1
00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:13,920
Speaker 1: Wow, Hey everybody, It's Thursday, March twenty six, twenty twenty six.

2
00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,520
Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. You can buy

3
00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,319
Speaker 2: us some peanuts and cracker Jack. It's being your Man

4
00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,360
Speaker 2: named g Marcus Grand joined by Michael Floyo and Lakwan Jones.

5
00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,040
Speaker 2: Happy opening Day to all who celebrate one of the

6
00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:26,480
Speaker 2: best days on the sporting calendar.

7
00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,160
Speaker 3: Baseball is back. I know where a fantasy football podcast.

8
00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,080
Speaker 2: Don't care this is it's it's It's as much a

9
00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,040
Speaker 2: national sporting holiday as anything in this country.

10
00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,760
Speaker 4: We talk soccer, we talk football, we talk baseball, we

11
00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,519
Speaker 4: talk pretty much everything we do.

12
00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,320
Speaker 5: We're gonna get Lakwan into baseball in these next couple

13
00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:42,800
Speaker 5: of months.

14
00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,000
Speaker 2: You like, buy os Moses, Like we're gonna bring you,

15
00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,279
Speaker 2: kicking and screaming into this.

16
00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,920
Speaker 3: Like you don't really have a choice because you're on

17
00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,680
Speaker 3: this show. That's gonna happen.

18
00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,360
Speaker 4: I mean, it's you, it's Florio, it's my son. It's

19
00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,720
Speaker 4: like he wants baseball cards now. He's pushing into my face.

20
00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,200
Speaker 4: He he wants to play now, and I'm like, dude,

21
00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:01,000
Speaker 4: what are you doing?

22
00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,760
Speaker 6: Man? We're locked in on soccer. Man.

23
00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,800
Speaker 5: I feel like this is the perfect opportunity for you

24
00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,120
Speaker 5: to become a baseball fan. You got to get it

25
00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,320
Speaker 5: on the ground level with him. It's something you guys

26
00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:11,160
Speaker 5: have in common.

27
00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,520
Speaker 4: The Dodgers, man, I know, I do like the Dodgers.

28
00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:16,080
Speaker 3: I know.

29
00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,080
Speaker 2: I mean in the other part of it's like week

30
00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,959
Speaker 2: Because so for everybody who doesn't know the the whole

31
00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,080
Speaker 2: evolution of this is, you know, as a couple of

32
00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,720
Speaker 2: years ago, like Lakwan had never had a strawberry. Then

33
00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,800
Speaker 2: we got him to eat one on the show, and

34
00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,200
Speaker 2: it became a whole thing. And then he learned that

35
00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,440
Speaker 2: there was once a player named Darryl Strawberry, which is

36
00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,319
Speaker 2: from the Mets, played for the Mets, played for the Dodgers,

37
00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,800
Speaker 2: was from Los Angeles, and so then he became like

38
00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,800
Speaker 2: that was like your favorite player. But like now we

39
00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,640
Speaker 2: got we gotta bring you into the twenty first century

40
00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,840
Speaker 2: of baseball because like there's a lot of there's a

41
00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:49,520
Speaker 2: lot of dudes.

42
00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:49,920
Speaker 3: Man.

43
00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,760
Speaker 4: When I was watching Albert Polholtz are still on the

44
00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,680
Speaker 4: Saint Louis Cardinals, I mean that's you know ages.

45
00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,280
Speaker 2: A minute, all right, all right, now he's now trying

46
00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,680
Speaker 2: to become a manager. He's doing Netflix pregame shows. Now,

47
00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,919
Speaker 2: like that's where we're That's where we're at with Albert Kuhles.

48
00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:10,320
Speaker 7: Okay, look, I will just say to anyone watching on

49
00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,919
Speaker 7: the video, if you see my eyes kind of look away,

50
00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,720
Speaker 7: it's Paul Skeens versus Freddy Peralta on Opening Day.

51
00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,840
Speaker 8: I gotta check in here or there.

52
00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:18,600
Speaker 3: Not gonna lie.

53
00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,920
Speaker 2: I do have it on here to my left as well,

54
00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,000
Speaker 2: so we will see how how distracted.

55
00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,240
Speaker 3: We may or may not be during the course of

56
00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:25,720
Speaker 3: this show.

57
00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,760
Speaker 2: Anyway, the bigger point for this show today is we

58
00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,560
Speaker 2: are about a month away from the NFL Draft starting,

59
00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,320
Speaker 2: So I figure we talked some sort of early draft

60
00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,760
Speaker 2: fantasy wishless like where we would like to see some

61
00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,080
Speaker 2: of these guys go to possibly maximize their fantasy value

62
00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,560
Speaker 2: in their rookie seasons. Now I broke this into the

63
00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,120
Speaker 2: four main positions quarterback, running back, wide receiver, tight end.

64
00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,239
Speaker 2: I listed five guys in each of these categories. Now,

65
00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,720
Speaker 2: there may not be five guys that really have or

66
00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,760
Speaker 2: going to have fantasy relevance in each of these categories,

67
00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,320
Speaker 2: Like I mean, really, are we gonna go five deep

68
00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,520
Speaker 2: at tight end? Yeah, I'm not exclaining that, you know,

69
00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,080
Speaker 2: are we really gonna go five deep and quarterback even?

70
00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,440
Speaker 2: I mean, there are five names that are recognizable if

71
00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,080
Speaker 2: you follow college football, but when it comes to what

72
00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,560
Speaker 2: they do in the NFL, it might not be that deep.

73
00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,240
Speaker 2: So there are twenty names here. If we get through

74
00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,919
Speaker 2: all twenty names, that might be a little bit of

75
00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,200
Speaker 2: an upset. The other part of this is it's still

76
00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,440
Speaker 2: late March, and what we think now will probably change

77
00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,440
Speaker 2: over the next couple of weeks, especially as we dig

78
00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,320
Speaker 2: more into some of these prospects and kind of try

79
00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,200
Speaker 2: to figure out best fits and that sort of thing. So,

80
00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,640
Speaker 2: you know, all things to sort of keep in mind

81
00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,680
Speaker 2: as we go through the show today. But want to

82
00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:52,200
Speaker 2: start with a piece of news, question Mark.

83
00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,920
Speaker 3: There's no actual news. It's just chatter and rumor this

84
00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:57,600
Speaker 3: time of year.

85
00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,880
Speaker 2: But if you want to call this news, the Bengals

86
00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,040
Speaker 2: are bringing back Joe Flacco one year six.

87
00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,000
Speaker 3: For Joe Flacco, I know, to your big Jersey guy,

88
00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,160
Speaker 3: Big Jersey.

89
00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,560
Speaker 2: But he followed that up by I was gonna read

90
00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,760
Speaker 2: the headline Flacco blasts quote dumb teams who didn't offer

91
00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,520
Speaker 2: him a chance to start, which I uh, what.

92
00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:25,480
Speaker 4: He's filling his self.

93
00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:28,919
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, sure.

94
00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,120
Speaker 2: So I mean, all right, so I'm gonna ask you

95
00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,919
Speaker 2: to stand up for your jersey guy.

96
00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:33,360
Speaker 3: Here La Kwan.

97
00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you look around the NFL, how many teams

98
00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,160
Speaker 2: do you reasonably believe Joe Flacco could start.

99
00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:40,560
Speaker 3: For this year?

100
00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:42,240
Speaker 6: There's like a handful.

101
00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,120
Speaker 4: Like, let's be honest, he could step into the Raiders

102
00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,920
Speaker 4: locker room right now and command that room. Even when

103
00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:49,440
Speaker 4: you look.

104
00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,919
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be the best quarterback in the organization. That dude.

105
00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,880
Speaker 3: That dude' actually signing the checks and playing flag football

106
00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:55,520
Speaker 3: on the weekends.

107
00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,640
Speaker 4: This guy's like flirting with coming back, by the way,

108
00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,839
Speaker 4: which is why, like Broh, stay retired. We don't need

109
00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,040
Speaker 4: to come back. But I honestly think there's like a

110
00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,640
Speaker 4: handful of teams Joe can come out here and sling

111
00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,599
Speaker 4: it win a couple of games, and for fantasy, I know,

112
00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,719
Speaker 4: we like when Joe was getting Jamar Chase a lot

113
00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,720
Speaker 4: of targets, Like there was a game he had twenty

114
00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,520
Speaker 4: three targets. There was force feeding and again breaking news

115
00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,839
Speaker 4: right now, what I'm about to drop, I'm adjusting the

116
00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,679
Speaker 4: rankings with this signing. I'm putting Jamar Chase over Puka

117
00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,960
Speaker 4: Nakua and that is real. That is really because Joe is.

118
00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,719
Speaker 3: Not gonna be the QB in Week one.

119
00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,640
Speaker 4: But listen, if Joe Burrow at any point goes down,

120
00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,640
Speaker 4: we know there is going to be no drop off

121
00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,520
Speaker 4: with Joe Flacco. He averaged twenty fantasy points per game

122
00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,599
Speaker 4: with Joe Flacco last year in those five games, four games, whatever.

123
00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,240
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, I'm like, if

124
00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,159
Speaker 4: there's an injury, if there's no Stafford, if there's no

125
00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,360
Speaker 4: Pukah hisself, which he has an injury history, I think

126
00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,160
Speaker 4: I feel a lot more safer with Jamar Chase.

127
00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the injury history is what's going to worry about Pookah.

128
00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:02,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, So.

129
00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,880
Speaker 3: We're just letting that go. Else We're just We're just

130
00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,080
Speaker 3: we're letting that go I guess.

131
00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,640
Speaker 2: So, I mean, look, I don't I don't have any

132
00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:15,839
Speaker 2: beef with you putting.

133
00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,840
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase number one.

134
00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,040
Speaker 2: I do have a little bit of question about your

135
00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,520
Speaker 2: logic because if I mean, if that were the case,

136
00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,320
Speaker 2: then justin Jefferson goes over Pooka and Akua, right, because

137
00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,760
Speaker 2: if that's what if you're basing it on what happens

138
00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,320
Speaker 2: if the starting quarterback goes down, well then Puoka falls right,

139
00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,080
Speaker 2: Like I think when you look.

