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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we've just been killing time

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Speaker 1: since our last over under win Totals draft. I'm Greg

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Speaker 1: Rosenthal and I am so excited to be joined this

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Speaker 1: year by my number one pick for this show. It's

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Speaker 1: Nick Right. You know them, hopefully you love them. They've

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Speaker 1: expanded First Things First to an extra hour. It's three

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Speaker 1: to six every day Eastern. He also has a great

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Speaker 1: show on YouTube, What's Right with Nick? Right? Nick, you

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Speaker 1: talk so much openly about your maybe irresponsible gambling that

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Speaker 1: you just felt like the right man for this show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, everyone should gamble responsibly, but that is a

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Speaker 2: do as I say, not as I do, edict. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is the best time of year, and thank you

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Speaker 2: for it. Is a true pleasure to be on my

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Speaker 2: favorite daily podcast. That is not an exaggeration, that is true.

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Speaker 2: It has helped. It is the best way for me

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Speaker 2: to keep up with everything that's happening in the NFL

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Speaker 2: during the off season. And if I may shout out

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Speaker 2: Jordan Rodrieg, who I've never met, never spoken with, who

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Speaker 2: I think just does an awesome job. I also feel

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Speaker 2: like I know Nick Shook really well from the pods,

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Speaker 2: and I know there's a whole cast of characters and

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Speaker 2: everybody does a great job. But I really appreciate you

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Speaker 2: having me on. And now I get is are there

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Speaker 2: stakes on this? Like? How do we determine winners? Is there?

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Speaker 2: Because there I wanted.

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Speaker 1: For the NFL, which has saved me a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, drama internally. But I think we can. I

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Speaker 1: think we can figure out something that could make it fun.

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Speaker 1: That's that's just something.

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Speaker 2: We could just be podcasts related like the winner, like

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Speaker 2: the the winner has to have the other guys podcast

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Speaker 2: logo in the background for an episode or something perfect.

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Speaker 2: I don't you know what I mean that feels because

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Speaker 2: I feel confident.

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Speaker 1: I've honked about it too much. But I'm gonna three

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Speaker 1: year heater with this show. You know, we did it

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Speaker 1: back in the around the NFL days. We've only done

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Speaker 1: three to four picks every year, so it's it's just

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Speaker 1: ten picks over the last three years. So I'm ten

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Speaker 1: and oh over the last three years doing this show.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you're hold on, You have eleven and one. You

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Speaker 2: haven't missed one.

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Speaker 1: Haven't missed a single? One three and oh four O

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Speaker 1: four O. Now I'm good. That streak's probably ending today

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Speaker 1: because we were talking and I agree, it's just the

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Speaker 1: two of us. It's been three or four in the past.

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be fun to get to more shows.

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Speaker 1: And actually, if you check out What's right with Nick, right,

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Speaker 1: he's going through each and every team. But I've I've

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Speaker 1: avoided that. That's already up on his show.

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Speaker 2: So I was worried about that. I was avoiding to

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Speaker 2: front where you're going to get to know my my process?

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Speaker 2: Can I ask a rule here?

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Speaker 1: Yes? All right?

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Speaker 2: If you take a team, yes, is that team is

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Speaker 2: Let's say you had the I'm just going to pick

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Speaker 2: a random one. Let's say you had the Eagles and

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Speaker 2: you had them over eleven and a half. Do I

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Speaker 2: have the ability to take the under on that scene? Okay,

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Speaker 2: so teams get the only thing can't happen. I can't

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Speaker 2: have the exact same bet. But teams are eligible. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that is exact strategy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to to put your stake down and say what

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Speaker 1: are your favorite picks and what we can't double up

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Speaker 1: on them? So it's a draft back and forth and yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're we're using the over underwind totals that are like

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Speaker 1: the most common. I think we took this one off

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Speaker 1: of ESPNS. We don't we don't, we don't have a

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Speaker 1: sponsor right now for picks, but hey, ESPN just bought us,

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Speaker 1: so why not nick I, because you know I do

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Speaker 1: wanted to just come to this fresh. I didn't look

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Speaker 1: at your picks, although I held back giving away one

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Speaker 1: of mine the other show just in case you were

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Speaker 1: listening out of strategy. But I will give you the

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Speaker 2: So here's the thing. You you think you know where

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Speaker 2: to use my first pick. It's a little princess bride.

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Speaker 2: He knows that, I know that, he knows that I

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Speaker 2: believes in US underdog Kansas City Chiefs to go over

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Speaker 2: know they were there. They're unwatchable these days. It's you know,

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Speaker 2: they play a boring brand of football that there is.

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Speaker 2: You know, the league can only help them with so

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Speaker 2: many conspiracies. By the way, if we check back in

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Speaker 2: no one's gonna watch Chiefs Eagles in Week two if

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Speaker 2: Rashie Rice isn't there. That was a smart take. Friends.

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Speaker 2: I'll go with the Chiefs to hit their over like

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Speaker 2: they do literally every single year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you you got me for a second. I did

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Speaker 1: They would have either been my second or third pick overall.

