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We're all about the numbers today. 18 00:01:08,546 --> 00:01:11,626 Speaker 1: Analytics have become one of the hot trends in sports. 19 00:01:11,706 --> 00:01:14,546 Speaker 1: The NBA, of course, uses that metric called per player 20 00:01:14,586 --> 00:01:17,466 Speaker 1: efficiency rating as an all encompassing way to measure a 21 00:01:17,506 --> 00:01:19,906 Speaker 1: player's contributions on the floor. Soccer is a game with 22 00:01:20,026 --> 00:01:22,626 Speaker 1: just seventeen rules, but they even have their own complex 23 00:01:22,706 --> 00:01:26,626 Speaker 1: metrics like expected goals. There's baseball, which has war wins 24 00:01:26,626 --> 00:01:29,186 Speaker 1: above replacement. They introduced that back in the seventies and 25 00:01:29,226 --> 00:01:31,626 Speaker 1: early eighties. But what about the O G metric? And 26 00:01:31,666 --> 00:01:34,786 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about anything Ice Tea has done in 27 00:01:34,866 --> 00:01:38,226 Speaker 1: his career, the one that was adopted in nineteen seventy 28 00:01:38,266 --> 00:01:42,666 Speaker 1: three and is still mentioned every single Sunday during NFL broadcast. 29 00:01:42,666 --> 00:01:45,426 Speaker 1: What's going on everyone, I'm like yam and as always 30 00:01:45,506 --> 00:01:47,946 Speaker 1: joined by a d D. Kinka wala. Today a d D. 31 00:01:48,146 --> 00:01:51,066 Speaker 1: We get to dive into a stat that has stood 32 00:01:51,306 --> 00:01:54,266 Speaker 1: the test of time, passer rating. What is good A 33 00:01:54,346 --> 00:01:56,386 Speaker 1: D D? Well? I feel like this is a really 34 00:01:56,426 --> 00:02:00,306 Speaker 1: good one because people throw around passer rating, Mike, But 35 00:02:00,386 --> 00:02:03,426 Speaker 1: does everybody really know what passer rating is, or how 36 00:02:03,426 --> 00:02:06,546 Speaker 1: it's calculated or what it even really tells us? And 37 00:02:06,706 --> 00:02:10,666 Speaker 1: even though I tell you I try to avoid math, 38 00:02:10,826 --> 00:02:12,666 Speaker 1: I feel like this is math that kind of is 39 00:02:12,706 --> 00:02:17,986 Speaker 1: really important. Yes, agree, maybe sort of? Yeah, I'm with you, 40 00:02:18,106 --> 00:02:20,786 Speaker 1: I'm with you, Okay, Gosh, that just sort of hung 41 00:02:20,826 --> 00:02:25,146 Speaker 1: there for a little while right there. All right, well, 42 00:02:25,226 --> 00:02:27,546 Speaker 1: let's start with history, since you know, as a history major, 43 00:02:27,626 --> 00:02:31,306 Speaker 1: that's my favorite topic to hit. In nineteen seventy three, 44 00:02:32,146 --> 00:02:34,226 Speaker 1: it was the Hall of Fames Don Smith who headed 45 00:02:34,306 --> 00:02:37,666 Speaker 1: up an eight man committee that was also comprised of 46 00:02:37,746 --> 00:02:41,906 Speaker 1: the Elias Sports Bureau, Seymour see Off, and Don Weiss, 47 00:02:41,906 --> 00:02:44,426 Speaker 1: who at the time was the NFL SPR Director, And 48 00:02:44,466 --> 00:02:47,626 Speaker 1: they got together to try to create a way to 49 00:02:47,786 --> 00:02:54,346 Speaker 1: great quarterback performance and it was designed to be independent 50 00:02:54,946 --> 00:02:58,226 Speaker 1: of other metrics in terms of how quarterbacks performed. Now, Mike, 51 00:02:58,226 --> 00:03:00,946 Speaker 1: the committee actually started trying to come up with a 52 00:03:01,026 --> 00:03:05,106 Speaker 1: standardized metric for quarterbacks way back in nineteen sixty, but 53 00:03:05,146 --> 00:03:08,546 Speaker 1: it was real leave following the merger in nineteen seventy 54 00:03:08,586 --> 00:03:11,546 Speaker 1: that then Commissioner Pete Rosel said, we just have to 55 00:03:11,586 --> 00:03:15,026 Speaker 1: find a better way to analyze the performance of quarterbacks. 56 00:03:15,106 --> 00:03:18,706 Speaker 1: And you know what, the NFL had spent a lot 57 00:03:18,746 --> 00:03:21,626 Speaker 1: of time finding ways to crowd a passing champion in 58 00:03:21,626 --> 00:03:24,506 Speaker 1: the league. In the mid nineteen thirties, it was just 59 00:03:24,626 --> 00:03:27,946 Speaker 1: the quarterback with the most passing yards. Then for a 60 00:03:27,986 --> 00:03:31,946 Speaker 1: short while it was only using completion percentage. Then in 61 00:03:31,986 --> 00:03:34,266 Speaker 1: the nineteen forties, they tried to come up with some 62 00:03:34,306 --> 00:03:37,986 Speaker 1: sort of a ranking system that included where players finished 63 00:03:37,986 --> 00:03:43,466 Speaker 1: the year in completions, yards, touchdowns, and interceptions, and stayed 64 00:03:43,506 --> 00:03:46,586 Speaker 1: with some sort of measure of that ranking system until 65 00:03:46,906 --> 00:03:50,546 Speaker 1: ninety three when we finally got the passer rating. You know, indeed, 66 00:03:50,626 --> 00:03:55,306 Speaker 1: it actually makes sense that they would use those categories completions, yards, touchdowns, interceptions. 67 00:03:55,346 --> 00:03:58,266 Speaker 1: Those are sort of the fundamental things that I think 68 00:03:58,306 --> 00:04:01,186 Speaker 1: most fans always point to. But as we're getting more data, 69 00:04:01,426 --> 00:04:03,906 Speaker 1: things have evolved a little bit, and like you mentioned 70 00:04:03,906 --> 00:04:06,146 Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, I don't think anyone on Earth 71 00:04:06,186 --> 00:04:09,066 Speaker 1: could recite the formula unless they are a true mathematician. 72 00:04:09,786 --> 00:04:13,146 Speaker 1: It's hard to digest. In fact, prominent agent Lee Steinberg 73 00:04:13,186 --> 00:04:15,706 Speaker 1: actually said back in two thousand one, other than one 74 00:04:15,706 --> 00:04:18,266 Speaker 1: attorney in our office, I am unaware of a single 75 00:04:18,346 --> 00:04:20,746 Speaker 1: human being who has the capacity to figure out a 76 00:04:20,826 --> 00:04:24,626 Speaker 1: quarterback rating. I couldn't agree more with that. So we 77 00:04:24,666 --> 00:04:27,226 Speaker 1: do know there's one person on the planet, and probably 78 00:04:27,266 --> 00:04:29,026 Speaker 1: the person who invented it, So two people on the 79 00:04:29,026 --> 00:04:32,906 Speaker 1: planet that can give you the full skinny on passer raining. 