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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: My goodness, we're here for another week of Bachelor recap. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we are in episode four. We will be breaking down

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Speaker 2: episode five tomorrow because that's obviously when it will be out.

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Speaker 2: So far, Ashley, this season, I feel like we're breaking

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Speaker 2: down a historically good Bachelor season. Like it's been a

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Speaker 2: lot easier to watch and to follow along with than

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Speaker 2: most seasons. I also want to start this podcast. Ashley

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Speaker 2: was saying that I think you've received some unwarranted criticism

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Speaker 2: over the last week. We're gonna talk a lot about that,

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Speaker 2: about your support of Sydney. I want, I want to

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Speaker 2: share two sides of that story. Sure, but today we

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Speaker 2: have a lot to talk about. Here's as this week

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Speaker 2: went on. I still firmly stand by what I've said

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Speaker 2: about Sydney. I hope none of it is coming off

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Speaker 2: as a personal attack against Sidney, because again I don't

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Speaker 2: know Sidney. I am only criticizing the behavior that has

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Speaker 2: existed on television. But you do know Sidney, you know

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Speaker 2: her personally, and I would say, out of everything else,

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Speaker 2: do I still think you're wrong? And some of your

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Speaker 2: takes one hundred percent. That's why this is great. We

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Speaker 2: can disagree. I don't think you're right at all, but

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Speaker 2: I do think there is a place for you to

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Speaker 2: be celebrated here. I'm celebrating you for standing by somebody

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Speaker 2: that I know you have a personal relationship with, even

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Speaker 2: in the midst of probably some scenarios. I'm assuming I

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Speaker 2: don't want to speak for you can answer this that

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Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, I don't know if I like that either,

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Speaker 2: but I don't want to pile on to the already

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Speaker 2: excruciating experience. I'm sure she's watching this show.

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Speaker 3: Back totally, because especially in this episode, there are times

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Speaker 3: where I'll say in our recap like I'm like, I

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Speaker 3: know what happens, and i know what happens like from

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Speaker 3: Sydney's perspective in talking to her off the mic and

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Speaker 3: all that, and and I can still say that I

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Speaker 3: think she's made mistakes, mainly the mainly the use of

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Speaker 3: the term verbal assault and then bullying. I think that

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Speaker 3: even if there's a lot of context and scenes missing,

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Speaker 3: which who says that there are, I think that you

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Speaker 3: do get an allusion to it though with Lea in

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Speaker 3: this episode. But we'll say that for later. I think

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Speaker 3: that is her biggest mistake, or throwing out those terms,

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Speaker 3: because that makes those are just really like trigger words

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Speaker 3: for a lot of people. Because I don't think even

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Speaker 3: even if we're saying she's dumb, she's embarrassing, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 3: you know, name calling, eh, I think verbally obviousive it

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Speaker 3: is a tad harsh and exaggerating.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, No, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I think that that's her number one mistake, is you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I think I do think that is her number

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Speaker 2: one mistake. I think that the theory that we've had

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Speaker 2: at the beginning is she got mixed up into something

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Speaker 2: and she did a really bad job at getting herself

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Speaker 3: She just didn't want to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you see that with this show. It's such

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Speaker 2: an interesting thing when you see contestants kind of get

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Speaker 2: mixed up into something that they're like, I don't like this.

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Speaker 2: This is obviously causing me stress. This experience is not

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Speaker 2: enjoyable for me because of this thing. Yeah, I can't

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Speaker 2: move on from it. I literally can't put my steak

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Speaker 2: in the ground and say I'm done talking about it. Maria,

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Speaker 2: We're good, like I don't see life the way you

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Speaker 2: see life. But we're not. This is not going to

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Speaker 2: be over top of me any longer because I have

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Speaker 2: other things to do here. She never did it, She

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Speaker 2: never put her stake in the ground and moved on.

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Speaker 2: I also would say, actually, I think her Instagram, I

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Speaker 2: think that's probably why she's receiving so much public criticism

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Speaker 2: the gaslightding video. Yeah, I think it was another choice. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it was another odd choice. It was not.

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Speaker 2: It was using words that are again very harmful and

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Speaker 2: very important and very impactful on people, and making it

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Speaker 2: almost like, hey, I'm the victim here, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think a victim mentality ever works out well. And I

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Speaker 2: think it was a really weird take. But I just

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Speaker 2: want to start before we break down. One of the

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Speaker 2: reasons I love co hosting this show with you, and

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons that I've enjoyed it for eight

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Speaker 2: years and we've done it for eight years, is because

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Speaker 2: I know the type of friend you are, and that

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Speaker 2: you are the type of friend that will fall on

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Speaker 2: the sword for some somebody else as long as that

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Speaker 2: other person is like protected, I know you do it

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Speaker 2: for me. I would like to hope i'd do it

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Speaker 2: for you. But you've represented it from the start of

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Speaker 2: the season, and I know there's probably been times. If

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Speaker 2: you're like, gosh, dang it, this is not good, and

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Speaker 2: you'd probably be a little bit more pointed in your criticism.

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Speaker 2: But because you knew her, you stood up for it.