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Speaker 1: Like I am totally with you on they're over. They

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a zag. But we just did our

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Speaker 1: award predictions with Jordan yesterday, and you know we both

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Speaker 1: we are going to get a much more entertaining, better

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Speaker 1: What is there over under this year? And yeah, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they're the their schedule is hard every

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Speaker 1: On the AFC West. So let's calm down. It's fine. Fine,

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Speaker 1: what do you mean, it's like an average division? It's

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Speaker 2: don't know if you've heard about Drew Brees two point

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Speaker 1: Well no, you never know. I mean, if maybe we

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Speaker 1: going to make so many picks. Although I swear to god,

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Speaker 1: it was freaking outrageous. Now I need to share it

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Speaker 1: with people because people think I was outrageous.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, people don't listen. I'll be honest. There are

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Speaker 2: people in the media that I think the audience looks

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Speaker 2: You're not one of them. I don't think people think

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Speaker 2: you're out here making things up. Here's what I would say,

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Speaker 2: because I kind of pushed you for us to do more. Yes,

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Speaker 2: what if only the first five count for your historical record,

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Speaker 2: to give yourself a chance? Then then the Rester bonus pick.

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Speaker 1: That seems confusing to me. Okay, that's fine, arm who's

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Speaker 1: your I think it's actually a good thing. It's like

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Speaker 1: I need a loss. I'm taking the Lions over ten

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Speaker 1: the you know DVOA in the advanced analytics site. Look

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Speaker 1: and there's a reason that number is so low that

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Speaker 1: in general, the NFC North is loaded. The out of

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Speaker 1: division schedule is absolutely outrageous. Their road schedule is preposterous

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Speaker 1: because they're playing all the best teams in the league

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Speaker 1: I think that division is a little overrated in terms

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so that wouldn't have been one of my picks,

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Speaker 2: but that is because I did all thirty I did

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Speaker 2: on What's Right with Nick Wright get it wherever you

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Speaker 2: get your podcast, the I did twelve bets and then

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Speaker 2: but the other twenty teams, I still said which side

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Speaker 2: they weren't one of my bets, but I did lean over.

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Speaker 2: Here is my only trepidation. You said they're going to

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Speaker 2: schematics are more important, like because it's easier to have

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Speaker 2: Johnson rattled golf who you guys have talked about on

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Speaker 1: I mean, why would it be shaken now? He's had

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Speaker 1: so many clunkers in big spots. It does happen. It's

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Speaker 1: why you know, I feel anxious about predicting them to

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Speaker 1: win the super Bowl, but ten and a half games,

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Speaker 1: the schematics take. I do like that one, Like does

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Speaker 1: he have a little Mike Tomlin in them who has

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Speaker 1: not done a good job? The difference is I think

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Speaker 1: man Campbell was so good at picking his coaching staff

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Speaker 1: coach all that. I also like to pick what I'm

433
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: rooting for, and I am rooting for the Raiders this

434
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: year because of Gino, So I'm conflicted. But Pe Carol

435
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a good defensive coach for like the last eight

436
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: years of his career in Seattle, and that roster stinks.

437
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: I mean it is. I think it is the worst

438
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: defensive roster in the NFL. I actually don't think it's close,

439
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: even though it has Max Crosby. They are thirty two,

440
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 1: thirty one thirty so that just seems like a lot

441
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: to overcome for me.

442
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: So that's that's disappointing. I thought you might be with

443
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 2: me because you're like, you know so much.

444
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: I do, and I'm rooting for it. So I'll be

445
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: conflicted when I take the under. Later, if we go

446
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: long enough, we'll see how many we get through. I'm

447
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: gonna go with one I know you're not taking. Maybe

448
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: I should be strategic. Then let's actually go one further

449
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: down the list and let's go Vikings over eight and

450
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: a half. Now, that was one of the things that

451
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: stuck with me all the way Sinceabril you look surprised.

452
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 2: Oh, I am very surprised.

453
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 1: I know they won. What did they win last year?

454
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 2: Fourteen fourteen games and.

455
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: The Bears won five, by the way, and they have

456
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Speaker 1: the exact same over under this year. I just think

457
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: people are just like, oh, how could we possibly recover

458
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: from losing Sam Donald? Just think of all the teams

459
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: that fell apart after they got rid of Sam Donald.

460
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: It's like, no, Sam Donald was not that important to

461
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: this team. The offensive scheme, the best wide receiver in

462
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: the NFL, the coach, they were what's important, and oh,

463
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: by the way, like the best defense in the NFL,

464
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: or maybe the most talented entering year three. I get

465
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: the schedules really tough, and I'm betting on two NFC

466
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: North teams here, which is, like you mentioned, a little

467
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: tricky to go over on both of them. But eight

468
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,719
Speaker 1: and a half just felt like I would be really

469
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: surprised if this team had a losing record this year.

470
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: I really would. I like them better than the Packers.

471
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: I like them, you know, to win. I would put them.

472
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Speaker 1: If it was at nine and a half, I'd go

473
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Speaker 1: over that too. Here's my only question on the best

474
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: defense in football. Part of it so many turnovers last

475
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: year like.

