WEBVTT - 060323 Who are we Allowing to Dictate the Rules? (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>And now pat my mic back like we can strike.

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<v Speaker 2>Head borders behind in the If.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just tuning an inn civic side for I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to civic sycsdeed you are. We got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more show inste for you. So stay tunedcause

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be talking about Amanda Gorman's inaugural poem that

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<v Speaker 1>was banned in Florida. Okay, We're also going to be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the zoot suit riots for our way black

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<v Speaker 1>history fact. You know, black history is plinth theful and

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<v Speaker 1>black history is beautiful. We definitely need to talk about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do our best to share this space with

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<v Speaker 1>other marginalized groups and our Mexican American brothers and sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to make sure that we tell a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a story about how they've been treated in

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<v Speaker 1>the past as well. So stay tuned for that. I

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<v Speaker 1>promise you'll like it. But before we get to all that,

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<v Speaker 1>our Baba, we're going to shout out some police departments.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know if you listen to this show,

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<v Speaker 1>I know if you feel how we feel. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>But credit where it's due. We always said that we

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<v Speaker 1>were going to do that. Right today, credit where it's due,

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<v Speaker 1>baby steps, But credit where it's due. I'll read I'm

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<v Speaker 1>seeing in. The Cincinnati Police Department implemented a new policy

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<v Speaker 1>limiting police chases to violent felony offenses, the latest city

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<v Speaker 1>to restrict the risky police police tactic. The Atlanta Police

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<v Speaker 1>Department updated its policy last summer, similarly limiting police to

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<v Speaker 1>pursuits in cases where violence is suspected. Chicago police are

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<v Speaker 1>forbidden from chasing for traffic or theft defenses and required

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<v Speaker 1>to balance the police action against the risk to the public.

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<v Speaker 1>The policy in Valusia County, Florida, updated last January, states

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<v Speaker 1>that apprehending a suspect is quote never more important than

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<v Speaker 1>the safety of innocent motorists or deputies quote. Like many

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<v Speaker 1>tactics that came into bogue in the nineteen eighties and

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineties as police departments across the country led the

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<v Speaker 1>War on drugs. Police chases have fallen out of favor

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<v Speaker 1>among police leadership and mayors and city councils that oversee them.

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<v Speaker 1>So what that means is that police chases that often

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<v Speaker 1>end up with innocent people getting hurt or killed, that

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<v Speaker 1>end up with police getting hurt and killed in some instances,

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<v Speaker 1>and get a danger to the public. They're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>rethink what police chases could look like and should look like.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not everything, but critically that's not nothing. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for starting to become a better.

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<v Speaker 3>Credit.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's do man appreciate it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I don't put down my nose that baby steps.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the no steps that bugs me. Sure, five steps

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<v Speaker 3>forward to twenty steps back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the response to our progress by making sure you

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<v Speaker 3>go out of your way to drive us backwards. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in response to it, that makes me, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes feel hopeless.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha? Okay? All right, So now we have a big one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not big in the way of life and death.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't you dare, don't you dare make this smaller, don't

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<v Speaker 3>shrink it, don't marginalize it. This is massive.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the point I'm making is that it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>life and that thing, But I think it's mission critical.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big one because it's critical to the conversations

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<v Speaker 1>that we're having about this country. It's critical because it

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<v Speaker 1>calls into a question, who has the power, what are

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<v Speaker 1>they doing with the power? What are they afraid of?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it founded well founded? And have you or the

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<v Speaker 1>people around you, our listener been able to be scared

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<v Speaker 1>into adopting policies that are not based in a shared reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe our listeners have it, but a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>around the country have sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, But here's the point. Some of our listeners understand

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<v Speaker 1>some of the things that we say and don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>some of the other things. But I think more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>some of our listeners belong to either social circles with

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<v Speaker 1>folks who don't share their opinions politically and don't share

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<v Speaker 1>their capacity for compassion because they just lack in site

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<v Speaker 1>and they lack perspective and access to real stories. And

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<v Speaker 1>we empower those folks to then take into their social circles,

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<v Speaker 1>or their work circles, or whatever their family circles. We

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<v Speaker 1>empower our listeners to take this content into those circles