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Speaker 2: And I think that is admirable, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: something to respect and something to notice. And I can

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Speaker 2: be the one to say the things that are probably

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Speaker 2: not like keeping things, you know, kosher, they're probably pushing

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Speaker 2: I don't know her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been, it's been, it's been okay, like you know,

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Speaker 3: and I'm trying to help her along as well, because,

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Speaker 3: like you know, I know how frustrating of a situation

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Speaker 3: she's in. And I think that the Instagram was also

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Speaker 3: a mistake, and like we've been talking about like how

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Speaker 3: she can utilize her Instagram right now and whether or

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Speaker 3: not it's a good idea to even be on it,

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Speaker 3: because it's kind of hard to win anyone over in

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Speaker 3: the position that she's been put in right now. So

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Speaker 3: I just feel like she should probably just stay back

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Speaker 3: a little bit but right now. But I do think

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Speaker 3: that there's a little bit of a possible light at

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Speaker 3: the end of the tunnel for her because of what

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Speaker 3: may be unfolding tomorrow and what may have in the

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Speaker 3: conversation that Leah has. I also don't think that the

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Speaker 3: conversation with Leah and Medina in this episode is great.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I don't agree with you at

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Speaker 2: all here, I think, but.

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Speaker 3: I do think that it alludes that there is more

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Speaker 3: two things then we got to see because everyone is

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Speaker 3: saying like, okay, there's multiple girls saying like we were

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Speaker 3: shocked that Sydney left, We're disappointed that Sydney left, And

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Speaker 3: then we see Leah be so fiery about Maria, and

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Speaker 3: I think that tomorrow we're gonna see Jess get quite

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Speaker 3: upset with Maria. If we're going off the scenes to

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Speaker 3: the next episode.

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Speaker 2: See, I'm gonna say it was with Leah.

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Speaker 3: You think it's with Leyah, Well we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Do you know, are you hinting at something here that

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Speaker 2: you know of? Because here's the truth, and you and

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Speaker 2: I have both been in this position. Even if Sydney

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Speaker 2: has told you how this goes down. At this point

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Speaker 2: in time, she no longer knows.

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Speaker 3: She has no idea how it's gonna get.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're all, you know. Now, we're watching from

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Speaker 2: a fresh start. I think we have a lot to

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Speaker 2: talk about when it comes to break down this episode,

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Speaker 2: especially when it comes to breaking down the end of

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Speaker 2: this episode. I just wanted to start out with this way.

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Speaker 3: But that's very sweet, but also unneeded to compliment that. Well,

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Speaker 3: of course I'm gonna stick through her through this. I've

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Speaker 3: known her side of the story since she got home.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Sure, and I do. I think I've disagreed with

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Speaker 2: you every episode so far. But that's what makes us great.

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Speaker 3: She's not a liar. That's the thing. Like what I

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Speaker 3: want to get out there and what Sidney really wants

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Speaker 3: out there. That's all she wants people to know is

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Speaker 3: that she's not a liar. Now, did she exaggerate things?

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Speaker 3: That could be one thing?

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Speaker 2: What's the difference?

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Speaker 3: But I don't think, oh there's a difference, okay.

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Speaker 2: I I also just don't think Sidney deserves to be

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Speaker 2: we've talked about it before. I think comparable to other seasons.

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Speaker 2: I think the storytelling when it comes to the Maria

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Speaker 2: lot of the stuff that they were saying. So it

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Speaker 2: and it also kind of makes Maria at times look

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Speaker 2: where it's coming from other than the fact that the

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Speaker 3: To me, everybody out there needs to assume like they're

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Speaker 3: So then I think you just have to step back

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Speaker 3: Is she a liar? Or do they not show it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think there's just been moments here,

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Speaker 2: it does feel like Sidney got mixed up into something.

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Speaker 2: She said things in the past like I have to

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Speaker 2: we don't see it, and it just feels like she

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Speaker 2: you think she is making it up? How would I

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Speaker 2: I think I was getting closer and closer to that

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Speaker 2: I can't say that she's in the right here.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think what we should do is get into

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Speaker 3: the episode and then when things come up. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: will point out certain things that I can at least

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Speaker 2: Sure, how about that. I think that's great, But okay.

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Speaker 2: I would also like to note that typically you and

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Speaker 2: I together can see through these storylines and probably make

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Speaker 2: I will note this, I don't see through this storyline yet,

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Speaker 2: so I want you to point out stuff, but I

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Speaker 2: also am going to push back as we break down

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Speaker 3: And that being said, I just want to reiterate that

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Speaker 3: Well, I really just want to look at her, like,

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Speaker 3: No, I'm sure they had a nice day. The church

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Speaker 2: Well. I feel for her because there's so much I'm

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Speaker 3: You thought it was bad.

434
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 2: I thought it was bad TV because but you just

435
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 2: said you liked this date. I liked the day other

436
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: than this part, like I thought.

437
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 3: But then all we really saw was the looking in

438
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 3: the eyes challenge.

439
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: No, we saw him trying to steal like handbags off

440
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: of each other, okay, and I thought that was cool.

441
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,239
Speaker 2: And I honestly like the nights that were there, Like

442
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: I like the one dude. It's like, today we're gonna

443
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 2: do some like cool stuff. That's what I was like,

444
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: I love it. I also really liked Autumn during this date.