80 00:04:32,906 --> 00:04:34,946 Speaker 1: But trust me when I tell you just have to 81 00:04:34,946 --> 00:04:37,186 Speaker 1: look it up. If you want to see the actual calculation, 82 00:04:37,306 --> 00:04:39,546 Speaker 1: and even that, go and figure it out. It's fractions 83 00:04:39,546 --> 00:04:42,866 Speaker 1: on top of fractions, multiplied by fractions. Trust me, I 84 00:04:42,906 --> 00:04:44,986 Speaker 1: don't want to touch any of this when it comes 85 00:04:44,986 --> 00:04:47,266 Speaker 1: to the mathematical formula. But the one thing that you 86 00:04:47,306 --> 00:04:49,866 Speaker 1: do need to know the five key elements of quarterback 87 00:04:49,906 --> 00:04:52,746 Speaker 1: performance that are used here. And this is more my wheelhouse, right, 88 00:04:52,746 --> 00:04:55,306 Speaker 1: we'll just talk what we see on the football field completions, 89 00:04:55,666 --> 00:05:01,106 Speaker 1: passing yards, passing attempts, passing touchdowns, and interceptions. And since 90 00:05:01,146 --> 00:05:03,826 Speaker 1: the formula is truly something I would need to break down, 91 00:05:04,386 --> 00:05:06,986 Speaker 1: break out that old t I D three calculator. Did 92 00:05:06,986 --> 00:05:10,466 Speaker 1: you have one of those? By the way? Five? Okay, 93 00:05:10,546 --> 00:05:12,506 Speaker 1: yeah I was. Did you play video games on it? 94 00:05:12,546 --> 00:05:14,546 Speaker 1: There's one game that we played which I won't mentioned 95 00:05:14,586 --> 00:05:16,866 Speaker 1: because it's kind of a family show. If you know, 96 00:05:16,946 --> 00:05:19,346 Speaker 1: you know, um a D two, nice person, you weren't 97 00:05:19,346 --> 00:05:21,306 Speaker 1: playing in that game. All right. So let's take a 98 00:05:21,306 --> 00:05:23,426 Speaker 1: look at what a good rating is and what's a 99 00:05:23,466 --> 00:05:26,186 Speaker 1: bad rating, and what's a perfect rating and how we 100 00:05:26,226 --> 00:05:29,066 Speaker 1: actually get there. The committee they crunched the data from 101 00:05:29,146 --> 00:05:32,186 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty to nineteen seventy two and determined that the 102 00:05:32,306 --> 00:05:37,066 Speaker 1: average pastor did the following completed fifty percent of their passes, 103 00:05:37,386 --> 00:05:42,306 Speaker 1: through five touchdowns every one hundred passes, through eleven interceptions 104 00:05:42,346 --> 00:05:46,546 Speaker 1: every two hundred passes, and through for seven yards per tempt. 105 00:05:47,026 --> 00:05:50,626 Speaker 1: Those four marks actually made to be the average in 106 00:05:50,626 --> 00:05:54,666 Speaker 1: the passer rating formulas. So an average market all four categories. 107 00:05:54,666 --> 00:05:56,186 Speaker 1: And you don't need the t I A D three 108 00:05:56,186 --> 00:05:58,386 Speaker 1: calculator for this, I'm just gonna tell you is a 109 00:05:58,466 --> 00:06:01,786 Speaker 1: sixty six point seven passer rating. You're sticking with me 110 00:06:01,826 --> 00:06:04,386 Speaker 1: here not just hit the back fifteen seconds and trust me, 111 00:06:04,426 --> 00:06:07,546 Speaker 1: I'll I said a pretty slow So with passing obviously 112 00:06:07,626 --> 00:06:10,466 Speaker 1: becoming more efficient and just more prominent part of the 113 00:06:10,466 --> 00:06:13,106 Speaker 1: game overall a DT, we've seen a real increase in 114 00:06:13,146 --> 00:06:16,386 Speaker 1: passer rating since the numbers and and really in the 115 00:06:16,466 --> 00:06:20,146 Speaker 1: numbers since its inception. So the average passer rating by 116 00:06:20,186 --> 00:06:22,106 Speaker 1: season I'm going to take you back to nineteen seventy 117 00:06:22,106 --> 00:06:25,746 Speaker 1: three was sixty four point nine. It increased in nineteen 118 00:06:25,866 --> 00:06:30,786 Speaker 1: eighty to seventy three point seven, in seventy seven point three. 119 00:06:31,106 --> 00:06:32,666 Speaker 1: I could take you through the trends, but just know 120 00:06:32,746 --> 00:06:36,506 Speaker 1: this in point six, so there has been a straight 121 00:06:36,706 --> 00:06:39,106 Speaker 1: arrow up for the most part in terms of passer 122 00:06:39,226 --> 00:06:41,106 Speaker 1: rating a d D okay, But Mike, what about the 123 00:06:41,146 --> 00:06:46,226 Speaker 1: elusive perfect passer rating and of course the dreaded zero 124 00:06:46,426 --> 00:06:51,026 Speaker 1: passer rating. I witnessed that to actually, So how exactly 125 00:06:51,106 --> 00:06:53,466 Speaker 1: can a quarterback end up in each of those sparts. 126 00:06:53,586 --> 00:06:56,586 Speaker 1: Let's start with the positive, with the perfect rating, that, 127 00:06:56,706 --> 00:07:00,026 Speaker 1: of course is one hundred and fifty eight point three. 128 00:07:00,306 --> 00:07:02,906 Speaker 1: Let's remember that number because when people talk about passer rating, 129 00:07:03,106 --> 00:07:06,826 Speaker 1: it doesn't really carry any relevance unless you know what 130 00:07:06,906 --> 00:07:09,466 Speaker 1: the scale is. And the scale is again, the perfect 131 00:07:09,626 --> 00:07:13,826 Speaker 1: rating is one fifty eight point three. So to get there, 132 00:07:14,146 --> 00:07:16,946 Speaker 1: you need to have the following. A completion percentage of 133 00:07:16,986 --> 00:07:22,546 Speaker 1: at least seventy seven point five per cent. Your touchdowns 134 00:07:22,626 --> 00:07:26,706 Speaker 1: per pass attempt needs to be at least eleven point 135 00:07:26,786 --> 00:07:30,226 Speaker 1: nine percent. That's basically a touchdown every ten or so throws. 136 00:07:30,786 --> 00:07:35,226 Speaker 1: Your yards per attempt should be at least twelve point five, 137 00:07:35,986 --> 00:07:41,026 Speaker 1: and your interception rate has to be a big fat zero. 138 00:07:41,506 --> 00:07:44,266 Speaker 1: So one more time, Mike, I'll say it quickly. Completion 139 00:07:44,306 --> 00:07:48,026 Speaker 1: percentage at least seventy seven and a half touchdowns. You've 140 00:07:48,026 --> 00:07:50,506 Speaker 1: got to throw one about every ten pass attempts or 141 00:07:50,506 --> 00:07:53,266 Speaker 1: so your yards, you've got to be more than twelve 142 00:07:53,346 --> 00:07:56,466 Speaker 1: yards per attempt, and you cannot throw an interception to 143 00:07:56,546 --> 00:07:59,506 Speaker 1: get that perfect one fifty eight point three. As for 144 00:07:59,546 --> 00:08:02,506 Speaker 1: the zero, well, you know, got a complete less than 145 00:08:02,546 --> 00:08:05,466 Speaker 1: thirty percent of your passes, you can't have a single 146 00:08:05,506 --> 00:08:10,426 Speaker 1: touch down, your yards per attempt or probably three yards 147 00:08:10,466 --> 00:08:15,386 Speaker 1: per pass or lower, and you throw a pick basically 148 00:08:15,706 --> 00:08:21,666 Speaker 1: every ten attempts. The last zero passer rating game was, unfortunately, 149 00:08:21,786 --> 00:08:24,986 Speaker 1: Bengals quarterback Brandon Allen. He of course filled in last 150 00:08:25,026 --> 00:08:28,466 Speaker 1: year after Joe Burrow got hurt and against the Ravens 151 00:08:28,546 --> 00:08:31,426 Speaker 1: he went six for twenty one for forty eight yards 152 00:08:31,466 --> 00:08:35,426 Speaker 1: and two interceptions. Now, the last perfect passer rating was 153 00:08:35,666 --> 00:08:37,786 Speaker 1: Mike No surprise, no surprise. You want to guess who 154 00:08:37,786 --> 00:08:41,066 Speaker 1: it was? Uh? Yeah, that guy that's retiring in about 155 00:08:41,106 --> 00:08:45,546 Speaker 1: twenty years, Tom Brady. Yes, it was indeed, the goat 156 00:08:45,626 --> 00:08:49,906 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, who in twenty twenty went twenty two for 157 00:08:50,106 --> 00:08:54,106 Speaker 1: twenty seven for three hundred and forty eight yards and 158 00:08:54,306 --> 00:08:57,626 Speaker 1: four touchdowns against I'll give you one guest, guess the team, 159 00:08:58,266 --> 00:09:04,306 Speaker 1: uh ding ding ding. Good job, Mike. We're trying, we're trying. 