140
00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,160
Speaker 4: At Justin Jefferson, it's more scarier because we don't know

141
00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,799
Speaker 4: anything about Kyler in that uniform.

142
00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,440
Speaker 2: Right now, Kyler goes down, I take Carson Wentz, McCarthy,

143
00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:47,720
Speaker 2: we have Carson Wentz.

144
00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:49,760
Speaker 3: I take Carson.

145
00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,000
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, I mean, with

146
00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,680
Speaker 4: the logic here, it's like, I know Jamar Chase has

147
00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,479
Speaker 4: shown dourability. I know Joe Flacco to come in there

148
00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,560
Speaker 4: and elevate his wide receive or so whatever team he's on.

149
00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,400
Speaker 4: I just feel as though Jamar Chase feels a lot

150
00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,760
Speaker 4: safer than a Pooka Nakua with you know, the elephantor

151
00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,880
Speaker 4: from right now and again with a lot of you

152
00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,920
Speaker 4: know the injury history. So I just feel a little

153
00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,040
Speaker 4: bit more better taking Chase off the board than a

154
00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:16,680
Speaker 4: Pooka Nakoua.

155
00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,440
Speaker 8: Right now, I'm proud. I'm gonna give the qualan. This

156
00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,760
Speaker 8: is this is growth. I feel like, you know, like.

157
00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,800
Speaker 2: You are right, you are correct, You're absolutely right, So

158
00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,160
Speaker 2: we should we should acknowledge that.

159
00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:28,760
Speaker 8: MG.

160
00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,720
Speaker 5: To go back to your original question, what teams could

161
00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,960
Speaker 5: he have started for? I think there's two. The issue

162
00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,840
Speaker 5: is you've already started for them in recent history, right, Jets,

163
00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:46,120
Speaker 5: And that's it. That's it, Like what realistically, you're not

164
00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,080
Speaker 5: starting over like Jacoby Brissett. The Falcons aren't starting you,

165
00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,200
Speaker 5: even though I feel like in his head he might

166
00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,440
Speaker 5: think he's better than Tua and Michael Pennock Junior. But

167
00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,320
Speaker 5: they're not going to turn the team over to a

168
00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:04,320
Speaker 5: veteran like Flacco. Uh, Bills, Panthers, Bears, Bengals, Cowboys, Broncos.

169
00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:05,920
Speaker 5: Tell me when I say a team that you think

170
00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,360
Speaker 5: he could start for the Lions, Packers, Texans, Colts, Jags, Chiefs,

171
00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,960
Speaker 5: Raiders with Mendoza, Chargers, Rams, Dolphins with Malik Willis, Vikings

172
00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:22,880
Speaker 5: with Kyler, Patriots, Saints, Giants, Eagles, Steelers, forty nine Ers, Seahawks, Bucks, Titans, Commander.

173
00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,880
Speaker 8: Every team has a starter except.

174
00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,240
Speaker 5: For the two that you've already burned those bridges. That's

175
00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:29,320
Speaker 5: why you're not starting.

176
00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,480
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I look, I saw that. I just was like, look,

177
00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,880
Speaker 2: I get it. You pumped yourself up, right, I get that,

178
00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,160
Speaker 2: But I'm like, come on, man, we gotta be real here.

179
00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,679
Speaker 3: Sometimes a man's got to those limitations the right.

180
00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,679
Speaker 8: He's like Gino Smith started for the Jets.

181
00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,080
Speaker 3: Too, like.

182
00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,840
Speaker 2: I do wonder like whether or not he's like, hey, man,

183
00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,800
Speaker 2: I can I can beat out Gino in a competition.

184
00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,040
Speaker 3: I do think there's something.

185
00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,240
Speaker 4: There's a couple of teams that you named that he

186
00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,880
Speaker 4: probably takes in his head he can beat out. I mean, honestly,

187
00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,120
Speaker 4: when you look at the Saints as Tyler shuck their guy.

188
00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,640
Speaker 4: I mean publicly they have said that, I know our guy,

189
00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,319
Speaker 4: Chris o'lave as co signed him, but I'm pretty sure

190
00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,800
Speaker 4: he was looking under war ands like yo, I can

191
00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,640
Speaker 4: go down there and get it active, la, what's up?

192
00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,439
Speaker 3: But also the number.

193
00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,720
Speaker 5: Of teams that I think he might be better than

194
00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,959
Speaker 5: or or he could feel he's better than this starter,

195
00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,680
Speaker 5: but he's the starters are twenty years younger than him.

196
00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,760
Speaker 5: So they're gonna they're gonna go and see what they

197
00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,840
Speaker 5: have in the young guy and not in a one

198
00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,040
Speaker 5: year bridge quarterback.

199
00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,120
Speaker 2: That's the thing is that maybe if we're just going

200
00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,160
Speaker 2: on ability, like maybe there's an argument that he's as

201
00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,920
Speaker 2: good as some of these guys, but the forty one

202
00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,959
Speaker 2: year old part of it is nobody's going to invest

203
00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,800
Speaker 2: in you knowing that they're gonna have to redo this

204
00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:44,720
Speaker 2: whole process.

205
00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,760
Speaker 3: In a year, and I think that is the reason.

206
00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,320
Speaker 2: At some point, you know, like I get it, you

207
00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,760
Speaker 2: still think you got a game, Like that's fine, good

208
00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,839
Speaker 2: believing yourself, but understand the situation.

209
00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:56,560
Speaker 3: Man.

210
00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,120
Speaker 5: There are a number of quarterbacks out there, like our

211
00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,120
Speaker 5: cousins is I think is gonna wait for a camp

212
00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,280
Speaker 5: injury or something like that, but like what happens. I

213
00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,120
Speaker 5: think Anthony Richardson could be a draft day trade or

214
00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,280
Speaker 5: like draft week trade, and like who's gonna go after him?

215
00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,719
Speaker 5: You know, like there's there's still quarterbacks of that's the

216
00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,480
Speaker 5: issue is like elite quarterbacks, it's a very finite number,

217
00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,240
Speaker 5: but like quality quarterbacks, Like I feel like it's deeper

218
00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,520
Speaker 5: than ever now. So all these guys that want to

219
00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,080
Speaker 5: start end up a lot of them aren't happy.

220
00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,480
Speaker 2: So that kind of leads me to the other thing

221
00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,120
Speaker 2: that was on my mind when I was reading this

222
00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:40,280
Speaker 2: was deeper, I guess in terms of your backup quarterbacks

223
00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,200
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing.

224
00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,800
Speaker 3: But like, is it deeper or there's just a lot

225
00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:46,160
Speaker 3: of them?

226
00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,000
Speaker 2: Because if we're talking about a forty one year old

227
00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,080
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco who's been middling the last couple of years, right,

228
00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,120
Speaker 2: he had that moment he had.

229
00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,360
Speaker 3: That short stretch with Cleveland where he was made ish.

230
00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,839
Speaker 6: Five games were mackin.

231
00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:06,560
Speaker 2: But that's the point, Jam Hamlin, Right, it was it

232
00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,720
Speaker 2: was five games, right, It was a really short stretch.

233
00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,920
Speaker 3: And then he went to Indianapolis and he was bad.

234
00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,920
Speaker 2: And then he went to Cincinnati and he was I

235
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,240
Speaker 2: think we graded him on a curve in Cincinnati right

236
00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,080
Speaker 2: where he wasn't necessarily good, but he was good for

237
00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,720
Speaker 2: what we expected of him. And they went to you know,

238
00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,440
Speaker 2: back to Cleveland again and was again bad.

239
00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:32,600
Speaker 3: You know, just so.

240
00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,480
Speaker 2: But but the fact is teams are still taking a

241
00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,880
Speaker 2: chance on him. We still believe teams are gonna take

242
00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,520
Speaker 2: a chance on Kirk Cousins, who the last time we

243
00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,560
Speaker 2: saw him it was un goood. It just was straight

244
00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,600
Speaker 2: up un good with Kirk Cousins. And so that made

245
00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,480
Speaker 2: me believe, like, do we have a quarterback development problem

246
00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,480
Speaker 2: in the league?

247
00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,400
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I don't even know.

248
00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,240
Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean maybe it does.

249
00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,560
Speaker 5: Coaches used to care about developing players. Now it's all

250
00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,120
Speaker 5: about how many games can you win me this year?

251
00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,400
Speaker 2: Well, because because now, and like without getting in a

252
00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,840
Speaker 2: whole big nil transfer portal conversation, it's also because there's

253
00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,559
Speaker 2: a good chance head quarterback might not be there next year, right,

254
00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,000
Speaker 2: so you don't you don't necessarily get three or four

255
00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,480
Speaker 2: years when they quarterback like you.

256
00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:21,800
Speaker 3: Used to in a college system.

257
00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,640
Speaker 2: But I also think what hurts is we now have

258
00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,440
Speaker 2: an NFL system where you know, through CBA negotiations and

259
00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,520
Speaker 2: guys on some level wanting to protect themselves, Like we

260
00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,560
Speaker 2: have less practice time in the offseason, right, like we

261
00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,239
Speaker 2: really condensed OTAs in mini camps. We have a preseason

262
00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,640
Speaker 2: where it's just like we're not really working to get

263
00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,520
Speaker 2: guys work necessarily, like we're just throwing them in.

264
00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:51,960
Speaker 3: And we're just trying to see what they got.

265
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,840
Speaker 2: So it's like the the calendar has become condensed in

266
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,559
Speaker 2: terms of where guys are working. So you're not getting

267
00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,280
Speaker 2: reps for your second team quarterback as much as you

268
00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:01,720
Speaker 2: used to.

269
00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,000
Speaker 3: And so now you throw a guy in there and

270
00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,160
Speaker 3: if you got it, you just got it.

271
00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,440
Speaker 2: And if you don't, you're getting shipped somewhere else because

272
00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,120
Speaker 2: you're not getting time to actually work on what you

273
00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,560
Speaker 2: do because you're just not getting reps.

274
00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:18,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we have fewer really good quarterbacks, Like

275
00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:19,839
Speaker 5: there's only a handful of those.

