:02.359 Ruling strange, experimental, ambitious movie that mixes the humanity of 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:06.520 Jack Kirby with the absolute sci fi wildness that he's 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:09.160 known for. To me, it has a character in Fastos 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:11.359 who I think is like a love letter to Jack Kirby, 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:14.240 an inventor who's all about the machinery and the mechanics, 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:17.320 which is so much about what we love about Jack Kirby. 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:20.080 I love Chloe Jaw the writer is such an incredible 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.960 film and this brings Obviously, it is not Chloe Jao 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.040 getting to make her own incredible art house vision because 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.600 it's an MCU movie, but there is so much humanity. 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:31.360 I feel like one of the biggest things that work 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.240 for me about this movie is every there's ten Eternals 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.760 and eleven new characters if you count Dane, and every 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:41.280 single one has a nuanced, interesting relationship with the others 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:43.199 which I've never felt in The Avengers. 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:45.000 There's no like Cirsa again. 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:46.320 Yeah, there's no you know. 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.600 This is here is there are a lot of really 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:55.280 really interesting and good choices that and I would argue that, 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:58.199 you know, all together it didn't make okay heese so. 0:23:58.240 --> 0:23:59.000 Whole that said. 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:01.560 Yeah, the kind of like a emotional spaces that this 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.520 movie went to, I think are super interesting. The fact 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:08.000 that we get love triangles, that we get romantic relationships, 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:11.520 we get breakups within a team is a thing that 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:16.520 we haven't really seen before. Yes, like Vision and Scarlet, 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:17.520 which that's. 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.240 The closest I think if you get, if you like 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:25.040 that aspect of wonder Vision, the grief, the forever romance 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.800 that kind of can go from zombies in what If 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:30.159 to kind of the past and the future in one 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.720 division that aspect of this. This is definitely the most 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:35.639 romantic MCU movie. And as someone who grew up as 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.200 in avowed romance hater but has as an adult realized 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:40.040 I actually love romance, that. 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:40.600 Was a big thing for me. 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:42.199 I wrote a piece that was like ranking all the 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:45.480 ships in Eternal because every Eternal ship is good, Like 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:49.359 there are some I'm a Dane Whitman, Circe OTP Like 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:52.720 I love that Avengers run where Black Knight and Circe 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.160 are together and they're in the Avengers, the Jacket Avengers 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:56.240 as we as we like to call. 0:24:56.119 --> 0:25:00.480 Me, the Monica Ramboau Avengers. That was my introduction to 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.840 the event. That was my era of the event. Roger Stern, Roger. 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:06.280 Sterne, Monica rambo Is Sellous era. 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:07.000 Yeah. 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:10.440 Actually, just on a tangential MC, you think Nia DaCosta 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:12.320 has been talking a lot about how that is like 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.760 an era she's really been looking at for Marvels, So 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:15.959 I'm very excited about that. 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:16.919 But yeah, I think. 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:18.560 Eternals is worth it. I think it's weird. 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:21.480 The thing is, I don't the one thing, the one 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.840 criticism I don't agree with this. I don't agree that 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:27.240 it's a badly made film. I think that the pacing, 0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:29.760 the way that it works, it works for me. I 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.680 objectively disagree with the idea that Chloe made a bad film, 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:37.040 But I do understand the critiques that people have about 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:39.360 it being kind of too weird for them, or too 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.160 dense or too esoteric, and in that way, I just think, 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.439 you know, there's movies for everyone in the MCU, and 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:46.920 this for me is definitely a my rotating top five. 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:49.159 I don't know where it is, but I think this 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:51.960 is for me. This is the kind of after twenty 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:54.840 six movies, I want to see someone doing something really 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:58.399 weird and shooting for something different, whether it's tone, also like, 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:01.119 there are things in here. This is the big thing 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:02.639 I think if I was trying to sell someone to 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:04.240 go and see it, because this is what maps to 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:07.280 tell me, you know, Jason, because you're going to see 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.800 this movie anyway, if you like the MCU and you 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:11.399 want to know what's going to happen next, and you 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:13.640 want to learn about all the cool weird stuff that's 0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.280 probably going to impact us in Multiverse of Madness. How 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:19.040 mutants are going to be involved, Yes, how you know 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.560 Thanos might come back. This is the movie to see 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:24.639 because it sees so much cool, weird comic book stuff, 0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:27.720 and it takes very heavily from the comics, maybe more 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:29.520 heavily than any other MCU movie. 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.040 Not that anyone has read the Eternal's comics. 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.159 So barely anyone will know. But if you do like it, 0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:36.520 a lot of Volume one and Volume two Eternals. 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.199 Yeah, and also as well like if you you know 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.480