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<v Speaker 1>and then create the changes and create the ripple effects

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<v Speaker 1>that we're hoping will one day wash back up onto

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<v Speaker 1>the shore that we know of a civic cipher. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So again today I want to talk about Amanda Gorman's

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<v Speaker 1>inaugural poem. So and we'll be doing some reading from

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta the Atlanta Black Star. I want to shot

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<v Speaker 1>them out because we do pull from them frequently as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So for those who don't know, when when President Biden

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<v Speaker 1>was elected, okay, he had a little girl named Amanda

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<v Speaker 1>Gorman Gorman, sorry, come up and read a poem. And

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<v Speaker 1>the poem was very powerful if you google it, it

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<v Speaker 1>had a viral moment and it felt very special, especially

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<v Speaker 1>for folks who had to deal with a lot under

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<v Speaker 1>the previous administration. Her poem was one based on hope,

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<v Speaker 1>was based on Obviously there's some legacy and and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking backward and indeed looking forward and understanding where

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<v Speaker 1>we are, what this moment means, and that a better

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<v Speaker 1>future is possible. And you got to also imagine being

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment after January sixth, that happened, and after

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a very highly contested election process, and on

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<v Speaker 1>and on and on. Okay, Now I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to make it seem like I'm a big,

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<v Speaker 1>huge Joe Biden fan. I think that I'm a Bernie

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<v Speaker 1>Sanders guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the moment is less about who won and

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<v Speaker 3>more about who didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the exactly Okay, thank you for saying that. So

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<v Speaker 1>this little girl, so it's a very powerful poem, gets

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<v Speaker 1>to come up in front of the entire country and

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<v Speaker 1>share this poem.

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<v Speaker 3>In front of most of the world, I'm sure in

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<v Speaker 3>the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, So I'm gonna read a bit the mother who

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<v Speaker 1>had Oh let me before I get there, preface before

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<v Speaker 1>I get there. So again, this poem a very special

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<v Speaker 1>poem in Florida. I know you've been keeping up with it,

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<v Speaker 1>but for those that haven't been in Florida, it's been interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>you see.

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<v Speaker 3>What I'm saying, so kind and graceful Florida, Yes, has

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<v Speaker 3>been interesting process.

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<v Speaker 1>So the reason I choose that word because I know

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<v Speaker 1>the real word, as you know, you know full well

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<v Speaker 1>I know the real word. But the reason I choose

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<v Speaker 1>that word is because, as I mentioned, some of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who might be listening today who care about these things,

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<v Speaker 1>they might have gotten a dose of the far right wing,

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<v Speaker 1>deeply conservative, hateful content rebranded as policy intended to ensure

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<v Speaker 1>that children aren't made to feel bad.

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<v Speaker 3>And in this context, the word conservative doesn't mean conserved, right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a political idea, right fascist.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, so when I say interesting, it's because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to be mindful of the fact that some people

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<v Speaker 1>sincerely believe that these policies exis to equalize everyone's feelings,

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<v Speaker 1>when in fact they're intended to center the feelings of

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<v Speaker 1>white children and to deny educational opportunities and understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>their past and critically their present. Why are we poor?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are my people going through this? We are not

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<v Speaker 1>bad people? What's going on? Denying that reality? By denying

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<v Speaker 1>the past, ensures that power will be seated in one

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<v Speaker 1>place well into the future. This is not new. This

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<v Speaker 1>is textbook fascism, okay, But some of our listeners may

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<v Speaker 1>not know that because this may not be their reality.

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<v Speaker 1>As you mentioned, people have full lives. They might listen

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<v Speaker 1>to us once a week, and this might be all

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<v Speaker 1>that they have. And so I choose that word because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to make anyone seem like they're wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I recognize that many people have been misled, and so

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for pointing that out. But for those that

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<v Speaker 1>agree with Q, you should that that's not the right word.