276
00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,720
Speaker 8: But I think after the like fringe.

277
00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,679
Speaker 5: Starters, Like there's a lot of them, you know, like

278
00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,520
Speaker 5: you can squint hard enough and convin there's also a

279
00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,080
Speaker 5: lot of I think, high quality backups. Like I know

280
00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,880
Speaker 5: people are sick of Justin Fields, but I think he's

281
00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,000
Speaker 5: a very high Like if you need to throw Justin

282
00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,960
Speaker 5: Fields out there in a pinch, it doesn't feel like

283
00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,360
Speaker 5: your season's over. Whereas like, you know, like if like

284
00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,680
Speaker 5: as a Bills fan, if Kyle Allen is coming into

285
00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,640
Speaker 5: to play yps, it feels like this is over.

286
00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:50,080
Speaker 3: You know.

287
00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,120
Speaker 2: It's also why it takes the Sam Darnold's of the

288
00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,959
Speaker 2: world as long as it did for them to blossom, right.

289
00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,320
Speaker 3: I mean, he shows up in the NFL.

290
00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,120
Speaker 2: Obviously, he lands in a bad situation with the Jets

291
00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,080
Speaker 2: after they kick him to the curve. He sort of

292
00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,480
Speaker 2: has to bounce around for a few years to find

293
00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,400
Speaker 2: an opportunity, and by then he had enough reps that

294
00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,600
Speaker 2: he was sort of ready to go. And I feel

295
00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,600
Speaker 2: like Sam Darnold is more the rule than the exception

296
00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,960
Speaker 2: of guys that it takes a handful of years to

297
00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,320
Speaker 2: actually figure playing quarterback in the NFL is really hard.

298
00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,640
Speaker 3: It's what takes most.

299
00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,600
Speaker 2: Guys position, feel right, I think of all the sports,

300
00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,200
Speaker 2: it is the hardest singular position to play, oh by far.

301
00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,200
Speaker 2: So not everybody's gonna walk in and be great right away,

302
00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,280
Speaker 2: and so like just because we just don't give these

303
00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,200
Speaker 2: guys time to develop, like I you know, was it

304
00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,240
Speaker 2: was it Kevin O'Connell who recently said, you know, NFL

305
00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,600
Speaker 2: young NFL quarterbacks don't fail, it's the teams that fail them,

306
00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,360
Speaker 2: which is hilarious considering, well.

307
00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, might might want to walk that back after after

308
00:14:58,720 --> 00:14:59,920
Speaker 3: what happened. He's not.

309
00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,560
Speaker 8: I don't think he's wrong at all.

310
00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,520
Speaker 5: I think the players always get the blame, but a

311
00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,480
Speaker 5: lot of it is where you land and how you

312
00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,200
Speaker 5: get developed.

313
00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,480
Speaker 8: But yeah, that now is not the top read the room.

314
00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:10,280
Speaker 6: You know.

315
00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he said it before the whole JJ

316
00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,320
Speaker 2: McCarthy situation, But I do wonder if he wants to

317
00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,120
Speaker 2: kind of walk that back a little bit. I mean, look,

318
00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,200
Speaker 2: is Patrick Mahomes the same player if he's drafted by

319
00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,760
Speaker 2: the Jets or the Browns? Yeah, are we talking about

320
00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,040
Speaker 2: him in the same kind of way or is it

321
00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,400
Speaker 2: just like, why is this dude making underhand throws with

322
00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:30,080
Speaker 2: his left hand?

323
00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,720
Speaker 3: Like what is he doing? Stupid.

324
00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just a whole different situation, different weapons too,

325
00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,560
Speaker 2: and opportunities and coaching stat Yeah, that's all of a

326
00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,400
Speaker 2: formula that sounds kind of bad.

327
00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,600
Speaker 6: And if Patrick Rollins day right, I'm.

328
00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,080
Speaker 5: Really annoyed Chiefs fans for a while by saying I

329
00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,720
Speaker 5: think the difference between like Mahomes and the other top

330
00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,960
Speaker 5: tier quarterbacks in this league are one of the best

331
00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,600
Speaker 5: coach in the league, one of the best gms in

332
00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,120
Speaker 5: the league, the best tight end ever, an elite wide

333
00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,760
Speaker 5: receiver for half his run, a top tier defense, maybe

334
00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,680
Speaker 5: the best DC of all time. I'm like, it is

335
00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,440
Speaker 5: the best supporting cast in football.

336
00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,360
Speaker 2: I mean, as much as you know, I'm a forty

337
00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:14,000
Speaker 2: nine er fan, and yeah, I know Tom Brady tom Brady.

338
00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,920
Speaker 2: Tom Brady grew up as a forty nine er fan.

339
00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,920
Speaker 2: But I'm like, if they drafted him, would he have

340
00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,080
Speaker 2: been Giovanni Carmazzi instead?

341
00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,160
Speaker 8: If you put you know who Giovanni is thirty one other.

342
00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,080
Speaker 3: Teams, there's your answer.

343
00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:32,600
Speaker 4: Who is that?

344
00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

345
00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:33,640
Speaker 8: I don't either.

346
00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,120
Speaker 2: He was one of the guys drafted ahead of Tom Brady.

347
00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,120
Speaker 2: He was one of those quarterbacks drafted and the Niners

348
00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:46,440
Speaker 2: took him where did they him. They drafted him third round.

349
00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,440
Speaker 2: He was the sixty fifth overall pick. It took him

350
00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,280
Speaker 2: in the third round, ahead of you know, one of

351
00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,320
Speaker 2: the many guys to take ahead of Tom Brady. But

352
00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,840
Speaker 2: at the time, the Niners were kind of a dumpster fire, right,

353
00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,520
Speaker 2: and Geo Carmazzi never really got a real shot. He

354
00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,080
Speaker 2: flamed back, and I'm like, you know, if Tom Brady

355
00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,080
Speaker 2: went to the Niners at that point in his life,

356
00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,760
Speaker 2: we might not be might not hurt of the dude

357
00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:13,280
Speaker 2: just saying, oh god, anyway, uh wait, no, you should

358
00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:14,400
Speaker 2: have you should have wanted that.

359
00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,800
Speaker 5: No, no, he's saying, thank god it didn't go that way,

360
00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,480
Speaker 5: so that he ended up getting as much Tom Brady

361
00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:20,879
Speaker 5: as we have.

362
00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,879
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean honestly liked.

363
00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,479
Speaker 3: I know you were Tom Brady stand like that.

364
00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,159
Speaker 4: I like Tom Brady when he went to the Bucks. Like,

365
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,240
Speaker 4: the more personality, you know, the more like I agree.

366
00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,520
Speaker 8: I hated how Tom.

367
00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,160
Speaker 2: That's why the longer we get the longer we get

368
00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,639
Speaker 2: this version of Tom, the less I think it's actually Tom.

369
00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:45,159
Speaker 5: I think I think it well, I think it's midlife

370
00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,359
Speaker 5: crisis Tom right now.

371
00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that could be too.

372
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,160
Speaker 4: I want to get back in the game.

373
00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:49,920
Speaker 3: That could be true.

374
00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,800
Speaker 2: Anyway, we're talking about some other quarterbacks that may or

375
00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,439
Speaker 2: may not have as much more less personality than Tom Brady,

376
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,280
Speaker 2: and uh may most likely will have less success in

377
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,160
Speaker 2: the NFL than Tom, but that doesn't mean they can't

378
00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,680
Speaker 2: still be good. We talk some quarterbacks on the other

379
00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:09,679
Speaker 2: side here on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. All right,

380
00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,879
Speaker 2: so talk me a little draft wish list in the

381
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,680
Speaker 2: fantasy perspective. And I broke this down, as I mentioned,

382
00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,040
Speaker 2: into the four main skill position categories, sort of put

383
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,640
Speaker 2: them in order based on the rankings of Lance Zerline.

384
00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,879
Speaker 2: You can find those at NFL dot com. And again,

385
00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,840
Speaker 2: we may not need to go quite as deep on

386
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,879
Speaker 2: some of these positions, but we'll start a quarterback and

387
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,880
Speaker 2: might as well start at the top with Fernando Mendoza.

388
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,000
Speaker 3: We know where he's going. He's going to the rate.

389
00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,560
Speaker 8: Unless his ball steals his job.

390
00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,160
Speaker 3: All right. I was about to say unless man, unless

391
00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:54,160
Speaker 3: his boss steals his job or the Raiders trade out

392
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 3: of the first positions. No chance.

393
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,879
Speaker 2: Which for the Raiders to drop out of that number

394
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,560
Speaker 2: one spot, Like I think somebody have to offer them,

395
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,000
Speaker 2: like all the gold and Fort Knox plus a steak

396
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,520
Speaker 2: dinner at three nights, stay at the lake.

397
00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,680
Speaker 3: Tom coming out to hum and we're good. You want

398
00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 3: to take whatever? So he's going to the Raiders.

399
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, do you guys have another place where

400
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,320
Speaker 2: you think, like, hey man, for Adam should go here

401
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,440
Speaker 2: and it would be cool, Like, is there any other

402
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:29,679
Speaker 2: point to this conversation?

403
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,439
Speaker 5: Nope, because it just doesn't feel realistic, you know, like

404
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:34,359
Speaker 5: I would like it.

405
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,400
Speaker 8: Would he play over Joe Flacco? Probably?

406
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,119
Speaker 5: There's certain other teams that I think might be a

407
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,360
Speaker 5: better landing spot, like yeah, put him on Atlanta.

408
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 8: But it's just not He's gonna be a Raider.

409
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,680
Speaker 2: You know what would make this whole conversation a lot

410
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 2: more interesting if we abolish the draft, Like literally, if

411
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 2: we if we didn't have a draft, and we just

412
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,400
Speaker 2: had rookie free agency and we just said, on whatever,

413
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,639
Speaker 2: April whatever data draft ares like April twenty third, rookie

414
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,160
Speaker 2: free agency is open, right, we could spend the next

415
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 2: couple of weeks figuring out, hey man, Fernanda Mendozo is

416
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 2: a good fit for insert offenseire that hey man, this

417
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 2: team has some money in their rookie salary cap that

418
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,399
Speaker 2: they can sign a guy like Fernando Mendoza.