445
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: I know she ends up winning to the day, and

446
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: I was kind of excited because I felt like it

447
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: could have been her going coming out party on the show.

448
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 2: But then she wasn't time with Joey, and it was

449
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 2: the like you could tell what was that? You can

450
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: tell she's not going to make it very far because

451
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: it kind of comes and goes so fast. It's like

452
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: I could to spend time with Joey. We walk out here,

453
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: it's so beautiful, all right, commercial break.

454
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 3: It was so weird. It reminded me of when Kendall

455
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 3: Dude was with Well cut that out. I don't even

456
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 3: remember this moment. It's fine yeah, it was just like

457
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: so telling that she doesn't have much of a future

458
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 3: with Joey, but I wanted to hear them talk a

459
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: little bit.

460
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: I mean, because her energy is really good, her personality

461
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: is funny. She obviously was like in it to win it,

462
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: and I was hoping this was the moment we would say, Okay, Autumn,

463
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: you've snuck into our top three. But in fact, I

464
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 2: think she really probably exists now towards the bottom because

465
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: the show gave no time to their you know, time

466
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 2: away with each other. It didn't show any of the conversation.

467
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: It really just kind of showed him walking off. So

468
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: based on that, I can assume Autumn is not somebody

469
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: that will be around a long time. Even though I

470
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 2: did respect her grit and determination taking those sausages straight

471
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: to the face when many weren't, I love Jess here. Actually,

472
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 2: you know, the first week, I was like, I feel

473
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: like Jess has is gonna get too much confidence and

474
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: it's gonna be kind of her downfall. We haven't really

475
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: seen that yet. I was wrong on that, but then

476
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: this date really made me go, I like Jess, like

477
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: her just stepping back from the whole thing. Her reaction

478
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: to seeing a sausage again.

479
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: Her commentary the two is just like, no, not doing it.

480
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: And I was afraid that Joey was gonna be like

481
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 3: I would have preferred if Jess had really gotten into it,

482
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: but that wasn't the thing.

483
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 2: No, He's like I get it. Like, in fact, it's

484
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 2: fred of gross to see any of these people doing this.

485
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: I'd rather all of them just step back and be

486
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: like not for me. So that group date ends up

487
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: with a cocktail party at night. Kelsey T shines bright

488
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: during this cocktail party. Again, Daisy's kind of the definitely

489
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: in it. She should be at the top of our list.

490
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 2: So we get to see Kelsey T though really shine she.

491
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: I think this out of anybody when I say, like

492
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: you're coming out experience, this was hers. After this episode,

493
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: she definitely skyrocketed on my you know, into my top

494
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: three or four based on this.

495
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he seems more into her than he is

496
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: in LEXI.

497
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: I would that's a great take. I would one hundred

498
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: percent agree with that. Yeah, And it makes sense, right,

499
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 2: I Mean, she's captivating, she's funny. She she's curious and inquisitive,

500
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: and so their conversations are very back and forth. I

501
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: think Kelsey t for me, we'll kind of wait, maybe

502
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: until after tomorrow's episode.

503
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do that. I don't want to rank people yet.

504
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's definitely like gone way up in my

505
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: power rankings.

506
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree, And yeah she gets the Rose.

507
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 3: Jess does say that she's following for him, and that's intense.

508
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: It.

509
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt a little early, like I might have

510
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: waited a few weeks.

511
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 3: This is always the one person who goes a little

512
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 3: too early.

513
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: But maybe that's when I was feeling like her confidence

514
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: was gonna get kind of in the way of her experience,

515
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: and maybe we're just seeing that's how she verbalizes kind

516
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: of feeling uncomfortable and being like I started out this

517
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: thing and I thought he was it, and I thought

518
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: this thing was over on night one, and we really

519
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: haven't had any time together. We haven't talked in two weeks,

520
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: and I haven't really seen him and he hasn't been

521
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: paying much attention to me. And so I'm throwing the

522
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: hail Mary. And we've talked about here Mary's on this

523
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: season or on this show before. I felt like this

524
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 2: was almost a Hail Mary for her. It wasn't an

525
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: incomplete pass turnover on downs, it feels more like incomplete pass.

526
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 2: It's still you know, now it's fourth and ten. She's

527
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: got a lot of move room to make up.

528
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: Okay, it's a risk, all right, Well, now it's time

529
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: for the two on one. Before we start that, I

530
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: do want to say there was one part where in

531
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: the beginning where Maria does sort of admit that she

532
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: has said things about Sydney, like called her names. Like

533
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: the one thing is in like the first couple scenes

534
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: of the episode, she goes, have I said she's gonna

535
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: look dumb? Yes, you know what I mean. So those

536
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: are like kind of references to the fact that Sidney

537
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: she has called Sydney like names.

538
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: I don't think at any point I have ever not

539
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: believed that there has not been conflict between the two

540
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 2: of them, and there has not been conversations that are

541
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 2: probably a little ugly or very ugly between the two

542
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: of them. I just still feel like it's being there's

543
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: words being thrown around like bully, yeah and abusive that

544
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: I feel like we're like, no, she just said, you're

545
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: gonna look dumb if you continue to harp on this

546
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: or however whatever context it was and that's not really

547
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: being a bully, that's just her saying how she feels

548
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: like you're gonna look so not convincing yet, keep trying.

