WEBVTT - Secrets of Osama Bin Laden's Hard Drive 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.880 M Hey, everybody, welcome to Behind the Bastards, the show 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:05.960 where we tell you everything you don't know about the 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.080 very worst people in all of history. I'm Robert Evans 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:13.280 hosting your show today, and with me is my friend Iffy. Hey, 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:15.840 how's it going doing great? If he is a comedian 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.360 actor podcast heer? Uh, you want to talk about some 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:21.000 of the stuff you're up to right now? Yeah? You 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.160 know you can listen to me tuesdays on this very 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:28.600 network Nerdificent Monday's Katie Dinner with Matt Niffy talking spicy 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.040 and you know, just every night pretty much, not every night, 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:36.240 but you can see me at comedy clubs doing staying ups. Well, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.960 we are today talking about a very famous nerd who's 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:42.920 not famous for being a nerd, but is famous for 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:48.320 blowing up the World Trade Center towers, um Osama bin Laden. Uh. Yeah, 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.280 he is our subject for today. Uh. Now, when I 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:53.519 started working on this podcast, I figured it was going 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.760 to be like a biographical overview of his weird life 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:57.160 and we're going to talk about all these things from 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:58.960 his past and you know, all the all the stuff 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:00.400 he got up to as a as a young man 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.120 and a kid. Uh. And then I spent an entire 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.840 week looking through the archives that the CIA posted of 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:08.760 everything that was on his hard drives. And so now 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.960 this podcast is going to be mostly about that, because 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.280 it is no matter what you've read about it, it's 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:18.360 so much fucking crazier than what you would guess. Um. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.040 But first we are going to start with a little 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.360 bit of an overview of the man, the myth, the 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:26.480 big and tall gentleman himself, Osama Ibben Mohammed Ibben Awad 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.720 ibbin Laden. He was born on March tenth, nineteen fifty seven, 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.960 to Mohammed bin Laden's tenth wife, Ali Agammon. And as 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.360 you might guess, Mohammed bin Laden was richest shit. He 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.560 was like a self made man, rags to riches sort 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.679 of thing. Started off as a day laborer, built a 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:43.720 billion dollar construction empire. Uh then fund married God knows 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.800 how many women um in the Looming Tower. Lawrence Right 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.440 describes Mohammed bin Laden's household as being run like a corporation. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.760 Each wife would manage your children and then report to 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:54.400 him about how they were doing, so he didn't have 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.360 to do any parenting. Yeah, that's a pretty sweet deal. Um, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.160 here's a great quote. Uh, the children rarely saw the 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.200 great man, who was off in away on business. Whenever 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.160 he returned, he would call them into his office and 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.359 gaze upon his vast brood. During the Islamic feasting days, 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.520 he would kiss them and give each child a gold coin. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.160 Otherwise he rarely spoke to them. Osama once said quote, 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.560 I remember reciting a poem to him, and he gave 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.400 me a hundred rials, which was a huge amount of 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:22.320 money in those days. So that was like Osama's dad. Wow. Yeah, 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.600 it is like once a week he would call them 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:26.920 all in and give them coins. And you know, there's 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.519 there's like an alternate universe where that money he got 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:33.040 from that poem made Osama bin Laden become this great poet. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.760 He's looked at differently in universe six to six, where 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.840 I'm not a stand up comedian, I'm a computer programmer. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.520 Uh rich off a bitcoin. I thought you were going 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.400 to say that you did nine eleven and this alternate 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:53.239 Sama bin Laden where I do it. Um? So yeah. 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.160 You you could describe ben Laden's relationship to his father 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.000 as distant. It's possible he only actually saw him a 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:03.440 couple of times. Um so yeah, Um Mohammed divorced his 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.040 wife shortly after Osama was born. Um, this is an 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:07.320 a sign that he grew up in a fractured at 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.960 home because mohammedan Laden's thing was like marrying and divorcing 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:11.760 a ton of women, but then he'd helped them pick 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:16.000 new husbands. Yeah, which is weird because like Osama wound 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.640 up with his new dad being his real bio dad's 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:27.080 uh employee, which is like a strange situation for everybody involved. Seriously. Yeah. 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.720 Um so yeah, he never really knew his dad very well. 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.560 He was raised by his mom and like the rest 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.880 of us television, Um, his favorite show was Bonanza. His 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.320 favorite genre was American westerns. Um, which actually puts him 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.200 in the same boat as Stalin and Hitler, who were 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:46.320 both obsessed with American westerns. It's almost like there's something 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:50.200 with westerns like that ideology. Yeah, and it makes sense 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.720 that Clint Eastwood is a piece of ship like that. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.840 It all comes full circle. Yeah, Clint Eastwood, John Wayne 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.200 just both big dicks and and yeah it's it's I 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.280 guess a of course, a bunch of monsters and dictators 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.360 would love a genre where like the basic premises like 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.440 unstoppable killing machine with a gun, rides into town and 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.240 murders everyone who annoys him. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.400 the story of the Old West. Um. Although another one 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.800 of his favorite shows was a Western called Fury, which 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.000 was about a young orphan who befriends a black horse 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.200 that helps him heal the wounds of his past. Um 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:27.200 and Solomon Laden loved horses. Was obsessed with horses. Will 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.280 get into that in a little bit. Um. It's worth 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:30.960 noting that for the last few years of his life, 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.680 been Laden wore a cowboy hat every time he went outside. Um. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.120 Apparently he thought this would hide his identity from US 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.200 drones and satellites. I think he was just like, yeah, 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:41.839 I want to be like the man with no name. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.839 Yeah yeah, which is that's a cool move if you're 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.280 the most wanted man in the world donning a black 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:53.560 cowboy hat. Hell yeah. I support Bin Laden in that, um. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.839 Bin Laden was a weird, quiet kid. He had trouble 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.120 making friends and focusing on sports. He always seem to 0:04:58.160 --> 0:04:59.640 have his head in the clouds. He didn't really find 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.599 his crew until high school, when he joined up with 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:05.480 the semi clandestine Muslim brotherhood. One fellow member said only 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.000 nerds were in it. Um, it's kind of like an 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.960 alt right four chance sort of thing, where like there's 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.360 these weird conservative corners of like the nerdy Internet, where 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:19.359 like people are just being turned into fascists and yeah, 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.440 like this was that equivalent of that. Like they're all 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.960 these like nerds who think that like this hard lined 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.159 interpretation of Islam should rule the world, and like they 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.080 don't really get along with every anyone else. Yeah, so 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.680 this is like an old trend in the world. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:37.160 it seems very very cyclical. Yeah. Um, he was stubborn. 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.520 Like I said, he was obsessed with horses, but he 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.479 was also excited by danger. There's a quote from his 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.000 friend Khalifa, who said, uh, and this is again from 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.800 Blooming Tower. We were riding horses in the desert and 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.000 we were going very fast. I saw fine sand in 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:51.440 front of us, and I told I, saw my this 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.359 is dangerous. Better stay away. He said no, and he continued. 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.599 His horse turned over and fell down. He got up laughing. 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.760 Another time, we were riding in a jeep. Whenever he 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:00.560 saw a hill, he would drive very fast and go 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.080 over it, even though we didn't know it was on 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.839 the other side. Really he put us in danger many times, 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.600 which is like I like that. I mean that that 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.800 makes me connect to a Sama a little bit because 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.360 he was a fan of the fun. Yeah, you know, 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.400 all this stuff aside, he had a he had a 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:22.159 soft heart for hidden nice jumps off of dude. Yeah, 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.120 it was just getting that like, it's not really fun 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:29.080 if you can't die. Yeah, I identify with that a little. Um. 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.320 So Yeah. Osama married for the first time in seventy 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.599 four when he was seventeen years old. His wife was 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:41.359 fourteen uh, which yeah yeah um. Marriage and his wartime 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.479 experiences in Afghanistan didn't seem to change his fundamental nature 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.400 as a gawky nerd. One person who met him as 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.280 a young man in Afghanistan said that shaking hands with 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:50.960 him was like shaking hands with a girl, which is 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.240 a misogynistic way of saying. He was not very aggressive. 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:55.520 He was known to cover his mouth with his hand 0:06:55.560 --> 0:07:00.359 while laughing, which is of adorable. Um. He's love of 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.920 horses matured into an outright obsession. One man who met 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.200 him in nineteen eighty five described their first conversation. We 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.320 were in a prayer hall in a guesthouse. People asked 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.560 him to talk, so he talked about horses. He said, 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:12.440 if you love a horse, he will respond to you. 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.480 That's what was in his mind. Horses. So just a 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:20.320 horse love and dude. Yeah, um, yeah. So there's a 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.240 lot of debate over how been Laden got radicalized and 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.840 pushed into an ever more direct confrontation with the US 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.760 Looming Tower, which is being turned into TV show right now, 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.680 and makes the case that Zawahiri, the Egyptian co leader 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.720 of al Qaeda, kind of radicalized him into attacking America. 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.360 Another book I read for this just titled Asama bin 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.400 Laden about Michael Scherer Um assures us that that's bullshit. 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.120 It's a line in the Saudi's pushed to diminish the 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.360 culpability of their native son. Ben Laden would have wound 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.560 up swinging hard for Uncle Sam without zawahirii's help. Either way, 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.040 it seems like both of these are just saying not 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.679 of the U s IS destabilization of the Middle East 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.800 has nothing at all to do with it. It's definitely 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.840 these other people. Yeah, it was something other than him 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:03.440 just being piste off sticking their dick everywhere in Russia's 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.200 sticking there. Yeah, that's one of those things. Is like 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.000 a kid I remember growing off, I was like, why 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.120 did my eleven happened? Mom was like, well, they were 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.960 angry at us for letting women be free and having alcoholics. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.080 Like no, we keep bombing them. They just just whenever 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.880 we want, like this, this is going to be a 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.960 small tangent, we'll bring it back. But it could have 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:27.040 been any country that is screwed over by are just 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.920 tug of war with the other superpowers in the world. 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.520 All it took was just someone with the gumption and 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.400 just enough anger, and you have yourself in Osama bin Laden. Yeah, 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.840 and that's like there, and there was probably a thousand 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.640 other people who had the same anger and similar plans 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:44.480 and just not the means. One of them happened to 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.640 be a rich kid who was like you know, had 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.560 established himself as a as a jihadi leader. But yeah, 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.720 um and he like it is if you look at 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.240 sort of the evolution of terrorism, like Osama fits right in. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.400 Like in seventy two, when he was in middle school, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.199 members of the Palestinian terror group Black September kidnapped a 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.240 bunch of Israeli athletes at the Olympics. It was the 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.400 biggest story in the world. People stopped caring and just 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.880 watching this terrorist thing. So it was like it was 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:10.680 like a lesson as a young man that like, oh, 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.600 media is the biggest thing about committing terrorism. Like that's 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.920 what's important. It doesn't matter how many people you kill. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.079 It matters where you kill them and whether or not, 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:24.160 like it gets traction on the international news. Um and 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.520 you know, obviously bin Laden was good at getting traction 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:31.439 in the international news. By the end um and uh, 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.600 he established a press office in the early nineties, and 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.240 he sent out constant streams of messages and declarations in 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.600 his pre nine eleven years. The problem was nobody read them. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:40.080 Some of this was down to the fact that he 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.160 sucked at writing titles. One article he sent out was 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.160 quote message to his Muslim brothers in the whole world 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.120 and especially in the Arabian Peninsula, which is not clickable. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:54.120 nobody's gonna tweet that ship, yeah at all, Like not 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.160 even you won't believe what happens next, Yeah, you won't 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.360 believe what I have to say to Muslim brothers in 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.280 the whole world and especially in the Arabian Peninsula. There 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.640 there you go. All right, well we'll pitch that to BuzzFeed. 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:10.840 Um In bin Lan moved to Afghanistan. Uh. He and 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.080 his colleagues were free here to like set up training 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.520 camps and practice openly with weaponry for a while. It 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.679 was a pretty cool time and profits and princes. Mark 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.920 Weston describes it. The machine guns his followers used were 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.280 mostly Russian and Chinese a K forty sevens, but also 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.720 included Israeli oozys and American. In sixteens, the militants learned 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.600 how to use dynamite, hand grenades, mortars, shoulder fired rockets, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.000 C three and four explosives. Some nights they watched Hollywood 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.720 action movies, partly to relax, but also to gain tips. 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.520 That actually sounds like a pretty sweet life, like blowing 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.480 stuff up in the desert all day and watching action 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.959 movies at night. Like, I know, I love that they 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.319 use it for chips, because I'm sure those tips weren't 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.280 that great. A lot of terrorists holding guns sideways, Yeah, 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:56.120 I used to imagine them watching True Lies and being 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.640 so on board for that. Oh yeah, that's what we 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.480 got it. We got to get us a harrier jet. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.080 Watching die Hard, Die Hard, did nine eleven. He heard 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.760 it here, folks. Um. Yeah, Bin Laden was a computer guy. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.520 He always had a computer with him because he was 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.240 a hipster. He used an old MacBook UM, which he 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.600 powered using an ancient gas generator that no one else 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.320 was allowed to use. UM. If you grew up in 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.080 the immediate post nine eleven period, you might remember like 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.400 those old diagrams of his fortress in Afghanistan where it 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.600 would show like he has all these different chambers and 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.840 munitions rooms and hydro electric generators. That was all lies. Um. 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.960 He had a mountain fortress, but it like wasn't a 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.680 G I. Joe set. It was just like a bunch 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.120 of caves with a shitty generator and a power book. 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.280 He spent nine eleven in a cave, barely able to 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.520 get a radio signal to here about the attacks. Um. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.760 But when he fled Afghanistan, he brought a media truck 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.080 with him that had been upgraded with satellite TV receivers 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.560 in radio antenna, so he could monitor the news about 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.800 himself as it happened. That was always a priority of him. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:57.959 He wanted to know what people were saying about him 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.600 and about the stuff that he was doing. UM. So 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.120 post nine eleven, bin Laden is officially famous, but he 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.600 still frets over his inability to connect with more people 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.480 on an intellectual level. Folks paid attention to his murders 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.000 but not his ideas, which is a problem all the 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.480 great Hartists have. Um when all kind of courier interviewed 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.079 by The Guardian in Pakistan stated, every time I took 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:18.960 a new tape, he told me how important my mission 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:20.640 was and how this time the Muslims of the world 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.080 would finally listen, and how I must absolutely deliver the 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.600 tape to the right people. Which if you've seen any 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.480 of those videos, it's just been loading talking to a 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.640 camera for hours. Like there's none of the flash the 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:33.920 ices videos where they've got like Dutch angles and see 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.280 that's where it's the next step that you have illusion there, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.640 Like see the reason it didn't catch fires He never 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.120 took a course and after effects. Yeah, yeah, he didn't 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.600 have anybody who could do like speed ramping and stuff. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.719 To like make it look cool. You got to put 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.520 that Ally mcbeel baby in it. That'll give people listening, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:56.280 you know. Um, if you'd one way, it looks like 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:57.840 Osama kind of fell into the trap a lot of 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.920 celebrities wind up and where they sort of obsess over 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.200 media image and flip out every time they're misquoted or misinterpreted. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.600 Um Osama strikes me as someone who, if he was 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.480 on Twitter, would be like James Woods, Um, just like 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:13.600 furious anytime somebody argues with him. Um. Obviously, he went 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.880 on the run when the US invaded Afghanistan even like 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:19.480 spent like five years in constant movement uh, successfully fleeing 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.440 from the most powerful war and surveillance apparatus ever conceived. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.400 Then he moved to a compound in the suburb of 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:29.000 a Bodhabad, Pakistan in January if two thousand six, Um, 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.960 you don't stay hidden for five years in the compound 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.920 from the United States by staying connected to the internet obviously. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.920 So his compound didn't even have a phone line, um, 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:39.920 but he still had access to the Internet, and it 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.920 was like the courier version of dial up Internet. So 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.520 he would type out emails to people and like a 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.959 word document, and he would save him onto a thumb 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.200 drive and then have a courier drive out to like 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.320 an internet cafe in another country or just miles and 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:57.000 miles and miles away and the courier would send those emails, 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:00.439 wait for responses, download them back to a drive, and 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.640 then drive back to ben Laden. Um. But he didn't 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:07.080 just do that with emails. He also, like would download 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:11.719 other things for bin Laden too. Um. Oh yeah, it's 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.080 a good spicy Yeah. So you know, you're sitting in 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.920 a compound that has no phone connection, no television, no 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.800 internet for five years, you're gonna get bored. You're gonna 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.480 ask people to download some stuff for you to watch. Uh, 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.160 And that's exactly what bin Laden did. An Associated Press 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.760 report on this manpowered internet connection noted that the courier 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.200 took other data back, which included, you know, everything you 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:37.040 can imagine, even pornography. Okay, do we have the type? 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.440 Do we have any info on the type? Well, so 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.160 that's a bit there. There has been a bit of 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.960 a battle over releasing what type of porn was on 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.520 Osamam and Lanza, because my guess is Simpson's cartoon porn. 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:58.640 It's it's weird how close you are. Um. Here's how 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.240 Reuter's reported on it when sort of the story first 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.200 broke quote the pornography recovered in bin Laden's compound in 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.920 a Bodabad Pakistan consists of modern electronically recorded video and 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.200 is fairly extensive. The officials said they were not yet 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.200 sure precisely where in the compound the pornography was discovered 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.080 or who had been viewing it. Specifically, these officials said 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.320 they did not know if been Lattin himself had acquired 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:23.760 or viewed the materials, so it's it's a mystery. We 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.640 know that the non pornographic videos and movies that he 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:28.840 had were about a hundred and sixty gigs worth, so 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.200 if they're saying that he had an extensive porn collection, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.960 we can assume that the quantity of porn was substantial, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.960 and the tens to hundreds of gigging its range. His 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.800 porn was apparently kept in a wooden box like we 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.120 all do. Yeah, and it was I shouldn't say his 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.240 point because we can't say for certainty who the porn 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.720 belonged to. And when I first heard that, I was like, Okay, 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.040 so he's probably living in a house with like a 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.480 fucking hundred bodyguards or something like. There's probably like a 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.360 fucking company of guys there and who knows who it is? 