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<v Speaker 1>Just know that I chose that word because there are

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<v Speaker 1>some of our listeners who may not agree with what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to say, and I need them to keep

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<v Speaker 1>listening until I've made my point. So in Florida, the

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<v Speaker 1>interesting goings on are, if I were to stated briefly,

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<v Speaker 1>the attacks on what has become known as critical race theory,

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<v Speaker 1>which is in fact American history.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's important to point out too, because critical race

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<v Speaker 3>theory is not actually being attacked. Critical race theory is

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<v Speaker 3>not actually what they're trying to ban. They are trying

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<v Speaker 3>to ban American history, right, and they've used critical race

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<v Speaker 3>theory an idea or an ideology that people are not

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<v Speaker 3>familiar with, and they use that to brand black American history.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. CRT is like a master's level collegiate academic pursuit.

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<v Speaker 3>With these kindergarteners and K through twelve students are being

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<v Speaker 3>taught not at all, but they've turned it into that

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<v Speaker 3>to give to fear.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, to rewrite the textbooks. Yes, now it has spilled

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<v Speaker 1>out in Florida and now in other states. Texas, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe Kansas, as well to attacks on books that may

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily be based on American history, but books that

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<v Speaker 1>articulate the black experience in this country, Books that articulate

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<v Speaker 1>folks who have been relegated to the margins their experience

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<v Speaker 1>in this country. Books that highlight brilliant thinkers who have

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<v Speaker 1>insight and knowledge on how to get from where we

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<v Speaker 1>are to a more equitable society. And these books have

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<v Speaker 1>been under attack. So it goes well beyond see quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote crt anything that is slightly progressive toward I won't

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<v Speaker 1>even say equity. I'll say even equality.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, even just basic information. It's not a book on

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<v Speaker 3>racism will be banned. It's a book that has the

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<v Speaker 3>word racism, and oh the word in Texas. They want

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<v Speaker 3>to ban the word racism from the UC Texas, and

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<v Speaker 3>we talked about that. That's not even you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not even the collective meanings or teachings of a book,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, mentioning slavery, mentioning race. They're trying to make

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<v Speaker 3>talking about it, talking about saying words illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you can lose your job and be jailed

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<v Speaker 1>for saying the word racist, racism. Indeed, So this is

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<v Speaker 1>where we are. Now. I needed you to know that,

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<v Speaker 1>so that this makes sense. So the little girl who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote the poem, that poem has been banned. Okay, one

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<v Speaker 1>person was successful in banning this poem. Okay, Now, one

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<v Speaker 1>person was instrumental. One person was successful. Makes it seem

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of people tried and only one person got. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one person's problem, one person's complaint. One person's effort

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<v Speaker 3>singularly led to the poem being banned comprehensively and collectively

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<v Speaker 3>and unilaterally for everyone in the entire state of Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, as I mentioned, she read this at the inauguration

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<v Speaker 1>of the forty sixth President of the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 1>It is history now, and it is banned in one

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States of America's fifty states. For people

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<v Speaker 1>to read it if they are in school. Okay, because again,

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<v Speaker 1>of one person's efforts. Now, but I'll let you read.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was gonna ask you, do you know why

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<v Speaker 1>is it? Oh, we'll get to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Because this person was offended or oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, let's let's okay, so we can be honest. Me

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<v Speaker 1>and you Q we can we can be honest. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's be honest with each other, and you, our listener,

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<v Speaker 1>gets to listen to this honest moment that you and

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<v Speaker 1>I are going to have. Okay, I'm going to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you something you already know and you know that I

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<v Speaker 1>know this, Okay, I just want so, so I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to say it for the benefit of our listeners who

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<v Speaker 1>are listening. So this is not me talking to you,

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<v Speaker 1>the listener. This is me talking to cue my brother.

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<v Speaker 1>This is behind the scenes conversation that you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get full access to. This is a conversation that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure happens in black households and social circles across America

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<v Speaker 1>if in fact their thoughts rise to the political arena. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they're banning black authors, They're silencing black boy and anybody

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<v Speaker 1>who has anything to do with empowering black people there

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<v Speaker 1>on the menu too. That's what it is. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I know that is because at the end of this,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find that the woman who was instrumental in banning

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<v Speaker 1>this poem didn't even read it. Okay, I'll read now again.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to the Atlanta Black Star, the mother who

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<v Speaker 1>had Amanda Gorman's inaugural poem band in a Florida school