419
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 3: They could bring him in.

420
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 2: It'd be an interesting Like think about it this way,

421
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 2: what do you guys enjoy doing more snake drafts or

422
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 2: auction drafts?

423
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 6: Oh? Snake?

424
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,479
Speaker 5: I like auction, but I only do a hand like

425
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 5: one or two because they take so long.

426
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, but if we're talking about the NFL, it's

427
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,160
Speaker 2: not about the NFL. You got three days to do

428
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 2: this stuff, right, Like, Yeah, we get annoyed because it's like,

429
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 2: hey man, like after an hour, I want to go eat,

430
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 2: Like that's that's why we.

431
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:45,479
Speaker 3: Get annoyed with it.

432
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 2: But having an auction draft gives you a better shot

433
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 2: at the guys you really want. You gotta plan and

434
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 2: adjust and budget, but you can do it as opposed

435
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:57,439
Speaker 2: to a snake draft.

436
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 3: You just know there's a handful of guys that you

437
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 3: just don't have a shot at.

438
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 2: Like if you're in the tenth spot, you know you

439
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 2: don't have a shot at Puka, you don't have a

440
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 2: shot at Jean Robinson.

441
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 3: You just take those guys completely off your board. In

442
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 3: an auction draft, you at least have a shot at it.

443
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 2: But like now, basically what we have is the equivalent

444
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,199
Speaker 2: of a snake draft in the NFL, and there's but

445
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 2: they it seemed that.

446
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,120
Speaker 3: At the bottom they don't snake. Could you imagine that.

447
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 2: The Seahawks just got back to back picks you want

448
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 2: to start the second round. But essentially there's there's somebody

449
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 2: probably into the bottom part of the draft for who

450
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 2: f den Mindoza might actually be a good fit, but

451
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: there's zero chance and he's gonna land there. And so

452
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: the conversation is boring because we'll, like, you guys's gonna

453
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: be a raider.

454
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,719
Speaker 4: Let's move on, ladies and gentlemen. This was the Marcus

455
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 4: Hateless segment.

456
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: We got a whole we got a whole month of

457
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: a draft that has very little sizzle to it, and like,

458
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 2: this conversation may happen again because like there's not a

459
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 2: lot of sizzle to this draft, so we gotta we

460
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 2: gotta manufacture things to talk about, like.

461
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 4: If we want to make it entertaining, like I think

462
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 4: we should have like a secret draft, like a silent draft.

463
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 4: And then week one we see who's coming out of

464
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 4: that tunnel and be like, oh my god, is that

465
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 4: is that? Is that Jordan Tyson's music?

466
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 3: And then you.

467
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 4: Know, he'd be a ram and I'd be like, yo,

468
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 4: I'm super hyped for this season right now.

469
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 2: I think we could do it sort of like how

470
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: you have high school recruits right where they sit at

471
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: a table and they have like hats, like three to five.

472
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 3: Hats in front of him.

473
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 2: So like Mendoza is sitting there and he's got a

474
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 2: Raider hat and he's got like a Dolphin hat, and

475
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: he's got a Jets hat and you know, and you're

476
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: just like, you know, or he's got like a Buccaneers hat,

477
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you know whatever, and he's just like he

478
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: puts on the Bucks hat. He's like, I'm coming for

479
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield's job. Like that would be interesting, right, Yeah,

480
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: gotta be way more interesting.

481
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 8: A kid in the Cam Newton commercial.

482
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: So much more interesting than hearing rich Eisen Philibuster for

483
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 2: ten minutes for her to hear the Raiders call the

484
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: name that we've known for three months.

485
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 4: I got a call the pick, is it?

486
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 5: I am excited about Fernando Mendoza, though to spin it

487
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 5: in that direction like I I think if he was

488
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 5: in last year's class, he might have been the first

489
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 5: pick as well the two years ago class. I'm not

490
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 5: going to say he would be, because I really love

491
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 5: that quarterback class, but him and cam Ward would have

492
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 5: been a very heated debate. I think, like, I think

493
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 5: Mendoz is that good.

494
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: I think he's the best quarterback in this class.

495
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 2: I think he is. I think his career is as

496
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: a middling NFL starter. I think he's an okay career.

497
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 2: But I think he's going to be better than anybody

498
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 2: else in this class.

499
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 4: I mean, at least he's coming in with no competition,

500
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 4: so he's going to get the reps in time and start,

501
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 4: and then you got an amazing running back. They didn't

502
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 4: do much at wide receiver other than Jalen Taylor, so

503
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 4: it's kind of like year two only year three right.

504
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 5: Like they're going to add a receiver in this class.

505
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 5: Well see, but uh Rock powers to the moon?

506
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: Maybe h for sure? Yes, all right, now they get

507
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 3: that out of the way.

508
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: The guy who's become the lightning rod here in this

509
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 2: draft class Ty Simpson, who again I think is the

510
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: clear cut number two of this class.

511
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 3: The argument I.

512
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: Think amongst the draft industrial complex is what is the

513
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: gap between Fernando Mendoza and Ty Simpson? For some people,

514
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: it is a notable chasm for some people. You know,

515
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: he might be able to reach out and touch Mendoza

516
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 2: on the shoulder. I guess, Florid, you'r yeah. I don't

517
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: know your thoughts on Simpson. I don't know how much you've

518
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: dug into him, but your thoughts on kind of the

519
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: Ty Simpson conversation, the hype, and any idea of you.

520
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 3: Know where he could go.

521
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 2: Is he even a fantasy relevant guy in twenty twenty six?

522
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 8: I don't think so. I do like Simpson. I haven't.

523
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 5: I won't say I've watched every quarterback in this class yet,

524
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 5: but I did sit down this week and watch a

525
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 5: few of his games, and I like what I saw

526
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 5: right Like I I think he's got really good presence

527
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 5: in the pocket, Like he has a good sense for

528
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 5: when pressure is coming in and when he has to

529
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 5: get rid of the ball, he can use his legs

530
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 5: a bit to evade pressure. He's not really a mobile quarterback,

531
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 5: like he's he's not a statue. But you're not drafting

532
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 5: him for what he does with his legs, you know,

533
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 5: so because of that, I do think he has a

534
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 5: really strong arm. He could throw the ball like fifty

535
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 5: yards with just like a flick of the wrist.

536
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 8: I think, yeah, yeah, just went over them and and.

537
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 5: He could literally he put yeah, like puts the ball

538
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,959
Speaker 5: on the rope. I I there's a lot that I

539
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 5: liked with him. Uh what I And he's not afraid

540
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 5: to throw into like tight windows anything like that. I

541
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 5: think he's though purely a pocket passer. I think pressure

542
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 5: can when it when he doesn't feel it. I think that,

543
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 5: uh is a big issue. And I just don't think

544
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 5: he has that, like I talk about it this time

545
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 5: of year a lot like I think some players have

546
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 5: it and some don't, where they're just playmakers.

547
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 8: I don't think Ty Simpson is that.

548
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 5: I think he he's the kind of quarterback who will

549
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 5: read a defense, take what is given to him, not

550
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 5: afraid to air it out at times.

551
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: Uh.

552
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 5: The name that I wrote down while watching him play,

553
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 5: I usually I tend to write like a floor name

554
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 5: and a ceiling name, like for Mendoza, I wrote Kirk

555
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 5: Cousin slash Matt ryan Ish like and then I was like,

556
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 5: if he if everything goes right, he reminded me of

557
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow a little bit, which I know is I'm

558
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 5: not saying he's going to be Joe Burrow. No, no, no, Stimpson,

559
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 5: I wrote Mac Jones. So there's a gap there. But

560
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 5: I do think he is a quality NFL quarterback.

561
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 3: I mean, another another Alabama guy.

562
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 5: Right that sometimes I wonder if the jersey seeps into

563
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 5: my brain.

564
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: And butestly though, I think I think that's part of

565
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: the evaluation, right, is that some of these guys play

566
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: in offenses that are just loaded with talent.

567
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: And that was kind of the knock on mac Jones.

568
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: Now, I think what we've seen from him, I think

569
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: what we saw from him last year when he had

570
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: to start suggest that Okay, maybe you understood why Kyle

571
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: Shanahan was on him from the beginning, maybe you understood

572
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: why the Patriots took him where they did. But I

573
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: remember after that, after his second year, there was a

574
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 2: lot of conversation of was mac Jones a creation of

575
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: the Alabama offense? And you know, we sort of had

576
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: to sort through that a little bit. I will ask you, though, Lakwan,

577
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: when you look at ty Simpson, does it concern you

578
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 2: at all that we only really have one year worth

579
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: of tape to evaluate him on?

580
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Because honestly, a lot of those throws that you

581
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 4: watched him do, like, yeah, some are pretty, some are great,

582
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 4: some are great decision making, But let's talk about the

583
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 4: ones that are forty feet over Jeremy Bernard's head. Let's

584
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 4: talk about the ones that are just hitting the dirt.

585
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 4: And again, there's a lot of sideline you know, throws

586
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 4: where it's like, dude, I'm not even near the side line.

587
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 6: Where are you throwing.

588
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of project work that's gonna go

589
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 4: into him no matter where he goes. And like, in

590
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 4: terms of fantasy, like, I honestly I don't see myself

591
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 4: take him into these rookie drafts coming up.

592
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys do.

593
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, it's like Ty

594
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 4: Simpson is a okay quarterback. And again, like when you

595
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 4: look at some of these throws, like Flori Will pointed out, yeah,

596
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: he has an understanding where the pressure is, but when

597
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 4: he makes that decision to throw the ball, it's in

598
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 4: the parking lot, and it's like that's not gonna be great,

599
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 4: you know, coming in if you're gonna get dropped off

600
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 4: into a starting position. Because like we have rumors in

601
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 4: him visiting all these teams, Jets, Steelers. I mean, Steelers

602
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: obviously have Aaron Rodgers, but we don't have that answer yet,

603
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: but like he's probably Rogers a situation we hope, We

604
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 4: hope Aaron Rodgers, because I don't think Michael Pittman goes

605
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 4: there if they don't have Aaron Rodgers. But I think

606
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, like ty Simpson is

607
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 4: going to be a okay quarterback. There's not much jumping

608
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 4: off the tape that it's like, let's do it. And

609
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: you saw his brode the six yard bomb he hit,

610
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 4: and everybody's like losing their mind, like we saw this

611
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: with Zach Wilson, like we saw the Zach Brod.