476
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Speaker 2: That is that that is the one piece of that

477
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 2: that is a little concerning, and the other pieces, obviously,

478
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, with the limited experience in college we have,

479
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 2: You're right that we have seen Kevin O'Connell win with

480
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: Cousins and Donald and you know, and get the best

481
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Speaker 2: out of those guys. What we haven't seen Kevin O'Connell

482
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Speaker 2: do is win with inexperience, Like Donald's experience was bad,

483
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: but it was experience. Cousins had a bunch of experience

484
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Speaker 2: obviously when Kevin O'Connell got there, and so JJ not

485
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: playing a ton in college, being that young, and then

486
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: missing all of last year, that to me would be

487
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Speaker 2: a concern. Plus I'm probably higher on the Bears than

488
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: you are, leads to where I would it is hard

489
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Speaker 2: to go from fourteen wins to seven wins like that

490
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: is relatively speaking, pretty rare. But I wouldn't have gone

491
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Speaker 2: with the over so that you could have taken this

492
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Speaker 2: whenever you wanted it.

493
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. After doing these vats, everyone has

494
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: much different opinions. Anyways, it was surprising actually that we

495
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: had so much in common, at least with the Chiefs

496
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: and the Colts up at the top. But I feel

497
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: great about this. Dosmentella said, this is their master's level.

498
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: The year on the defense, year three, I think I

499
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: think they're going to be peaking. All right, you're up next.

500
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Speaker 2: All right. This is one that I fear you might

501
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: have tipped your hand a bit when you the AFC West.

502
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: Isn't that good? This is one of my This goes

503
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: hand in hand with my Raiders over the Denver Broncos

504
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: are not winning ten games under nine and a half.

505
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Speaker 1: I love this. It's pretty low on my list, so

506
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Speaker 1: I'm fine with you taking it and taking more of

507
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: the heat from the Broncos fans who are They're just

508
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: out there.

509
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, listen, be happy you live in one of

510
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: the most beautiful cities in the world. Be happy that

511
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: you get to watch Nikola Jokic play basketball. There's a

512
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: lot of things to be happy about that you live

513
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: in Denver, But this, I I could go quite some

514
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: time about the lunacy of how overvalued I find this

515
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: team to be. First of all, everyone is. Everyone sends

516
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: me these just glowing dissertation Sean Payton gives on bone knicks,

517
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: and all I do is I just google news timeline

518
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: this time seven years ago, six years ago, and five

519
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: years ago, when I was subjected to in the same

520
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: offseasons dissertations about how, hey, Steve Young, you know, he

521
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: reminds me a lot of Taysom Hill, Taysom like that.

522
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: And again, I don't think bo Nicks is Taysom Hill,

523
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: but I think he's closer to Taysom Hill than the

524
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: guy Sean Payton's trying to convince me he's close to,

525
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,239
Speaker 2: which is Drew Brees. I also have never seen a

526
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: team that got went owen seven against the other AFC

527
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: good teams last year, unless we're including the Chiefs backups,

528
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: and then you can't even say they were peaking at

529
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 2: the end of the year. They played Buffalo and got

530
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: curb stumped. So Nick, how did they get to ten wins? Well,

531
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: let's go through it just quickly. And again, I think

532
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: the Brons defense should be really good. I am I

533
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: nervous about the injury concerns for the two big pieces

534
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: from San Francisco, of course, but the quarterbacks that this

535
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: Denver Broncos team beat last year after having a great

536
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: game against Baker were the following Aaron Rodgers Aidan O'Connell,

537
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: whoever the hell was starting for the Saints last year.

538
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: I don't it was a car He's not in football anymore, right,

539
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: br it was it Bright the Panthers quarterback in Week eight?

540
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: Bryce Broncos was rattler. I think on a primetime game.

541
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Speaker 2: Actual, Oh, the Saints Saints was rattler.

542
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: That's right.

543
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't corner. That is correct, Kirk Cousins right before

544
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: they pulled the ripcord the Raiders again. I assume O'Connell

545
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: the Brown starting quarterback in Week thirteen last year. Let's

546
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: check and see who that stud was. It was jamis Uh,

547
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: the Cults quarterback in week fifteen. Is he a starter anymore? No?

548
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. That was Anthony Richardson and then Chad Henny.

549
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: So you beat you beat two guys who are currently starters,

550
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: one of which is forty two now.

551
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: And did you just say they played against Chad Henny?

552
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: And everyone's like, all right, and I'm wrong. Chad Henny's

553
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: not the backup anymore? Is Carson Wentz? It was Carson Wentz.

554
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: I apologie like.

555
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was. I was a lonely

556
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: man once on Chad Henney Island.

557
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: Hey man, he had one of the greatest, one of

558
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: the great out of the Chief's history. Anything is possible

559
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: to scramble on third and sixteen against the Browns in

560
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: the playoffs, But and then I just the only thing

561
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: Sean Payton has enjoyed more than cultivating friends in the

562
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: media and talking up bo Nicks is reminding people how

563
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: close he was to drafting Patrick Mahomes and telling Seth

564
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: Wickersham about his his prietary algorithm of evaluating quarterbacks, which

565
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: is just completion percentage minus bad plays. And so color

566
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: me skeptical that the Broncos are a true contender. I

567
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: will go under.