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<v Speaker 1>reportedly has ties to the Proud Boys Daily. Sealinas reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>posted anti Semitic memes on social media and was an

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<v Speaker 1>attendance and Proud Boys rallies. Okay, So remember I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to establish who has the power, so you

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<v Speaker 1>already know who this person is. This is a white person,

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<v Speaker 1>a white woman who has ties to a well documented

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<v Speaker 1>far right extremist group that is decidedly anti black, anti

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<v Speaker 1>lgbt Q I a plus, anti immigrant, anti anybody that's

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<v Speaker 1>not Proud Boys, you know. Okay, where was that? Selena's

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<v Speaker 1>protested five books at the library from the library at

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Graham Education Center in Miami Lakes, Florida, including Gorman's

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<v Speaker 1>poem The Hill We Climb, as well as the ABC's

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<v Speaker 1>of Black History, Love to Langston, Countries in the News, Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>and Cuban Kids. Selena's claimed in March that Love to

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<v Speaker 1>Langston includes references to critical race theory and indirect hate messages. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really really really want people to think about

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<v Speaker 1>that indirect hate messages, because if there's somebody who has

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<v Speaker 1>studied black history, I'm not going to say I know

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<v Speaker 1>black history better than you or you know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other folks, But I definitely have done my research.

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<v Speaker 1>I have done enough research to know a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about what I'm talking about, which is more than the

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<v Speaker 1>average person. I have degrees on my wall, which doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean anything, but it does show that I have read

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<v Speaker 1>the books. Okay, I have never ever even remotely come

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<v Speaker 1>close to finding something I'm a black author that was

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<v Speaker 1>hateful toward white keeper never seen it. Okay. The closest

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<v Speaker 1>that people they try to make a big deal out

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<v Speaker 1>of is like slaver bolts and things like this. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>and understanding the framework and the context of which these

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<v Speaker 1>slabor bolts took place kind of makes sense, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's my only out, if I'm going to work

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<v Speaker 1>my way to death, or I can die fighting for

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<v Speaker 1>what I believe is right. You know that this country

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<v Speaker 1>was built on that.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm not mad at anybody to revote against the

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<v Speaker 3>system of slavery without revoting against.

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<v Speaker 1>Boom, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>But outside of that majority of owners that were white, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a textbook downstairs in my house from when I

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<v Speaker 1>was in college and I took an African American literature class, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>not a history class, literature. These are the writings of

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<v Speaker 1>black people going all the way back to the sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds and maybe even before because some of those got

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<v Speaker 1>shared in the oral tradition and slavery. Okay Olu Dhara

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<v Speaker 1>and the interesting narrative that we saw when we went

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<v Speaker 1>to the National Museum of Sorry, the National Museum of

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<v Speaker 1>African American History and Culture in Washington, DC. Shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to them all the way up to Jagged Edge's lyrics

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<v Speaker 1>in their songs. And you know, this was what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on at the time when I was in college.

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<v Speaker 1>All the huge textbooks still have it right now. Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Camilla Westenberg was my teacher. Never came across anything that

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<v Speaker 1>said indirect, that said that it was a hate messager,

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<v Speaker 1>a hateful letter, okay. And for her to say that

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<v Speaker 1>this where's it go? Here we go love to Langston

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<v Speaker 1>includes references to critical right theory and indirect hate messages.

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<v Speaker 1>Lets me know that she has absolutely no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>she's talking about. And wherever she's getting that from is

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<v Speaker 1>someone making a huge stretch. Now, I can find lots

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<v Speaker 1>of writings hang on real quick. I can find lots

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<v Speaker 1>of writings from white folks about and two black people

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<v Speaker 1>extremely hateful, prominent and elected white folks.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have much research to know. And not only

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<v Speaker 3>does she not know what she's talking about, but that

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<v Speaker 3>she's just a bold face line. Absolutely again, it reveals

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<v Speaker 3>itself later in.