160 00:09:05,106 --> 00:09:07,666 Speaker 1: I will admit to you I didn't really know what 161 00:09:07,786 --> 00:09:10,986 Speaker 1: a perfect passer raining actually encompassed until we started doing 162 00:09:11,026 --> 00:09:13,666 Speaker 1: the research for for the show. I mean, even as 163 00:09:13,666 --> 00:09:15,346 Speaker 1: you were going through it, I was like, oh, okay, 164 00:09:15,346 --> 00:09:17,866 Speaker 1: because like even the completion percentage number says, I've heard 165 00:09:17,866 --> 00:09:19,746 Speaker 1: it thrown out there before, and sometimes I see a 166 00:09:19,746 --> 00:09:22,226 Speaker 1: line that's so darn good and it's not a perfect 167 00:09:22,226 --> 00:09:25,186 Speaker 1: passer rating. And now I understand why that that's the case, 168 00:09:25,266 --> 00:09:27,466 Speaker 1: because there's been some epic performances and it's still not 169 00:09:27,506 --> 00:09:29,986 Speaker 1: a perfect passer raining. Well to some degree, it's sort 170 00:09:29,986 --> 00:09:32,146 Speaker 1: of like on base percentage, right, we just accept it 171 00:09:32,186 --> 00:09:34,266 Speaker 1: for what it is, and we don't necessarily think about 172 00:09:34,306 --> 00:09:36,946 Speaker 1: every single metric that goes into it, no doubt. But 173 00:09:36,986 --> 00:09:39,826 Speaker 1: in any case, Mike, we've got a lot more historical 174 00:09:39,986 --> 00:09:42,466 Speaker 1: facts and figures when it comes to passer rating. 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D D and I continue to track them. 211 00:11:36,546 --> 00:11:40,866 Speaker 1: But today's episode is all about quarterback passer raining and 212 00:11:40,906 --> 00:11:43,226 Speaker 1: before the break, we actually gave you the latest or 213 00:11:43,226 --> 00:11:45,546 Speaker 1: the last quarterback to have that perfect rating and the 214 00:11:45,626 --> 00:11:47,066 Speaker 1: zero ratings. So let's take a look at some of 215 00:11:47,146 --> 00:11:51,546 Speaker 1: the historical stats behind the actual metrics. So using the 216 00:11:51,626 --> 00:11:54,706 Speaker 1: requirement of at least tem passing attempts, there have been 217 00:11:54,786 --> 00:11:59,586 Speaker 1: seventy two perfect passer rating games since nineteen considering all 218 00:11:59,626 --> 00:12:01,426 Speaker 1: the games, it's not a big number. So the players 219 00:12:01,466 --> 00:12:04,506 Speaker 1: with the most perfect passer ratings in NFL history. A 220 00:12:04,586 --> 00:12:07,066 Speaker 1: DD there's one that you, oh, fairly well, that's in 221 00:12:07,106 --> 00:12:09,826 Speaker 1: the mix. You want to do a little name dropping here, Well, 222 00:12:09,866 --> 00:12:12,186 Speaker 1: you know, and he's just bitted you. And it's really 223 00:12:12,266 --> 00:12:14,506 Speaker 1: sort of sad because this past year was nothing like 224 00:12:14,626 --> 00:12:16,826 Speaker 1: when he was in his heyday for sure. But Ben 225 00:12:16,946 --> 00:12:21,506 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger and the also retired and Hall of Fame quarterback 226 00:12:21,506 --> 00:12:25,826 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning both had four games with perfect passer ratings. Yeah, 227 00:12:25,906 --> 00:12:28,066 Speaker 1: and of course Tom Brady is on that list, and 228 00:12:28,066 --> 00:12:30,786 Speaker 1: a guy that joined us a couple episodes ago, and 229 00:12:30,906 --> 00:12:32,906 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner, who I know you spent some time with 230 00:12:32,986 --> 00:12:35,226 Speaker 1: recently towards the end of the NFL season. So you 231 00:12:35,226 --> 00:12:38,106 Speaker 1: guys doing some hits on NFL Network. So Brady and Warner, 232 00:12:38,146 --> 00:12:41,306 Speaker 1: both of those guys posted three Phil Simms, the highest 233 00:12:41,306 --> 00:12:44,666 Speaker 1: passer rating ever in a Super Bowl, one fifty point nine. 234 00:12:44,746 --> 00:12:48,066 Speaker 1: That was in Super Bowl twenty one against the Broncos. 235 00:12:48,106 --> 00:12:50,106 Speaker 1: Sam's by the way, and this gives you some context 236 00:12:50,146 --> 00:12:51,906 Speaker 1: on some of these numbers. To get to that one 237 00:12:51,946 --> 00:12:55,026 Speaker 1: fifty point nine passer rating, he was twenty two or 238 00:12:55,066 --> 00:12:58,746 Speaker 1: twenty five for two hundred and sixty eight yards three touchdowns. 239 00:12:58,786 --> 00:13:02,226 Speaker 1: That final score was thirty twenty in that win over Denver. 240 00:13:02,786 --> 00:13:06,386 Speaker 1: Atlanta's Bobby Aber actually holds the distinction for the record 241 00:13:06,426 --> 00:13:09,146 Speaker 1: of having the most passing attempts in which he also 242 00:13:09,186 --> 00:13:11,826 Speaker 1: had a perfect passer rating a d D and lost, 243 00:13:11,866 --> 00:13:14,386 Speaker 1: which is just kind of a massive buzz kill. But 244 00:13:14,426 --> 00:13:17,666 Speaker 1: only four quarterbacks have posted a perfect passer rating in 245 00:13:17,706 --> 00:13:19,906 Speaker 1: a playoff game. One of those guys you just named 246 00:13:19,946 --> 00:13:22,146 Speaker 1: dropped before, and Peyton Manning in two thousand three in 247 00:13:22,186 --> 00:13:24,826 Speaker 1: a wild card game. Dave Craig in three that was 248 00:13:24,906 --> 00:13:28,426 Speaker 1: also a wild card game. Terry Bradshaw always entertaining us, 249 00:13:28,466 --> 00:13:31,026 Speaker 1: not only on Fox but also all those commercials that 250 00:13:31,066 --> 00:13:33,626 Speaker 1: he does. He did in seventy six in a divisional 251 00:13:33,626 --> 00:13:37,146 Speaker 1: game against the Colts, Dandy Don Meredith back in nineteen 252 00:13:37,266 --> 00:13:39,906 Speaker 1: sixty seven a d D also in a divisional game. 253 00:13:40,026 --> 00:13:44,026 Speaker 1: Well now and extremely recently, Mike. It wasn't perfect, but 254 00:13:44,066 --> 00:13:46,746 Speaker 1: it was pretty darn closed. Josh Allen and the Buffalo 255 00:13:46,786 --> 00:13:50,266 Speaker 1: Bills absolutely towards the Patriots in the first round of 256 00:13:50,306 --> 00:13:53,106 Speaker 1: the playoffs this year, and Allen's rating was a one 257 00:13:53,306 --> 00:13:59,306 Speaker 1: fifty seven point six. He went on eight pass yards, 258 00:13:59,426 --> 00:14:04,786 Speaker 1: five passing touchdowns, no interceptions, and his team scored seven 259 00:14:04,826 --> 00:14:08,986 Speaker 1: touchdowns on seven possessions. Now, it's not a perfect passer rating, 260 00:14:09,106 --> 00:14:11,346 Speaker 1: We'll get into that a little bit later, but it 261 00:14:11,426 --> 00:14:15,066 Speaker 1: was the second highest playoff passer rating since nineteen fifty. 