568
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: I love all that, and they were very you know,

569
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Speaker 1: I made a pretty long list. Broncos under nine and

570
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: a half was on it, though the Swords a bottom,

571
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: but it was on it. Yeah, part of it. Do

572
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: I have the guts because I do like looking at

573
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: offensive line plus defensive line and just like that. That's

574
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: where you find a lot of underrated teams. It's why

575
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna choose my next over I might as well

576
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: just say it's a Jets. It's just gonna be an

577
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: over going high. But that's a reason to like the Broncos,

578
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: by the way, is that, man, their lines really do

579
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: look pretty darn good. And that is Sean Payton's secret sauce,

580
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: I think more than his algorithm. That is so funny. Yeah,

581
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: I think he always has a good offensive line. He's

582
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: hired good offensive line coaches. They've just they've just found

583
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: a way to maximize that unit in a way very

584
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: few teams have. So that makes me worried. But I am.

585
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm under on them too. I love that. All right,

586
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: let's go to the Jets. I've been saying it all

587
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: offseas I got to just like stick with what I

588
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: actually feel. I thought the craziest thing when the when

589
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: the totals still came when they came out was the

590
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: gap between the Dolphins, Patriots, and Jets. I just I

591
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: just don't get it, and I just think these teams

592
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: are all closer than you'd expect. I think the Jets

593
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: have a very good offensive line. I think they could

594
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: have a pretty good defensive line. I like the changes

595
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: in terms of Aaron Glenn becoming their head coach. I

596
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 1: think Robert Sala was a little overrated. I know the

597
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: defense played pretty well for him there but the talent

598
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: on defense is still there in five and a half

599
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: is so low in that division. You look at their schedule,

600
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: the AFC schedules out of the division is ideal, and

601
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: you get four games against Dolphins and the Patriots, which

602
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: I think are winnable at least, you know, split those

603
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: games for the Jets. I feel good about five and

604
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: a half. I think it's one of the it's one

605
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: of the dumbest things in sports. Is nothing harder to do,

606
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, to win a game in the NFL. It's

607
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: it's actually not that hard to win about six games

608
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You don't have to be that good.

609
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: You just need to get a good schedule and have,

610
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, some good vibes in the building and some talent,

611
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: and they definitely have that. So I like the Jets

612
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: to go like seven and ten. I feel good about

613
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: over five and a halfs.

614
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: So listen, here's what I like about the Jets chances

615
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: of just having a normal, fine below average year, which

616
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: is what you're describing. This is the first season that

617
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: players and coaches on the Jets have been able to

618
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: operate day to day with the media and then week

619
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Speaker 2: to week without every single thing being a referendum on

620
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: what about the quarterback? Because going from Donald to Zach

621
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 2: to Aaron, every body was just n PC and the

622
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: development of that guy's movie. And so I thought it

623
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: was really smart of Aaron Glenn to go, like, not

624
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: only move off Aaron, but to also pick as banal

625
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: a quarterback as you could find in fields like listen,

626
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: nobody's really going Nobody's like, oh man, is he the answer?

627
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: He's it's not about n there.

628
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: Oh really, I don't really know that. But there are

629
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Speaker 1: fields fans out there there, yes.

630
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: But still but but it's not everyone else can just

631
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: go about their business and it's like he's building the

632
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: team and then they'll address the quarterback, which is not

633
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: a good way to win a championship, but it might

634
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: be a good way to get things going. So I

635
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. I I don't even remember where

636
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: I had them. I also think the that it doesn't matter,

637
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: so I do think though. My only concern is I

638
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: do think that they're probably the last place team in

639
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: that division. But now some would say the Dolphins the

640
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: floor could fall out, which is fair. But yeah, I

641
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: don't mind the I don't mind over five and a

642
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: half like you.

643
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: I can't do you know, actual bets like you. But

644
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: whatever their playoff odds are, like, I would like the

645
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: value on that. I don't think it's that crazy to

646
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: imagine them as like the seven team you just talked about,

647
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, culture change. I think they're going to be

648
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: a little more like you think the Raiders are going

649
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: to be. Where just culture, which is really important. They

650
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: have a clear like person in charge. Usually it's ownership.

651
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: It gets messy. Douglas and Salah were they were kind

652
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: of feckless. Like this is Aaron Glenn's organization. I mean,

653
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: have you heard a word out of their GM? Do

654
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: you even know who it is? Darren Mujie who has

655
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: no presence whensoever either, And like it's clearly just a

656
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: Glenn higher and it's all about Aaron Glenn. And I'm

657
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm kind of buying into the aeron I used to

658
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: just make them fun.

659
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: Can I do an? I can we have a quick

660
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Speaker 2: sidebar conversation.

661
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to get to these picks,

662
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: but yes, just very quick.

663
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: If the Jets do make the playoffs, I think that

664
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: would probably mean the Patriots don't. Yeah, And if the

665
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: Jets make the playoffs and the Patriots don't. I just

666
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: would like your great producer Eric to just cut together

667
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: a few of your kind of almost just throw in

668
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: asides over the summer about how obviously great Drake May is,

669
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: like it's not even worth discussing like I have, you know,

670
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: like the the and whether it was in your tiers list.