549
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced yet.

550
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, well I guess what about tone? What if

551
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: somebody was like, you're dumb.

552
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: Again, I it matters the context that we don't have

553
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 2: and we don't see, and so if you and I

554
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: were sitting together and you're like that you're dumb, well,

555
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, she's just kidding, Like that's just

556
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: a response. However, if you and I were in a

557
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: conversation that was heated and I was like, Ashley, I'm

558
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: gonna go tell Jared that you pick your nose whenever

559
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: he's not around, and you respond with me, well, that's cool,

560
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: but you're gonna look dumb because he already knows it.

561
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: I'd be like that's fine too, Like I am not the.

562
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: Lawyer here, you having a good lawyer brand.

563
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: That's why I'm not convinced. I do think they were

564
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: things said. I don't think they were meant as harshly

565
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: as Sydney took them. And here's the cool part. Here's

566
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: a compliment to Sidney. Maybe She's just so sensitive and

567
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: she's such a sweet soul that anybody being mean to

568
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: her just affects her so deeply, and she doesn't know

569
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: how to respond. Maybe that's what we're getting out of this.

570
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I still just think she handled this

571
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: thing awfully like she should, like as her coach going

572
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: into the show. Actually, what you're doing this?

573
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: I told her not to get involved in any of

574
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: the drama.

575
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. I don't know where you were at,

576
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: but someone was missing here, so back at the hotel.

577
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: Obviously we get now the validation that we knew was

578
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: going to happen. Sydney and Maria are going on a

579
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: two on one. Ones are always interesting. I do think

580
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: they shake up the show. Ashley, you're an expert at

581
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: the two on one experience.

582
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: The Bachelor loves the two on one. Do you know

583
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: how awkward the Bachelor gets?

584
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: Yes, it's I've been on a two on one as

585
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: the Bachelor. It is awful. There. You don't enjoy any

586
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: second of it now, But this one. I mean, during

587
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: my season we did go on a boat as well,

588
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: but this one they stuck them on the tiniest boat possible,

589
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: like to where they needs were alone. Oh that was

590
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: that was great. But you can handle that. I mean,

591
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: you just don't talk to them. You're like, hey, there's

592
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: no secret that you and I don't like each other.

593
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: There's no secret why we're going on this. We don't

594
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: have to talk. We can just sit here in silence.

595
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: It's when the three of them are together that it's

596
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: so amazing to me.

597
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: And this is good all chopter with crystals and so.

598
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: Tell me Ashley what it's like kind of leading up, So,

599
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: what do you think was going through those girls? These

600
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: girls heads as they were on the boat, maybe even

601
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: they're in the car going to this two on one together.

602
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: I think both girls usually think that like they got it,

603
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: Like there's no way that he's ever going to side

604
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: with the other girl. There's just no way. But so

605
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: you're feeling like kind of confident, if not like maybe

606
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: a little cocky.

607
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: Sure, okay, that's fair. But at the same time, you know,

608
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: how I see a two on one, you might as

609
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: well go home right now. Anyways, because have we ever

610
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: known anybody that's gone on a two on one that's

611
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: made it very much farther, very much farther, very much

612
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: much farther.

613
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: We have to get bachelor data to let us know this,

614
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: Like how far.

615
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: Maybe one or two? Like, okay, we can probably assume

616
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: there's been one or two much.

617
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: Wasn't Ashley Rose was actually Ubert? Wasn't she on a

618
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: two on one?

619
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: Oh?

620
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: I think she was Ashley and Ashley best friends and

621
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: she got to third and became the bachelorette, So that

622
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: might be the one.

623
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: But okay, but they're best friends so different.

624
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: That was like the spin on it was that they

625
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: put two best friends together.

626
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: It'd be like sending two sisters on a two on one. Then,

627
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: like it's different context. If you're in the drama, it's

628
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: not good for you and so you might as well

629
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: just go home. Anyways, this two on one was unique

630
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: in the aspect that it's not a surprise. Maria was

631
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: trying to make it feel as normal as possible, and

632
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: Sidney just couldn't function. She was, Yeah, she could not

633
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: function there there, No, she should have just gone home.

634
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: Maria is a better like she's much better at acting.

635
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also maybe that. I also just think Maria

636
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: probably this was affecting her a lot less than it

637
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: was affecting Sidney. I don't. I really think if Sidney

638
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: just stopped, this never gets Brepp brought back up again,

639
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: because I don't think Maria cared that much what Sidney thinks.

640
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: Well, I also think that just Maria has such more

641
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: of a natural chemistry with Joey that it's easier to

642
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 3: be on a date with somebody when like, first and

643
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 3: foremost we connect. Secondly, I have drama with this girl,

644
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: whereas like I think Sidney probably knew in her bones,

645
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: she just wasn't and like there's this there's like a

646
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: line where she's like, I'm totally the one for Joey.

647
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: I don't think she felt that at that point.

648
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: She said it, so, I mean she said it at

649
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: some point. She said it at some point. I would

650
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: say that Sidney at this point should have seen the

651
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: writing on the wall, because outside of everything else, she

652
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: has never had a conversation with Joey that we've seen,

653
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: and we've seen a lot of her conversations that did

654
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: not exist about that did not kind of circle around

655
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: somebody else. If it was yeah, Medina in the age, we.