262 00:14:15,266 --> 00:14:17,386 Speaker 1: Can you imagine putting out those numbers and it's not 263 00:14:17,506 --> 00:14:20,346 Speaker 1: a perfect pastor like, that's just kind of insane to me. Yeah, 264 00:14:20,346 --> 00:14:22,786 Speaker 1: But if you know Josh Allen, like I know Josh Allen, 265 00:14:23,066 --> 00:14:25,706 Speaker 1: all he cared about was the dub. Oh Yeah, although 266 00:14:25,826 --> 00:14:27,546 Speaker 1: that one touchdown the back of the end somewhere you're 267 00:14:27,586 --> 00:14:29,586 Speaker 1: actually trying to throw it away that At that point, 268 00:14:29,626 --> 00:14:32,546 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, this is going to great. When he's like, 269 00:14:32,586 --> 00:14:35,466 Speaker 1: I wasn't even trying to do that, that's when you 270 00:14:35,506 --> 00:14:37,666 Speaker 1: know you're having as close to a perfect day as 271 00:14:37,706 --> 00:14:39,866 Speaker 1: you can when you think you're throwing the ball away 272 00:14:39,906 --> 00:14:42,306 Speaker 1: and it turns into a touchdown. And indeed, we have 273 00:14:42,466 --> 00:14:45,186 Speaker 1: to mention that Alan actually followed that up this past 274 00:14:45,266 --> 00:14:48,586 Speaker 1: weekend by posting the highest passer rating ever in a 275 00:14:48,626 --> 00:14:50,706 Speaker 1: playoff loss. It was one of the wildest games in 276 00:14:50,826 --> 00:14:54,106 Speaker 1: NFL history of forty two thirty six defeat to Patrick 277 00:14:54,186 --> 00:14:57,426 Speaker 1: Mahomes and the Chiefs. Allen's passer rating was one thirty six. 278 00:14:57,546 --> 00:15:01,626 Speaker 1: Mahomes threw up a point one. Allen basically it felt 279 00:15:01,666 --> 00:15:03,906 Speaker 1: like he was perfect most of the playoffs, but proves 280 00:15:03,946 --> 00:15:05,666 Speaker 1: in the pudding. I guess add that doesn't know is 281 00:15:05,906 --> 00:15:08,946 Speaker 1: matter well, because this goes back to one of our 282 00:15:09,146 --> 00:15:15,266 Speaker 1: previous episodes, Mike, teams need defenses, and defense wins championships, 283 00:15:15,906 --> 00:15:18,506 Speaker 1: and if you can't stop the other team with thirteen 284 00:15:18,546 --> 00:15:21,306 Speaker 1: seconds left, then you probably don't have a good chance 285 00:15:21,306 --> 00:15:24,026 Speaker 1: to win a championship. No, I'm with you there, but 286 00:15:24,106 --> 00:15:27,746 Speaker 1: look so not perfection but almost there. But look, we 287 00:15:27,786 --> 00:15:30,346 Speaker 1: did drop some guys that did have that perfect passer rating. 288 00:15:30,626 --> 00:15:34,466 Speaker 1: There's also the history of the zero passer rating, um 289 00:15:34,666 --> 00:15:38,346 Speaker 1: which is just yeah, I know, but he looked Terry's 290 00:15:38,386 --> 00:15:40,186 Speaker 1: on like the good side of this. He's also on 291 00:15:40,226 --> 00:15:42,306 Speaker 1: the bad side of this, which just means, you know, 292 00:15:42,346 --> 00:15:43,706 Speaker 1: you got a little some ups and downs. But he 293 00:15:43,746 --> 00:15:46,226 Speaker 1: obviously had success and he has a Hall of Famer, 294 00:15:46,306 --> 00:15:48,226 Speaker 1: so he's he can hang his hat on that he 295 00:15:48,306 --> 00:15:53,306 Speaker 1: has the most zero passer rating games with three, which 296 00:15:53,506 --> 00:15:55,826 Speaker 1: kind of thinks. You know, this zero talk is really 297 00:15:55,826 --> 00:15:59,506 Speaker 1: getting depressing, especially since um, I did actually have to 298 00:15:59,506 --> 00:16:02,866 Speaker 1: watch some shoddy quarterback play this year. So let's switch 299 00:16:02,946 --> 00:16:05,626 Speaker 1: to the guys who are at the top of the 300 00:16:05,746 --> 00:16:09,266 Speaker 1: areas passer rating categories that work. Yeah, let's roll. Let's 301 00:16:09,306 --> 00:16:14,066 Speaker 1: keep it positive. Alright here, it's quiz time. It's quiz time. 302 00:16:14,266 --> 00:16:19,066 Speaker 1: Highest paths are rating in history for a career as 303 00:16:19,106 --> 00:16:22,546 Speaker 1: of the end of the one regular season. What do 304 00:16:22,586 --> 00:16:25,146 Speaker 1: you think I actually know this one? I saw this 305 00:16:25,266 --> 00:16:29,826 Speaker 1: during a game broadcast, So I'll throw in Patrick Mahomes. Oh, well, 306 00:16:29,866 --> 00:16:32,266 Speaker 1: you are correct, and that is because currently his career 307 00:16:32,266 --> 00:16:35,586 Speaker 1: pass a rating stands at one oh six point zero. 308 00:16:36,506 --> 00:16:38,826 Speaker 1: He's followed closely by Deshaun Watson, who has a one 309 00:16:38,826 --> 00:16:41,266 Speaker 1: oh four point five, and then, of course future Hall 310 00:16:41,306 --> 00:16:45,266 Speaker 1: of Famer Aaron Rodgers and presumptive m v P whose 311 00:16:45,346 --> 00:16:49,546 Speaker 1: all time career passer rating is one oh four point four. 312 00:16:49,826 --> 00:16:53,026 Speaker 1: Now it's not surprising, actually, Mike that Rogers has the 313 00:16:53,106 --> 00:16:57,626 Speaker 1: top two passer rating seasons of all time. Number one 314 00:16:57,946 --> 00:17:01,066 Speaker 1: was eleven, the year after he beat Ben Roethlisberger and 315 00:17:01,106 --> 00:17:04,026 Speaker 1: the Steelers in the Super Bowl. He posted an absolutely 316 00:17:04,146 --> 00:17:08,786 Speaker 1: absurd one twenty two point five. And then he came 317 00:17:08,826 --> 00:17:11,666 Speaker 1: awfully close to that Mike in when he put up 318 00:17:11,666 --> 00:17:14,666 Speaker 1: a one twenty one point five and he did win 319 00:17:14,706 --> 00:17:17,186 Speaker 1: the m v P that year. Now, the highest passer 320 00:17:17,226 --> 00:17:19,746 Speaker 1: rating by a rookie. This is also somebody who's playing 321 00:17:19,826 --> 00:17:21,306 Speaker 1: right now. In our generation. You want to give it 322 00:17:21,346 --> 00:17:24,266 Speaker 1: a guess, let's go a little Cowboys love for Dak. 323 00:17:24,826 --> 00:17:26,746 Speaker 1: You know what, I feel like, you're cheating. You're getting 324 00:17:26,786 --> 00:17:30,226 Speaker 1: too