612
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: I would argue, so then are you.

613
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: Are you in agreement with our soon to be co

614
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: worker dan Orlowski that the tape is on par with

615
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza.

616
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 6: No, absolutely not, no, no.

617
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 5: But I do think, oh, I think because of that take,

618
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 5: people are going to pile on ty Simpson, and I

619
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 5: think that's unfair. Like I do, I do think there's

620
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 5: potential here. Like my uh, you guys know, I have

621
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 5: a bunch of Jet fan friends and they were texting

622
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 5: me like what do you think of him?

623
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 8: And I was like a lot of good, not a

624
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 8: lot of great.

625
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: I would say, like I I and they were like,

626
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 5: would you take a first on him?

627
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 8: And I was like, nah, I think.

628
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 5: I think you guys wait and you take him in

629
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 5: the second round, because that is okay to throw a

630
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 5: dart on I think.

631
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: I mean, the hype right now suggests somebody's gonna take

632
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: that swing on him in the first But again, this

633
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: is this is all chatter. We've seen this before, where

634
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: again the draft industrial complex starts pumping a guy out,

635
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: talking about him as a first round pick, and then

636
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: next thing we know, you know, his girlfriend is salty

637
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: because he's been sitting in the green room all day.

638
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: So you know who knows who knows how that happens. Three,

639
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: I have your tailing green Carson Beck, Garrett Nusmeyer. I

640
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: mean any of those again, not having dug too deep

641
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: into them seeing them, any of them moved the needle

642
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: for either of you.

643
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 4: Nuss Meyer. I've watched a little bit of I've seen

644
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: that he has a visit with the Rams and watching

645
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 4: Tom Pellisero interview him on The Insiders and him talk

646
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 4: about his faith in football and then the injury that

647
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: he should be fine coming back now, and like just

648
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 4: hearing him talk about the game and that he's a

649
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 4: you know, a football coach's son, and it's like this

650
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 4: seems like a McVeigh guy. So like, I feel like

651
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 4: if mus Meyer ends up in the situation like in

652
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: LA with the Rams, then okay, I can look at

653
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: my you know, fourth round rookie draft pick and be like, hey,

654
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 4: I could take a shot on a Nusmyer, Like I

655
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 4: like how aggressive he is going downfield sometimes. And again,

656
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 4: a lot of these quarterbacks outside of Mendoza, like you

657
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: you kind of see the tools, you see some of

658
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 4: the you know, the upside that they have. But again,

659
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 4: this isn't not you know, it's not like a great

660
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: quarterback class where there's like four or five guys that

661
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 4: can either go at two or three or even one,

662
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: you know. So like I think he falls to probably

663
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 4: like second third round maybe, and then again there's teams

664
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: like Jets, Steelers and everybody else that kind of need

665
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 4: a quarterback that can be a project and develop.

666
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 6: But I like nuss Meyer for what he has between

667
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 6: his eyes.

668
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: He's the guy that when I watched him, he'll go

669
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: and he'll have like a drive where you're like a.

670
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: Man that looks really really good, and then he'll put

671
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: together two or three drives. Right after that, we're like,

672
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: what are you? What are you looking at? Man? It's

673
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: just it was that inconsistency, that sort of.

674
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: He's very aggressive going downfield and again, but sometimes for

675
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: no reason, like sometimes it's just like you're making throws.

676
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: Like why why? Why?

677
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: What?

678
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: Something?

679
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: But you don't want to put that on tape.

680
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 5: I'll throw one more name out there. Sure drew Aller

681
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 5: out of Penn State. I've watched him this week. He's

682
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 5: getting a lot more hype. I don't know if he's

683
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 5: necessarily going to be a like a starter at the

684
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 5: NFL level. I think he'll come in and be a

685
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 5: competent number two, maybe room to grow there. But I

686
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 5: wrote that he reminded me of a less chaotic and

687
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 5: athletic Will Levis. Like he's got the size, the arm strength,

688
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 5: he's just not as mobile and he's not going to

689
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 5: do the crazy things. But there's there's some tools there.

690
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 5: And I know he's getting hyped up right now.

691
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't. You know he didn't play as much

692
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: this past year. Was hurt a little bit. I watched

693
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: him a little bit the year before. Where when I

694
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: watched Drew Aller the previous year, what I noticed about

695
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 2: Drew Aler was Tyler Warren.

696
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: Like, that was what I noticed about Drew Aller a

697
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: couple of seasons ago.

698
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, uh, let's talk some running back. Actually, that's

699
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: say quick, great, we'll come back. We'll talk some running

700
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: backs and then we'll move on after that.

701
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: Here on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

702
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 4: All right, now, let's talk some running backs.

703
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: There's one name that there's one name that obviously stands

704
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: above the rest.

705
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: That is Jeremiah Love.

706
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: I saw something from Next Gen Stats and that we

707
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: had We had our guy James Reaver on recently talking

708
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: about the chip blocks and safety coverage and that sort

709
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: of thing. I think the Next Gen Stats put out recently.

710
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: Jeremiah loves ninety four overall score ranks third among running

711
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: backs in the Next Gen Stats database, trading only Bijon

712
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: Robinson and Saquon Barkley.

713
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: Wow. So in terms of the testing metrics, Jeremiah Love

714
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: looks great when you watch him on tape. Jeremiah Love

715
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: looks great.

716
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: Now we're talking about basically how high in the NFL

717
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: Draft is he going to go? I guess the question,

718
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: Lakwan is how high in fantasy drafts is you gonna go?

719
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: Are we going to pump him up to the point

720
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: that you know, we are we talking about somebody taking

721
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: that shot on jerebihen Love in the first round or

722
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: is that a little too spicy?

723
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 4: It's spicy after what we just dealt with with Genty

724
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 4: last year, because like Genty was going crazy high, Like

725
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 4: as the weeks just went on, we just saw him

726
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: just inch closer and closer inside after why I.

727
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: Didn't have any Ashton Gent on any rosters last.

728
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: Year, Like it was getting out of control. And I

729
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 4: feel like that might happen again when folks come back

730
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 4: outside and get into these re draft leagues and they

731
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 4: get all excited with the new toy, the new running back.

732
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: Especially landing spot matters in this like we don't know.

733
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of teams are projecting him going

734
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: the first five picks. There's really probably two teams, Like

735
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 4: you would think that the Giants are interested in that Titans.

736
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: I honestly think like those two landing spots will be

737
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 4: really interesting and we're gonna look at those situations like

738
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 4: full opportunity on the table, like the workload is his

739
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 4: Like I do think at the end of the day,

740
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 4: like when the casuals are I hate saying that as well,

741
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 4: but when folks come back outside during the summer for

742
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 4: the re draft leagues, they're probably going to be normal.

743
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: Excited again, the non degenerated.

744
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 4: That's how we should serve them up. I hate saying

745
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 4: I hate that.

746
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think.

747
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 8: He's the first round picking fantasy this year.

748
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: But where because again we've had these mocks and we

749
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: didn't take them anywhere near I took him in the

750
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 4: second round, didn't I like two A one or two two?

751
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: Second round? Is it?

752
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 8: He's got to move up a handful of picks.

753
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 4: That feeld but take him over James Cook.

754
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 8: Depending on landing spot.

755
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: It feels very landing spot dependent though, right, Yeah, Like,

756
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: let's just.

757
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 5: If he goes to a team like like Jensen went

758
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 5: to the Raiders last year, where it was like he's

759
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 5: going to get three hundred touches it maybe he goes

760
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 5: early round two, but he's the first half of the second.

761
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 8: Round guy at the latest I think for fantasy.

762
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, facts, but that's not going to happen though, like

763
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 4: we know he's gonna get juiced, and I think, again,

764
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: that's kind of what happened with genty last year and

765
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 4: we got burned for it.

766
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: But is this could this be worthy? Non degenerates? Save

767
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: us from ourselves because they will pull him.

768
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: Down like he might get pulled down in home leagues

769
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: because you know, is the buzz?

770
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 3: Is the buzz gonna be there the way it.

771
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 5: Was for Actually maybe I could see that, but you know,

772
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 5: I think he is going to get hyped so much

773
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 5: in this next month, and I think for good reason.

774
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 5: Like again I write names and stuff. The name I

775
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 5: wrote was potentially faster Le'Veon Bell, like I think the

776
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 5: ceiling is so hot, and look, I get it if

777
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 5: you if I think there will be people like Lakwan

778
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 5: who's like I'd rather have James Cook, I'd rather have

779
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 5: people are gonna say Devon a Chang, I'm kind of

780
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 5: souring on a Chang. Gensy and him might be a

781
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 5: legit discussion. I think, like that hurt In, but there's

782
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: I think he'll be one of those players you know,

783
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 5: like who if you look at ten drafts, like maybe

784
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 5: six of the times he goes in the second round.

785
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 5: But there will be a handful where he goes as

786
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 5: a late first. That's just my guess as of today.

787
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would think again, because the people

788
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: that we associate with, you know, this time of year,

789
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: they're drafting, they're hyping guys up, and you guys know this.

790
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 2: There are always the analysts out there trying to plant

791
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: a flag and.

792
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: Maybe it's not a thing they would do in the

793
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: actual draft.

794
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 4: But they will do it.

795
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: All Tanks is like a couple people flag planting in

796
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: mock drafts this time of year or in Bestball drafts,

797
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: so that when you get to an actual draft, you're

798
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: gonna be sitting there with some of these folks and

799
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 2: being like, if I want Jeremiah Love, I got to

800
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: take him right here, because this person next to me

801
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: might be willing to pull the trigger a little bit

802
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 2: earlier than I'm ready for it to happen.