671
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: When you argue with Sando, it's like it's just I

672
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: think in a courtroom, if I were the other attorney,

673
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 2: I would say, objection your honor. Fact's not yet in evidence.

674
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: I like, and I like Drake May.

675
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I had regrets, not regrets, but

676
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: second thoughts after we did that, Kiv tears. It was like,

677
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: am I putting the cart before the horse a little bit?

678
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: Andre me, Well, I mean, if.

679
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: They if they've been as third in the division this year,

680
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: then I'm just saying we need to look at the

681
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: cart and the horse together, all right. My next one,

682
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with another under there's two I'm looking at,

683
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: and so I'm gonna be strategic on which one I

684
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 2: go with. I'm gonna go with one that I think

685
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: you could take the Niners under ten and a half.

686
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: Hmmm.

687
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: So I this will be from a talent perspective, the

688
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: worst defense they've had there since Shanahan first got there. Now,

689
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: I think Sala will do a nice job with you know,

690
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: taking over the coordinator spot. I don't doubt that in

691
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: the least. However, I aside from Bosa Warner, it's a

692
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: bunch of real question marks on the defensive side of

693
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: the ball. I the the injuries at wide receiver at

694
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 2: this point are almost cartoonish. And I now, some quarterbacks

695
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: can take a receiving corps of Sky Moore and Marquez

696
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: Valdez Scantling and win multiple Super Bowls, but rock Perty

697
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: is not one of them, and so that worries me.

698
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey when he's out there is a top three

699
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 2: back in the league, but the win he's out there

700
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: part is concern. And like Trent Williams, they can't win

701
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: without Trent Williams. And Trent Williams backup signed with Kansas City,

702
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: so like that's you know, and he's the oldest tackle

703
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: in the league. All of that plus Kyle not so

704
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: subtly lowering the expectations for everyone, and all of that,

705
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: the fact I couldn't I'm stunned at this number, that

706
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: it's ten and a half, and what right? What everybody

707
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: argues is the schedule, And my counter to that is simple,

708
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: what if the Niners are a soft spot in some

709
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: other team schedule? And so I just the fact that

710
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: this team, in theory, could win the division, make the playoffs,

711
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 2: and the under still hit all take the under ten

712
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: and a half.

713
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is one. I don't know what happens for

714
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: you because you know you're on three hours a day

715
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: now and you got your YouTube show. So I mean,

716
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: first of all, you're doing the nicest thing possible. We're

717
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: not We've never even met in real life. This is

718
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: only the second time you says. But the nicest thing

719
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: you can do for a friend is you're giving me

720
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: more airtime and a day that you're doing little hours

721
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: and hours. But what happens when you just don't know,

722
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: you don't have a take. That's where I'm at with

723
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: this entire division, with the forty nine ers. I've gone

724
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: back and forth in my mind all division. If I

725
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: had to make one right now, I probably would go

726
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: with you and under, but it wouldn't it certainly wouldn't

727
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: make my top ten. And I won't pat myself on

728
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: the back or feel bad about anything that happens in

729
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: this division because I don't have a take. I really

730
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: don't don't. I don't know, I don't know. I don't

731
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: have a strong take on anything that could happen here.

732
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: You could tell me anything, I wouldn't be surprised.

733
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I kind of feel about the Cardinals

734
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 2: and Seahawks. Yes I do. I do feel strongly about

735
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: the Rams that if Stafford's healthy, they're gonna be excellent.

736
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 2: But if Stafford's healthy, part is such a you know, huge,

737
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: you know, dark cloud hanging over all.

738
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: Right, I will I will go next. Got your nine ers,

739
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: You did not take one from me. I'm gonna go

740
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: Cowboys over seven and a half. You're you're you're reacting

741
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: like I took it from you, or that you think

742
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: it's a dumb pick. I love this pick. I could

743
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: have taken it even higher. They're they're in a division

744
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: where I think the commanders are overrated. That that's one

745
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: where I've seen enough of your social clips where I

746
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: know we're on different sides of things there, and so

747
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: I think the commanders are overrated Giants. We'll see I mean,

748
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: they're fine. And man, they have Dak Prescott on their team,

749
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: a quarterback that I absolutely trust, a lot of talent

750
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: on that offensive line that's young. I am buying the

751
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: propaganda that Brian Schottenheimer will be a better head coach

752
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: than he was a coordinator. He's got a little bit

753
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: of his dad. I think he's got that organization in

754
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: terms of his coaching staff and the players kind of

755
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: tuning out the noise as well as he as anyone

756
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: possibly could. And ultimately, I think they still have the

757
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: bones of a team that won twelve games, you know,

758
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: three years in a row with a pretty mediocre head coach.

759
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: I love their defensive line. I mean, I think it

760
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: could be the best edge group in the league. Assuming

761
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: Michaeh Parsons is going to be on the team. And

762
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: I am assuming that. I know you talk about it

763
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: every day and stuff, but it just history tells us

764
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: he will be on that team. It would be a

765
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: blow to my pick if he's not on the team.