many of these answers. Correct. It was indeed Dak 325 00:17:30,226 --> 00:17:33,786 Speaker 1: Prescott in sixteen who had a one oh four point nine. 326 00:17:34,426 --> 00:17:37,346 Speaker 1: But let's not forget about a young man who I 327 00:17:37,466 --> 00:17:40,066 Speaker 1: covered all through his rookie year, and that of course, 328 00:17:40,186 --> 00:17:42,986 Speaker 1: is Robert Griffin the third who in two thousand twelve 329 00:17:43,026 --> 00:17:46,426 Speaker 1: with the Washington football team under Mike Shanahan, posted a 330 00:17:46,546 --> 00:17:49,346 Speaker 1: one oh two point four. And here's a little random 331 00:17:49,426 --> 00:17:53,786 Speaker 1: known fact r G threes quarterbacks coach at that time 332 00:17:54,106 --> 00:17:57,586 Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve was Matt Lafleur, who is now 333 00:17:57,826 --> 00:18:01,026 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers head coach in Green Bay, who was also 334 00:18:01,146 --> 00:18:03,826 Speaker 1: part of our record episode. And if you missed the 335 00:18:03,866 --> 00:18:05,986 Speaker 1: record that he had said, I highly encourage to go 336 00:18:06,026 --> 00:18:08,906 Speaker 1: back and check out that edition of NFL explained good 337 00:18:08,946 --> 00:18:12,826 Speaker 1: tease right there, Try and try, okay, highest cumulative team 338 00:18:12,946 --> 00:18:17,266 Speaker 1: passer ratings since nineteen seventy three, So since nineteen seventy three, 339 00:18:17,346 --> 00:18:23,906 Speaker 1: since we started collating, collecting calculating passer rating, the team 340 00:18:23,946 --> 00:18:27,586 Speaker 1: that has the highest passer rating. This one's gonna shock 341 00:18:27,626 --> 00:18:33,586 Speaker 1: you is the Texans within eighty six point one? Yeah right, 342 00:18:34,026 --> 00:18:36,626 Speaker 1: I mean, followed by NFL Royalty. That doesn't wouldn't really 343 00:18:36,666 --> 00:18:39,426 Speaker 1: surprise you, right, The fort are right behind them five 344 00:18:39,466 --> 00:18:44,106 Speaker 1: point oh, the Cowboys, the Packers, and then the Vikings. Wow, 345 00:18:44,186 --> 00:18:47,466 Speaker 1: Minnesota almost even surprises me a little bit. I was thinking, Hey, 346 00:18:47,506 --> 00:18:50,626 Speaker 1: consistency at the quarterback spot when you have real dudes there, right, 347 00:18:50,666 --> 00:18:53,826 Speaker 1: So the Niners come to mind, Packers certainly come to mind, 348 00:18:55,226 --> 00:18:58,066 Speaker 1: followed by Aaron Rodgers of course. Yeah, I think about 349 00:18:58,146 --> 00:19:00,826 Speaker 1: Montana and Steve You like the whole deal. So yeah, 350 00:19:01,186 --> 00:19:03,706 Speaker 1: can you get that has the worst team passer ratings 351 00:19:03,746 --> 00:19:08,386 Speaker 1: since ninety three? Worst? Uh you know what, I'm going 352 00:19:08,426 --> 00:19:13,426 Speaker 1: to guess Detroit again, let's right division, wrong team? It 353 00:19:13,546 --> 00:19:18,066 Speaker 1: is the Chicago Bears. Think about a Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman, 354 00:19:18,866 --> 00:19:20,706 Speaker 1: who I need to tell you though, Rex Grossman is 355 00:19:20,746 --> 00:19:23,226 Speaker 1: one of the nicest humans on the planet, really really 356 00:19:23,346 --> 00:19:28,266 Speaker 1: nice guy, sexy rexy anyway, Uh, Bob Avellini who frustrated 357 00:19:28,266 --> 00:19:32,946 Speaker 1: the Chicago Faithful. He had a fifty four point eight rating. 358 00:19:33,386 --> 00:19:35,346 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you this, I really do believe in 359 00:19:35,386 --> 00:19:37,866 Speaker 1: Justin Fields and uh. I know that the Bears are 360 00:19:38,386 --> 00:19:40,746 Speaker 1: changing the way that they're doing things in their front 361 00:19:40,786 --> 00:19:43,746 Speaker 1: office and searching for a new coaching staff and all that, 362 00:19:43,826 --> 00:19:45,786 Speaker 1: and I believe they're going to put someone in place 363 00:19:45,826 --> 00:19:49,066 Speaker 1: who's going to take the best possible advantage of justin fields, 364 00:19:49,066 --> 00:19:52,146 Speaker 1: and that number will rise. There's my prediction for the day. 365 00:19:52,426 --> 00:19:55,026 Speaker 1: I can't drop a nugs um and athletically kind of 366 00:19:55,026 --> 00:19:57,306 Speaker 1: a freak, which also leads me to think about maybe 367 00:19:57,306 --> 00:19:59,106 Speaker 1: some changes a little bit later that we can discuss 368 00:19:59,186 --> 00:20:01,826 Speaker 1: with passer rating that I think need to be included 369 00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:03,866 Speaker 1: in the co And I think that that's really fair, Mike, 370 00:20:03,906 --> 00:20:07,346 Speaker 1: because people inherently question and passer rating. I mean, first, 371 00:20:07,666 --> 00:20:10,266 Speaker 1: the only stats that seem to matter in passer rating 372 00:20:10,386 --> 00:20:14,306 Speaker 1: are again the completions, the yards, the attempts, the touchdowns, 373 00:20:14,346 --> 00:20:17,226 Speaker 1: and the interceptions. So sometimes you get a little bit 374 00:20:17,226 --> 00:20:20,946 Speaker 1: of a weird rating. Okay, Like let's say you've got 375 00:20:21,026 --> 00:20:25,306 Speaker 1: quarterback A and let's call him, I don't know, Pat 376 00:20:25,426 --> 00:20:31,386 Speaker 1: Liner maybe goes for three hundred yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions. 377 00:20:31,826 --> 00:20:34,586 Speaker 1: But then you've got quarterback because you know, I don't know, 378 00:20:34,786 --> 00:20:37,946 Speaker 1: Jim Tebow maybe goes thirty for forty for just fifty 379 00:20:38,026 --> 00:20:41,746 Speaker 1: yards with no touchdowns and no interceptions. Well, this Jim 380 00:20:41,746 --> 00:20:45,826 Speaker 1: Tebow guy would have the better passerrating despite throwing for 381 00:20:45,946 --> 00:20:49,306 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty fewer yards. How does that make sense? 382 00:20:49,346 --> 00:20:52,786 Speaker 1: Mike Um, it doesn't, which leads me to think that 383 00:20:52,826 --> 00:20:56,506 Speaker 1: there's actually a flaw in the metric. And once again 384 00:20:56,586 --> 00:21:00,586 Speaker 1: it's the evolution of that position and why it's significant. 385 00:21:00,626 --> 00:21:02,706 Speaker 1: So despite all of that, when you look at the 386 00:21:02,746 --> 00:21:05,426 Speaker 1: things that matter most, which is the ws the winds right, 387 00:21:05,786 --> 00:21:08,786 Speaker 1: there is a strong correlation between the team with the 388 00:21:08,946 --> 00:21:15,826 Speaker 1: higher passer rating and getting that victory. This podcast is 389 00:21:15,866 --> 00:21:20,866 Speaker 1: sponsored by Kindrel. 