656
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 3: Didn't see anything we hadn't seen.

657
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: I saw them sitting on the front steps together during

658
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: a pool party, Yeah, they were talking about exactly, so

659
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: any of their conversations, that's.

660
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 3: What I'm seeing. I'm saying like, like we didn't see

661
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: anything beyond her talking about Maria, which builds up the

662
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: characters for you guys to just have no attachment to

663
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 3: this girl at all besides not liking her.

664
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but how many conversations at this point could they

665
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: have actually had?

666
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 3: Probably like four?

667
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, four and all pretty quick, like ten minutes. Yeah,

668
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: so there could have been a lot else, like we

669
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: saw the one, so maybe there's three others sitting out

670
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: there that we didn't see. But outside of everything else,

671
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: Maria definitely had the strong connection. She had definitely used

672
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: her time to make memories, make memories with Joey. Yeah,

673
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: Sydney at this point, you know, is sitting there, probably

674
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: on this date, feeling like the third wheel. And I

675
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 2: feel for her in this moment because outside of everything else,

676
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 2: it's never good to feel alone. And I definitely felt

677
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: like she she felt like the kid looking through the

678
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: window at the party she wasn't invited to, and she

679
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: definitely did probably did not feel like she belonged on

680
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: this date or in that boat with Joey, who should

681
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: be like kind of her rock right now, where she's like,

682
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: at least I'm with Joey. I don't think. I think, yeah,

683
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: Maria was just and Sidney even said it. I mean

684
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: she said like, I'm going on this date to get

685
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: rid of her. Like her focus was not on Hey,

686
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 2: I'm going on this date to get some good experience

687
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: with Joey. It's I'm going on this date to still

688
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: focus on Maria. And it goes to my theory. She

689
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: got put into a situation, she didn't know how to

690
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: get out of it, and she refused to get out

691
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: of it.

692
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: I think it's a I think it's a big reflection

693
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: as to the fact that she and Joey probably weren't

694
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: a match, and she wasn't really fighting for that anymore.

695
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: She was fighting for the truth to be told about her,

696
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: Your truth to be told about Maria.

697
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of you. You have found a way

698
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: to work through this situation, and this will be one

699
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: of the last weeks we're talking about it.

700
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: I'm so excited.

701
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: I agree it's gonna be exhausting because you have looked

702
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: for the good and all this. You have stood up

703
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: for her in a way that some most people wouldn't

704
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: and I'm very thankful that I again, I get to

705
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: do this with you, because I know that's who you are.

706
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: I just, however, think if it wasn't somebody you knew,

707
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: you'd be like, this girl needs to go, and it

708
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: wasn't good. And this experience was one of top five

709
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: hardest characters of the Bachelor to watch because every week

710
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: the last three weeks has kind of been a spiral

711
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: to this point.

712
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 3: So let me say that it's I almost wish, well

713
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: I don't wish, but I find it interesting. I suppose

714
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: if I were able to watch these episodes through the

715
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 3: lens of not knowing Sydney, because me knowing Sydney it's

716
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 3: and knowing her side of the story and everything makes

717
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 3: it just me to me be like, oh, it's not

718
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: that bad. Oh it's not that bad. And I read

719
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 3: these comments, and I hear these messages left on the

720
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: voicemail at her store, and I'm just like, I can't

721
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: believe that people say these things. I can't believe the

722
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: online bulloying. But just like in general, I can't believe

723
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: that people regard her as one of the least like

724
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: Bachelor contestants from like recent memory and that she's like

725
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: such a villain. I just cannot see it that way.

726
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 3: And then I also I just wish that you guys

727
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: could see the person that I know, and like, this serious,

728
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: self righteous, absolutely not self aware and not humorous whatsoever

729
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: person that they've been showing you is just not who

730
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: I know at all.

731
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well here, you know, we've always said it. We

732
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: say it every week. Really, it's hard to not like

733
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: somebody wants you get to know somebody. I have zero

734
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: doubt in my mind when Sidney comes on to this

735
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: show that I would be like, yeah, that was a

736
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: raw deal for you. You know, you had the Olivia

737
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: Creedy edit. And that's tough because I know Olivia and

738
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: she's incredible, and I think their storylines in some way

739
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: are similar, where they got mixed up into something they

740
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: aren't familiar with and this show chewed them up and

741
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: spit them out and it wasn't a reflection of who

742
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: they are as people. So I've zeroed out about that.

743
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: I've never doubted for a second that that is the

744
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: case here. But I will also say, yeah, and I

745
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 2: don't think we're ever going to stop it. I don't know,

746
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: you know, you're never gonna talk somebody into it. But

747
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: the fact that people then are like actually mean and

748
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: harmful and trying to hurt somebody outside of this experience

749
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: in the show is wild to me, because The Bachelor

750
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: at its best is a place where we get to

751
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 2: watch people try their hardest and this super uncomfortable, super

752
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: weird environment that nobody's used to, and we get to

753
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: sit at home on our couches and be like, that's ridiculous.