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<v Speaker 1>The same story, if you will ram so, Selene's claimed

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<v Speaker 1>that she is not a member of Moms for Liberty

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<v Speaker 1>or the Proud Boys and was only attending some of

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<v Speaker 1>the same events. She also admitted that she hasn't read

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<v Speaker 1>the poem by Gorman as I mentioned, and that she

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to be She wanted them to be banned

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<v Speaker 1>from her children's school, and she blamed sorry, let me

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<v Speaker 1>read this right, She said, they have to read from

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<v Speaker 1>me because I'm not an expert. So she's not a reader.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, she's not a book person. She's a mom

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<v Speaker 1>involved in her children's education.

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<v Speaker 3>I also don't want people to think that you said

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<v Speaker 3>that last part.

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<v Speaker 4>She says, I'm not a reader right here. Sorry, she

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<v Speaker 4>says that, Yeah, because you said, okay, I'm we have

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<v Speaker 4>to read. Sorry, I lost my place. Next bird, and

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<v Speaker 4>then you said she's not a reader. Yeah, No, she said,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a reader. I'm not a reader.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not a book person. I'm a mom involved

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<v Speaker 1>in my children's education. So that lets me further know.

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<v Speaker 3>How involved in your children's education are you if you're

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<v Speaker 3>not a reader or a book person.

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<v Speaker 1>And how do you feel like taking down this book

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<v Speaker 1>Love to Langston is going to affect folks if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't read it, And how can you make an assessment

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<v Speaker 1>like it has indirect indirect hate messages if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>a reader? Right, So here's here's where we are with this. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>This one woman was instrumental and affecting these outcomes that

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<v Speaker 1>had ripple effects throughout the entire state of Florida. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so who are we talking about here? Is this a

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<v Speaker 1>black woman? I'll answer for you. No, of course not. No.

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<v Speaker 1>Ok Does this center the black perspective? Absolutely not. Does

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<v Speaker 1>this center an anti black perspective?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you? Okay. Now for folks who are decent individuals

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<v Speaker 1>with a just moral compass that recognize how important equity is,

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<v Speaker 1>how important treating each other as human beings is, how important,

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<v Speaker 1>how important allowing people their identities and their cultures and

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<v Speaker 1>ensuring that everyone has a just go at a society

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<v Speaker 1>that we all partake in and share. This should be

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<v Speaker 1>a gigantic red flag. And for folks who have in

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<v Speaker 1>recent months said to us through social media or whatever, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Ronda Santis is you know, he's he's better

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<v Speaker 1>than Trump. He's you know this and that and the other, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever your opinion is on that, I need you to

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<v Speaker 1>understand of his his rise to national prominence and what

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<v Speaker 1>that was built on. That's built on very hateful messaging

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<v Speaker 1>and very divisive messaging. It does not allow for a

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<v Speaker 1>black perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's scary because he's actually better at being a

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<v Speaker 3>politician than his cohort or colleague. Competition now now competition

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump, which gives us an evil and more evil

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<v Speaker 3>as choice, which is scary that just my nature of

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<v Speaker 3>being less competent might be less dangerous, even though I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Not certain that I believe that. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Important to note Rman's poem was not banned, but the

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<v Speaker 3>schools did restrict who could read the material, claiming it

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<v Speaker 3>was better suited for middle school children.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, remember I don't believe the little girl that

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<v Speaker 1>read it was a middle school student. I believe she

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<v Speaker 1>was still in elementary school. But I could be wrong

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<v Speaker 1>on that and feel free to correct me. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>just the way I'm remembering it, and so that restriction

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<v Speaker 1>is not nothing. And of course it's brought that into

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<v Speaker 1>fire under fire and indeed caused us to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>about the zoot Suit Riots. Now. I will warn you

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<v Speaker 1>I pulled these from a few different sources because I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make sure that I could paint this picture

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<v Speaker 1>in a short amount of time. So forgive me if

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<v Speaker 1>you hear a couple of things twice, but I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do my best for you. The Zootsuit Riots were a

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<v Speaker 1>series of riots that took place from June third through

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<v Speaker 1>eighth and nineteen forty three in Los Angeles, California, in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, involving American servicemen stationed in southern California

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<v Speaker 1>and young Latino and Mexican American city residents. It was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the as in wartime industrial cities that suffered

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<v Speaker 1>race related riots in the summer of nineteen forty three,

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<v Speaker 1>along with Mobile Mobile Alabama, Beaumont, Texas, Detroit, Michigan, and

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<v Speaker 1>New York City. So shout out to Los Angeles in

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit one time because me and cure in the building right.