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So last season 406 00:22:23,866 --> 00:22:25,826 Speaker 1: it was actually a little higher seventy nine point four 407 00:22:26,346 --> 00:22:28,666 Speaker 1: of those games. And as far as the Big One, 408 00:22:29,106 --> 00:22:32,906 Speaker 1: only seven times in NFL history has the Super Bowl 409 00:22:32,906 --> 00:22:37,066 Speaker 1: winning quarterback had a lower passer rating than the opposing QB. 410 00:22:37,466 --> 00:22:39,826 Speaker 1: So Tom Brady has actually done it three times, Big Ben. 411 00:22:40,026 --> 00:22:42,466 Speaker 1: He's done it in both his wins. His Super Bowl 412 00:22:42,506 --> 00:22:46,506 Speaker 1: forty win yielded a twenty two point six rating. Don't matter, 413 00:22:46,546 --> 00:22:48,346 Speaker 1: you got the victory, got the victory. You can throw 414 00:22:48,346 --> 00:22:51,066 Speaker 1: that on the resume. Great defense, great run game, great's, 415 00:22:51,146 --> 00:22:53,106 Speaker 1: great run game. He has said, I will tell you this. 416 00:22:53,466 --> 00:22:56,706 Speaker 1: He has said that the second Super Bowl was sweeter 417 00:22:56,866 --> 00:22:59,906 Speaker 1: just because he felt more responsible. But to be fair. 418 00:23:00,506 --> 00:23:02,906 Speaker 1: The Steelers did make that first Super Bowl run because 419 00:23:02,906 --> 00:23:04,666 Speaker 1: of the way he played to get them there, just 420 00:23:04,746 --> 00:23:07,706 Speaker 1: wasn't the greatest of afternoons for him. Look, I mean, 421 00:23:07,826 --> 00:23:10,026 Speaker 1: it's the totality of it. You got the rings, it's 422 00:23:10,066 --> 00:23:12,226 Speaker 1: on the resume. It'll be listed, you know, under the 423 00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:14,786 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame bust when it does happen. John Elway, 424 00:23:14,826 --> 00:23:16,946 Speaker 1: by the way, one super Bowl thirty two, how about 425 00:23:16,946 --> 00:23:20,186 Speaker 1: this a fifty one point nine rating? Nick Foles my 426 00:23:20,226 --> 00:23:22,306 Speaker 1: guy one super Bowl fifty two with a one oh 427 00:23:22,346 --> 00:23:25,906 Speaker 1: six point one that was actually lower than Brady's one 428 00:23:26,026 --> 00:23:29,546 Speaker 1: fifteen point four. But that's because Nick Foles didn't get 429 00:23:29,586 --> 00:23:33,506 Speaker 1: credit for that amazing touchdown catch. Imagine if he had 430 00:23:33,866 --> 00:23:37,426 Speaker 1: good call good call like and that changes the dynamic 431 00:23:37,546 --> 00:23:40,666 Speaker 1: of things the Philly Special. Maybe there should have been 432 00:23:40,706 --> 00:23:48,386 Speaker 1: an asterisk next to that QBR that day. So somebody 433 00:23:48,386 --> 00:23:50,826 Speaker 1: that I've known a long time, Byron Leftwitch, he played 434 00:23:50,906 --> 00:23:53,946 Speaker 1: quarterback with the Steelers. He, of course, as the moment 435 00:23:53,986 --> 00:23:57,266 Speaker 1: that we are recording this right now, is the Bucks 436 00:23:57,346 --> 00:24:01,706 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. I remember him once saying that he never 437 00:24:01,746 --> 00:24:04,386 Speaker 1: really got the QB rating, Like there were times when 438 00:24:04,426 --> 00:24:06,946 Speaker 1: he would feel that he played really well but then 439 00:24:07,026 --> 00:24:09,186 Speaker 1: afterwards he'd look at the box score and his QB 440 00:24:09,346 --> 00:24:13,266 Speaker 1: rating was terrible. And I'm almost sure I am sure 441 00:24:13,666 --> 00:24:16,666 Speaker 1: that he is on the record saying I really don't 442 00:24:16,706 --> 00:24:18,946 Speaker 1: know how it all adds up. I can think of 443 00:24:18,986 --> 00:24:21,026 Speaker 1: somebody else who said that. Trent Dilfer, of course, who's 444 00:24:21,026 --> 00:24:23,826 Speaker 1: an alanist on TV now, he once said the same 445 00:24:23,866 --> 00:24:27,106 Speaker 1: exact thing. He said, I pay attention to my rating 446 00:24:27,186 --> 00:24:30,626 Speaker 1: on third down and in the red zone. Otherwise, it's 447 00:24:30,666 --> 00:24:34,026 Speaker 1: most useful for fantasy football people who are more concerned 448 00:24:34,066 --> 00:24:38,826 Speaker 1: with numbers than good old fashioned winning. Kind of an 449 00:24:38,866 --> 00:24:42,506 Speaker 1: old school approach, because we're even seeing this now. Analytics 450 00:24:42,546 --> 00:24:44,946 Speaker 1: does play a huge part of d D in how 451 00:24:45,066 --> 00:24:51,226 Speaker 1: teams are proceeding and strategizing and executing on the football field. Yeah, 452 00:24:51,226 --> 00:24:52,866 Speaker 1: but that has nothing to do with rating. Like that 453 00:24:52,946 --> 00:24:56,746 Speaker 1: is completely a different thing. Because quarterback rating as an 454 00:24:56,786 --> 00:25:00,546 Speaker 1: assessment as a metric, I think it's very Again, I 455 00:25:00,546 --> 00:25:04,106 Speaker 1: would sit here and argue the single most important metric 456 00:25:04,226 --> 00:25:07,546 Speaker 1: to judge a quarterback by is the W Let's take 457 00:25:07,586 --> 00:25:09,546 Speaker 1: trential for a look. You want a super Bowl on 458 00:25:09,626 --> 00:25:13,826 Speaker 1: the back of a great defense, arguably the greatest defense 459 00:25:13,866 --> 00:25:16,706 Speaker 1: of all time. The two thousand. Ravens coach Brian Billick 460 00:25:16,786 --> 00:25:19,426 Speaker 1: lad that team and he ended his career with a 461 00:25:19,586 --> 00:25:23,346 Speaker 1: very seventy point to pass and rating, but he is 462 00:25:23,386 --> 00:25:26,386 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl champion. I agree with what you're saying, like, 463 00:25:26,426 --> 00:25:28,186 Speaker 1: wins at the end of the day is all that 464 00:25:28,226 --> 00:25:30,346 Speaker 1: matters for all of these teams. But when you are 465 00:25:30,426 --> 00:25:32,826 Speaker 1: trying to assess what I would call the most important 466 00:25:32,866 --> 00:25:34,946 Speaker 1: position in all of sports, and that's why you know 467 00:25:34,986 --> 00:25:37,506 Speaker 1: we're giving a rating, and there are multiple metrics. You 468 00:25:37,546 --> 00:25:40,026 Speaker 1: just mentioned qb are, We've been talking about passer rating. 469 00:25:40,226 --> 00:25:44,226 Speaker 1: There's so many different stats for the evaluation process. Wins 470 00:25:44,226 --> 00:25:47,666 Speaker 1: are there, but even like you said more recently, wins right, Like, uh, 471 00:25:47,706 --> 00:25:49,586 Speaker 1: the Rams got to a Super Bowl with Jared Goff, 472 00:25:49,626 --> 00:25:51,786 Speaker 1: they felt like, hey, we can upgrade at that position. 