754
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: I can't believe you said that. That is hilarious. I'm

755
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 2: glad you're doing that and not me. You are making

756
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: no sense to me. But the fact that that would

757
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: ever transition over to the real world and make people go,

758
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to take time out of my day to

759
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: try to hurt somebody else, or hurt this person or

760
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: make sure they know that they suck is one not

761
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 2: appropriate too, something I can't comprehend. And three some Honestly,

762
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: if that's if that's you, if you have those thoughts

763
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: where you're like, I hate this person so much that

764
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to make sure they know that else you

765
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: know that I'm going to make sure that try to

766
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: make their life even worse, Like I want you to

767
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 2: try to get some help, like, get some help because

768
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: that because I'll tell you this, there's a lot more

769
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 2: joy in the world when you aren't focused on trying

770
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: to make other people hurt worse, but try to make

771
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: people feel a little bit better. And so maybe try

772
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: that technique, Like when you start to feel all this

773
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 2: hate and hurt and pain and anger towards this character

774
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: that's again trying their hardest in this weird environment, maybe

775
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: taking to breath and switching to Okay, I'm assuming she's

776
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: probably not feeling great about herself in general. I can critique,

777
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: and I can talk about, and I can ask questions about,

778
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: but maybe I could share a little like love with her,

779
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 2: Like maybe I could just be like, Hey, you know what, Yeah,

780
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: do I think you did great? If issues on this

781
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: podcast now, I would say no, I think this was

782
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: a you walked this show in a horrifically terrible way.

783
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 2: But it's not a reflection of like me disliking you,

784
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: it's not at all. It's just I don't I think

785
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: there was better ways you could have gone about this

786
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: whole thing.

787
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: Can I share with you a quote from one of

788
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 3: these voicemails that was left on her work phone and

789
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: I know that Jared mentioned it because he wanted to

790
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: air it, And one of our producers goes, I don't

791
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: know about the legality of us airing voicemails. I don't know.

792
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: I think it would be okay if we've believed out

793
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: the name. One thing I noticed is that a lot

794
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: of the haters on Instagram and all the people that

795
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 3: left a voicemail, they're all older, like, they're all like

796
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: fifties and up. And I just find that to be

797
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: a weird trend. But a lot of the haters on okay,

798
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 3: So let's leave that out there. It's just kind of strange.

799
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: You think that they would know better, You think that

800
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: they'd have more important things to do. You think they

801
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 3: didn't have children, and like more sympathy, empathy and all that.

802
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: Pain reflects pain, and so I think that's one Also

803
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: is Sidney has the ability now to speak into people

804
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: that are hurting because they're the ones reaching out to her,

805
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: not you know, somebody that isn't hurting in life doesn't

806
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 2: go out of their way to hurt somebody else. That's

807
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: just not how life works. It's not how like the

808
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: human instincts work. And so people calling upon her and

809
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: saying these things are probably experiencing some sort of pain themselves.

810
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 2: The other side of this that Sydney could probably get

811
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: some confidence in is these people will not be remembering

812
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 2: Sydney's storyline six months from now, right like it's gone,

813
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: it's coming gone.

814
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 3: Thank you for being wise, Ben.

815
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: What was the quote? Though you said you're gonna say

816
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: a quote. You can say it. I know you can say.

817
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 2: I can't hear the voicemail, but you can say the quote.

818
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: So this woman was like, Hi, I'm so and so,

819
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: I'm fifty something years old from like whatever she stated

820
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: her state, and then she goes, I at you and

821
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 3: blah blah blahlah blah, you are a skanky bitch, the

822
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: worst person I could ever imagine. Lah la, la la,

823
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: all these insults, and then says this, you're the kind

824
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: of woman who once you get married and one day

825
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: you'll eventually divorce this man and you will divorce him

826
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: and claim that he has abused the children, molested the children.

827
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: That's the kind of person you are.

828
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: Goodness gracious, Well, I know there's a callous to say.

829
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: And NEI will build up too where she hears this

830
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: stuff and she's like that's just craziness, right like.

831
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: That just I know, I said, like it's just like

832
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: you could leaning to laugh at that person.

833
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and you also just need to know that

834
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 2: those people calling her are not They're hurting in life

835
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: and this show is very important to them and they

836
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: are feeling like their value comes from that one voice

837
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: mode that they get to leave. And for that, it's

838
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 2: not the type of life I want to live. It's

839
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: the type of life some choose to live or they

840
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: get thrown into. But Sydney now has a touch on

841
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: a lot of people that are hurting because they're the

842
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: ones reaching out. It's just not fair to her to

843
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: have this be such an impactful thing in her life. Again,

844
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 2: as her coach, I would say, stay off of social media,

845
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: don't post any videos that are that youth that she

846
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: believes are going to like revolutionize the way people think

847
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: of her, because quite honestly, her stories now come and

848
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: gone and people will move on and by the end

849
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: of the season, this won't be a topic that we

850
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: even talk about. It will be gone. And you know what,

851
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: I hope one day she can find redemption on another

852
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: show where we can see the real or the better

853
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: side of her where maybe she does learn her lesson

854
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: to not get involved in drama. I still think that's

855
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: a great lesson for her to learn here, stay out

856
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: of it. She doesn't need to be the voice of

857
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: truth for everybody, or doesn't even need to be the

858
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: one that says, hey, I'm going to pick out the

859
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: villain and try to get her kicked out. If that's

860
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: what she was thinking Maria was. I stand by the

861
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 2: fact I think that she could have done better here

862
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, as do I. Yeah, we see this

863
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: two on one. It doesn't go any other direction other

864
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: than the fact that Maria stays and Sydney goes home.