766
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: But it's not eight and a half. It's at seven

767
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: and a half, and I feel great. I think they're

768
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: gonna win ten games. I have them in the playoffs

769
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys, this year. Wow, probably should have taken

770
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: them earlier. To be honest, No, I think.

771
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: You didn't need to because I was gonna go under.

772
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: Go for now, have a challenge you could take.

773
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: Well, here's the problem we are. We're I'm working off

774
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: Can I say the sports book that I got my numbers? Yes, okay,

775
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: we have I don't know, and the I'm working off

776
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: the DraftKings numbers. And so the Draft Kings total was

777
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: at eight and a half with a lot of juice

778
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: on the under, so you know what I mean. So

779
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: that's why you st Yes, the real back in the day,

780
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: some win totals landed on even numbers, you know what

781
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: I mean. It was so the real Cowboys total, if

782
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: it was ten years ago, would have been set at eight.

783
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: If you wanna, if you wanna step up here, make

784
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: it eight and we go on different sides. It's just

785
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: a fun little challenge here. I'm good with that.

786
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure deal, that's fine, right, Yeah, So that it's

787
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: so no action if they go eight and nine. I

788
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: kind of screwed you if they go eight nine, because

789
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: you would already land grabbed the seven and a half. No,

790
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: I think this could be a year from hell. For them.

791
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: I I'm very your I respect your football opinion so

792
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: much that your opinion of their D line is making

793
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: me reconsider my opinion of their D line because I

794
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: look at the Cowboys as a team that with with

795
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons should have an okay defense, and without Micah

796
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: Parsons might be one of the worst defenses in football. Now,

797
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: it sounds like you feel very differently than me about that.

798
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: And I also think the I think Micah going to

799
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: get this second opinion on his back is uh not

800
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,479
Speaker 2: so subtle shot across the bow of we will miss games. Yeah,

801
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: I agree, and so there's that. I also, I just

802
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 2: don't see how they Dak's going to have to have

803
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: a phenomenal season for them to win, and I don't

804
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: know it. Like George Pickens is to me, I put

805
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: him in the kind of the bucket of player, which

806
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: is in leads my He's one of the reasons that

807
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: in professional football, more than any other sport, I believe

808
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 2: talent can be wildly overrated. Like I hear so much

809
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: the guy's got so much talent, Like football is too

810
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: hard and too brutal and too many other things that

811
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: if talent's the only thing you can lead with that

812
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily trust you, And so the Schottenheimer piece

813
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: concerns me. I just never like the Hey, if you

814
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: didn't get that job, who else was going to give

815
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: it to you? In the answer to shoot nobody, Like

816
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you I had that always.

817
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: The Cowboys though, they're just they're just different. But what

818
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: they're they're not in general is consistently bad. I mean,

819
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: certainly in the dak or Tony Romo era, like give

820
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: me the back to back lousy years out of the Cowboys,

821
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: I hear all that. I think they are among the

822
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: highest variance defenses in the league. I'm counting a lot

823
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: on Matt Eberflus to like get that system and kind

824
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: of put a top over it. By you know, I

825
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: think it might be ugly early. They have a couple

826
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: really talented cornerbacks and Travon Diggs and Chevon Ravel like that.

827
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: We just don't know. Injury wise, they will be run on.

828
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: Like in the interior, it does not look good. But

829
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: that edge group, if if you just go through it.

830
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,479
Speaker 1: Sam Williams is really talented coming off in a cl

831
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: mar marshawn neland Dante Fowler, Michah Parsons, Donovanezeraku five deep.

832
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: That's as good as it. That's he was good last year.

833
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: He was literally the Commander's probably second best passer. I'm

834
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: just saying he's like a rotational guy. Okay that I

835
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: don't know if that counts as one of your Yeah.

836
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 2: You did Cowboys over I did Cowboys.

837
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: So then I'm back. The one thing I'm rooting for

838
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: now more than anything is the Cowboys not to land

839
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: on eight. That'll just bother me so much. If you

840
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: win because of that.

841
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: No, I won't win because of that.

842
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: It'd be a push, sure, but I mean, like the

843
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: overall competition between okas, if somehow that push makes a difference,

844
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: I'll vote Commanders under nine and a half. I'm not

845
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: being strategic. Also, we only have like ten minutes left,

846
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 1: so I should get the ones out that I want

847
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: because I know you like the Commanders a lot this year.

848
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of ways that this could

849
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: go really wrong. Obviously, it's tough to bet against such

850
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: a or pick because I don't bet against a quarterback

851
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: this good in Jaden Daniels, but it is going to

852
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: be his second year in the league, so it's not

853
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: the longest track record of success a unique offense, and

854
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: I just think the defense could be really poor, the

855
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: skill position depth very poor, and I think there's just

856
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: a lot of ways it could go wrong and they

857
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: could be a losing team.

858
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: So I'm probably not quite as high on the Commanders

859
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 2: as you think. I'm sure what you saw.

860
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: Well, I saw you had them ahead of the Eagles.