473 00:25:51,786 --> 00:25:54,306 Speaker 1: We're gonna go and bring in Matthew Stafford. San Francisco 474 00:25:54,346 --> 00:25:56,386 Speaker 1: is a city that I lived in for years. The Niners, 475 00:25:56,426 --> 00:25:58,506 Speaker 1: you know, they drafted trade Lance even though Jimmy g 476 00:25:58,666 --> 00:26:01,026 Speaker 1: a couple of seasons ago gets them to a Super Bowl. 477 00:26:01,106 --> 00:26:02,906 Speaker 1: So look, those teams didn't get over the hump and 478 00:26:02,906 --> 00:26:04,866 Speaker 1: they didn't win, and I get that, but getting to 479 00:26:04,946 --> 00:26:07,826 Speaker 1: that game is really difficult, So I'm with you, and 480 00:26:07,906 --> 00:26:10,306 Speaker 1: maybe wins has to be a factor a d D 481 00:26:10,426 --> 00:26:14,946 Speaker 1: when it comes to passer rating in QB are. Interestingly enough, though, 482 00:26:15,066 --> 00:26:17,306 Speaker 1: when we talked about in the seventies when passer rating 483 00:26:17,386 --> 00:26:19,466 Speaker 1: is sort of evolving and it's the basic metrics that 484 00:26:19,506 --> 00:26:23,186 Speaker 1: are out there now, we are blessed and really fortunate 485 00:26:23,186 --> 00:26:24,506 Speaker 1: and I think in a lot of ways to be 486 00:26:24,546 --> 00:26:27,906 Speaker 1: able to evaluate players differently with more and more data 487 00:26:28,226 --> 00:26:30,506 Speaker 1: next gen stats. If you watch NFL network, I mean 488 00:26:30,506 --> 00:26:32,946 Speaker 1: you see next gen stats all the time during game broadcasting, 489 00:26:32,986 --> 00:26:35,186 Speaker 1: the whole deal. They just threw their hat into the ring, 490 00:26:35,306 --> 00:26:36,946 Speaker 1: and I'm really glad that they did. With a new 491 00:26:37,026 --> 00:26:39,866 Speaker 1: quarterback metric that dropped following week a team, just in 492 00:26:39,906 --> 00:26:42,866 Speaker 1: time of course for the playoffs, and it's called passing Score, 493 00:26:43,346 --> 00:26:46,066 Speaker 1: and it goes deep into the expected value metrics and 494 00:26:46,106 --> 00:26:49,466 Speaker 1: grades quarterbacks on scores between fifty and ninety nine, which, 495 00:26:49,506 --> 00:26:51,546 Speaker 1: by the way, I love those types of numbers. Once 496 00:26:51,586 --> 00:26:54,026 Speaker 1: we get to triple digits, like on grade school, right, 497 00:26:54,026 --> 00:26:55,826 Speaker 1: we got a hundred on exam? You're good, Like, what's 498 00:26:55,826 --> 00:26:58,386 Speaker 1: this one? You know, one sixteen point one thing. But 499 00:26:58,466 --> 00:27:00,546 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to sort of see how 500 00:27:00,586 --> 00:27:02,866 Speaker 1: this holds up QBR, which you just made reference to. 501 00:27:02,986 --> 00:27:06,186 Speaker 1: I was at ESPN when they were unveiling QBR Total 502 00:27:06,426 --> 00:27:11,986 Speaker 1: Quarterback Rating include stats that have passer rating similarities, but 503 00:27:12,066 --> 00:27:16,106 Speaker 1: also some stuff that doesn't like rushing, like sacks, likes turnovers, 504 00:27:16,146 --> 00:27:18,106 Speaker 1: even penalties. So I think it's a little bit more 505 00:27:18,266 --> 00:27:20,586 Speaker 1: of a holistic view a d D. And then you've 506 00:27:20,586 --> 00:27:24,106 Speaker 1: got Pro Football Focus right, like they grade not just quarterbacks. 507 00:27:24,106 --> 00:27:28,186 Speaker 1: They're analyzing every player, every single play, which to me 508 00:27:28,306 --> 00:27:31,106 Speaker 1: is really cool and I think even more fascinating Addy 509 00:27:31,186 --> 00:27:34,346 Speaker 1: when you look at the different categories right ESPN, qb R, 510 00:27:34,666 --> 00:27:38,026 Speaker 1: passer rating, PF grades that are out there, you're gonna 511 00:27:38,106 --> 00:27:42,386 Speaker 1: see similarities and crossover of the different players. But sometimes 512 00:27:42,386 --> 00:27:45,186 Speaker 1: on those lists there's some outliers that are there, like 513 00:27:45,226 --> 00:27:47,266 Speaker 1: one outlier, and I'm not going to go through the list. 514 00:27:47,346 --> 00:27:48,986 Speaker 1: It's it's the names that you would think that are 515 00:27:48,986 --> 00:27:52,226 Speaker 1: in that top ten, top fifteen or so. But if 516 00:27:52,266 --> 00:27:54,546 Speaker 1: you look but let's let's just say that one more time, Mike, 517 00:27:54,586 --> 00:27:57,026 Speaker 1: for guys and gals who are listening. So if you 518 00:27:57,146 --> 00:28:01,386 Speaker 1: took pass or rating traditional passer rating, then you took 519 00:28:01,466 --> 00:28:05,466 Speaker 1: a p F grade, and then you took the ESPNS 520 00:28:06,066 --> 00:28:10,946 Speaker 1: QBR rating. Then, as you were saying, when you look 521 00:28:10,986 --> 00:28:16,226 Speaker 1: across the top you will generally see some similarities, meaning 522 00:28:16,266 --> 00:28:21,626 Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, they're 523 00:28:21,746 --> 00:28:26,026 Speaker 1: kind of in the top ten, top half consistently across 524 00:28:26,066 --> 00:28:30,066 Speaker 1: all three metrics. But as you were just saying, there 525 00:28:30,146 --> 00:28:34,466 Speaker 1: is actually one outlier in this whole system, no doubt, 526 00:28:34,546 --> 00:28:37,546 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is actually that outlier. Right, So this is 527 00:28:37,586 --> 00:28:40,746 Speaker 1: a guy who's got a ton of success running the football, 528 00:28:41,226 --> 00:28:45,706 Speaker 1: twenty two in passer rating, nineteenth in QBR, and guess what, 529 00:28:45,826 --> 00:28:50,386 Speaker 1: PFF actually has some tenth, So once again he's an outlier. 530 00:28:50,386 --> 00:28:53,346 Speaker 1: I'd also include Jimmy Garoppolo on that list, who sits 531 00:28:53,626 --> 00:28:56,906 Speaker 1: ninth in passer rating. You're not gonna see Jimmy G's 532 00:28:57,026 --> 00:29:01,386 Speaker 1: name though, on ESPN's top ten, their QBR or PF's grating. 533 00:29:01,506 --> 00:29:03,946 Speaker 1: So once again, the metrics are a little bit different 534 00:29:04,026 --> 00:29:06,386 Speaker 1: depending on your skill set and think in a lot 535 00:29:06,386 --> 00:29:08,866 Speaker 1: of ways a d D. I had this conversation I 536 00:29:08,946 --> 00:29:11,946 Speaker 1: cornered Cynthia Freeland Um in our NFL Network newsroom the 537 00:29:11,986 --> 00:29:14,266 Speaker 1: other day, and I had said, Hey, your simulations you're 538 00:29:14,346 --> 00:29:16,306 Speaker 1: running three hundred thousand of them. Why do you run 539 00:29:16,346 --> 00:29:19,506 Speaker 1: three hundred thousand simulations when you're doing your individual grades? 