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<v Speaker 1>American servicemen in white Angelinos attacked in stripped children, teenagers

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<v Speaker 1>and youths who wore zoot suits, ostensibly because they considered

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<v Speaker 1>the outfits, which were made from large amounts of fabric,

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<v Speaker 1>to be unpatriotic. During World War Two. Rationing of fabrics

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<v Speaker 1>and certain foods was required at the time for the

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<v Speaker 1>war effort. While most of the violence was directed toward

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican American youth, African American and Filipino American youths were

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<v Speaker 1>also wearing who were wearing zoot suits were also attacked.

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<v Speaker 1>The zootsuit riots were related to fears and hostilities aroused

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<v Speaker 1>by the coverage of the Sleepy Lagoon murder trial following

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<v Speaker 1>the killing of a young Latino man in what was

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<v Speaker 1>then an unincorporated commercial area near Los Angeles. The riot

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to trigger similar attacks that year against Latinos in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego, Oakland, Evansville, Philadelphia, and New York City. The

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<v Speaker 1>defiance of zoot suitors became inspirational for Chicanos during the

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<v Speaker 1>Chicano Movement. One of the first conflicts between sailors and

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<v Speaker 1>zoot suitors was in August nineteen forty two near Chinatown.

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<v Speaker 1>The sailors who trained in the Chavez Ravine went to

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<v Speaker 1>Chinatown on leave. A sailor and his girlfriend were walking

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<v Speaker 1>when four zoot suitters blocked the sidewalk in front of them.

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<v Speaker 1>The zoot suitors refused to let them pass and pushed

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<v Speaker 1>the sailor onto the street. The young zoot suitor and

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<v Speaker 1>the sailors stood their ground in silence until finally the

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<v Speaker 1>sailor backed away. So again, this comes from largely from Wikipedia,

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<v Speaker 1>but a few sources, so feel free to go and

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<v Speaker 1>check out the rest of this. Let me tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what a zootsuit is in case you don't know. Zoot

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<v Speaker 1>Suit fashion found its origin in the urban black scene

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<v Speaker 1>during the nineteen forties. This style of clothing cultivated a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of racial pride and significance. However, the fashion statement

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<v Speaker 1>sued made its to the wardrobes of young Southern California

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican Americans, battalions and Filipinos who became quintessential wares of

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<v Speaker 1>the zoot suit. I want to stop right here. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>from Los Angeles, and while we say the zoot suit

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<v Speaker 1>was borrowed from Black culture, low riding culture was borrowed

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<v Speaker 1>from Latino culture. And I want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>I say as often as I can that we have

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<v Speaker 1>a long history of fellowship between Black people and Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>people that I love. Shout out to my sons, Christian

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<v Speaker 1>and Adanaya, who are both half Mexican, and shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to all my Mexican American brothers and sisters, because we

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<v Speaker 1>have a long history that many of us don't know about.

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<v Speaker 1>And most of us get along fine, but we could

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<v Speaker 1>still do better. Your niece and nephew indeed both half

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<v Speaker 1>black in Mexican, I see you, I Goo and Grayson too,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Oh, and I have other nieces and nephews

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<v Speaker 1>who are as well. All right. The transfer and sharing

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<v Speaker 1>of the zoot suit fashion indicated a growing influence of

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<v Speaker 1>African American popular culture on young Mexican Americans, Italian Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>and Filipino Americans. Additionally, analysis of the Los Angeles zoosuit

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<v Speaker 1>riot and journalists and politicians in the outfits connections with

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<v Speaker 1>race relations, slang, jazz, music, and dance permitted an understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of the politics and social significance of what is trivial

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<v Speaker 1>in itself popular culture and its attendance styles. The zoot

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<v Speaker 1>suit was originally a statement about creating a new wave

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<v Speaker 1>of music and dress, but it also held significant political meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>The flamboyant and colorful material indicated a desire to express

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<v Speaker 1>oneself against the boring and somber slum lifestyle. Zoot suit

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<v Speaker 1>provided young African American and Mexican youth the sense of

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<v Speaker 1>individualistic identity within their cultures and society as they discovered