861
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: Well, so, yeah, So I had the Commanders and the

862
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: Eagles both eleven and six. And if the in my

863
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: make believe standings in my predictions, am I going to

864
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: actually figure out who would win the make believe tiebreaker?

865
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: Or does tie go to more interesting? It went to

866
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: more if I have him both eleven and six and

867
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: Eagles fans hate me already, might as well be like,

868
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: and you know what, when I've crunched the numbers, the

869
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: Commander's baith on strength of scheduled tiebreaker or they're gonna

870
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 2: win the division. And so my I have a bias

871
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: against skinny football players, particularly the quarterback position. And because

872
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: of that, I was a Jaden skeptic, and he.

873
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: Was like very wrong on Lamar, you know the.

874
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been the most right person in sports

875
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: media about Lamar Jackson in one day, people will admit it.

876
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with being Aaron Judge man, all

877
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: time great, get a statue one day, there's nothing wrong

878
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: with it. Uh and the and Lamar's not skinny. You've

879
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: seen Lamar's neck. It goes past his ears. I was

880
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: worried about Jaden's ability to stay healthy, and last year

881
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: I got to admit when he got obviously injuries. The

882
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: worst thing you can do in sports takery is be like,

883
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: I think the guy's super talented, but I'm worried he

884
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: won't stay healthy because it's it's a bummer of a take,

885
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: and if you are correct, you don't get to like

886
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: be like told you like, there's never like a moment,

887
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: keep it in your pocket. And but he did get

888
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: hit last year. He did get the bruised ribs and

889
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 2: it didn't matter like he had the brief moment where

890
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: his play dipped a bit. He is super talented, and

891
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 2: I love how they added to the offensive line, and

892
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: I think that they're patchworking the defense. So I do

893
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: like the commanders. I'm not a commander's going to the

894
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: super Bowl guy, but I wouldn't have gone under all right,

895
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. It's my turnout. I know.

896
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised went with that so high. That was

897
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: a spiteful just to get a saucy pick in there.

898
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: Go ahead, let's let's go, We'll get.

899
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: This is my uh, this is the last year I

900
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: can ride with this guy in this team if they don't,

901
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: if he doesn't come through for me, and I'm going

902
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: with the Prince that was promised and the Jaguars over

903
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: seven and a half.

904
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: This kills me. This, This shows I shouldn't have taken

905
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: Cowboys or commuted, because in my heart I believe that

906
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: more than the picks I've already done. WI it was

907
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: lower on the list. I'm looking at the stupid list.

908
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: I'm with you.

909
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 2: It's terrible move by you. Listen, man, I still believe

910
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: in Trevor Lawrence. But man, he's got a validated and

911
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: I don't like when people say he never has, like

912
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: it's all based on college year two for him. He

913
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: was good. The following year they started eight and three,

914
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: and then he got maimed in that Monday night football game.

915
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 2: They didn't have a cart to take him off the field.

916
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: And poor guy hasn't been the same ever since. Hopefully

917
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: he is this year. You are, I think correctly super

918
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: high on Travis Hunter. I think for Trevor's case, it's

919
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: really nice that he seems to be they're gonna lean

920
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: more offense than defense with him. Brian Thomas Junior is excellent,

921
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: and it seemed like they were just done with the

922
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 2: Doug Peterson experience, and so I think that we talked

923
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: about how the Colts and the weakness there. I think

924
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 2: in that division, could they win it? Sure would I

925
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: be I'd be devastated if they don't get to eight wins.

926
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 2: I think they can get to ten. So I will

927
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: go over Jacksonville.

928
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: I love that sometimes you don't really know what your

929
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: heart truly feels until you're just like doing these shows.

930
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: And truly I think I would have the Jaguars in

931
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: my top five or so I'm in on this.

932
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: So I got one of your best bets and you

933
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: got one of mine. Yeah, because you've got Colts under

934
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: and I got jackson And.

935
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: With that in mind, I'm going against what I had

936
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: written down and I'm taking Saints under five and a

937
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: half before anyone else does, just in case I just

938
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: feel like, man if they got to five wins, I

939
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: would say, bravo, Kellen Moore. I just good job. I

940
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: just think this team stinks. I think they could be

941
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: two and fifteen. I went to camp and I was

942
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: actually like, man, their defense is kind of spicy, and

943
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: isn't that what you're You're so surprised by that?

944
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: No, well, I just I just think soft spot in

945
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 2: your heart for Louisiana and for New Orleans.

946
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: And here's the thing though, Saints fans, they don't want this,

947
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: but they kind of want this. So I think if

948
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: they get along the journey, I won't even feel bad

949
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: rudy against them because hashtag arch my back. They want

950
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: the scenario where they're just they're getting in position for

951
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: Archie Manning, who you know they believe will only come

952
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: out in the draft if the Saints have the one pick,

953
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: which is probably wishful thinking and stupid, but.

954
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, I would say, is it not

955
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: on the board that the opposite's true? The only way

956
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: he doesn't come out, I'm gonna go Bengals under nine

957
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: and a half bolt on.

958
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: My very long list. I agree, but wouldn't have been

959
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: something I would have picked.