540 00:29:19,786 --> 00:29:22,946 Speaker 1: Don't things level out at like ten thousand simulations or 541 00:29:22,946 --> 00:29:25,186 Speaker 1: twenty thousand? Like what's that delta? And she said for 542 00:29:25,226 --> 00:29:27,826 Speaker 1: her and what she does, And I thought it was 543 00:29:27,866 --> 00:29:31,586 Speaker 1: fascinating her proprietary software, which is why it's so damn accurate. 544 00:29:31,746 --> 00:29:34,746 Speaker 1: She's grading out individuals and over three hundred thousand, you 545 00:29:34,746 --> 00:29:37,386 Speaker 1: get a real holistic view when guys don't play and 546 00:29:37,426 --> 00:29:40,106 Speaker 1: when guys are playing. So I think once again, when 547 00:29:40,106 --> 00:29:42,906 Speaker 1: you're evaluating some of these quarterbacks, add it does make 548 00:29:42,946 --> 00:29:46,106 Speaker 1: it fairly interesting if you're going to lean on some 549 00:29:46,146 --> 00:29:49,666 Speaker 1: of these metrics. What metrics matter? And do those metrics 550 00:29:49,706 --> 00:29:53,386 Speaker 1: matter for certain teams? And the quarterback system matters as well, 551 00:29:53,546 --> 00:29:56,466 Speaker 1: so meaning that a quarterback could be a perfect fit 552 00:29:57,106 --> 00:30:00,386 Speaker 1: in one offense in one scheme and one system, and 553 00:30:00,466 --> 00:30:03,506 Speaker 1: not necessarily work so well in another one. I mean 554 00:30:03,546 --> 00:30:07,266 Speaker 1: we see that at every position. Essentially. I still come 555 00:30:07,306 --> 00:30:10,466 Speaker 1: back to this. To me, it's your ability to win, 556 00:30:11,186 --> 00:30:14,826 Speaker 1: and that's what ultimately separates you as a quarterback, because 557 00:30:14,986 --> 00:30:16,826 Speaker 1: the quarterback is the guy that touches the ball on 558 00:30:16,906 --> 00:30:19,226 Speaker 1: every single play. There is no more important position in 559 00:30:19,226 --> 00:30:21,786 Speaker 1: the game of football. That's why he's the highest paid guy. 560 00:30:21,866 --> 00:30:23,986 Speaker 1: That's why he's most likely the face of your franchise, 561 00:30:24,066 --> 00:30:28,146 Speaker 1: that's why he's most often your captain. So in some way, 562 00:30:28,426 --> 00:30:31,546 Speaker 1: quarterback wins should be a stat at least that's how 563 00:30:31,546 --> 00:30:33,786 Speaker 1: I feel about it. With the only thing I would say, 564 00:30:33,786 --> 00:30:35,506 Speaker 1: the only caveat there I'd give you is that this 565 00:30:35,546 --> 00:30:37,586 Speaker 1: is a really rough year for Lamar Jackson. He was 566 00:30:37,666 --> 00:30:40,746 Speaker 1: in and out, hurt, up and down. So it might 567 00:30:40,786 --> 00:30:42,546 Speaker 1: be useful to go back and look at his MVP 568 00:30:42,746 --> 00:30:47,746 Speaker 1: year and see if in this traditional, traditional way of 569 00:30:47,866 --> 00:30:51,706 Speaker 1: gauging quarterback play he did indeed fit that or because 570 00:30:51,786 --> 00:30:56,066 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is such an untraditional quarterback and so dynamic 571 00:30:56,106 --> 00:30:58,466 Speaker 1: and valuable to his team and what he does, that 572 00:30:58,946 --> 00:31:01,346 Speaker 1: a metric like QBR isn't going to be the best 573 00:31:01,386 --> 00:31:04,106 Speaker 1: assessment of who he is and what he does. I 574 00:31:04,106 --> 00:31:05,906 Speaker 1: don't know what we would have done without gool Goal 575 00:31:05,986 --> 00:31:07,906 Speaker 1: back in the day doing this podcast, but what I 576 00:31:07,946 --> 00:31:11,106 Speaker 1: will say is Lamar jackson m v P season was 577 00:31:11,266 --> 00:31:15,666 Speaker 1: third in passer rating, So you're right, still not number 578 00:31:15,706 --> 00:31:18,386 Speaker 1: one though, for what it's worth, in that metric and 579 00:31:18,466 --> 00:31:21,026 Speaker 1: still an m v P type season, although three, you know, 580 00:31:21,146 --> 00:31:23,226 Speaker 1: we're kind of scratching the service and knocking on the 581 00:31:23,306 --> 00:31:25,866 Speaker 1: door to be that top guy. But the results were 582 00:31:25,906 --> 00:31:28,586 Speaker 1: there with victories, and he means so much to his 583 00:31:28,626 --> 00:31:33,626 Speaker 1: football team, So I'm with you. Uhm, it's fascinating. I 584 00:31:33,706 --> 00:31:36,586 Speaker 1: still like the metrics though, because I still think you 585 00:31:36,626 --> 00:31:40,466 Speaker 1: need something holistically to give context to what we're seeing 586 00:31:40,506 --> 00:31:42,826 Speaker 1: at that position well, and I think that people always 587 00:31:42,906 --> 00:31:47,946 Speaker 1: like to have something to judge or as you said, 588 00:31:48,066 --> 00:31:51,226 Speaker 1: rank people by, and so until we come up with 589 00:31:51,266 --> 00:31:54,786 Speaker 1: a better formula, I think that this is what we have, 590 00:31:54,986 --> 00:31:58,186 Speaker 1: and it's fair as to people who do radio a 591 00:31:58,186 --> 00:32:01,626 Speaker 1: whole lot, we need things like pastor rating to give 592 00:32:01,666 --> 00:32:04,386 Speaker 1: us some fodder. It's funny you say that because I 593 00:32:04,426 --> 00:32:06,946 Speaker 1: do my best not to include stats. I feel like 594 00:32:07,226 --> 00:32:12,026 Speaker 1: storytelling is uh numbers. Sometimes I get lost in the numbers, 595 00:32:12,226 --> 00:32:14,546 Speaker 1: and I know what my eye tells me passes the 596 00:32:14,586 --> 00:32:17,546 Speaker 1: eye test or not. Is Joe Burrow playing well? Heck yeah, 597 00:32:17,706 --> 00:32:19,546 Speaker 1: is he hot right now? I don't need to know 598 00:32:19,586 --> 00:32:22,586 Speaker 1: what his passer rating is. Is Aaron Rodgers a guy 599 00:32:22,626 --> 00:32:25,866 Speaker 1: I trust? With forty seconds left in the game, he 600 00:32:26,066 --> 00:32:29,146 Speaker 1: is somebody I trust, whatever his passerrating is for the 601 00:32:29,226 --> 00:32:33,706 Speaker 1: day or not, and when's matter super Bowl victories, I'm 602 00:32:33,746 --> 00:32:38,106 Speaker 1: never really worried about Tom Brady's passer rating. Well, we're 603 00:32:38,146 --> 00:32:40,506 Speaker 1: gearing up to all of that, right, and we'll see 604 00:32:40,546 --> 00:32:43,106 Speaker 1: which of these quarterbacks is going to end up in 605 00:32:43,306 --> 00:32:46,026 Speaker 1: l A pretty soon. Mike. It's been a fun season, 606 00:32:46,146 --> 00:32:48,586 Speaker 1: that's for sure. It has been awesome, and I hope 607 00:32:48,626 --> 00:32:50,866 Speaker 1: people learned a little bit of something something here when 608 00:32:50,906 --> 00:32:53,826 Speaker 1: it comes to passer rating in quarterbacks. That's right. Thank 609 00:32:53,866 --> 00:32:57,306 Speaker 1: you everybody for joining us, message us your questions, and 610 00:32:57,586 --> 00:33:08,626 Speaker 1: that is quarterback rating explained. 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