803
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 4: The thing is too, no going to say that this

804
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 4: is pushing down wide receivers in like you're you're gonna

805
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 4: get a really good wide receiver that gets pushed down,

806
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 4: and Jeremiah Love starts creeping up because again, I feel

807
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 4: as though there's at least four to maybe five running

808
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 4: backs in the first round and then the restauran wide

809
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: receivers and may be Trademan Bride depending on how far

810
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 4: he gets pulled up. I feel like it's a hard sell,

811
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 4: you know, to take him over some of these guys

812
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: that we've talked about and done this mock draft with

813
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: these last couple of months.

814
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 5: I think there's six wide receivers after that. I think

815
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 5: a conversation happens.

816
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: Six, like you know, like like Puka asn CD MNRA

817
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: justin Jefferson, right.

818
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 5: I think after that there's a legit discussion. Mylik neighbors

819
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 5: healthy enough.

820
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: So I'll ask you this question, Jeremiah Love.

821
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: Let's say you go to the great landing spot, a

822
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: perfect landing spot for him, which I don't know, uh

823
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: where where could we put him?

824
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: That would giants?

825
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 6: Let's just say giants, all right?

826
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: Say the giants, right, Jeremiah Love with the Giants or

827
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey.

828
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 6: Christian McCaffrey.

829
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 5: I at see this is one of those cop out answers,

830
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 5: like I'd rather Jeremiah Love, but.

831
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: I know squeamish on CMC.

832
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 8: I would not.

833
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 5: I would take all six of those receivers before I

834
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 5: would take CMC.

835
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair. No, I think that's fair. Again. We

836
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 3: did our mic draft. I took him late in the

837
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: first round.

838
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: I was not big on it, but I looked around

839
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, of all the guys.

840
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: Still on board, he was the best option.

841
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: So that that part, I want to talk to some

842
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: jendarian price because.

843
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: Another another notre dame running back to go along with

844
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Love.

845
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: I do like that lander lines comp is Javonte Williams,

846
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: and I like it in the sense of it has

847
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: nothing to do with like guy. No, no, it's not even that.

848
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: No no, so listen because the re I thought about.

849
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: The reason I like that is more in the sense of,

850
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: remember when Javonte Williams came out, it was him and

851
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: Michael Carter. Right last year we had Traveon Henderson and

852
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: quin Shawn Judkins, both.

853
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 3: From Ohio State.

854
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: You have those years where you've got two backs in

855
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: the same backfield that are both coming out, you know,

856
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: either at the same time or within a year of

857
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: each other.

858
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 3: Like who was it?

859
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: How I'm blanking the guy from Texas who's h I

860
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: kept saying his big crime was being stuck behind Jon

861
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: Robinson and then he got drafted, and you know he's

862
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: never really panned out unfortunately.

863
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 4: Jonathan Brooks, Oh yeah, I say you was Brooks.

864
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: Jonathan Brooks Yeah, you know.

865
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: I mean obviously he has insinuating circumstances because he just

866
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: has not been able to stay healthy. So I look

867
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: at and like when you look at if you look

868
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: on you said you like him. When you look at him,

869
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: is he?

870
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 3: Is he? Javonte?

871
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 5: Is he?

872
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 3: Michael Carter? Is he?

873
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: And I think if we haven't closed the book on

874
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: the Ohio State guys, is he?

875
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: Travon Henderson? Is he? Quinn Shawn Judkins? Like where what

876
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 3: is his lot in life? In the NFL?

877
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 4: I feel like we can give him that Javonte Williams

878
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 4: cop because, like now the way the league is like forming,

879
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 4: we're seeing this one two punch to me watching him,

880
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: I can see him adding, you know, as a contributor

881
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 4: as the backfield, as like some of these backfields that

882
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 4: we're seeing form, like the Kyne and Blake korm the

883
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 4: two different types the service full back, the third down

884
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: back that can possibly catch passes out of the backfield.

885
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 4: And I think with Price, like when you look at

886
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 4: them to him playing behind Jeremiah Love. It was a

887
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 4: great compliment. It was a great one two punch that

888
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: they had there. So I think any backfield right now

889
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 4: that's missing that second piece, I think you would drop

890
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 4: in the Javonte Williams with any of these backfields right

891
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: now other than the Cowboys. And I know we saw

892
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 4: him as a starter last year, but I would love

893
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: to have that type as ARB two to add to

894
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 4: the you know, to the fuel to have an established

895
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 4: one game.

896
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 3: Oh so Roshawn Johnson was the other day. I was

897
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: trying to think, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah.

898
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: Roshawn Johnson to du that I loved, I was just like, yeah, man,

899
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: he was stuck behind the John Robinson at Texas and like,

900
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: it's just never quite worked out for him.

901
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 5: While I know we're talking rookies here, but uh, the

902
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 5: L's list that we talk about a lot, like, I'm

903
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 5: cool taking the yell with this Javonte Williams front and

904
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 5: center on that list for yeah, I'm gonna have this year.

905
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm fine on it too. Well.

906
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: His price is going to be different than what it

907
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 4: was last year.

908
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: I think.

909
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 5: And I also think if you dive into his numbers,

910
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 5: he started off really hot.

911
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 8: He was just a guy for much of the season.

912
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Mike Washington, OHK, unless you have more engineering price.

913
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 5: The Mets got the Pirates warming up in the bullpen

914
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 5: with Paul Skins on the mound in.

915
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 8: The first get excited.

916
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 4: Hey, man, I was waiting for the baseball update, But

917
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 4: you know.

918
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: What I like.

919
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: I looked over, I saw Freddy Peralta and gave up

920
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: a bomb and I was like.

921
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was a little sad about that. They got

922
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 5: Skeens at thirty pitches in the first inning. Right now, man,

923
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 5: mar at pitches in the first.

924
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm Gonna'm gonna

925
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: take it.

926
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pivot away from from fantasy football for a second.

927
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: I have this theory that I'm working on that all

928
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: the US players that were in the WBC are gonna

929
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: have bad years. Logan Webb got lit up last night.

930
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: Aaron Judge struck out four times. Paul Skein's getting lit

931
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: up right now. The US guys from the WBC team,

932
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I got bad vibes, I got bad feelings.

933
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 5: You know what, Marcus, there might be a show where

934
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 5: we could discuss this.

935
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: There might be an outlet for us to talk.

936
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 8: Face is clearing double Let's go Mets.

937
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 2: So Mike Washington, Yes, Mike Washington is a name that, yeah, obviously,

938
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: look when when you talk about running backs in this draft,

939
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: it seems to kind of start and in mostly with

940
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Love, but.

941
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: It does feel like Mike Washington has a little bit

942
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: of buzz. Little bit of buzz. I mean, I don't

943
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: know how much you guys have watched him.

944
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: He's a guy that you know, had a very good

945
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 2: combine for what it's worth, right A four three forty

946
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 2: looked very very athletic. A lot of the athletic testing

947
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: scores very much like Mike Washington Florida. I mean, there's

948
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: always that running back that maybe we don't talk about

949
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 2: a lot during draft season that somehow comes at pops

950
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: first few weeks of the NFL season.

951
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: Could Mike Washington be that guy in the right landing spot?

952
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 8: I think so.

953
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 5: He is someone that I need to admittedly dive into

954
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 5: their tape a little bit more today. I'm gonna be

955
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 5: watching a lot a couple more running backs. I've watched

956
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 5: a lot more receivers so far. But yeah, like I know,

957
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 5: I always start by looking at what Lancer line thinks

958
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 5: and he comps into Chris Carson. So yes, I think

959
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 5: he could be that kind of Now, could he be

960
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 5: a guy like that comes in and you know we're

961
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 5: counting the table, could be like an RB one right away.

962
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 5: I don't think that, but I do think he could

963
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 5: come in and be like Fantasy relevant at least from

964
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 5: what Again, I'm kind of early in my process with

965
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 5: the running backs.

966
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 8: I'm much more deeper at receiver and quarterback.

967
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 5: But from what I have seen, I've beten impressed so far.

968
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting.

969
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 2: I think I think he's going to be another guy

970
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: who's very landing spot dependent. But look when I could

971
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: see him as a guy who doesn't even start the year,

972
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 2: is kind of the front line guy because I don't

973
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: I don't know that he wants in. It is like

974
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: an RB one on his team, but he just feels

975
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: like he's that guy that the buzz happens in camp.

976
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: He has like a breakout r J. Harvey has a

977
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 2: breakout preseason game. The next thing you know is Week

978
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: four and he's like the hottest name off the waiver wire.

979
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 4: Maybe like Week nine to ten, like close to the

980
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 4: Fantasy playoffs. Like I think Mike Washington stock rising out there.

981
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 4: The combine was valid because when he turned on the table,

982
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 4: he's a physical runner downhill and like he could take

983
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 4: it to the house. And again, we're looking at a

984
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 4: class that is full of RB twos that will complete

985
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 4: a lot of these NFL team back that are trying

986
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 4: to get into this trending you know, role to have

987
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 4: like a complete backfield because we're gonna be playing like

988
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 4: twenty games, you know, in the next couple of years.

989
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: By by the way, we're trending towards adding another game

990
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 4: to these seasons, so it's gonna be a lot of seasons.

991
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: Like if you listen to Clint qbiac, he has shown

992
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 4: us his hand last year with the Kenneth Walker and

993
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 4: Zach Sharbainey and Heeds even mentioned like, hey, the league

994
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 4: is trying to add another game, Like these guys need

995
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 4: to be fresh, these guys need to be healthy. So

996
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 4: when you look at him, Mike Washington, you love that

997
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 4: he has that explosive if you love that he has

998
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 4: the ability to bounce off some of these tackles and

999
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 4: even juke you out of your socks, Cause again this

1000
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: is a guy that I feel like stock that rise

1001
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 4: at the combine was pretty pretty valid.

1002
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm just again, I know we can

1003
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: sometimes get caught up in the sense that, yeah, we

1004
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: get these combine risers that.

1005
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: You know, sort of fool us a little bit.