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.120 But no, no, no, there were three other men in 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:01.160 the house with him twenty three year old son and 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.880 his two uh couriers who were both in their thirties. 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:09.400 So that's a minimum chance that the porn has been 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.960 Laudon's poem. I'm gonna knock it up to because I 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.600 feel like the couriers, they have access to the internet cafe, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.160 they can go, they go, they can go masturbate away 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.640 from the can they don't. They can use that time. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.560 You know, you go to a internet cafe one about 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.040 three am, it's partially empty. The guy in the front, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.360 he's like falling asleeps curriers and just make sure they 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:31.120 have loose fitting hands. They do what they do. So 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.440 it says either his son or him maybe both. Yeah, 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.920 So that's We're gonna go back and forth on this 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.640 because I've got more details trivial. I've spent probably a 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.840 good two days just trying to figure out who did 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.840 the porn, and maybe it's everybody's maybe like they maybe 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:46.960 they had like a fucking like a note on the 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.360 fridge that was like just write down, Okay, you want 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:53.040 you know, uh ladies spanking each other like part nine 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.200 and uh you want some of that boukaki stuff and yeah, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.160 you want you want the Mickey Mouse porn. Okay, when 0:16:58.160 --> 0:16:59.880 we'll get some of the Mickey Mouse porn on there, 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.400 like yeah, oh yeah, that's that you know prison rules? 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.960 Yeah yeah that that that might make sense to um. Obviously, 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:07.919 the CIA knows the answer to the question because they 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.400 know where the hard drives were found. So like, if 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.399 the porn was in Osama's bedroom, then we know what 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.040 it is. It was in one of his courier's bedroom, 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.440 then maybe it's a currier it was in his son's bedroom. 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.600 But they're not telling anyone. Um. They seem to have 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.000 a weird dedication to hiding the truth whatever it is 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.159 about Osama's porn. We didn't even know for sure it 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.720 existed until May of two fifteen, when the Office of 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.240 James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, confirmed that quote some 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.280 point a graphic material had been recovered during the raid 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.479 that killed Bin latin Um. Clapper spokesman noted, we are 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.359 not going to release these materials due to the nature 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:43.199 of their contents. Um. So. In two thousand and fifteen, 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:47.359 noted journalistic Paragon bro Bible filed a freedom of information 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:53.359 request with CIA. Wro bro Bible doing hard hitting journalism. 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.760 Here is a quote from their request, we are adults. 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.520 We can handle it. We would like to know what 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.359 kind of porn the world's most wanted man jerked it too. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.120 Does being under the constant threat of capture require extra stimulation? 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.240 I imagine it would be hard for him to focus 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.120 on his dick, So I figured he had to watch 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:13.879 some really nasty ship. Um, so so fun because I 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:17.400 was half expecting me Probible. They're like, this is an 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.080 official request from the government that you know they're gonna 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.520 they're gonna have a little bit of professionalism. Nope, they 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:28.520 went the full Probible. They are consistently pro Bible. You 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.640 gotta say that for them. Um, they have a brand 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.400 to protect, because what if the CIA released that request 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.520 and they're like, oh, we don't look, bro, we don't 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:41.679 look that's not bro enough. Oh my gosh. Shockingly, the 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.840 CIA did not respond positive leave to this professionally worded 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.600 information request. They refused to send over bin Lawton's pornography, 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.320 saying quote with regard to the pornographic material Osama bin 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.400 Lawton hadn't his possession at the time of his death, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.480 responsive records, should they exist, would be contained in the 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:01.640 operational files and the CIA is not required to disclose 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.960 operational files UH during f o i A requests, and 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.760 operational files include files that either talk about how foreign 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.120 intelligence or counterintelligence programs work. So basically, if it will 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.359 give away something we do and intelligence, they don't have 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.800 to reveal it, or if it will give away a 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.200 foreign government or terrorist groups scheme that we don't, the 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.679 CIA doesn't let them to know they've cut onto they 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.159 don't have to release it, which brings me to my 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:28.200 first conspiracy theory of the day. Uh And then is 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.280 the theory that al Qaeda's leadership was using coded pornographic 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.320 videos to communicate with each other and disseminate information around 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.520 the world. Here is a quote from an MSNBC article. 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.400 At the time, US officials had pursued a probe into 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.960 whether al Qaeda was using special software that would allow 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.120 the email transition of porn photos implanted with hidden messages 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.600 that could be deciphered by recipients with the right code. 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.040 We thought this was the way that messages were being transmitted, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.560