865
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: Everything else is kind of business as usual. Sidney is

866
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: kind of stuck here, and again this just really bad

867
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: time of trying to get Maria gone, and Joey has

868
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: too much of a relationship with Maria to really say

869
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: goodbye to her yet or even in this.

870
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 3: Instance, and they had the opera singer waiting to sing

871
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: of a Maria.

872
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: Well, I think this show probably knew what was going

873
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: to happen.

874
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: They knew, They certainly knew.

875
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: I think at this point Joey went into this date

876
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 2: knowing what was going to happen. I don't think anything

877
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: was changing his mind. You do have a sense, I

878
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: will say, of how this stuff's going to play out,

879
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 2: especially before you go on the date. I'm I'm sensing

880
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: that Joey probably knew that Sidney was not in a

881
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: good place on this show and there was no getting

882
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 2: her out of this, and it was just best if

883
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: Maria stayed and Sydney went home. And it's good for

884
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: Sidney that she went home. Honestly, I'm happy that we

885
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: don't talk about it again. However, it doesn't end us

886
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 2: talking about Maria and other girls in the house, specifically

887
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: Leah being very upset with her. So we see this

888
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: cocktail party at the end of the episode. The cocktail

889
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: party is short because it is a two part episode.

890
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 2: Medina is very nice too. Maria kind of says, hey,

891
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: I'm happy you're here. You look beautiful, and Leah takes

892
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: offense to this, pulls Medina aside and pretty. And I

893
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: think this is where you and I might have to disagree,

894
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: because I think Leah, just from hearing the stuff she

895
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: was saying to Medina, I don't know if Leah is

896
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 2: that much different than Sidney in this experience. I think

897
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: they're kind of are two people in the same camp,

898
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 2: because Leah says things the Medina that are incredibly hurtful, like, hey,

899
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: I just I guess I have high standards.

900
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 3: I know the higher standards for my friend's thing, like

901
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: I know.

902
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: And I have higher values. It pretty much what I

903
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: wanted Medina to say back to her is I want

904
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: her to question her on that a little bit, like

905
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: what do you mean by that? So you are righteous,

906
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: like you are self righteous, you believe you know what's best,

907
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 2: and as you know, famous philosophers once said the lack

908
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: of humility. I won't go into the whole quote because

909
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: I don't know the whole quote, but pretty much what

910
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: it says is like, lacking humility and lacking any type

911
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: of ability to self reflect will ultimately be the diminister

912
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: to any relationships. And Leah here in her conversation with Medina,

913
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: definitely put her Medina in a corner, and I liked

914
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: how Madina explained it. She said, Hey, I'm just trying

915
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 2: to be nice to her, Like, why would we continue

916
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 2: to spark this drama flame that doesn't need to exist

917
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: any longer. I'm happy that she's here and I'm going

918
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: to do this experience how I want to do this experience.

919
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: You have no right to judge me on how I'm

920
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: doing this experience.

921
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. The only point that I try to like use

922
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 3: this moment, not the actual conversation, but like the whole

923
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 3: like cocktail party to help defend Sidney is that, like,

924
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: I think it's obvious at this point that there are

925
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: a few other girls that have issues with Maria, and

926
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: it wasn't just her on her solo ship against her,

927
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: So I think that there was other things going on

928
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: that were ruffling the feathers of a lot of people

929
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 3: instead of it just being like Sydney. But I do

930
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 3: think Sidney took the mistake of being the spokesperson for everyone.

931
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: But that's where I'm confused, because originally we would have

932
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: thought Medina was the one that was upset with Maria,

933
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: because that's where this whole thing started from her rightly

934
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 2: now and now Medina is able to move on and

935
00:50:54,480 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: be cordial and kind. Really, unless I'm confused here, Leah

936
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: is the only one that's really now speaking out, and

937
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: she's only really been the one to speak out on

938
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 2: Sydney's side since the beginning, and even in Leya's conversation

939
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: with others, she was like, I was very soft, you

940
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: know about how I explained it. No, you weren't. Like

941
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: you pretty much just told somebody they have no standards.

942
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, she did say that she was soft, and that

943
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: was like.

944
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: You weren't soft, you were really mean, Actually you were.

945
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: This was like a really hard conversation for you to

946
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: have somebody. Like if somebody were to come up to

947
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 2: me and say, you know what, I guess I just

948
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: hold myself to a higher standard than you do, I

949
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: know what, Like what I mean, that's a really mean

950
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: thing to say to somebody. So I feel like this

951
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: has not convinced me that there's others. It feels like

952
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: and we're gonna hopefully see it in this next episode,

953
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: but we're gonna see how this all plays out. Maybe

954
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: I'm completely wrong, and yes, Maria is the flame that

955
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: sparks controversy amongst his house. And we see the other

956
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: woman coming out and being like, yeah, you know what,

957
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm sick and tired of this, and then I'd have

958
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: to take all this back. But at this point in

959
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: time where I sit right now, this conversation with Leya Medina,

960
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 2: if onlything justified in my mind that Maria's gotten under

961
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 2: some people's skin, but only the people who she could

962
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: get under the skin of. Everybody else is like, I'm

963
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: cool with it. Like she yeah, she's boisterous and she

964
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: is outspoken, and she says things that, yes, could come

965
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: off wild and maybe a little bit like intrusive, but

966
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: she doesn't mean anything by because that's just who she is.