1006
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 2: But I think he's a he's one of those cases

1007
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: of the combine performance plus sort of what he has

1008
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: put on tape, I think some kind of an intriguing option.

1009
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: I saw Lance's comp is Chris Carson, which you know, look,

1010
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: you had some good you had some good fantasy years.

1011
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: So Chris Carson's issue was more health than anything else.

1012
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: So if if washing can stay healthy, it's not a

1013
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: bad not a bad way to go. We're gonna take

1014
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: a break, just as I look over and see Paul

1015
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: Skeens walking off the mound, much to the you don't

1016
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 2: even get out of the first the joint of Michael

1017
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: at Florio.

1018
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 3: We'll come back.

1019
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 2: We'll talk to wide receivers, maybe even a tied end

1020
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: or two. That's next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

1021
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: All right with Florio still floating on cloud nine because

1022
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: Paul Sken's got lit up we'll turn our attention to

1023
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: some wide receivers. This is kind of the more interesting

1024
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: part of the draft right here. And I know, Lakwan

1025
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 2: you are very big on Jordan Tyson, Florida.

1026
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: You are.

1027
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: I think you guys have Jordan Tyson both as your

1028
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: number one wide receiver in my draft.

1029
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: But it does sort of feel like there's kind of

1030
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 3: a top tier.

1031
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: In this group. And and depending on who you ask,

1032
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: they sort of go at any order. Whether it's Jordan Tyson,

1033
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: MacKaye Lemon, Carnell Tape, they're all sort of in that grouping.

1034
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: Are those guys I'll ask you first, Florida, they are

1035
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: they landing spot proof? I mean, I guess that's not

1036
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: really a thing, but I mean, are these guys that

1037
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: can succeed sort of in a number of different systems

1038
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: or do we need one of them to go to

1039
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 2: a specific offense?

1040
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 5: I think, And Marcus you might not like my take

1041
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 5: on this. I think Tate and Tyson are more full proof,

1042
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 5: right Like, I think how valuable they'll be will depend

1043
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 5: on where they go. Because obviously, the better offense you're

1044
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 5: part of, the better quarterback you're tied to, you're going

1045
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 5: to perform better, and the perception of you from fantasy

1046
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 5: is going to be that you are better. While I

1047
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 5: have Tyson as a one, it's to me, I think

1048
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 5: it's like kind of a one A one B.

1049
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 8: I like Tyson because.

1050
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 5: He's huge and he they're both super reliable. They both

1051
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 5: have like vice gript hands, like you put the ball

1052
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 5: in their vicinity, they are nine times out of ten

1053
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 5: coming down with it. Jump ball guys, red zone guys,

1054
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 5: all of that. I just think Tyson has a little

1055
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 5: bit more flashiness to his game and maybe that's why

1056
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 5: I kind of am boosting him up. But for me,

1057
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 5: like the names I wrote down for Tate were t

1058
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 5: Higgins ceiling or like a bigger Terry McLaurin, And the

1059
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 5: names I wrote down for Jordan Tyson was Odell Beckham Junior,

1060
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 5: Like I think he's got that kind of specialness in him.

1061
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 5: For Makai Lemon, I see why everyone compares him to

1062
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 5: a man Ras Saint Brown, and I see the flashes

1063
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 5: of that. I also think the USC jersey kind of

1064
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 5: gets in our brain and stuff. But I also wrote

1065
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 5: the name Khalil Shakir, and trust me, I watched every

1066
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 5: single snap of Khalil Shakir's career, and that's why I'm like,

1067
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 5: I don't want Lemon on the Bills. I think he

1068
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 5: needs to go to a spot that would highly use

1069
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 5: the slot receiver and not already have one, Whereas I

1070
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 5: think the other two, because they're so versatile, they could

1071
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 5: play outside, inside.

1072
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 8: You could just throw them on any offense.

1073
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I mean, I honestly think Tyson gets the

1074
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 4: hate because of the injury history, Like that's always the

1075
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 4: first thing that comes up, the red flags. But when

1076
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 4: you turn on the tape, the twitchiness in his route running,

1077
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 4: the big vertical play that he made, you know, And

1078
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 4: I feel like at the end of the day, when

1079
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 4: we look at his tape, it shows a lot of

1080
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 4: flashes of the Odell Beckham, the Justin Jeffersons the one

1081
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 4: hand catches, the breakaway speed, being able to make people

1082
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 4: miss at the point of contact. And I think at

1083
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 4: the end of the day, when you look at Carnell tape,

1084
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 4: to me, I look at more so, where can these

1085
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 4: guys line up? Are they available in the run blocking game?

1086
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 4: And I think when you look at Lemon, he gets

1087
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 4: kind of put into that Mon Rah and he gets

1088
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 4: put into that slot. I don't know if Lemon can

1089
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 4: play out wide, and I know Lemon's toughness comes off

1090
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 4: on the tape. I know that he is able to

1091
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 4: be present in run blocking, but again he's easily pushed

1092
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 4: off from defenders and then you know, he doesn't show

1093
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 4: up on tape like a Carnel tape or even a

1094
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 4: Jordan Tyson in terms of run blocking. And I think

1095
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 4: that's what makes them the all around top tier of

1096
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 4: the wide receivers that you kind of want. And I

1097
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 4: think what we're gonna be talking about the most on

1098
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 4: draft night is why is mkay Lemon dropping? Like where's

1099
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 4: he gonna go? Where's he ended up? And to answer

1100
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 4: your first question, no, I don't think any of these

1101
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: guys are you know, team proof, because if they end

1102
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 4: up in Cleveland, then good ridding, We're done.

1103
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 3: Fair point.

1104
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: I am gonna because I feel like it is my

1105
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: my duty. I am gonna stand up for Mikayle Lemon

1106
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: in the sense of I thought about this last night.

1107
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: Mkayle Lemon is boneless Buffalo Wings. He's boneless wings.

1108
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: Chicken nuggets.

1109
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: Yes, because that rex everybody's just like I guess I

1110
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: see the Amon Ross Saint Brown right right, But like

1111
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: when I talk about boneless wings, somebody's like chicken nuggets

1112
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 2: and I'm like, so what chicken nuggets are great?

1113
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 8: Right?

1114
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: Like do you not like chicken nuggets?

1115
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 2: No?

1116
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: People love chicken nuggets.

1117
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 8: There was a lawsuit over this.

1118
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, like that was stupid. There was a

1119
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 3: lawsuit over that, and the judges like, what are you doing?

1120
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 3: It's stupid, thankfully, But like like.

1121
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 2: If the argument is he's a mon Ross Saint Brown, great,

1122
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: that's awesome.

1123
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 3: That's what we love. Makay limon his boneless wings.

1124
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: Man, like, yeah, maybe they are chicken nuggets, but guess what,

1125
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: chicken nuggets are freaking great.

1126
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 3: I can't remember the.

1127
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 4: Last time I had chicken nuggets, though, Like it's been

1128
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 4: a while.

1129
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: You have a kid, you have two kids. How have

1130
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 3: you not had chicken nuggets recently?

1131
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not eating the dinosaur chicken nuggets.

1132
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: They're really good, man, A little bit of barbecue sauce,

1133
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: their fantom.

1134
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: I also sample pretty much everything my kid eats. I do.

1135
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: I mean, partially because like, hey man, I hope pays yeah,

1136
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: and partially dad tax, but also because like I want to,

1137
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 2: like because like when there's a thing that he does eat.

1138
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: I want to be like why and like sometimes I

1139
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 2: eat sometimes I tyre try some stuff and I'm like,

1140
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: oh yeah, man, I get it. Yeah, I wouldn't need to.

1141
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 5: You know, Trader Joe's has some good spicy chick if

1142
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 5: you like, like a Wendy's spicy chicken nuts.

1143
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 8: It's kind of comparable.

1144
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 3: All right, All right, let's keep that in mind.

1145
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: Uh, Denzel Boston Casey conception the other kind of top

1146
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: line and names. Yeah, you said you've kind of gone

1147
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: deeper on wider. Oh you sound like you have thoughts.

1148
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: Look on, I will concep.

1149
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1150
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 4: I want him as a RAM.

1151
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: I know he's been. I've seen his name come up

1152
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: in connection with the Rams.

1153
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I feel like his ability on special teams.

1154
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 4: He's like a running back in space and I think,

1155
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 4: honestly like he could play the slot and I even

1156
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 4: seen some of his tapele when he plays out wide

1157
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 4: as well, Like he has those combat hands that everybody

1158
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 4: likes to mention with the taller wide receivers. But I

1159
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 4: think this dude is just a complete playmaker.

1160
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 3: So now, independent of the Rams, where do you like

1161
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 3: do you like him for fantasy.

1162
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 4: I like him for fantasy a lot, and I think

1163
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 4: he'll end up I got to separate that for you, No,

1164
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 4: because there's a lot. I told you there's a lot

1165
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 4: of wide receivers on this list that I can picture

1166
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 4: in a RAMS Jersey and I try to see where

1167
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 4: they fit and play as a wide receiver. Three like

1168
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 4: your guy usc Guy Lane. I mean, Jacobe Lane is

1169
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 4: a tall wide receiver, big body, red zone threat, and

1170
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 4: I think that his speed is underrated. Chris Brazzle the second, Like,

1171
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 4: I mean, when you look at the size that this

1172
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 4: guy has, he's kind of like the Christian Watson of

1173
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 4: you know, the Packers, but he's just not as physical

1174
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 4: downfield that you know.

1175
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 6: Boxing guys out as a Christian Watson.

1176
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 4: But being that he's sixty to three and has that

1177
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 4: type of speed, like, oh my god, I can see

1178
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 4: him on a lot of these teams like stretching the

1179
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 4: field and making big plays downfield.

1180
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: Jacoby Lane is like Isaac Taslaw in the sense of, like,

1181
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: you know, throw it up, just he's gonna make some

1182
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: ridiculous catches like it doesn't always sort of like stand

1183
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: out to you on film, but he'll have one or

1184
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: two plays, Whe're like, holy crap.

1185
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: Like how did he catch that?

1186
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: Right? Always, it seems like at least weekly there's a

1187
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: Jacoby Lan.