960
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: I just I don't understand why it's going to be

961
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: different than last year, and the answer can be, well,

962
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 2: the defense won't be quite as bad and the offense

963
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: probably won't be quite as good. I think the Bengals

964
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: offensive line is one of the more underdiscussed big question

965
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: marks of the season. I think that the defense is.

966
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: I listen as a Chiefs fan, I'm glad they got

967
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: rid of Louis and Arumo. Like he I understand that

968
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: he struggled there last year. He sure seemed in the

969
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 2: playoffs to give Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen trouble. Which

970
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: if I'm the Bengals, that's actually all I want for

971
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: my decoordinator. You can do what the Bills do, which

972
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: is have a defensive coordinators that are unbelievable throughout the

973
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: regular season and then can't stop a good quarterback in

974
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: the playoffs or with the Bengals head which is the opposite.

975
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: And so I also fundamentally disagree with how they have

976
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: decided to build this team, and I think that they

977
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: are I think that we are staring at a again.

978
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: I understand he's arguably the greatest coach of all time,

979
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: but so not to disrespect Sean Payton's tenure with the Saints,

980
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 2: but a similar run of when they breeze had three

981
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: consecutive years where he averaged five thousand yards passing and

982
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: they went seven to nine every single year. And I

983
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: think that unlike Sean, I don't think Zach Taylor survives it.

984
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 2: I think they missed the playoffs again, and I think

985
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor's fired.

986
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm torn on this one, but ultimately I agree.

987
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: It's not that different than my colts pick larger than

988
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: just the players involved. It's the organization, it's the structure

989
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: of it all that just that's gonna sink them. Ultimately,

990
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: I agree. All right, I want to have an odd number.

991
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: We can't. We can't be tied. So let's go. I'll

992
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: do two more, you go one more, and then that'll

993
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: put us at nine inch.

994
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: Can I just ask a quick question? Yeah, I know

995
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 2: that math is not a strong suit of this show.

996
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: How on earth does whether we each have eight, nine

997
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: or ten impact whether or not we tie?

998
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: Well, because if we each that's not how I'm an idiot.

999
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: Well you know, why don't we both?

1000
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: I was thinking you're going against each other. We got

1001
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: a lot of shows, you know. I get a lot

1002
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: of shows.

1003
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 2: Listen, man, why don't you do an eighth and then

1004
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: we will have done sixteen.

1005
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: That's happened. That's that's perfect.

1006
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: Man.

1007
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: This is tough, and I'll just give some freebies to

1008
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: the people out there. The ones I'm considering. The Dolphins

1009
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: under eight and a half feels like it's too obvious

1010
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: for everyone, and yet I do like it. The Giants

1011
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: over five and a half takes the little guts, but

1012
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: I do believe in it. I think they're going to

1013
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: be better than people think. The Ravens over eleven and

1014
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: a half doesn't take a lot of guts, but I

1015
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: do think they'll they'll get there. But I think, just

1016
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: for consistency all three years on these over unders, I

1017
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: have taken the Bears under and you know, and this

1018
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: is only going you know, we only had three or

1019
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: four picks each year, and they were my first pick,

1020
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 1: I think, or like last year.

1021
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: Last year, you were correct. I know nobody was more

1022
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: every year I've been correct.

1023
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: They've been under every year.

1024
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: Nobody was more wrong about the Bears in the national

1025
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: media than me last year, and you were about as

1026
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: right as anybody.

1027
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: So ty Ty, and you said in your case Ty

1028
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: goes to, what's the sauce of your pick? To me?

1029
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: The Bear just consistency for the sake of the show,

1030
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: going Bears under for the fourth straight year, even though

1031
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: I do think they will be better eight and a

1032
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: half in that division where I like the Vikings and

1033
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: the Lions quite a bit. I think he'll have done

1034
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 1: a fine job, Ben Johnson. If they win seven or

1035
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: eight games. They're not as talented. I don't think as

1036
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: people think, certainly on defense, and so I'll go under Bears.

1037
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: Okay, that's perfect. I would have got over, So that's perfect.

1038
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: We did it.

1039
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: The only man who could just slide in an amazing

1040
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: joke about you know, the forty nine Ers aren't the

1041
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: type of team that could win with sky Moore and

1042
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: mvs at wide receiver and just just keep on going

1043
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: like I hope that was off the dome. One of

1044
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: the most talented guys in the business. Nick Right.

1045
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: Appreciate you, Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Loved the show.

1046
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: The only thing I don't like about coming on it

1047
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: is it takes now tomorrow. I got nothing to listen to.

1048
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: See you later.

1049
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: Greg, Thanks all right, we will see you. Nick Wright

1050
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 1: and saying goodbye as we hit the music and tell

1051
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: you a little bit about what's coming up later this

1052
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: week Forties and free Agents and FRI You'll be in

1053
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: your feed. Patrick Jordan and I will be over the

1054
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: weekend Our Reasons for Joy in twenty twenty five, and

1055
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: then a couple of season preview episodes with Daniel Jeremiah.

1056
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: Then we are on to our Week one schedule. The

1057
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: over Unders are out. Football is back.