967
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: I did not think this was a validating conversation for

968
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: Laya Medina. I thought the stuff that was said to

969
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: Medina was unfair. It was incredibly critical, and it was

970
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 2: that like, let me smile and put a nice like

971
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 2: face on and tell you hey, like I'm just better

972
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 2: than you.

973
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 3: Now I know, I completely agree. The first time I

974
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 3: watched it a couple days ago, and I skimmed through

975
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 3: it and I was like, oh, well, this will be

976
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: good for Sydney, And then I really paid attention to

977
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 3: the conversation and I was like, oh, no, that's not

978
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 3: good either. But I do want but I do think

979
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 3: that Medina and then Caitlin, they did reference the fact

980
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 3: that like everybody was kind of sad to see Sydney

981
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: loves So I just want to let you guys know

982
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 3: that she like obviously had friends in the house.

983
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: I have no doubt that she has friend like people.

984
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 3: Like did not think that she was this horrible person.

985
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: I honestly, I don't think anybody in this house thinks

986
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: Maria is horrible or Sidney. And that's why this thing

987
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: was so frustrating to me, because in my eyes watching it,

988
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 2: it's like, this is a this is something that doesn't

989
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: need to be existing because there could be peace in

990
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: this house because I think everybody's getting along just fine,

991
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: and Sydney, you don't have to fall on this sord

992
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 2: because I don't think it's a sword you need to

993
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: fall on. I don't know if it's actually existing. Yeah,

994
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: that was been the argument the whole time, is you

995
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 2: you're making something that doesn't need to be happening happen.

996
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 2: And yeah, she had friends in the house. I'm sure

997
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: she did. I don't think everybody hated Sydney. I don't

998
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: think everybody hates Maria.

999
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we'll see it tomorrow if there's anything that

1000
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 3: rose from this, and if there isn't, then like, I'm

1001
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 3: so happy to leave it all in the dust.

1002
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: Honestly, it would make a lot more sense if we

1003
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: got more explanation for the storyline that has existed for

1004
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: the last four weeks. It is good to leave it

1005
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: behind us. It is not worth hating on Sydney for

1006
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: because obviously, as we just mentioned, she had friends in

1007
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: the house, she was liked in the house. I think

1008
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: we could probably just take this one small example, and

1009
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: it does feel like it started from a Madena conversation

1010
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: that Sidney felt like she needed to protect Madina from

1011
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: and now Bedena's good and they're all moving forward, and

1012
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 2: it just spiraled into a place where she could not

1013
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: get out of it, or she could not find the

1014
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 2: right mindset to get out of it, and it ultimately

1015
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 2: led to her going home. And that's probably where we

1016
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 2: could leave it. There needs to be no other criticisms

1017
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: other than this just got really unfortunate, really fast, and

1018
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 2: Sidney's storyline was not a good one.

1019
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 3: LEVI also just bring up on for thing though, the

1020
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 3: comment of like of Maria saying and shut the fuck

1021
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 3: up to Lea was brought up, and what would I

1022
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 3: would feel like? Those are those are kind of like

1023
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 3: fighting words. If somebody in the Bachelor Mansion said shut

1024
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 3: the fuck up to me, I'd be like no, no, I

1025
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: hate you now, I hate you, I.

1026
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: Might say to Lea after she tells me that her

1027
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: standards are better than mine.

1028
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 3: It's a good come back.

1029
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: I could see myself being like, all right, but those

1030
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: these are folk. We can we can play this game,

1031
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: and we're gonna get more. We'll get more explanation of

1032
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: this next episode. I right now did not love the

1033
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 2: Medina and Lea conversation. I did not think it was

1034
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: a healthy, good one, and I felt like it was,

1035
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: to use a word, it was manipulated afterwards to be

1036
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: like I was kind and sweet and I just had

1037
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: to say something to her, and it just felt it

1038
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: felt like it could easily become the thing that gets

1039
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: twisted now in this next episode, where people, again audience

1040
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: members are going how did this happen?

1041
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: Like?

1042
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 2: How did we get so far off track here? I

1043
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: think part of it could just be the fact that

1044
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: but Tina's probably really hurt by the thing said, and

1045
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: she just chose not to confront them there, but she

1046
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: might confront them later, but we'll see. I don't know.

1047
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: I just don't think you can lean on Ashley this

1048
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: lay conversation being a good thing for Sydney. I don't

1049
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: think it improves that at all.

1050
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 3: Okay, well there you go.

1051
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: All right, well let's move on to well, we don't

1052
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: have anything else to move on to. I mean, I

1053
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: was gonna say.

1054
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: Let's move on to headlines, but guess what, guys, we

1055
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 3: do that another episode. So we'll see you there and

1056
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 3: until then, I've been Ashley and I've been.

1057
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: Then we'll talk to you soon.

1058
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,640
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1059
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,920
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