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<v Speaker 1>highly charged, emotional and symbolic meeting through the movement music

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<v Speaker 1>and dress. The zuts suit typically included bright colored fabric,

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<v Speaker 1>long suit coats that often reached the knees, wide shoulders,

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<v Speaker 1>and gathered or tapered pants. The arm and ankle air

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<v Speaker 1>areas were often much tighter than the rest of the fabric,

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<v Speaker 1>giving the whole look a triangular shape. Do yourself a favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Checkout a zoot suit. They are still fly. On the

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<v Speaker 1>night of June third, nineteen forty three, about eleven sailors

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<v Speaker 1>got off a bus and started walking along Main Street

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<v Speaker 1>in downtown Lacountering a group of young Mexican Americans and

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<v Speaker 1>zoot suits, they got into an argument. The sailors later

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<v Speaker 1>told the LAPED that they were jumped and beaten by

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<v Speaker 1>this gang, while the zoot suitors claimed the alter cator

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<v Speaker 1>was startled by the sailors. The LAPD responded to the incident,

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<v Speaker 1>including many off duty officers who identified as the Vengeance Squad.

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<v Speaker 1>The officers went to the scene, seeking to clean up

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<v Speaker 1>Main Street from what they viewed as the lowesome influence

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<v Speaker 1>of Pachuco gangs. The next day, two hundred sailors got

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<v Speaker 1>a convoy of about twenty taxi cabs and headed for

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<v Speaker 1>East La, the center of Mexican American settlement. The sailors

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<v Speaker 1>spotted a group of young zoot suitors and assaulted them

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<v Speaker 1>with clubs. They stripped the boys of the zoot suits

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<v Speaker 1>and burned the tattered clothes in a pile. There's pictures

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<v Speaker 1>of this. They attacked and stripped everyone they came across

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<v Speaker 1>who were wearing zootsuits. Media coverage of the incidents then

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<v Speaker 1>started to spread, inducing more people to join the mayhem.

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<v Speaker 1>As the riots subsided, the most urgent concern of official

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<v Speaker 1>was relations with Mexico, as the economy of southern California

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<v Speaker 1>relied on the importation of chief Mexican labor to assist

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<v Speaker 1>with the harvesting of California crops. After the Mexican Embassy

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<v Speaker 1>lodged a formal protest with the state department, Governor Earl

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<v Speaker 1>Warren of California ordered the creation of the mcgukin Committee,

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<v Speaker 1>headed by Los Angeles visub Joseph mcgukin, to investigate and

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<v Speaker 1>determine the cause of the riots. In nineteen forty three,

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<v Speaker 1>the committee issued its report. Its determined racism to be

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<v Speaker 1>a central cause of the riots, further stating that it

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<v Speaker 1>was an aggressive practice of the media to link the

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<v Speaker 1>phrase zoot suit with the report of a crime. The

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<v Speaker 1>governor appointed the Peace Officers Committee on Civil Disturbances, chaired

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<v Speaker 1>by Robert W. Kenney Kinney, president of the National Lawyer's Guilt,

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<v Speaker 1>to make recommendations to the police. Human relations committees were appointed,

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<v Speaker 1>and police departments were required to train their officers to

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<v Speaker 1>treat all citizens equally. Mayor Fletcher Bawrun downplayed the role

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<v Speaker 1>racial prejudice played in the riots and blamed Mexican youth

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<v Speaker 1>gangs Of course, later scholars generally characterized the zoot Suit

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<v Speaker 1>Riots as a polgrim against the Mexican American community. Many

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<v Speaker 1>post war civil rights activists and authors, such as Luis Valdez,

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<v Speaker 1>Ralph Ellison, and Richard Wright have said they were inspired

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<v Speaker 1>by the zoot Suit Riots. Caesar Chabez and Malcolm X

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<v Speaker 1>were both zoot suitors as young men and later became

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<v Speaker 1>political activists. So again the way Black History fact doing

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<v Speaker 1>our best to talk about other issues in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>This one highlights a very very very very small elements

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<v Speaker 1>of the rich tapestry of what it is our Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>American brothers and sisters of wan through in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're glad to have shared it with you today.

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