1188
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 4: He's the longest wingspan I think in this class too.

1189
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: He's got incredibly long arms. He's got sticky hands. He

1190
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 3: will make really tough catches.

1191
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: But like that, there's nothing about him that consistently from

1192
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: play to play kind of pops uh withes I with

1193
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: Casey conception.

1194
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 8: I I'm not I like him, but I'm not as hot.

1195
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 5: I think he is a little bit more team dependent

1196
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 5: because I do think he's probably gonna primarily be a

1197
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 5: slot guy. I have questions if he can be like

1198
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 5: he was good in the red zone in college. I

1199
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 5: have questions if he could do that in the next level.

1200
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 5: I have questions if if press is going to get

1201
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 5: to him.

1202
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 8: I wrote that his ceiling.

1203
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 5: Was Za Flowers, but that his floor is kind of

1204
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 5: being a better real life player than fantasy relevant player,

1205
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 5: because he he does.

1206
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 8: A lot well.

1207
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 5: I don't think he like excels in a specific role,

1208
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 5: but I could be wrong. I I do like Denzel

1209
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 5: Boston a lot. I like Omar Cooper Junior. I know

1210
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 5: me and Lakwal we're talking about him the other day.

1211
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 5: I like him and then someone who's not getting as

1212
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 5: much love. But I was watching him yesterday and I

1213
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 5: really liked his tape Chris Brazil out of Tennessee. Like

1214
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 5: I wrote that, my fear is that he's like a

1215
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 5: Jalen Hyatt, who I also liked coming out of Tennessee,

1216
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 5: but it just didn't ever translate. But he he's a

1217
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 5: field stretcher who can win in the short game as well,

1218
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 5: and I am just a sucker for those kind of players.

1219
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 5: He could be used in the red zone. He's a

1220
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 5: contested catch monster, so he is kind of I have.

1221
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 5: I was looking at some consensus rankings and I definitely

1222
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 5: have him higher than others on my list.

1223
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 3: All Right, Yeah, I need kinda dive deeper.

1224
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: I kind of have a look at the top three

1225
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: or four guys here, but I probably need to dive

1226
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 2: a little bit deeper.

1227
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 3: And so that's again it's late March. Still got a

1228
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 3: few Chris Nell.

1229
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 6: There's another one we didn't mention.

1230
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 4: This is the guy that's going on the Raider because

1231
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 4: of injury, and I think he kind of rises up

1232
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 4: on a lot of people rankings as well.

1233
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 2: This is I mean again, this is I think more

1234
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: the most intriguing position off is gonna have so much

1235
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: fun draft in these wide receivers, a lot of wide

1236
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 2: receivers and rookie drafts. Quarterback probably not so much. Running

1237
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: back maybe a little bit.

1238
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 5: Uh, it's gonna go Jeremiah Love, maybe Fernando Mendoza if

1239
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 5: it's like a superflex. And then the next like handful

1240
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 5: bunch of picks are gonna be.

1241
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: Wid eight Tyson Yeah yeah, yeah, all depends, and then

1242
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: there's gonna be one tight end.

1243
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 8: More tight end boy has been pounding the table for so.

1244
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: You know what, you know what, I will open the

1245
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: floor to you because you are the tight end whisperer

1246
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 2: on this show.

1247
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: How much do you love?

1248
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 4: I love them, man, and I gotta be honest. Like

1249
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 4: the RAMS community, they're out there saying we pulled the

1250
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 4: trigger at thirteen for him, get another organ boy. But again,

1251
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 4: I do think that Kenyan Sadiq no matter what. It's

1252
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 4: like Pokemon, but that's wrong like YO fourteen personnel coming

1253
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 4: soon like Jesus. But uh, I think Keny's he's going

1254
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 4: to make impact. Like I don't think it's going to

1255
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 4: be a Bowers type of year or maybe close to

1256
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 4: Sam Laporta if he lands in the right situation. But

1257
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 4: get this guy some targets and he's essentially a big body,

1258
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 4: wide receiver.

1259
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 3: You might not like hearing this. I've seen him mock

1260
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 3: to the forty nine ers.

1261
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that that that you guys shouldn't be drafting.

1262
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 3: Should they shouldn't be drafted, shouldn't be drafting at all. Now, No,

1263
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: we're good.

1264
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Floya, he's kind of the I think he's

1265
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: the start and end for the tight end position for

1266
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: fantasy at least uh this year. But if we're going

1267
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 2: by the recent history of rookie tight ends, there is

1268
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: a world in which he finishes as a tight end one.

1269
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 3: This year.

1270
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean, rookie tight ends have really changed

1271
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 5: the new I mean last year, Tyler Warren, he finished

1272
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 5: as a tight end one. I believe Loveland was on

1273
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 5: that just outside or but he came on really strong

1274
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 5: down the end and then uh yeah, Like it goes

1275
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 5: back to I think Kyle Pitts is really the one

1276
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 5: who changed everything. I know he doesn't really get the

1277
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 5: credit for it, but his rookie year was fantastic. He

1278
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 5: was a top five Fantasy.

1279
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 4: We're on that three year breakout plan for the tight

1280
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 4: ends and then that's when we're a draft in him

1281
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 4: like that.

1282
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Pitts got so hyped that year and he

1283
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 5: topped a thousand yards. He just only I think he

1284
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 5: had one touchdown, so like that's what held him back.

1285
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 5: But then Sam Laporta reached new heights. Then yeah, then

1286
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 5: last year like uh at rock Boers, then last year's class.

1287
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 5: So yeah, these rookie tight ends have shown And kudos

1288
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 5: to coaches in the NFL and stuff for not digging

1289
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 5: their heels in the sand and being like, no, I

1290
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 5: need to play this veteran because he knows how to

1291
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 5: like no, like put your best players out there, and

1292
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 5: and they've been doing that more.

1293
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: What I think what's help is you see it in

1294
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: college and it's transferred to the NFL, is that you

1295
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: started to separate the tight end position where you've got

1296
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: your pass catching tight ends, your move tight end, and

1297
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 2: you have more of your inline blocking tight end.

1298
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 3: And we've seen that evolution in.

1299
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: The NFL, so that now the brock Bowers of the

1300
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: world show up and it's like, hey man, yeah, we'd

1301
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 2: like you to sort of help block occasionally but mostly

1302
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 2: your job is to run routes and catch passes, and

1303
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: in that regard, while statistically it hasn't maybe hit the

1304
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 2: way you wanted to, I do think Kyle Pitts was

1305
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: kind of the forerunner of all this stuff, right.

1306
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: He was that guy when you watched his tape at Florida.

1307
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: There are times I watched the tape of Florida and

1308
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, if I was an opposing dB, I would

1309
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: want to go to the sidelines and fight my coach

1310
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: because why were you making me line up against this

1311
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: athletic freak who's gonna run either run by me or

1312
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 2: jump over me that I have no answers for, right,

1313
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: And like, yeah, I know it as a hit in

1314
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: the NFL the way we wanted to. But he was

1315
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, of this run of young tight

1316
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,479
Speaker 2: ends that we've got, he was kind of the first one.

1317
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: And so now it feels like we're getting one of

1318
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: these every year as the college game starts to integrate

1319
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: that into what they.

1320
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,919
Speaker 4: Do so real quick in terms of first year tight

1321
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 4: end performances, like in terms of fantasy point finishes, it's Bowers,

1322
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 4: San Laporta, Tyler, Warren, Harrow, Fanning, junior, Kyle Pitts, Coleston lovelanst. Six,

1323
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 4: so Kenyan Sadig. I can see him in that maybe.

1324
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: Depending on where he goes, he can he can surpass

1325
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 2: Fan and Pits, Yeah, lovely.

1326
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 4: And maybe Warren, Yeah, maybe Warren.

1327
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 3: Who's see. I can see him being a top four

1328
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 3: guy at the end of the year.

1329
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 4: And of that, Laporta nearly put up at two two

1330
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 4: hundred and forty Fantasy points and then you have Warren

1331
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 4: at one eighty eight.

1332
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 6: So that's the tear gap right there.

1333
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 3: In the right situation, he can he can make a

1334
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 3: run at that for sure, for sure. All right, this

1335
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 3: is the last time we're gonna talk about these guys.

1336
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 8: Far from it.

1337
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 3: Far from it.

1338
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: We got a month more work kill because I don't

1339
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 2: know reasons, because we just gotta drag this whole thing.

1340
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 3: We got to put them in predictions where they go.

1341
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 2: Ranking because people who make more money than me felt

1342
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,919
Speaker 2: like it's a good idea to have six weeks between

1343
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: the combine and the draft, so we could just I

1344
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 2: don't know, make up things to argue about. For whatever reason,

1345
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: find of the second Met's have a five to two

1346
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: lead over the Pirates.

1347
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 3: Paul skins with the showers.

1348
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 8: I have seen what has happened.

1349
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 5: Uh O'Neill Cruz ran in on the three run triple in.

1350
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 8: Hestead of running back baseball one one.

1351
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 2: He looked like an eleven year old trying to catch

1352
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 2: a pop up in center field, and.

1353
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 5: Then the next play he lost it in the sun

1354
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 5: and it almost hit him.

1355
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: I mean it, it looked literallysh out there for O'Neil.

1356
01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 8: Cruz really didn't get rocked, but uh, in my heart

1357
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 8: he did.

1358
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: Well. If you're into FIP, his FIP is going to

1359
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 3: look good even if his alright does it? So whatever?

1360
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 2: Anyway to explain all of that to the kwan once

1361
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 2: we're done with the show, which is pretty much right now.

1362
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 3: So thanks for hanging out with us some people with

1363
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 3: all our nonsense here on April Day, I don't do

1364
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 3: it for this edition. By the way, shout out to

1365
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 3: a Thomas Warren, who I know is also really big

1366
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 3: on Open Day and supporting him.

1367
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 5: Dodge your hat right now.

1368
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: That'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy

1369
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: Football Podcast. They happy, save and healthy, do good and

1370
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: live well. Enjoy the start of the baseball season. Everybody,

1371
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,439
Speaker 2: we will talk to you again on Tuesday. I don't

1372
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 2: know